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Title: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by Backseat_Pollie on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 7:30pm
A major US power company has pleaded guilty to killing eagles and other birds at two wind farms and agreed to pay $1 million as part of the first enforcement of laws protecting birds against wind energy facilities.
Until the settlement announced on Friday with Duke Energy and its renewable energy arm, no wind energy company had been prosecuted for a death of an eagle or other protected bird. The company pleaded guilty to killing 14 eagles and 149 other birds at its Top of the World and Campbell Hill wind farms outside Casper, Wyoming. The deaths, which included golden eagles, hawks, blackbirds, wrens and sparrows, occurred from 2009 to 2013. "Wind energy is not green if it is killing hundreds of thousands of birds," said George Fenwick, president of the American Bird Conservancy, which supports properly sited wind farms. Wind farms are clusters of turbines as tall as 30-storey buildings, with spinning rotors as wide as a passenger jet's wingspan. The blades can reach speeds up to 270km/h at the tips, creating tornado-like vortexes. Eagles are especially vulnerable because they don't look up as they scan the ground for food, failing to notice the blades until it's too late. "No form of energy generation, or human activity for that matter, is completely free of impacts, and wind energy is no exception," the American Wind Energy Association said in a statement. The case against Duke Energy and Duke Energy Renewables was the first prosecuted under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act against a wind energy company. The Obama administration has used the law against oil companies and power companies for drowning and electrocuting birds. Once a wind farm is built, there is little a company can do to stop the deaths. As part of the agreement, Duke will continue to use field biologists to shut down turbines when eagles get too close. It will install radar technology similar to what is used in Afghanistan to track missiles. And it will continue to report all bird deaths to the government. w w w . daily telegraph . com . au / news / breaking-news / us-wind-farm-guilty-of-killing-birds/story-fni0xqlk-1226766921714 (Remove spaces for link) |
Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by cods on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 7:56pm
270km/h a man made tornado....
not bad.. I did read where its against the law in USA to even own a feather from an Eagle. so to kill 14 must be a shocker... this cannot only be happening in Wyoming surely??? ::) Backseat_Pollie wrote on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 7:30pm:
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Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by Bam on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 10:21pm
We put safety mesh over fans to prevent injury. Why can't we do the same for a wind turbine?
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Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by Backseat_Pollie on Nov 24th, 2013 at 5:20am Bam wrote on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 10:21pm:
Birds don't need to come into contact with the fan blades to be killed or injured. Just being in close proximity can literally tear them apart. |
Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by Kat on Nov 24th, 2013 at 5:27am
Shame they don't kill 'NIMBIES'.
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Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by Backseat_Pollie on Nov 24th, 2013 at 5:57am Kat wrote on Nov 24th, 2013 at 5:27am:
Then why don't YOU put one in YOUR back yard and see if you can sleep at night when they're spinning? You know how much power one wind generator made in an entire day in one of the biggest wind farms in the UK? Just enough to boil a single kettle of water. Wind power is financially unviable (needing massive subsidies) and is extremely unreliable. Oh and by the way, you know what they use when the wind is too low to turn the fans? That's right - a diesel generator! |
Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by Swagman on Nov 24th, 2013 at 8:47am |
Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by Oh_Yeah on Nov 24th, 2013 at 9:33am
With regard to bird fatalities, it says: "Wind turbines represent an insignificant fraction of the total number of bird deaths caused by man-made objects or activities (eg building structures, transmission lines, and keeping domestic cats)." According to the CSE, for every bird killed by a turbine, 5,820, on average, are killed striking buildings, typically glass windows.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/27/wind-energy-myths-turbines-bats So clearly this is just another Daily Telegraph beat up. The Murdoch media are an absolute disgrace. |
Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by thelastnail on Nov 24th, 2013 at 9:45am Quote:
http://www.treehugger.com/natural-sciences/4500-animals-killed-in-bp-spill-and-counting.html |
Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by Swagman on Nov 24th, 2013 at 9:47am
don't drive a car then..
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Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by thelastnail on Nov 24th, 2013 at 9:50am Swagman wrote on Nov 24th, 2013 at 9:47am:
then give us electric cars instead of smashing them up. :( http://www.evnut.com/ev1_crushed.htm |
Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by athos on Nov 24th, 2013 at 9:58am
American birds should be educated how to live with wind farms. Foe example Australian birds don't have this problem they happily poo on wind farms.
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Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by # on Nov 24th, 2013 at 10:03am
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Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by Swagman on Nov 24th, 2013 at 10:04am Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 24th, 2013 at 9:50am:
Get them your self. There's lots of you environmentally concerned climate alarmist lefties. Risk your hard earned cash and start manufacturing electric cars.... |
Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by buzzanddidj on Nov 24th, 2013 at 10:15am Backseat_Pollie wrote on Nov 24th, 2013 at 5:20am:
If this weren't SO FUNNY, it'd be ... ... oh, BLOODY HELL - it's STILL funny ! FIRSTLY, a turning turbine does NOT create WIND It is WIND - that makes a turbine turn SECONDLY, a turning turbine does NOT create SUCTION THEREFORE, a bird CANNOT be "sucked in" to a wind turbine From time to time, a bird may misjudge the distance and speed of a turbine blade - resulting in a collision MORE frequently, a bird will misjudge the speed and distance - of a moving vehicle, on a roadway |
Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by thelastnail on Nov 24th, 2013 at 10:26am Swagman wrote on Nov 24th, 2013 at 10:04am:
Us lefties have risked lots of our tax money but Holden and Ford keep making fossil fool junkheaps. How come ?? |
Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by Swagman on Nov 24th, 2013 at 10:37am Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 24th, 2013 at 10:26am:
Lefty governments. Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 24th, 2013 at 10:26am:
Risk your own cash though. It's not up to the tax payer. Invest it in electric car manufacturing. If they are so efficient and economical they will capture the market if not you will go broke.... :P ...and the sky will fall in.... ;D |
Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by Bam on Nov 24th, 2013 at 12:22pm Backseat_Pollie wrote on Nov 24th, 2013 at 5:20am:
If we need to keep the birds further away, just make the safety mesh bigger. ::) |
Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by buzzanddidj on Nov 24th, 2013 at 3:13pm buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 24th, 2013 at 10:15am:
Canada ranks top bird killers – wind turbines not even close to top 1 November 2013 Billion dollar businesses and billion dollar interests have a lot of money they can use to attack their up-and-coming competitors. Even if those competitors are driven by clear thinking and clean energy, money directed in an effective way can make them look bad. Promoting misinformation lacks integrity, but it’s very common within large industries and economic sectors. People are busy. They do not have the time to research each myth out there. Thus, we sometimes get fooled. The List of Top Bird Killers (via CBC): 1. Domestic and feral cats: 200 million 2. Power lines, collisions and electrocutions: 25 million 3. Collisions with houses or buildings: 25 million 4. Vehicle collisions: 14 million 5. Game bird hunting: 5 million 6. Agricultural pesticides 2.7 million 7. Agricultural mowing: 2.2 million young birds, equivalent to one million adult birds 8. Commercial forestry: 1.4 million nests, equivalent to 900,000 adult birds 9. Communications towers: 220,000 Wind power doesn’t even make the list above. Wind turbines have been increasingly improved in a way as to minimize bird deaths. We need wind power, and it’s nice to know that it’s not the big bird killer it’s made out to be. For sure, there is room for improvement, but there almost always is, and that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t use the best, cleanest, safest options we have. http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top-94095 |
Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by thelastnail on Nov 24th, 2013 at 4:16pm Swagman wrote on Nov 24th, 2013 at 10:37am:
f.ckoff will you. risk your own money he says. After all of the tens of billions that has been poured into making the same old gas guzzling fossil fool polluting crap from foreign companies that are going to close up anyway. what a f.cken cheek you have to say that :( |
Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by Armchair_Politician on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:59am buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 24th, 2013 at 10:15am:
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Title: Re: Proof that wind farms do kill birds Post by buzzanddidj on Nov 25th, 2013 at 8:34am Backseat_Pollie wrote on Nov 24th, 2013 at 5:20am:
... and it's not just BIRDS Won't SOMEONE think of the OTHER native fauna ! Many sheep owners have been reported hearing loud "popping" sounds during the night - whenever these MONSTERS are switched on - finding little trace of their animals in the morning Cows are being literally "blown away" ... ... only to be located, weeks later and kilometres away, as hideous mutations And WHY aren't the Greens letting us know the REAL power source that runs their giant fans ? Coal and nuclear FACT |
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