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Message started by # on Oct 28th, 2013 at 3:17pm

Title: Germany: Zero net emissions by 2050?
Post by # on Oct 28th, 2013 at 3:17pm
Zero net emissions by 2050?

24 Oct 2013   by Craig Morris

Germany’s Energy Agency (Umweltbundesamt or UBA) has come up with a proposal for a 95 percent reduction of greenhouse gas emissions by 2050, far more than the country’s current goal of an 80 percent reduction. Craig Morris points out that the recommendations are intended not only for a German audience.


Agriculture might be the single biggest source of CO2 emissions by 2050. (Photo by southgeist, CC BY-SA 2.0)


The UBA has published a 32-page study in English investigating how Germany can go from around 10 tons of CO2-equivalent emissions per capita and year today to less than one ton by 2050. And it wouldn’t be Germany if the proposal did not specify that “we do not need nuclear power or underground CO2 sequestration” [carbon capture and storage, CCS].


Germany has reduced its carbon emissions substantially over the past two decades about but can it become nearly carbon-neutral by midcentury? (Source: UBA)


Since Germany has little further hydropower and geothermal potential, we are left with biomass, wind, and solar. And the UBA says it “sees no future in cultivated biomass,” meaning dedicated energy crops. Instead, the focus will be on energy from waste. And since the word “lignocellulosic” does not occur in the study (nor does “woody biomass,” the layman term), we can assume that the UBA also sees no options for what is now being sold as “advanced biomass.”

The UBA thus believes Germany will have to make it with wind and solar primarily – a sobering conclusion when we consider the amount of power that will need to be stored in the process. But the UBA turns this challenge into an opportunity when it calls for excess renewable power to be stored as fuel to power the remaining non-electric vehicles along with planes, ships, and trucks.

Industry is often overlooked when the potential of renewables is discussed, but the UBA believes that the sector’s primary type of demand – space heating and process heat – can also largely come from renewable electricity and synthetic gas from excess renewable power. That still leaves out the petroleum-based feedstock materials consumed by industry, which would also need to be substituted with “hydrocarbons generated from renewable energy.”

Here, we see that the study takes a larger approach than just energy – and finds that “the largest emitter in 2050 might turn out to be agriculture.” In fact, the 2050 scenario has agriculture making up more than half of the emissions pie at 35 million tons of carbon equivalent out of a total of 60. This sector can only reduce its emissions even further if less cattle – a major source of methane – are raised, which would mean not only a further reduction in red meat consumption, but also dairy products.

Though no chapter is devoted to it, efficiency is a theme throughout the study. Overall, the UBA sees final energy consumption falling from just over 2,600 TWh to around 1,300 TWh by 2050 – without a reduction in economic growth or standards of living.

Still, a reduction from 10 to just under one ton per capita per year would mark a more than 90 percent reduction, not 100 percent. To go the full distance, the UBA says that “the last remaining tonne per capita could be offset by reduction measures outside Germany.” But of course, it is also possible to export emissions, such as when cattle farming is reduced but meat consumption remains unchanged, thereby increasing meat imports. In that case, Germany might be 95 percent carbon-free domestically but have a greater impact overall.

In the end, the study is not really about what Germany can do, however, but about what “large industrialized countries” can. Germany is often ridiculed for its poor solar and wind conditions. Does that mean that if Germany can do it, it will be so much easier for so many other countries?

Title: Re: Germany: Zero net emissions by 2050?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Oct 28th, 2013 at 3:24pm
Attack with ideas.... it's all

combination

Title: Re: Germany: Zero net emissions by 2050?
Post by Innocent bystander on Oct 28th, 2013 at 5:30pm
This could be done, of course it will require all of Germanys annual budget be redirected to subsidizing crazy green schemes instead of health, education, welfare and all of those other annoying budgetary constraints that hold back renewable energys emergence as an alternative to fossil fuels.
Australia has shown that it is possible though if you cut enough poor people off from the grid and use that money to buy solar panels for the well off instead.  ::)

Title: Re: Germany: Zero net emissions by 2050?
Post by progressiveslol on Oct 28th, 2013 at 5:57pm
Germany. What can you say. They go from following hitler to following some other idiot who will lead them down the garden path for zero gain.

Australia, thank christ we have Abbott who will refuse to allow his Australian people to be such sheepish idiots on a path to destruction.

Title: Re: Germany: Zero net emissions by 2050?
Post by # on Oct 28th, 2013 at 8:11pm

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 28th, 2013 at 5:30pm:
This could be done, of course it will require all of Germanys annual budget be redirected ...

You can substantiate that assertion, can't you?  ::)

Title: Re: Germany: Zero net emissions by 2050?
Post by # on Oct 28th, 2013 at 8:13pm

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 28th, 2013 at 5:57pm:
... following hitler ...

... we have Abbott ...

Indeed, we have Abbott. The Germans no longer have Hitler.

Revealing that you put the two in such close proximity.

Title: Re: Germany: Zero net emissions by 2050?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Oct 29th, 2013 at 12:30am

# wrote on Oct 28th, 2013 at 8:13pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 28th, 2013 at 5:57pm:
... following hitler ...

... we have Abbott ...

Indeed, we have Abbott. The Germans no longer have Hitler.

Revealing that you put the two in such close proximity.

People who can't look their own kids in the eye voted for both  8-)

Title: Re: Germany: Zero net emissions by 2050?
Post by Ajax on Oct 29th, 2013 at 7:46am

# wrote on Oct 28th, 2013 at 8:13pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 28th, 2013 at 5:57pm:
... following hitler ...

... we have Abbott ...

Indeed, we have Abbott. The Germans no longer have Hitler.
Revealing that you put the two in such close proximity.


Your forgetting the world still has Nazis who this time will control us not through war but through crazy stupid vechiles like the anthropogenic global warming religion and others.

Do you really want to hand Australia's resource over to the UN & the IPCC.

They even tell you guys what they're all about yet you will not listen.


Quote:
In November 2010, German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer stated about climate policy........


"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this.

One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."

Title: Re: Germany: Zero net emissions by 2050?
Post by # on Oct 29th, 2013 at 2:53pm

Ajax wrote on Oct 29th, 2013 at 7:46am:

# wrote on Oct 28th, 2013 at 8:13pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 28th, 2013 at 5:57pm:
... following hitler ...

... we have Abbott ...

Indeed, we have Abbott. The Germans no longer have Hitler.
Revealing that you put the two in such close proximity.


Your forgetting the world still has Nazis who this time will control us not through war but through crazy stupid vechiles like the anthropogenic global warming religion and others.
...
Ahh, yes, I forgot the conspiracy(ies). How silly of me.  ::)

Title: Re: Germany: Zero net emissions by 2050?
Post by Honky on Oct 29th, 2013 at 3:01pm
As usual, the germaniacs light the way for the rest of us...IF we are smart enough to follow.

Title: Re: Germany: Zero net emissions by 2050?
Post by Ajax on Oct 30th, 2013 at 9:25am

# wrote on Oct 29th, 2013 at 2:53pm:

Ajax wrote on Oct 29th, 2013 at 7:46am:

# wrote on Oct 28th, 2013 at 8:13pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 28th, 2013 at 5:57pm:
... following hitler ...

... we have Abbott ...

Indeed, we have Abbott. The Germans no longer have Hitler.
Revealing that you put the two in such close proximity.


Your forgetting the world still has Nazis who this time will control us not through war but through crazy stupid vechiles like the anthropogenic global warming religion and others.
...
Ahh, yes, I forgot the conspiracy(ies). How silly of me.  ::)


AAArrrhhhh yes the old conspiracy theory trick just throw it in the looney bin.

Is it a conspiracy to ask why 10% of Australia's carbon tax revenue is going to the United Nations Environmental Fund...???

Is it a conspiracy theory to ask why should we trust computer circulation forecasts into the future when they can't predict what has happened in the last 15 years...???

Is it a conspiracy theory to ask why we don't take action at grass roots level in curbing manmade CO2 emissions and instead have to join a $2 trillion dollar carbon credit derivatives market on wall street....???

Is it a conspiracy theory to ask that the science is not settled....???

When real world observations are telling us something different to computer circulation models.....???

Is it a conspiracy theory to ask about climatgate.....???

I could go on but you get the picture....!!!!

Title: Re: Germany: Zero net emissions by 2050?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:33am
Socratic method is good good good good good goodgood  ;D

Title: Re: Germany: Zero net emissions by 2050?
Post by muso on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:40am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:33am:
Socratic method is good good good good good goodgood  ;D



Be kind to Ajax. You're baffling him with philosophy. Try simple arithmetic.

Title: Re: Germany: Zero net emissions by 2050?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:51am

muso wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:40am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:33am:
Socratic method is good good good good good goodgood  ;D



Be kind to Ajax. You're baffling him with philosophy. Try simple arithmetic.

He knows... he's just pretending he can hide behind his crack pipe like the rest of the lost generation that was dealt a poo sandwich: it's all kubler-ross!
The facts are THIS GENERATION WAS DEALT A POO SANDWICH and no advance can be made without acknowledging this as base.....  :-[

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