If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged.

But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share?

The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda.

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:21pm:

If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda.

"given that we are paying for something many incorrectly feel is pushing leftist propaganda"

That's better...

A. ABC is not for sale
B. if it was for sale, then it should go to the highest bidder that is in Australia's interest.

Or with righties welcome a Chinese government owned business buying it?

What a marvellous idea, but why sell it?

We gave Mr Murdoch Sydney’s showgrounds. Why not give him the ABC?

____ wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:31pm:

Or with righties welcome a Chinese government owned business buying it?

I would welcome selling the Green party to the Chinese, after about a week of owning you they'd end up plunging a chopstick through your forehead.  ;D

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:21pm:

If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda.

Yes dear, feel free to share the leftist propaganda with us  though I would not hold my breath. I've been asking the conga line for specific examples for years and so far not one of them has been able to provide any.

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:21pm:

If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda.

you are forgetting one very important point ... he doesn't need to worry about it eating into his share. He already has 70% of Australias media, and to give him the ABC would just about tie it all up for him. You will have forevermore as your PM whoever Murdoch likes.

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:36pm:

____ wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:31pm: Or with righties welcome a Chinese government owned business buying it? I would welcome selling the Green party to the Chinese, after about a week of owning you they'd end up plunging a chopstick through your forehead.  ;D

That’s right. Half an hour later, they’d be hungry again.

We’d have to sell them Clive.

skippy. wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:21pm: If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda. Yes dear, feel free to share the leftist propaganda with us  though I would not hold my breath. I've been asking the conga line for specific examples for years and so far not one of them has been able to provide any.

Look at the posts on this board - many feel this way.

Did I say that I thought this way in my post?n ;D ;D ;D

The politicians need the ABC -
it's the only program that gives them any credibility -

they get asked the tough questions by hard nosed interviewers.

That's why it will never be sold.

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:36pm:

____ wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:31pm: Or with righties welcome a Chinese government owned business buying it? I would welcome selling the Green party to the Chinese, after about a week of owning you they'd end up plunging a chopstick through your forehead.  ;D

A week? you're being too generous. I give them about 12 hours before the Chinese have had enough of them.

John Smith wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:50pm:

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:21pm: If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda. you are forgetting one very important point ... he doesn't need to worry about it eating into his share. He already has 70% of Australias media, and to give him the ABC would just about tie it all up for him. You will have forevermore as your PM whoever Murdoch likes.

Did you forget Murdoch backed Rudd in 07? He's regretted it ever since, as have a large portion of ordinary Australians.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:21pm: If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda. you are forgetting one very important point ... he doesn't need to worry about it eating into his share. He already has 70% of Australias media, and to give him the ABC would just about tie it all up for him. You will have forevermore as your PM whoever Murdoch likes. Did you forget Murdoch backed Rudd in 07? He's regretted it ever since, as have a large portion of ordinary Australians.

Yes, "ordinary" being the operative word.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:21pm: If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda. you are forgetting one very important point ... he doesn't need to worry about it eating into his share. He already has 70% of Australias media, and to give him the ABC would just about tie it all up for him. You will have forevermore as your PM whoever Murdoch likes. Did you forget Murdoch backed Rudd in 07? He's regretted it ever since, as have a large portion of ordinary Australians.

does that in anyway excuse Murdochs abuse of his powers?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:59pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:57pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:21pm: If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda. you are forgetting one very important point ... he doesn't need to worry about it eating into his share. He already has 70% of Australias media, and to give him the ABC would just about tie it all up for him. You will have forevermore as your PM whoever Murdoch likes. Did you forget Murdoch backed Rudd in 07? He's regretted it ever since, as have a large portion of ordinary Australians. Yes, "ordinary" being the operative word.

Yes, ordinary also means normal, common, garden-variety. As opposed to those like you, who are abnormal, weird and just plain bat-sh!t crazy.

John Smith wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:59pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:57pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:21pm: If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda. you are forgetting one very important point ... he doesn't need to worry about it eating into his share. He already has 70% of Australias media, and to give him the ABC would just about tie it all up for him. You will have forevermore as your PM whoever Murdoch likes. Did you forget Murdoch backed Rudd in 07? He's regretted it ever since, as have a large portion of ordinary Australians. does that in anyway excuse Murdochs abuse of his powers?

Oh, I am sorry. I forgot about the roving death squads he had for those of us who did not purchase and read his publications.

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:52pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:44pm: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:21pm: If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda. Yes dear, feel free to share the leftist propaganda with us  though I would not hold my breath. I've been asking the conga line for specific examples for years and so far not one of them has been able to provide any. Look at the posts on this board - many feel this way. Did I say that I thought this way in my post?n ;D ;D ;D

No sweet thing. I see you're another one that can not provide proof of ABC bias. I think we are onto something here.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

... like you, who are abnormal, weird and just plain bat-sh!t crazy.

Based on what?

I'll accept the "abnormal", and "weird", but what are you basing the "bat-poo crazy" on?

skippy. wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 8:02pm:

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:52pm: skippy. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:44pm: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:21pm: If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda. Yes dear, feel free to share the leftist propaganda with us  though I would not hold my breath. I've been asking the conga line for specific examples for years and so far not one of them has been able to provide any. Look at the posts on this board - many feel this way. Did I say that I thought this way in my post?n ;D ;D ;D No sweet thing. I see you're another one that can not provide proof of ABC bias. I think we are onto something here.

Bless your little heart for misunderstanding my original post.  ;D ;D ;D

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:52pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:44pm: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:21pm: If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda. Yes dear, feel free to share the leftist propaganda with us  though I would not hold my breath. I've been asking the conga line for specific examples for years and so far not one of them has been able to provide any. Look at the posts on this board - many feel this way. Did I say that I thought this way in my post?n ;D ;D ;D

Absolutely not. You listen to Alan and David Oldfield.

It would be great if they could get a show on the TV. I think Alan could host a renewed Countdown.

Thoughts?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 8:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:59pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:57pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:21pm: If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda. you are forgetting one very important point ... he doesn't need to worry about it eating into his share. He already has 70% of Australias media, and to give him the ABC would just about tie it all up for him. You will have forevermore as your PM whoever Murdoch likes. Did you forget Murdoch backed Rudd in 07? He's regretted it ever since, as have a large portion of ordinary Australians. does that in anyway excuse Murdochs abuse of his powers? Oh, I am sorry. I forgot about the roving death squads he had for those of us who did not purchase and read his publications.

so you got nothing  :D :D :D .... you know you'd be better off not saying anything instead off opening your mouth and proving your stupidity.

We all want to see the ABC go to News Limited, leftards, it’s only fair.

The level of journalistic integrity, corporate accountability, editorial oversight and zero-tolerance of crime  is unsurpassed. The Daily Telegraph is one of the great newspapers of the world, along with the Illawarra Mercury and the Northern Territory Times.

Not to forget the late News of the World.

Karnal wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 8:17pm:

I think Alan could host a renewed Countdown.

Pure Genius.

Call Peta.

Perhaps Molly could do the occasional Co Host.

No!

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 10:34pm:

No!

Don’t be so negative.

So typical of the leftards.

Mudrock should be stripped of his Australian media ownership, NOT given more.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:21pm: If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda. you are forgetting one very important point ... he doesn't need to worry about it eating into his share. He already has 70% of Australias media, and to give him the ABC would just about tie it all up for him. You will have forevermore as your PM whoever Murdoch likes. Did you forget Murdoch backed Rudd in 07? He's regretted it ever since, as have a large portion of ordinary Australians.

You're actually supporting the argument that Murdoch already has too much influence.

Think about it.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1468678_556716877746508_634456237_n.jpg

Aussie, your computer guru can't spell. ;)  You should understand what a "wil" is and what letter is missing.  :o

Neferti wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

Aussie, your computer guru can't spell. ;)  You should understand what a "wil" is and what letter is missing.  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovi7uQbtKas

John Smith wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:59pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:57pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:21pm: If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda. you are forgetting one very important point ... he doesn't need to worry about it eating into his share. He already has 70% of Australias media, and to give him the ABC would just about tie it all up for him. You will have forevermore as your PM whoever Murdoch likes. Did you forget Murdoch backed Rudd in 07? He's regretted it ever since, as have a large portion of ordinary Australians. does that in anyway excuse Murdochs abuse of his powers?

so it is abuse in 2013 but not in 2007...

I think I see how this works for you...

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 2:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:59pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:57pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:21pm: If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda. you are forgetting one very important point ... he doesn't need to worry about it eating into his share. He already has 70% of Australias media, and to give him the ABC would just about tie it all up for him. You will have forevermore as your PM whoever Murdoch likes. Did you forget Murdoch backed Rudd in 07? He's regretted it ever since, as have a large portion of ordinary Australians. does that in anyway excuse Murdochs abuse of his powers? so it is abuse in 2013 but not in 2007... I think I see how this works for you...

Let's see. Murdoch meeting with world leaders and candidates behind closed doors, then running their parties' propaganda arms during election campaigns, and then meeting behind closed doors when they get elected - abuse?

Not at all.

It's demokracy.

Karnal wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 2:49pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:59pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:57pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:21pm: If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda. you are forgetting one very important point ... he doesn't need to worry about it eating into his share. He already has 70% of Australias media, and to give him the ABC would just about tie it all up for him. You will have forevermore as your PM whoever Murdoch likes. Did you forget Murdoch backed Rudd in 07? He's regretted it ever since, as have a large portion of ordinary Australians. does that in anyway excuse Murdochs abuse of his powers? so it is abuse in 2013 but not in 2007... I think I see how this works for you... Let's see. Murdoch meeting with world leaders and candidates behind closed doors, then running their parties' propaganda arms during election campaigns, and then meeting behind closed doors when they get elected - abuse? Not at all. It's demokracy.

replace Murdoch with ACTU and tell me where the difference is

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 4:10pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 2:49pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:59pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:57pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:21pm: If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda. you are forgetting one very important point ... he doesn't need to worry about it eating into his share. He already has 70% of Australias media, and to give him the ABC would just about tie it all up for him. You will have forevermore as your PM whoever Murdoch likes. Did you forget Murdoch backed Rudd in 07? He's regretted it ever since, as have a large portion of ordinary Australians. does that in anyway excuse Murdochs abuse of his powers? so it is abuse in 2013 but not in 2007... I think I see how this works for you... Let's see. Murdoch meeting with world leaders and candidates behind closed doors, then running their parties' propaganda arms during election campaigns, and then meeting behind closed doors when they get elected - abuse? Not at all. It's demokracy. replace Murdoch with ACTU and tell me where the difference is

Let's see. The entire media empire of Rupert Murdoch - 70% of Australian newspapers, a number of cable news networks, publishing arms, online news, an unsurpassed global media monopoly -

Versus Sydney radio station 2KY.

Good point, Longy. I think the ACTU wins hands down, don't you?

Actually, Longy, I take that back. I think John Singleton bought 2KY.

Sounds like Rupert's number one after all.

Karnal wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 4:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 4:28pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 4:10pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 2:49pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:59pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:57pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:21pm: If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda. you are forgetting one very important point ... he doesn't need to worry about it eating into his share. He already has 70% of Australias media, and to give him the ABC would just about tie it all up for him. You will have forevermore as your PM whoever Murdoch likes. Did you forget Murdoch backed Rudd in 07? He's regretted it ever since, as have a large portion of ordinary Australians. does that in anyway excuse Murdochs abuse of his powers? so it is abuse in 2013 but not in 2007... I think I see how this works for you... Let's see. Murdoch meeting with world leaders and candidates behind closed doors, then running their parties' propaganda arms during election campaigns, and then meeting behind closed doors when they get elected - abuse? Not at all. It's demokracy. replace Murdoch with ACTU and tell me where the difference is Let's see. The entire media empire of Rupert Murdoch - 70% of Australian newspapers, a number of cable news networks, publishing arms, online news, an unsurpassed global media monopoly - Versus Sydney radio station 2KY. Good point, Longy. I think the ACTU wins hands down, don't you?

as you so often do, you miss the point.  both are lobby groups and that are merely some of the larger ones among literally hundreds.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 7:43am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 4:38pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 4:28pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 4:10pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 2:49pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:59pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:57pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:21pm: If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda. you are forgetting one very important point ... he doesn't need to worry about it eating into his share. He already has 70% of Australias media, and to give him the ABC would just about tie it all up for him. You will have forevermore as your PM whoever Murdoch likes. Did you forget Murdoch backed Rudd in 07? He's regretted it ever since, as have a large portion of ordinary Australians. does that in anyway excuse Murdochs abuse of his powers? so it is abuse in 2013 but not in 2007... I think I see how this works for you... Let's see. Murdoch meeting with world leaders and candidates behind closed doors, then running their parties' propaganda arms during election campaigns, and then meeting behind closed doors when they get elected - abuse? Not at all. It's demokracy. replace Murdoch with ACTU and tell me where the difference is Let's see. The entire media empire of Rupert Murdoch - 70% of Australian newspapers, a number of cable news networks, publishing arms, online news, an unsurpassed global media monopoly - Versus Sydney radio station 2KY. Good point, Longy. I think the ACTU wins hands down, don't you? as you so often do, you miss the point.  both are lobby groups and that are merely some of the larger ones among literally hundreds.

You’re right, Longy. The ACTU officially represents millions of Australian workers. Rupert’s lobby group represents one.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge. 

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:36pm:

____ wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:31pm: Or with righties welcome a Chinese government owned business buying it? I would welcome selling the Green party to the Chinese, after about a week of owning you they'd end up plunging a chopstick through your forehead.  ;D

:D :D

How can we compare backroom deals like the Accords with Rupert’s backroom deal with the London Metropolitan Police?

Growth in real wages and preventing inflation  is far more sinister.

SHAME LABOR SHAME.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 10:48am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:36pm: ____ wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:31pm: Or with righties welcome a Chinese government owned business buying it? I would welcome selling the Green party to the Chinese, after about a week of owning you they'd end up plunging a chopstick through your forehead.  ;D :D :D

Choppy choppy, refards. Your takeaway leady now.

Rupert is probably one of australias most successful businessmen ever. (and dont we need some of those)

he should be an inspiration to all young people.

teachers should teach his business strategies in business courses at university.

he is a national icon.

i admire and respect the guy.   sorry if he's a tall poppy and you have been affected by the green eyed monster.

Karnal wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 10:50am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 10:48am: Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:36pm: ____ wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:31pm: Or with righties welcome a Chinese government owned business buying it? I would welcome selling the Green party to the Chinese, after about a week of owning you they'd end up plunging a chopstick through your forehead.  ;D :D :D Choppy choppy, refards. Your takeaway leady now.

:D :D
come on karmal, do you really think the greens are going to produce someone to rival the success of rupert on the world stage.
how would chris milne go in new york, wheeling and dealing with wall st.  i doubt they'd let her push the biscuit trolley, they'd rate her intellect so lowly ;)

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 10:52am:

Rupert is probably one of australias most successful businessmen ever. (and dont we need some of those) he should be an inspiration to all young people. teachers should teach his business strategies in business courses at university. he is a national icon. i admire and respect the guy.   sorry if he's a tall poppy and you have been affected by the green eyed monster.

Murdoch is NOT an Australian - doesn't pay tax here, cant vote here, doesn't live here, doesn't own an Australian passport.

Murdoch is in the top 7 most destructive individuals to have lived in the world over the past 120 years

Today, nobody even comes close to Murdoch's level of unbridled immorality, greed, corruption and superficiality

I can understand why you worship him you filthy decaying slab of rotting weasel excrement

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 10:50am: aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 10:48am: Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:36pm: ____ wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:31pm: Or with righties welcome a Chinese government owned business buying it? I would welcome selling the Green party to the Chinese, after about a week of owning you they'd end up plunging a chopstick through your forehead.  ;D :D :D Choppy choppy, refards. Your takeaway leady now. :D :D come on karmal, do you really think the greens are going to produce someone to rival the success of rupert on the world stage. how would chris milne go in new york, wheeling and dealing with wall st.  i doubt they'd let her push the biscuit trolley,

You’re right, Aquascoot. That’s more FriYay’s area of expertise.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 10:52am:

Rupert is probably one of australias most successful businessmen ever. (and dont we need some of those) he should be an inspiration to all young people. teachers should teach his business strategies in business courses at university. he is a national icon. i admire and respect the guy.   sorry if he's a tall poppy and you have been affected by the green eyed monster.

Forget the business, Aquascoot - look at the product. Fox News, the Daily Tele, News of the World.

Demokracy, innit.

Karnal wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 11:00am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 10:52am: Rupert is probably one of australias most successful businessmen ever. (and dont we need some of those) he should be an inspiration to all young people. teachers should teach his business strategies in business courses at university. he is a national icon. i admire and respect the guy.   sorry if he's a tall poppy and you have been affected by the green eyed monster. Forget the business, Aquascoot - look at the product. Fox News, the Daily Tele, News of the World. Demokracy, innit.

Oh, if we're looking at the product we better hang colonel sanders, the macdonalds brothers, coca cola corporation CEO.
rupert is a great businessman,  i'm proud of him. i think his son lachlan is a gem and so is his daughter in law sarah.  real australian royalty.
schoolchildren should sing hymns to him

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 11:00am: aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 10:52am: Rupert is probably one of australias most successful businessmen ever. (and dont we need some of those) he should be an inspiration to all young people. teachers should teach his business strategies in business courses at university. he is a national icon. i admire and respect the guy.   sorry if he's a tall poppy and you have been affected by the green eyed monster. Forget the business, Aquascoot - look at the product. Fox News, the Daily Tele, News of the World. Demokracy, innit. Oh, if we're looking at the product we better hang colonel sanders, the macdonalds brothers, coca cola corporation CEO. rupert is a great businessman,  i'm proud of him. i think his son lachlan is a gem and so is his daughter in law sarah.  real australian royalty. schoolchildren should sing hymns to him

Colonel Sanders and Ronald McDonald as well?

Actually, they already do sing hymns to them. As for being great businessmen, sure. They've managed to organize global food production around these very companies. US meat and grain production is constructed around a fast food model. Potatoes are grown in square shapes to fit into the French fry cutters. The corn and soy industries are based around feed for the mince-meat cattle, which are now bred to be fed on corn and soy. Coke uses the corn for sugar syrup. The US government subsidizes the agribusinesses that produce it, and the WTO ensures the rest of the world buys the dumped US surpluses, undercutting local farmers, putting them out of business, and getting them out of the way of the US food monopolies.

And the US food standards boards, the marketing boards and even the government agricultural research bodies are staffed solely by executives and ex-CEOs of the companies you mention.

Meanwhile, obesity and diabetes has risen 1000% in the developing world over the last 10 years where the carb-rich, high-sugar fast food imports reap record profits for such marvellous businessmen.

I say we continue to sing hymns for them all, don't you?

Karnal wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 11:11am: Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 11:00am: aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 10:52am: Rupert is probably one of australias most successful businessmen ever. (and dont we need some of those) he should be an inspiration to all young people. teachers should teach his business strategies in business courses at university. he is a national icon. i admire and respect the guy.   sorry if he's a tall poppy and you have been affected by the green eyed monster. Forget the business, Aquascoot - look at the product. Fox News, the Daily Tele, News of the World. Demokracy, innit. Oh, if we're looking at the product we better hang colonel sanders, the macdonalds brothers, coca cola corporation CEO. rupert is a great businessman,  i'm proud of him. i think his son lachlan is a gem and so is his daughter in law sarah.  real australian royalty. schoolchildren should sing hymns to him Colonel Sanders and Ronald McDonald as well? Actually, they already do sing hymns to them. As for being great businessmen, sure. They've managed to organize global food production around these very companies. US meat and grain production is constructed around a fast food model. Potatoes are grown in square shapes to fit into the French fry cutters. The corn and soy industries are based around feed for the mince-meat cattle, which are now bred to be fed on corn and soy. Coke uses the corn for sugar syrup. The US government subsidizes the agribusinesses that produce it, and the WTO ensures the rest of the world buys the dumped US surpluses, undercutting local farmers, putting them out of business, and getting them out of the way of the US food monopolies. And the US food standards boards, the marketing boards and even the government agricultural research bodies are staffed solely by executives and ex-CEOs of the companies you mention. Meanwhile, obesity and diabetes has risen 1000% in the developing world over the last 10 years where the carb-rich, high-sugar fast food imports reap record profits for such marvellous businessmen. I say we continue to sing hymns for them all, don't you?

And don't forget that the US taxpayers also helps out these people by subsidizing their employee's wages with food stamps.


Quote:

Julius Waters, a 29-year-old McDonald's maintenance worker who was among the protesters, said it's hard making ends meet on his wage of $7.40 an hour. "I need a better wage for myself, because, right now, I'm relying on aid, and $7.40 is not able to help me maintain taking care of my son. I'm a single parent," Waters said.

Of course our American Conservatives(our torch to follow) are on the job


Quote:

President Barack Obama's call to raise the minimum wage has long been met with resistance from congressional Republicans, but Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas) took things a step further by suggesting the minimum wage be done away with entirely. "I think it's outlived its usefulness," Barton told National Journal in a story published Thursday. "It may have been of some value back in the Great Depression. I would vote to repeal the minimum wage."

If only we followed Sweden or Denmark instead of "Merica"

Karnal wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 11:11am: Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 11:00am: aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 10:52am: Rupert is probably one of australias most successful businessmen ever. (and dont we need some of those) he should be an inspiration to all young people. teachers should teach his business strategies in business courses at university. he is a national icon. i admire and respect the guy.   sorry if he's a tall poppy and you have been affected by the green eyed monster. Forget the business, Aquascoot - look at the product. Fox News, the Daily Tele, News of the World. Demokracy, innit. Oh, if we're looking at the product we better hang colonel sanders, the macdonalds brothers, coca cola corporation CEO. rupert is a great businessman,  i'm proud of him. i think his son lachlan is a gem and so is his daughter in law sarah.  real australian royalty. schoolchildren should sing hymns to him Colonel Sanders and Ronald McDonald as well? Actually, they already do sing hymns to them. As for being great businessmen, sure. They've managed to organize global food production around these very companies. US meat and grain production is constructed around a fast food model. Potatoes are grown in square shapes to fit into the French fry cutters. The corn and soy industries are based around feed for the mince-meat cattle, which are now bred to be fed on corn and soy. Coke uses the corn for sugar syrup. The US government subsidizes the agribusinesses that produce it, and the WTO ensures the rest of the world buys the dumped US surpluses, undercutting local farmers, putting them out of business, and getting them out of the way of the US food monopolies. And the US food standards boards, the marketing boards and even the government agricultural research bodies are staffed solely by executives and ex-CEOs of the companies you mention. Meanwhile, obesity and diabetes has risen 1000% in the developing world over the last 10 years where the carb-rich, high-sugar fast food imports reap record profits for such marvellous businessmen. I say we continue to sing hymns for them all, don't you?

ah  , you are swimming against the raging current karmal.

you may be right to hate rupert, alan  and the fast food fascists  but the suburbanites  LOVE these things.
you cannot change anything by ripping their masks from their faces and calling them for what they are. this is childish. only from the inside can such things be changed.
embrace your enemy karmal, attacking him only strengthens him.   ;)

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 12:09pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 11:11am: Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 11:00am: aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 10:52am: Rupert is probably one of australias most successful businessmen ever. (and dont we need some of those) he should be an inspiration to all young people. teachers should teach his business strategies in business courses at university. he is a national icon. i admire and respect the guy.   sorry if he's a tall poppy and you have been affected by the green eyed monster. Forget the business, Aquascoot - look at the product. Fox News, the Daily Tele, News of the World. Demokracy, innit. Oh, if we're looking at the product we better hang colonel sanders, the macdonalds brothers, coca cola corporation CEO. rupert is a great businessman,  i'm proud of him. i think his son lachlan is a gem and so is his daughter in law sarah.  real australian royalty. schoolchildren should sing hymns to him Colonel Sanders and Ronald McDonald as well? Actually, they already do sing hymns to them. As for being great businessmen, sure. They've managed to organize global food production around these very companies. US meat and grain production is constructed around a fast food model. Potatoes are grown in square shapes to fit into the French fry cutters. The corn and soy industries are based around feed for the mince-meat cattle, which are now bred to be fed on corn and soy. Coke uses the corn for sugar syrup. The US government subsidizes the agribusinesses that produce it, and the WTO ensures the rest of the world buys the dumped US surpluses, undercutting local farmers, putting them out of business, and getting them out of the way of the US food monopolies. And the US food standards boards, the marketing boards and even the government agricultural research bodies are staffed solely by executives and ex-CEOs of the companies you mention. Meanwhile, obesity and diabetes has risen 1000% in the developing world over the last 10 years where the carb-rich, high-sugar fast food imports reap record profits for such marvellous businessmen. I say we continue to sing hymns for them all, don't you? ah  , you are swimming against the raging current karmal. you may be right to hate rupert, alan  and the fast food fascists  but the suburbanites  LOVE these things. you cannot change anything by ripping their masks from their faces and calling them for what they are. this is childish. only from the inside can such things be changed. embrace your enemy karmal, attacking him only strengthens him.   ;)

Sorry, dear, I didn't mean to attack them. Is there anything in the above you disagree with?

I don't know which suburbanites want global food production to be monopolized, but quite a few have turned off McDonalds. Many have even protested having them in their suburbs.

And only a few years ago, McDonalds revamped completely, offering "healthy options" and redesigning their old suburban look to become more urban and chic. Presumably they did this to make the "suburbanites" like them even more.

Alan, of course, has had no revamp. He's becoming even more cantankerous in his old age. But do you think we should all agree with Rupert, Alan, Ronald and the Colonel because "suburbanites" like them?

Thankfully, dear, I do. You'll never see me swimming against the raging current. I think they're all marvellous.

Why would Murdoch want the ABC? Want it closed down maybe.

Abbott is using taxpayers money to wire up the country with an obsolete network good enough to run Foxtel on but not much else.

Karnal wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 1:19pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 12:09pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 11:11am: Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 11:00am: aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 10:52am: Rupert is probably one of australias most successful businessmen ever. (and dont we need some of those) he should be an inspiration to all young people. teachers should teach his business strategies in business courses at university. he is a national icon. i admire and respect the guy.   sorry if he's a tall poppy and you have been affected by the green eyed monster. Forget the business, Aquascoot - look at the product. Fox News, the Daily Tele, News of the World. Demokracy, innit. Oh, if we're looking at the product we better hang colonel sanders, the macdonalds brothers, coca cola corporation CEO. rupert is a great businessman,  i'm proud of him. i think his son lachlan is a gem and so is his daughter in law sarah.  real australian royalty. schoolchildren should sing hymns to him Colonel Sanders and Ronald McDonald as well? Actually, they already do sing hymns to them. As for being great businessmen, sure. They've managed to organize global food production around these very companies. US meat and grain production is constructed around a fast food model. Potatoes are grown in square shapes to fit into the French fry cutters. The corn and soy industries are based around feed for the mince-meat cattle, which are now bred to be fed on corn and soy. Coke uses the corn for sugar syrup. The US government subsidizes the agribusinesses that produce it, and the WTO ensures the rest of the world buys the dumped US surpluses, undercutting local farmers, putting them out of business, and getting them out of the way of the US food monopolies. And the US food standards boards, the marketing boards and even the government agricultural research bodies are staffed solely by executives and ex-CEOs of the companies you mention. Meanwhile, obesity and diabetes has risen 1000% in the developing world over the last 10 years where the carb-rich, high-sugar fast food imports reap record profits for such marvellous businessmen. I say we continue to sing hymns for them all, don't you? ah  , you are swimming against the raging current karmal. you may be right to hate rupert, alan  and the fast food fascists  but the suburbanites  LOVE these things. you cannot change anything by ripping their masks from their faces and calling them for what they are. this is childish. only from the inside can such things be changed. embrace your enemy karmal, attacking him only strengthens him.   ;) Sorry, dear, I didn't mean to attack them. Is there anything in the above you disagree with? I don't know which suburbanites want global food production to be monopolized, but quite a few have turned off McDonalds. Many have even protested having them in their suburbs. And only a few years ago, McDonalds revamped completely, offering "healthy options" and redesigning their old suburban look to become more urban and chic. Presumably they did this to make the "suburbanites" like them even more. Alan, of course, has had no revamp. He's becoming even more cantankerous in his old age. But do you think we should all agree with Rupert, Alan, Ronald and the Colonel because "suburbanites" like them? Thankfully, dear, I do. You'll never see me swimming against the raging current. I think they're all marvellous.

the left are honestly their own worst enemy karmal.
you have all these causes which mankind SHOULD be embracing...climate, conservation, compassion.
but your enemies are business people and p business people will always crap all over lefties because business people HAVE to know their market.  they HAVE to get inside the head of the consumer.
i dont like capitalism much but i cant tolerate fools and when i hear most lefties talk on a subject i think "you are a fool, waht you are saying is doing your cause no good"
and thats the rub.

go to beijing and you'll see nothing but acres of german automobiles and brand name clothing and accessories.

business works, socialism doesnt.  the last thing a cause needs is for the socialists to champion it. it means death to that cause because you just arent salesmen.

john howard sold a GST to the electorate and the lefties couldnt even sell a tax on gina rinehardt.  this shows their incompetance and the fact that until they start to understand the market and stop stamping their feet, they are royally f^^ked.

rupert understands people, his success proves it.  to dismantle him you will need people who can embrace the populace.
stephen colbert would seem the closest to such a person.  the socialist alliance certainly dont. ;)

Sorry, dear, I'm not sure where I've advocated socialism. I think you've got me confused with Mistie.

A couple of months ago I was in Penang - one of THE gastronomic food capitals of the world.

Chulia Street at night: Mee goreng, Singapore noodles, char kewi teow, curry rotis, laksas - all less than $2 a plate or bowl for the fastest, freshest street food in the world.

Up the end of the street was a lonely Subway. A 6-inch cheese and salad roll was about $5. Subway was empty.

Now I'm sure on a Sunday arvo a few cashed-up kids turn up to try the sandwiches they see on TV, but everyone else is going to the hawkers. That's capitalism.

A fast-food franchise, on the other hand, teaming up in a joint venture with a petrol company like Caltex or BP to make sure the only place you can eat on the Pacific Highway is McDonalds, or Burger King, or KFC - that's a monopoly. A company like McDonalds, buying up old roadhouses and diners, or opening up next door and starving them of their trade, that's a monopoly too. In essence, monopolies are anti-capitalist. Sure, you can say they're a form of capitalism, but they're not pure capitalism - particularly the small-business model you're espousing.

If you want that, you need to go to Penang.

Karnal wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:51pm:

Sorry, dear, I'm not sure where I've advocated socialism. I think you've got me confused with Mistie. A couple of months ago I was in Penang - one of THE gastronomic food capitals of the world. Chulia Street at night: Mee goreng, Singapore noodles, char kewi teow, curry rotis, laksas - all less than $2 a plate or bowl for the fastest, freshest street food in the world. Up the end of the street was a lonely Subway. A 6-inch cheese and salad roll was about $5. Subway was empty. Now I'm sure on a Sunday arvo a few cashed-up kids turn up to try the sandwiches they see on TV, but everyone else is going to the hawkers. That's capitalism. A fast-food franchise, on the other hand, teaming up in a joint venture with a petrol company like Caltex or BP to make sure the only place you can eat on the Pacific Highway is McDonalds, or Burger King, or KFC - that's a monopoly. A company like McDonalds, buying up old roadhouses and diners, or opening up next door and starving them of their trade, that's a monopoly too. In essence, monopolies are anti-capitalist. Sure, you can say they're a form of capitalism, but they're not pure capitalism - particularly the small-business model you're espousing. If you want that, you need to go to Penang.

my bad   :D :D :D, 
aquascoot  scores D minus, must try harder :)

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:19pm:

Why would Murdoch want the ABC? Want it closed down maybe.

Murdoch wants the online news competition closed down. He's said this many times - the BBC and ABC cut into his online advertising revenues, and he believes this is unfair competition.

The other media - particularly the TV stations - do not want the ABC privatized at all. Advertising space on ABC 1, 2 and the high-rating children's channel, ABC 3, would lower their advertising revenues.

Communications Minister, Malcolm Turnbull, has confirmed just this. The TV stations are lobbying to keep things just as they are. Rupert, however, wants a change.

But only, of course, if he can buy in - and how likely is he to get that?

It's a fantasy. Imagine the Australian government (including the National Party) selling off the ABC - that's the first hurdle. But imagine them selling it off to a foreign owner.

It's hubris of the most glaring kind, but it's happening as we speak. The only people arguing for ABC privatization are News Limited columnists - and the only person who could possibly profit - is Rupert.

Suck it up, leftards. Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

I can still get my news for free from http://pickeringpost.com/
so suck on that Rupert  :D

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 2:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:59pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:57pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 7:21pm: If Rupert Murdoch bought the ABC, obviously there are those on the left who would be outraged. But think of it this way. If he bought it, wouldn't it be better business-wise from his perspective to have it as a leftist media outlet? Why make it right wing when it would eat into his own market share? The guy clearly isn't stupid and I don't see him turning the ABC right wing. So I don't understand the cry's of the left against selling the ABC, given that we are paying for something many feel is pushing leftist propaganda. you are forgetting one very important point ... he doesn't need to worry about it eating into his share. He already has 70% of Australias media, and to give him the ABC would just about tie it all up for him. You will have forevermore as your PM whoever Murdoch likes. Did you forget Murdoch backed Rudd in 07? He's regretted it ever since, as have a large portion of ordinary Australians. does that in anyway excuse Murdochs abuse of his powers? so it is abuse in 2013 but not in 2007... I think I see how this works for you...

so show me a story on the first day of Rudds 2007 election campaign calling for Howard to get booted ..... only you would try to compare the two, dopey ... sure, in 2007 they eventually sided with Rudd,  I think they eventually made the call 2 weeks before the election  ......  but in 2010 they sided with Abbott the day after Gillard won the election, and kept up a relentless campaign of muck raking and lies for the next 3 yrs. You think they are the same, more power to you ... just don't complain when others take you for a fool for doing so.