http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-storms-ahead-20131124-2y43r.html

I told the conga line the voters would not put up with Nazi Germany tactics  from the women basher.
Abbott is a total failure, and the voters know it. ;D ;D ;D

skippy. wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 5:39am:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-storms-ahead-20131124-2y43r.html I told the conga line the voters would not put up with Nazi Germany tactics  from the women basher. Abbott is a total failure, and the voters know it. ;D ;D ;D

Reported to moderators and you (and others) will be reported each time it is repeated. Sick of you repeating this lie of which he was not convicted by a court of law.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 5:46am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:39am: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-storms-ahead-20131124-2y43r.html I told the conga line the voters would not put up with Nazi Germany tactics  from the women basher. Abbott is a total failure, and the voters know it. ;D ;D ;D Reported to moderators and you (and others) will be reported each time it is repeated. Sick of you repeating this lie of which he was not convicted by a court of law.

;D ;D ;D ;D yes dear, the fact he has been accused by multi women of assault must really annoy you. I do love your dummy spit. ;D ;D ;D

Yep the woman basher is on the nose. I new Australians wouldn't accept this shite the con-alition are trying to dish up for long.

Bring on a DD election.

skippy. wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 5:39am:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-storms-ahead-20131124-2y43r.html I told the conga line the voters would not put up with Nazi Germany tactics  from the women basher. Abbott is a total failure, and the voters know it. ;D ;D ;D

and the sour grape party are smiling...

what a hoot.. remember the we can SMELL THE FEAR when the resurrecting happened...lolololol..

it doesnt much to bring out the lowest of the low on  here does it???..

____ wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 5:53am:

Yep the woman basher is on the nose. I new Australians wouldn't accept this shite the live are trying to dish out for long. Bring on a DD election.

whoops who would have thought... wheres kat then its complete.

three little bedbugs all together..

skippy. wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 5:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:46am: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:39am: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-storms-ahead-20131124-2y43r.html I told the conga line the voters would not put up with Nazi Germany tactics  from the women basher. Abbott is a total failure, and the voters know it. ;D ;D ;D Reported to moderators and you (and others) will be reported each time it is repeated. Sick of you repeating this lie of which he was not convicted by a court of law. ;D ;D ;D ;D yes dear, the fact he has been accused by multi women of assault must really annoy you. I do love your dummy spit. ;D ;D ;D

I don't mind that he was accused. I do mind the fact that he was not convicted, yet you continue to call him a woman basher despite this not being what the court decided. Continue with the lie and you will be reported each time.

me thinks the armchair pollie got out of the wrong side of the bed today

That's the trouble, once you get charged with something like that 'woman bashing' it sticks with you for life, more so if you're in the public eye. I'm surprised the Indonesian media haven't picked up on it yet.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:00am:

me thinks the armchair pollie got out of the wrong side of the bed today That's the trouble, once you get charged with something like that 'woman bashing' it sticks with you for life, more so if you're in the public eye. I'm surprised the Indonesian media haven't picked up on it yet.

That's your justification for repeating the lie? Pathetic...  ::)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 5:55am:

I don't mind that he was accused. I do mind the fact that he was not convicted, yet you continue to call him a woman basher despite this not being what the court decided. Continue with the lie and you will be reported each time.

Oh cool you can report people for lying?  Does that mean I can get people who call asylum seekers illegals banned?

Stratos wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:03am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:55am: I don't mind that he was accused. I do mind the fact that he was not convicted, yet you continue to call him a woman basher despite this not being what the court decided. Continue with the lie and you will be reported each time. Oh cool you can report people for lying?  Does that mean I can get people who call asylum seekers illegals banned?

No, the government calls them illegal immigrants. Check if you don't believe me.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:06am:

No, the government calls them illegal immigrants

No they don't.  Legally they are Irregular Maritime Arrivals.

Occasionally when people are in dog whistling mode they are called Illegal Arrivals, but not immigrants

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:02am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:00am: me thinks the armchair pollie got out of the wrong side of the bed today That's the trouble, once you get charged with something like that 'woman bashing' it sticks with you for life, more so if you're in the public eye. I'm surprised the Indonesian media haven't picked up on it yet. That's your justification for repeating the lie? Pathetic...  ::)

its their idea of TRUTH ap..

they do not see any difference..between being charged with assault.[at 20]. which can mean virtually anything..

and having the [b]CHARGE dismissed by the court...
[/b]
and someone receiving a life sentence.

of course if you name is Juliar Gillard and you are accused of helping your married lover help himself to thousands upon thousands of dollars that belonged to a WIDOWS FUND>..

they accept she was YOUNG AND NAIVE >>.at 32..

good old LABOR DOUBLE STANDARDS..at work. >:( >:(

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:06am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:03am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:55am: I don't mind that he was accused. I do mind the fact that he was not convicted, yet you continue to call him a woman basher despite this not being what the court decided. Continue with the lie and you will be reported each time. Oh cool you can report people for lying?  Does that mean I can get people who call asylum seekers illegals banned? No, the government calls them illegal immigrants. Check if you don't believe me.

"Illegal arrivals" is the spin from the con-alition for boat refugees.

like I said before the election...

never underestimate the stupidity of a lot of the electorate and that of Labors smear campaigns... its the one thing they are good at...

I don't think people like the bickering over the spying scandal, maybe they are scared of where it may escalate to...

but once again... this is Sabotage by Labor...

they've sabotaged the economy, household bills and international relations...

its going to take the best of the Liberals to get us out of them mess but Australians need to see it for what it is...

Labors Mess...

unfortunately, like I was saying above... there are a lot of Political illiterates out there and/or Rusted on Labor dumb bums... 

The carbon tax will be repealed, with or without shoddy polls

Independents 5%, up four and Others 6%, down 5.

Palmer's PUP losing it's shine ?

Sure it's only one poll and if it is reinforced in the future.

Greens, from their second best election result has gained over 20% extra support since the election.

____ wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:06am: Stratos wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:03am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:55am: I don't mind that he was accused. I do mind the fact that he was not convicted, yet you continue to call him a woman basher despite this not being what the court decided. Continue with the lie and you will be reported each time. Oh cool you can report people for lying?  Does that mean I can get people who call asylum seekers illegals banned? No, the government calls them illegal immigrants. Check if you don't believe me. "Illegal arrivals" is the spin from the con-alition for boat refugees.

No, it's called "calling a spade a spade". Something Labor & the Greens wouldn't know the first thing about, with them being all spin and no substance.

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:22am:

The carbon tax will be repealed, with or without shoddy polls

How.

You still have to replace the carbon levy with a better model or some cross benchers like MR X will vote against it's removal. It's not a done deal while the con-alition are dragging the extremely expensive and ineffective Direct Inaction.

The women basher may be revealed as a liar the rest of his term if the Levy remains and Abbott doesn't call a DD.

____ wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:25am:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:22am: The carbon tax will be repealed, with or without shoddy polls How. You still have to replace the carbon levy with a better model or some cross benchers like MR X will vote against it's removal. It's not a done deal while the con-alition are dragging the extremely expensive and ineffective Direct Inaction. The women basher may be revealed as a liar the rest of his term if the Levy remains and Abbott doesn't call a DD.

Because abbott will not be swayed by this obvious attempt at changing australian politics

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:23am:

____ wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:10am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:06am: Stratos wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:03am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:55am: I don't mind that he was accused. I do mind the fact that he was not convicted, yet you continue to call him a woman basher despite this not being what the court decided. Continue with the lie and you will be reported each time. Oh cool you can report people for lying?  Does that mean I can get people who call asylum seekers illegals banned? No, the government calls them illegal immigrants. Check if you don't believe me. "Illegal arrivals" is the spin from the con-alition for boat refugees. No, it's called "calling a spade a spade". Something Labor & the Greens wouldn't know the first thing about, with them being all spin and no substance.

It's not illegal considering the Chinese falun Gong refugees were accepted in Darwin last year and conservatives didn't call them illegal arrivals.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/refugees-in-darwin-intent-on-nz-20120410-1wmzs.html

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:23am:

No, it's called "calling a spade a spade". Something Labor & the Greens wouldn't know the first thing about, with them being all spin and no substance.

No its simply being right and being wrong. Calling them illegal immigrants is not only purely negative speak, it is also factually wrong.  Feel free to provide any evidence to the contrary.

By the way, how many Indonesians were polled??? Just wondering...

Stratos wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:29am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:23am: No, it's called "calling a spade a spade". Something Labor & the Greens wouldn't know the first thing about, with them being all spin and no substance. No its simply being right and being wrong. Calling them illegal immigrants is not only purely negative speak, it is also factually wrong.  Feel free to provide any evidence to the contrary.

Sure, attempting to enter Australian territory without a passport and visa is illegal, a breach of the Immigration Act.

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:28am:

____ wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:25am: progressiveslol wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:22am: The carbon tax will be repealed, with or without shoddy polls How. You still have to replace the carbon levy with a better model or some cross benchers like MR X will vote against it's removal. It's not a done deal while the con-alition are dragging the extremely expensive and ineffective Direct Inaction. The women basher may be revealed as a liar the rest of his term if the Levy remains and Abbott doesn't call a DD. Because abbott will not be swayed by this obvious attempt at changing australian politics

Whats that mean … he will not come out from under his rock for a DD unless his sex daughters hold his hand the whole time.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:30am:

Sure, attempting to enter Australian territory without a passport and visa is illegal, a breach of the Immigration Act.

It is overruled by this document we signed called the UN Convention on Refugees

1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of Article1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.

They are breaking no laws, committing no crimes. Also you said this.


Quote:

Sick of you repeating this lie of which he was not convicted by a court of law.

So you are willing to use this fact to save a prime minister but on the other hand are not using it to defend thousands of desperate people who come to our shores on boats.  A little consistency please

____ wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:31am:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:28am: ____ wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:25am: progressiveslol wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:22am: The carbon tax will be repealed, with or without shoddy polls How. You still have to replace the carbon levy with a better model or some cross benchers like MR X will vote against it's removal. It's not a done deal while the con-alition are dragging the extremely expensive and ineffective Direct Inaction. The women basher may be revealed as a liar the rest of his term if the Levy remains and Abbott doesn't call a DD. Because abbott will not be swayed by this obvious attempt at changing australian politics Whats that mean … he will not come out from under his rock for a DD unless his sex daughters hold his hand the whole time.

YOU GUTLESS poofter leave his family out of your s h I t posts >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

from the article:


Quote:

the quickest poll lead achieved by any federal opposition after losing an election.

  :)

Also, Greens back to where they were in 2010. So much for their terminal decline  ;D

Poor Bill Glasson - about to get his arse handed to him twice in a row.

woody2014 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:38am:

____ wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:31am: progressiveslol wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:28am: ____ wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:25am: progressiveslol wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:22am: The carbon tax will be repealed, with or without shoddy polls How. You still have to replace the carbon levy with a better model or some cross benchers like MR X will vote against it's removal. It's not a done deal while the con-alition are dragging the extremely expensive and ineffective Direct Inaction. The women basher may be revealed as a liar the rest of his term if the Levy remains and Abbott doesn't call a DD. Because abbott will not be swayed by this obvious attempt at changing australian politics Whats that mean … he will not come out from under his rock for a DD unless his sex daughters hold his hand the whole time. YOU GUTLESS poofter leave his family out of your s h I t posts >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Creepy Abbott sexed up his daughters … not me.



http://youtu.be/OmyoRNL0hrQ

Stratos wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:35am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:30am: Sure, attempting to enter Australian territory without a passport and visa is illegal, a breach of the Immigration Act. It is overruled by this document we signed called the UN Convention on Refugees 1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of Article1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence. They are breaking no laws, committing no crimes. Also you said this. Quote: Sick of you repeating this lie of which he was not convicted by a court of law. So you are willing to use this fact to save a prime minister but on the other hand are not using it to defend thousands of desperate people who come to our shores on boats.  A little consistency please

Yes, until their application for asylum is accepted or denied, they are classed as an illegal immigrant. If accepted as an asylum seeker, they are released. If denied, they are deported. No one ever said the act of seeking asylum is illegal, just the manner in which they attempt to enter this country.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 5:46am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:39am: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-storms-ahead-20131124-2y43r.html I told the conga line the voters would not put up with Nazi Germany tactics  from the women basher. Abbott is a total failure, and the voters know it. ;D ;D ;D Reported to moderators and you (and others) will be reported each time it is repeated. Sick of you repeating this lie of which he was not convicted by a court of law.

You Are A Dick!

Get over yourself, and get over that smacking grub you voted for.

Leave your partisan bias and have a bit of a think first.  one percent approval???  as this poll came up with this virtually impossible figure then it clearly shows the entire poll is seriously flawed. It is so flawed that there is reason to suggest that it is a lie.

Just read mark kennys article and you will see that even he is writing a seriously biased article.

it was in fact only a couple weeks ago that newspoll had labor falling even further behind.

cods wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 5:54am:

____ wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:53am: Yep the woman basher is on the nose. I new Australians wouldn't accept this shite the live are trying to dish out for long. Bring on a DD election. whoops who would have thought... wheres kat then its complete. three little bedbugs all together..

Oh, do go and get stuffed!!.

____ wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:22am:

Greens, from their second best election result has gained over 20% extra support since the election.

Yes, they have ever-increasing support all the time when it doesn't matter.
Come election time - different story. That's the real function of a protest party.

____ wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:44am:

woody2014 wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:38am: ____ wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:31am: progressiveslol wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:28am: ____ wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:25am: progressiveslol wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:22am: The carbon tax will be repealed, with or without shoddy polls How. You still have to replace the carbon levy with a better model or some cross benchers like MR X will vote against it's removal. It's not a done deal while the con-alition are dragging the extremely expensive and ineffective Direct Inaction. The women basher may be revealed as a liar the rest of his term if the Levy remains and Abbott doesn't call a DD. Because abbott will not be swayed by this obvious attempt at changing australian politics Whats that mean … he will not come out from under his rock for a DD unless his sex daughters hold his hand the whole time. YOU GUTLESS poofter leave his family out of your s h I t posts >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( Creepy Abbott sexed up his daughters … not me. http://youtu.be/OmyoRNL0hrQ

You're putrid, you really are. That's disgusting what you're suggesting and could not be further off the mark.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:44am:

they are classed as an illegal immigrant

No, they are classed as an "irregular maritime arrival"


Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:44am:

No one ever said the act of seeking asylum is illegal,

Which is why it is misleading to use the term illegal in any context surrounding them

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:44am:

just the manner in which they attempt to enter this country.

Which they cannot be punished for due to the treaty Australia has signed

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:47am:

Leave your partisan bias and have a bit of a think first.  one percent approval???  as this poll came up with this virtually impossible figure then it clearly shows the entire poll is seriously flawed. It is so flawed that there is reason to suggest that it is a lie. Just read mark kennys article and you will see that even he is writing a seriously biased article. it was in fact only a couple weeks ago that newspoll had labor falling even further behind.

Just like climate science ~ don't like it ~ deny it.

You deniers are pathetic.


And pay the charity the money you owe, you thief.

Soren wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:49am:

Yes, they have ever-increasing support all the time when it doesn't matter. Come election time - different story. That's the real function of a protest party

You realise Greens still maintain the power of balance in the Senate?  I'm sure you will when they try and block a bunch of legislation.

Besides, this could be an important time for polls, as the carbon tax repeal is set to be rejected by the senate, and Tony has said there could be a double dissolution if that happens

Kat wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:48am:

cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:54am: ____ wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:53am: Yep the woman basher is on the nose. I new Australians wouldn't accept this shite the live are trying to dish out for long. Bring on a DD election. whoops who would have thought... wheres kat then its complete. three little bedbugs all together.. Oh, do go and get stuffed!!.

lol I wasnt wrong and the d!ck proves it..

Kat wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:46am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:46am: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:39am: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-storms-ahead-20131124-2y43r.html I told the conga line the voters would not put up with Nazi Germany tactics  from the women basher. Abbott is a total failure, and the voters know it. ;D ;D ;D Reported to moderators and you (and others) will be reported each time it is repeated. Sick of you repeating this lie of which he was not convicted by a court of law. You Are A Dick! Get over yourself, and get over that smacking grub you voted for.

Aww, poor kitty-kat upset her party got thrashed! As you so eloquently put it, GET OVER IT! LOLOLOLOL!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Soren wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:49am:

____ wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:22am: Greens, from their second best election result has gained over 20% extra support since the election. Yes, they have ever-increasing support all the time when it doesn't matter. Come election time - different story. That's the real function of a protest party.

Second highest election result and now a bounce of 20% plus. Voters are waking up to con-alition election lies.

These same con-alition lies will not work next time.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:50am:

____ wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:44am: woody2014 wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:38am: ____ wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:31am: progressiveslol wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:28am: ____ wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:25am: progressiveslol wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:22am: The carbon tax will be repealed, with or without shoddy polls How. You still have to replace the carbon levy with a better model or some cross benchers like MR X will vote against it's removal. It's not a done deal while the con-alition are dragging the extremely expensive and ineffective Direct Inaction. The women basher may be revealed as a liar the rest of his term if the Levy remains and Abbott doesn't call a DD. Because abbott will not be swayed by this obvious attempt at changing australian politics Whats that mean … he will not come out from under his rock for a DD unless his sex daughters hold his hand the whole time. YOU GUTLESS poofter leave his family out of your s h I t posts >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( Creepy Abbott sexed up his daughters … not me. http://youtu.be/OmyoRNL0hrQ You're putrid, you really are. That's disgusting what you're suggesting and could not be further off the mark.

Vote for me, I'm the one with the sex daughters.

Abbott is a creep and tried to use his daughter's as sex objects.

First he bashes women and now he degrades them. What a women hater.

Stratos wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:53am:

Soren wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:49am: Yes, they have ever-increasing support all the time when it doesn't matter. Come election time - different story. That's the real function of a protest party You realise Greens still maintain the power of balance in the Senate?  I'm sure you will when they try and block a bunch of legislation. Besides, this could be an important time for polls, as the carbon tax repeal is set to be rejected by the senate, and Tony has said there could be a double dissolution if that happens

so you think that great to block just for the hell of it???>. humm good to know..

what about gonski and NDIS>.not enough money..

so whos fault will that be..?

those who promised something with funds they never had in the first place. ::) ::)

all passed by the greens..all promised by the greens,..

you know all these feel good things have to be paid for..whilst they give with one hand they have to take with the other..

so if taxes go UP.. and infrastructure goes nowhere....you wont complain will you..?didnt think so.

as you are so proud the greens are blocking the CEILING for credit.

just checking you understand..

cods wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:58am:

so you think that great to block just for the hell of it???>. humm good to know.. what about gonski and NDIS>.not enough money.. so whos fault will that be..? those who promised something with funds they never had in the first place.  all passed by the greens..all promised by the greens,.. you know all these feel good things have to be paid for..whilst they give with one hand they have to take with the other.. so if taxes go UP.. and infrastructure goes nowhere....you wont complain will you..?didnt think so. as you are so proud the greens are blocking the CEILING for credit. just checking you understand..

Wow Cods,  that sure is a massive answer to a question I didn't ask.  Soren said that the boost is irrelevant now, I mentinoed that because of a possible DD the boost may be a good thing because of the potential to get re-elected with more senators.  I'm not condoning it, just stating facts.
cods wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:58am:

as you are so proud the greens are blocking the CEILING for credit.

No one is blocking a debt ceiling.  Labor and Greens are both willing to raise it by $100bn

anyone who believes a poll that shows a ONE PERCENT approval rating would believe anything.  from memory I believe the worst approval rating ever was 16%. 

But newspoll will be out soon and you can all get back to complaining about Murdoch bias until the next election when they are once again proven right.

Voter mood turns on Coalition

Date
    November 25, 2013


New poll: Labor in front.      :)

Just three months after the election, Labor is ahead in the latest Fairfax/Nielsen poll, with Bill Shorten's 21% personal approval rating dwarfing Tony Abbott's 1%.

   

    Tony Abbott badly shaken but Labor can't be complacent.      :)

Bill Shorten has made the strongest debut of any opposition leader since Kevin Rudd, propelling Labor into the lead against a government weighed down by its secretive asylum seeker response and an unconvincing commitment to action on global warming.      :)

The first Fairfax-Nielsen poll since the election on September 7 has charted a rapid recovery for the ALP, with the opposition shooting to a 52 to 48 per cent lead over the government, according to the preferences of respondents. This is the quickest poll lead achieved by any federal opposition after losing an election.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Immigration minister

It is also the first time in more than three years that Labor has led on the two-party-preferred vote.


The result will be seen as a wake-up call to the Abbott government as it struggles to maintain confidence in its tough stop-the-boats policy while refusing to reveal the most basic details on grounds of operational security.

Labor's primary vote has recovered to 37 per cent - up 4 percentage points since the election, while the Coalition's primary support has fallen by a similar 5 points to be 41 per cent.


The Greens also picked up support, rising from 9 percentage points to 11.      

The national poll of 1400 respondents was taken from Thursday to Saturday and has a margin of error of 2.6 per cent.

The drift away from the Coalition came despite voters backing its attempts to abolish the carbon tax with 57 per cent wanting Labor to get out of the way.

However, respondents also expressed an overwhelming belief in the reality of climate change with nearly nine in 10 voters - or 87 per cent - judging the 5 per cent emission reduction target for 2020 as

either about right (46 per cent) or too low (41 per cent).

Prime Minister Tony Abbott recorded his first net positive approval rating since August 2010, although only just, with a statistically unreliable rating of plus 1 per cent.

That is made up of an approval rating of 47 per cent - up 4 points since he was in opposition - and a disapproval rating of 46 per cent.

And while he leads Mr Shorten convincingly as preferred prime minister - 49 per cent to 41 per cent - the Labor leader is in far better shape on net approval with a rating of plus 21.

That is made up of a strong 51 per cent approval rating and a relatively low disapproval rating for an opposition leader of 30 per cent.

Pollster John Stirton said this was the best debut rating for an opposition leader since Kevin Rudd was first judged by voters in February 2007 with a huge net approval rating of plus 50 per cent based on a stellar 65 per cent approval and a very low disapproval rating of just 15 per cent against the flagging prime ministership of John Howard.

Mr Stirton said the opposition's 52-48 lead within three months of an election, compared with the 2½ years it took the Coalition to hit the front after the election of the Rudd government in 2007.

The poor result for the government is likely to cool the double-dissolution hawks because it suggests that a reaffirmation from voters cannot be assumed.

It may also have implications for the coming byelection in Mr Rudd's old seat of Griffith, with Queensland showing the largest Labor primary vote of all states at 42 per cent.

Mr Abbott has kept the double-dissolution option alive as Labor and the Greens prepare to vote down the carbon tax repeal bills in the Senate next month.

The Prime Minister took to YouTube on Sunday evening in a bid to ratchet up the pressure on Mr Shorten to roll over, telling voters: ''You voted to scrap the carbon tax, the House of Representatives has voted to scrap the carbon tax, and now it's up to the Senate to do the same, and I want this done by Christmas''. Equally worrying for Mr Abbott is the low standing of his signature stop-the-boats policy, already under a cloud because of the breakdown of co-operation with Indonesia.

Less than half of all voters at 42 per cent approve of the way the government is handling the introduction of its policy and 50 per cent disapprove.      :)

That is sure to add to the growing discontent within the Coalition about the performance of its hardline Minister for Immigration, Scott Morrison.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/voter-mood-turns-on-coalition-20131124-2y436.html#ixzz2laqT7xk3

The election was this year man and you're starting to quote opinion polls?????

This is akin to turning up at a stadium and taking your seat at 9am for an 8pm match!
It's just a wee bit early!

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 5:46am:

The election was this year man and you're starting to quote opinion polls????? This is akin to turning up at a stadium and taking your seat at 9am for an 8pm match! It's just a wee bit early!

Yes I remember you saying that for the last three years when the conga line did the same,NOT. ::)

skippy. wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 5:49am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:46am: The election was this year man and you're starting to quote opinion polls????? This is akin to turning up at a stadium and taking your seat at 9am for an 8pm match! It's just a wee bit early! Yes I remember you saying that for the last three years when the conga line did the same,NOT. ::)

And Labor got annihilated...

Thats a huge change is just a few months.  Voters remorse maybe ( I don't care, both poarties are willing to indefinitely imprison innocent children anyway)
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 5:46am:

The election was this year man and you're starting to quote opinion polls?

I think the point that the Liberals have come a long way down since the election result.  Most surprising was the huge rise of support for Bill Shorten

Worst thing was that half of the people polled still support the way we treat Asylum seekers

  I'm sure the opinion polls will change dramatically by the end of Abbott's three year term.

If he's done this much damage in three months, imagine the fallout by election time.

Personally, I don't think Abbott will last the three years, they're on the nose already.

It took Abbott 3 years to gain on Rudd in the polls - it's taken Shorten less than 3 months and Shorten is no messiah.

Voter disillusionment is rampant. Abbott's promises of reducing debt and stopping the boats was a lie. We saw how Gillard was vilified for her "lie" on the carbon tax - will the same happen to Abbott? If he ate some humble pie he might manage to wriggle out of the mess he's created, but his arrogance will get in the way of good leadership.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 5:46am:

The election was this year man and you're starting to quote opinion polls????? This is akin to turning up at a stadium and taking your seat at 9am for an 8pm match! It's just a wee bit early!

So the con-alition is running from the DD election threat this year?

How many Indonesians were polled???

The last 9 Posts were moved here from Politicians Suck by Andrei.Hicks.

We don't need multiple threads on the same subject.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:54am:

Kat wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:46am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:46am: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:39am: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-storms-ahead-20131124-2y43r.html I told the conga line the voters would not put up with Nazi Germany tactics  from the women basher. Abbott is a total failure, and the voters know it. ;D ;D ;D Reported to moderators and you (and others) will be reported each time it is repeated. Sick of you repeating this lie of which he was not convicted by a court of law. You Are A Dick! Get over yourself, and get over that smacking grub you voted for. Aww, poor kitty-kat upset her party got thrashed! As you so eloquently put it, GET OVER IT! LOLOLOLOL!!!  ;D ;D ;D

And smack you very much, too.

You don't 'get over' your country being betrayed by fools.

Which you assholes have done by voting for the biggest pack of maggots we've EVER had in Canberra.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:06am:

We don't need multiple threads on the same subject.

it belongs in the fantasy section.

for mantra:

actually it took Abbott less than 8 months to get in front of labor from way behind.  but you are not the runoff the mill stupid laborite, mantra.  So ask yourself the question of why the poll has abbotts approval at ONE PERCENT and then try and convince yourself it is genuine.  a man whose approval rate was nudging 50% just a couple weeks ago and whose govt was 54/46 in the lead....

do you believe it even POSSIBLE, nevermind probable that virtually everybody has changed their mind??

Stratos wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:53am:

Soren wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:49am: Yes, they have ever-increasing support all the time when it doesn't matter. Come election time - different story. That's the real function of a protest party You realise Greens still maintain the power of balance in the Senate?  I'm sure you will when they try and block a bunch of legislation.

But not after 1 July 2014.

Kat people are fully entitled to vote for who they wish.

It doesn't make them fools because they chose a different party to you.

I doubt you and I have ever voted the same way and I don't class you as a fool.

Soren wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:10am:

But not after 1 July 2014.

If there is a double dissolution election, the current boost in the Greens poll could in fact be good for them.  We may have an election very soon if Abbott has the guts to do it.  He probably won't after seeing these numbers though

mantra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:10am:

It took Abbott 3 years to gain on Rudd in the polls - it's taken Shorten less than 3 months and Shorten is no messiah. Voter disillusionment is rampant. Abbott's promises of reducing debt and stopping the boats was a lie. We saw how Gillard was vilified for her "lie" on the carbon tax - will the same happen to Abbott? If he ate some humble pie he might manage to wriggle out of the mess he's created, but his arrogance will get in the way of good leadership.

EVERYTHING Abbot said was a lie.

He and his neo-fascists need to go, and steps must be put in place to prevent
right-wing extremists from EVER AGAIN obtaining power.

Kat wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:09am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:54am: Kat wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:46am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:46am: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:39am: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-storms-ahead-20131124-2y43r.html I told the conga line the voters would not put up with Nazi Germany tactics  from the women basher. Abbott is a total failure, and the voters know it. ;D ;D ;D Reported to moderators and you (and others) will be reported each time it is repeated. Sick of you repeating this lie of which he was not convicted by a court of law. You Are A Dick! Get over yourself, and get over that smacking grub you voted for. Aww, poor kitty-kat upset her party got thrashed! As you so eloquently put it, GET OVER IT! LOLOLOLOL!!!  ;D ;D ;D And smack you very much, too. You don't 'get over' your country being betrayed by fools. Which you assholes have done by voting for the biggest pack of maggots we've EVER had in Canberra.

Isn't it a bit too early in the day to be so completely steamed up about the democratic process?

Kat wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:13am:

mantra wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:10am: It took Abbott 3 years to gain on Rudd in the polls - it's taken Shorten less than 3 months and Shorten is no messiah. Voter disillusionment is rampant. Abbott's promises of reducing debt and stopping the boats was a lie. We saw how Gillard was vilified for her "lie" on the carbon tax - will the same happen to Abbott? If he ate some humble pie he might manage to wriggle out of the mess he's created, but his arrogance will get in the way of good leadership. EVERYTHING Abbot said was a lie. He and his neo-fascists need to go, and steps must be put in place to prevent right-wing extremists from EVER AGAIN obtaining power.

Restriction of free speech and self-determination eh?

Stratos wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:12am:

Soren wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:10am: But not after 1 July 2014. If there is a double dissolution election, the current boost in the Greens poll could in fact be good for them.  We may have an election very soon if Abbott has the guts to do it.  He probably won't after seeing these numbers though

Why bother with a DD over Greens recalcitrance when they will not matter in another 6 months?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:11am:

Kat people are fully entitled to vote for who they wish. It doesn't make them fools because they chose a different party to you. I doubt you and I have ever voted the same way and I don't class you as a fool.

It's the only conclusion I can draw, looking at these pathetic mongrels in Canberra, and
listening to the idiocy of some of their supporters on here.

Their continual attempts to turn black into white and vice-versa are simply pathetic.

Soren wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:14am:

Why bother with a DD over Greens recalcitrance when they will not matter in another 6 months?

Well if the government want to wait that long without repealing the carbon tax sure. 
Also the risk that the Coalition will lost popularity and the Greens and Labor will gain more (as these figures suggest)

I have never seen a shorter honeymoon period in the time I have been watching politics.  Little wonder. In just over 2 months they've bungled everything they've touched. The way Abbott's screwing up from issue to issue I reckon we'll start hearing "leadership challenge" noises very soon now.  Look at the way Armpit and cods spat the dummy this morning.  And Matty the other day with his stupid rant (You want the government to fail; you do I know you do -  remember that outburst).  They know they backed a loser and cant stand that we told them so.  And look at  Long Wick End "I dont believe it, I dont believe, It cant be true".   Hehehehe, what a hoot. Oh and Armpit.  You tell that woman basher not to show his face on this forum or he'll be accounting to me.

Hey great news about the greens.  Go GREENS!!!!  DD  DD  DD

DD

.

Soren wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:14am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:12am: Soren wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:10am: But not after 1 July 2014. If there is a double dissolution election, the current boost in the Greens poll could in fact be good for them.  We may have an election very soon if Abbott has the guts to do it.  He probably won't after seeing these numbers though Why bother with a DD over Greens recalcitrance when they will not matter in another 6 months?

So removing the carbon pricing isn't that important for the con-alition.

Also cross benchers like Mr X has said they will not support the carbon pricing removal if there isn't a better scheme to replace it … and D.A as it is isn't it.

What happens if it is rejected post the Senate change over.


One other fly in the ointment, if the swing against the con-alition in the west is also on, then that will be reflected in the senate re-vote.

The right could lose a senator.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:06am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:03am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:55am: I don't mind that he was accused. I do mind the fact that he was not convicted, yet you continue to call him a woman basher despite this not being what the court decided. Continue with the lie and you will be reported each time. Oh cool you can report people for lying?  Does that mean I can get people who call asylum seekers illegals banned? No, the government calls them illegal immigrants. Check if you don't believe me.

I checked.

You lied.

Reported.

Have a nice day.

Hands up those who are bored with Skippy's "conga line"?
If he wants to talk about dancing why doesn't he do a thread in Chat.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:43am:

from the article: Quote: the quickest poll lead achieved by any federal opposition after losing an election.   :) Also, Greens back to where they were in 2010. So much for their terminal decline  ;D Poor Bill Glasson - about to get his arse handed to him twice in a row.

I doubt that. He won the primary vote last time. Only preferences got Rudd in.

It is an interesting opinion poll but I take it with a grain of salt. I disagree with the SMH's analysis of the reasons for the poor result for the Coalition.

The opinion poll was taken from Thursday to Sunday. During that time, the political news was dominated by the coverage of Abbott's unsatisfactory response to the espionage scandal. This would have influenced the results, but this was not mentioned in the SMH's analysis. On this basis, if the Coalition produces a satisfactory response to this scandal that has no long-term repercussions, I expect the next Nielsen poll to produce better news for the Coalition.

It is also only one poll. We cannot draw firm conclusions based on only one opinion poll. We need to see multiple opinion polls over time before we can see if there is a trend.

Despite those points, the poll results suggest that the public are very willing to punish a badly-performing government regardless of the party that forms the government.

This poll result represents a 5.5% swing against the government. If it was translated to a uniform swing at an election, the government would lose 24 seats and the ALP would form a majority government. In addition, the Liberals may lose up to two marginal seats to the WA Nationals on ALP preferences if the ALP preference the Nationals ahead of the Liberals in these seats.

The ALP recorded their highest primary vote among voters in Queensland with a 42% primary (although with a relatively large margin of error). If that was replicated at an election, about ten Queensland seats with margins between 54% and 59% come into play. These seats are mostly categorised as "fairly safe" but would be difficult to hold if there was a 9% swing against the Government in Queensland.

In other polling news, the results of a ReachTel automated telephone poll will be out very soon. (I was polled by them a few days ago.)

The honeymoon is over .

Smell the fear.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

Hands up those who are bored with Skippy's "conga line"? If he wants to talk about dancing why doesn't he do a thread in Chat.

"conga line" perfectly sums up the rightwing mentality over the past 3 years. Mindlessly repeating slogans without thinking.

"Typhoon Tony" may not stick, but "conga line", or the longer version "conga line of suckholes" has already been ingrained in Australian culture.

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longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:47am:

Leave your partisan bias and have a bit of a think first.  one percent approval???  as this poll came up with this virtually impossible figure then it clearly shows the entire poll is seriously flawed.

lol - its not 1% approval - its 1% net positive approval - 47% approve and 46% disapprove.



Quote:

it was in fact only a couple weeks ago that newspoll had labor falling even further behind.

um no. The newspoll from two weeks ago had the coalition's lead halved from the previous poll:


Quote:

The Coalition holds a two-party-preferred lead of 53 to 47 per cent, essentially the same result as the September election, but has seen its lead halved from 12 points to six over the past two weeks. - See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/tony-abbott-slips-while-bill-shorten-makes-up-ground-in-latest-newspoll/story-fn59niix-1226757724225#sthash.ZIswzfUF.dpuf

Even newspoll is showing a trend.

____ wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:56am:

One other fly in the ointment, if the swing against the con-alition in the west is also on, then that will be reflected in the senate re-vote. The right could lose a senator.

Current WA Senate: Libs 3, ALP 1, Greens 1, Sports 1.

I count this as 3 to 3+1/2 on the right.

If there's a revote (likely), the Coalition would need a primary of about 40% or more to have a good chance of holding three Senators. If they drop 5% to the ALP, the ALP will get two quotas (2.21) and the Coalition would no longer have three between them (2.74). The leftover ALP quota would be likely to elect a Greens candidate and PUP and the Liberals will fight out the last Senate spot with the Liberals having better chances unless PUP gets benefit from the minor party voteball.

The net result at the revote would be for the ALP to gain a seat from the Sports party. My expectation for the WA revote: Liberals 3, ALP 2, Greens 1.

Overall, I do not expect the conservatives to lose a seat because they poll strongly in WA. Instead, the main progressive parties are likely to improve their standing by one seat.

With a larger swing, the Liberals are likely to lose a seat to PUP in WA (assuming other parties maintain their polling) but I do not think it is likely.

So how's that Double Dissolution looking?

True Colours wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 9:15am:

So how's that Double Dissolution looking?

Looking just fine. You dont think abbott believes this obvious bs poll do you. Try as you may to change australian politics with lies, but the carbon tax will be repealed

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 9:02am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:58am: Hands up those who are bored with Skippy's "conga line"? If he wants to talk about dancing why doesn't he do a thread in Chat. "conga line" perfectly sums up the rightwing mentality over the past 3 years. Mindlessly repeating slogans without thinking. "Typhoon Tony" may not stick, but "conga line", or the longer version "conga line of suckholes" has already been ingrained in Australian culture.

A conga line of suckholes was a very apt description of the Liberals. On the first day of the new Parliament, they lined up one after another to suck up to the new Speaker.

Bam wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 9:13am:

____ wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:56am: One other fly in the ointment, if the swing against the con-alition in the west is also on, then that will be reflected in the senate re-vote. The right could lose a senator. Current WA Senate: Libs 3, ALP 1, Greens 1, Sports 1. I count this as 3 to 3+1/2 on the right. If there's a revote (likely), the Coalition would need a primary of about 40% or more to have a good chance of holding three Senators. If they drop 5% to the ALP, the ALP will get two quotas (2.21) and the Coalition would no longer have three between them (2.74). The leftover ALP quota would be likely to elect a Greens candidate and PUP and the Liberals will fight out the last Senate spot with the Liberals having better chances unless PUP gets benefit from the minor party voteball. The net result at the revote would be for the ALP to gain a seat from the Sports party. My expectation for the WA revote: Liberals 3, ALP 2, Greens 1. Overall, I do not expect the conservatives to lose a seat because they poll strongly in WA. Instead, the main progressive parties are likely to improve their standing by one seat. With a larger swing, the Liberals are likely to lose a seat to PUP in WA (assuming other parties maintain their polling) but I do not think it is likely.

Fair analysis. The other thing to take into account is that revotes are typically characterised by higher than usual voter disillusionment - which will translate into high informal and higher minor parties. Which minor parties though is the question - will it favour PUP? Greens? or some other? My greatest fear is that Palmer will be able to grab more votes purely on account of his fatter wallet.

On opinion polls in general:

I have studied the results of opinion polls over the past 20 years. For a surprisingly large amount of time, the Government of the day has trailed. If there's one constant in Australian politics, Australians are usually unhappy with the government.

If opinion polls six months from an election were any guide, Keating would have lost in 1993 and Howard would have lost in 1998 and 2001.

The only government that enjoyed a good lead six months from an election was Rudd in 2010.

I find opinion polls to be a rather salty snack.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

Bam wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 9:13am: ____ wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:56am: One other fly in the ointment, if the swing against the con-alition in the west is also on, then that will be reflected in the senate re-vote. The right could lose a senator. Current WA Senate: Libs 3, ALP 1, Greens 1, Sports 1. I count this as 3 to 3+1/2 on the right. If there's a revote (likely), the Coalition would need a primary of about 40% or more to have a good chance of holding three Senators. If they drop 5% to the ALP, the ALP will get two quotas (2.21) and the Coalition would no longer have three between them (2.74). The leftover ALP quota would be likely to elect a Greens candidate and PUP and the Liberals will fight out the last Senate spot with the Liberals having better chances unless PUP gets benefit from the minor party voteball. The net result at the revote would be for the ALP to gain a seat from the Sports party. My expectation for the WA revote: Liberals 3, ALP 2, Greens 1. Overall, I do not expect the conservatives to lose a seat because they poll strongly in WA. Instead, the main progressive parties are likely to improve their standing by one seat. With a larger swing, the Liberals are likely to lose a seat to PUP in WA (assuming other parties maintain their polling) but I do not think it is likely. Fair analysis. The other thing to take into account is that revotes are typically characterised by higher than usual voter disillusionment - which will translate into high informal and higher minor parties. Which minor parties though is the question - will it favour PUP? Greens? or some other? My greatest fear is that Palmer will be able to grab more votes purely on account of his fatter wallet.

The last time Australia had a Senate-only election at Federal level was in 1970. This Senate-only election was treated like a "giant by-election" as Antony Green put it.

My analysis was based on some voter sanity. We cannot really expect that in by-elections.

Considering the still-hypothetical WA Senate by-election would actually be a giant by-election, I agree that we should expect a lot of voter disillusionment and a few odd results.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3LlpOuybm4

This poll could be rogue, but the PM/LOTO approvals are interesting:

PM: approval: 47% disapprove 46% Uncommitted 8%  Net approval 1%
LOTO: approval 51% disapprove 30% Uncommitted 19. Net approval 21% and scope to improve.

With Rudd gone I predict that the WA revote will definitely improve and Lab+Grn gain a senate seat, Labor will retain Griffith. There was a huge abstention/informal vote (I abstained) that might cast proper ballots in the bielections next year.

Abbott never had high approval ratings and now they are positive by just 1%.

Greens probably jubilant at the 2% jump in support—within the MoE of 2.6%

I haven’t seen any commentary on the effect the NBN had on voter sentiment but the removal of 500K from the maps of areas to be rolled out by fibre had a huge impact.

More info including links to tables here.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:14am:

Kat wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:13am: mantra wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:10am: It took Abbott 3 years to gain on Rudd in the polls - it's taken Shorten less than 3 months and Shorten is no messiah. Voter disillusionment is rampant. Abbott's promises of reducing debt and stopping the boats was a lie. We saw how Gillard was vilified for her "lie" on the carbon tax - will the same happen to Abbott? If he ate some humble pie he might manage to wriggle out of the mess he's created, but his arrogance will get in the way of good leadership. EVERYTHING Abbot said was a lie. He and his neo-fascists need to go, and steps must be put in place to prevent right-wing extremists from EVER AGAIN obtaining power. Restriction of free speech and self-determination eh?

Exactly. Just like the blecks back in the good old days your mother spoke so fondly of.

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

This poll could be rogue

Not so much "rogue" (which I define to be outside the two standard deviations of the MoE which occurs about 5% of the time), but I believe it is heavily influenced by short term political news.


Quote:

Greens probably jubilant at the 2% jump in support—within the MoE of 2.6%

The quoted MoE is only applicable for polling figures near 50%. For lower figures around 10%, the MoE is significantly smaller.

This is interesting, however as we know - 1 poll a trend does not make.

If there are more polls that have them level or ahead and tony taking a hit - then we can say the honeymoon is over.

As it is, people may be asking about their asylum seeker policy, their performance regarding indonesia and their policy towards changing the nbn.

Bam wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 9:28am:

On opinion polls in general: I have studied the results of opinion polls over the past 20 years. For a surprisingly large amount of time, the Government of the day has trailed. If there's one constant in Australian politics, Australians are usually unhappy with the government. If opinion polls six months from an election were any guide, Keating would have lost in 1993 and Howard would have lost in 1998 and 2001. The only government that enjoyed a good lead six months from an election was Rudd in 2010. I find opinion polls to be a rather salty snack.

Yes but what about the first few months after an election? My impression is that pretty much any government straight after an election will get some sort of honeymoon period sometime during the first few months of the new term. Even Gillard got it after the 2010 election. That is whats notable here - Abbott's getting no honeymoon. May or may not be significant though.

Bam wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 10:52am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 9:54am: This poll could be rogue Not so much "rogue" (which I define to be outside the two standard deviations of the MoE which occurs about 5% of the time), but I believe it is heavily influenced by short term political news. Quote: Greens probably jubilant at the 2% jump in support—within the MoE of 2.6% The quoted MoE is only applicable for polling figures near 50%. For lower figures around 10%, the MoE is significantly smaller.

For the Greens and other small parties—the MoE will be bigger which is why their support in these polls jumps around a lot.

Tomorrow will get ER. This is 2 weeks polls averaged so its PVs stay more stable than that of the other Pollsters.

Bam wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 9:28am:

On opinion polls in general: I have studied the results of opinion polls over the past 20 years. For a surprisingly large amount of time, the Government of the day has trailed. If there's one constant in Australian politics, Australians are usually unhappy with the government. If opinion polls six months from an election were any guide, Keating would have lost in 1993 and Howard would have lost in 1998 and 2001. The only government that enjoyed a good lead six months from an election was Rudd in 2010. I find opinion polls to be a rather salty snack.

Governments have to implement policy and react to shocks from elsewhere. Oppositions just have to whisper sweet nothings into the voters’ ears. Because govts may not be able to implement all their promised policies, because they might have to adapt them a bit in negotiation with other parties etc etc they tend to lose popularity.

Abbott is not getting his way on Boats! and Carbon “tax” but is rooting the NBN he ain’t Mr Popularity. Labor, with the Rudd–Gillard wars sunk out of site with both out or leaving the Parliament, is being looked at with renewed favor.

Labor ahead 52/48 tpp

http://st.depositphotos.com/1695366/1400/v/450/dep_14000616-Cartoon-Man-Laughing.jpg

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:54am:

Kat wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:46am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:46am: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:39am: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-storms-ahead-20131124-2y43r.html I told the conga line the voters would not put up with Nazi Germany tactics  from the women basher. Abbott is a total failure, and the voters know it. ;D ;D ;D Reported to moderators and you (and others) will be reported each time it is repeated. Sick of you repeating this lie of which he was not convicted by a court of law. You Are A Dick! Get over yourself, and get over that smacking grub you voted for. Aww, poor kitty-kat upset her party got thrashed! As you so eloquently put it, GET OVER IT! LOLOLOLOL!!!  ;D ;D ;D

LOL  Kat is not the one acting a princess.D ;D ;D ;D ;D

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

Hands up those who are bored with Skippy's "conga line"? If he wants to talk about dancing why doesn't he do a thread in Chat.

LOL the sooks are out today.

Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven.
Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
At least we know the sooky boy now. ;D ;D :D ;D

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:14am:

Kat wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:13am: mantra wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:10am: It took Abbott 3 years to gain on Rudd in the polls - it's taken Shorten less than 3 months and Shorten is no messiah. Voter disillusionment is rampant. Abbott's promises of reducing debt and stopping the boats was a lie. We saw how Gillard was vilified for her "lie" on the carbon tax - will the same happen to Abbott? If he ate some humble pie he might manage to wriggle out of the mess he's created, but his arrogance will get in the way of good leadership. EVERYTHING Abbot said was a lie. He and his neo-fascists need to go, and steps must be put in place to prevent right-wing extremists from EVER AGAIN obtaining power. Restriction of free speech and self-determination eh?

No.

Restriction on neo-fascism and right-wing extremism.

And no, neo-fascists don't deserve the right to self-determination.

A poll four years from an election.  This is useful.

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 11:12am:

Bam wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 10:52am: St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 9:54am: This poll could be rogue Not so much "rogue" (which I define to be outside the two standard deviations of the MoE which occurs about 5% of the time), but I believe it is heavily influenced by short term political news. Quote: Greens probably jubilant at the 2% jump in support—within the MoE of 2.6% The quoted MoE is only applicable for polling figures near 50%. For lower figures around 10%, the MoE is significantly smaller. For the Greens and other small parties—the MoE will be bigger which is why their support in these polls jumps around a lot.

The margin of error is smaller for smaller percentages, not larger.

The MoE is an estimation of the standard deviation and is calculated thus:

sqrt((P - P²) / N)

where P is the percentage of respondents, and N is the number of samples.

For this poll, sample size is 1400.

52% (ALP 2PP) gives a MoE of 1.34% (double it for two standard deviations and a 95% confidence interval).
11% (Greens primary) gives a MoE of 0.84%.

Verge wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 2:22pm:

A poll four years from an election.  This is useful.

Three years, actually.

Moreover, there will be a federal senate election in WA within the next four months.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

Bam wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 9:28am: On opinion polls in general: I have studied the results of opinion polls over the past 20 years. For a surprisingly large amount of time, the Government of the day has trailed. If there's one constant in Australian politics, Australians are usually unhappy with the government. If opinion polls six months from an election were any guide, Keating would have lost in 1993 and Howard would have lost in 1998 and 2001. The only government that enjoyed a good lead six months from an election was Rudd in 2010. I find opinion polls to be a rather salty snack. Yes but what about the first few months after an election? My impression is that pretty much any government straight after an election will get some sort of honeymoon period sometime during the first few months of the new term. Even Gillard got it after the 2010 election. That is whats notable here - Abbott's getting no honeymoon. May or may not be significant though.

Yep. Unprecedented in a poll just after an election like this. Im Not surprised, the voters never wanted an Abbott government, they just wanted to belt Labor. Unless Abbott is very careful he is looking like a one termer, the fact he hides from the media and the media are whining about it will not help either. I think the voters can see Abbott has conned them, the economy will be worse after three years of his government to what it was when he came to power, the boats will not have not stopped and on the world stage he is totally inept. Add all this up and this could end in tears a lot quicker than anyone ever thought.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

Bam wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 9:28am: On opinion polls in general: I have studied the results of opinion polls over the past 20 years. For a surprisingly large amount of time, the Government of the day has trailed. If there's one constant in Australian politics, Australians are usually unhappy with the government. If opinion polls six months from an election were any guide, Keating would have lost in 1993 and Howard would have lost in 1998 and 2001. The only government that enjoyed a good lead six months from an election was Rudd in 2010. I find opinion polls to be a rather salty snack. Yes but what about the first few months after an election? My impression is that pretty much any government straight after an election will get some sort of honeymoon period sometime during the first few months of the new term.

This does happen, although I cannot cite specific examples from memory.


Quote:

Even Gillard got it after the 2010 election. That is whats notable here - Abbott's getting no honeymoon. May or may not be significant though.

It's also possible that Abbott's honeymoon period did occur, but it was missed because the first Nielsen poll occurred after it ended. A poll after the NSW bushfires would have been interesting.

Morgan has conducted five polls already, with the polling numbers bouncing around 50-50. The most recent Morgan poll had ALP 49%, Coalition 51%. There was no sign of a honeymoon period here.

Another possibility is that this poll is an outlier, but the chances of this being a rogue poll with the actual figures favouring the Coalition is only about 5%.

My theory is that the indecisive handling of the Indonesian spying revelations has influenced this poll result. Time will tell if this has a long-term effect or if it is temporary.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:46am:

I have never seen a shorter honeymoon period in the time I have been watching politics.  Little wonder. In just over 2 months they've bungled everything they've touched. The way Abbott's screwing up from issue to issue I reckon we'll start hearing "leadership challenge" noises very soon now.  Look at the way Armpit and cods spat the dummy this morning.  And Matty the other day with his stupid rant (You want the government to fail; you do I know you do -  remember that outburst).  They know they backed a loser and cant stand that we told them so.  And look at  Long Wick End "I dont believe it, I dont believe, It cant be true".   Hehehehe, what a hoot. Oh and Armpit.  You tell that woman basher not to show his face on this forum or he'll be accounting to me. Hey great news about the greens.  Go GREENS!!!!  DD  DD  DD

you are assuming that this poll is accurate and there are many reasons to believe that it is not. we need other polls and successive polls to see if this is an outlier or  complete dud.  Newspoll had the coalition extremely popular and labor very unpopular only a couple weeks ago.  to believe that there has been such a massive turnaround in such a new govt seems more than a little unlikely.

about 2 years ago Gillard received a 5% boost in the polls in one period and I claimed then that it was probably an outlier since it was over anuary and nothing at all had happened.  most of your imbeciles mocked me and the next poll had that 5% 'gain' completely erased

more polls before we see anything genuine.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 2:30pm:

Verge wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 2:22pm: A poll four years from an election.  This is useful. Three years, actually. Moreover, there will be a federal senate election in WA within the next four months.

there has been no decision on that yet.

Bam wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 2:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 11:07am: Bam wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 9:28am: On opinion polls in general: I have studied the results of opinion polls over the past 20 years. For a surprisingly large amount of time, the Government of the day has trailed. If there's one constant in Australian politics, Australians are usually unhappy with the government. If opinion polls six months from an election were any guide, Keating would have lost in 1993 and Howard would have lost in 1998 and 2001. The only government that enjoyed a good lead six months from an election was Rudd in 2010. I find opinion polls to be a rather salty snack. Yes but what about the first few months after an election? My impression is that pretty much any government straight after an election will get some sort of honeymoon period sometime during the first few months of the new term. This does happen, although I cannot cite specific examples from memory. Quote: Even Gillard got it after the 2010 election. That is whats notable here - Abbott's getting no honeymoon. May or may not be significant though. It's also possible that Abbott's honeymoon period did occur, but it was missed because the first Nielsen poll occurred after it ended. A poll after the NSW bushfires would have been interesting. Morgan has conducted five polls already, with the polling numbers bouncing around 50-50. The most recent Morgan poll had ALP 49%, Coalition 51%. There was no sign of a honeymoon period here. Another possibility is that this poll is an outlier, but the chances of this being a rogue poll with the actual figures favouring the Coalition is only about 5%. My theory is that the indecisive handling of the Indonesian spying revelations has influenced this poll result. Time will tell if this has a long-term effect or if it is temporary.

Morgan polls have a pretty unreliable record.  Sometimes they can be dealy accurate and other times out by a mile.  They are the poll that predicted Keating would win in 1996 before he was flogged by the second biggest margin ever.  They wee very close in the recent federal election however they were claiming a labor victory until midway thru the election campaign so their 'accuracy' seems to be rather unpredictable.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 2:30pm: Verge wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 2:22pm: A poll four years from an election.  This is useful. Three years, actually. Moreover, there will be a federal senate election in WA within the next four months. there has been no decision on that yet.

On the senate?  No.

However, I'll put a week's pay on the election being held within the next four months.

Stratos wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:44am: they are classed as an illegal immigrant No, they are classed as an "irregular maritime arrival" Under labor, yes. Morrison instructed the Immigration Dept to call them what they are - illegal immigrants. Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:44am: No one ever said the act of seeking asylum is illegal, Which is why it is misleading to use the term illegal in any context surrounding them Hardly! They are classed as illegals until given asylum... or deported if their application is rejected. Simple - for most people to understand. Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:44am: just the manner in which they attempt to enter this country. Which they cannot be punished for due to the treaty Australia has signed And they are not punished. I don't know of any death camps or hard labor (besides what we lived through for the past 6 years). If granted asylum, they're released, if not, they're deported. We can't have 50,000 people wandering the streets when we know little or nothing about them (thanks to their deliberate destruction of their passports and other forms of ID), hence the detention centres.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:06am: Stratos wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:03am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:55am: I don't mind that he was accused. I do mind the fact that he was not convicted, yet you continue to call him a woman basher despite this not being what the court decided. Continue with the lie and you will be reported each time. Oh cool you can report people for lying?  Does that mean I can get people who call asylum seekers illegals banned? No, the government calls them illegal immigrants. Check if you don't believe me. I checked. You lied. Reported. Have a nice day.

You did not check very well. Care to offer an apology to me now?


Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has instructed departmental and detention centre staff to publicly refer to asylum seekers as ‘‘illegal’’ arrivals and as ‘‘detainees’’, rather than as clients.

The directive has been criticised as a ‘‘profound’’ shift by a leading asylum seeker agency, which says the new terminology is designed to dehumanise people.

In an email to detention centre staff, obtained by Fairfax Media, a department official writes: ‘‘The department has received correspondence from the minister clarifying his expectations about the department’s use of terminology. Accordingly we as [sic] that our service providers also adhere to the below instructions.’’

These include calling all people who arrive in Australia by boat ‘‘illegal maritime arrivals’’, a marked change from the more moderate language used under the previous government.

When it came to office in 2007, Labor dropped the Howard government’s description of asylum seekers who arrived by boat as ‘‘illegal maritime arrivals’’, calling them ‘‘irregular maritime arrivals’’. It said this was done in recognition of the fact it is not illegal under Australian domestic law or international law to claim asylum. The new directive reverses this.

The email to detention centre and Serco staff also instructs them to describe asylum seekers being held in detention centres in Australia as ‘‘detainees’’ rather than as ‘‘clients’’, as they had been called under Labor.

People being held on Nauru and Papua New Guinea’s Manus Island are to be called ‘‘transferees’’, not  ‘‘clients’’.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/minister-wants-boat-people-called-illegals-20131019-2vtl0.html

Stratos wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:03am:

Does that mean I can get people who call asylum seekers illegals banned?

Careful Stratos.


Quote:

Use of 'illegal' to describe arrivals and entry The situation is less straightforward when the term "illegal" is used more broadly. Any person arriving in Australia without a visa, including an asylum seeker, is an "unlawful non-citizen" under Australian law. Mr Morrison can rely upon the definition of "illegal entry" in the people smuggling protocol, which Australia signed and ratified, so long as he makes it clear that he is doing so. However, experts warn that the use of the terms "illegal" and "unlawful" in this context is potentially misleading, as they are words usually applied to criminal acts. Professor Schloenhardt told ABC Fact Check that it is acceptable to refer to people coming to Australia without visas (including those who are not asylum seekers) as "illegal immigrants". However, on a practical level, he says that "illegal implies that a criminal offence has been committed, which asylum seekers have not, and for that reason it is preferable to use different vocabulary". Ellen Hansen from the Canberra office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees told ABC Fact Check that "the term 'illegal' is not one that UNHCR uses or encourages the use of in relation to refugees or asylum-seekers arriving without a visa". Other terminology is available. Professor Schloenhardt said international organisations prefer to use the term "irregular migrant". The verdict Mr Morrison is correct. Based on the definition set out in the people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country. That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-06/morrison-correct-illegal-entry-people/4935372

skippy. wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven. Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D At least we know the sooky boy now. ;D ;D :D ;D

Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up.

The poll should be no surprise. This government is a disaster.

Just because a xenophobic ignoramus  like Morrison says they are illegal means nothing! only the dumbfvcks believe him.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:58am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:06am: Stratos wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:03am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:55am: I don't mind that he was accused. I do mind the fact that he was not convicted, yet you continue to call him a woman basher despite this not being what the court decided. Continue with the lie and you will be reported each time. Oh cool you can report people for lying?  Does that mean I can get people who call asylum seekers illegals banned? No, the government calls them illegal immigrants. Check if you don't believe me. I checked. You lied. Reported. Have a nice day. You did not check very well. Care to offer an apology to me now? Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has instructed departmental and detention centre staff to publicly refer to asylum seekers as ‘‘illegal’’ arrivals and as ‘‘detainees’’, rather than as clients. The directive has been criticised as a ‘‘profound’’ shift by a leading asylum seeker agency, which says the new terminology is designed to dehumanise people. In an email to detention centre staff, obtained by Fairfax Media, a department official writes: ‘‘The department has received correspondence from the minister clarifying his expectations about the department’s use of terminology. Accordingly we as [sic] that our service providers also adhere to the below instructions.’’ These include calling all people who arrive in Australia by boat ‘‘illegal maritime arrivals’’, a marked change from the more moderate language used under the previous government. When it came to office in 2007, Labor dropped the Howard government’s description of asylum seekers who arrived by boat as ‘‘illegal maritime arrivals’’, calling them ‘‘irregular maritime arrivals’’. It said this was done in recognition of the fact it is not illegal under Australian domestic law or international law to claim asylum.The new directive reverses this. The email to detention centre and Serco staff also instructs them to describe asylum seekers being held in detention centres in Australia as ‘‘detainees’’ rather than as ‘‘clients’’, as they had been called under Labor. People being held on Nauru and Papua New Guinea’s Manus Island are to be called ‘‘transferees’’, not  ‘‘clients’’. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/minister-wants-boat-people-called-illegals-20131019-2vtl0.html

Your neo-fascist junta at work.

Contemptible!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:30pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven. Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D At least we know the sooky boy now. ;D ;D :D ;D Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up.

No need for a stat dec sweet thing, another women accused him of indecent assault too, she even went to court, the Judge could not rule either way, so the judge did not find him not guilty at all. It must suck to support a man that is violent to women, have you no shame? Oh don't bother to answer that.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:30pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven. Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D At least we know the sooky boy now. ;D ;D :D ;D Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up.

No difference at all, they were BOTH unproven.

Your hypocrisy is showing...

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 2:30pm: Verge wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 2:22pm: A poll four years from an election.  This is useful. Three years, actually. Moreover, there will be a federal senate election in WA within the next four months. there has been no decision on that yet.

Yeas.  I am pretty amazed at how everyone has just assumed there will be another Senate vote over there.  It is possible, but it is not certain by any means.

For me, given how 1400 (+-) ballot papers were lost in the recount, logic suggests that (given no-one has ever said the first count was incorrect, as opposed to close) the results first time around will stand.  But, if there is another WA Senate vote, I cannot see how the LNP can credibly claim they will do better, given the disasters we have already seen from Abbott.

*

Careful Stratos.


Quote:

MIGRATION ACT 1958 - SECT 228B Circumstances in which a non-citizen has no lawful right to come to Australia              (1)  For the purposes of this Subdivision, a non-citizen has, at a particular time, no lawful right to come to Australia if, at that time:                      (a)  the non-citizen does not hold a visa that is in effect; and                      (b)  the non-citizen is not covered by an exception referred to in subsection 42(2) or (2A); and                      (c)  the non-citizen is not permitted by regulations under subsection 42(3) to travel to Australia without a visa that is in effect.              (2)  To avoid doubt, a reference in subsection (1) to a non-citizen includes a reference to a non-citizen seeking protection or asylum (however described), whether or not Australia has, or may have, protection obligations in respect of the non-citizen:                      (a)  under the Refugees Convention as amended by the Refugees Protocol; or                      (b)  for any other reason. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/s228b.html

**

Careful Stratos.


Quote:

COMMON LEGAL QUESTIONS ON IMMIGRATION Who are illegal migrants? Anyone in Australia who is not an Australian citizen and does not have a valid visa is "an unlawful non citizen" or what is referred to as an illegal migrant. Generally, all persons in Australia who are not citizens must have a visa. http://www.iargel.com.au/Portals/Iargel/articles/commonquestionson_immi.pdf

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:58am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:06am: Stratos wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:03am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:55am: I don't mind that he was accused. I do mind the fact that he was not convicted, yet you continue to call him a woman basher despite this not being what the court decided. Continue with the lie and you will be reported each time. Oh cool you can report people for lying?  Does that mean I can get people who call asylum seekers illegals banned? No, the government calls them illegal immigrants. Check if you don't believe me. I checked. You lied. Reported. Have a nice day. You did not check very well. Care to offer an apology to me now? Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has instructed departmental and detention centre staff to publicly refer to asylum seekers as ‘‘illegal’’ arrivals and as ‘‘detainees’’, rather than as clients. The directive has been criticised as a ‘‘profound’’ shift by a leading asylum seeker agency, which says the new terminology is designed to dehumanise people. In an email to detention centre staff, obtained by Fairfax Media, a department official writes: ‘‘The department has received correspondence from the minister clarifying his expectations about the department’s use of terminology. Accordingly we as [sic] that our service providers also adhere to the below instructions.’’ These include calling all people who arrive in Australia by boat ‘‘illegal maritime arrivals’’, a marked change from the more moderate language used under the previous government. When it came to office in 2007, Labor dropped the Howard government’s description of asylum seekers who arrived by boat as ‘‘illegal maritime arrivals’’, calling them ‘‘irregular maritime arrivals’’. It said this was done in recognition of the fact it is not illegal under Australian domestic law or international law to claim asylum. The new directive reverses this. The email to detention centre and Serco staff also instructs them to describe asylum seekers being held in detention centres in Australia as ‘‘detainees’’ rather than as ‘‘clients’’, as they had been called under Labor. People being held on Nauru and Papua New Guinea’s Manus Island are to be called ‘‘transferees’’, not  ‘‘clients’’. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/minister-wants-boat-people-called-illegals-20131019-2vtl0.html

LOL    You fool.  You just destroyed your own "argument".

Nowhere in that article does the government refer to asylum seekers as "illegal immigrants".

LOL    ;D

I repeat.

I checked.

You lied.

You are still a liar.



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Easy on armchair Gregory he is very touchy since his break. :D ;D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:30pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven. Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D At least we know the sooky boy now. ;D ;D :D ;D Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up.

Do you really run and dob Teaspoon?

Are your arguments that weak?(rhetorical)

Are you that insecure in yourself & your political beliefs that you require protection.

Or do you think Tony's so weak as to need you to protect him?

Canberra reads this place, I know because they requested 1 of my posts be removed, a mod was gracious enough to inform the reason for my holiday.

Don't worry petal if big Tone(or should I say Herr Credin), ever thinks those accusations are finding traction the posters will find themselves banned & post removed or I'm sure FD will lose this site.

Some may call that blackmail & suppression of freedom of speech, in fact if it was a Labor government doing exactly what I've described you'd be 1st "Over the Top", but its Tone so it for our own good.
After all the "Grown ups are in charge"

Grown ups that apparently need your protection.

____ wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:06am: Stratos wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:03am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:55am: I don't mind that he was accused. I do mind the fact that he was not convicted, yet you continue to call him a woman basher despite this not being what the court decided. Continue with the lie and you will be reported each time. Oh cool you can report people for lying?  Does that mean I can get people who call asylum seekers illegals banned? No, the government calls them illegal immigrants. Check if you don't believe me. "Illegal arrivals" is the spin from the con-alition for boat refugees.

Exactly.

They don't use the term "illegal immigrants" at all.

More lies from the bigoted right.

(They don't even have the intelligence to understand that they aren't 'immigrants').

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:30pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven. Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D At least we know the sooky boy now. ;D ;D :D ;D Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up. Do you really run and dob Teaspoon? Are your arguments that weak?(rhetorical) Are you that insecure in yourself & your political beliefs that you require protection. Or do you think Tony's so weak as to need you to protect him? Canberra reads this place, I know because they requested 1 of my posts be removed, a mod was gracious enough to inform the reason for my holiday. Don't worry petal if big Tone(or should I say Herr Credin), ever thinks those accusations are finding traction the posters will find themselves banned & post removed or I'm sure FD will lose this site. Some may call that blackmail & suppression of freedom of speech, in fact if it was a Labor government doing exactly what I've described you'd be 1st "Over the Top", but its Tone so it for our own good. After all the "Grown ups are in charge" Grown ups that apparently need your protection.

Are you for real that " Canberra" asked for one of your posts to be removed smithy? If you are you should let the mainstream media know man, Imagine the headline? Gold.... ;D

skippy. wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:46pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:42pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:30pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven. Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D At least we know the sooky boy now. ;D ;D :D ;D Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up. Do you really run and dob Teaspoon? Are your arguments that weak?(rhetorical) Are you that insecure in yourself & your political beliefs that you require protection. Or do you think Tony's so weak as to need you to protect him? Canberra reads this place, I know because they requested 1 of my posts be removed, a mod was gracious enough to inform the reason for my holiday. Don't worry petal if big Tone(or should I say Herr Credin), ever thinks those accusations are finding traction the posters will find themselves banned & post removed or I'm sure FD will lose this site. Some may call that blackmail & suppression of freedom of speech, in fact if it was a Labor government doing exactly what I've described you'd be 1st "Over the Top", but its Tone so it for our own good. After all the "Grown ups are in charge" Grown ups that apparently need your protection. Are you for real that " Canberra" asked for one of your posts to be removed smithy? If you are you should let the mainstream media know man, Imagine the headline? Gold.... ;D

LOL, if only it was one of my thinking posts.

However it was character assassination & deserved to be removed.

Although its target was thoroughly deserving IMO ;)

LOL  imagine breakfast  time" I hate that kangaroo that says bad things about me Peta" " there there baby Peta will make it all better for you Tonsy  wonsy"

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 8:48am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:43am: from the article: Quote: the quickest poll lead achieved by any federal opposition after losing an election.   :) Also, Greens back to where they were in 2010. So much for their terminal decline  ;D Poor Bill Glasson - about to get his arse handed to him twice in a row. I doubt that. He won the primary vote last time. Only preferences got Rudd in.

it is hardly getting your 'arse handed to you' to lose in the safest labor seat in QLD and then only by preferences.

skippy. wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:51pm:

LOL  imagine breakfast  time" I hate that kangaroo that says bad things about me Peta" " there there baby Peta will make it all better for you Tonsy  wonsy"

Peta: I'll get Armchair Politician to PM Andrei, that'll show him we mean business :D

Kat wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:30pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven. Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D At least we know the sooky boy now. ;D ;D :D ;D Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up. No difference at all, they were BOTH unproven. Your hypocrisy is showing...

Big difference. For Gillard, there are legal documents and a money trail. For Abbott, nothing but accusations with zero proof to back them up and court action that was thrown out.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Kat wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:35pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:30pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven. Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D At least we know the sooky boy now. ;D ;D :D ;D Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up. No difference at all, they were BOTH unproven. Your hypocrisy is showing... Big difference. For Gillard, there are legal documents and a money trail. For Abbott, nothing but accusations with zero proof to back them up and court action that was thrown out.

Sorry, but no.

Unproven is unproven.

You don't get to decide guilt along Party lines.

Something you con-servatives really do need to learn.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:39pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:58am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:06am: Stratos wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:03am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 5:55am: I don't mind that he was accused. I do mind the fact that he was not convicted, yet you continue to call him a woman basher despite this not being what the court decided. Continue with the lie and you will be reported each time. Oh cool you can report people for lying?  Does that mean I can get people who call asylum seekers illegals banned? No, the government calls them illegal immigrants. Check if you don't believe me. I checked. You lied. Reported. Have a nice day. You did not check very well. Care to offer an apology to me now? Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has instructed departmental and detention centre staff to publicly refer to asylum seekers as ‘‘illegal’’ arrivals and as ‘‘detainees’’, rather than as clients. The directive has been criticised as a ‘‘profound’’ shift by a leading asylum seeker agency, which says the new terminology is designed to dehumanise people. In an email to detention centre staff, obtained by Fairfax Media, a department official writes: ‘‘The department has received correspondence from the minister clarifying his expectations about the department’s use of terminology. Accordingly we as [sic] that our service providers also adhere to the below instructions.’’ These include calling all people who arrive in Australia by boat ‘‘illegal maritime arrivals’’, a marked change from the more moderate language used under the previous government. When it came to office in 2007, Labor dropped the Howard government’s description of asylum seekers who arrived by boat as ‘‘illegal maritime arrivals’’, calling them ‘‘irregular maritime arrivals’’. It said this was done in recognition of the fact it is not illegal under Australian domestic law or international law to claim asylum. The new directive reverses this. The email to detention centre and Serco staff also instructs them to describe asylum seekers being held in detention centres in Australia as ‘‘detainees’’ rather than as ‘‘clients’’, as they had been called under Labor. People being held on Nauru and Papua New Guinea’s Manus Island are to be called ‘‘transferees’’, not  ‘‘clients’’. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/minister-wants-boat-people-called-illegals-20131019-2vtl0.html LOL    You fool.  You just destroyed your own "argument". Nowhere in that article does the government refer to asylum seekers as "illegal immigrants". LOL    ;D I repeat. I checked. You lied. You are still a liar. http://replygif.net/i/818.gif

Illegal immigrants/illegal arrivals = same thing...  ::)

Mr Salad, if you want to bring this up again, thats fine, but i see you have already been served by Mr Peccary.

I hope you stop using false and misleading terms in the future.

nice one Greg

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Kat wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:35pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:30pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven. Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D At least we know the sooky boy now. ;D ;D :D ;D Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up. No difference at all, they were BOTH unproven. Your hypocrisy is showing... Big difference. For Gillard, there are legal documents and a money trail. For Abbott, nothing but accusations with zero proof to back them up and court action that was thrown out.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D "mummy he said a bad word about my hero, so  I make up lies about the last PM". " I have even convinced myself they are true mummy".  ;D ;D :D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 5:04pm:

Illegal immigrants/illegal arrivals = same thing...  ::)

http://timmilburn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/epic-failure-thumbnail1.jpg

Not even close.

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skippy. wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:30pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven. Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D At least we know the sooky boy now. ;D ;D :D ;D Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up. No need for a stat dec sweet thing, another women accused him of indecent assault too, she even went to court, the Judge could not rule either way, so the judge did not find him not guilty at all. It must suck to support a man that is violent to women, have you no shame? Oh don't bother to answer that.

How many people Abbott's age have been before the courts TWICE!!! for assaulting a woman.  I've never been charged with anything (unless you count parking and speed limit fines) and that's the same for an overwhelming majority of people Abbott's age. So how come people vote for a d!ckhead like that for their PM.  Have you no pride in yourself. 

We heard you the first time echo boy.

skippy. wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:30pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven. Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D At least we know the sooky boy now. ;D ;D :D ;D Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up. No need for a stat dec sweet thing, another women accused him of indecent assault too, she even went to court, the Judge could not rule either way, so the judge did not find him not guilty at all. It must suck to support a man that is violent to women, have you no shame? Oh don't bother to answer that.

actually, the judge found that there was no case to answer ie there was no evidence to support even a prima facie case.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:47pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:35pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:30pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven. Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D At least we know the sooky boy now. ;D ;D :D ;D Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up. No need for a stat dec sweet thing, another women accused him of indecent assault too, she even went to court, the Judge could not rule either way, so the judge did not find him not guilty at all. It must suck to support a man that is violent to women, have you no shame? Oh don't bother to answer that. actually, the judge found that there was no case to answer ie there was no evidence to support even a prima facie case.

Actually, you're a liar, surprise surprise surprise... ::)

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:47pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:35pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:30pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven. Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D At least we know the sooky boy now. ;D ;D :D ;D Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up. No need for a stat dec sweet thing, another women accused him of indecent assault too, she even went to court, the Judge could not rule either way, so the judge did not find him not guilty at all. It must suck to support a man that is violent to women, have you no shame? Oh don't bother to answer that. actually, the judge found that there was no case to answer ie there was no evidence to support even a prima facie case.

Can you back that up with ... anything?

I heard that the magistrate complained of "enormous conflict" between the prosecution and defence evidence.

Willing to look at whatever you've got though.

Damn rogue polls

Just waiting for next poor women to come forward with her horrible ordeal at the hands of Abbott.

Maqqa wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:16pm:

Damn rogue polls

get used to them .. I've got a feeling you're going to have a lot of rogue polls.  ;D ;D ;D

skippy. wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:13pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:47pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:35pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:30pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven. Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D At least we know the sooky boy now. ;D ;D :D ;D Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up. No need for a stat dec sweet thing, another women accused him of indecent assault too, she even went to court, the Judge could not rule either way, so the judge did not find him not guilty at all. It must suck to support a man that is violent to women, have you no shame? Oh don't bother to answer that. actually, the judge found that there was no case to answer ie there was no evidence to support even a prima facie case. Can you back that up with ... anything? I heard that the magistrate complained of "enormous conflict" between the prosecution and defence evidence. Willing to look at whatever you've got though. Exactly.. LW is  a compulsive liar.

Yep.

I've seen no evidence to the contrary.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

Can you back that up with ... anything?

thats, it, you won't see longstupidone again ... he always runs and hides when asked to back anything up!  ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:21pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:16pm: Damn rogue polls get used to them .. I've got a feeling you're going to have a lot of rogue polls.  ;D ;D ;D

that feeling is sh1t dripping out of your ears

And the señora is the pole poll-dancer!

Maqqa wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:21pm: Maqqa wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:16pm: Damn rogue polls get used to them .. I've got a feeling you're going to have a lot of rogue polls.  ;D ;D ;D that feeling is sh1t dripping out of your ears

how would you know?  unless, of course,  you had experienced it yourself .......

run forrest run

viewpoint wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:31pm:

And the señora is the pole poll-dancer!

you must be mistaking me for your mother

John Smith wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:33pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:28pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:21pm: Maqqa wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:16pm: Damn rogue polls get used to them .. I've got a feeling you're going to have a lot of rogue polls.  ;D ;D ;D that feeling is sh1t dripping out of your ears how would you know?  unless, of course,  you had experienced it yourself ....... run forrest run

yes

runs

it's the cr@p coming out of your mouth as well

Maqqa wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:33pm: Maqqa wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:28pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:21pm: Maqqa wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:16pm: Damn rogue polls get used to them .. I've got a feeling you're going to have a lot of rogue polls.  ;D ;D ;D that feeling is sh1t dripping out of your ears how would you know?  unless, of course,  you had experienced it yourself ....... run forrest run yes runs it's the cr@p coming out of your mouth as well

you keep projecting yourself onto others

sounds like your box of chocolates is nearly empty gumpy ..... . ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:35pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:33pm: Maqqa wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:28pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:21pm: Maqqa wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:16pm: Damn rogue polls get used to them .. I've got a feeling you're going to have a lot of rogue polls.  ;D ;D ;D that feeling is sh1t dripping out of your ears how would you know?  unless, of course,  you had experienced it yourself ....... run forrest run yes runs it's the cr@p coming out of your mouth as well you keep projecting yourself onto others sounds like your box of chocolates is nearly empty gumpy ..... . ;D ;D

No need to project

You are a prime example of everything that's wrong with humanity and non-humanity

Maqqa wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:37pm: Maqqa wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:35pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:33pm: Maqqa wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:28pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:21pm: Maqqa wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:16pm: Damn rogue polls get used to them .. I've got a feeling you're going to have a lot of rogue polls.  ;D ;D ;D that feeling is sh1t dripping out of your ears how would you know?  unless, of course,  you had experienced it yourself ....... run forrest run yes runs it's the cr@p coming out of your mouth as well you keep projecting yourself onto others sounds like your box of chocolates is nearly empty gumpy ..... . ;D ;D No need to project You are a prime example of everything that's wrong with humanity and non-humanity

I'll take your word on the non humanity part, that seems to be your area of expertise, however you really should leave any comments on humanity to the humans.

Now The Bloody Idiot (TBI) has upset PNG:


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Papua New Guinea will summon Australia’s High Commissioner to explain Australia’s position on spying in PNG. And the country is working with Israel to boost its intelligence capabilities. Prime Minister Peter O’Neill has told PNG Parliament that Australia should respect his country’s sovereignty, and tapping phones without authority was illegal.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/11/25/png-escalates-spy-row-brings-israelis

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:46pm:

Now The Bloody Idiot (TBI) has upset PNG: Quote: Papua New Guinea will summon Australia’s High Commissioner to explain Australia’s position on spying in PNG. And the country is working with Israel to boost its intelligence capabilities. Prime Minister Peter O’Neill has told PNG Parliament that Australia should respect his country’s sovereignty, and tapping phones without authority was illegal. http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/11/25/png-escalates-spy-row-brings-israelis

;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:47pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:35pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:30pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven. Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D At least we know the sooky boy now. ;D ;D :D ;D Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up. No need for a stat dec sweet thing, another women accused him of indecent assault too, she even went to court, the Judge could not rule either way, so the judge did not find him not guilty at all. It must suck to support a man that is violent to women, have you no shame? Oh don't bother to answer that. actually, the judge found that there was no case to answer ie there was no evidence to support even a prima facie case. Can you back that up with ... anything? I heard that the magistrate complained of "enormous conflict" between the prosecution and defence evidence. Willing to look at whatever you've got though.

the case didn't go to trial.  there was no evidence presented because there was nothing more than a single non-credible complaint that not one single other person was willing to substantiate.  and the alleged incident supposedly occurred in full view of a crowd  - none of whom witnessed it.

it never occurred to you that the idea of a woman making a false sexual allegation didn't just being recently?

the 'conflict' over evidence was in fact the absence of it.

alas, some things don't change.  Here in SA a man was recently charged with a 30 year old child murder.  29 years ago another man was charged, tried, convicted and jail over this crime on 'circumstantial evidence' which was no rather obviously all wrong.

So longy is calling the women a liar. As Gregory said, no evidence from longy just more lies. ::)

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Kevin Bonham @kevinbonham Follow #Newspoll 52-48 to L-NP by 2010 prefs.  I get 51-49 by 2013 prefs. No-one's replicating #Nielsen but L-NP lead clearly narrowed. #auspol

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GhostWhoVotes @GhostWhoVotes Follow #Newspoll Primary Votes: L/NP 43 (-2) ALP 35 (+3) GRN 10 (-2) #auspol 10:26 PM - 25 Nov 2013

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GhostWhoVotes @GhostWhoVotes Follow #Newspoll 2 Party Preferred: L/NP 52 (-1) ALP 48 (+1) #auspol 10:25 PM - 25 Nov 2013

Personal support for Prime Minister Tony Abbott has fallen, according to a new poll out today.

The latest Newspoll survey, published in News Limited newspapers, shows support for Mr Abbott has fallen from 46 per cent to 44 per cent, while Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has enjoyed a 3 per cent rise to 33 per cent.

Labor's primary vote has also improved, rising from 32 per cent to 35 per cent, while the Coalition's support fell from 45 per cent to 43 per cent.

The Coalition continues to lead Labor on a two-party preferred basis, 52 per cent to 48 per cent.

According to the poll, Mr Abbott has gone from 47 per cent to 44 per cent as preferred prime minister, while Mr Shorten has gone from 28 per cent to 33 per cent.

The poll was conducted at the weekend and comes on the back of .

It has a 3 per cent margin of error.
;)

Personal support for Prime Minister Tony Abbott has fallen, according to a new poll out today.

The latest Newspoll survey, published in News Limited newspapers, shows support for Mr Abbott has fallen from 46 per cent to 44 per cent, while Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has enjoyed a 3 per cent rise to 33 per cent.

Labor's primary vote has also improved, rising from 32 per cent to 35 per cent, while the Coalition's support fell from 45 per cent to 43 per cent.

The Coalition continues to lead Labor on a two-party preferred basis, 52 per cent to 48 per cent.

According to the poll, Mr Abbott has gone from 47 per cent to 44 per cent as preferred prime minister, while Mr Shorten has gone from 28 per cent to 33 per cent.

The poll was conducted at the weekend and comes on the back of .

It has a 3 per cent margin of error.
;)

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 26^th, 2013 at 8:05am:

Quote: Kevin Bonham @kevinbonham Follow #Newspoll 52-48 to L-NP by 2010 prefs.  I get 51-49 by 2013 prefs. No-one's replicating #Nielsen but L-NP lead clearly narrowed. #auspol [quote]GhostWhoVotes @GhostWhoVotes Follow #Newspoll Primary Votes: L/NP 43 (-2) ALP 35 (+3) GRN 10 (-2) #auspol 10:26 PM - 25 Nov 2013

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GhostWhoVotes @GhostWhoVotes Follow #Newspoll 2 Party Preferred: L/NP 52 (-1) ALP 48 (+1) #auspol 10:25 PM - 25 Nov 2013

[/quote]
Personal support for Prime Minister Tony Abbott has fallen, according to a new poll out today.

The latest Newspoll survey, published in News Limited newspapers, shows support for Mr Abbott has fallen from 46 per cent to 44 per cent, while Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has enjoyed a 3 per cent rise to 33 per cent.

Labor's primary vote has also improved, rising from 32 per cent to 35 per cent, while the Coalition's support fell from 45 per cent to 43 per cent.

The Coalition continues to lead Labor on a two-party preferred basis, 52 per cent to 48 per cent.

According to the poll, Mr Abbott has gone from 47 per cent to 44 per cent as preferred prime minister, while Mr Shorten has gone from 28 per cent to 33 per cent.

The poll was conducted at the weekend and comes on the back of .

It has a 3 per cent margin of error.
;)

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2013 at 7:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 7:13pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:47pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:35pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 3:30pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven. Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D At least we know the sooky boy now. ;D ;D :D ;D Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up. No need for a stat dec sweet thing, another women accused him of indecent assault too, she even went to court, the Judge could not rule either way, so the judge did not find him not guilty at all. It must suck to support a man that is violent to women, have you no shame? Oh don't bother to answer that. actually, the judge found that there was no case to answer ie there was no evidence to support even a prima facie case. Can you back that up with ... anything? I heard that the magistrate complained of "enormous conflict" between the prosecution and defence evidence. Willing to look at whatever you've got though. the case didn't go to trial.  there was no evidence presented because there was nothing more than a single non-credible complaint that not one single other person was willing to substantiate.  and the alleged incident supposedly occurred in full view of a crowd  - none of whom witnessed it. the 'conflict' over evidence was in fact the absence of it.

"Outside the court Mr Abbott said the woman's evidence was "politically motivated". He threatened to consider action for malicious prosecution."

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/17/1089694611809.html

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/17/1089694611809.html

Phony Tony must be the creepiest Aussie since Dolly Dunn plied his wares  :D

adelcrow wrote on Nov 26^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/17/1089694611809.html Phony Tony must be the creepiest Aussie since Dolly Dunn plied his wares  :D

Indeed.


http://www.bubblews.com/assets/images/news/1148023742_1375929361.jpg

Polls are also showing that although the public want Gillards carbon tax scrapped that they dont want Abbotts dimwitted direct action...they in fact want Shortys ETS.

I don't...
Why don't they allow the repeal of the carbon tax?  After all they were going to do that themselves.
They just want to stuff everyone around for political reasons.
Poll lead didn't last long did it...  said as much yesterday...  ;D ;D ;D

Grendel wrote on Nov 26^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

Why don't they allow the repeal of the carbon tax?

Because Abbott won't replace it with a better policy. The command-economy "Direct Action Plan" is not a better policy.


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Poll lead didn't last long did it...

It's only a single poll. We cannot draw firm conclusions from single polls.