Local moslems vandalise the exterior [only?] of a church in Germany


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"A church in Germany is vandalized with the "Allah Akbar" trademark,
as Muslim immigrants there begin to mark newly acquired territory."

Respect bro!




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Of course, the people who did this, were not 'typical' moslems.           :P

In fact it is entirely presumptuous of us to suppose that this vandalism was committed by a moslem!           :P

'Pluralised' moslems never behave in such ways....

Ask gandalf - the OzPol expert on all things Kosher halal...
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1386560399/3#3
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1386560399/5#5


['Pluralised moslem'  <---- that is a technical term, which refers to a moslem who has embraced the pluralist society.]








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2nd & 3rd IMAGE SOURCE;
http://israelsmessiah.com/terrorism/teaching_hatred.htm

Maybe it was a retaliation for this far, far worse attack on a mosque in Germany recently?

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2013/11/countries/germany/pig-head-soaked-in-blood-thrown-at-ahmadiyya-mosque-site-in-germany

I wouldn't even be interested if the local church got vandalised.  Hell, I don't even know where my local church is.  Why would I care about a church in Germania?

... wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 7:59pm:

I wouldn't even be interested if the local church got vandalised.  Hell, I don't even know where my local church is.  Why would I care about a church in Germania?

he doesn't care either.  All he cares about is trying to keep his hate of Muslims alive through the most pathetic means possible, like this.

Stratos wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

Maybe it was a retaliation for this far, far worse attack on a mosque in Germany recently? http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2013/11/countries/germany/pig-head-soaked-in-blood-thrown-at-ahmadiyya-mosque-site-in-germany

I wonder if the local German community also have any 'issues' or friction with other local minority communities ?

I wonder if the local German community also have problems with the local Buddhist community, for example ?


Why is the problems always involve problems with moslems ?

Why is it that every local host community always 'persecute' the local moslem community, do you think ?







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Christians in Delaware vandalise Mosque.

Christian teens vandalise Mosque in Newark

Map of anti-Mosque activity in the USA

Jews in Israel vandalise Mosque.

Jews vandalise Christian graves

Buddhists vandalise mosque.

Looks to me like there is a whole load of intolerance going on.  So you only talk about Christian churches being vandalised?

|dev|null wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 12:17pm:

Christians in Delaware vandalise Mosque. Christian teens vandalise Mosque in Newark Map of anti-Mosque activity in the USA Jews in Israel vandalise Mosque. Jews vandalise Christian graves Buddhists vandalise mosque. Looks to me like there is a whole load of intolerance going on.  So you only talk about Christian churches being vandalised?

Yadda is a fool.

Defends the Jews but the Jews routinely attack Christians And churches in Israel.

... wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 7:59pm:

I wouldn't even be interested if the local church got vandalised.  Hell, I don't even know where my local church is.  Why would I care about a church in Germania?

In the same way you should care if vandals destroy anyone's property, or you would be indifferent with any property being vandalised, including your own. So long as it is not in your backyard you seem to be ok with vandalism of other people's property.



The little grubs need a severe arse kicking.

Hot Breath wrote:

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Christians in Delaware vandalise Mosque. Christian teens vandalise Mosque in Newark

There is absolutely no mention of Christians / Christianity in either of the two articles which are both reporting the same event

In fact a short extract from the second link says:

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Following the arrests, police said investigators had determined that the crime was a random act of vandalism, and that there was no evidence to support classification as a hate crime. Sergeant Paul G. Shavack, Director of Public Information for the Delaware State Police, was quoted as saying, "There was no conclusive evidence to show that this act of vandalism was directed, targeted, or focused towards the Islamic Society of Delaware because of its religious affiliation or intended to intimidate the Islamic community."

So there we have it, a random act of vandalism carried out by idiot teenagers.

Then right on cue, a muslim apologist lying in order to try and decry Christianity

moses wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 2:02pm:

There is absolutely no mention of Christians / Christianity in either of the two articles which are both reporting the same event

There was no source in Yadda's post, so maybe it wasn't done by Muslims?
moses wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 2:02pm:

Then right on cue, a muslim apologist lying in order to try and decry Christianity

How can you be so blindly hypocritical while Yadda is up there trying to make it look like an act of vandalism is about Muslims spreading their territory.  That is literally what he is saying.

This bit sounded nice in their reaction.


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"We were shocked actually. We are very peaceful people and love to live in peace. We love for everyone else to live in peace and practice their faith. We object to any kind of violence against anyone Muslim or non-Muslim," said Abdelhadi Shehata, IMAM. Now they prayed for peace, and just to be safe they've started installing security cameras.

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 1:31pm:

... wrote on Dec 9th, 2013 at 7:59pm: I wouldn't even be interested if the local church got vandalised.  Hell, I don't even know where my local church is.  Why would I care about a church in Germania? In the same way you should care if vandals destroy anyone's property, or you would be indifferent with any property being vandalised, including your own. So long as it is not in your backyard you seem to be ok with vandalism of other people's property. The little grubs need a severe arse kicking.

I think the germans are quite capable of delivering that severe arse kicking themselves, don't you?

moses wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 2:02pm:

Hot Breath wrote: Quote: Christians in Delaware vandalise Mosque. Christian teens vandalise Mosque in Newark There is absolutely no mention of Christians / Christianity in either of the two articles which are both reporting the same event In fact a short extract from the second link says: [quote] Following the arrests, police said investigators had determined that the crime was a random act of vandalism, and that there was no evidence to support classification as a hate crime. Sergeant Paul G. Shavack, Director of Public Information for the Delaware State Police, was quoted as saying, "There was no conclusive evidence to show that this act of vandalism was directed, targeted, or focused towards the Islamic Society of Delaware because of its religious affiliation or intended to intimidate the Islamic community."

So there we have it, a random act of vandalism carried out by idiot teenagers.

Then right on cue, a muslim apologist lying in order to try and decry Christianity[/quote]

Sure sure.

It's always random or mental.

Stratos:
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How can you be so blindly hypocritical while Yadda is up there trying to make it look like an act of vandalism is about Muslims spreading their territory.  That is literally what he is saying.

I have no idea whether Yadda is on track by blaming muslims for the desecrations written in Arabic on the church doors, (there is no source) Therefore as I don't know I can't comment.

However you seemed quiet happy to accept that muslims were responsible when you posted:
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Maybe it was a retaliation for this far, far worse attack on a mosque in Germany recently?  http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2013/11/countries/germany/pig-head-soaked-in-blood-thrown-at-ahmadiyya-mosque-site-in-germany

Now on to Hot Breath's post: He posted two links both about the same incident.

Christians were not mentioned in either, in fact it was described as a random act of vandalism, with no racial or religious ties.

Hot Breath lied

moses wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 2:02pm:

Hot Breath wrote: Quote: Christians in Delaware vandalise Mosque. Christian teens vandalise Mosque in Newark There is absolutely no mention of Christians / Christianity in either of the two articles which are both reporting the same event

It is implied as the dominant religion in the US is Christianity.  Militant Christians are the most likely culprits.  Just applying the same logic you Christian bigots do to Muslims!   :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Yadda wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 7:43pm:

In fact it is entirely presumptuous of us to suppose that this vandalism was committed by a moslem!

A bit, perhaps.

What would prevent an atheist/Buddhist/Scientologist/Christian from doing this in order to stir up some hate against the Muslims?

Do you have a link to the actual news story?

When did this happen?

Was anyone charged?

A few more details would be nice.

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... wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 2:50pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 10th, 2013 at 1:31pm: ... wrote on Dec 9th, 2013 at 7:59pm: I wouldn't even be interested if the local church got vandalised.  Hell, I don't even know where my local church is.  Why would I care about a church in Germania? In the same way you should care if vandals destroy anyone's property, or you would be indifferent with any property being vandalised, including your own. So long as it is not in your backyard you seem to be ok with vandalism of other people's property. The little grubs need a severe arse kicking. I think the germans are quite capable of delivering that severe arse kicking themselves, don't you?

Yep a size 10 steel capped jack boot should be able to do enough damage to the little rag headed bastard.

Hot Breath

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It is implied as the dominant religion in the US is Christianity.  Militant Christians are the most likely culprits.  Just applying the same logic you Christian bigots do to Muslims!

You lied H.B.

You stated twice, that Christians had vandalized a mosque, therefore you deliberately lied twice in the one post.

moses wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 8:26pm:

Hot Breath Quote: It is implied as the dominant religion in the US is Christianity.  Militant Christians are the most likely culprits.  Just applying the same logic you Christian bigots do to Muslims! You lied H.B. You stated twice, that Christians had vandalized a mosque, therefore you deliberately lied twice in the one post.

Here's a challenge Moses.  Prove they weren't Christians.   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The facts are, you lied H.B. twice in the one post.

I can substantiate my statement that you are a liar, by referencing your own deceptive links. Christianity / Christians are not alluded to once.

You are now a proven liar on this board.

I'll take that as an admission you can't prove it.  I stand by my point that the perpetrators were Christians until proven otherwise.

Moses, you've been shown to still be a fool.  Perhaps you should go and peddle some more Micro$oft crap programs?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

All the twisting and turning, you should change your name to Chubby Checker


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Hot Breath wrote on Dec 10th, 2013 at 12:17pm: Christians in Delaware vandalise Mosque. Christian teens vandalise Mosque in Newark

Both of these links refer to the same incident, described as: a random act of vandalism, without religious or racial motives.

Hot Breath is a proven LIAR on this debate site.

moses wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

All the twisting and turning, you should change your name to Chubby Checker Quote: Hot Breath wrote on Dec 10th, 2013 at 12:17pm: Christians in Delaware vandalise Mosque. Christian teens vandalise Mosque in Newark Both of these links refer to the same incident, described as: a random act of vandalism, without religious or racial motives. Hot Breath is a proven LIAR on this debate site.

Mose, where did I claim that the motivation behind the attacks was because of the attackers' religion?  I merely identified the religion of the attackers.  You seem to have leapt to a conclusion.  Something I know bigots are so prone to where Muslims are concerned.    :D  :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Same old, same old, nothings changed in this thread.

Conclusion:Hot Breath is a proven LIAR on this debate site

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 6:10pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 9th, 2013 at 7:43pm: In fact it is entirely presumptuous of us to suppose that this vandalism was committed by a moslem!        A bit, perhaps. What would prevent an atheist/Buddhist/Scientologist/Christian from doing this in order to stir up some hate against the Muslims? Do you have a link to the actual news story? When did this happen? Was anyone charged? A few more details would be nice.

So ... ?

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 6:28pm:

... wrote on Dec 10th, 2013 at 2:50pm: BigOl64 wrote on Dec 10th, 2013 at 1:31pm: ... wrote on Dec 9th, 2013 at 7:59pm: I wouldn't even be interested if the local church got vandalised.  Hell, I don't even know where my local church is.  Why would I care about a church in Germania? In the same way you should care if vandals destroy anyone's property, or you would be indifferent with any property being vandalised, including your own. So long as it is not in your backyard you seem to be ok with vandalism of other people's property. The little grubs need a severe arse kicking. I think the germans are quite capable of delivering that severe arse kicking themselves, don't you? Yep a size 10 steel capped jack boot should be able to do enough damage to the little rag headed bastard.

Ah yes, physical violence: that's the answer.

The disposable pawn shows his true colours, once again.

moses wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 7:14pm:

Same old, same old, nothings changed in this thread. Conclusion:Hot Breath is a proven LIAR on this debate site

I think rather that you've merely damned yourself with your own quoting of HB's original post, Moses.   He made no mention of the motivation of the perpetrators.  Is leaping to conclusions the only exercise you get?   ::)

Aw gee Brian, nice smoke screen, however the facts are Hot Breath wrote:

1/. Christians in Delaware vandalise Mosque.

2/. Christian teens vandalise Mosque in Newark

Both of these statements are false accusations.

Conclusion:Hot Breath is a proven LIAR on this debate site

moses wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 12:35pm:

Aw gee Brian, nice smoke screen, however the facts are Hot Breath wrote: 1/. Christians in Delaware vandalise Mosque. 2/. Christian teens vandalise Mosque in Newark Both of these statements are false accusations. Conclusion:Hot Breath is a proven LIAR on this debate site

You have yet to prove that the perpetrators were not Christians, Moses.  Therefore you cannot claim that HB is a "proven liar".   

Remember, he is talking about religious identification, NOT religious motivation.

I look forward to you apologising to HB.  I won't be holding my breath though.    ::)

An unfounded statement / accusation, that the vandals were Christians, was a deliberate lie.

CONCLUSION:Hot Breath is a proven LIAR on this debate site

An unfounded statement / accusation, that the vandals were Christians, was a deliberate lie.

CONCLUSION:Hot Breath is a proven LIAR on this site

Double post, don't know why, first time nothing happened, then second time they both appeared

In order to prove your contention that HB is a "proven liar" you must prove he lied.  Thus far you have failed dismally.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 5:22pm:

In order to prove your contention that HB is a "proven liar" you must prove he lied.  Thus far you have failed dismally.    ::)

LOL, by the standards he routinely demands of others, ie an explicit reference he has failed dismally.

PS, was that you I saw using a wiki reference?  Don't you normally roll your eyes at use of wiki and sniffily declare it to be below the standards that require when you are pretending to be an academic on the interwebs? 

You two are so funny and not in a good way.   

Datalife wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 5:35pm:

LOL, by the standards he routinely demands of others, ie an explicit reference he has failed dismally.

so, you don't have an explcit reference?  Or does that mean the same standards he has, which you are currently in the process of trying to trash?

Even if you are absolutely right here, that would make him a hypocrite, not a liar.

Stratos wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 7:02am:

Datalife wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 5:35pm: LOL, by the standards he routinely demands of others, ie an explicit reference he has failed dismally. so, you don't have an explcit reference?  Or does that mean the same standards he has, which you are currently in the process of trying to trash?

hehehe, No I don't have an explicit reference, not dipping an oar in there, I was riffing about the failing dismally bit.  Read back a bit and take it a bit slower and my remark will make sense to you...or maybe not.  I don't have a great deal of confidence in your abilities.

But now that you have dipped your oar in, do you have an explicit reference?  ;D ;D.  See what I did there, holding you to the same standard you have just attempted to lambast me for?  I love you idiots.

PS after just trashing your own attempt at a "point" you might want to have a go at this "Or does that mean the same standards he has, which you are currently in the process of trying to trash?".  I have no clue what you are blathering about. 

Hot Breath unequivocally stated the vandals were Christian, there is no evidence to support his malicious, fallacious  claims, therefore:

CONCLUSION:Hot Breath is a proven LIAR on this debate site

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 6:10pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 9th, 2013 at 7:43pm: In fact it is entirely presumptuous of us to suppose that this vandalism was committed by a moslem!        A bit, perhaps. What would prevent an atheist/Buddhist/Scientologist/Christian from doing this in order to stir up some hate against the Muslims? Do you have a link to the actual news story? When did this happen? Was anyone charged? A few more details would be nice.

Any answers, to the questions above?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 6:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 10th, 2013 at 6:10pm: Yadda wrote on Dec 9th, 2013 at 7:43pm: In fact it is entirely presumptuous of us to suppose that this vandalism was committed by a moslem!        A bit, perhaps. What would prevent an atheist/Buddhist/Scientologist/Christian from doing this in order to stir up some hate against the Muslims? Any answers, to the questions above?

If they did it would be the fault of the Muselman. He started it, you see.

Karnal wrote on Dec 25^th, 2013 at 6:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23rd, 2013 at 6:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 10th, 2013 at 6:10pm: Yadda wrote on Dec 9th, 2013 at 7:43pm: In fact it is entirely presumptuous of us to suppose that this vandalism was committed by a moslem!        A bit, perhaps. What would prevent an atheist/Buddhist/Scientologist/Christian from doing this in order to stir up some hate against the Muslims? Any answers, to the questions above? If they did it would be the fault of the Muselman. He started it, you see.

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ISLAMIC CULTURE, in the form of ISLAMIC law.... "Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...." fiqhussunnah/#3.110 n.b. "Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

Q.
Who is it that chooses to embrace that 'culture' ?

A.
The moslem.i

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ISLAMIC CULTURE, FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED "...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Q.
Who is it that chooses to embrace that 'culture' ?

A.
The moslem.i
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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian. Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'" Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us". These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world. ...DDA Google it. n.b. "Killing infidels is a small matter to us" Mohammed - the prophet of the religion of peace dismembered body parts.

Q.
Who is it that chooses to embrace that 'culture' ?

A.
The moslem.i


Quote:

ISLAMIC CULTURE, FROM THE KORAN.... "Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Koran 2.216 "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123 "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. " Koran 9.29

Q.
Who is it that chooses to embrace that 'culture' ?

A.
The moslem.i

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Mild mannered Mohamed Morsi - Ex-President of Egypt "The Koran is our constitution" "The Prophet Muhammad is our leader" "Jihad is our path" "AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

Q.
Who is it that chooses to embrace that 'culture' ?

A.
The moslem.

Yadda.  No one reads anything you write when it's like that.  If you have a point, just say it, for as the good book says:  "37 But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one"

People will pay attention to you far more if you keep it simple and don't use pages of quotes, font changes and colours.

Stratos wrote on Dec 25^th, 2013 at 10:38pm:

Yadda.  No one reads anything you write.....

That is their choice, Stratos.






Stratos,

In conflicts [with others], deceit and deception is a tactic of the 'theatre' of war and conflict.

So in public forums, why should would moslems want to confront the truth, about what ISLAM sanctions and promotes ?

i.e.
Enmity and violence and murder, against those who are not moslems.


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06                  Volume 1, Page 77b: One Who Ignores His Prayers







Stratos,

How would you describe a group of people who choose to follow a philosophy, which teaches them [moslems], that it is lawful for them [moslems] to either subjugate [i.e. enslave] or murder mankind ?

e.g.
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111iQuote:

Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian. Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'" Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us". These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world. ...DDA

Google it.



n.b.
"Killing infidels is a small matter to us"
Mohammed - the prophet of peace.iQuote:

Stratos said; "The passages from the Hadith also aren't actively encouraging [terrorism] either, just saying that it happened." HADITH.... "A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." " hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065 hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i n.b. ......"He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." AND AGAIN, JUST FOR Stratos [....who pretends that he doesn't have the wit, to 'join the dots']; Dictionary; terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. "Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." " hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026

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Yadda.  No one reads anything you write.....

I know, Stratos.

There are no 'issues' at all, to address, with ISLAM/moslems.

There is only 'the work', to disparage and castigate the critics of ISLAM, to attack and to silence them.


Why won't people like yourself, address the issues Stratos ?



"We have only to remove those who oppose us."
Saruman - LOTR - The Two Towersi



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Mild mannered - "We will govern for all Egyptians" - Mohamed Morsi - Ex-President of Egypt "The Koran is our constitution" "The Prophet Muhammad is our leader" "Jihad is our path" "AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

Q.
Who is it that chooses to embrace that 'culture' ?

A.
The moslem.


'What a friend we have in Jesus people like Stratos.'

Stratos,

Do you imagine, that a moslem 'loves' you ?




You are living in a dream world, Stratos.

You are being 'used'.

Yadda wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

Quote: Yadda.  No one reads anything you write..... I know, Stratos. There are no 'issues' at all, to address, with ISLAM/moslems. There is only 'the work', to disparage and castigate the critics of ISLAM, to attack and to silence them. Why won't people like yourself, address the issues Stratos ?

Stratos,

For people like yourself, you do not care if moslems are terrorising and murdering others, in other jurisdictions.

Because as long as you are being 'stroked',      ....you do not care about what moslems are doing to others.






Stratos,

People like yourself, do not care if moslems are a group of people who choose to follow a philosophy, which teaches them [moslems], that it is lawful for them [moslems] to either subjugate [i.e. enslave] or murder mankind.

So long as Stratos is being 'stroked', all is well with the world.iQuote:

Stratos, QUESTION; If the religious violence in the world, which is being attributed to moslems/ISLAM, is not attributable to moslems/ISLAM, then; Who is responsible for all of this religious violence in the world, that is being attributed [to moslems and the influence of] ISLAM, Stratos ?i+++ CAUSE?; "...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260 EFFECT?; [quote]February 5, 2008 70-year-old woman, convert from Islam to Christianity, burned to death in Bangladesh ....DHAKA, BANGLADESH (BosNewsLife)-- Christian villagers in a Muslim-majority area of Bangladesh on Tuesday, February 5, mourned the death of a 70-year-old woman who died from burns she suffered when a mob reportedly set her home ablaze as a punishment for converting from Islam to Christianity.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019813.php


NOT ACCORDING TO PEOPLE LIKE Stratos!

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Yadda.  I made no mention about Muslims in my post.  I'm just saying when you post in that crayon coloured and copy pasted verbose hyperbole, I'm not going to read it.

You are literally quoting your own previous posts and making them three times as long as they need to be.

I just skip his posts, hes like one of those loonies that walk around on the street constantly  babbling to themselves in gibberish.

Yadda wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 7:43pm:

In fact it is entirely presumptuous of us to suppose that this vandalism was committed by a moslem!

A bit, perhaps.

What would prevent an atheist/Buddhist/Scientologist/Christian from doing this in order to stir up some hate against the Muslims?

Do you have a link to the actual news story?

When did this happen?

Was anyone charged?

A few more details would be nice.

Well ... ?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 11:43am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 9th, 2013 at 7:43pm: In fact it is entirely presumptuous of us to suppose that this vandalism was committed by a moslem!        A bit, perhaps. What would prevent an atheist/Buddhist/Scientologist/Christian from doing this in order to stir up some hate against the Muslims? Do you have a link to the actual news story? When did this happen? Was anyone charged? A few more details would be nice. Well ... ?

greggerypeccary,

To what end ?

If anyone was apprehended [moslem or non-moslem], they would likely get a $100 fine.            >:(i


greggerypeccary,

In contrast;       We KNOW who these persons are.....


IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg
Sydney CBD, 2012, members of the moslem DEATH CULT,
demanding the right to exercise their 'religious freedom'.
Members of the moslem DEATH CULT, demanding the right to 'practise their religion'.
Members of the moslem DEATH CULT, proclaiming their 'religious' right to murder persons [who are not moslems], because they 'offend' and 'insult' moslems, by refusing to believe as they [moslems] believe.




greggerypeccary,

Forget about criminal acts in Germany.

Why aren't those [Sydney] moslems languishing in an Australian goal, for 20-30 years !!!!

For inciting moslems to murder those persons who do not believe what moslems believe ???????

Alternatively, what is wrong with bringing back public hanging, for such human filth sewage ?





ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06                  Volume 1, Page 77b: One Who Ignores His Prayersin.b.
My calling for public hangings [for persons committing capital crimes] is not me, 'inciting' anything.

I want the laws on sedition and treason stiffened & enforced.

I want to see 'heads on pikes' for such crimes!

Just a personal opinion.

Crying out loud Yadda.  You have been shown previously that the actions in the Sydney CBD were condemned by many MANY times more Muslims than those who took part in them.

Stop using points that are factually misleading.

You Christians are supposed to be against such things anyway.  And while you condone Biblical genocide   as it occurs in the old testament, you have no right whatsoever to call Islam a death cult.  not while you continually refuse to condemn your own religions genocides.

Stratos wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:17pm:

Crying out loud Yadda.  You have been shown previously that the actions in the Sydney CBD were condemned by many MANY times more Muslims than those who took part in them.

Stratos,

Unlike yourself,      ...when moslems tell me [what are obviously] lies, i don't believe them.






Quote:

Stop using points that are factually misleading.

You are talking nonsensical rubbish.







Quote:

You Christians are supposed to be against such things anyway.  And while you condone Biblical genocide   as it occurs in the old testament, you have no right whatsoever to call Islam a death cult.  not while you continually refuse to condemn your own religions genocides.

You are talking nonsensical rubbish.

Thanks for replying sans font colour changes and massive quotes yadda.  It really does help.

The following articles are about the riots, and the reaction of the Muslim community around them.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/muslims-inundated-with-messages-of-hate-20120918-263gj.html#ixzz2S1NhqDQF
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-16/islamic-groups-condemn-violent-sydney-protest/4263884
http://www.afr.com/p/national/muslim_leaders_condemn_violent_protests_UkritXfm5BoZTlcpiOujHN

All news reprts showing that the riots were condened by a lot of Muslim groups.  I can find more if you would like.

Yadda wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 9:05pm:

You are talking nonsensical rubbish.

You continuously link to a photo about an event, and say:


Yadda wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

Sydney CBD, 2012, members of the moslem DEATH CULT, demanding the right to exercise their 'religious freedom'. Members of the moslem DEATH CULT, demanding the right to 'practise their religion'. Members of the moslem DEATH CULT, proclaiming their 'religious' right to murder persons [who are not moslems], because they 'offend' and 'insult' moslems, by refusing to believe as they [moslems] believe.

After you have repeatedly been shown that the vast majority of Muslims condemn such behavior, with overwhelming evidence supporting this.  You are being intentionally misleading. 

Oh, and you still refuse to condemn the genocide as it occurs in the Old Testament, yet continually bash Muslims for not condemning these kind of things (when they clearly do).  That is clear hypocrisy.  You seem to know your Bible quite well, so I do hope you aren't forgetting the words of big J when he said


Quote:

You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Stratos wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:01pm:

Thanks for replying sans font colour changes and massive quotes yadda.  It really does help. The following articles are about the riots, and the reaction of the Muslim community around them. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/muslims-inundated-with-messages-of-hate-20120918-263gj.html#ixzz2S1NhqDQF http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-16/islamic-groups-condemn-violent-sydney-protest/4263884 http://www.afr.com/p/national/muslim_leaders_condemn_violent_protests_UkritXfm5BoZTlcpiOujHN All news reprts showing that the riots were condened by a lot of Muslim groups.  I can find more if you would like. Yadda wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 9:05pm: You are talking nonsensical rubbish. You continuously link to a photo about an event, and say: Yadda wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:00pm: Sydney CBD, 2012, members of the moslem DEATH CULT, demanding the right to exercise their 'religious freedom'. Members of the moslem DEATH CULT, demanding the right to 'practise their religion'. Members of the moslem DEATH CULT, proclaiming their 'religious' right to murder persons [who are not moslems], because they 'offend' and 'insult' moslems, by refusing to believe as they [moslems] believe. After you have repeatedly been shown that the vast majority of Muslims condemn such behavior, with overwhelming evidence supporting this.  You are being intentionally misleading.

I believe such condemnations to be false declarations.

As per the declarations of the lying deceitful, Feiz Mohammed.

THIS LYING MOSLEM SPEAKS TO A *MOSLEM* AUDIENCE

Quote:

Use children as troops, says cleric [Sheik Feiz Mohammed] January 18, 2007 ..."We want to have children and offer them as soldiers...Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom." ......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims). "Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt."

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=94224
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php

#3,
THE EXACT SAME MOSLEM LATER SPEAKS TO A NON-MOSLEM AUDIENCE - WHO HAVE BECOME AWARE OF HIS PREVIOUS STATEMENTS

Quote:

Fiery Australian cleric claims jihad remarks were misunderstood "The jihad I speak of is not one of violence,"... "I don't believe in suicide bombing. I don't believe in violence against others," he said. "We denounce that. This is not Islamic law and it is not moral."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/01/fiery-australian-cleric-claims-jihad-remarks-were-misunderstood.html



Stratos,

And you are sanctioning this moslem deceit.

Because i have made you aware of it previously.






Quote:

Oh, and you still refuse to condemn the genocide as it occurs in the Old Testament, yet continually bash Muslims for not condemning these kind of things (when they clearly do).  That is clear hypocrisy.

Stratos,

And why did God hate the; Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites,
.......do you think ???

I cannot deny it.

My God sanctioned the killing of the people of nations practising the slaughter and 'barbecuing' of their own infant children.

My God, sanctioned the killing of wrongdoers - oppressors, murderers, criminals.

Boo hoo!




But the God of Israel, forbade the Hebrews [Israel] from killing [or oppressing] people because those people do not worship, or do not believe in [or do not know] him.

Stratos,

It is all there, in the Bible.




Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

n.b.
.....and thou shalt love him as thyself

Leviticus 25:47-49
[these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.]

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18  But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...

Stratos,

Why won't you condemn moslems for their obvious lying and deceit ?



FURTHER EXAMPLES OF MOSLEM DECEIT AND LYING;

DECEIT EXAMPLE #1,
GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO NON-MOSLEM AUDIENCE
A UK moslem *community leader*, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;
"We condemn the killing of all innocent civilians."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article552594.ece

#1,
THE KICKER...
"...Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: "Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar." "iDECEIT EXAMPLE #2,

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims London, Sept.8 [2007] A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war. Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle. A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain. Polite and softly spoken.... He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece







DECEIT EXAMPLE #3,

Quote:

A body representing British 'mainstream' moslems, The Muslim Council of Britain, declares on its website, that ISLAM is a philosophy which condemns extremism and violence.... [quote] Rejecting Terror Thursday, 11 April 2013 Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent. There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith. The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace. It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewstemplate&catid=82:mcb-news
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656




BUT THERE IS AMPLE COUNTER EVIDENCE - WHICH DEMOLISHES THE CREDIBILITY OF THE CLAIMS, OF [moslems of] THE REJECTION OF EXTREMISM AND INTOLERANCE, IN ISLAM;

ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."





FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260




"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

[/quote]






BUT NONE OF THESE EXAMPLES ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO CONVINCE STRATOS [AND OTHERS LIKE HIM], THAT MOSLEM COMMUNITIES ARE CONDUCTING A CAMPAIGN OF LIES AND DECEIT AGAINST NON-MOSLEMS.

and we're back to crayon drawings.

I never condone extremism, and never will.  I challenge you to find me one time when I have.
While you on the other hand are willing to support genocide.  Apparently you think that's OK because the cultures were evil.  Were the infants?  because God instructed the Israelites to kill them too.  Somehow in your mind that makes it OK

Oh and good, I see you have clearly ignored the relevant information about the Sydney 2012 riots and the multitude of Muslim leaders who condemned them and replaced them with something from a completely different country.  This is called "moving the goalposts" Yadda, and only seeks to muddy the waters further.


Yadda wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:55pm:

And you are sanctioning this moslem deceit.

No I'm not.  Find me one post where I defend Muslims deceiving people.

Please Yadda, reply with something you wrote, not something copy pasted from a million previous things, and lay off the crayons. 

Stratos wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 11:22pm:

and we're back to crayon drawings. I never condone extremism, and never will.  I challenge you to find me one time when I have. While you on the other hand are willing to support genocide.  Apparently you think that's OK because the cultures were evil.  Were the infants?  because God instructed the Israelites to kill them too.  Somehow in your mind that makes it OK

Stratos,

How many American servicemen's lives were spared, because Japan surrendered at the conclusion of WWII ?

Because American servicemen didn't have to fight Japan to a conventional warfare surrender, at the conclusion of WWII ?

Were all of the innocent Japanese infants who died, worth the lives of the American servicemen who did not die ?

No ?

Well, go and argue that with God.

Or with the wives and children, of those American servicemen.








Quote:

Oh and good, I see you have clearly ignored the relevant information about the Sydney 2012 riots and the multitude of Muslim leaders who condemned them and replaced them with something from a completely different country.  This is called "moving the goalposts" Yadda, and only seeks to muddy the waters further.

ISLAM is one nation.

Moslems know that.

You pretend, that you do not.

Stratos,

You are either ignorant, or deceitful.

Just like your moslem 'friends'.





Quote:

Yadda wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 10:55pm: And you are sanctioning this moslem deceit. No I'm not.  Find me one post where I defend Muslims deceiving people.

Stratos,

You did exactly that, here....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1386582212/48#48

Quote:

Crying out loud Yadda.  You have been shown previously that the actions in the Sydney CBD were condemned by many MANY times more Muslims than those who took part in them.

You are
1/ defending moslems, who are
2/ deceiving people.

[And, you will deny it.     Because there is no truth in you.]

Yadda wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 11:46pm:

You are 1/ defending moslems, who are 2/ deceiving people.

I will conceded that point if you can prove they are lying.  But you can't can you?


Yadda wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 11:46pm:

Were all of the innocent Japanese infants who died, worth the lives of the American servicemen who did not die ?

Still defending the wholesale slaughter of innocent infants i see you hypocrite.  That is exactly why you said God ordered the Israelistes to kill the other nations in your previous post here


Yadda wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:55pm:

My God sanctioned the killing of the people of nations practising the slaughter and 'barbecuing' of their own infant children.

So apparently nuking and slaughtering kids is A-OK as long as it's from the side you support.  I'm sure your Lord and Savior would have some words to say about your blatant hypocrisy.

Stratos wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 12:02am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 11:46pm: You are 1/ defending moslems, who are 2/ deceiving people. I will conceded that point if you can prove they are lying.  But you can't can you? Yadda wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 11:46pm: Were all of the innocent Japanese infants who died, worth the lives of the American servicemen who did not die ? Still defending the wholesale slaughter of innocent infants i see you hypocrite.  That is exactly why you said God ordered the Israelistes to kill the other nations in your previous post here Yadda wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 10:55pm: My God sanctioned the killing of the people of nations practising the slaughter and 'barbecuing' of their own infant children. So apparently nuking and slaughtering kids is A-OK as long as it's from the side you support.  I'm sure your Lord and Savior would have some words to say about your blatant hypocrisy.

We should not seek to destroy what is wicked
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388087903/0#0

ian wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:29am:

I just skip his posts, hes like one of those loonies that walk around on the street constantly  babbling to themselves in gibberish.

He's not well.

e.g. "Alternatively, what is wrong with bringing back public hanging, for such human filth sewage ?"


http://chandlersfantasyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/crazy_old_man_1.jpg

Stratos wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 12:02am:

I will conceded that point if you can prove they are lying.  But you can't can you?

Stratos, for the upteenth time you need to google taqiyya: the muslim doctrine of deceit. Please don't make poor Yadda have to point this out to you again

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 8:49am:

Stratos wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 12:02am: I will conceded that point if you can prove they are lying.  But you can't can you? Stratos, for the upteenth time you need to google taqiyya: the muslim doctrine of deceit. Please don't make poor Yadda have to point this out to you again

gandalf,

I am a child.

I cannot tell, are you,
1/ coming to the truth,
or,
2/ are you just mocking the truth ?i




+++


Quote:

Stratos, Why won't you condemn moslems for their obvious lying and deceit ? FURTHER EXAMPLES OF MOSLEM DECEIT AND LYING; DECEIT EXAMPLE #1, GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO NON-MOSLEM AUDIENCE A UK moslem *community leader*, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing; "We condemn the killing of all innocent civilians." http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article552594.ece #1, THE KICKER... "...Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: "Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar." "iDECEIT EXAMPLE #2, [quote] Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims London, Sept.8 [2007] A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war. Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle. A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain. Polite and softly spoken.... He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

[/quote]







Stratos,

I'm still waiting for your response;

Why won't you ACKNOWLEDGE the obvious lying and deceit of moslems, in their communication with non-moslems, about the nature of ISLAM [....and their own intent, towards those who are not moslems] ?

And why won't you condemn moslems for their obvious lying and deceit ?

Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 9:17am:

And why won't you condemn moslems for their obvious lying and deceit ?

When they do, I absolutely condemn Muslims for lying and deceit.  The same way I do with anyone else, regardless of religion.

Now will you do me the same favour and condemn genocide or continue to argue for it?  Or will you continue to support baby killers?

Double post

Stratos wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 9:23am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:17am: And why won't you condemn moslems for their obvious lying and deceit ? When they do, I absolutely condemn Muslims for lying and deceit.  The same way I do with anyone else, regardless of religion. Now will you do me the same favour and condemn genocide or continue to argue for it?  Or will you continue to support baby killers?

Of course i condemn genocide and murder.


Jesus said that we should obey God's laws.

And do no murder.



"Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother."
Matthew 19:16-19i


Quote:

Or will you continue to support baby killers?

Baby killers ?

Do you mean those Jews, of modern day Israel, perhaps ?

Please close the Islam forum
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1382389044/120#120

Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 9:36am:

Of course i condemn genocide and murder.

Ok, simple, condemn God's actions when he instructed the Israelites to commit genocide against other nations?

Stratos wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 9:42am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:36am: Of course i condemn genocide and murder. Ok, simple, condemn God's actions when he instructed the Israelites to commit genocide against other nations?

Stratos,

I can see, and understand your logic.

And your logic is a perverse logic, imo

Dictionary;
perverse = =
1 showing a deliberate and obstinate desire to behave unacceptably.       sexually perverted.
2 contrary to that which is accepted or expected.





Your logic, is that we don't have the right to judge, and to punish criminals, no matter how evil their actions.

Your logic, would produce a society were criminals would not be separated from society ['because criminals are just like us'], and essentially criminals would not be held accountable for their criminal actions - INCLUDING CRIMES LIKE WANTON GENOCIDE OR MURDER.
[i.e. not too dissimilar to the circumstances we can see, in some/many nations, today.]

In your 'perfect' non-judgemental society, we would have criminals always living among a population, and as a consequence, frequently preying upon the innocent.

Your logic, is that it is wrong and evil, for individuals to seek to 'discriminate', and to seek to separate themselves from what they judge to be wrong and evil.

Your logic, is that we should just let what is wrong and evil fester, among us.

Because it is wrong, for us to discriminate in favour of, and to protect, what is precious [and innocent].



Yes, i have to commend you Stratos, you are so, so, 'progressive'!      [....and that, is not a compliment!]


progressive = = promote societal attitudes and common behaviours, which will undermine current societal structures and institutions until lawlessness is common, and lawlessness is accepted as the 'norm'.

progressive = = a person or group, who by their actions, promote lawlessness, so as to destroy the laws and therefore the fabric of a society.


Stratos,

You are a very perverse and deceitful individual, imo.







God opposes LAWLESSNESS in men [in mankind] and he opposes [will destroy ?] people such as yourself.

God hates LAWLESSNESS, and God wants men his children to separate what is precious, from what is vile.

And where men fail to choose, to separate what is precious, from what is vile, God intends to complete that task.


Isaiah 26:20
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21  For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.







Stratos,

You and i, live on different 'planets'.

And that, is good thing, imo.

ISLAM is what you are directly fostering and promoting, while all the while hiding your [true] self.

What, is your true self ?



ISLAM is political philosophy which [it can be demonstrated!] uses common age-old political 'mechanisms' [like lying, deception, intimidation, and extreme violence], in seeking to pursue its [ISLAM's] political aims.


Stratos,

IMO, there is no light, between what ISLAM is and what you are.

e.g.
When presented with evidences against them;
Moslems and moslem communities simply 'put up a wall' against reason, and refuse to acknowledge that ISLAM is a deceitful and extremely violent political philosophy,
.....which is masquerading as a justice based religion.

But rather, moslems condemn and denigrate their [rational] critics.

And you [too] Stratos, you can find it in you, to condemn and denigrate the critics of ISLAM.

But then, refuse to speak against or to condemn, what mainstream ISLAM is.

Or to condemn mainstream ISLAM, for the violent criminal behaviour which it clearly inspires, in moslems.

It is obvious 'where' you are standing Stratos.

Right beside SATAN.




Stratos,

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.







Stratos,

My God will prevail, he will have his good and righteous way, and he will remove [destroy ?] the lawless [i.e. those like yourself, who promote lawlessness].

His [sole] intention, is to purify his creation, to separate what is precious, from what is vile.


Psalms 14:4
Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.

Romans 3:5
....Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
6  God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15  For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.




God bless Israel !

oh boy, where to start.  Just to clarify my position in case it was unclear, was that two things you are advocating are never able to be justified, which is genocide, and the killing of infants, both of which the Israelites were instructed to do by God, and which you are defending


Yadda wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:49am:

Your logic, is that we don't have the right to judge, and to punish criminals, no matter how evil their actions.

Never said that. Incorrect representation.


Yadda wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:49am:

Your logic, would produce a society were criminals would not be separated from society

Thats funny, what with you being the one arguing on behalf of those who commit genocide and infanticide.  I don't want baby killers or war criminals living alongside other people, that's your shtick.


Yadda wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:49am:

In your 'perfect' non-judgemental society, we would have criminals always living among a population, and as a consequence, frequently preying upon the innocent

As opposed to yours where those who commit genocide and kill babies are somehow OK.  Your argument is getting frankly a bit weird.


Yadda wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:49am:

Because it is wrong, for us to discriminate in favour of, and to protect, what is precious [and innocent].

YOU ARE ARGUING FOR THE MURDER OF BABIES AND DECIDE TO USE THIS AS A POINT. 


Yadda wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:49am:

You are a very perverse and deceitful individual, imo.

Not perverse enough to stand and defend baby killers like you are however. 


Yadda wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:49am:

ISLAM is political philosophy which [it can be demonstrated!] uses common age-old political 'mechanisms' [like lying, deception, intimidation, and extreme violence], in seeking to pursue its [ISLAM's] political aims.

Deplorable definitely, where it occurs, and the majority of the worlds Muslims would agree with you and I on that. 

bad yes, but not as bad as standing up on behalf of baby killers like the Israelites in the Old Testament like you are doing.


Yadda wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:49am:

IMO, there is no light, between what ISLAM is and what you are.

Well your opinion of Muslims is a bit out there.  I had bacon for breakfast and everything.


Yadda wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:49am:

My God will prevail, he will have his good and righteous way, and he will remove [destroy ?] the lawless [i.e. those like yourself, who promote lawlessness].

Well if i stop posting suddenly, you'll know your God has come through on his promise.   As long as I'm posting your God is ineffectual.

tl,dr:  Stop promoting baby killing yadda, it's all kinds of messed up.

Struggling British Synagogue Saved By City's Muslims



Rather than close, Bradford Reform Synagogue's future is brighter than ever after the intervention of Bradford's Muslim community, which according to the 2011 census outnumbers the city's Jews by 129,041 to 299.

A fundraising effort – led by the secretary of a nearby mosque, together with the owner of a popular curry house and a local textile magnate – has secured the long-term future of the synagogue and forged a friendship between Bradfordian followers of Islam and Judaism. All things being well, by Christmas the first tranche of £103,000 of lottery money will have reached the synagogue's bank account after some of Bradford's most influential Muslims helped Leavor and other Jews to mount a bid.

The cross-cultural co-operation is warmly welcomed by Leavor, who moved to the city from Berlin as a refugee in 1937. "It's fantastic," he said this week, in a joint interview with Zulfi Karim, secretary of Bradford Council of Mosques. "Rudi is my new found big brother," said Karim, who is on the board at the central Westgate mosque a few hundred metres up the road from the synagogue. "It makes me proud that we can protect our neighbours and at the same time preserve an important part of Bradford's cultural heritage."

Now the two men get on so well that when Leavor goes on holiday he gives the synagogue keys to Karim, as well as the alarm code. They have begun what they hope will be a lasting tradition, whereby the Jewish community invites local Muslims and Christians to an oneg shabbat (Friday night dinner) and Muslims return the invitation for a Ramadan feast and Christians during the harvest festival. For the latter, Karim provided halal mince for the shepherd's pie.

Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

Quote:

.....The resort to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of "opening" the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad. Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers, nevertheless take place in a state of war, according to the Qur'an and to the authoritative commentaries of Islamic jurists. Unbelievers who stand in the way, creating obstacles for the da'wa, are blamed for this state of war, for the da'wa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it. In other words, those who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/07/islamic-dictionary-for-infidels.html





Stratos wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 11:21am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:49am: ISLAM is political philosophy which [it can be demonstrated!] uses common age-old political 'mechanisms' [like lying, deception, intimidation, and extreme violence], in seeking to pursue its [ISLAM's] political aims. Deplorable definitely, where it occurs, and the majority of the worlds Muslims would agree with you and I on that.  bad yes, but not as bad as standing up on behalf of baby killers like the Israelites in the Old Testament like you are doing.

Stratos,

Then WHY do those moslems, the majority of the worlds moslems, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ???


Paraphrasing Stratos,
"The majority of moslems [pretend that they] are not moslems Yadda.
When are you going to stop being a hate-monger Yadda ?"

Projection.


i.e. The majority of the worlds moslems, choose to associate themselves with a philosophy, which actively projects hatred towards those people who are not moslems.

But you are a hate-monger Yadda, for continually pointing that fact out.

Quote:

7 November 2007 Afghanistan mourns bomb victims ......President Karzai said about 35 people had been killed - most of them children, teachers and MPs - while the provincial governor told the BBC there had been 41 deaths. ......But our correspondent says many questions remain, including that of responsibility. The Taleban have denied that they carried out the attack, but they and al-Qaeda are the only ones known to use suicide bombs in Afghanistan so far.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7082481.stm







The moslem justification for the slaughter of children, during "Jihad operations"....


Quote:

There Can Be No End to Jihad' Islamist Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, in an exclusive interview, discusses the rationale for 9/11, the Christians he most respects, and the Jesus he defends. posted 11/05/2007 ....Any weapons are legitimate in jihad. Even animals may be used as "suicide bombers"! It is not restricted by target—even Muslims or children, if used by the enemy as human shields, can be killed. ....Killing women and children never was and never will be part of the jihad in Islam, whether that be the women or children of the Muslims or non-Muslims. So if Chechen mujahedeen killed women and children in Beslan, I would condemn it. The children of non-Muslims, such as those at Beslan, who die in such circumstances go to Paradise. ....Women and children [i.e. boys under 15] or Muslims are not legitimate targets—nor are any noncombatants [clergy, disabled, insane, elderly, etc.]. Not even Israeli children or women, unless they serve in the military, which most do, or live in properties taken from dispossessed Palestinians (Muslim or Christian), which virtually all do. However, if children are killed, the fault lies with the adult occupiers who brought them into a battlefield situation.

.....quoting a 'peace loving' moslem cleric, explaining that it is the non-moslems who are always to blame, when non-moslem children [i.e. Jewish children in occupied 'Palestinian'] are killed in "Jihad operations" with moslems.

Google;
"There Can Be No End to Jihad"


i.e.
SO, ACCORDING TO THE DUPLICITY OF MOSLEM PROPAGANDA....

If those who resist ISLAMISTS inadvertently kill innocents  = = "THEY, ARE MURDERERS OF INNOCENTS"

But if ISLAMISTS kill innocents  = = IT IS THE FAULT OF INFIDELS, BECAUSE THEY ARE BRINGING INNOCENTS INTO AN ENVIRONMENT OF CONFLICT [.....even when ISLAMISTS intentionally, or carelessly cause the deaths of those innocents]




Allah justifies the moslem 'total war' against infidels.

And, moslems always blame the infidels, for the consequences of ISLAM's 'total war'.

IMAGE...
A MOSLEM COMBATANT;
http://vladtepesblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/child1_bomber_jpgbzbmxr.jpg




YET MORE IMAGES OF MOSLEM COMBATANTS HERE;
Please close the Islam forum
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1382389044/120#120

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb.


Paraphrasing Stratos,
"In the Bible, Yadda's God called for the destruction of 6 nations, 3,400 years ago.
Therefore Yadda supports genocide."

Projection.

There are no contemporary 'rules of war', for moslems.

Moslems do not recognise such 'rules'.

ISLAM itself, brings every moslem, every moslem man, woman, and child, as a combatant, to 'the battlefield'.







Stratos wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 9:42am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:36am: Of course i condemn genocide and murder. Ok, simple, condemn God's actions when he instructed the Israelites to commit genocide against other nations?

Stratos,

I can see, and understand your logic.

And your logic is a perverse logic, imo

Dictionary;
perverse = =
1 showing a deliberate and obstinate desire to behave unacceptably.       sexually perverted.
2 contrary to that which is accepted or expected.

nice, an Omar Bakri quote.  He is condemned by the majority of Muslims.  Maybe you knew that and are being intentionally deceitful. 

Yadda, you sure do type a lot of words in your responses, but precious little of it is a response to what i have said.

Also none of it involves you denouncing the Old Testament practice of genocide and infanticide. As long as you support those two things you are far FAR worse than any Muslim I have ever met.

Your arguments support the killing of babies.  Stop supporting the murder of Infants Yadda

Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 9:36am:

Of course i condemn genocide and murder.

Stratos wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 9:42am:

Ok, simple, condemn God's actions when he instructed the Israelites to commit genocide against other nations?

Stratos wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:03pm:

nice, an Omar Bakri quote.  He is condemned by the majority of Muslims.  Maybe you knew that and are being intentionally deceitful.  Yadda, you sure do type a lot of words in your responses, but precious little of it is a response to what i have said. Also none of it involves you denouncing the Old Testament practice of genocide and infanticide. As long as you support those two things you are far FAR worse than any Muslim I have ever met. Your arguments support the killing of babies.  Stop supporting the murder of Infants Yadda

I'm thinking of changing my nickname from Yadda, to Herod.

Or maybe Abdullah ?

Stratos wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:03pm:

nice, an Omar Bakri quote.  He is condemned by the majority of Muslims.  Maybe you knew that and are being intentionally deceitful.

Stratos,

Terrorism is condemned by the majority of moslems too.

But that condemnation of terrorism [by moslems], doesn't stop the majority of terrorism acts that are being committed today, from being committed by moslems.

Those facts sorta demonstrates a disconnect between what moslems declare, and what moslems condemn condone, don't you think ?i
Terrorism is condemned by the majority of moslems......

HONEST!


WARNING !  WARNING !  WARNING ! 

DO NOT VISIT THIS WEB SITE UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE CHARACTERISED BY STRATOS AS A HATE-MONGER


THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

I'm not calling you a hatemonger.  I'm calling you someone who supports the murder of infants.

Which you are, and provably so.

Stratos wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:03pm:

nice, an Omar Bakri quote. He is condemned by the majority of Muslims. Maybe you knew that and are being intentionally deceitful.

You mean Omar Bakri was denounced by those 'honest' moslems ?

You mean Omar Bakri was denounced by that collection of people, who have a reputation for being inveterate LAIRS AND DECEIVERS ?






e.g.
When Yasser Arafat was alive, on numerous occasions [and for the benefit of the Western media ] after a terrorist outrage, Yasser Arafatwould often publicly declared;

"...I condemn completely this terrorist activity".

But Yasser Arafat was also recorded, when being among moslems, encouraging such 'Jihad operations'.

Just more deceit from your camp, Stratos.

What fine companions you have, Stratos.

The murderers and liars, which you stand beside, and defend.



Watch Yasser Arafat....

Please watch this YT...         goto 2m 45s
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0




Google;
Yasser Arafat died a billionaire

Yasser Arafat corruptly appropriated $billions in aid donations provided by naive EU governments.

How could this happen ???


Ask Stratos.

Oh thats right, apparently I'm a terrorist.  Hope ASIO isn't watching the forums.

Find me one thing i've said which condones religious extremism yadda

just one.

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Stratos wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:03pm:

Yadda, you sure do type a lot of words in your responses, but precious little of it is a response to what i have said. Also none of it involves you denouncing the Old Testament practice of genocide and infanticide. As long as you support those two things you are far FAR worse than any Muslim I have ever met. Your arguments support the killing of babies.  Stop supporting the murder of Infants Yadda

Always the difficulty when someone outside the Spirit of God, tries to understand the things of the Spirit of God. A person who cannot see past this world, and the things of this world, and his own flesh.

A person walking in the Spirit of God understands that all innocent people that have ever been killed are with the Lord, forever. Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act, because it precluded them from growing up to be indoctrinated into engaging in the same ritualistic prostitution, sodomy, bestiality, and sacrifice of children to idols, of their wicked parents.

A Godless person's imaginations of God, are knee-jerk, and generally devoid of any real understanding of justice. Thus the God of the Godless would be joined in heaven in the company of the Canaanites, PolPot and Hitler as likely as Mother Theresa. What you in effect accomplished, through your display of your hatred of God in your comment, was to tacitly voice your support for the ritual of the sacrifice of children to idols.

Let alone that God gave the Canaanites 400 years to repent before He exacted His judgment upon them.
http://www.brotherpete.com/old_testament_violence.htm

For Muslims reading this note, what does the Canaanite's sacrifice of children to idols suggest, about indoctrinating children to prostrate themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day, and to travel to that black stone idol and circumambulate it as the Arabian pagan's did before Muhammad was ever born, and as the pagans continued to do shoulder to shoulder with Muhammad's followers, even after he invented his anti-religion?
http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj___umrah.htm#tawaf

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 10:17pm:

devoid of any real understanding of justice

What kind of justice would call for the murder if children Pete.  I was really hoping Yadda was not alone in his advocacy of genocide.

Stratos,

Job had just got some bad news.....

Job 1:20
Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,
21  And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.
22  In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.


Proverbs 28:5
Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.




Stratos,

Trust me, you will get your chance to argue before Jesus, about God's 'injustice' in this world.