Federal Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce says the live export regulation system is working, despite new footage showing Australian sheep being mistreated in the Middle East. .. . .

.. . . .But Mr Joyce defended the supply chain safeguard.

"We have designed a system to try as much as we can to deal with this issue, so Australian sheep are not treated in this way," he said.

"What we also have to make sure is we don't overreact, there is a continual monitoring process, a process that deals with it."

Mr Joyce told a conference of beef and sheep producers and exporters in Townsville this morning that [highlight]the Government will scrap an independent animal welfare supervisor position which was promised by the former government to monitor the humane treatment of live exports.[/highlight]

Monitor the treatment of animals?

I thought you'd just have to sit in the back with a semi load of sheep on a 40’C day. No need to go over seas.

Translation:

We don't give a bugger

We were made in Gods image & are the only sentient beings on this earth.

Animals are here as our servants & food & sure a hell do not have souls or go to heaven therefore can be treated anyway without repercussions.

Besides its a good little money spinner.

It's neither a good look nor a good policy. But Barnaby is right when he says you can't legislate or regulate for everything.
Personally I would ban any live exports to third world countries that didn't comply with our standards and hope not to lynched by NT & Qld farmers.

FriYAY wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Monitor the treatment of animals? I thought you'd just have to sit in the back with a semi load of sheep on a 40’C day. No need to go over seas.

same with our chickens.. ::) ::)

do we care REALLY.. do we eat lamb? do we eat eggs? do we eat drug induced chickens that are artificially made to grow fast.

lets be realistic.. he who is

WITHOUT SIN SHALL CAST THE FIRST STONE.

thats why I dont condemn the Japanese for killing the whales...

and dont get me started on our 'children' >:(

bogy when we get our own backyard pristine..maybe then we can critise others.. maybe they are disgusted by our treatment of caged hens.or truck loads of cattle and sheep bouncing over many kilometers of unlevel highway... it isnt a happy ride to the docks either from what I have read..

cods wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:00pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 1:41pm: Monitor the treatment of animals? I thought you'd just have to sit in the back with a semi load of sheep on a 40’C day. No need to go over seas. same with our chickens.. ::) ::) do we care REALLY.. do we eat lamb? do we eat eggs? do we eat drug induced chickens that are artificially made to grow fast. lets be realistic.. he who is WITHOUT SIN SHALL CAST THE FIRST STONE. thats why I dont condemn the Japanese for killing the whales... and dont get me started on our 'children' >:( bogy when we get our own backyard pristine..maybe then we can critise others.. maybe they are disgusted by our treatment of caged hens.or truck loads of cattle and sheep bouncing over many kilometers of unlevel highway... it isnt a happy ride to the docks either from what I have read..

no one is complaining about how they eat their sheep Cods, boiled fried or baked, no one cares ...

it's about how they kill them. We eat chickens, eggs and beef, but we never slit the beasts throat and wait for them to bleed out 2 hours later

having said that, I think once we sell them it is not our place to dictate to them how to treat them. You can either sell them and shut up, or not sell them. You can't have it both ways.

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 2:43pm:

Personally I would ban any live exports to third world countries that didn't comply with our standards

I'D ban live exports - FULL STOP

I guess you're a vegetarian then?

John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:05pm:

cods wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 3:00pm: FriYAY wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 1:41pm: Monitor the treatment of animals? I thought you'd just have to sit in the back with a semi load of sheep on a 40’C day. No need to go over seas. same with our chickens.. ::) ::) do we care REALLY.. do we eat lamb? do we eat eggs? do we eat drug induced chickens that are artificially made to grow fast. lets be realistic.. he who is WITHOUT SIN SHALL CAST THE FIRST STONE. thats why I dont condemn the Japanese for killing the whales... and dont get me started on our 'children' >:( bogy when we get our own backyard pristine..maybe then we can critise others.. maybe they are disgusted by our treatment of caged hens.or truck loads of cattle and sheep bouncing over many kilometers of unlevel highway... it isnt a happy ride to the docks either from what I have read.. no one is complaining about how they eat their sheep Cods, boiled fried or baked, no one cares ... it's about how they kill them. We eat chickens, eggs and beef, but we never slit the beasts throat and wait for them to bleed out 2 hours later having said that, I think once we sell them it is not our place to dictate to them how to treat them. You can either sell them and shut up, or not sell them. You can't have it both ways.

go back and read it carefully.

I WAS REFERRING TO THE WAY THEY ARE TREATED DURING THEIR LIFETIME>..

not the way we bloody cook them when they are dead..


and I am not sure how our style of killing is anything that you would like to go through either????????

they stun pigs dont they then slit their throats whilst they are still breathing.??..

you obviously think traveling hundreds of kl from some cattle station out in the west in 40 deg heat in a truck, must be  fun... >:(

at last we agree on something... do we stop doing business with other countries.. that treat their women and girls worse than cattle???????

buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:10pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 2:43pm: Personally I would ban any live exports to third world countries that didn't comply with our standards I'D ban live exports - FULL STOP

our standards AINT that HIGH...we just think they are.

cods wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:00pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 1:41pm: Monitor the treatment of animals? I thought you'd just have to sit in the back with a semi load of sheep on a 40’C day. No need to go over seas. same with our chickens.. ::) ::) do we care REALLY.. do we eat lamb? do we eat eggs? do we eat drug induced chickens that are artificially made to grow fast. lets be realistic.. he who is WITHOUT SIN SHALL CAST THE FIRST STONE. thats why I dont condemn the Japanese for killing the whales... and dont get me started on our 'children' >:( bogy when we get our own backyard pristine..maybe then we can critise others.. maybe they are disgusted by our treatment of caged hens.or truck loads of cattle and sheep bouncing over many kilometers of unlevel highway... it isnt a happy ride to the docks either from what I have read..

Well the first step logically would be to ban live exports all together.  After all, you are right when you say we can hardly criticise when our live export industry exploits for profit the ongoing cruel treatment of defenceless animals.

Whilst there is no dispute that our standards need to be constantly reviewed, moderated and improved upon - we can only exercise and demonstrate those practices with the animals that we own. In effect, we can put any kind of dressing around what happens in the Live Export Industry, but, once the money has changed hands it seems evident that so to does any influence of what happens to the Livestock and acts of extreme cruelty continue to be perpetrated.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 2:26pm:

Translation: We don't give a bugger We were made in Gods image & are the only sentient beings on this earth. Animals are here as our servants & food & sure a hell do not have souls or go to heaven therefore can be treated anyway without repercussions. Besides its a good little money spinner.

One a set of people get to play high horse on this, Vegans.

If you're not vegan i think you should STFU...... :-X

FriYAY wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:44pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 2:26pm: Translation: We don't give a bugger We were made in Gods image & are the only sentient beings on this earth. Animals are here as our servants & food & sure a hell do not have souls or go to heaven therefore can be treated anyway without repercussions. Besides its a good little money spinner. One a set of people get to play high horse on this, Vegans. If you're not vegan i think you should STFU...... :-X

Rather an odd stance to take.

cods wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 3:05pm: cods wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 3:00pm: FriYAY wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 1:41pm: Monitor the treatment of animals? I thought you'd just have to sit in the back with a semi load of sheep on a 40’C day. No need to go over seas. same with our chickens.. ::) ::) do we care REALLY.. do we eat lamb? do we eat eggs? do we eat drug induced chickens that are artificially made to grow fast. lets be realistic.. he who is WITHOUT SIN SHALL CAST THE FIRST STONE. thats why I dont condemn the Japanese for killing the whales... and dont get me started on our 'children' >:( bogy when we get our own backyard pristine..maybe then we can critise others.. maybe they are disgusted by our treatment of caged hens.or truck loads of cattle and sheep bouncing over many kilometers of unlevel highway... it isnt a happy ride to the docks either from what I have read.. no one is complaining about how they eat their sheep Cods, boiled fried or baked, no one cares ... it's about how they kill them. We eat chickens, eggs and beef, but we never slit the beasts throat and wait for them to bleed out 2 hours later having said that, I think once we sell them it is not our place to dictate to them how to treat them. You can either sell them and shut up, or not sell them. You can't have it both ways. go back and read it carefully. I WAS REFERRING TO THE WAY THEY ARE TREATED DURING THEIR LIFETIME>.. not the way we bloody cook them when they are dead.. and I am not sure how our style of killing is anything that you would like to go through either???????? they stun pigs dont they then slit their throats whilst they are still breathing.??.. I thought they got a metal rod straight through the brain ... instant death you obviously think traveling hundreds of kl from some cattle station out in the west in 40 deg heat in a truck, must be  fun... >:( neither is it fun for humans to be travelling long distances on a train or plane, but we do it (at least I always find it uncomfortable) .. I think it's ridiculous to suggest they may be uncomfortable. at last we agree on something... do we stop doing business with other countries.. that treat their women and girls worse than cattle???????

I guess this thread plummeting down the list quickly highlights how much animal cruelty does not really bother many people.

This stuff will continue as long as we (as a Nation) support and continue with Live Exports of Sheep and Cattle.

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 2:59pm:

I guess this thread plummeting down the list quickly highlights how much animal cruelty does not really bother many people. This stuff will continue as long as we (as a Nation) support and continue with Live Exports of Sheep and Cattle.

Oh FFS.

Get behind a dam sheep truck on a 40’C day headed to the local abattoirs. The putrid stench, the sheep packed in standing for hours on end in a moving vehicle, their legs shaking.

If you eat meat, then commenting on “live export” being cruel is hypocrisy personified.

Killing animals to eat is never going to be nice for the animal, locally or over seas.

FriYAY wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 3:20pm:

Killing animals to eat is never going to be nice for the animal, locally or over seas.

BULLSH!T

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pq5MWLZyII


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DP3YtCpS2A

The 1st couple of seconds on the 2nd also show how it should be done.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 3:35pm:

FriYAY wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 3:20pm: Killing animals to eat is never going to be nice for the animal, locally or over seas. BULLSH!T https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pq5MWLZyII https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DP3YtCpS2A The 1st couple of seconds on the 2nd also show how it should be done.

Oh yes you win, killing animals locally is nice for the dam animal.

You’ve lost the dam plot man.

Go tape up your dam head.

FriYAY wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 3:40pm:

Oh yes you win, killing animals locally is nice for the dam animal.

Who said it was nice?
Its bad for the animal no matter what
However being knocked unconscious in a instant then never waking up V up to 30 minutes to bleed out as you stumble around in your own blood whilst being beaten.

What do you reckon.

FriYAY wrote on Nov 1^st, 2013 at 3:20pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 2:59pm: I guess this thread plummeting down the list quickly highlights how much animal cruelty does not really bother many people. This stuff will continue as long as we (as a Nation) support and continue with Live Exports of Sheep and Cattle. Oh FFS. Get behind a dam sheep truck on a 40’C day headed to the local abattoirs. The putrid stench, the sheep packed in standing for hours on end in a moving vehicle, their legs shaking. If you eat meat, then commenting on “live export” being cruel is hypocrisy personified. Killing animals to eat is never going to be nice for the animal, locally or over seas.

Oh FFS, lol,

Read up on ethics please. Obviously if the end result is killing then yep that is a bad ending, but surely you understand that there are differences between a quick clean kill and a wide range of tortures prior to death.

Yes your point about transport of animals is excellent too by the way, I will go you one better though, do exactly what you suggest on a motor bike with either an open face helmet or the visor up on your full face one. You can right up close, and, chicken trucks are without doubt the worst of them.

We predominantly grow our own food too, not that you would have known that previously so I am in a slightly different position.

To try and shut down debate about this by simply dismissing it as "we don't do it so well either" or "if you eat meat blah blah," is in short being somewhat ignorant about the ethics behind the bigger picture.

It seems an issue that you do not really care about, and if that is the case that is fine. It is a curious thing though that you would attempt a diversion from a discussion simply because you don't care.

For my part I would greatly love to see animal cruelty stopped across the board, sadly it seems, the human species lacks the make up within itself to simply not be cruel though, I would like to see far more ethical practices implemented about the care of ALL animals and not just those we mass produce for food. Ethical treatment of food animals though would also be a fabulous change. Clearly though, the issue is both complex and many pronged, so, in effect, one can only work systematically through the issues.

Live Exporting of food stock animals has repeatedly been demonstrated as an extremely cruel practice for a wide range of reasons. Therefore, it seems simply logical as a good starting point to stop that heinous trade that, quite bluntly, profits from the exploitation of ongoing animal cruelty.

Once we get that one out of the road, I am sure we can then move on to finding some more ethical transporting and local butchering practices.

However, until then, BAN LIVE EXPORTS is the key issue that I am working towards.

We could just ban live exports, but that's not constructive.

Why can't we develop our own Halal slaughter industry? We would have better control over animal welfare, create value and employment within Australia and offer an alternative to livestock producers.

We live in the age where we can buy fresh produce from all over the world, shipped in by cargo 747. It's doable, surely?