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muslim culture venerates inbreeding. Consanguineous marriages were originally sanctioned by islam’s prophet muhammed Health studies show that close to half of all muslims in the world are inbred: In Pakistan, 70% of all marriages are between first cousins (so-called "consanguinity") and in Turkey the amount is between 25-30% (Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009 More stillbirths among immigrants") Statistical research on Arabic countries shows that up to 34% of all marriages in Algiers are consanguine (blood related), 46% in Bahrain, 33% in Egypt, 80% in Nubia (southern area in Egypt), 60% in Iraq, 64% in Jordan, 64% in Kuwait, 42% in Lebanon, 48% in Libya, 47%in Mauritania, 54% in Qatar, 67% in Saudi Arabia, 63% in Sudan, 40% in Syria, 39% in Tunisia, 54% in the United Arabic Emirates and 45% in Yemen (Reproductive Health Journal, 2009 Consanguinity and reproductive health among Arabs.). A large part of inbred muslims are born from parents who are themselves inbred - which increase the risks of negative mental and physical consequenses greatly. Low intelligence Research has shown that children of consanguineous marriages have lower intelligence than children of non-related parents. Research shows that the IQ is 10-16 points lower in children born from related parents and that abilities related to social behavior develops slower in inbred babies: The risk of having an IQ lower than 70 goes up 400% from 1.2% in children from normal parents to 6.2% in inbred children: "The data indicate that the risk for mental retardation in matings of normal parents increases from 0.012 with random matings to 0.062 for first-cousin parentage." (Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, 1978 Effect of inbreeding on IQ and mental retardation"). Mental and physical diseases and death The risk of stillbirth doubles when parents are first cousins (Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009 More stillbirths among immigrants). One study analyzed the risk of perinatal death (the child dies during its own birth), infant death (child dies while still infant) and autosomal recessive disorders (serious and often deadly genetic diseases such as cystic fibrosis and spinal muscular atrophy) Evidence indicates that inbred people has a higher risk of developing mental disorders: "The clinical observations indicated that depression is very high in some communities where the consanguinity of marriages is also high." (Indian Journal of Psychiatry, 2009 "Relationship between consanguinity and depression in a south Indian population". Another study focused on the relationship between intermarriage and schizophrenia: "The closer the blood relative, the more likely was there to be a schizophrenic illness." (American Psychiatric Press, 1982 The role of genetic factors  in the ethiology of the schizophrenic disorders). Implications for muslim inbreeding: The consequences for offspring of consanguineous marriages are clear: Death, low intelligence, mental retardation, pyhsical handicaps and diseases. Limited social skills and understanding, limited ability to manage education and work procedures and painful treatment procedures. The negative cognitive consequences also influence the executive functions. The impairment of concentration and emotional control most often leads to anti-social behavior. Low intelligence directly limits a muslims ability to understand, appreciate and produce knowledge. Source1 Source2 Source3

So there we have it, muslims following muhammad's lead, have now genetically modified themselves into a group where low I.Q. and physical defects are the norm.

Couple this with their legal child sex, slaughtering innocents etc. all because allah / muhammad / qur'an / islam demand it, muslims and their cult are a societal disease the west can well do without.

moses wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 4:59pm:

Quote: muslim culture venerates inbreeding. Consanguineous marriages were originally sanctioned by islam’s prophet muhammed Health studies show that close to half of all muslims in the world are inbred: In Pakistan, 70% of all marriages are between first cousins (so-called "consanguinity") and in Turkey the amount is between 25-30% (Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009 More stillbirths among immigrants") Statistical research on Arabic countries shows that up to 34% of all marriages in Algiers are consanguine (blood related), 46% in Bahrain, 33% in Egypt, 80% in Nubia (southern area in Egypt), 60% in Iraq, 64% in Jordan, 64% in Kuwait, 42% in Lebanon, 48% in Libya, 47%in Mauritania, 54% in Qatar, 67% in Saudi Arabia, 63% in Sudan, 40% in Syria, 39% in Tunisia, 54% in the United Arabic Emirates and 45% in Yemen (Reproductive Health Journal, 2009 Consanguinity and reproductive health among Arabs.). A large part of inbred muslims are born from parents who are themselves inbred - which increase the risks of negative mental and physical consequenses greatly. Low intelligence Research has shown that children of consanguineous marriages have lower intelligence than children of non-related parents. Research shows that the IQ is 10-16 points lower in children born from related parents and that abilities related to social behavior develops slower in inbred babies: The risk of having an IQ lower than 70 goes up 400% from 1.2% in children from normal parents to 6.2% in inbred children: "The data indicate that the risk for mental retardation in matings of normal parents increases from 0.012 with random matings to 0.062 for first-cousin parentage." (Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, 1978 Effect of inbreeding on IQ and mental retardation"). Mental and physical diseases and death The risk of stillbirth doubles when parents are first cousins (Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009 More stillbirths among immigrants). One study analyzed the risk of perinatal death (the child dies during its own birth), infant death (child dies while still infant) and autosomal recessive disorders (serious and often deadly genetic diseases such as cystic fibrosis and spinal muscular atrophy) Evidence indicates that inbred people has a higher risk of developing mental disorders: "The clinical observations indicated that depression is very high in some communities where the consanguinity of marriages is also high." (Indian Journal of Psychiatry, 2009 "Relationship between consanguinity and depression in a south Indian population". Another study focused on the relationship between intermarriage and schizophrenia: "The closer the blood relative, the more likely was there to be a schizophrenic illness." (American Psychiatric Press, 1982 The role of genetic factors  in the ethiology of the schizophrenic disorders). Implications for muslim inbreeding: The consequences for offspring of consanguineous marriages are clear: Death, low intelligence, mental retardation, pyhsical handicaps and diseases. Limited social skills and understanding, limited ability to manage education and work procedures and painful treatment procedures. The negative cognitive consequences also influence the executive functions. The impairment of concentration and emotional control most often leads to anti-social behavior. Low intelligence directly limits a muslims ability to understand, appreciate and produce knowledge. Source1 Source2 Source3 So there we have it, muslims following muhammad's lead, have now genetically modified themselves into a group where low I.Q. and physical defects are the norm. Couple this with their legal child sex, slaughtering innocents etc. all because allah / muhammad / qur'an / islam demand it, muslims and their cult are a societal disease the west can well do without.

Is that why you got low intelligence?

Jews and Christians also inbreed.

English royal family and the Spanish royal families have inbreeding.
Go to Appalachia where they've been doing this since the beginning of time and they'll tell you Jesus Christ is the all mighty God and Saviour

How do you think Adam and eve's population grew?

When they had kids, the  kids use to marry eachother and thus they grew and expanded.

popular topic

Inbreeding in Islam

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293964219

Islamic Inbreeding

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1285753174

Just more attacks on Muslims, FD.  You're good at doing those, now aren't you?   ::)

Why do you think inbreeding is still so common throughout the middle east (despite the now well-understood risks), and there is so much unnecessary suffering as a result? It is because limp wristed apologists try to shut down the discussion every time it comes up in case people get offended at the suggestion they should not marry their cousin.

freediver wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 7:07pm:

popular topic Inbreeding in Islam http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293964219 Islamic Inbreeding http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1285753174

The jews have also been a popular topic

Are you going to start a new sub heading for "Jews"?

Jewish inbreeding

Jewish groups, including Ashkenazi Jews, are heavily inbred. This inbreeding results both from the relatively small initial size of the Jewish gene pool coupled with strong tendencies towards endogamy, as well as the fact that Jewish culture traditionally allows and favors highly consanguineous marriages. Judaism allows uncle-niece marriages, for example.
Religious law may differ however, and marriage between uncle/niece and aunt/nephew is specifically forbidden in the Koran but permitted for Jewish communities.

Jewish inbreeding has led to the emergence of various "Jewish diseases". Diseases unusually common among Ashkenazi Jews include Tay-Sachs, Gaucher, Canavan, certain breast cancer genes, Mucolipidosis IV, and others. Bloom Syndrome, for example, is caused by a problem in a gene that:
is involved in the copying and repair of the genetic information in the cells of the body. The most serious characteristics of this condition are a predisposition to cancer and infections.
Other features of Bloom Syndrome:
Short stature
Immunodeficiency
Photosensitivity
Diabetes mellitus
Male sterility

Australians have a lot of respect for inbreeding, that's why they elected Abbott.


http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/inbred.jpg

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 7:12pm:

Just more attacks on Muslims, FD. You're good at doing those, now aren't you?   ::)

Brian,

Why is the topic of 'moslems' out of bounds, in your 'universe' ???

Or, are we only allowed to refer to moslems, if it is in relation [specifically] to the praise, of moslems ?



Why is the topic of 'moslems' out of bounds,
if the discussion relating to moslems, ever involves the slightest scrutiny of, or involves 'discovery' [exposure] about, some unknown 'aspect' of ISLAMIC culture,
or,
if it relates to the 'discovery' [exposure] of the deleterious impact of ISLAMIC culture upon those who are NOT moslems ???

Because that is the impression i get from 90% of your posts - that, 'WE MUST NOT SCRUTINISE ISLAM OR MOSLEMS'.





Brian,

[Of all cultural groups in the world] why should just moslems be a 'protected' cultural group, which should never be scrutinised or criticised [where criticism is merited] ???

e.g.
If ISLAM and/or moslems are virtuous groups [which moslems constantly claim and insist, that they are], then why shouldn't any claims which moslems make, about their own community, or about ISLAM, be scrutinised ?

???








Brian,

Are you a homosexual ?

Coz to me, you appear to be a moslem loving C.S.

That is the impression i get from about 90% of your posts which i peruse.

Why else do you constantly 'protect' moslems from scrutiny or criticism ?


Dictionary;
scrutiny = = critical observation or examination.

Yadda wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 12:06am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 7:12pm: Just more attacks on Muslims, FD. You're good at doing those, now aren't you?   ::) Brian, Why is the topic of 'moslems' out of bounds, in your 'universe' ???

It isn't.  The problem as well you know, Yadda is you and the other Islamophobes incessant criticism which is invariably based not upon anything sensible but rather religious persecution and bigotry.


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Or, are we only allowed to refer to moslems, if it is in relation [specifically] to the praise, of moslems ?

Nope but I would hope that your criticism was based upon knowledge and understanding, as well as justice, giving the benefit of the doubt, Yadda.


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Why is the topic of 'moslems' out of bounds, if the discussion relating to moslems, ever involves the slightest scrutiny of, or involves 'discovery' [exposure] about, some unknown 'aspect' of ISLAMIC culture, or, if it relates to the 'discovery' [exposure] of the deleterious impact of ISLAMIC culture upon those who are NOT moslems ???

Here's a question for you, Yadda.  Which Islamic culture?  You speak of Islam and Muslims as if they are monolithic entities.  Why?

I'll treat the rest of your commentary with the contempt it deserves.  You do realise that resorting to personal insults merely indicates you've lost the plot and the debate, Yadda?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 12:30am:

The problem as well you know, Yadda is you and the other Islamophobes incessant criticism which is invariably based not upon anything sensible but rather religious persecution and bigotry.

LOL !!

That is a bit rude brian, a moslem apologist, accusing someone else, of being guilty of "religious persecution and bigotry" !!!


A convenient link, courtesy of True_Colours;


True Colours wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 9:09am:

Psychological projection Psychological projection was conceptualized by Sigmund Freud in the 1890s as a defense mechanism in which a person unconsciously rejects his or her own unacceptable attributes by ascribing them to objects or persons in the outside world.[1] For example, a person who is rude may accuse other people of being rude.

Psychological projection ???

But Brian, it is moslems, WHO DO, COMMONLY, accuse those who are not moslems, of being guilty of "religious persecution and bigotry" - while moslems refuse to acknowledge their own considerable religious bigotry !!!i
FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260




"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29








Please watch this YT...         goto 4m 30s
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0


AND HERE....


Please watch this YT...         goto 45 secs
Mohamed Morsi-"The Koran is our constitution -The Prophet Muhammad is our leader Jihad is our path - AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg







THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/




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Brian,

A question;

How come you missed that PRIMARY characteristic of the moslem,   ....of the moslem psyche being infected with religious bigotry ?

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 12:30am:

Here's a question for you, Yadda. Which Islamic culture? You speak of Islam and Muslims as if they are monolithic entities. Why?

ISLAM, Brian, is a monolithic beast/creature, which imposes itself, imposes its criminal will, upon all those who declare themselves, to be, moslems.




Brian,

I am speaking [always], of the ISLAMIC culture which is informed and is inspired, by ISLAM's own foundation texts [Koran & Hadith].

The ISLAMIC culture which inspires and encourages moslems to commit their murderous actions atrocities against persons who are both;
1/ not moslems,
and [at the same time],
2/ present themselves as 'opportune' victims [i.e. those persons who are helpless to prevent moslem 'Jihad operations' against themselves - e.g. persons in public markets, funeral attendees, subway and bus commuters, public school students children, etc]i
Supporting evidence, for my [above] accusations.....

And evidences which 'identify' the ISLAMIC culture, to which i refer;



ISLAMIC CULTURE, in the form of ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."



AND;

ISLAMIC CULTURE, FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260i

Quote:

Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian. Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'" Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us". These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world. ...DDA

Google it.



n.b.
"Killing infidels is a small matter to us"
Mohammed - the prophet of the religion of peace dismembered body parts.i
ISLAMIC CULTURE, FROM THE KORAN....

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 12:30am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 28th, 2013 at 12:06am: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 7:12pm: Just more attacks on Muslims, FD. You're good at doing those, now aren't you?   ::) Brian, Why is the topic of 'moslems' out of bounds, in your 'universe' ??? It isn't. The problem as well you know, Yadda is you and the other Islamophobes incessant criticism which is invariably based not upon anything sensible but rather religious persecution and bigotry.

Brian,

So do tell us all, why are you totally blind to the religious persecution and bigotry which ISLAM espouses [and which moslems 'flourishingly', practice] ?

Why, when you have no problem at all in 'recognising' the [alleged] religious persecution and 'bigotry' of people like myself, the 'bigotry' of exposing the hypocrisy of the moslem community, which insistently ascribes to itself, only religious virtue.



Violent religious bigotry ?

Watch it here brian;

Please watch this YT...         goto 4m 30s
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0






Violent religious bigotry ?

Read it here;

ISLAMIC CULTURE, FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260







Violent religious bigotry ?

And see it here;


IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg
Sydney CBD, 2012, moslem street protests.



WHAT DOES THAT IMAGE [above] DEPICT ?;
1/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation.

2/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, exercising their lawful right >>> to express <<< their views and opinions, publicly.

3/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, who are, ALSO, inciting the murder of persons who would dare to PUBLICLY EXPRESS, that they [non-moslems], do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

4/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
...i.e. their 'right', to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

5/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, who [by their own PUBLIC DECLARATIONS] are seeking to intimidate [into silence] all other persons who may wish to PUBLICLY EXPRESS, that they [non-moslems], do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

AND #6/ A group of moslems, who are religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.







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Brian ?

ISLAM ?



Why are you totally blind to the religious persecution and religious bigotry which ISLAM espouses [and which moslems 'flourishingly', practice] ?

And why is it supposedly, acts of religious persecution and religious bigotry,   .....if a person who is not a moslem, exposes the religious violence and religious hypocrisy, espoused within ISLAM's own religious doctrines ?

Isnt this thread about inbreeding?

Don't know why Yadda continues with his rubbish posts.

wally1 wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 9:18am:

Isnt this thread about inbreeding?

Correct wally.


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42093000/jpg/_42093952_kashmir-ap416.jpg
The dangers of inbreeding are apparent to all.i

Quote:

Don't know why Yadda continues with his rubbish posts.

wally,

Maybe you have inspired me!

Maybe this will be my very last post on OzPol !



We do live in hope, wally.

wally1 wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 9:18am:

Isnt this thread about inbreeding?

I think so.  Funny how it gets twisted to religious persecution though, now isn't it?   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D


Quote:

Don't know why Yadda continues with his rubbish posts.

I think they let him out of his padded cells for net therapy sessions.  Soothes him and allows him to let off steam without being violent.  That he keeps using crayon and shouting at people when they disagree with him rather indicates a delusional character who cannot tolerate any dissent from his narrow-minded viewpoint, don't you think?   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Yadda wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 10:28am:

Maybe this will be my very last post on OzPol ! We do live in hope, wally.

Some do but I know it won't be.  I think you need to go back on your medication.  Now, that would give us some hope that we'd have a little peace.   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Yadda wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 10:28am:

wally1 wrote on Oct 28th, 2013 at 9:18am: Isnt this thread about inbreeding? Correct wally. http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42093000/jpg/_42093952_kashmir-ap416.jpg The dangers of inbreeding are apparent to all.i Quote: Don't know why Yadda continues with his rubbish posts. wally, Maybe you have inspired me! Maybe this will be my very last post on OzPol ! We do live in hope, wally.

I sincerely hope its your last post.

1400 years or about 50 generations of muslim inbreeding is responsible for the irreversible damage to muslims, physically, their intelligence, sanity and health.

Geneticists now believe that in as short as 2 more generations, the self imposed damage to muslim's psychological and physical processes, will result in the death of hundreds of millions of muslims.

muslims and their apologists defend the practice of inbreeding to the death (the irony is, this is most likely to be the case)

Inbreeding will never cease in the islamic world, because muhammad is the ultimate example and authority on all matters. (muhammad practiced inbreeding and child sex, when it comes to matters of marriage for muslims)

Of course muslims and their apologists can never tell the truth about the sex habits of muhammad, to do so is to say muhammad got it wrong. (islam then implodes).

It's a wry conclusion: The more muslims and their apologists defend the sexual perversions of islam / muslims, the more damage they do to islam / muslims.

moses wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 4:39pm:

1400 years or about 50 generations of muslim inbreeding is responsible for the irreversible damage to muslims, physically, their intelligence, sanity and health. Geneticists now believe that in as short as 2 more generations, the self imposed damage to muslim's psychological and physical processes, will result in the death of hundreds of millions of muslims. muslims and their apologists defend the practice of inbreeding to the death (the irony is, this is most likely to be the case) Inbreeding will never cease in the islamic world, because muhammad is the ultimate example and authority on all matters. (muhammad practiced inbreeding and child sex, when it comes to matters of marriage for muslims) Of course muslims and their apologists can never tell the truth about the sex habits of muhammad, to do so is to say muhammad got it wrong. (islam then implodes). It's a wry conclusion: The more muslims and their apologists defend the sexual perversions of islam / muslims, the more damage they do to islam / muslims.

How did adam and Eve's children breed?

Do you know more about creation than the creator?

ENGLISH IS SUCH A DIFFICULT LANGUAGE

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wally1 wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 7:42pm:

Jewish inbreeding Jewish groups, including Ashkenazi Jews, are heavily inbred. This inbreeding results both from the relatively small initial size of the Jewish gene pool coupled with strong tendencies towards endogamy, as well as the fact that Jewish culture traditionally allows and favors highly consanguineous marriages. Judaism allows uncle-niece marriages, for example. Religious law may differ however, and marriage between uncle/niece and aunt/nephew is specifically forbidden in the Koran but permitted for Jewish communities. Jewish inbreeding has led to the emergence of various "Jewish diseases". Diseases unusually common among Ashkenazi Jews include Tay-Sachs, Gaucher, Canavan, certain breast cancer genes, Mucolipidosis IV, and others. Bloom Syndrome, for example, is caused by a problem in a gene that: is involved in the copying and repair of the genetic information in the cells of the body. The most serious characteristics of this condition are a predisposition to cancer and infections. Other features of Bloom Syndrome: Short stature Immunodeficiency Photosensitivity Diabetes mellitus Male sterility

You petty little individual plagiarist!

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1250426/pg1

Interesting SBS Insight program the other evening.  Surprised it hasn't been mentioned in this thread.   Could it be because they were Christians?   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

The findings of the study published in The Lancet and referred to by the program:

Findings
Of 11 396 babies for whom questionnaire data were available, 386 (3%) had a congenital anomaly. Rates for congenital anomaly were 305·74 per 10 000 livebirths, compared with a national rate of 165·90 per 10 000. The risk was greater for mothers of Pakistani origin than for those of white British origin (univariate RR 1·96, 95% CI 1·56–2·46). Overall, 2013 (18%) babies were the offspring of first-cousin unions. These babies were mainly of Pakistani origin—1922 (37%) of 5127 babies of Pakistani origin had parents in first-cousin unions. Consanguinity was associated with a doubling of risk for congenital anomaly (multivariate RR 2·19, 95% CI 1·67–2·85); we noted no association with increasing deprivation. 31% of all anomalies in children of Pakistani origin could be attributed to consanguinity. We noted a similar increase in risk for mothers of white British origin older than 34 years (multivariate RR 1·83, 95% CI 1·14–3·00). Maternal education to degree level was protective (0·53, 95% CI 0·38–0·75), irrespective of ethnic origin.

viewpoint wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 7:05pm:

ENGLISH IS SUCH A DIFFICULT LANGUAGE

One of the most difficult languages to learn in the world - and for several reasons.

The English language is a conglomeration of other (thieved) languages that has also change over time.

I cant recall who said this, but it sums up the English language perfectly

"The Greek language for example has a set of grammatical and phonetic rules and conventions that are logical and don't change...The English language has illogical rules and conventions which also change"

(just remembered it was Lindsay Tanner)

Soren wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 1:49pm:

The findings of the study published in The Lancet and referred to by the program: Findings Of 11 396 babies for whom questionnaire data were available, 386 (3%) had a congenital anomaly. Rates for congenital anomaly were 305·74 per 10 000 livebirths, compared with a national rate of 165·90 per 10 000. The risk was greater for mothers of Pakistani origin than for those of white British origin (univariate RR 1·96, 95% CI 1·56–2·46). Overall, 2013 (18%) babies were the offspring of first-cousin unions. These babies were mainly of Pakistani origin—1922 (37%) of 5127 babies of Pakistani origin had parents in first-cousin unions. Consanguinity was associated with a doubling of risk for congenital anomaly (multivariate RR 2·19, 95% CI 1·67–2·85); we noted no association with increasing deprivation. 31% of all anomalies in children of Pakistani origin could be attributed to consanguinity. We noted a similar increase in risk for mothers of white British origin older than 34 years (multivariate RR 1·83, 95% CI 1·14–3·00). Maternal education to degree level was protective (0·53, 95% CI 0·38–0·75), irrespective of ethnic origin.

"We noted a similar increase in risk for mothers of white British origin older than 34 years " - funny how you didn't highlight that bit.  Could it because you're bigoted?   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Statistics aren't my area but there is the old, "lies, damned lies and statistics" moment here.  "Doubling" from 3% to 6% of births.  Doesn't appear to be much, does it?   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 5:49pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 1:49pm: The findings of the study published in The Lancet and referred to by the program: Findings Of 11 396 babies for whom questionnaire data were available, 386 (3%) had a congenital anomaly. Rates for congenital anomaly were 305·74 per 10 000 livebirths, compared with a national rate of 165·90 per 10 000. The risk was greater for mothers of Pakistani origin than for those of white British origin (univariate RR 1·96, 95% CI 1·56–2·46). Overall, 2013 (18%) babies were the offspring of first-cousin unions. These babies were mainly of Pakistani origin—1922 (37%) of 5127 babies of Pakistani origin had parents in first-cousin unions. Consanguinity was associated with a doubling of risk for congenital anomaly (multivariate RR 2·19, 95% CI 1·67–2·85); we noted no association with increasing deprivation. 31% of all anomalies in children of Pakistani origin could be attributed to consanguinity. We noted a similar increase in risk for mothers of white British origin older than 34 years (multivariate RR 1·83, 95% CI 1·14–3·00). Maternal education to degree level was protective (0·53, 95% CI 0·38–0·75), irrespective of ethnic origin. "We noted a similar increase in risk for mothers of white British origin older than 34 years " - funny how you didn't highlight that bit.  Could it because you're bigoted?   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

ANd that's for the 'older mothers' thread, Tits. This is the 'young Pakis marrying dad's brother's kids' thread.

Focus, bozo.

Poor attempt at deflection there, Soren but typical for you.  So, if the rate of abnormality  is bad for Muslims, why isn't it bad for White British women?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 11:50pm:

Poor attempt at deflection there, Soren but typical for you.  So, if the rate of abnormality  is bad for Muslims, why isn't it bad for White British women?   ::)

It is bad. They are advised of it.

But most importantly, it's not a 'cultural custom' rooted in backward tribal, village mentality.

Inbreeding is a real problem for some countries/cultures.
My wife works at a childrens hospital and they have to refer many people to genetic counseling and yes it is more of a problem for certain groups.
Why you would bother posting that information on an inbred Australian forum makes me wonder.
It would be much better if you went in person and delivered that information at the Mosque or local Islamic school

miketrees wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 7:37am:

Inbreeding is a real problem for some countries/cultures. My wife works at a childrens hospital and they have to refer many people to genetic counseling and yes it is more of a problem for certain groups. Why you would bother posting that information on an inbred Australian forum makes me wonder. It would be much better if you went in person and delivered that information at the Mosque or local Islamic school

LOL

Yes, yes, our moslem 'brothers' at the mosque/ISLAMIC school, would be very receptive to a message like that [.... a message like that, coming from filthy infidels] !!!      .....NOT!

;D

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 11:50pm:

Poor attempt at deflection there, Soren but typical for you.  So, if the rate of abnormality  is bad for Muslims, why isn't it bad for White British women?   ::)

Brian, Bigot, why do you bother to post?

A rough estimate shows that close to half of the world’s Muslims are inbred as a result of consanguineous marriages. In Pakistan, 70 percent of all marriages are between first cousins – children of siblings – and in Turkey the share is 25-30 percent.

Statistical research on Arabic countries indicates that up to 34 percent of all marriages in Algeria are blood-related as are 46 percent in Bahrain, 33 percent in Egypt, 80 percent in Nubia (the southern part of Egypt), 60 percent in Iraq, 64 percent in Jordan, 64 percent in Kuwait, 42 percent in Lebanon, 48 percent in Libya, 47 percent in Mauritania, 54 percent in Qatar, 67 percent in Saudi Arabia, 63 percent in Sudan, 40 percent in Syria, 39 percent in Tunisia, 54 percent in the United Arabic Emirates and 45 percent in Yemen. According to Dr. Nadia Sakati of King Faisal Specialist Hospital in Riyadh, 45 percent of married Arab couples are blood-related.  The fact that many of these couples are themselves children of blood-related parents increases the risk of negative consequences.

The number of blood-related marriages is lower among Muslim immigrants living in the West.
Among Pakistanis living in Denmark the number is down to 40 percent and it is 15 percent among Turkish immigrants. This may be due to the fact that immigration rules make it difficult to import family-related brides. Another factor may be better information on the risks connected with blood-related marriages. Because of better human rights protection it is also more difficult for traditional Muslim families to force their children to marry within the family.


http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/05/28/psychologist-serious-consequences-of-muslim-inbreeding/

But there is one culture, one faux "religion," that expressly condones and encourages consanguineous marriage and breeding.  That system is Islam, and the document that explicitly ratifies incest is the Koran, specifically Sura 4 verse 23:



Prohibited for you (in marriage) are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, the sisters of your fathers, the sisters of your mothers, the daughters of your brother, the daughters of your sister, your nursing mothers, the girls who nursed from the same woman as you, the mothers of your wives, the daughters of your wives with whom you have consummated the marriage -- if the marriage has not been consummated, you may marry the daughter. Also prohibited for you are the women who were married to your genetic sons. Also, you shall not be married to two sisters at the same time -- but do not break up existing marriages.


Sounds like an exhaustive list -- but it is not.  It is the most lax incest prohibition in all of human culture.  There is a massive omission: cousins only once removed.  In the Muslim culture, marriage and breeding between first cousins has existed since day one.  Mohammed himself married Zaynab, who was his father's sister's daughter.  Mohammed and Zaynab were direct first cousins.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/the_keystone_of_the_islamic_mi.html

Did you know Brian Cuvnt, was a term of endearment in the 16th century and could not be used as a swear word! As we move forward in time words take on different meanings. So bigot how do you and your cabal intend to move into the present.

It appears I have made a Freudian slip in my punctuation, oh dear I am sure it will not be noticed.

Inbreeding was light years before Prophet Mohamed,

Prophet Abraham married his cousin Sarah,
Prophet Isaac married his cousin Rebecca,
Prophet Jacob married his cousin Rachel

wally1 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Inbreeding was light years before Prophet Mohamed, Prophet Abraham married his cousin Sarah,

As Abraham did not exist how could he have married?

Please enlighten us plagiarist.

This is of course for the edification of all!

Adamant wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 3:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 11:50pm: Poor attempt at deflection there, Soren but typical for you.  So, if the rate of abnormality  is bad for Muslims, why isn't it bad for White British women?   ::) Brian, Bigot, why do you bother to post?

'cause I know it annoys people such as yourself whom are actually bigots?  I'm a great believer in the quote malattributed to Edmund Burke, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"  You might believe that religious persecution is OK, most people don't.  There are no excuses IMHO for any form of persecution.   ::)

Adamant wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 7:14pm:

wally1 wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 6:46pm: Inbreeding was light years before Prophet Mohamed, Prophet Abraham married his cousin Sarah, As Abraham did not exist how could he have married? Please enlighten us plagiarist. This is of course for the edification of all!

Prove he didn't exist

Adamant wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 7:14pm:

wally1 wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 6:46pm: Inbreeding was light years before Prophet Mohamed, Prophet Abraham married his cousin Sarah, As Abraham did not exist how could he have married? Please enlighten us plagiarist. This is of course for the edification of all!

Why do you believe Mohamed existed and married his cousin but Abraham didn't exist?

|dev|null wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 5:49pm:

"Doubling" from 3% to 6% of births.  Doesn't appear to be much, does it?   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

You don't think that having 6% of children born with a congenital abnormality is significant?


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Inbreeding was light years before Prophet Mohamed,

So you are trying to excuse rampant inbreeding across the Muslim world, attributable at least partly to Muhammed marrying his first cousin, by throwing back even further?

wally1 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 7:53pm:

Adamant wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 7:14pm: wally1 wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 6:46pm: Inbreeding was light years before Prophet Mohamed, Prophet Abraham married his cousin Sarah, As Abraham did not exist how could he have married? Please enlighten us plagiarist. This is of course for the edification of all! Prove he didn't exist

Why proffer a counter-question as an answer?
I asked the question first wally, why won't you answer it, unable to plagiarise this time are you wally!

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 7:28pm:

I'm a great believer in the quote malattributed to Edmund Burke

Do you mean erroneously, wrongfully or misattributed?


Brian Ross wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 7:28pm:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"

I do agree, but you and your cohorts are the ones who refuse to act, you and your ilk are todays fifth column. Your left wing diatribe knows no bounds.

You are not a "GOOD  MAN"

The Barbarians are at the Gates, you are helping to open them!


This is what Burke DID say "There is, however, a limit at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue"

PS Checked up yet what Bigot means? No, thought not! Bigot

Adamant wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2013 at 7:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 7:28pm: I'm a great believer in the quote malattributed to Edmund Burke Do you mean erroneously, wrongfully or misattributed? Brian Ross wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 7:28pm: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" I do agree, but you and your cohorts are the ones who refuse to act, you and your ilk are todays fifth column. Your left wing diatribe knows no bounds.

Actually, the point is my Left Wing views (which are actually only mildly Left of Centre) do know bounds.  It is people such as yourself who refuse to respect any bounds, believing you have carte blanche to engage in persecution on the basis of your prejudices.   ::)


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You are not a "GOOD  MAN"

I disagree.  I believe I am indeed a good man.  I believe in giving everybody a fair go, even you.   With each post you make you prove my viewpoint is correct.


Quote:

The Barbarians are at the Gates, you are helping to open them!

As your viewpoint is invariably barbaric, I believe the Barbarians are already inside the gates.


Quote:

This is what Burke DID say "There is, however, a limit at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue" PS Checked up yet what Bigot means? No, thought not! Bigot

Quote:

bigot Pronunciation: /ˈbɪgət/ Translate bigot | into German | into Italian | into Spanish noun     a person who is bigoted:          religious bigots          he was a fanatical bigot Origin: late 16th century (denoting a superstitious religious hypocrite): from French, of unknown origin

[url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/bigot]Source[/url]

Perhaps you're using a different dictionary to the rest of us?   ::)

Adamant wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2013 at 11:01am:

Why proffer a counter-question as an answer?I asked the question first wally, why won't you answer it, unable to plagiarise this time are you wally!

Answer the simple question Wally, or go away if you find the truth too hard!

Adamant wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Adamant wrote on Nov 2nd, 2013 at 11:01am: Why proffer a counter-question as an answer?I asked the question first wally, why won't you answer it, unable to plagiarise this time are you wally! Answer the simple question Wally, or go away if you find the truth too hard!

Your the one who claimed that inbreeding started with islam, but I refuted you and said inbreeding happened way before even prophet Mohamed was born. Then you claim that Prophet Abraham doesn't exist.But you believe that Prophet Mohamed existed.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 1:01am:

Quote: This is what Burke DID say "There is, however, a limit at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue" PS Checked up yet what Bigot means? No, thought not! Bigot [quote] bigot Pronunciation: /ˈbɪgət/ Translate bigot | into German | into Italian | into Spanish noun     a person who is bigoted:          religious bigots          he was a fanatical bigot Origin: late 16th century (denoting a superstitious religious hypocrite): from French, of unknown origin

[url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/bigot]Source[/url]

Perhaps you're using a different dictionary to the rest of us?   ::)

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brian,

The only part of that dictionary entry which you quoted, which actually defines the meaning of the word 'bigot', is;

"a person who is bigoted:"

LOL





Try this definition brian;

The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379892909/9#9

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Dictionary; bigot = = 1  a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others. 2  a person who expresses an opinion/view which does not coincide with the opinion/views of Brian_Ross. Bigots, are those people who are, ".....intolerant of the opinions of others." brian, If the act of bigotry, involves being intolerant of the expressed opinions of others;

brian,

AGAIN I ASK YOU;

If the act of bigotry, involves being intolerant of the expressed opinions of others;

And if 'mainstream' ISLAM [within its published religious doctrine] expresses ISLAM's intolerance of the 'expressed opinions' of others [THAT IS; 'others' who do not want to become moslems]...

e.g.
"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193




Then brian, do you view ISLAM as being a purveyor of violent religious bigotry in the world ?

It is a serious question.

Yadda wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 5:04pm:

Try this definition brian; The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379892909/9#9 Quote: Dictionary; bigot = = 1  a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others. 2  a person who expresses an opinion/view which does not coincide with the opinion/views of Brian_Ross. Bigots, are those people who are, ".....intolerant of the opinions of others." brian, If the act of bigotry, involves being intolerant of the expressed opinions of others; brian, AGAIN I ASK YOU; If the act of bigotry, involves being intolerant of the expressed opinions of others; And if 'mainstream' ISLAM [within its published religious doctrine] expresses ISLAM's intolerance of the 'expressed opinions' of others [THAT IS; 'others' who do not want to become moslems]... e.g. "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...." Koran 3.85 "And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..." Koran 2.193 Then brian, do you view ISLAM as being a purveyor of violent religious bigotry in the world ? It is a serious question.

p.s.
brian,

I, Yadda, do not qualify as a religious bigot [see definition of a 'bigot', above], because i WANT moslems to broadcast their views about ISLAM, far and wide.

And i am happy for moslems to broadcast their [candid] views about ISLAM, far and wide.

Why so ?

Because i want lots and lots of people, to scrutinise how moslems describe ISLAM.

And i want lots and lots of people, to scrutinise what moslems say about ISLAM, and to scrutinise what ISLAM says about the nature of the relationship that moslems must have, with those who 'disbelieve'.





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"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

wally1 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

Adamant wrote on Nov 5th, 2013 at 3:42pm: Adamant wrote on Nov 2nd, 2013 at 11:01am: Why proffer a counter-question as an answer?I asked the question first wally, why won't you answer it, unable to plagiarise this time are you wally! Answer the simple question Wally, or go away if you find the truth too hard! Your the one who claimed that inbreeding started with islam, but I refuted you and said inbreeding happened way before even prophet Mohamed was born. Then you claim that Prophet Abraham doesn't exist.But you believe that Prophet Mohamed existed.

Is English your second language Wally?

wally1 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

Your the one who claimed that inbreeding started with islam

I never made that claim, you are telling porkies.


wally1 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

but I refuted you and said inbreeding happened way before even prophet Mohamed was born

How can you refute what I never stated. I have posted that inbreeding in muslim countries is rife today and that is fact!


wally1 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

Then you claim that Prophet Abraham doesn't exist

You made the claim-



wally1 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Prophet Abraham married his cousin Sarah

I made the statement of fact that Abraham could not have married because he never existed.

So the question still remains


Adamant wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 7:14pm:

As Abraham did not exist how could he have married?

Go for it Mo lovers!