Australia to see worse drought thanks to intensifying El Niño
14 October 2013, 6.28am AEST

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Intensifying El El Nino thanks to climate change will see lower rainfall over Australia. Flickr/AndyRobertsPhotos

Compiled in collaboration with Australian Science Media Centre.

New research by the Bureau of Meteorology – published shows El Niño will intensify between 2050 and 2100 thanks to climate change.

El Niño is a complex interaction between air and sea in the tropical Pacific which controls many of our weather patterns. The findings show that eastern Australia will see worse droughts, while the central and eastern Pacific will see increased rainfall.

During an El Niño – properly known as El Niño-Southern Oscillation or ENSO – parts of the central and eastern Pacific Ocean warm more than usual, while the seas off eastern Australia cool. As warm water produces more moisture, the eastern and central Pacific see increased rainfall, while Australia experiences lower-than-average rainfall or drought.

Australia last saw a weak El Niño event over 2009-2010. The previous strong El Niño was 1997-1998.

El Niño’s partner in crime – La Niña – is known for causing opposite effects. The summer of 2010-2011 was one of the strongest La Niña events on record, reflected in rainfall records across eastern Australia, and floods and cyclones in Queensland.

The researchers used four different climate models and found strong agreement between them for decreasing rainfall in eastern Australia.

Currently the Bureau of Meteorology is forecasting neutral El Niño conditions for the remainder of spring and summer.

Dr Scott Power from the Bureau, lead researcher on the paper, told the Australian Science Media Centre that continued global warming has the power to disrupt El Niño and its impacts.

“Until now, there has been great uncertainty about the way in which ENSO [El Niño] might actually change in response to global warming – despite scientists investigating the issue for more than two decades.

“Using the world’s latest generation of climate models we discovered a consistent projection for the future of ENSO. Consistency across models increases confidence in the projections they display.

“Projections produced by the models indicate that global warming interferes with the impact that El Niño sea-surface temperature patterns have on rainfall. This interference causes an intensification of El Niño-driven drying in the western Pacific and rainfall increases in the central and eastern equatorial Pacific.

“The future of ENSO and the disruption it causes to the climate of the earth, its people and its ecosystems are clearer now than ever before.”

Dr Wenju Chai from CSIRO, who did not contribute to the research, said that the paper is significant in that there is a stronger agreement between different climate models in predicting the future impact of El Niño.

“Up until now, there has been a lack of agreement among computer models as to how ENSO will change in the future.”

“During El Niño, Western Pacific countries (Australasia, including Australia) experience unusually low rainfall, while the eastern equatorial Pacific receives more rainfall than usual. This study finds that both the wet and dry anomalies will be greater in future El Niño years. This means that ENSO-induced drought and floods will be more intense in the future.”

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Wow, Australia to have drought. Affected by the el nino no doubt. Affected by climate change no doubt.

What affects climate change. lol um ahh, well if we buy insurance, then it would be co2.

No, just buy the insurance and shut up.

Drought!.......drought!......Australia......never!

The rainy period that will last for about 7 years is due some time soon.

Here in Sydney we'll be flooded out.

The drought in Sydney has lasted several years now, and we're currently experiencing one of the longest drought in living memory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

For the sake of sanity, not peer reviewed of course as we know all about that corrupted little process.....a serious debunking of the nonsense of the OP courtesy of Bob Tisdale

( I love reading the alarmist nonsense and then, usually just 24-48hrs later a wholesome dissection appears somewhere to uncover the dirty disingenuous little tricks they use to maintain their generous salaries and funding grants all of which have come out of the wallets and pay cheques of you and me, ordinary tax paying Aussies who deserve so much more)

http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2013/10/14/will-global-warming-increase-the-intensity-of-el-nino/


CLOSING

It seems as though Power et al. (2013) went in search of some small portion, any small portion, of ENSO that climate models appeared to simulate correctly and then published the typical climate science paper that generates alarmist nonsense in newspaper articles.

When data contradict models in most scientific and engineering endeavors, the modelers rework the models.  Not in climate science.  In climate science, the climate scientists/modelers simply proclaim the findings of the fatally flawed models more often and with greater certainty, without revealing the model flaws.  (Thus, the IPCC’s 5th Assessment Report.)

The love of field and coppice,
Of green and shaded lanes.
Of ordered woods and gardens
Is running in your veins,
Strong love of grey-blue distance
Brown streams and soft dim skies
I know but cannot share it,
My love is otherwise.

I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror -
The wide brown land for me!

A stark white ring-barked forest
All tragic to the moon,
The sapphire-misted mountains,
The hot gold hush of noon.
Green tangle of the brushes,
Where lithe lianas coil,
And orchids deck the tree-tops
And ferns the warm dark soil.

Core of my heart, my country!
Her pitiless blue sky,
When sick at heart, around us,
We see the cattle die -
But then the grey clouds gather,
And we can bless again
The drumming of an army,
The steady, soaking rain.

Core of my heart, my country!
Land of the Rainbow Gold,
For flood and fire and famine,
She pays us back threefold -
Over the thirsty paddocks,
Watch, after many days,
The filmy veil of greenness
That thickens as we gaze.

An opal-hearted country,
A wilful, lavish land -
All you who have not loved her,
You will not understand -
Though earth holds many splendours,
Wherever I may die,
I know to what brown country
My homing thoughts will fly.


Dorothea Mackellar (1907)

RUBBISH!

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

Australia to see worse drought thanks to intensifying El Niño 14 October 2013, 6.28am AEST https://c479107.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/32881/wide_article/width926x450/9d2twgny-1381471333.jpg Intensifying El El Nino thanks to climate change will see lower rainfall over Australia. Flickr/AndyRobertsPhotos Compiled in collaboration with Australian Science Media Centre. New research by the Bureau of Meteorology – published shows El Niño will intensify between 2050 and 2100 thanks to climate change. El Niño is a complex interaction between air and sea in the tropical Pacific which controls many of our weather patterns. The findings show that eastern Australia will see worse droughts, while the central and eastern Pacific will see increased rainfall. During an El Niño – properly known as El Niño-Southern Oscillation or ENSO – parts of the central and eastern Pacific Ocean warm more than usual, while the seas off eastern Australia cool. As warm water produces more moisture, the eastern and central Pacific see increased rainfall, while Australia experiences lower-than-average rainfall or drought. Australia last saw a weak El Niño event over 2009-2010. The previous strong El Niño was 1997-1998. El Niño’s partner in crime – La Niña – is known for causing opposite effects. The summer of 2010-2011 was one of the strongest La Niña events on record, reflected in rainfall records across eastern Australia, and floods and cyclones in Queensland. The researchers used four different climate models and found strong agreement between them for decreasing rainfall in eastern Australia. Currently the Bureau of Meteorology is forecasting neutral El Niño conditions for the remainder of spring and summer. Dr Scott Power from the Bureau, lead researcher on the paper, told the Australian Science Media Centre that continued global warming has the power to disrupt El Niño and its impacts. “Until now, there has been great uncertainty about the way in which ENSO [El Niño] might actually change in response to global warming – despite scientists investigating the issue for more than two decades. “Using the world’s latest generation of climate models we discovered a consistent projection for the future of ENSO. Consistency across models increases confidence in the projections they display. “Projections produced by the models indicate that global warming interferes with the impact that El Niño sea-surface temperature patterns have on rainfall. This interference causes an intensification of El Niño-driven drying in the western Pacific and rainfall increases in the central and eastern equatorial Pacific. “The future of ENSO and the disruption it causes to the climate of the earth, its people and its ecosystems are clearer now than ever before.” Dr Wenju Chai from CSIRO, who did not contribute to the research, said that the paper is significant in that there is a stronger agreement between different climate models in predicting the future impact of El Niño. “Up until now, there has been a lack of agreement among computer models as to how ENSO will change in the future.” “During El Niño, Western Pacific countries (Australasia, including Australia) experience unusually low rainfall, while the eastern equatorial Pacific receives more rainfall than usual. This study finds that both the wet and dry anomalies will be greater in future El Niño years. This means that ENSO-induced drought and floods will be more intense in the future.”

The BOM has difficulty in getting tomorrows weather forecast right let alone weather patterns 50 years away.
They should do themselves a real favour and stay away from the soothsaying business.
Leave that one to the druids.

Rider wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:50am:

... debunking of the nonsense of the OP courtesy of Bob Tisdale ...

I don't run in denialist circles, so Tisdale's a new nutjob for me. A quick search turned up a mention on The Conversation

Quote:

... Bob Tisdale, a man who has no science credentials, no publications of note, and has no understanding of statistical analysis.

and one on uknowispeaksense

Quote:

Bob is only interested in selling books. Books don’t require peer review and genuinely only require the conversion of his “uncritical adulation” into money. He won’t contact Hansen because deep down he knows Hansen can quickly disavow him of any notions that he is somehow an equal in the understanding of the climate. No, Bob is one of those shady characters who probably knows he is full of poo and will say anything for expediency and to sell books to his sycophantic idiotic followers.

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Wow, talk about you big guns.  ::)

# wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 8:31pm:

Rider wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:50am: ... debunking of the nonsense of the OP courtesy of Bob Tisdale ... I don't run in denialist circles, so Tisdale's a new nutjob for me. A quick search turned up a mention on The Conversation Quote: ... Bob Tisdale, a man who has no science credentials, no publications of note, and has no understanding of statistical analysis. and one on uknowispeaksense [quote]Bob is only interested in selling books. Books don’t require peer review and genuinely only require the conversion of his “uncritical adulation” into money. He won’t contact Hansen because deep down he knows Hansen can quickly disavow him of any notions that he is somehow an equal in the understanding of the climate. No, Bob is one of those shady characters who probably knows he is full of poo and will say anything for expediency and to sell books to his sycophantic idiotic followers.

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Wow, talk about you big guns.  ::)[/quote]

well of course you would  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The worlds largest Carbon emitter per capita, Australia, will be the hardest hit in the OECD by AGW and its effects.

Cant escape karma.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 8:40pm:

The worlds largest Carbon emitter per capita, Australia, will be the hardest hit in the OECD by AGW and its effects. Cant escape karma.

So why are you losing sleep over it?

I think its time to invest in some property in the south west corner of New Zealand

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 8:40pm:

The worlds largest Carbon emitter per capita, Australia, will be the hardest hit in the OECD by AGW and its effects. Cant escape karma.

Australia only emits 1.5% of all manmade CO2 emissions.

All the coal fired power stations that were built in China last couple of years emit more CO2 than Australia as a whole.

If Australia stopped CO2 emissions right now today.

It wouldn't even make a difference by the end of this financial year.

That's how much Australian emissions are...???

On the ladder we're about 15th in the world, we're not even in the top ten.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 8:44pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 8:40pm: The worlds largest Carbon emitter per capita, Australia, will be the hardest hit in the OECD by AGW and its effects. Cant escape karma. So why are you losing sleep over it?

Compulsive troll, aren't you young wanker*?

*
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

... I'm not adverse to onanism ...

Ajax wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 8:15am:

... Australia only emits 1.5% of all manmade CO2 emissions. ...

Is that an excuse to evade our responsibility?

# wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Ajax wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 8:15am: ... Australia only emits 1.5% of all manmade CO2 emissions. ... Is that an excuse to evade our responsibility?

So exporting coal is irresponsible...so is that why Labs and Libs regardless of whether one had a carbon tax or not increased coal exports?

# wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Ajax wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 8:15am: ... Australia only emits 1.5% of all manmade CO2 emissions. ... Is that an excuse to evade our responsibility?

If it means we have to spend billions of dollars to get an unreasonable outcome then YES...!!!

Have a look at Australias contribution to the supposed warming in accordance with IPCC findings....?????

http://youtu.be/Zw5Lda06iK0

# wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Ajax wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 8:15am: ... Australia only emits 1.5% of all manmade CO2 emissions. ... Is that an excuse to evade our responsibility?

namnugenot wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 1:14pm:

... So exporting coal is irresponsible...

Indeed.
namnugenot wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 1:14pm:

... so is that why Labs and Libs regardless of whether one had a carbon tax or not increased coal exports?

That, you'll need to ask them.


Ajax wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 9:43pm:

... If it means we have to spend billions of dollars to get an unreasonable outcome then YES...!!!

On that, we'll have to agree to disagree. I reckon every nation must do its share, no matter how small.

Ajax wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 9:43pm:

Have a look at Australias contribution to the supposed warming in accordance with IPCC findings....?????

Irrelevant. See above.

viewpoint wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:36pm:

Drought!.......drought!......Australia......never!

No, never.

And certainly not "worse".

Things never get worse: they always stay just the same.

That's how it's been for millions of years.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEEPmGC_18g

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 7:14pm:

viewpoint wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 7:36pm: Drought!.......drought!......Australia......never! No, never. And certainly not "worse". Things never get worse: they always stay just the same. That's how it's been for millions of years. ...

Still trolling, young wanker*.

*
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

... I'm not adverse to onanism ...

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 8:59am:

The BOM has difficulty in getting tomorrows weather forecast right let alone weather patterns 50 years away.

True, however, seeing as it's 50 years away they'll call it "climate".

"It's not a weather forecast, it's a climate prediction".    ;D

You gotta watch these sly little alarmists.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 8:32am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 8:59am: The BOM has difficulty in getting tomorrows weather forecast right let alone weather patterns 50 years away. True, however, seeing as it's 50 years away they'll call it "climate". "It's not a weather forecast, it's a climate prediction".    ;D You gotta watch these sly little alarmists.

That would be your opinion, based on ignorance and ego, right, young wanker*?

*
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

... I'm not adverse to onanism ...

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:46pm:

The rainy period that will last for about 7 years is due some time soon. Here in Sydney we'll be flooded out. The drought in Sydney has lasted several years now, and we're currently experiencing one of the longest drought in living memory.

It's difficult to forecast short term events like that.  It would be nice if we got some rain this year here too, although what we got earlier this year was a bit over the top. 800mm in 24 hours

# wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 8:22am:

Still trolling, young wanker*.

I don't tolerate personal insults from anybody here. Please stick to the argument. No more Ad homs.

# wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 6:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 8:32am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 8:59am: The BOM has difficulty in getting tomorrows weather forecast right let alone weather patterns 50 years away. True, however, seeing as it's 50 years away they'll call it "climate". "It's not a weather forecast, it's a climate prediction".    ;D You gotta watch these sly little alarmists. That would be your opinion, based on ignorance and ego, right ...

No, that would be my opinion based on close observation of the alarmists' "argument" in this forum.

They have a knack of employing different terms at different times in order to back pedal their way out of difficult situations.

" it's not climate, it's weather ... it's not AGW, it's climate change ... it's not weather, it's climate ... it's not cooling, it's a weather event ... " etc. etc. etc. etc.

And, when that fails, they resort to personal insults.

All too predictable, I'm afraid.

There is a major difference between predicting the mean global temperature for 2080-2100 and predicting whether it's going to rain in Chatsworth next Wednesday morning.

They are chalk and cheese.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 7:14pm:

viewpoint wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 7:36pm: Drought!.......drought!......Australia......never! No, never. And certainly not "worse". Things never get worse: they always stay just the same. That's how it's been for millions of years.

Really? They stay the same over millions of years?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/IceAgeEarth.jpg/450px-IceAgeEarth.jpg

muso wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 8:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20th, 2013 at 7:14pm: viewpoint wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 7:36pm: Drought!.......drought!......Australia......never! No, never. And certainly not "worse". Things never get worse: they always stay just the same. That's how it's been for millions of years. Really? They stay the same over millions of years? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/IceAgeEarth.jpg/450px-IceAgeEarth.jpg

"sarcasm: a sharply ironical taunt"

::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 8:55am:

muso wrote on Oct 25th, 2013 at 8:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20th, 2013 at 7:14pm: viewpoint wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 7:36pm: Drought!.......drought!......Australia......never! No, never. And certainly not "worse". Things never get worse: they always stay just the same. That's how it's been for millions of years. Really? They stay the same over millions of years? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/IceAgeEarth.jpg/450px-IceAgeEarth.jpg "sarcasm: a sharply ironical taunt" ...

sarcasm
Quote:

the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really want to say especially in order to insult someone, to show irritation, or to be funny

Effective sarcasm relies on skill, knowledge and intelligence. Your want of the last precludes the penultimate, but practice should have developed in you the first. Remarkably, you fail all three.


Quote:

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

Australia to see worse drought thanks to intensifying El Niño 14 October 2013, 6.28am AEST https://c479107.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/32881/wide_article/width926x450/9d2twgny-1381471333.jpg Intensifying El El Nino thanks to climate change will see lower rainfall over Australia. Flickr/AndyRobertsPhotos Compiled in collaboration with Australian Science Media Centre. New research by the Bureau of Meteorology – published shows El Niño will intensify between 2050 and 2100 thanks to climate change. El Niño is a complex interaction between air and sea in the tropical Pacific which controls many of our weather patterns. The findings show that eastern Australia will see worse droughts, while the central and eastern Pacific will see increased rainfall. During an El Niño – properly known as El Niño-Southern Oscillation or ENSO – parts of the central and eastern Pacific Ocean warm more than usual, while the seas off eastern Australia cool. As warm water produces more moisture, the eastern and central Pacific see increased rainfall, while Australia experiences lower-than-average rainfall or drought. Australia last saw a weak El Niño event over 2009-2010. The previous strong El Niño was 1997-1998. El Niño’s partner in crime – La Niña – is known for causing opposite effects. The summer of 2010-2011 was one of the strongest La Niña events on record, reflected in rainfall records across eastern Australia, and floods and cyclones in Queensland. The researchers used four different climate models and found strong agreement between them for decreasing rainfall in eastern Australia. Currently the Bureau of Meteorology is forecasting neutral El Niño conditions for the remainder of spring and summer. Dr Scott Power from the Bureau, lead researcher on the paper, told the Australian Science Media Centre that continued global warming has the power to disrupt El Niño and its impacts. “Until now, there has been great uncertainty about the way in which ENSO [El Niño] might actually change in response to global warming – despite scientists investigating the issue for more than two decades. “Using the world’s latest generation of climate models we discovered a consistent projection for the future of ENSO. Consistency across models increases confidence in the projections they display. “Projections produced by the models indicate that global warming interferes with the impact that El Niño sea-surface temperature patterns have on rainfall. This interference causes an intensification of El Niño-driven drying in the western Pacific and rainfall increases in the central and eastern equatorial Pacific. “The future of ENSO and the disruption it causes to the climate of the earth, its people and its ecosystems are clearer now than ever before.” Dr Wenju Chai from CSIRO, who did not contribute to the research, said that the paper is significant in that there is a stronger agreement between different climate models in predicting the future impact of El Niño. “Up until now, there has been a lack of agreement among computer models as to how ENSO will change in the future.” “During El Niño, Western Pacific countries (Australasia, including Australia) experience unusually low rainfall, while the eastern equatorial Pacific receives more rainfall than usual. This study finds that both the wet and dry anomalies will be greater in future El Niño years. This means that ENSO-induced drought and floods will be more intense in the future.”

When has Australia known any different.....????

Have you ever seen an Australia that didn't have some sort of phenomenon going on.....????

Ajax wrote on Oct 26^th, 2013 at 4:09pm:

# wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 7:13pm: Australia to see worse drought thanks to intensifying El Niño 14 October 2013, 6.28am AEST https://c479107.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/32881/wide_article/width926x450/9d2twgny-1381471333.jpg Intensifying El El Nino thanks to climate change will see lower rainfall over Australia. Flickr/AndyRobertsPhotos Compiled in collaboration with Australian Science Media Centre. New research by the Bureau of Meteorology – published shows El Niño will intensify between 2050 and 2100 thanks to climate change. El Niño is a complex interaction between air and sea in the tropical Pacific which controls many of our weather patterns. The findings show that eastern Australia will see worse droughts, while the central and eastern Pacific will see increased rainfall. During an El Niño – properly known as El Niño-Southern Oscillation or ENSO – parts of the central and eastern Pacific Ocean warm more than usual, while the seas off eastern Australia cool. As warm water produces more moisture, the eastern and central Pacific see increased rainfall, while Australia experiences lower-than-average rainfall or drought. ... When has Australia known any different.....???? Have you ever seen an Australia that didn't have some sort of phenomenon going on.....????

So, in your expert opinion, global warming has no impact on ENSO?

# wrote on Oct 26^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

Effective sarcasm relies on skill, knowledge and intelligence.

Which is exactly why you don't understand it.

Don't feel too bad.

# wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 7:27pm:

Ajax wrote on Oct 26th, 2013 at 4:09pm: # wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 7:13pm: Australia to see worse drought thanks to intensifying El Niño 14 October 2013, 6.28am AEST https://c479107.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/32881/wide_article/width926x450/9d2twgny-1381471333.jpg Intensifying El El Nino thanks to climate change will see lower rainfall over Australia. Flickr/AndyRobertsPhotos Compiled in collaboration with Australian Science Media Centre. New research by the Bureau of Meteorology – published shows El Niño will intensify between 2050 and 2100 thanks to climate change. El Niño is a complex interaction between air and sea in the tropical Pacific which controls many of our weather patterns. The findings show that eastern Australia will see worse droughts, while the central and eastern Pacific will see increased rainfall. During an El Niño – properly known as El Niño-Southern Oscillation or ENSO – parts of the central and eastern Pacific Ocean warm more than usual, while the seas off eastern Australia cool. As warm water produces more moisture, the eastern and central Pacific see increased rainfall, while Australia experiences lower-than-average rainfall or drought. ... When has Australia known any different.....???? Have you ever seen an Australia that didn't have some sort of phenomenon going on.....???? So, in your expert opinion, global warming has no impact on ENSO?

Show me the evidence that manmade CO2 emissions are responsible for all the warming in the last 60 years.

I'll like to see that.................?????

Then show me how this warming would effect ENSO.

Crystal ball science doesn't count...............!!!!!

Ajax wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

# wrote on Oct 28th, 2013 at 7:27pm: Ajax wrote on Oct 26th, 2013 at 4:09pm: # wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 7:13pm: Australia to see worse drought thanks to intensifying El Niño 14 October 2013, 6.28am AEST https://c479107.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/32881/wide_article/width926x450/9d2twgny-1381471333.jpg Intensifying El El Nino thanks to climate change will see lower rainfall over Australia. Flickr/AndyRobertsPhotos Compiled in collaboration with Australian Science Media Centre. New research by the Bureau of Meteorology – published shows El Niño will intensify between 2050 and 2100 thanks to climate change. El Niño is a complex interaction between air and sea in the tropical Pacific which controls many of our weather patterns. The findings show that eastern Australia will see worse droughts, while the central and eastern Pacific will see increased rainfall. During an El Niño – properly known as El Niño-Southern Oscillation or ENSO – parts of the central and eastern Pacific Ocean warm more than usual, while the seas off eastern Australia cool. As warm water produces more moisture, the eastern and central Pacific see increased rainfall, while Australia experiences lower-than-average rainfall or drought. ... When has Australia known any different.....???? Have you ever seen an Australia that didn't have some sort of phenomenon going on.....???? So, in your expert opinion, global warming has no impact on ENSO? Show me the evidence that manmade CO2 emissions are responsible for all the warming in the last 60 years. ...

I'll take that as acknowledgement that global warming does affect ENSO.

As for the other, well, I accept the opinion of the vast majority of the best qualified (plus, as far as I know, every scientific body on the planet). I'm not fool enough to think I know better.

# wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Ajax wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 8:15am: ... Australia only emits 1.5% of all manmade CO2 emissions. ... Is that an excuse to evade our responsibility?

No, that’s the reason that no matter what we do we are doomed.

# wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 3:09pm:

I'll take that as acknowledgement that global warming does affect ENSO.

Would you like me to talk in chinesse, how you can come to that conclusion is beyond me, maybe you cannot back up your answer and opted for the easy way out.


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As for the other, well, I accept the opinion of the vast majority of the best qualified (plus, as far as I know, every scientific body on the planet). I'm not fool enough to think I know better.

You mean like Michael Mann who conveniently forgot the medieval warm period and the mini ice age.

OR

The IPCC who's computer circulation models predicted unequivocally that we would have 0.2 degree celcius warming per decade.

But for the last 15 years we have only has 0.05 degree celcius warming per decade.

And the IPCC being flabbergast by these results made up all manner of excuses....like the missing heat is in the deep oceans.

Well the Argo system has operating since 2002 and it couldn't find any heat.

While all the disciples argued that the missing heat did go into the deep layers of the ocean.

And then bam in AR5 the IPCC said the missing heat is in the top layers of the ocean.

Leaving those disciples that didn't question the IPCC's science and just argued that they were right with egg on their faces about the missing heat in the deep oceans.

These are the experts that you listen too.

Who told us that there would be no glaciers left by 2035.

Or no ice in the arctic by 2013.

Or that there was a hot spot in the tropopause that satellites and radiosonde data have failed to verify in real world observations.


Or that sea levels are rising at an alarming rate.

# lucky for you folks that take the science on faith, you have the skeptics that scrutinise every word that comes out of the IPCC mouth.

Otherwise by now they would have had the faithful praying to gaia for salvation............!!!!!

FriYAY wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

# wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 1:04pm: Ajax wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 8:15am: ... Australia only emits 1.5% of all manmade CO2 emissions. ... Is that an excuse to evade our responsibility? No, that’s the reason that no matter what we do we are doomed.

What does doing nothing achieve, apart from ensuring the fulfilment of your prophecy?

# wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 3:02pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 29th, 2013 at 3:52pm: # wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 1:04pm: Ajax wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 8:15am: ... Australia only emits 1.5% of all manmade CO2 emissions. ... Is that an excuse to evade our responsibility? No, that’s the reason that no matter what we do we are doomed. What does doing nothing achieve, apart from ensuring the fulfilment of your prophecy?

Whether Australia does anything or not....!!!!

Will not make any difference to manmade CO2 emissions and the build up of CO2 on a global scale.

It will not make any difference in the forcing that CO2 is suppose to create either.

Therefore why spend billions of dollars for no net result.

BTW did you see Milne on tv today she is now calling for a 15% carbon reduction by 2020.

Thank goodness the libs are in power....!!!!

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 7:30pm:

# wrote on Oct 26th, 2013 at 3:15pm: Effective sarcasm relies on skill, knowledge and intelligence. ... Don't feel too bad.

Had you paid attention in school, you might have learned enough to manage effective sarcasm. Perhaps if you'd resisted the urge to keep at least one hand under the desk top* at all times?

*
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

... I'm not adverse to onanism ...

Ajax wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 8:53am:

# wrote on Oct 29th, 2013 at 3:09pm: I'll take that as acknowledgement that global warming does affect ENSO. ... how you can come to that conclusion is beyond me,

Easy.


# wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 7:27pm:

... So, in your expert opinion, global warming has no impact on ENSO?

Ajax wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

... Show me the evidence that manmade CO2 emissions are responsible for all the warming in the last 60 years. ...

Your response evaded the question. The obvious inference is that you wanted to avoid voicing an inconvenient truth. The obvious inconvenient truth is that global warming impacts ENSO.

# wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 3:02pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 29th, 2013 at 3:52pm: # wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 1:04pm: Ajax wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 8:15am: ... Australia only emits 1.5% of all manmade CO2 emissions. ... Is that an excuse to evade our responsibility? No, that’s the reason that no matter what we do we are doomed. What does doing nothing achieve, apart from ensuring the fulfilment of your prophecy?

Own the net

Ajax wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

... Then show me how this warming would effect ENSO. ...

I don't claim to know the science. On the evidence of your performance here, you're even less capable of comprehending the mechanisms than I am.
ENSO and global warming
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During the last several decades, the number of El Niño events increased, and the number of La Niña events decreased, although observation of ENSO for much longer is needed to detect robust changes. The question is whether this is a random fluctuation or a normal instance of variation for that phenomenon or the result of global climate changes toward global warming. The studies of historical data show the recent El Niño variation is most likely linked to global warming. For example, one of the most recent results, even after subtracting the positive influence of decadal variation, is shown to be possibly present in the ENSO trend, the amplitude of the ENSO variability in the observed data still increases, by as much as 60% in the last 50 years. The exact changes happening to ENSO in the future is uncertain: Different models make different predictions. It may be that the observed phenomenon of more frequent and stronger El Niño events occurs only in the initial phase of the global warming, and then (e.g., after the lower layers of the ocean get warmer, as well), El Niño will become whttp://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/url.gifeaker than it was. It may also be that the stabilizing and destabilizing forces influencing the phenomenon will eventually compensate for each other. More research is needed to provide a better answer to that question. The ENSO is considered to be a potential tipping element in Earth's climate.

Global warming will increase intensity of El Nino, scientists say
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Scientists say they are more certain than ever about the impact of global warming on a critical weather pattern. The El Nino-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) occurs in the Pacific Ocean but plays an important part in the world's climate system. Researchers have until now been unsure as to how rising temperatures would affect ENSO in the future. But this new study suggests that droughts and floods driven by ENSO will be more intense

Global Warming May Worsen Effects of El Niño, La Niña Events
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“Due to a warmer and moister atmosphere,” said co-author Baylor Fox-Kemper, of the University of Colorado in a press release, “the impacts of El Niño are changing even though El Niño itself doesn’t change.”

Ajax wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 8:53am:

... Would you like me to talk in chinesse, ...

Would you be less irrational in another language?

# wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 6:37am:

Ajax wrote on Oct 29th, 2013 at 8:26am: ... Then show me how this warming would effect ENSO. ... I don't claim to know the science. On the evidence of your performance here, you're even less capable of comprehending the mechanisms than I am. ENSO and global warming Quote: During the last several decades, the number of El Niño events increased, and the number of La Niña events decreased, although observation of ENSO for much longer is needed to detect robust changes. The question is whether this is a random fluctuation or a normal instance of variation for that phenomenon or the result of global climate changes toward global warming. The studies of historical data show the recent El Niño variation is most likely linked to global warming. For example, one of the most recent results, even after subtracting the positive influence of decadal variation, is shown to be possibly present in the ENSO trend, the amplitude of the ENSO variability in the observed data still increases, by as much as 60% in the last 50 years. The exact changes happening to ENSO in the future is uncertain: Different models make different predictions. It may be that the observed phenomenon of more frequent and stronger El Niño events occurs only in the initial phase of the global warming, and then (e.g., after the lower layers of the ocean get warmer, as well), El Niño will become whttp://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/url.gifeaker than it was. It may also be that the stabilizing and destabilizing forces influencing the phenomenon will eventually compensate for each other. More research is needed to provide a better answer to that question. The ENSO is considered to be a potential tipping element in Earth's climate. Global warming will increase intensity of El Nino, scientists say[quote]Scientists say they are more certain than ever about the impact of global warming on a critical weather pattern. The El Nino-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) occurs in the Pacific Ocean but plays an important part in the world's climate system. Researchers have until now been unsure as to how rising temperatures would affect ENSO in the future. But this new study suggests that droughts and floods driven by ENSO will be more intense

Global Warming May Worsen Effects of El Niño, La Niña Events
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“Due to a warmer and moister atmosphere,” said co-author Baylor Fox-Kemper, of the University of Colorado in a press release, “the impacts of El Niño are changing even though El Niño itself doesn’t change.”

Ajax wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 8:53am:

... Would you like me to talk in chinesse, ...

Would you be less irrational in another language?[/quote]

Sorry dude but Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information when it comes to talking about the actual science and nature of things.

Maybe useful as a reference but nothing more.

Do you think the climate models of the CSIRO are any better than the climate models of the IPCC.....???

The majority of climate models around the world have about the same ability in predicting the future temperature and its affects.

I have not heard one being superior to another.

And we all know that anything coming out of computer climate models is crystal ball stuff at the very best.

Nice try but i'm afraid another fail.......!!!!

Will Global Warming Increase the Intensity of El Niño?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/15/will-global-warming-increase-the-intensity-of-el-nino/

Ajax wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 7:53am:

# wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 6:37am: Ajax wrote on Oct 29th, 2013 at 8:26am: ... Then show me how this warming would effect ENSO. ... I don't claim to know the science. On the evidence of your performance here, you're even less capable of comprehending the mechanisms than I am. ENSO and global warming Quote: During the last several decades, the number of El Niño events increased, and the number of La Niña events decreased, although observation of ENSO for much longer is needed to detect robust changes. The question is whether this is a random fluctuation or a normal instance of variation for that phenomenon or the result of global climate changes toward global warming. The studies of historical data show the recent El Niño variation is most likely linked to global warming. For example, one of the most recent results, even after subtracting the positive influence of decadal variation, is shown to be possibly present in the ENSO trend, the amplitude of the ENSO variability in the observed data still increases, by as much as 60% in the last 50 years. The exact changes happening to ENSO in the future is uncertain: Different models make different predictions. It may be that the observed phenomenon of more frequent and stronger El Niño events occurs only in the initial phase of the global warming, and then (e.g., after the lower layers of the ocean get warmer, as well), El Niño will become whttp://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/url.gifeaker than it was. It may also be that the stabilizing and destabilizing forces influencing the phenomenon will eventually compensate for each other. More research is needed to provide a better answer to that question. The ENSO is considered to be a potential tipping element in Earth's climate. Global warming will increase intensity of El Nino, scientists say[quote]Scientists say they are more certain than ever about the impact of global warming on a critical weather pattern. The El Nino-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) occurs in the Pacific Ocean but plays an important part in the world's climate system. Researchers have until now been unsure as to how rising temperatures would affect ENSO in the future. But this new study suggests that droughts and floods driven by ENSO will be more intense Global Warming May Worsen Effects of El Niño, La Niña Events[quote]“Due to a warmer and moister atmosphere,” said co-author Baylor Fox-Kemper, of the University of Colorado in a press release, “the impacts of El Niño are changing even though El Niño itself doesn’t change.”

Ajax wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 8:53am:

... Would you like me to talk in chinesse, ...

Would you be less irrational in another language?[/quote]

Sorry dude but Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information when it comes to talking about the actual science and nature of things.

Maybe useful as a reference but nothing more.[/quote]You ignore all links but Wikipedia, thus tacitly acknowledging their accuracy.


Ajax wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 7:53am:

Do you think the climate models of the CSIRO are any better than the climate models of the IPCC.....???

I'm no better qualified to judge than you are.


Ajax wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 7:53am:

The majority of climate models around the world have about the same ability in predicting the future temperature and its affects. I have not heard one being superior to another. And we all know that anything coming out of computer climate models is crystal ball stuff at the very best.

You can't substantiate any of that, can you?


Ajax wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 7:53am:

Nice try but i'm afraid another fail.......!!!!

Given your tacit acceptance of the majority of links, your assertion is irrational.


Ajax wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 7:53am:

Denialist link elided.

Evidently, changing languages will not make you any less irrational.

# wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 8:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 28th, 2013 at 7:30pm: # wrote on Oct 26th, 2013 at 3:15pm: Effective sarcasm relies on skill, knowledge and intelligence. ... Don't feel too bad. Had I paid attention in school, I might have learned enough to understand effective sarcasm.

Indeed.

# wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 8:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 28th, 2013 at 7:30pm: # wrote on Oct 26th, 2013 at 3:15pm: Effective sarcasm relies on skill, knowledge and intelligence. ... Don't feel too bad. Had you paid attention in school, you might have learned enough to manage effective sarcasm. Perhaps if you'd resisted the urge to keep at least one hand under the desk top* at all times? * greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28th, 2013 at 5:56pm: ... I'm not adverse to onanism ...

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 11:20am:

# wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 28th, 2013 at 7:30pm: # wrote on Oct 26th, 2013 at 3:15pm: Effective sarcasm relies on skill, knowledge and intelligence. ... Don't feel too bad. Had I paid attention in school, I might have learned enough to understand effective sarcasm. Indeed.

What a poor, pathetic wanker is greggerypeccary.

Compulsive troll;
Compulsive liar and;
Compulsive wanker.

# wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 1:13pm:

Indeed.What a poor, pathetic wanker is greggerypeccary. Compulsive troll; Compulsive liar and; Compulsive wanker.

[/quote]



And don't forget Compulsive denier  ;D 

# wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 11:13am:

You ignore all links but Wikipedia, thus tacitly acknowledging their accuracy.

Not at all, I had a quick squiz, and once again its computer circulation models that are spitting out these predictions.

And we all know how accurate they are right.....!!!!!


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I'm no better qualified to judge than you are.

We're both in the same boat, but I bet you have perused anthropogenic Global  Warming papers and I bet if you did get lost in the middle sections where they tell you how they integrated the polynomials with calculus and what not.

I'm sure that by reading the abstract and the conclusion you do understand the bottom line of what they are doing.


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You can't substantiate any of that, can you?

Yes I can with the 1990 predictions of the IPCC computer models which said that we would have 0.2 degree per decade of warming (that's being generous) and we actual had 0.05 degree warming over the last 15 years.

Not to mention that the IPCC scientists themselves actually did say way back in 1995 that the computer models aren't really that accurate and cannot reproduce the earth's climate.

Until the IPCC muzzled them and unequivocally wrote that the models are good.


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Given your tacit acceptance of the majority of links, your assertion is irrational.

Why do you think I waffled on about computer models...???


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Evidently, changing languages will not make you any less irrational.

well since we're both writing English and you still can't understand I thought gibberish might clear things up a bit.... :D ;D :P 8-)

Ajax wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 1:39pm:

... Quote: You can't substantiate any of that, can you? Yes I can with the 1990 predictions of the IPCC computer models which said that we would have 0.2 degree per decade of warming (that's being generous) and we actual had 0.05 degree warming over the last 15 years. Not to mention that the IPCC scientists themselves actually did say way back in 1995 that the computer models aren't really that accurate and cannot reproduce the earth's climate. Until the IPCC muzzled them and unequivocally wrote that the models are good. ...

Assertion is not substantiated by further assertion. You'll need to link to the sources. Credible sources, of course.

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 1:15pm:

# wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 1:13pm: Indeed.What a poor, pathetic wanker is greggerypeccary. Compulsive troll; Compulsive liar and; Compulsive wanker. And don't forget Compulsive denier  ;D

Absolutely!

What a terrible person I am.

Considering that, I wonder why David (#) feels compelled to reply to every single post I make.

I think he's stalking me.

Maybe it's the heat.

# wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 8:45pm:

Ajax wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 1:39pm: ... Quote: You can't substantiate any of that, can you? Yes I can with the 1990 predictions of the IPCC computer models which said that we would have 0.2 degree per decade of warming (that's being generous) and we actual had 0.05 degree warming over the last 15 years. Not to mention that the IPCC scientists themselves actually did say way back in 1995 that the computer models aren't really that accurate and cannot reproduce the earth's climate. Until the IPCC muzzled them and unequivocally wrote that the models are good. ... Assertion is not substantiated by further assertion. You'll need to link to the sources. Credible sources, of course.

Not assertions rather FACTS.

This source good enough..................???


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Based on current model results, we predict: Under the IPCC Business-as-Usual (Scenario A) emissions of greenhouse gases, a rate of increase of global mean temperature during the next century of about 0.3C per decade (with an uncertainty range of 0.2°C – 0.5°C)” [IPCC FAR summary]

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 8:49pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 1:15pm: # wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 1:13pm: Indeed.What a poor, pathetic wanker is greggerypeccary. Compulsive troll; Compulsive liar and; Compulsive wanker. And don't forget Compulsive denier  ;D  Absolutely! What a terrible person I am. Considering that, I wonder why David (#) feels compelled to reply to every single post I make. I think he's stalking me. Maybe it's the heat.

Global warming make people go cwazy  :D  ;D

Ajax wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 9:13pm:

# wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 8:45pm: Ajax wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 1:39pm: ... Quote: You can't substantiate any of that, can you? Yes I can with the 1990 predictions of the IPCC computer models which said that we would have 0.2 degree per decade of warming (that's being generous) and we actual had 0.05 degree warming over the last 15 years. Not to mention that the IPCC scientists themselves actually did say way back in 1995 that the computer models aren't really that accurate and cannot reproduce the earth's climate. Until the IPCC muzzled them and unequivocally wrote that the models are good. ... Assertion is not substantiated by further assertion. You'll need to link to the sources. Credible sources, of course. Not assertions rather FACTS. This source good enough..................??? [quote]Based on current model results, we predict: Under the IPCC Business-as-Usual (Scenario A) emissions of greenhouse gases, a rate of increase of global mean temperature during the next century of about 0.3C per decade (with an uncertainty range of 0.2°C – 0.5°C)” [IPCC FAR summary]

[/quote]What do you think you see there?

Stop wasting everyone's time with fortune telling.

namnugenot wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 9:20am:

Stop wasting everyone's time with fortune telling.

...and yet you tolerate the stock market

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 9:37am:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 9:20am: Stop wasting everyone's time with fortune telling. ...and yet you tolerate the stock market

If you want to point to someone making stock market predictions for between 2050 and 2100 go right ahead...I'm happy to laugh at them too. Every year one of the networks gets a group of highly paid economists to make predictions for the comings year on a range of things like interest rates, the stock market, etc. They sound very plausible, giving detailed and technical reasons and analysis and showing graphs. It is rare that one gets one right....over a 12 month period. Other than that I don't waste any time on those pack of tools either...however if (and this is purely hypothetical as I don't think I've ever been on a forum that discusses the "market") I was on a finance forum I'd be telling them the exact same thing.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 9:37am:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 9:20am: Stop wasting everyone's time with fortune telling. ...and yet you tolerate the stock market

Broadcast on the hour every hour no less  :o

# wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 7:18am:

What do you think you see there?

exactly what it says....LOL....!!!!!

what do you see..................?????

# wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Ajax wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 8:15am: ... Australia only emits 1.5% of all manmade CO2 emissions. ... Is that an excuse to evade our responsibility?

No, just a good time to recognise that even if Australia emits 0% of all manmade CO2 emissions, that it would make no difference to the climate.
None whatsoever.

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 1:15pm:

# wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 1:13pm: Indeed.What a poor, pathetic wanker is greggerypeccary. ... And don't forget Compulsive denier  ;D

He's given no cause to suppose that he believes the denialist nonsense. I reckon greggerypeccary merely says whatever he hopes will provoke a reaction for his amusement. First and foremost, greggerypeccary is a troll.


greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 8:49pm:

... What a terrible person I am. ...

You have good reasons to despise yourself.

Ajax wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 4:54pm:

# wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 7:18am: What do you think you see there? exactly what it says.... ...

What do you think it means?

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 6:24pm:

# wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 1:04pm: Ajax wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 8:15am: ... Australia only emits 1.5% of all manmade CO2 emissions. ... Is that an excuse to evade our responsibility? No, ...

So you agree that Australia should do its share?

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 9:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 8:49pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 1:15pm: # wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 1:13pm: Indeed.What a poor, pathetic wanker is greggerypeccary. Compulsive troll; Compulsive liar and; Compulsive wanker. And don't forget Compulsive denier  ;D  Absolutely! What a terrible person I am. Considering that, I wonder why David (#) feels compelled to reply to every single post I make. I think he's stalking me. Maybe it's the heat. Global warming make people go cwazy  :D  ;D

Doesn't it just.

Poor old David (#) is a classic example.

His mind is slowly turning to mush.

I give him until Christmas.

what's wrong hash cornered....?????/

# wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2013 at 10:32am:

Ajax wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 4:54pm: # wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 7:18am: What do you think you see there? exactly what it says.... ... What do you think it means?

Ajax wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2013 at 11:23am:

what's wrong hash cornered....?????/

If you don't know what is means, what significance can it have?

one would need to be either blind to the facts, or a delusional lying religious cultist to deny the simple undeniable fact of Anthropogenically induced Global Warming

I wonder if Ajax will show some trend data commencing with his favourite cherry picked year - 1998?

Ajax, the German citizen, has a very good habit of cherry picking the scabs that he needs to run his delusional religious public spin campaign

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Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2013 at 12:44pm:

one would need to be either blind to the facts, or a delusional lying religious cultist to deny the simple undeniable fact of Anthropogenically induced Global Warming

You mean like the fact that one third of all manmade CO2 emissions (440 gigatonnes) have gone into our atmosphere since the year 1998 and temperatures are flat.


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I wonder if Ajax will show some trend data commencing with his favourite cherry picked year - 1998?

Wouldn't want to disappoint you chimpy.....!!!!

http://i39.tinypic.com/2reh8qp.png


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Ajax, the German citizen, has a very good habit of cherry picking the scabs that he needs to run his delusional religious public spin campaign

What are you talking about banana breath......????