http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-29/pyne-drops-education-overhaul-bombshell-on-states-during-heated/5124968

Its time for the promised DD

Worst Government Ever

____ wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 5:31pm:

Worst Government Ever

Even their conservative mates cant believe how dumb this federal government is

That’s right, leftards. Stable government, steady as she goes, grown-ups back in charge. They are stopping, they are stopping, and they will be stopped.

Mr Pyne is the education minister now. Anyone who doesn’t like it can suck Mr Abbott’s slug.

Remington Pyne Jr.  The Federal Minister for Private Education  :D

adelcrow wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 5:36pm:

____ wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 5:31pm: Worst Government Ever Even their conservative mates cant believe how dumb this federal government is

No-one can, except for the shills, idiots, and rusted-ons who post here.

Kat wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

adelcrow wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 5:36pm: ____ wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 5:31pm: Worst Government Ever Even their conservative mates cant believe how dumb this federal government is No-one can, except for the shills, idiots, and rusted-ons who post here.

The day will come when they finally admit that they were duped by one term tony and his band of retards.

Seems we have a direct opposite then.

The ALP and its supporters seem to think those of us who went to private school can get stuff.

Obviously they are happy to take our parents' tax money to waste on public schools.....

____ wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 5:31pm:

Worst Government Ever

Sorry the prior Government and Gough Whitlam still have an iron clad grasp on that title.

____ wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 5:31pm:

Worst Government Ever

By a country mile.

Well you can forget crapping on about the worst government ever bull...  it's not even a close race so far LABOR by a country mile.

As for private/public...  well public is mainly the states responsibility, or didn't you know? 

As for Pyne so far he has not made any statements that I've heard that would back this LW propaganda up.  I'd like to know just how much adelcrow gets paid by the ALP to spams sites like this though. I could do with the extra cash myself.

My opinion re public/private...  if you choose private then you should pay for it not the government.
Specifically on education...  private schools should fund themselves that is what private means, public schools should be funded by the state governments they are their responsibility.  Each child should be funded by the Commonwealth individually no matter what form of education private or public their parents decide they should go to... 

The issue I have always had is that I am perfectly happy to pay for my own children in private schooling.

But why should I not get a tax rebate for not using the public system?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:59pm:

____ wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 5:31pm: Worst Government Ever Sorry the prior Government and Gough Whitlam still have an iron clad grasp on that title.

Yes the prior Howard government were pretty bad but even they didn't fail in 3 weeks!

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:22pm:

The issue I have always had is that I am perfectly happy to pay for my own children in private schooling. But why should I not get a tax rebate for not using the public system?

You don't pay tax in Australia and don't live in Australia and you still expect an education rebate?

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:34pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 7:22pm: The issue I have always had is that I am perfectly happy to pay for my own children in private schooling. But why should I not get a tax rebate for not using the public system? You don't pay tax in Australia and don't live in Australia and you still expect an education rebate?

This is not a personal point - more a generic one about the system in Australia for people who do what we would be doing.

If you make each point personal it becomes absurd.

Grendel wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:11pm:

My opinion re public/private...  if you choose private then you should pay for it not the government. Specifically on education...  private schools should fund themselves that is what private means, public schools should be funded by the state governments they are their responsibility.  Each child should be funded by the Commonwealth individually no matter what form of education private or public their parents decide they should go to...

Forget about your opinion for a minute as I'm not sure anyone cares anyway but how about Abbotts unity ticket on education ???

He lied - He made a very specific commitment pre election and has now clearly broken that promise.

Abbott needed to shut down Labors advantage on education and to do it he quite simply lied.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 7:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 7:22pm: The issue I have always had is that I am perfectly happy to pay for my own children in private schooling. But why should I not get a tax rebate for not using the public system? You don't pay tax in Australia and don't live in Australia and you still expect an education rebate? This is not a personal point - more a generic one about the system in Australia for people who do what we would be doing. If you make each point personal it becomes absurd.

You did use the word "I" three times?

Maybe your generic tax dollars went to roads and Hospitals ?

Why do people who don't have children or older children not get a tax rebate on education or people who are healthy get a rebate on medical etc. It quickly becomes real silly.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 7:46pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 7:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 7:22pm: The issue I have always had is that I am perfectly happy to pay for my own children in private schooling. But why should I not get a tax rebate for not using the public system? You don't pay tax in Australia and don't live in Australia and you still expect an education rebate? This is not a personal point - more a generic one about the system in Australia for people who do what we would be doing. If you make each point personal it becomes absurd. You did use the word "I" three times? Maybe your generic tax dollars went to roads and Hospitals ?

Why do people who don't work or contribute to the tax pool get to have free healthcare at other people's expense?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 7:56pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 7:46pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 7:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 7:22pm: The issue I have always had is that I am perfectly happy to pay for my own children in private schooling. But why should I not get a tax rebate for not using the public system? You don't pay tax in Australia and don't live in Australia and you still expect an education rebate? This is not a personal point - more a generic one about the system in Australia for people who do what we would be doing. If you make each point personal it becomes absurd. You did use the word "I" three times? Maybe your generic tax dollars went to roads and Hospitals ? Why do people who don't work or contribute to the tax pool get to have free healthcare at other people's expense?

What has that got to do with Abbott and Pyne's great big education lie ???

You must be disappointed in the governments lack of honesty ??

To be really honest I dont care.

I do though care about the fact that the ALP always seem to be anti-private education and always wanted to take benefits off me which helped in areas of private investment - eg schools and healthcare.

I am a man who supports user-pays. Labor clearly don't.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 8:05pm:

To be really honest I dont care. I do though care about the fact that the ALP always seem to be anti-private education and always wanted to take benefits off me which helped in areas of private investment - eg schools and healthcare. I am a man who supports user-pays. Labor clearly don't.

LOL
Good one

Did you mean to be ironic ;D

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 8:14pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 8:05pm: To be really honest I dont care. I do though care about the fact that the ALP always seem to be anti-private education and always wanted to take benefits off me which helped in areas of private investment - eg schools and healthcare. I am a man who supports user-pays. Labor clearly don't. LOL Good one Did you mean to be ironic ;D

I think his wife does the ironing.

A shop does my ironing actually.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 9:16pm:

A shop does my ironing actually.

You take out your ironing? What for?

So you can turn up to moderate this board all day?

Take my advice, son. Get a cardigan. Save on the ironing.

I'm a few decades away from wearing cardigans son.

We'll leave that to old b@stards like you.

A shop does 10 shirts for 9 quid on the way to work - fking handsome.

I'm not going to do with it and my wife has 2 children to look after and doesnt have time.

You do the maths old fella.

Cardigans LOL - my old grandfather used to wear them. He used to go on about war stories too.. Maybe there's a link?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 7:56pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 7:46pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 7:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 7:22pm: The issue I have always had is that I am perfectly happy to pay for my own children in private schooling. But why should I not get a tax rebate for not using the public system? You don't pay tax in Australia and don't live in Australia and you still expect an education rebate? This is not a personal point - more a generic one about the system in Australia for people who do what we would be doing. If you make each point personal it becomes absurd. You did use the word "I" three times? Maybe your generic tax dollars went to roads and Hospitals ? Why do people who don't work or contribute to the tax pool get to have free healthcare at other people's expense?

Taxpayer now, are we, son?

I do hope you’re not knocking your grandfather. Blokes like him fought and killed to keep the lower races out, you know.

You should show him some respect.

Always been a taxpayer son.

Check with the HMRC if you like - I am doing my bit.

Better show us your giro then. On your unused desk next to your two passports thanks, Andrei.

I want a good look at the number.

No thanks boss.

Just take it from me, I've paid into Australia in my time son.

Like every good citizen should and taken out of it what I have deserved. As every good citizen is entitled.

You’re like Robin Hood, Andrei.

Employ Asians, don’t you?

Good workers, Asians. The birds are good lookers too - love you long time if you’re cashed up.

They love a man with two passports, even if he is on the dole.

Son I wouldn't even know what the dole looked like.

I have been on the dole as much as you have served in Vietnam?

How you going with that XBox game anyway? Got up to level 4 yet? I've been promoted to Captain now.

Surely must out-rank you.


You know what I genuinely think you believe you did serve...

Bit like the lunatic who dresses as Napoleon in the asylum.

Send in the armies eh?
;)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 9:29pm:

I'm not going to do it ( ... ironing) and my wife has 2 children to look after and doesnt have time.

She needs one of THESE, if looking after 2 kids - and doing the occasional spot of ironing - is too much to cope with

http://acriticalreviewofthehelp.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/older-mammy.jpg

... as her mother would have done

Her mother is from Townsville. Pretty sure that's not the case.

But why let facts get in the way of broad based unsupported assumptions...

Townsville....

Yes, she would have had one, same colour, different lingo.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 9:16pm:

A shop does my ironing actually.

I wont take that literally, I'm going to assume that someone in the shop does the ironing.

A liberal government ripping off education - now there's a surprise - NOT.

The Liberal tradition continues.

A Liberal government lying to gain power - another non surprise.

The Liberal tradition continues.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 10:19pm:

Her mother is from Townsville. Pretty sure that's not the case. But why let facts get in the way of broad based unsupported assumptions...

MY mistake
I meant YOUR mother's mother


http://hihd.pts.org.tw/images/menu_pic/633.jpg

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:29am:

A liberal government ripping off education - now there's a surprise - NOT. The Liberal tradition continues. A Liberal government lying to gain power - another non surprise. The Liberal tradition continues.

Despite the initial disadvantages and a downgrading of quality of education so cruelly thrust on the children of hardworking, working-class parents - the Abbott/Pyne LIE on Gonski reform has its POSITIVES

Abbott has handed Labor his " ... not under any government I lead" moment VERY early in the picture
UNLIKE Gillard, he has NO minority government to justify a reversal of election policy

Come next election, working class families of the LibNat gains in the western suburbs - ANYTOWN - will be reminded of this deliberate BETRAYAL OF TRUST

NSW people will know Tony Vinson, for those who don’t here’s a bit about him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Vinson

Today Mr Vinson had a letter published in the SMH. It deserves a wider audience.


Quote:

Throughout my 50 years of working in and around prisons and involvement in disadvantaged communities and education, time and again it has been evident that ensuring that children have the opportunity to prosper educationally is a moral obligation on society. Over the years I have appreciated the remarks of those political leaders and education ministers who have couched their support for education in terms of the social and economic benefits to be derived from its adequate provision. However, until Minister Adrian Piccoli’s statements in defence of the previously agreed Gonski funding, I had never heard a politician explicitly recognise the moral basis for combating educational disadvantage, and the minister should be congratulated for that. He spoke pointedly of the scarcity of university graduates among the incarcerated of our society. He is in good intellectual company, for 160 years earlier, one of the brightest Australians of the 19th century, Daniel Deniehy, made a similar point. He declared one of the prime duties of a government in any country to be the education of its subjects. The fulfilment of that obligation, he said, disposes people to achieve not only materially but to acquire attitudes and behaviour that keep them out of the reach of the criminal justice system – “saving the building of many a new lock-up and penitentiary”. Acknowledging our particular obligation to children from socially disadvantaged backgrounds still leaves room for debate about the educational means to be employed but it does add urgency to the effort to uphold our declared value of the ”fair go”. The Gonski scheme, as originally formulated, is designed to achieve that goal. Tony Vinson Woollahra

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-letters/suffer-the-children-if-pyne-gets-his-way-20131129-2yh2m.html

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

NSW people will know Tony Vinson, for those who don’t here’s a bit about him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Vinson Today Mr Vinson had a letter published in the SMH. It deserves a wider audience. Quote: Throughout my 50 years of working in and around prisons and involvement in disadvantaged communities and education, time and again it has been evident that ensuring that children have the opportunity to prosper educationally is a moral obligation on society. Over the years I have appreciated the remarks of those political leaders and education ministers who have couched their support for education in terms of the social and economic benefits to be derived from its adequate provision. However, until Minister Adrian Piccoli’s statements in defence of the previously agreed Gonski funding, I had never heard a politician explicitly recognise the moral basis for combating educational disadvantage, and the minister should be congratulated for that. He spoke pointedly of the scarcity of university graduates among the incarcerated of our society. He is in good intellectual company, for 160 years earlier, one of the brightest Australians of the 19th century, Daniel Deniehy, made a similar point. He declared one of the prime duties of a government in any country to be the education of its subjects. The fulfilment of that obligation, he said, disposes people to achieve not only materially but to acquire attitudes and behaviour that keep them out of the reach of the criminal justice system – “saving the building of many a new lock-up and penitentiary”. Acknowledging our particular obligation to children from socially disadvantaged backgrounds still leaves room for debate about the educational means to be employed but it does add urgency to the effort to uphold our declared value of the ”fair go”. The Gonski scheme, as originally formulated, is designed to achieve that goal. Tony Vinson Woollahra http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-letters/suffer-the-children-if-pyne-gets-his-way-20131129-2yh2m.html

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The educate crims don't get CAUGHT

adelcrow wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 5:36pm:

____ wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 5:31pm: Worst Government Ever Even their conservative mates cant believe how dumb this federal government is

The NSW Premier, Barry O'Farrell, has warned the federal government against reneging on the funding deal struck on the Gonski education reforms.

Mr O'Farrell says New South Wales has an agreement for a set amount of money and his state won't settle for less.

He's criticised Mr Pyne's handling of the issue.

"In all my years in politics, I've worked out that it's best to have respectful discussions and consultations in private, not through the media," he said.

"Secondly, when you move into government, you've got to stop behaving like an Opposition [and] this issue has been escalated because of the poor way in which it's been handled."

The state Education Minister, Adrian Piccoli, says he's made policy commitments based on the funding agreement reached with the Commonwealth.

"We've got those commitments in place, we're doing great work, huge reforms to lift performance and this is a real body-blow for Education across the public, Catholic and private systems in NSW," he said.

Meantime, the Uralla-based spokeswoman of the NSW P&C, Rachel Sowden, has backed Barry O'Farrell over his criticism of Christopher Pyne's plans to re-negotiate education funding deals.

"We applaud Barry O'Farrell and the Eduction Minister for standing strong on this," she said.

"It is so important that the Gonski model is retained and very important that the equity funding made available to our students is maintained."

Rachel Sowden says Christopher Pyne has frightened parents and educators alike and has made the management of finances nearly impossible.

"Look, I think it makes it really hard to do any sort of budget planning for school," she said.

"We would be looking to ask Christopher Pyne to come to the table to talk to the Education ministers across the country and have a sensible conversation."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-26/fears-of-gonski-backpedal-has-premier-and-parents-up-in-arms/5118486






This REVERSAL of election policy is simly an avenue for one POMPOUS, former private school "old boy" to give extra money to the younger generation of POMPOUS private school boys


Don't think for a MOMENT, that when Pyne speaks of what is best for "our kids" - that he is necessarily talking about "your kids"





To think, people need to ASK, why I could never vote for these BASTARDS !

The former head of the NSW Education Department and a co-author of the Gonski report, Dr Ken Boston, says the situation could bring public education to its knees.

"Gonski was a done deal. This had been signed up. Mr Abbott had talked of a unity ticket," he said.

"Now ... we've potentially backed away from Commonwealth support for public education."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-30/gonski-author-labels-pyne-minister-on-l-plates-over-education/5126762





http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/239770221.jpg

Gonski: Christopher Pyne should know that Australia isn't England

The education minister is committed to a brand of Thatcherite liberalism combining free market economics and conservative morality.

Sabotaging Gonski guarantees his tenure's failure


http://licai.shangdu.com/uploadfile/2013/0627/20130627021750776.jpg



Christopher Pyne staged a dramatic intervention in the politics of Australian education this week. Using the platform of the Blue Room in Canberra’s parliament house, he announced that he intends to abandon any commitment to implementing the school funding agreements formalised by the Labor federal government between April and July 2013. In the week that Pyne sat down for his first meeting with state education ministers, this was big news.

Pyne had clearly made a decision to go early, and go hard, in attacking a model of school funding that he has opposed at every step of its development. His confidence in doing so, despite the blatant breaking of public promises made during the 2013 election campaign, suggests that he believes he can disregard those commitments and win a political fight to change course.

Public backing of Pyne by the prime minister, Tony Abbott, implies that this position is shared across the government.

But Pyne has miscalculated.

The fact that he has gone wrong so early, and so spectacularly, reveals some important things about his priorities and his understanding of politics. In order to make them clear, we need to clarify some features of the Gonski funding reforms and the nature of Australian education, which Pyne has deliberately put into contest.

First, the budget "black hole". As the Gillard government negotiated with states, territories and non-government school authorities during 2013, it put agreements in place one by one, starting with New South Wales.

The federal budget fell in May, while these negotiations were still ongoing. The government decided to make provision for further agreements before the election campaign without disclosing the amounts available because they were still the focus of intense negotiation with Victoria, the Northern Territory and others. Not every agreement was struck, and in its final economic update before the election campaign, treasurer Chris Bowen announced that $1.2bn, which had been placed in the contingency reserve for negotiating reasons and was uncommitted, would now be returned to the bottom line.

This $1.2bn has nothing to do with the $2.8bn reported in the May budget as the additional spending committed by the Gillard government to schools to pay for the funding agreements that it had already struck. In turn, that $2.8bn was simply a funding estimate, using Treasury accounting, of the additional federal funding being committed over four years, the standard period for Budget Estimates.

The actual dollar amounts being committed over six years in the funding agreements were far greater, and represented a better deal for schools than they could ever have imagined under the previous system. The federal government was increasing its share of this funding, as a deliberate objective, in order to work towards higher student achievement – especially among those facing socioeconomic disadvantage.

By claiming a “unity ticket” with Labor over their four year commitment of $2.8bn, Abbott and Pyne were already misleading the public to believe that they were matching the formal agreements that had been struck.

This week they have gone further, by ripping up even that commitment, and seeking to blame the change on an unrelated decision about $1.2bn, and then apparently on the "confusion" of journalists in reporting their earlier commitments.

The fact that Pyne is prepared to proffer such a blatant untruth about this detail should give some clues as to what he says about the rest of the Gonski model.


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/30/gonski-christopher-pyne-should-know-that-australia-isnt-england

woody2014 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 2:02pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 1:57pm: NSW people will know Tony Vinson, for those who don’t here’s a bit about him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Vinson Today Mr Vinson had a letter published in the SMH. It deserves a wider audience. Quote: Throughout my 50 years of working in and around prisons and involvement in disadvantaged communities and education, time and again it has been evident that ensuring that children have the opportunity to prosper educationally is a moral obligation on society. Over the years I have appreciated the remarks of those political leaders and education ministers who have couched their support for education in terms of the social and economic benefits to be derived from its adequate provision. However, until Minister Adrian Piccoli’s statements in defence of the previously agreed Gonski funding, I had never heard a politician explicitly recognise the moral basis for combating educational disadvantage, and the minister should be congratulated for that. He spoke pointedly of the scarcity of university graduates among the incarcerated of our society. He is in good intellectual company, for 160 years earlier, one of the brightest Australians of the 19th century, Daniel Deniehy, made a similar point. He declared one of the prime duties of a government in any country to be the education of its subjects. The fulfilment of that obligation, he said, disposes people to achieve not only materially but to acquire attitudes and behaviour that keep them out of the reach of the criminal justice system – “saving the building of many a new lock-up and penitentiary”. Acknowledging our particular obligation to children from socially disadvantaged backgrounds still leaves room for debate about the educational means to be employed but it does add urgency to the effort to uphold our declared value of the ”fair go”. The Gonski scheme, as originally formulated, is designed to achieve that goal. Tony Vinson Woollahra http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-letters/suffer-the-children-if-pyne-gets-his-way-20131129-2yh2m.html The educate crims don't get CAUGHT

The educate crims don't get CAUGHT

The dumb ones go to prison the smart ones become Liberal politicians.

carbon  tax lie/promise.


Now we can laugh as you choke on your hypocrisy.

Class war and envy.

The speciality of the ALP support.

"It's not fair! Why shouldn't I have that too???! What pay??"

Private schools have good staff morale and a sense of drive and purpose. 
A lot of public schools have a public service mentality. Clock watching, unionised, .

It's no surprise the motivated send their kids private where they can mix with similarly motivated parents and teachers.

Says it all about letting socialist losers like the federal government get involved in education.

Parents should give up their grog, smokes, pokies , catch public transport, live on tuna on toast , ANYTHING , to get their kids into a private school. Best investment you'll ever make, migrants recognise this .  Second generation migrants excel because of it

Can't say I've ever been overly impressed with public schools.

Then again the public sector has never really impressed me in any industry.

On Wednesday, Education Minister Christopher Pyne pledged an extra $230 million for states that did not sign up to the former Labor government's so-called Gonski reforms. Out of the new funds, Western Australia will receive $31 million, the Northern Territory will get $67 million and Queensland will bag $131 million next year.
''That means every student in Australia is being treated fairly and equitably,'' Mr Pyne said in Adelaide.
The Coalition argued Labor ''ripped'' $1.2 billion out of schools funding before the election - putting money that had been set aside for states who had not yet signed up to the Gonski plan back into consolidated revenue.

The Sydney Morning Herald

This is why I get labelled as a lefty, because I always expect the Libs to rip funding away from Education, Health, and Welfare, so they can fund better Fringe Benefits for the wealthy.  The funny thing is, all my most dire predictions of their acts of utter bastardry, are invariably fulfilled. They will once again run down all public sector spending to ridiculous levels, then pillory Labor as extravagant spenders when they try to restore them to any level of reasonable equity.  Libs are tolerable if the centre faction gets a say, but utter pricks when the loony right rules, like we are seeing now.  Pyne and Abbott, world class PRICKS.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

carbon  tax lie/promise. Now we can laugh as you choke on your hypocrisy.

The only thing likely to choke us is laughing at your hypocrisy.

Between this klutz of a PM and his monke...er, 'ministers' and
some of the RW crap posted here, we've plenty TO laugh at!!

mozzaok wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

This is why I get labelled as a lefty, because I always expect the Libs to rip funding away from Education, Health, and Welfare, so they can fund better Fringe Benefits for the wealthy.  The funny thing is, all my most dire predictions of their acts of utter bastardry, are invariably fulfilled. They will once again run down all public sector spending to ridiculous levels, then pillory Labor as extravagant spenders when they try to restore them to any level of reasonable equity.  Libs are tolerable if the centre faction gets a say, but utter pricks when the loony right rules, like we are seeing now.  Pyne and Abbott, world class PRICKS.

Hi, Mozzaok..

Well put, if I may say so...

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

carbon  tax lie/promise. Now we can laugh as you choke on your hypocrisy.

Jesus F. CHRIST !

... not THAT old, dried up bowl of sh!t, again


Gillard went to the election "determined to put a price on carbon" in the form of an ETS floating price, with a 12 month fixed price run in

Rudd went to an election "determined to put a price on carbon" in the form of an ETS floating price, with a 12 month fixed price run in

( ... what became of THAT "mandate" ?)

Howard went to the same election "determined to put a price on carbon" in the form of an ETS floating price, with a 12 month fixed price run in




Under negotiation and compromise - with independents and The Greens - Gillard's " a 12 month fixed price run in" became three years, under democratic process

Though some RESEMBLENCE, a temporary fixed price on an ETS is NOT a "carbon tax"

A "carbon tax" is a PERMANENTLY placed mechanism

Due to the LibNat and media PERSISTANCE in referring to a temporary fixed price AS a "carbon tax" - Gillard eventually let it slide

She described that decision, in a recent essay, as "one of my biggest errors"



We KNOW - you are WELL AWARE of that



Abbott never had ANY intention of being "at one with Kevin Rudd" on Gonski funding reform if he won the election

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

carbon  tax lie/promise. Now we can laugh as you choke on your hypocrisy.

The Gonski lies and a unity ticket.


While we laugh at yours.

If you think that the carbon price was a lie then this one is a doosey - no place to hide - no deniability, its just black and white.

They told a direct lie to nullify a week area and to help win the election.