Climate change: Indigenous Australians 'face disproportionate harm'

Second leaked IPCC report warns number of heatwave-related deaths in Sydney could triple by end of the century

Oliver Milman
theguardian.com, Monday 14 October 2013 17.41 AEST      

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Indigenous children on the outskirts of Alice Springs in the Northern Territory. Photograph: AAP/Marianna Massey

Indigenous Australians face “disproportionate” harm from climate change, according to a leaked report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

The second IPCC report, which is due to be released next March, also warns that climate change could swamp $226bn worth of coastal property via sea-level rises and cause the number of heatwave-related deaths in Sydney to triple by the end of the century.

It says there is “high agreement” among scientists that Indigenous people will face significant challenges from heat stress, extreme weather events and heightened rates of disease by 2100.

“Little adaptation of Indigenous communities to climate change is apparent to date,” the report says.

A sharp increase in heatwaves will impact the broader Australian population, especially older people, through heat-related deaths and hospitalisations. In Sydney, the number of deaths caused by heatwaves is expected to triple from 2.5 deaths for every 100,000 people to 7.4 deaths for every 100,000 people by 2100.

Water and food-borne diseases are projected to increase, with up to 870,000 new cases of bacterial gastroenteritis by 2100. But the IPCC warns there is minimal scientific consensus when it comes to specific disease projections and their link to climate change.

Australia is set to suffer financial as well as human loss, with the IPCC saying sea-level rise is a “significant risk” to the country because of the heavy population skew towards coastal cities and towns.

A rise of 1.1m would affect assets worth $226bn, according to the report, threatening 274,000 residential and 8,600 commercial buildings. Risks to road and rail infrastructure would “increase significantly” with a rise above 0.5m, the report indicates.

“While the magnitude of sea-level rise during the 21st century remains uncertain, its persistence over many centuries implies that realisation of these risks is only a question of time,” it says.

The leaking of the second IPCC report of three comes in the wake of the official release of the headline first report, which was unveiled in September. The initial document, a summation of the work of hundreds of climate scientists from around the world over the past five years, said there was a 95% certainty that humans are responsible for most of the 0.89C rise in average temperatures since 1901.

Australia is set to experience a 6C rise in average temperatures on its hottest days, with the loss of many reptile, bird and mammal species, as well as the celebrated Kakadu wetlands.

Separate research published this week by Australian scientists shows that the impact of el Niño years will be exacerbated by climate change. El Niño is a periodic climate condition which causes warming of the ocean and shifting rainfall patterns in parts of the Pacific region. It can help drive extremely warm years, such as in 1998.

The study team found that areas in the western Pacific, such as eastern Australia, will experience worse droughts during el Niño years.

Scott Power of the Bureau of Meteorology, the lead author of the report, said: “Projections produced by the models indicate that global warming interferes with the impact that el Niño sea-surface temperature patterns have on rainfall. This interference causes an intensification of el Niño-driven drying in the western Pacific and rainfall increases in the central and eastern equatorial Pacific.”

Dr Wenju Cai of the CSIRO added: “During el Niño, western Pacific countries – Australasia, including Australia – experience unusually low rainfall, while the eastern equatorial Pacific receives more rainfall than usual.

“This study finds that both the wet and dry anomalies will be greater in future el Niño years. This means that [el Niño]-induced drought and floods will be more intense in the future.”

Funny how you just never tire of the IPCC throwing out pseudo science catastrophic climate change nonscence. I am actually going the opposite way. I am starting to enjoy it.

Can we have the climate refugees yet. Who the hell is holding on to them. Oh and who the hell is keeping the sunken islands from the press/people.

;D ;D ;D ;D

Yeah more hysterical nonsense, can you imagine what the aborigines of the great 542 BC drought would think if they could see all these pampered arseholes complaining about the near perfect conditions they have to endure today  ;D

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 4:41pm:

Yeah more hysterical nonsense, can you imagine what the aborigines of the great 542 BC drought would think if they could see all these pampered arseholes complaining about the near perfect conditions they have to endure today  ;D

You're uneducated, racist and totally ignorant.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 4:45pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 4:41pm: Yeah more hysterical nonsense, can you imagine what the aborigines of the great 542 BC drought would think if they could see all these pampered arseholes complaining about the near perfect conditions they have to endure today  ;D You're uneducated, racist and totally ignorant.

Oh boy, you have lost havent you. Now instead of you deciding, im sure it wouldnt be out of place to tell you to go now and take your bat and ball with you. You are not wanted nor needed.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 4:45pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 4:41pm: Yeah more hysterical nonsense, can you imagine what the aborigines of the great 542 BC drought would think if they could see all these pampered arseholes complaining about the near perfect conditions they have to endure today  ;D You're uneducated, racist and totally ignorant.

Haha ya weirdo climate change cult lunatic, do some studies of the problems that the aborigine faced including 100 metre sea level rises and the drying out of the willandra lakes food bowl, and not even a single denialist around to pin it on  ;D

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 4:27pm:

Funny how you just never tire of the IPCC throwing out pseudo science catastrophic climate change nonscence. I am actually going the opposite way. I am starting to enjoy it. Can we have the climate refugees yet. Who the hell is holding on to them. Oh and who the hell is keeping the sunken islands from the press/people. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Did you read the IPCC report and its conclusions?

Can you read?

Do you know why the Murdoch press had to publish a retraction of previous missinterpreted comments in relation to the recent IPCC report findings.

Your lies match that of your denialist fascist ignorant cult religion

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 4:27pm: Funny how you just never tire of the IPCC throwing out pseudo science catastrophic climate change nonscence. I am actually going the opposite way. I am starting to enjoy it. Can we have the climate refugees yet. Who the hell is holding on to them. Oh and who the hell is keeping the sunken islands from the press/people. ;D ;D ;D ;D Did you read the IPCC report and its conclusions? Can you read? Do you know why the Murdoch press had to publish a retraction of previous missinterpreted comments in relation to the recent IPCC report findings. Your lies match that of your denialist fascist ignorant cult religion

I think global warming may very well have fried your brains, if only we had acted sooner  ;D

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:23pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:04pm: progressiveslol wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 4:27pm: Funny how you just never tire of the IPCC throwing out pseudo science catastrophic climate change nonscence. I am actually going the opposite way. I am starting to enjoy it. Can we have the climate refugees yet. Who the hell is holding on to them. Oh and who the hell is keeping the sunken islands from the press/people. ;D ;D ;D ;D Did you read the IPCC report and its conclusions? Can you read? Do you know why the Murdoch press had to publish a retraction of previous missinterpreted comments in relation to the recent IPCC report findings. Your lies match that of your denialist fascist ignorant cult religion I think global warming may very well have fried your brains, if only we had acted sooner  ;D

The stench that you emit is singeing the nostril hairs of Beelzebub.

Can you read at all?

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 4:45pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 4:41pm: Yeah more hysterical nonsense, can you imagine what the aborigines of the great 542 BC drought would think if they could see all these pampered arseholes complaining about the near perfect conditions they have to endure today  ;D You're uneducated, racist and totally ignorant. Haha ya weirdo climate change cult lunatic, do some studies of the problems that the aborigine faced including 100 metre sea level rises and the drying out of the willandra lakes food bowl, and not even a single denialist around to pin it on  ;D

Are all thos ancestry stories true. Dont tell the chump chimp will you. Chimps likely to have heart failure.

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:23pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:04pm: progressiveslol wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 4:27pm: Funny how you just never tire of the IPCC throwing out pseudo science catastrophic climate change nonscence. I am actually going the opposite way. I am starting to enjoy it. Can we have the climate refugees yet. Who the hell is holding on to them. Oh and who the hell is keeping the sunken islands from the press/people. ;D ;D ;D ;D Did you read the IPCC report and its conclusions? Can you read? Do you know why the Murdoch press had to publish a retraction of previous missinterpreted comments in relation to the recent IPCC report findings. Your lies match that of your denialist fascist ignorant cult religion I think global warming may very well have fried your brains, if only we had acted sooner  ;D

If only we took out insurane. We could have had frankinchimp

Quote:

“Little adaptation of Indigenous communities to climate change is apparent to date,” the report says.

Little adaptation of indigenous communities to anything is apparent to date.

You'd think that a nomadic people, adapted to nothing but hot arid conditions, and insulated from any economic loss (by virtue of not having anything to lose) would do better than most, and the weak report does nothing to suggest otherwise....Unless....

It needs to be mandated that any report from the IPCC should only be printed on soft two ply with perforations....cause that's all they are good for  ;D ;D ;D ;D

the low IQ rodents have been flushed out tonight

I wonder if any of them have published anything significant in the peer reviewed scientific literature?

I wonder if any of them can read?

They seem to be able to type though

Imagine if the sceptics came out and said what the alarmists are saying above in the OP......?????

What they have crystal balls now.

How the bugger do they know what's going to happen in a hundred years.

The list of alarmist bullsh!t just keeps on growing..LOL

Its so obvious these stupid idiots haven't got a clue how the weather here on Earth works, otherwise they wouldn't be making crystal ball forecasts.

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:58pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:23pm: Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:04pm: progressiveslol wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 4:27pm: Funny how you just never tire of the IPCC throwing out pseudo science catastrophic climate change nonscence. I am actually going the opposite way. I am starting to enjoy it. Can we have the climate refugees yet. Who the hell is holding on to them. Oh and who the hell is keeping the sunken islands from the press/people. ;D ;D ;D ;D Did you read the IPCC report and its conclusions? Can you read? Do you know why the Murdoch press had to publish a retraction of previous missinterpreted comments in relation to the recent IPCC report findings. Your lies match that of your denialist fascist ignorant cult religion I think global warming may very well have fried your brains, if only we had acted sooner  ;D If only we took out insurane. We could have had frankinchimp

where is the Royal receipt for purchasing this continent from the Indigenous Australians?

where is the treaty, the consent, the compensation?

This entire continent is ONE BIG CRIME scene, stolen land, genocidal territory, a nation is denial

TERRA NULLIUS


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Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:58pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:23pm: Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:04pm: progressiveslol wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 4:27pm: Funny how you just never tire of the IPCC throwing out pseudo science catastrophic climate change nonscence. I am actually going the opposite way. I am starting to enjoy it. Can we have the climate refugees yet. Who the hell is holding on to them. Oh and who the hell is keeping the sunken islands from the press/people. ;D ;D ;D ;D Did you read the IPCC report and its conclusions? Can you read? Do you know why the Murdoch press had to publish a retraction of previous missinterpreted comments in relation to the recent IPCC report findings. Your lies match that of your denialist fascist ignorant cult religion I think global warming may very well have fried your brains, if only we had acted sooner  ;D If only we took out insurane. We could have had frankinchimp where is the Royal receipt for purchasing this continent from the Indigenous Australians? where is the treaty? This entire continent is ONE BIG CRIME scene, stolen land, genocidal territory, TERRA NULLIUS http://1deadlynation.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/chains.jpg

Australia now belongs to the world and all it's people. Australia was here before the aborigines.

Big Dave wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 1:08pm: progressiveslol wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:58pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:23pm: Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:04pm: progressiveslol wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 4:27pm: Funny how you just never tire of the IPCC throwing out pseudo science catastrophic climate change nonscence. I am actually going the opposite way. I am starting to enjoy it. Can we have the climate refugees yet. Who the hell is holding on to them. Oh and who the hell is keeping the sunken islands from the press/people. ;D ;D ;D ;D Did you read the IPCC report and its conclusions? Can you read? Do you know why the Murdoch press had to publish a retraction of previous missinterpreted comments in relation to the recent IPCC report findings. Your lies match that of your denialist fascist ignorant cult religion I think global warming may very well have fried your brains, if only we had acted sooner  ;D If only we took out insurane. We could have had frankinchimp where is the Royal receipt for purchasing this continent from the Indigenous Australians? where is the treaty? This entire continent is ONE BIG CRIME scene, stolen land, genocidal territory, TERRA NULLIUS http://1deadlynation.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/chains.jpg Australia now belongs to the world and all it's people. Australia was here before the aborigines.

So the Australian Navy can now sail into FIJI for example and declare a Terra Nullius claim, steal all land and assets without compensation?

Is that what you are saying?

Are you aware that the Aboriginal Australians were the first to venture OUT of Africa, almost 70 thousand years ago, and were the first pioneers eastwards? They ended up in Australia eventually.

The points remain.

Where is the treaty, the receipts for this stolen land, the compensation, etc???

Have a look at a map of the world. Australia is quite a significant piece of land. Was all this land supposed to remain almost  uninhabited by a hunter gatherer people while the rest of the world spilled over. It's the worlds land.

Big Dave wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Have a look at a map of the world. Australia is quite a significant piece of land. Was all this land supposed to remain almost  uninhabited by a hunter gatherer people while the rest of the world spilled over. It's the worlds land.

No.

The point is that NO treaty was agreed upon with the original inhabitants of this continent. Nor was there any consent or compensation.

In fact the Australian indigenous peoples are the only displaced original tribal people in the world whereby no treaty was agreed to.

the only colonisation that took place that legally classed the Aboriginal people as NON- people, as fauna, as animals.

These are the facts - you can rationalise them any which way you please to fit in with your historical revisionism, but the facts remain. The truth remains.

(to use the argument that this continent is HUGE and should be shared with other peoples of the world, is all the more argument to offer an mutually agreed upon treaty to the indigenous peoples, rather than class them with some imperialist racist Terra Nullius lie)

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 5:04pm:

Big Dave wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 1:27pm: Have a look at a map of the world. Australia is quite a significant piece of land. Was all this land supposed to remain almost  uninhabited by a hunter gatherer people while the rest of the world spilled over. It's the worlds land. No. The point is that NO treaty was agreed upon with the original inhabitants of this continent. Nor was there any consent or compensation. In fact the Australian indigenous peoples are the only displaced original tribal people in the world whereby no treaty was agreed to. the only colonisation that took place that legally classed the Aboriginal people as NON- people, as fauna, as animals. These are the facts - you can rationalise them any which way you please to fit in with your historical revisionism, but the facts remain. The truth remains. (to use the argument that this continent is HUGE and should be shared with other peoples of the world, is all the more argument to offer an mutually agreed upon treaty to the indigenous peoples, rather than class them with some imperialist racist Terra Nullius lie)

I understand everything you are saying Chimp. I just wonder how much being first really matters. In an ideal world the powers that be would ask permission to settle Australia. In the real world the stronger army just walks on in. It's reality. Australia is on a direction that has left the aboriginal Australia behind. It's sad but true. Nature doesn't look behind. It rolls over everything. We need to show compassion still. What are we without compassion?

Big Dave wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 7:09pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 5:04pm: Big Dave wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 1:27pm: Have a look at a map of the world. Australia is quite a significant piece of land. Was all this land supposed to remain almost  uninhabited by a hunter gatherer people while the rest of the world spilled over. It's the worlds land. No. The point is that NO treaty was agreed upon with the original inhabitants of this continent. Nor was there any consent or compensation. In fact the Australian indigenous peoples are the only displaced original tribal people in the world whereby no treaty was agreed to. the only colonisation that took place that legally classed the Aboriginal people as NON- people, as fauna, as animals. These are the facts - you can rationalise them any which way you please to fit in with your historical revisionism, but the facts remain. The truth remains. (to use the argument that this continent is HUGE and should be shared with other peoples of the world, is all the more argument to offer an mutually agreed upon treaty to the indigenous peoples, rather than class them with some imperialist racist Terra Nullius lie) I understand everything you are saying Chimp. I just wonder how much being first really matters. In an ideal world the powers that be would ask permission to settle Australia. In the real world the stronger army just walks on in. It's reality. Australia is on a direction that has left the aboriginal Australia behind. It's sad but true. Nature doesn't look behind. It rolls over everything. We need to show compassion still. What are we without compassion?

there must be some priority status don't you think?

what if a colonising force invaded Australia today and did the same things the British did post 1778?

What would be your rationale in those circumstances?

What interests me is justice and for the truth to be told - however painful or old that truth may turn out to be.

There were many wrongs perpetrated upon the Indigenous peoples of this land and they are still carried out today.

These need to be addressed both morally and materially.

there is no escape clause for these crimes - it may appear that there is, but the immoral stench follows all Australians were every they go.

thanks chump, i'm gonna change my ways now, going straight out to buy a 'Close the Gap' sticker for my car. Make me feel superior and all as I drive thru Northcote.

If only I had a Prius and the sticker, I'd have done my bit to being 'interested'  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Rider wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 6:40am:

thanks chump, i'm gonna change my ways now, going straight out to buy a 'Close the Gap' sticker for my car. Make me feel superior and all as I drive thru Northcote. If only I had a Prius and the sticker, I'd have done my bit to being 'interested'  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Oh don't do that Rider. We wouldn't want one less ignorant racist clown freak maggot in Australian society NOW WOULD WE mr Rider?

Current jailing rates of indigenous Australians are 5 times higher than at the peak of Apartheid South Africa in the mid 1980s.

Non-Indigenous Australian are ALL ancestral and current passive and active thieves and participants in genocidal practices.

Don't change a thing Mr Rider - you should be delusional with pride and fascist endeavour.

enjoy your short interview at the gates of Hell

Remember komrades, if you own a house in Australia,  it is built on STOLEN LAND!

Title to stolen property NEVER changes,  no matter how many times it is bought and sold!

Thus,  title to your home remains with the original owners, and if you are fair dinkum about all the self flagellation about land rights,  then you MUST sign over your house to the local land council.

If you do not,  then you are a HYPOCRITE!



OC

Old Codger wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 8:54am:

Remember komrades, if you own a house in Australia,  it is built on STOLEN LAND! Title to stolen property NEVER changes,  no matter how many times it is bought and sold! Thus,  title to your home remains with the original owners, and if you are fair dinkum about all the self flagellation about land rights,  then you MUST sign over your house to the local land council. If you do not,  then you are a HYPOCRITE! OC

a hypocrite AND a thief

No treaty, no consent, no compensation, no recognition that there were even people in this country until the referendum of 1967. Terra Nullius ladies and gentlemen

This entire continent is one big CRIME SCENE

komrade chimp!


You are probably unaware that ALL countries on this planet,  apart from Iceland and a couple of Pacific Islands,  have been forcibly taken over by other than the original inhabitants.

ALL of them!  No treaties either.

So,   "go back where you came from!"  You are on stolen land!



OC

Old Codger wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

komrade chimp! You are probably unaware that ALL countries on this planet,  apart from Iceland and a couple of Pacific Islands,  have been forcibly taken over by other than the original inhabitants. ALL of them!  No treaties either. So,   "go back where you came from!"  You are on stolen land! OC

How many of these fascist imperial ventures involved the declaration of Terra Nullius?

Within the commonwealth, the Australia aboriginal people were the only indigenous people that were classified as fauna/animals (legally until 1967) and lacked a treaty or agreement of consent and compensation.

These are the facts. Even NAZI Germany paid reparations after WW2 - and are still doing so in many cases.

You can attempt to justify your comfort zone by referring to the wonderful deeds of the past by tyrants such as Genghis Khan and Hitler, but the facts remain.

And the 2% of Australians who are indigenous in todays society aren't going anywhere.

How many of these fascist imperial ventures involved the declaration of Terra Nullius?"


there is THAT word AGAIN!


And we are the ONLY one that bothered with a label, most simply invaded and took what they wanted,  which was ALL of it!

The USA?   New Zealand?  Every country in Europe - LOTS?  even CHINA!

No labels there.

OC

# wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 4:22pm:

Climate change: Indigenous Australians 'face disproportionate harm' Second leaked IPCC report warns number of heatwave-related deaths in Sydney could triple by end of the century Oliver Milman theguardian.com, Monday 14 October 2013 17.41 AEST       http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/10/14/1381730812123/e41d34ea-4e15-4ade-8109-da08bd253944-460x276.jpeg Indigenous children on the outskirts of Alice Springs in the Northern Territory. Photograph: AAP/Marianna Massey Indigenous Australians face “disproportionate” harm from climate change, according to a leaked report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The second IPCC report, which is due to be released next March, also warns that climate change could swamp $226bn worth of coastal property via sea-level rises and cause the number of heatwave-related deaths in Sydney to triple by the end of the century. It says there is “high agreement” among scientists that Indigenous people will face significant challenges from heat stress, extreme weather events and heightened rates of disease by 2100. “Little adaptation of Indigenous communities to climate change is apparent to date,” the report says. A sharp increase in heatwaves will impact the broader Australian population, especially older people, through heat-related deaths and hospitalisations. In Sydney, the number of deaths caused by heatwaves is expected to triple from 2.5 deaths for every 100,000 people to 7.4 deaths for every 100,000 people by 2100. Water and food-borne diseases are projected to increase, with up to 870,000 new cases of bacterial gastroenteritis by 2100. But the IPCC warns there is minimal scientific consensus when it comes to specific disease projections and their link to climate change. Australia is set to suffer financial as well as human loss, with the IPCC saying sea-level rise is a “significant risk” to the country because of the heavy population skew towards coastal cities and towns. A rise of 1.1m would affect assets worth $226bn, according to the report, threatening 274,000 residential and 8,600 commercial buildings. Risks to road and rail infrastructure would “increase significantly” with a rise above 0.5m, the report indicates. “While the magnitude of sea-level rise during the 21st century remains uncertain, its persistence over many centuries implies that realisation of these risks is only a question of time,” it says. The leaking of the second IPCC report of three comes in the wake of the official release of the headline first report, which was unveiled in September. The initial document, a summation of the work of hundreds of climate scientists from around the world over the past five years, said there was a 95% certainty that humans are responsible for most of the 0.89C rise in average temperatures since 1901. Australia is set to experience a 6C rise in average temperatures on its hottest days, with the loss of many reptile, bird and mammal species, as well as the celebrated Kakadu wetlands. Separate research published this week by Australian scientists shows that the impact of el Niño years will be exacerbated by climate change. El Niño is a periodic climate condition which causes warming of the ocean and shifting rainfall patterns in parts of the Pacific region. It can help drive extremely warm years, such as in 1998. The study team found that areas in the western Pacific, such as eastern Australia, will experience worse droughts during el Niño years. Scott Power of the Bureau of Meteorology, the lead author of the report, said: “Projections produced by the models indicate that global warming interferes with the impact that el Niño sea-surface temperature patterns have on rainfall. This interference causes an intensification of el Niño-driven drying in the western Pacific and rainfall increases in the central and eastern equatorial Pacific.” Dr Wenju Cai of the CSIRO added: “During el Niño, western Pacific countries – Australasia, including Australia – experience unusually low rainfall, while the eastern equatorial Pacific receives more rainfall than usual. “This study finds that both the wet and dry anomalies will be greater in future el Niño years. This means that [el Niño]-induced drought and floods will be more intense in the future.”

I see the IPCC is still out and about scaring the simpletons again.
Despite the fact that the total lack of prediction credibility from the IPCC still hasn't stopped these environmental haruspex's from continuing their scaremongering.

Old Codger wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 9:30am:

How many of these fascist imperial ventures involved the declaration of Terra Nullius?" there is THAT word AGAIN! And we are the ONLY one that bothered with a label, most simply invaded and took what they wanted,  which was ALL of it! The USA?   New Zealand?  Every country in Europe - LOTS?  even CHINA! No labels there. OC

you seem to be feeling a little guilty at the theft and murder of your invading ancestry

you can run around in immoral circles if you like, the truth remains

You just didn't complete the Job of complete genocide and now the voices continue

face them or perish in a sea of hypocritical shame

Pack up and LEAVE,  you stupid bastard!


OC

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 8:46am:

Rider wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 6:40am: thanks chump, i'm gonna change my ways now, going straight out to buy a 'Close the Gap' sticker for my car. Make me feel superior and all as I drive thru Northcote. If only I had a Prius and the sticker, I'd have done my bit to being 'interested'  ;D ;D ;D ;D Oh don't do that Rider. We wouldn't want one less ignorant racist clown freak maggot in Australian society NOW WOULD WE mr Rider? Current jailing rates of indigenous Australians are 5 times higher than at the peak of Apartheid South Africa in the mid 1980s. Non-Indigenous Australian are ALL ancestral and current passive and active thieves and participants in genocidal practices. Don't change a thing Mr Rider - you should be delusional with pride and fascist endeavour. enjoy your short interview at the gates of Hell

Looks like i'll need more than one car sticker, perhaps 'don't blame me I'm a victim too'   ;D ;D ;D ;D

cry me a river chump, I've got nothing to be ashamed of in my life, and I don't do faux out rage like you leftard haters do.

Old Codger wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

Pack up and LEAVE,  you stupid bastard! OC

so its true ya old codger

Rider wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 9:48am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 8:46am: Rider wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 6:40am: thanks chump, i'm gonna change my ways now, going straight out to buy a 'Close the Gap' sticker for my car. Make me feel superior and all as I drive thru Northcote. If only I had a Prius and the sticker, I'd have done my bit to being 'interested'  ;D ;D ;D ;D Oh don't do that Rider. We wouldn't want one less ignorant racist clown freak maggot in Australian society NOW WOULD WE mr Rider? Current jailing rates of indigenous Australians are 5 times higher than at the peak of Apartheid South Africa in the mid 1980s. Non-Indigenous Australian are ALL ancestral and current passive and active thieves and participants in genocidal practices. Don't change a thing Mr Rider - you should be delusional with pride and fascist endeavour. enjoy your short interview at the gates of Hell Looks like i'll need more than one car sticker, perhaps 'don't blame me I'm a victim too'   ;D ;D ;D ;D cry me a river chump, I've got nothing to be ashamed of in my life, and I don't do faux out rage like you leftard haters do.

pack your fascist delusional bags and get the hell off this planet

I think someone may have spiked your bananas chump logic.  ;D

too many of them funny cigarettes!

racists sharing a coffee I see

pack your bags and go back to where your forefathers came from

or in your case,  a tree?

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 9:56am:

Rider wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 9:48am: Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 8:46am: Rider wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 6:40am: thanks chump, i'm gonna change my ways now, going straight out to buy a 'Close the Gap' sticker for my car. Make me feel superior and all as I drive thru Northcote. If only I had a Prius and the sticker, I'd have done my bit to being 'interested'  ;D ;D ;D ;D Oh don't do that Rider. We wouldn't want one less ignorant racist clown freak maggot in Australian society NOW WOULD WE mr Rider? Current jailing rates of indigenous Australians are 5 times higher than at the peak of Apartheid South Africa in the mid 1980s. Non-Indigenous Australian are ALL ancestral and current passive and active thieves and participants in genocidal practices. Don't change a thing Mr Rider - you should be delusional with pride and fascist endeavour. enjoy your short interview at the gates of Hell Looks like i'll need more than one car sticker, perhaps 'don't blame me I'm a victim too'   ;D ;D ;D ;D cry me a river chump, I've got nothing to be ashamed of in my life, and I don't do faux out rage like you leftard haters do. pack your fascist delusional bags and get the hell off this planet

;D ;D the trams don't go to your suburb do they Chump???? 

Rider wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 2:03pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 9:56am: Rider wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 9:48am: Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 8:46am: Rider wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 6:40am: thanks chump, i'm gonna change my ways now, going straight out to buy a 'Close the Gap' sticker for my car. Make me feel superior and all as I drive thru Northcote. If only I had a Prius and the sticker, I'd have done my bit to being 'interested'  ;D ;D ;D ;D Oh don't do that Rider. We wouldn't want one less ignorant racist clown freak maggot in Australian society NOW WOULD WE mr Rider? Current jailing rates of indigenous Australians are 5 times higher than at the peak of Apartheid South Africa in the mid 1980s. Non-Indigenous Australian are ALL ancestral and current passive and active thieves and participants in genocidal practices. Don't change a thing Mr Rider - you should be delusional with pride and fascist endeavour. enjoy your short interview at the gates of Hell Looks like i'll need more than one car sticker, perhaps 'don't blame me I'm a victim too'   ;D ;D ;D ;D cry me a river chump, I've got nothing to be ashamed of in my life, and I don't do faux out rage like you leftard haters do. pack your fascist delusional bags and get the hell off this planet ;D ;D the trams don't go to your suburb do they Chump????

brilliant, shear comedic genius, supreme humour never seen before in the history of mankind, clown

You are pretty well blindly committed to your insane cause aren't you chump, I guess we should be thankful that al gore got to you before al qeda did, otherwise you'd probably be shooting the sh#t out of a shopping mall by now instead  ;D

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 4:11pm:

You are pretty well blindly committed to your insane cause aren't you chump, I guess we should be thankful that al gore got to you before al qeda did, otherwise you'd probably be shooting the sh#t out of a shopping mall by now instead  ;D

who is this lady Al Gore you speak of?

what exactly do you read in your spare time?

assuming you can read you freak maggot weasel clown stench

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

where is the Royal receipt for purchasing this continent from the Indigenous Australians? where is the treaty, the consent, the compensation? This entire continent is ONE BIG CRIME scene, stolen land, genocidal territory, a nation is denial TERRA NULLIUS

chimp why are you mixing the struggle of the aboriginal people with AGW religion

Ajax wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 9:18pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 1:08pm: where is the Royal receipt for purchasing this continent from the Indigenous Australians? where is the treaty, the consent, the compensation? This entire continent is ONE BIG CRIME scene, stolen land, genocidal territory, a nation is denial TERRA NULLIUS chimp why are you mixing the struggle of the aboriginal people with AGW religion

I am not surprised that you are incapable of mounting more than ONE opinion on numerous themes AT THE SAME TIME

Have you always been this monolithically incompetent?

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 19^th, 2013 at 11:05am:

I am not surprised that you are incapable of mounting more than ONE opinion on numerous themes AT THE SAME TIME Have you always been this monolithically incompetent?

Sorry chimp I cant see how you can mix the anthropogenic global warming religion with the struggle of the aboriginal people of Australia.

Its just another way to side track the argument of AGW.

Ajax wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 19th, 2013 at 11:05am: I am not surprised that you are incapable of mounting more than ONE opinion on numerous themes AT THE SAME TIME Have you always been this monolithically incompetent? Sorry chimp I cant see how you can mix the anthropogenic global warming religion with the struggle of the aboriginal people of Australia. Its just another way to side track the argument of AGW.

In the global scientific community there is NO argument as to whether the global warming trends observed over the past 60 years have anthropogenic causal links.

Anthropogenically induced global warming is currently an undeniable, verifiable scientific fact.

Perhaps you can focus your delusional religious cultist dogma upon the effects of AGW in the future?

In this arena, there is scientific discussion that pertains to modelling accuracy/predictions and tipping points etc.

Speaking of models, have you managed to uncover ONE single predictive climate model that shows cooling or even as static global temperature as CO2 concentration rises in the earths atmosphere?

Surely you can find ONE model that fits into your religious crack pot spin bible?

There is my first challenge to you! respond or we have no further reason to engage in discussion