They're incompetent. 'Nuff said.

I would think that the election of the current government rather renders that position untenable.

Incompetent governments are electable.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:50am:

I would think that the election of the current government rather renders that position untenable. Incompetent governments are electable.

Labor knows all about incompetent government, don't they? They set the standard, low as it is.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:56am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:50am: I would think that the election of the current government rather renders that position untenable. Incompetent governments are electable. Labor knows all about incompetent government, don't they? They set the standard, low as it is.

Not low enough for your lot to equal.

There is one more reason Labor will lose the next Federal election: the margin to take back enough seats is too great. Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength. Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years.

Kat wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:57am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:56am: Dnarever wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:50am: I would think that the election of the current government rather renders that position untenable. Incompetent governments are electable. Labor knows all about incompetent government, don't they? They set the standard, low as it is. Not low enough for your lot to equal.

True, no one can go lower than Labor...

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:50am:

I would think that the election of the current government rather renders that position untenable. Incompetent governments are electable.

hi dna havent seen you on the did shorty rape a 16 yr old.. thread....

how come? I would have thought you of all people would be on there deflecting left right and centre?...dont tell me ...........no I know you wouldnt believe it.. ::) ::)

only if it was Abbott.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

Kat wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:57am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:56am: Dnarever wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:50am: I would think that the election of the current government rather renders that position untenable. Incompetent governments are electable. Labor knows all about incompetent government, don't they? They set the standard, low as it is. Not low enough for your lot to equal. True, no one can go lower than Labor...

spot on ap spot on..OBEID is a good example of everything that labor represents..

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:56am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:50am: I would think that the election of the current government rather renders that position untenable. Incompetent governments are electable. Labor knows all about incompetent government, don't they? They set the standard, low as it is.

If that were true you would have to wonder how the Liberals managed to crawl under the bar so easily.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 8:56am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:56am: Dnarever wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:50am: I would think that the election of the current government rather renders that position untenable. Incompetent governments are electable. Labor knows all about incompetent government, don't they? They set the standard, low as it is. iIf that were true you would have to wonder how the Liberals managed to crawl under the bar so easily.

can you give us one NAME of a LIB that even comes close to OBEID?????????.

just one will do it dna... on another thread you said something to a lib about telling at least a half truth..


how about you following your own advice..?

OBEID is out there he will be in the history of the ALP books forever.. along with quite a few others....Gillard and SHorty will also be there..
synonymous with being involved in money disappearing..... not exps rorts...

just plain old other peoples money being funneled into the wrong bank accounts.... embezzling I think its called..

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:57am:

There is one more reason Labor will lose the next Federal election: the margin to take back enough seats is too great. Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength. Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years.

Strength to strength?

Which alternate universe are you in?

A scabby sore could beat one term tony when he calls a DD next year.
Shorty will give the speedo kid the flogging of his life  ;D

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 8:56am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:56am: Dnarever wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:50am: I would think that the election of the current government rather renders that position untenable. Incompetent governments are electable. Labor knows all about incompetent government, don't they? They set the standard, low as it is. If that were true you would have to wonder how the Liberals managed to crawl under the bar so easily.

They didn't crawl, they walked upright with clearance to spare.

one term tony and his far right goons have had a record plummet in popularity so it will be easy for a record swing against them at the next election.
Shorty will be PM for a very long time

What John Olsen did to the Liberal Party more than a decade ago should be a lesson for the speedo kid.
One term tony is on track to do an "Olsen"  ;D

Armchair has to be an eight year old girl given her sooky posts and running off to the mods with anything she doesn't like. Imagine starting a sooky me too thread like this? Eight year old stuff. In fact that's being unfair to eight year old girls.

Only an insane person would think the speedo kid is going to be any more than a one term wonder.
I knew he was going to be crap but even I couldn't imagine just how dismal one term tony was actually gonna be.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:57am:

There is one more reason Labor will lose the next Federal election: the margin to take back enough seats is too great.

Stupid argument. When the votes are counted, all candidates start from zero.


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Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength.

This is untrue. Their failures are mounting. So far, they've annoyed Indonesia and China with foreign policy failures, put the future of the live cattle trade with Indonesia under threat due to their bungling, have undone years of good work from both sides of politics on people smuggling and have lied to the Australian people about education funding. There's more to come as well. Wait until Australians see electricity prices still rising when the carbon price is repealed, exposing another Abbott lie.


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Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years.

Internal warfare is not the only way a government can lose an election. The ship of government can have a crew as unified as you want, but it does no good if the ship is sinking.

adelcrow wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:29am:

Only an insane person would think the speedo kid is going to be any more than a one term wonder. I knew he was going to be crap but even I couldn't imagine just how dismal one term tony was actually gonna be.

Another day another dollar eh crow?
Labor rates are rather poor. ;D :D

Bam wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:57am: There is one more reason Labor will lose the next Federal election: the margin to take back enough seats is too great. Stupid argument. When the votes are counted, all candidates start from zero. I agree...  but all the commentators and the parties use this logic. Quote: Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength. This is untrue. Their failures are mounting. really?  where?  So far, they've annoyed Indonesia and China with foreign policy failures, One being Labor induced right the other being China induced.  put the future of the live cattle trade with Indonesia under threat due to their bungling, rubbish... have undone years of good work from both sides of politics on people smuggling more rubbish... and have lied to the Australian people about education funding. true. There's more to come as well. Undoubtably...  3 more years of it and odds are, it won't all be bad... Wait until Australians see electricity prices still rising when the carbon price is repealed, exposing another Abbott lie.  No matter what happens, without the carbon tax they will be less than they would have been with it. [quote]Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years.

Internal warfare is not the only way a government can lose an election. The ship of government can have a crew as unified as you want, but it does no good if the ship is sinking.  But we aren't. The last Coalition government even left Labor with a life-raft of funds... remember?  How soon we forget eh. 
If you want to claim to be fair...  be fair.
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Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:56am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:50am: I would think that the election of the current government rather renders that position untenable. Incompetent governments are electable. Labor knows all about incompetent government, don't they? They set the standard, low as it is.

REALLY ?



( ... repost - from pre-election)





Even John Howard is capable of coming clean with the TRUTH - occasionally - and giving credit, where credit is DUE






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Former prime minister John Howard gave the economy a big tick before Treasurer Wayne Swan delivered his sixth budget on Tuesday night. ''And our debt to GDP ratio, the amount of money we owe, to the strength of our economy, is still a lot better than most other countries,'' he said. He said Australia's economy was better than the economies of Japan, the US and most European countries. This is in stark contrast to his protégé and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's assessment of doom and gloom on Monday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/resilient-economy-in-better-shape-than-most-says-howard-20130514-2jke5.html#ixzz2Te3JNgsM

Australia’s GFC stimulus debt is the second lowest in the OECD.
Gross debt stands at 28.9% of GDP.

This compares to Japan at 224%,
Greece at 193.2%,
Portugal at 133.1%,
Italy at 129.6%,
Ireland at 127.7%,
United States at 113%,
France at 108.2%,
UK at 110.4%,
Canada at 85.5%,
Spain at 100.2%
Germany at 86.2%.i




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGeNUmoCQAAGGVT.jpg




The BIG ticks of APPROVAL come from ...

Standard & Poor's
Moody's
Fitch's
The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)
EuroMoney (Finance Minister of the Year Honours)
The International Monetary Fund (IMF)
The Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA)
The Australian Bureau of Statistics ( ... by stealth)
The Butcher
The Baker
The Candlestick Maker

... and NOW - a few days back - the former member for Bennelong is singing the praises of Swan and the Gillard Government's economic track record


The ONLY talking down of the economy and the Federal Treasurer is coming from the Opposition, NEWS Ltd - and Sydney shock-jocks


I know who I trust

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:56am: Dnarever wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:50am: I would think that the election of the current government rather renders that position untenable. Incompetent governments are electable. Labor knows all about incompetent government, don't they? They set the standard, low as it is. REALLY ? ( ... repost - from pre-election) Even John Howard is capable of coming clean with the TRUTH - occasionally - and giving credit, where credit is DUE Quote: Former prime minister John Howard gave the economy a big tick before Treasurer Wayne Swan delivered his sixth budget on Tuesday night. ''And our debt to GDP ratio, the amount of money we owe, to the strength of our economy, is still a lot better than most other countries,'' he said. He said Australia's economy was better than the economies of Japan, the US and most European countries. This is in stark contrast to his protégé and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's assessment of doom and gloom on Monday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/resilient-economy-in-better-shape-than-most-says-howard-20130514-2jke5.html#ixzz2Te3JNgsM Australia’s GFC stimulus debt is the second lowest in the OECD. Gross debt stands at 28.9% of GDP. This compares to Japan at 224%, Greece at 193.2%, Portugal at 133.1%, Italy at 129.6%, Ireland at 127.7%, United States at 113%, France at 108.2%, UK at 110.4%, Canada at 85.5%, Spain at 100.2% Germany at 86.2%.i https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGeNUmoCQAAGGVT.jpg The BIG ticks of APPROVAL come from ... Standard & Poor's Moody's Fitch's The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) EuroMoney (Finance Minister of the Year Honours) The International Monetary Fund (IMF) The Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) The Australian Bureau of Statistics ( ... by stealth) The Butcher The Baker The Candlestick Maker ... and NOW - a few days back - the former member for Bennelong The ONLY talking down of the economy and the Federal Treasurer is coming from the Opposition, NEWS Ltd - and Sydney shock-jocks I know who I trust

Hey honey, why the hell do the banks like your drug addict brother who has a mountain of debt, compare to us who have zero debt and $2 million in the bank.

God love, use your head woman. Banks love people who love to be in debt

Grendel wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Bam wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 9:48am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:57am: Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength. This is untrue. Their failures are mounting. really?  where?

Stop pretending.


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So far, they've annoyed Indonesia and China with foreign policy failures, One being Labor induced right the other being China induced.

Abbott's mishandling was all his own doing. A proper response from Abbott - that clown who's the Prime Minister now - and there wouldn't have been such a farce. It's why he's not fit to be Prime Minister. That the espionage may have happened during a Labor government is irrelevant - national security matters are bipartisan.


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put the future of the live cattle trade with Indonesia under threat due to their bungling, rubbish...

Live cattle exporters concerned about spying scandal
Now if you think that's rubbish, prove it. I want links, not glib responses.


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have undone years of good work from both sides of politics on people smuggling more rubbish...

Indonesia suspending military cooperation with Australia on people smuggling
Prove this too - Don't be lazy.


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There's more to come as well. Undoubtably...  3 more years of it and odds are, it won't all be bad...

Yes, true - at least I would hope so.


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Wait until Australians see electricity prices still rising when the carbon price is repealed, exposing another Abbott lie.  No matter what happens, without the carbon tax they will be less than they would have been with it.

Abbott has asserted that the price rises are mostly due to the carbon price, which is a falsehood - he was even caught out red-handed misleading parliament about it. There's a substantial number of stupid people in the electorate who have swallowed that lie. Those chickens are going to come home to roost. Abbott needs to come clean now, and make it clear that most of the price rises in gas and electricity were not due to the carbon price. If he doesn't, the realisation is going to hit home at a much more inconvenient time in the electoral cycle.


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[quote]Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years.

Internal warfare is not the only way a government can lose an election. The ship of government can have a crew as unified as you want, but it does no good if the ship is sinking.  But we aren't.[/quote]
Who's "we"?

As for the ship sinking, that's a matter of opinion, but given Pyne's lies, Abbott's lies, Abbott's bungling, Bishop's bungling, the Coalition ship may not be sinking yet, but it is definitely listing to port and taking on water.


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The last Coalition government even left Labor with a life-raft of funds... remember?  How soon we forget eh.  If you want to claim to be fair...  be fair.

Ah, that lie.

You seriously don't believe that the Howard government were doing the right thing when they pissed away the proceeds of a temporary mining boom on permanent detrimental changes to government expenditure such as tax cuts and middle-class welfare? Temporary windfalls should be invested, not spent: build infrastructure, place it in the Future Fund ... And for the record, I think the proceeds of Labor's mining tax should have also been invested in this way. Temporary increases in revenue should only fund temporary expenditure. No tax cuts.

Yes, I know the Howard Government's wastrel ways. Stop pretending they were good money managers. They weren't.

Kat wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:07am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:57am: There is one more reason Labor will lose the next Federal election: the margin to take back enough seats is too great. Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength. Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years. Strength to strength? Which alternate universe are you in?

The real one. Not sure which imaginary one you inhabit.

Bam wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:57am: There is one more reason Labor will lose the next Federal election: the margin to take back enough seats is too great. Stupid argument. When the votes are counted, all candidates start from zero. Quote: Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength. This is untrue. Their failures are mounting. So far, they've annoyed Indonesia and China with foreign policy failures, put the future of the live cattle trade with Indonesia under threat due to their bungling, have undone years of good work from both sides of politics on people smuggling and have lied to the Australian people about education funding. There's more to come as well. Wait until Australians see electricity prices still rising when the carbon price is repealed, exposing another Abbott lie. [quote]Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years.

Internal warfare is not the only way a government can lose an election. The ship of government can have a crew as unified as you want, but it does no good if the ship is sinking.
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yours was the stupid argument.  Historically, NO govt has been defeated after just one term in nearly 100 years and none from a position of a large majority.  it requires too many people to change their mind in one term.  Remember that in this rather unique situation, if every person who moved from labor to liberal went the other way next election, the Libs would still win.  there are no traitorous indies to vote for the other side now.  So even with a landslide swing such as Abbott received, labor would still lose.

and labor is going to the next election promising to re-introduce a Carbon Tax.  That infernally unpopular measure will destroy their chances before the next election even gets close.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 6:51am:

Kat wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 9:07am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:57am: There is one more reason Labor will lose the next Federal election: the margin to take back enough seats is too great. Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength. Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years. Strength to strength? Which alternate universe are you in? The real one. Not sure which imaginary one you inhabit.

Not if you think Tony's going from 'strength to strength', you don't.

From crisis to crisis, yes.

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Why Labor will lose the next Federal election

By my faith that's a bold prediction AP. True the filth masquerading as the ALP is an argosy of vileness but some people are swayed by a promised wad of cash.

adelcrow wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:09am:

A scabby sore could beat one term tony when he calls a DD next year. Shorty will give the speedo kid the flogging of his life  ;D

not after the PANTS DOWN mud... it will take a loooooooooog time to wipe that off... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

wonder what Mrs Pants Down thinks about the new mud?????

not forgetting Eddie Obeid.. ::) ::)

A report from the New South Wales corruption watchdog, the Independent Commission Against Corruption, handed down in Sydney this morning has recommended two senior ALP figures and a family member be charged with criminal conduct. It brings to a climax a seven-month investigation into the actions of Labor powerbroker


CRIMINAL CONDUCT....??... it wont go away..

salad in wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 7:59am:

Quote: Why Labor will lose the next Federal election By my faith that's a bold prediction AP. True the filth masquerading as the ALP is an argosy of vileness but some people are swayed by a promised wad of cash.

like Eddie Obeid and  Ian Mcdonald you mean?

A pox ridden hooker could beat one term tony at the next election.
The mounting lies and stupid political decisions that are turning this country into an international pariah and dooming it to massive job losses and an eventual recession will be enough to ensure that the spandex kid is a one term wonder. History will show that to its detriment the country put the village idiot in charge for awhile.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 7:46am:

Bam wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 9:48am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:57am: There is one more reason Labor will lose the next Federal election: the margin to take back enough seats is too great. Stupid argument. When the votes are counted, all candidates start from zero. Quote: Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength. This is untrue. Their failures are mounting. So far, they've annoyed Indonesia and China with foreign policy failures, put the future of the live cattle trade with Indonesia under threat due to their bungling, have undone years of good work from both sides of politics on people smuggling and have lied to the Australian people about education funding. There's more to come as well. Wait until Australians see electricity prices still rising when the carbon price is repealed, exposing another Abbott lie. [quote]Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years. Internal warfare is not the only way a government can lose an election. The ship of government can have a crew as unified as you want, but it does no good if the ship is sinking.

yours was the stupid argument.  Historically, NO govt has been defeated after just one term in nearly 100 years and none from a position of a large majority.  it requires too many people to change their mind in one term.[/quote]
How do you go through life being so wrong so much?

Let me clue you in. CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE POSTING.

You must be sitting there blissfully unaware of how the Victorian Liberal clowns are on track to lose after one term, or what happened to the Borbidge government in Queensland. Federally, it's 70 years. Not the 100 years as you incorrectly claim (as usual you don't bother checking; next time don't be so lazy).

Governments are NEVER guaranteed to win multiple terms. If they perform badly, they are out at the next election no matter how long they've been in. So far the Abbott government have not performed well, and the signs are they are going to cop a lot over the broken promises and lies.

I'm not saying that the Abbott government will lose the next election. What I am saying is that their chances of winning are currently closer to 50% than 100%.

I have a jar of old toe nail clippings that have more chance of winning the next election than the Spandex Kid does.

Bam wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:08pm:

Grendel wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 10:08am: Bam wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 9:48am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:57am: Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength. This is untrue. Their failures are mounting. really?  where? Stop pretending. Now if you think that's rubbish, prove it. I want links, not glib responses.  ;D Quote: So far, they've annoyed Indonesia and China with foreign policy failures, One being Labor induced right the other being China induced. Abbott's mishandling was all his own doing. Rubbish...  there's been no mishandling except for the leaking of intel and the stupidity of listening to the Indonesian presidents wife's phone. A proper response from Abbott - that clown who's the Prime Minister now oooh  we are a very biased commentator aren't we. - and there wouldn't have been such a farce. There is no farce...  It's why he's not fit to be Prime Minister. Your biased opinion...  That the espionage may have happened during a Labor government is irrelevant rubbish  that's just stupid and biased... - national security matters are bipartisan.  Really...  that does that explain why Labor are in a bind then about their usual ad hom attacks...  it happened on their watch they ok'd it. Now this government has to fix the mess. [quote]put the future of the live cattle trade with Indonesia under threat due to their bungling, rubbish...

Live cattle exporters concerned about spying scandal
Now if you think that's rubbish, prove it. I want links, not glib responses. Oh the ABC eh...  we can find and are even as I type looking at securing new markets.  go google it yourself and stop being so lazy.


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have undone years of good work from both sides of politics on people smuggling more rubbish...

Indonesia suspending military cooperation with Australia on people smuggling
Prove this too - Don't be lazy.  Honestly I am fast losing respect for you...  the problem was all but solved under Howard now you deny the Rudd and Gillard opened the gates and the problem they created is what this government faces and now must fix.  As for the Indonesian Military  they do very little in regards to this problem.  Google it and stop being lazy and relying on the ALP/Green and LW media propaganda and biase for your information.


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There's more to come as well. Undoubtably...  3 more years of it and odds are, it won't all be bad...

Yes, true - at least I would hope so.
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Quote: Wait until Australians see electricity prices still rising when the carbon price is repealed, exposing another Abbott lie. No matter what happens, without the carbon tax they will be less than they would have been with it. Abbott has asserted that the price rises are mostly due to the carbon price, which is a falsehood - he was even caught out red-handed misleading parliament about it. There's a substantial number of stupid people in the electorate who have swallowed that lie. Those chickens are going to come home to roost. Abbott needs to come clean now, and make it clear that most of the price rises in gas and electricity were not due to the carbon price. If he doesn't, the realisation is going to hit home at a much more inconvenient time in the electoral cycle. Price rises in NSW have been very large and most brought about by increases granted by IPART based on claims by utilities related to costs incurred by various policies related to the federal government's green agenda.  This included the carbon tax but not restricted to it; changes to infrastructure to enable houses to provide electricity to the grid, OTT rebates for customers with solar panels, renewable energy costs, loss of income creating maintenance costs  shortfalls, etc. BTW he's only claimed a saving of some $500 approx per year.  ::) Quote: Quote: Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years. Internal warfare is not the only way a government can lose an election. The ship of government can have a crew as unified as you want, but it does no good if the ship is sinking. But we aren't. Who's "we"? As for the ship sinking, that's a matter of opinion, but given Pyne's lies, Abbott's lies, Abbott's bungling, Bishop's bungling, the Coalition ship may not be sinking yet, but it is definitely listing to port and taking on water.  What was that quote about proof?  You are just spouting a very biased line of propaganda. Quote: The last Coalition government even left Labor with a life-raft of funds... remember?  How soon we forget eh. If you want to claim to be fair...  be fair. Ah, that lie.  Really?  It's not a lie at all just ask Wayne and Kevin or anyone who doesn't live under a rock.  Obviously you've become so biased it's a waste of my time talking to you... Where did the money come from to "save" us from the GFC?  Hmmm...  oh that money. BTW no one holds it against a government for returning your money to you that they took from you in the first place.  wastrel?  hardly.  myopic...  you betcha...  but don't try and tell me for one minute the ALP are any better...  worst 6 years of government I can remember.

Bam wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 10:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 7:46am: Bam wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 9:48am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:57am: There is one more reason Labor will lose the next Federal election: the margin to take back enough seats is too great. Stupid argument. When the votes are counted, all candidates start from zero. Quote: Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength. This is untrue. Their failures are mounting. So far, they've annoyed Indonesia and China with foreign policy failures, put the future of the live cattle trade with Indonesia under threat due to their bungling, have undone years of good work from both sides of politics on people smuggling and have lied to the Australian people about education funding. There's more to come as well. Wait until Australians see electricity prices still rising when the carbon price is repealed, exposing another Abbott lie. [quote]Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years. Internal warfare is not the only way a government can lose an election. The ship of government can have a crew as unified as you want, but it does no good if the ship is sinking. yours was the stupid argument.  Historically, NO govt has been defeated after just one term in nearly 100 years and none from a position of a large majority.  it requires too many people to change their mind in one term.

How do you go through life being so wrong so much?

Let me clue you in. CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE POSTING.

You must be sitting there blissfully unaware of how the Victorian Liberal clowns are on track to lose after one term, or what happened to the Borbidge government in Queensland. Federally, it's 70 years. Not the 100 years as you incorrectly claim (as usual you don't bother checking; next time don't be so lazy).

Governments are NEVER guaranteed to win multiple terms. If they perform badly, they are out at the next election no matter how long they've been in. So far the Abbott government have not performed well, and the signs are they are going to cop a lot over the broken promises and lies.

I'm not saying that the Abbott government will lose the next election. What I am saying is that their chances of winning are currently closer to 50% than 100%.
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since we are referring to FEDERAL elections then it should have been clear to your pedantic self that that was the case instead of having to repeat it.

the fact remains that one term FEDERAL govts are very very unlikely and especially so coming of a landslide win like Abbotts.  I know you don't like history and apparently don't understand it, but it remains true nonetheless.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 4:27pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:02am: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 7:46am: Bam wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 9:48am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:57am: There is one more reason Labor will lose the next Federal election: the margin to take back enough seats is too great. Stupid argument. When the votes are counted, all candidates start from zero. Quote: Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength. This is untrue. Their failures are mounting. So far, they've annoyed Indonesia and China with foreign policy failures, put the future of the live cattle trade with Indonesia under threat due to their bungling, have undone years of good work from both sides of politics on people smuggling and have lied to the Australian people about education funding. There's more to come as well. Wait until Australians see electricity prices still rising when the carbon price is repealed, exposing another Abbott lie. [quote]Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years. Internal warfare is not the only way a government can lose an election. The ship of government can have a crew as unified as you want, but it does no good if the ship is sinking. yours was the stupid argument.  Historically, NO govt has been defeated after just one term in nearly 100 years and none from a position of a large majority.  it requires too many people to change their mind in one term. How do you go through life being so wrong so much? Let me clue you in. CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE POSTING. You must be sitting there blissfully unaware of how the Victorian Liberal clowns are on track to lose after one term, or what happened to the Borbidge government in Queensland. Federally, it's 70 years. Not the 100 years as you incorrectly claim (as usual you don't bother checking; next time don't be so lazy). Governments are NEVER guaranteed to win multiple terms. If they perform badly, they are out at the next election no matter how long they've been in. So far the Abbott government have not performed well, and the signs are they are going to cop a lot over the broken promises and lies. I'm not saying that the Abbott government will lose the next election. What I am saying is that their chances of winning are currently closer to 50% than 100%.

since we are referring to FEDERAL elections then it should have been clear to your pedantic self that that was the case instead of having to repeat it.

the fact remains that one term FEDERAL govts are very very unlikely and especially so coming of a landslide win like Abbotts.  I know you don't like history and apparently don't understand it, but it remains true nonetheless.[/quote]

True.
Julia Gillard was the first PM to lose a majority after a single term in almost 100 years.

It rarely happens and is highly unlikely of this kind of majority.

Don't see how anyone could make a call either way at this time or why they would want too.

If Abbott is still performing as horribly in 18 months time start thinking about it then.