Below is an article that describes the "changing face" of Australia. It openly states that Australia is being dramatically transformed into that of Asian lineage. What however is hard to understand, is how the redefining, recolonization and transformation of a supposedly sovereign nation, with its own established identity and heritage, can go essentially unchallenged.

Is it political correctness and anti-white guilt-inducing propaganda that has successfully silenced and politically disarmed conservative opposition, even to the scale of allowing demographic and cultural replacement on a nation level?

online.wsj.com/news/articles/Australia_Grows_More_Asian

SYDNEY—A resources boom and growing immigration from Asia are reshaping Australia's population.

Mandarin overtook Italian as the second most popular language spoken at home, after English, figures from the 2011 census published Thursday showed.

Data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics showed that the resource-rich regions of Western Australia and Queensland both recorded double-digit population growth over the past five years, more than double that of Australia's most populous state, New South Wales, and sharply outstripping the national average of 8.3%.

Asians accounted for the biggest jump in immigration to Australia in terms of ethnicity, with Indian and Chinese the fastest-growing groups. The census showed that around one in four of the 21.5 million people surveyed in the census last year was born outside Australia, compared with 22% a decade ago. Of those, a third was born in Asia, a sharp increase from 24% in 2006.

Meanwhile, the proportion of European migrants has fallen from more than half of arrivals a decade ago to 40% last year. The U.K. remains the leading country of origin for Australia's overseas-born population at 21%, including more than a quarter of long-standing migrants.

A woman browses Greek merchandise in Oakleigh, a suburb of Melbourne, Australia. The country's latest census data show that Australia's Greek-born population declined by 33,300. Bloomberg News

"We're in the midst of a huge mining boom and we have many young people come here to study to go to university," said Andrew Henderson, executive director of the ABS. "These [factors] are giving us a lot more exposure in Asia."

Australia's population is becoming more Asian in origin at a time when its economy has grown dependent on countries like China. But the country, which maintains strict immigration regulations, still struggles to attract enough workers for its mining industry, although states rich in resources showed the fastest rates of population growth in the census.

At a local level, nine of the 10 largest population increases in local government areas were in Western Australia, the country's mining heartland, the data showed. The largest increase was in the area of East Pilbara, where mining giants Rio Tinto RIO.AU -0.96% PLC, BHP Billiton Ltd. BHP -0.29% and Fortescue Metals Group Ltd. are investing billions of dollars to build up iron ore mining operations. The population there jumped 83% between 2006 and 2011 to 11,950 people, the census shows.

"These regional populations traditionally would have been associated with population decrease, and the mining boom has completely changed that," said Mr. Henderson.

The shift in population to Western Australia is likely even greater than numbers show, as the statistics don't include the controversial fly-in, fly-out workers—employees who are brought in for brief periods rather than permanently relocated by mining companies to build and operate their mines in isolated areas.

"The population and service implications of resource and mineral activities is really quite profound but this hasn't really been reflected in the census data," said Mr. Henderson. "Building a mine can require between four to five times as many people as operating it."

Exploding population growth in some areas has also put growing pressure on housing, driving a sharp rise in rents relative to average incomes. The overall national median weekly income rose 24% to 577 Australian dollars (US$586) in 2011, up from A$466 in 2006, while the median household weekly rent rose by almost half to A$285 from A$191, the data showed. In Western Australia the trend was even more pronounced: weekly rent in the state surged by more than three-quarters to A$300 a week—A$320 in its capital, Perth—while weekly incomes in the state rose around a third to A$662.

The largest decreases in migrant populations were among Greeks and Italians, which fell by 33,300 and 16,500 respectively, as low migration levels failed to replenish existing communities, many of whom originally arrived following the devastation wreaked across Europe in World War II.

Mr. Henderson said the changes reflect Australia's growing economic status in Asia and the long-term effects of its education ties in the region.

"After World War II, a lot of people from Europe came here in search of a better life," he said. "Now Australia is attracting workers from countries where there might not be as many opportunities."


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Mathew wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 8:02pm:

Below is an article that describes the "changing face" of Australia. It openly states that Australia is being dramatically transformed into that of Asian lineage.

Is it?  Sure could have fooled me.  Parliament is still overwhelming white, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic descendants.  Our laws derive still from the European canon.  Our multicultural society is still overwhelmingly European in character.  Asian descended Australians still make up less than ~5% of the population.

Why do you have a problem with Australian citizens who are of Asian descent?   Are you a racist?   ::)

And ... ?    :-/

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

Are you a racist?

A proud one, I'm guessing.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

Is it?  Sure could have fooled me.  Parliament is still overwhelming white, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic descendants.  Our laws derive still from the European canon.  Our multicultural society is still overwhelmingly European in character.  Asian descended Australians still make up less than ~5% of the population. Why do you have a problem with Australian citizens who are of Asian descent?   Are you a racist?   ::)

Are there any important differences between Asians and Europeans?

If not - why call them Asians and Europeans?

If yes - why pretend they do not matter?

Asian societies are evidently different from European ones. Are you going to pretend to be blind and deaf and stupid just to be PC??

Soren wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 9:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:45pm: Is it?  Sure could have fooled me.  Parliament is still overwhelming white, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic descendants.  Our laws derive still from the European canon.  Our multicultural society is still overwhelmingly European in character.  Asian descended Australians still make up less than ~5% of the population. Why do you have a problem with Australian citizens who are of Asian descent?   Are you a racist?   ::) Are there any important differences between Asians and Europeans? If not - why call them Asians and Europeans? If yes - why pretend they do not matter? Asian societies are evidently different from European ones. Are you going to pretend to be blind and deaf and stupid just to be PC??

Another irrational, ignorant rant from Soren that adds nothing to the debate.

Same old same old.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 9:58pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 9:55pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:45pm: Is it?  Sure could have fooled me.  Parliament is still overwhelming white, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic descendants.  Our laws derive still from the European canon.  Our multicultural society is still overwhelmingly European in character.  Asian descended Australians still make up less than ~5% of the population. Why do you have a problem with Australian citizens who are of Asian descent?   Are you a racist?   ::) Are there any important differences between Asians and Europeans? If not - why call them Asians and Europeans? If yes - why pretend they do not matter? Asian societies are evidently different from European ones. Are you going to pretend to be blind and deaf and stupid just to be PC?? Another irrational, ignorant rant from Soren that adds nothing to the debate. Same old same old.

Thank you for declaring utter cluelessness. If you had any ideas to counter mine, you would have offered them. But you are devoid, as always. You are a clueless moron. Offering empty puffery is all you can dredge up from the shallows of what passes for your mind.

Soren wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 9:58pm: Soren wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 9:55pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:45pm: Is it?  Sure could have fooled me.  Parliament is still overwhelming white, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic descendants.  Our laws derive still from the European canon.  Our multicultural society is still overwhelmingly European in character.  Asian descended Australians still make up less than ~5% of the population. Why do you have a problem with Australian citizens who are of Asian descent?   Are you a racist?   ::) Are there any important differences between Asians and Europeans? If not - why call them Asians and Europeans? If yes - why pretend they do not matter? Asian societies are evidently different from European ones. Are you going to pretend to be blind and deaf and stupid just to be PC?? Another irrational, ignorant rant from Soren that adds nothing to the debate. Same old same old. Thank you for declaring utter cluelessness. If you had any ideas to counter mine, you would have offered them. But you are devoid, as always. You are a clueless moron. Offering empty puffery is all you can dredge up from the shallows of what passes for your mind.

Followed by abuse.

Ignorant racists are so easy to expose.

Next  ...

It is glaringly obvious to all that you have not offered anything remotely resembling an actual point, bozo. You are not even shallow. Mentally, you are utterly negligible.


You don't even comprehend what I mean by asking you to make a coherent point to counter mine.

Soren wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:19pm:

It is glaringly obvious to all that you have not offered anything remotely resembling an actual point, bozo. You are not even shallow. Mentally, you are utterly negligible. You don't even comprehend what I mean by asking you to make a coherent point to counter mine.

And he keeps digging his little hole.

What is it about brown people that scares you, Soren, you pathetic little bugger?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

Mathew wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 8:02pm: Below is an article that describes the "changing face" of Australia. It openly states that Australia is being dramatically transformed into that of Asian lineage. Is it?  Sure could have fooled me.  Parliament is still overwhelming white, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic descendants.  Our laws derive still from the European canon.  Our multicultural society is still overwhelmingly European in character.  Asian descended Australians still make up less than ~5% of the population. Why do you have a problem with Australian citizens who are of Asian descent?   Are you a racist?   ::)

Yet for the last several months in the other thread you have been insisting that we are all the same. Now you highlight the differences when is suits you. You are useless.

I can see you are yearning to be taken seriously but it's not going to happen, Thicko.

You are an idiot and I am afraid that's going to be your station for this earthly life. The rest of creation is given the freedom to transcend their station at birth but you are the exception: you have chosen to remain the idiot among us for this round of earthly existence. smacking heroic of you, bozo.


See if you can prove me wrong by actually addressing the point I made here:


Soren wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 9:55pm:

Are there any important differences between Asians and Europeans? If not - why call them Asians and Europeans? If yes - why pretend they do not matter? Asian societies are evidently different from European ones. Are you going to pretend to be blind and deaf and stupid just to be PC??

Try to focus. Let's see if you can.

(you can't. Like all cornered morons, you will slip and slide and grin and avoid the point.
That's why you are a moron.)

Any anthropologist will tell you that there is greater genetic diversity within racial groups than there is between them. So your argument is moot.

Soren wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:36pm:

I can see you are yearning to be taken seriously but it's not going to happen, Thicko. You are an idiot and I am afraid that's going to be your station for this earthly life. The rest of creation is given the freedom to transcend their station at birth but you are the exception: you have chosen to remain the idiot among us for this round of earthly existence. smacking heroic of you, bozo. See if you can prove me wrong by actually addressing the point I made here: Soren wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 9:55pm: Are there any important differences between Asians and Europeans? If not - why call them Asians and Europeans? If yes - why pretend they do not matter? Asian societies are evidently different from European ones. Are you going to pretend to be blind and deaf and stupid just to be PC?? Try to focus. Let's see if you can. (you can't. Like all cornered morons, you will slip and slide and grin and avoid the point. That's why you are a moron.)

You didn't answer my question.

"What is it about brown people that scares you, Soren, you pathetic little bugger?"

Well?

ian wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:39pm:

Any anthropologist will tell you that there is greater genetic diversity within racial groups than there is between them. So your argument is moot.

"argument"   ?

Soren has irrational bigotry and racism, fueled by ignorance and misinformation.

To suggest he has anything close to an argument is extremely generous.

Soren wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 9:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:45pm: Is it?  Sure could have fooled me.  Parliament is still overwhelming white, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic descendants.  Our laws derive still from the European canon.  Our multicultural society is still overwhelmingly European in character.  Asian descended Australians still make up less than ~5% of the population. Why do you have a problem with Australian citizens who are of Asian descent?   Are you a racist?   ::) Are there any important differences between Asians and Europeans? If not - why call them Asians and Europeans? If yes - why pretend they do not matter? Asian societies are evidently different from European ones. Are you going to pretend to be blind and deaf and stupid just to be PC??

Asian societies are different to European ones, Soren, no doubt about it.  However, all societies share common values and beliefs.  As this rant was directed specifically towards Australians of Asian descent perhaps you should ask the original poster what his problem is with them?  I cannot answer for him but as far as I am concerned, I have no problems with them. Do you?  If so, why?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:36pm:

Asian societies are different to European ones, Soren, no doubt about it.  However, all societies share common values and beliefs.  As this rant was directed specifically towards Australians of Asian descent perhaps you should ask the original poster what his problem is with them?  I cannot answer for him but as far as I am concerned, I have no problems with them. Do you?  If so, why?

What are the common values shared by all societies? Things to do with biology -not society. They all want to live, eat, sh!t, bugger, and have kids who can live, eat, sh!t, bugger and have kids to carry on the tradition in peace - as do ants.

Society is about ideas. And there is a great divergence about the idea of what makes a good society - hence the bankruptcy of multiculturalism.

There is no common ground about the value of individuals, the nature of citizenship, community, inclusion and exclusion, ethical standards and values  and all the rest of what society is about.


There have been war for centuries precisely because the lack of shared values about what makes a good society.

As a closet racist- ya know, one of those people who would prefer to think they weren't a racist but probably is- I can confirm the swamping issue is scary. HEY WHY DON'T YOU JUST ALL CALL ME JOHN HOWARD?

Seriously, but: the world turns and globalisation is a b%$#&#d !!

Isn't it democracy that is about ideas? Perhaps you mean society is an idea and further it is an idea that doesn't exist like m thatcher said!

This is a question of memes not genes. Different cultures follow different paradigms. You would have to attempt to analyze them individually in context to draw any empirical conclusions. It is too complex a subject to be treated in 'isms'.

Soren wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 8:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 11:36pm: Asian societies are different to European ones, Soren, no doubt about it.  However, all societies share common values and beliefs.  As this rant was directed specifically towards Australians of Asian descent perhaps you should ask the original poster what his problem is with them?  I cannot answer for him but as far as I am concerned, I have no problems with them. Do you?  If so, why? What are the common values shared by all societies?

Many things, Soren.

Respect for elders; respect for the rule of law; the outlawing of violence/theft/etc. Protection of the young, are a few of them.

Can you name a society that doesn't have those values, Soren?


Quote:

There have been war for centuries precisely because the lack of shared values about what makes a good society.

Most wars are over resources and politics, rarely values as such, Soren.  Only a simpleton like George W. Bush could declare that Islamists hate Western society because they are "jealous of our freedoms".  Of course, in reality what Islamists hate is Western meddling in Islamic society and changing people from the "one true path" that they (the Islamists) have declared in their takfiri way as the only acceptable one.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 11:27pm:

Most wars are over resources and politics, rarely values as such, Soren.

Not being a simpleton nor wedded to binary thought, I can accept that values are a component in war. 

No one wanted the values of Nazism or that of racist Imperial Japan, people as in "the people", have fought against the values of communism and one of the great wars of the modern era, the American Civil War was fought on values. 

DL what don't you understand about the use of the word "most" in Brian's statement?   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Datalife wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 11:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 11:27pm: Most wars are over resources and politics, rarely values as such, Soren.  Not being a simpleton nor wedded to binary thought, I can accept that values are a component in war.  No one wanted the values of Nazism or that of racist Imperial Japan, people as in "the people", have fought against the values of communism and one of the great wars of the modern era, the American Civil War was fought on values.

Admittedly people were happy for German nazi values or Imperial Japans or communist Russias values to remain in the country of origin. It was the spreading through other countries we were opposed to so even those were resources and politics.

Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would.

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would.

And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because?

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 11:52am: Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would. And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because?

Because people who aren't Asian will become second class citizens. Also there will probably be massive social disturbance as a result.

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:35pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 11:52am: Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would. And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because? Because people who aren't Asian will become second class citizens. Also there will probably be massive social disturbance as a result.

Will they?  Will there?

You have a crystal ball?

Why should these events occur?

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:45pm: |dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:35pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 11:52am: Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would. And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because? Because people who aren't Asian will become second class citizens. Also there will probably be massive social disturbance as a result. Will they?  Will there? You have a crystal ball? Why should these events occur?

So all the Aussies are going to sit around why China takes over? Maybe you need a crystal ball.

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 11:52am: Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would. And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because?

Because Asian values are different to Western values. Do you want to debate that?

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:35pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 11:52am: Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would. And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because? Because Asian values are different to Western values. Do you want to debate that?

What's wrong with "different"?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:56pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 6:22pm: |dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:35pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 11:52am: Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would. And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because? Because Asian values are different to Western values. Do you want to debate that? What's wrong with "different"?

What's wrong with "same"?

Why allow economics to have such a large influence in the cultural life of a people?

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 6:56pm: Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 6:22pm: |dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:35pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 11:52am: Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would. And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because? Because Asian values are different to Western values. Do you want to debate that? What's wrong with "different"? What's wrong with "same"? Why allow economics to have such a large influence in the cultural life of a people?

Answering a question with a question (two!).  Nice.

Let's try again.

What's wrong with "different"?

Eating cats and dogs isn't a cultural value I would want here. And good luck trying to convince Australians it's okay with trendy slogans like diversity and tolerance.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:07pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 7:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 6:56pm: Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 6:22pm: |dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:35pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 11:52am: Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would. And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because? Because Asian values are different to Western values. Do you want to debate that? What's wrong with "different"? What's wrong with "same"? Why allow economics to have such a large influence in the cultural life of a people? Answering a question with a question (two!).  Nice. Let's try again. What's wrong with "different"?

Because "different" means moving away from the way it's been. Why would one need to justify staying the same? Surely one would have to justify becoming "different", as that is a committment to change, for which there must be some rationale.

Nice try though.

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 7:07pm: Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 7:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 6:56pm: Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 6:22pm: |dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:35pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 11:52am: Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would. And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because? Because Asian values are different to Western values. Do you want to debate that? What's wrong with "different"? What's wrong with "same"? Why allow economics to have such a large influence in the cultural life of a people? Answering a question with a question (two!).  Nice. Let's try again. What's wrong with "different"? Because "different" means moving away from the way it's been.

What's wrong with "moving away from the way it's been"?

Asian culture in general isn't worthy of being in Australia for starters.

Hindu- These are the types of people who put marks on their women's heads. Seems awfully primitive to me.
Islamics- Simply want to destroy everyone who's not like them.

Even the more culturally acceptable ones in the eastern parts, for instance, Japanese, tend not to migrate because Japan is doing great economically (#3 GDP global, was #2 until China very recently overthrew them). South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore are all developed and therefore nobody migrates.

So who migrates here:
Indonesians. These people are all Islamics. Some parts (Aceh) are more reactionary than the moderates in Java.

Indians. Hindus or Islamics. Nothing else comes from there. They are also probably the most isolationist people I have ever came across. Where I'm at, there are huge communities whom don't seem to have jobs (I imagine they expect men to do all the work in that backwards culture) and never seem to speak or even understand our language. I imagine just one or two of them do in each family, and they get all the foods etc to bring back to the rest. Completely unacceptable.

Chinese. Intent on buying out every business in Australia and sapping the nation's wealth to add to their own. They're capitalists and have been for a long time. Anyone with an even slightly nationalistic tendency hates them.

Filipinos. These guys are actually encouraged to move overseas and find jobs because their country is so underdeveloped. They are expected to learn English, move, and send money back home. Corruption is rife, crime is rife, and natural disasters occur frequently in that area (tectonic plates).

So ah, who exactly is a worthwhile addition to the nation from Asia? Nobody, am I right? Because they're either undeveloped, uncivilised, or both.
Face it, Australia picks up all the worst kind of trash from overseas. They're cowards running away from their situation back home and take for granted the better life they have here. They do nothing in return for the nation and are simply counter-productive.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 7:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 7:07pm: Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 7:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 6:56pm: Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 6:22pm: |dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:35pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 11:52am: Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would. And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because? Because Asian values are different to Western values. Do you want to debate that? What's wrong with "different"? What's wrong with "same"? Why allow economics to have such a large influence in the cultural life of a people? Answering a question with a question (two!).  Nice. Let's try again. What's wrong with "different"? Because "different" means moving away from the way it's been. What's wrong with "moving away from the way it's been"?

That depends on how "where it's been" compares to "where it's going" in terms of the relevant indicators.

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:49pm:

That depends on how "where it's been" compares to "where it's going" in terms of the relevant indicators.

So what scares you the most?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:52pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 7:49pm: That depends on how "where it's been" compares to "where it's going" in terms of the relevant indicators. So what scares you the most?

Is this a new line of questioning?

Xerxei wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:48pm:

Asian culture in general isn't worthy of being in Australia for starters. Hindu- These are the types of people who put marks on their women's heads. Seems awfully primitive to me. Islamics- Simply want to destroy everyone who's not like them. Even the more culturally acceptable ones in the eastern parts, for instance, Japanese, tend not to migrate because Japan is doing great economically (#3 GDP global, was #2 until China very recently overthrew them). South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore are all developed and therefore nobody migrates. So who migrates here: Indonesians. These people are all Islamics. Some parts (Aceh) are more reactionary than the moderates in Java. Indians. Hindus or Islamics. Nothing else comes from there. They are also probably the most isolationist people I have ever came across. Where I'm at, there are huge communities whom don't seem to have jobs (I imagine they expect men to do all the work in that backwards culture) and never seem to speak or even understand our language. I imagine just one or two of them do in each family, and they get all the foods etc to bring back to the rest. Completely unacceptable. Chinese. Intent on buying out every business in Australia and sapping the nation's wealth to add to their own. They're capitalists and have been for a long time. Anyone with an even slightly nationalistic tendency hates them. Filipinos. These guys are actually encouraged to move overseas and find jobs because their country is so underdeveloped. They are expected to learn English, move, and send money back home. Corruption is rife, crime is rife, and natural disasters occur frequently in that area (tectonic plates). So ah, who exactly is a worthwhile addition to the nation from Asia? Nobody, am I right? Because they're either undeveloped, uncivilised, or both. Face it, Australia picks up all the worst kind of trash from overseas. They're cowards running away from their situation back home and take for granted the better life they have here. They do nothing in return for the nation and are simply counter-productive.

Looks like Soren might lose his title.

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:16pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 3:54pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:45pm: |dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:35pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 11:52am: Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would. And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because? Because people who aren't Asian will become second class citizens. Also there will probably be massive social disturbance as a result. Will they?  Will there? You have a crystal ball? Why should these events occur? So all the Aussies are going to sit around why China takes over? Maybe you need a crystal ball.

I rather think that is the point.  With Australians whom are of Asian descent making up a minority of the population, how are they going to "take over"?   Moreover, why would China bother?

My question though, is what is the problem?  If all Australians, no matter what their descent are Australians, doesn't that mean that Australia remains Australian?

Or are you talking about something like racism?   :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:35pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 11:52am: Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would. And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because? Because Asian values are different to Western values. Do you want to debate that?

Are they?  How?  Would you care to demonstrate your claim in some way by providing a comparison between "Asian values" and "Western values"?

Of course, you'll have to first produce some sort of average set of values for the entire continent of Asia and the same for the entire "Western world" (defining that first, of course)...   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

Eating cats and dogs isn't a cultural value I would want here. And good luck trying to convince Australians it's okay with trendy slogans like diversity and tolerance.

Ever tried it?  Cat tastes like Chicken and Dog tastes like Beef.  Quite tasty too!   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Xerxei wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:48pm:

Asian culture in general isn't worthy of being in Australia for starters. Hindu- These are the types of people who put marks on their women's heads. Seems awfully primitive to me.

Actually, both genders wear the marks.  Your ignorance is showing.


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Islamics- Simply want to destroy everyone who's not like them.

Bvllshit.  Some Muslims may but most Muslims don't.  Your ignorance is showing again.   :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 7:20pm: Eating cats and dogs isn't a cultural value I would want here. And good luck trying to convince Australians it's okay with trendy slogans like diversity and tolerance. Ever tried it?  Cat tastes like Chicken and Dog tastes like Beef.  Quite tasty too!   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

No, and I never will. I could just imagine how they were slaughtered as well. Animal rights do not exist in many Asian countries. Funny how "progressives" turn a blind eye to this. Oh, that's right, it's a non-western country, so they could drop nukes on school kids and you'd excuse it somehow.

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 10:35am:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 5:16pm: |dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 3:54pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:45pm: |dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:35pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 11:52am: Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would. And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because? Because people who aren't Asian will become second class citizens. Also there will probably be massive social disturbance as a result. Will they?  Will there? You have a crystal ball? Why should these events occur? So all the Aussies are going to sit around why China takes over? Maybe you need a crystal ball. I rather think that is the point.  With Australians whom are of Asian descent making up a minority of the population, how are they going to "take over"?   Moreover, why would China bother? My question though, is what is the problem?  If all Australians, no matter what their descent are Australians, doesn't that mean that Australia remains Australian? Or are you talking about something like racism?

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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:12am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 10:45am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 7:20pm: Eating cats and dogs isn't a cultural value I would want here. And good luck trying to convince Australians it's okay with trendy slogans like diversity and tolerance. Ever tried it?  Cat tastes like Chicken and Dog tastes like Beef.  Quite tasty too!   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D No, and I never will. I could just imagine how they were slaughtered as well. Animal rights do not exist in many Asian countries. Funny how "progressives" turn a blind eye to this. Oh, that's right, it's a non-western country, so they could drop nukes on school kids and you'd excuse it somehow.

Enjoying your thatching?

Many Asian nations have animal rights but simply don't carry them to the extremes that many Western societies do.  Japan is an interesting case.  They allow slaughter of Dolphins and Porpoises and eat Whale meat (which is also delcious), creatures which are almost sacrosanct in the West but have very heavy laws on the treatment of domestic animals and pets.  Taiwan has similar laws but allows the eating of Dog, which are raised and slaughtered under some pretty strict rules.

Dogs and Cats are simply small mammals, nothing more.  What emotional attachment you put on them is your affair.  As long as their slaughter is humane, I don't have any problem with it.   Several Aboriginal tribes consider Cat a delicacy, which is where I've eaten it.  All I can say is animals for courses.   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:37am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 11:12am: |dev|null wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 10:45am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 7:20pm: Eating cats and dogs isn't a cultural value I would want here. And good luck trying to convince Australians it's okay with trendy slogans like diversity and tolerance. Ever tried it?  Cat tastes like Chicken and Dog tastes like Beef.  Quite tasty too!   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D No, and I never will. I could just imagine how they were slaughtered as well. Animal rights do not exist in many Asian countries. Funny how "progressives" turn a blind eye to this. Oh, that's right, it's a non-western country, so they could drop nukes on school kids and you'd excuse it somehow. Enjoying your thatching? Many Asian nations have animal rights but simply don't carry them to the extremes that many Western societies do.  Japan is an interesting case.  They allow slaughter of Dolphins and Porpoises and eat Whale meat (which is also delcious), creatures which are almost sacrosanct in the West but have very heavy laws on the treatment of domestic animals and pets.  Taiwan has similar laws but allows the eating of Dog, which are raised and slaughtered under some pretty strict rules. Dogs and Cats are simply small mammals, nothing more.  What emotional attachment you put on them is your affair.  As long as their slaughter is humane, I don't have any problem with it.   Several Aboriginal tribes consider Cat a delicacy, which is where I've eaten it.  All I can say is animals for courses.   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Well good luck trying to convince Australians to eat cat and dog. They wouldn't have a bar of it. For Australians, it's an instinctive revulsion. For Asians, not at all. Therein lies a cultural difference between the two.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Well good luck trying to convince Australians to eat cat and dog. They wouldn't have a bar of it. For Australians, it's an instinctive revulsion. For Asians, not at all. Therein lies a cultural difference between the two.

Completely missed the point.  I am not trying to convince Australians to eat cat or dog.  As far as I'm concerned, anybody can though, as long as they guarantee humane slaughter.   The reality is that already some Australians do eat cat or dog.  Therefore, it is a part of Australian culture (and the oldest one at that!).  So, your protests are rather feeble and misdirected.    :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:28am:

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Let the fool hang himself Greg.  It was a rhetorical question...  ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Going to answer my question, Sparky?   :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:53am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 11:42am: Well good luck trying to convince Australians to eat cat and dog. They wouldn't have a bar of it. For Australians, it's an instinctive revulsion. For Asians, not at all. Therein lies a cultural difference between the two. Completely missed the point.  I am not trying to convince Australians to eat cat or dog.  As far as I'm concerned, anybody can though, as long as they guarantee humane slaughter.   The reality is that already some Australians do eat cat or dog.  Therefore, it is a part of Australian culture (and the oldest one at that!).  So, your protests are rather feeble and misdirected.    :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

If any event or phenomena that occurs here can be "a part of our culture", then the word culture is meaningless. It either means something specific or doesn't mean anything at all.

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 12:00pm:

Going to answer my question, Sparky?   :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Did you ask a question?

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 10:35am:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 5:16pm: |dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 3:54pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:45pm: |dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:35pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 11:52am: Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would. And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because? Because people who aren't Asian will become second class citizens. Also there will probably be massive social disturbance as a result. Will they?  Will there? You have a crystal ball? Why should these events occur? So all the Aussies are going to sit around why China takes over? Maybe you need a crystal ball. I rather think that is the point.  With Australians whom are of Asian descent making up a minority of the population, how are they going to "take over"?   Moreover, why would China bother? My question though, is what is the problem?  If all Australians, no matter what their descent are Australians, doesn't that mean that Australia remains Australian? Or are you talking about something like racism?   :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

The world is racist. If Asian people have the numbers in Australia things will change to suit them. Maybe Australia will go down the drain as a result.

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 10:43am:

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 6:22pm: |dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:35pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 11:52am: Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would. And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because? Because Asian values are different to Western values. Do you want to debate that? Are they?  How?  Would you care to demonstrate your claim in some way by providing a comparison between "Asian values" and "Western values"? Of course, you'll have to first produce some sort of average set of values for the entire continent of Asia and the same for the entire "Western world" (defining that first, of course)...   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

I don't have to produce anything, there is no proof required to make such an observation. If you have lived in the world as a perceptive adult, the social divides between East and West are obvious. The logical flaw here is thinking that genes and memes are the same. Asians have had different values to Westerners; this is evident in a myriad of different facets of their society. If there was no difference, then Asians wouldn't bother coming here.

If you understand the world as a rational adult, you will realise that the only outcome from adding Asians to a Western society, will be a lowering of the standards of living for those Westerners already living there. That is because the only reason the Asians are coming here, is because their societies have lower social standards and they are conditioned to work as slave labour. They will be relatively better off in a Western economy, but at the same time they undermine it.

The fact that Asian behaviours can often be coupled with yellow skin and slanty eyes is just a convenient marker. There's no need to even go into the reasons why Asians act like Asians, it's just how they evolved in their environment with each other. To pretend that genetic stock doesn't have a relationship with its memes is pretty naive. Accepting that logical, rational fact isn't racism.

Racism is vilifying a particular group for the sake of irrational hatred. Making observations about other genetic material and its accompanying cultural values in relation to how interacting with it might affect your own, is just being realistic.

I just wonder what kind of vested interests would seek to confuse the two.

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 3:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 10:43am: Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 6:22pm: |dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:35pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 11:52am: Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would. And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because? Because Asian values are different to Western values. Do you want to debate that? Are they?  How?  Would you care to demonstrate your claim in some way by providing a comparison between "Asian values" and "Western values"? Of course, you'll have to first produce some sort of average set of values for the entire continent of Asia and the same for the entire "Western world" (defining that first, of course)...   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D I don't have to produce anything, there is no proof required to make such an observation.

Mistaking observation for opinion?  You're voicing an opinion, not an observation.  So, why are you making this opinion known?  ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D


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If you have lived in the world as a perceptive adult, the social divides between East and West are obvious.

Are they?  I've lived in Asian countries.  Never noticed much difference in how people think.


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The logical flaw here is thinking that genes and memes are the same. Asians have had different values to Westerners; this is evident in a myriad of different facets of their society. If there was no difference, then Asians wouldn't bother coming here.

Name those values!  Oh, I've already asked that and you've refused, preferring opinion over facts.  How unsurprising!   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D


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If you understand the world as a rational adult, you will realise that the only outcome from adding Asians to a Western society, will be a lowering of the standards of living for those Westerners already living there. That is because the only reason the Asians are coming here, is because their societies have lower social standards and they are conditioned to work as slave labour. They will be relatively better off in a Western economy, but at the same time they undermine it.

Wow!  What a great rationalisation for your racism!  Fool!

So, someone from Japan, emigrating to Australia would lower Australia's socio-economic standards, despite coming from a nation with a much higher ranking in the OECD than Australia?   What about from Taiwan?  Singapore?  Hong Kong?  South Korea?

The reality is that you are mistaking economics for social matters.  Many Asians live in poverty without a doubt that is because of lack of opportunity, not because they are inherently somehow worse than any Australian.   All you're doing is trying hide your racist views behind a silly rationalisation!   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sounds like some of you people want Australia to become Asian.

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:15pm:

Sounds like some of you people want Australia to become Asian.

And the problem with that is?

Why don't you tell us why you are afraid of it?  Put it out in the open, rather than continually dancing around it!   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 4:15pm: Sounds like some of you people want Australia to become Asian. And the problem with that is?Why didn't you ask earlier. Asians aren't my people. I'm an Aussie and they are my people. My family is, my culture is, most of my friends are, my history is. Except for the Vietnamese bloke next door ( who is a gem) I don't know any. Asians aren't the easiest people to get to know. You'll find that's how most humans are. You need to get out more. Why don't you tell us why you are afraid of it?  Put it out in the open, rather than continually dancing around it!   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:24pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 4:20pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 4:15pm: Sounds like some of you people want Australia to become Asian. And the problem with that is?Why didn't you ask earlier. Asians aren't my people. I'm an Aussie and they are my people. My family is, my culture is, most of my friends are, my history is. Except for the Vietnamese bloke next door ( who is a gem) I don't know any. Asians aren't the easiest people to get to know. You'll find that's how most humans are. You need to get out more. Why don't you tell us why you are afraid of it?  Put it out in the open, rather than continually dancing around it!   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

?Why didn't you ask earlier. Asians aren't my people. I'm an Aussie and they are my people. My family is, my culture is, most of my friends are, my history is. Except for the Vietnamese bloke next door ( who is a gem) I don't know any. Asians aren't the easiest people to get to know. You'll find that's how most humans are. You need to get out more.

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:05pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 3:57pm: |dev|null wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 10:43am: Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 6:22pm: |dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:35pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 11:52am: Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would. And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because? Because Asian values are different to Western values. Do you want to debate that? Are they?  How?  Would you care to demonstrate your claim in some way by providing a comparison between "Asian values" and "Western values"? Of course, you'll have to first produce some sort of average set of values for the entire continent of Asia and the same for the entire "Western world" (defining that first, of course)...   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D I don't have to produce anything, there is no proof required to make such an observation. Mistaking observation for opinion?  You're voicing an opinion, not an observation.  So, why are you making this opinion known?  ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D Quote: If you have lived in the world as a perceptive adult, the social divides between East and West are obvious. Are they?  I've lived in Asian countries.  Never noticed much difference in how people think. [quote] The logical flaw here is thinking that genes and memes are the same. Asians have had different values to Westerners; this is evident in a myriad of different facets of their society. If there was no difference, then Asians wouldn't bother coming here.

Name those values!  Oh, I've already asked that and you've refused, preferring opinion over facts.  How unsurprising!   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D


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If you understand the world as a rational adult, you will realise that the only outcome from adding Asians to a Western society, will be a lowering of the standards of living for those Westerners already living there. That is because the only reason the Asians are coming here, is because their societies have lower social standards and they are conditioned to work as slave labour. They will be relatively better off in a Western economy, but at the same time they undermine it.

Wow!  What a great rationalisation for your racism!  Fool!

So, someone from Japan, emigrating to Australia would lower Australia's socio-economic standards, despite coming from a nation with a much higher ranking in the OECD than Australia?   What about from Taiwan?  Singapore?  Hong Kong?  South Korea?

The reality is that you are mistaking economics for social matters.  Many Asians live in poverty without a doubt that is because of lack of opportunity, not because they are inherently somehow worse than any Australian.   All you're doing is trying hide your racist views behind a silly rationalisation!   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D[/quote]

The usual indicators used for comparison are social indicators of how people treat each other. The introduction of basic human rights, concepts such as the rule of law, justice being seen to be done, tackling corruption, equal rights for women, stopping exploitation of children, fair work laws, fighting nepotism etc. Alien concepts before contact with the West.

The West values those things, which is why the Asians want to go there. But they bring their behaviours to the West with them, slowly undermining it. It's just a sad fact of reality, there are differences in the outcomes that various groups achieved. Asians for the most part, at least in relatively recent history, have had lower social standards across the board.

This is a problem I have with Asians. They have total disrespect for nature. They'll eat everything. Hot Breathe will undoubtedly say- but look what the English did to Australia. Well that is correct , but Australia has turned a corner in that respect. They also breed without any plan. Every one of their countries is over populated. Australia will fill up and turn into a 3rd world mess like most of Asia is.

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:37pm:

This is a problem I have with Asians. They have total disrespect for nature. They'll eat everything. Hot Breathe will undoubtedly say- but look what the English did to Australia. Well that is correct , but Australia has turned a corner in that respect. They also breed without any plan. Every one of their countries is over populated. Australia will fill up and turn into a 3rd world mess like most of Asia is.

That is actually racism, keep it about standards. Asians will tolerate bad conditions, they can be kept there almost perpetually. Westerners want quality of life. Western nations have engineered their societies around a set of values that promote fairness and quality of life for the individual. Why would the West want to erode what they have built for a temporary supply of cheap labour?

The only reason we live in this Orwellian PC society, where facts can be so blatantly vilified as "isms", is to protect the cheap labour interests of the corporations from the backlash of the populations of the host nation states. Run it into the ground, then pack up and go off to the next boom state. As long as we can keep the idiots distracted with semantics, it's business as usual. ::)

I don't think that's racism. Check out a Japanese or Chinese market place.

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

I don't think that's racism.

Well, it is.

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:37pm:

This is a problem I have with Asians. They have total disrespect for nature. They'll eat everything. Hot Breathe will undoubtedly say- but look what the English did to Australia. Well that is correct , but Australia has turned a corner in that respect. They also breed without any plan. Every one of their countries is over populated. Australia will fill up and turn into a 3rd world mess like most of Asia is.

1. Many Asian countries (and remember we are discussing a VAST continent) have quite draconian conservation laws.  Look at the Chinese laws on the Panda for example!  So, making a blanket statement like that is just pure racism.

2. Some Asian countries are over-populated, many aren't.  Japan and China are both facing rapidly aging populations.  India will be in the next few generations.  Again, this is pure racism.   The world is changing, the emphasis is less and less on large families right across Asia, with rising prosperity there is no need for them.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:06pm: I don't think that's racism. Well, it is.

So it's wrong to say many Asian countries eat most of what their nature offers. You people can't handle facts when they get in the way of your PC sensibilities.

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:08pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:06pm: I don't think that's racism. Well, it is. So it's wrong to say many Asian countries eat most of what their nature offers. You people can't handle facts when they get in the way of your PC sensibilities.

Here's what you said:

"This is a problem I have with Asians. They have total disrespect for nature. They'll eat everything."

That's a text book example of racism.

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:14pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 4:37pm: This is a problem I have with Asians. They have total disrespect for nature. They'll eat everything. Hot Breathe will undoubtedly say- but look what the English did to Australia. Well that is correct , but Australia has turned a corner in that respect. They also breed without any plan. Every one of their countries is over populated. Australia will fill up and turn into a 3rd world mess like most of Asia is. 1. Many Asian countries (and remember we are discussing a VAST continent) have quite draconian conservation laws.  Look at the Chinese laws on the Panda for example!  So, making a blanket statement like that is just pure racism. 2. Some Asian countries are over-populated, many aren't.  Japan and China are both facing rapidly aging populations.  India will be in the next few generations.  Again, this is pure racism.   The world is changing, the emphasis is less and less on large families right across Asia, with rising prosperity there is no need for them.

I'm just trying to think of an Asian country that isn't horribly over populated. Probably Singapore and Malaysia. Laos I agree. Mongolia yes. China, Japan, India, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia, Phillipines, Bangadesh, Pakistan. The subcontinent is amazing over populated as is southern and south east asia. Why are you all getting upset about fact?

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:15pm:

So it's wrong to say many Asian countries eat most of what their nature offers. You people can't handle facts when they get in the way of your PC sensibilities.

No, its wrong to say ALL Asian countries eat most of what their nature offers and say it in a manner that implies this is somehow wrong as you did when you claimed:

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They have total disrespect for nature. They'll eat everything.

I note that you are now retreating from that bald statement and qualifying your views.   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:18pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:08pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:06pm: I don't think that's racism. Well, it is. So it's wrong to say many Asian countries eat most of what their nature offers. You people can't handle facts when they get in the way of your PC sensibilities. Here's what you said: "This is a problem I have with Asians. They have total disrespect for nature. They'll eat everything." That's a text book example of racism.

I'll take the  the sub continent out of that. Eastern , southern and south east asia will eat anything that's edible.

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:18pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:08pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:06pm: I don't think that's racism. Well, it is. So it's wrong to say many Asian countries eat most of what their nature offers. You people can't handle facts when they get in the way of your PC sensibilities. Here's what you said: "This is a problem I have with Asians. They have total disrespect for nature. They'll eat everything." That's a text book example of racism. I'll take the  the sub continent out of that. Eastern , southern and south east asia will eat anything that's edible.

Still racism.

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:08pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:06pm: I don't think that's racism. Well, it is. So it's wrong to say many Asian countries eat most of what their nature offers. You people can't handle facts when they get in the way of your PC sensibilities.

What you meant is that one would think that after a period of time spent subsisting on low quality food, that people would seek out more nourishing and palatable fare. One would think that the human suffering of perpetual poverty on such a vast scale would bring about some humane or rational response to mitigate that misery. One would then have to question the quality of the individuals produced by such a morass and the inherent risks in exposing ourselves to them on a large scale.

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:08pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:06pm: I don't think that's racism. Well, it is. So it's wrong to say many Asian countries eat most of what their nature offers. You people can't handle facts when they get in the way of your PC sensibilities. What you meant is that one would think that after a period of time spent subsisting on low quality food, that people would seek out more nourishing and palatable fare. One would think that the human suffering of perpetual poverty on such a vast scale would bring about some humane or rational response to mitigate that misery. One would then have to question the quality of the individuals produced by such a morass and the inherent risks in exposing ourselves to them on a large scale.

I do question some Asian behaviours. I don't understand having 10 children when you can't feed them. I question having raw sewerage flowing down a gutter. The lack of planning in most of Asia is a concern. I believe a lot of it is cultural. I'm sure these differences would have an amazing impact on Australian society. You were talking about this before.

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:30pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:08pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:06pm: I don't think that's racism. Well, it is. So it's wrong to say many Asian countries eat most of what their nature offers. You people can't handle facts when they get in the way of your PC sensibilities. What you meant is that one would think that after a period of time spent subsisting on low quality food, that people would seek out more nourishing and palatable fare. One would think that the human suffering of perpetual poverty on such a vast scale would bring about some humane or rational response to mitigate that misery. One would then have to question the quality of the individuals produced by such a morass and the inherent risks in exposing ourselves to them on a large scale. I do question some Asian behaviours. I don't understand having 10 children when you can't feed them. I question having raw sewerage flowing down a gutter. The lack of planning in most of Asia is a concern. I believe a lot of it is cultural. I'm sure these differences would have an amazing impact on Australian society. You were talking about this before.

There is a saying about the lobster never noticing the pot getting warming until it's too late. The narratives for addressing this have been effectively emasculated by corporate interests, a compliant media and corrupt politicians. This was done to disenfranchise the populations of nation states of their labour and resources. The fruits of which have all been privately hoarded for the few. Letting Asians in was scraping the bottom of the barrel, running the farm into the ground then selling it off.

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 6:01pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:37pm: Winston Smith wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:30pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:08pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 5:06pm: I don't think that's racism. Well, it is. So it's wrong to say many Asian countries eat most of what their nature offers. You people can't handle facts when they get in the way of your PC sensibilities. What you meant is that one would think that after a period of time spent subsisting on low quality food, that people would seek out more nourishing and palatable fare. One would think that the human suffering of perpetual poverty on such a vast scale would bring about some humane or rational response to mitigate that misery. One would then have to question the quality of the individuals produced by such a morass and the inherent risks in exposing ourselves to them on a large scale. I do question some Asian behaviours. I don't understand having 10 children when you can't feed them. I question having raw sewerage flowing down a gutter. The lack of planning in most of Asia is a concern. I believe a lot of it is cultural. I'm sure these differences would have an amazing impact on Australian society. You were talking about this before. There is a saying about the lobster never noticing the pot getting warming until it's too late. The narratives for addressing this have been effectively emasculated by corporate interests, a compliant media and corrupt politicians. This was done to disenfranchise the populations of nation states of their labour and resources. The fruits of which have all been privately hoarded for the few. Letting Asians in was scraping the bottom of the barrel, running the farm into the ground then selling it off.

The aborigines wouldn't like an Asian takeover. What do you think of that?

ian wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:39pm:

Any anthropologist will tell you that there is greater genetic diversity within racial groups than there is between them. So your argument is moot.

"moot"? I think that statement you just made was pretty moot as this article is discussing the opposition to Australia being irreversibly, demographically altered in just decades, which is not strictly a racial thing, but obviously a cultural issue.

But I wonder how it would go down if you told African Americans or Aborigines not to bother preserving or even ACKNOWLEDGING their culture and heritage because there's "no such thing as race", or to tell Israeli Jews (or even Palestinians) that Race is just a social construct , because the obvious physical differences due to geographic adaptation for over 40,000 years on different continents is just a trivial silly thing that should be discarded in preference for a modern controversial government enforced assimilation experiment called the "melting pot", where everyone can instead look the same. yay! Who would not greet this with open arms for their entire nations? Only an evil racist monster who wants to murder another 6 million Jews and is holding back the natural progression and evolution of mankind.
This is what the average leftist believes. Its mind blowing really

If you want to claim that race doesn't exist even though this is a cultural issue (Do you believe in culture? its a social construct but very real) then why is it nobody is denying that blacks have superior lower body strength and EXCEL in all running competitions, basketball etc, or that east Asians and Ashkenazi Jews have excellent IQs? Of COURSE leftists dont vehemently deny this, because its the warm fuzzy feeling received from the indoctrination. But when it comes to the most basic human rights, and fundamental self-determination of a very distinguishable Australian Anglo-celtic ethnic group, who have established a culture and heritage over 200 years, known today as Australia, then liberals revert to "race doesnt exist" or "the very proud natives lived here before you so paybacks a bitch!".

Quite funny how people bicker on these sites like Children. I have to admit though, these leftists take this very cosy reality-denying moral highground and just accuse people of "racism" using political correctness to stunt a debate which is located in the section "Multiculturalism and Race". Why dont you assume for a moment that we're not all children, and nobodies going "um mum mum im telling the teacher on you!" and actually address the points? Seriously, I dont CARE if im labeled a racist. Do Leftists really believe that single word is capable of just shutting up real opposition to an actual controversial nation-altering experiment?  oh wait, it actually does. Very sad indeed

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 6:14pm:

The aborigines wouldn't like an Asian takeover. What do you think of that?

Couldn't have been much worse after you consider what white people did to them....   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Mathew wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 3:17pm:

ian wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 10:39pm: Any anthropologist will tell you that there is greater genetic diversity within racial groups than there is between them. So your argument is moot. "moot"? I think that statement you just made was pretty moot as this article is discussing the opposition to Australia being irreversibly, demographically altered in just decades, which is not strictly a racial thing, but obviously a cultural issue. But I wonder how it would go down if you told African Americans or Aborigines not to bother preserving or even ACKNOWLEDGING their culture and heritage because there's "no such thing as race", or to tell Israeli Jews (or even Palestinians) that Race is just a social construct , because the obvious physical differences due to geographic adaptation for over 40,000 years on different continents is just a trivial silly thing that should be discarded in preference for a modern controversial government enforced assimilation experiment called the "melting pot", where everyone can instead look the same. yay! Who would not greet this with open arms for their entire nations? Only an evil racist monster who wants to murder another 6 million Jews and is holding back the natural progression and evolution of mankind. This is what the average leftist believes. Its mind blowing really If you want to claim that race doesn't exist even though this is a cultural issue (Do you believe in culture? its a social construct but very real) then why is it nobody is denying that blacks have superior lower body strength and EXCEL in all running competitions, basketball etc, or that east Asians and Ashkenazi Jews have excellent IQs? Of COURSE leftists dont vehemently deny this, because its the warm fuzzy feeling received from the indoctrination. But when it comes to the most basic human rights, and fundamental self-determination of a very distinguishable Australian Anglo-celtic ethnic group, who have established a culture and heritage over 200 years, known today as Australia, then liberals revert to "race doesnt exist" or "the very proud natives lived here before you so paybacks a bitch!". Quite funny how people bicker on these sites like Children. I have to admit though, these leftists take this very cosy reality-denying moral highground and just accuse people of "racism" using political correctness to stunt a debate which is located in the section "Multiculturalism and Race". Why dont you assume for a moment that we're not all children, and nobodies going "um mum mum im telling the teacher on you!" and actually address the points? Seriously, I dont CARE if im labeled a racist. Do Leftists really believe that single word is capable of just shutting up real opposition to an actual controversial nation-altering experiment?  oh wait, it actually does. Very sad indeed

You're pulling the usual racist's trick of confusing ethnicity and culture for the concept of "race".  Race is about genetic differences which are, as mentioned minor between the different human groups, not sufficient to sustain the socially constructed concept of "race" as racists use it.   Effectively there is primarily only superficial physical differences between the various races.  A black person from Africa can interbreed with a white person from Europe, a white person from Europe can interbreed with an Asian person from Asia and so on and so on.   The emphasis that racists place on those physical differences is what makes the concept of race.  Genetics disproves it.  We are all descended from Africans anyway.    :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 6:14pm: The aborigines wouldn't like an Asian takeover. What do you think of that? Couldn't have been much worse after you consider what white people did to them....   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

>"race doesnt exist"
>Cant be as bad as what those evil white people did to them

You must be a troll. I find it hard to believe you genuinely believe the contradictory things you're saying. God it must be nice to be that ignorant. You can literally win any debate with your dynamic double-logic.

Mathew wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 3:56pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 3:44pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 6:14pm: The aborigines wouldn't like an Asian takeover. What do you think of that? Couldn't have been much worse after you consider what white people did to them....   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D >"race doesnt exist" >Cant be as bad as what those evil white people did to them You must be a troll. I find it hard to believe you genuinely believe the contradictory things you're saying. God it must be nice to be that ignorant. You can literally win any debate with your dynamic double-logic.

Nothing contradictory there.  Race as a concept as used by racists is a social construct.  It has no basis in science.  It is all about how you and others react to the superficial physical differences between individuals and groups, rather than there being any substantial difference.   

As for what white people did to the Aborigines, are you completely oblivious to the history of white colonisation of this continent?   :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 4:53pm:

Mathew wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 3:56pm: |dev|null wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 3:44pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 6:14pm: The aborigines wouldn't like an Asian takeover. What do you think of that? Couldn't have been much worse after you consider what white people did to them....   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D >"race doesnt exist" >Cant be as bad as what those evil white people did to them You must be a troll. I find it hard to believe you genuinely believe the contradictory things you're saying. God it must be nice to be that ignorant. You can literally win any debate with your dynamic double-logic. Nothing contradictory there.  Race as a concept as used by racists is a social construct.  It has no basis in science.  It is all about how you and others react to the superficial physical differences between individuals and groups, rather than there being any substantial difference.    As for what white people did to the Aborigines, are you completely oblivious to the history of white colonisation of this continent?   :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Are you even more oblivious to a recolonization that is occurring today, hence the topic of the thread. Another typical liberal double standard. Thankfully a rebuttal to your claim has already been created.

anglonz.blogspot.co.nz/2013/09/immigration-supposed-hypocrisy-of-post.html

Mathew wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 3:17pm:

ian wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 10:39pm: Any anthropologist will tell you that there is greater genetic diversity within racial groups than there is between them. So your argument is moot. "moot"? I think that statement you just made was pretty moot as this article is discussing the opposition to Australia being irreversibly, demographically altered in just decades, which is not strictly a racial thing, but obviously a cultural issue. But I wonder how it would go down if you told African Americans or Aborigines not to bother preserving or even ACKNOWLEDGING their culture and heritage because there's "no such thing as race", or to tell Israeli Jews (or even Palestinians) that Race is just a social construct , because the obvious physical differences due to geographic adaptation for over 40,000 years on different continents is just a trivial silly thing that should be discarded in preference for a modern controversial government enforced assimilation experiment called the "melting pot", where everyone can instead look the same. yay! Who would not greet this with open arms for their entire nations? Only an evil racist monster who wants to murder another 6 million Jews and is holding back the natural progression and evolution of mankind. This is what the average leftist believes. Its mind blowing really If you want to claim that race doesn't exist even though this is a cultural issue (Do you believe in culture? its a social construct but very real) then why is it nobody is denying that blacks have superior lower body strength and EXCEL in all running competitions, basketball etc, or that east Asians and Ashkenazi Jews have excellent IQs? Of COURSE leftists dont vehemently deny this, because its the warm fuzzy feeling received from the indoctrination. But when it comes to the most basic human rights, and fundamental self-determination of a very distinguishable Australian Anglo-celtic ethnic group, who have established a culture and heritage over 200 years, known today as Australia, then liberals revert to "race doesnt exist" or "the very proud natives lived here before you so paybacks a bitch!". Quite funny how people bicker on these sites like Children. I have to admit though, these leftists take this very cosy reality-denying moral highground and just accuse people of "racism" using political correctness to stunt a debate which is located in the section "Multiculturalism and Race". Why dont you assume for a moment that we're not all children, and nobodies going "um mum mum im telling the teacher on you!" and actually address the points? Seriously, I dont CARE if im labeled a racist. Do Leftists really believe that single word is capable of just shutting up real opposition to an actual controversial nation-altering experiment?  oh wait, it actually does. Very sad indeed

as Hot Breath states, race is a social construct. Anyone who has any understanding of biology and science knows this, it has nothng to with poiltical correctness. Your post shows you do not understand the difference between culture and racial grouping which is a basic if you even want to be in a debate like this. You have no point even though you think you do.

At some point we have to draw an arbitrary line between what we consider 'ours' and 'theirs'. Physical boundaries such as oceans or mountains and recognizable variations in race and culture are obvious starting points. Until we reach some kind of pan-human agreement on how to conduct ourselves, it will always have to be that way. Everything else is semantics.

Even though race isn't technically real in the sense that it's most often used, we cannot ignore the fact that we have percieved and acted upon it as being real for millenia. That will have had some effect on at least our evolutionary memology, which would almost certainly have had biological implications. Look at the caste system in india as a vestige of that.

Now race doesn't exist. That's a new one .

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

At some point we have to draw an arbitrary line between what we consider 'ours' and 'theirs'. Physical boundaries such as oceans or mountains and recognizable variations in race and culture are obvious starting points. Until we reach some kind of pan-human agreement on how to conduct ourselves, it will always have to be that way. Everything else is semantics. Even though race isn't technically real in the sense that it's most often used, we cannot ignore the fact that we have percieved and acted upon it as being real for millenia. That will have had some effect on at least our evolutionary memology, which would almost certainly have had biological implications. Look at the caste system in india as a vestige of that.

Anti-white leftists have no problem acknowledging ethnicity among non-white "minority" groups and protecting them with ethnic rights and representation, and avoiding ethnic cleansing and genocide of nations, but when it comes to the ethnic cleansing of western, white cultural/racial groups via mass immigration and forced assimilation policies, these basic human rights are ignored, and instead they argue that there is "no such thing" as anglo-celtic Australian majority, who shaped this post colonial nation. Why are they not entitled to simply preserve their nation, heritage and ethnicity?

To deny race exists is ridiculous, and stunts any kind of sensible discussion. Race and culture are entwined. If we lived in China for 200 years but remained fully of European descent, we would never be accepted as "chinese" this is just the reality of the world and nobody argues with China over this basic fact, but the policy and argument for western and European nations is that these European descended ethnic groups dont exist and therefore can be mass assimilated and ethnically cleansed and there would be no apparent consequences.

It appears we have some viewers from China. Interesting to see them listening in on Australians debating their own cultural and ethnic suicide and the conversion into an Asian Australia.

ian wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 6:44pm:

as Hot Breath states, race is a social construct.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Priceless.

It doesn't matter, we lost the battle and will be consigned to history. We were too divided and individualistic. We didn't have what it takes to continue living our vision. Now we are paying the ultimate price.

Hahaha, eat poo you stupid whites!

You are about to go extinct.

I wouldn't argue with these anti middle class white leftist radicals. They'll always be the enemy and will change their opinions just so they never agree with us. I despise them and what they've done to our country. When RACES and ethnic groups starting fighting one another they'll go silent and retire up in  Noosa while suburbs tear each other apart. It's starting to happen now. My life's work is to turn people against these terrorists.

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 8:37pm:

It doesn't matter, we lost the battle and will be consigned to history. We were too divided and individualistic. We didn't have what it takes to continue living our vision. Now we are paying the ultimate price. Hahaha, eat poo you stupid whites! You are about to go extinct.

You hate yourself  because you are colour impaired.

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 8:37pm:

It doesn't matter, we lost the battle and will be consigned to history. We were too divided and individualistic. We didn't have what it takes to continue living our vision. Now we are paying the ultimate price. Hahaha, eat poo you stupid whites! You are about to go extinct.

If our forefathers said the same defeatist things, we wouldnt be here today.

Sparky wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 8:27pm:

Now race doesn't exist. That's a new one .

No, not new at all. There are no  set of traits, or genetic factors, that are exclusive to any particular one racial group. Not sure why you think this is new information.

White isn't a race, its a skin colour.

Sparky wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 8:39pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 8:37pm: It doesn't matter, we lost the battle and will be consigned to history. We were too divided and individualistic. We didn't have what it takes to continue living our vision. Now we are paying the ultimate price. Hahaha, eat poo you stupid whites! You are about to go extinct. You hate yourself  because you are colour impaired.

History has never witnessed such an own goal as what people of European descent have done to themselves within a few generations of being undisputed masters of this world. I just shake my head and smile now, I won't be in the world much longer and I didn't reproduce. Tell your kids and grandkids good luck from me. ;)

Mathew wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 8:41pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 8:37pm: It doesn't matter, we lost the battle and will be consigned to history. We were too divided and individualistic. We didn't have what it takes to continue living our vision. Now we are paying the ultimate price. Hahaha, eat poo you stupid whites! You are about to go extinct. If our forefathers said the same defeatist things, we wouldnt be here today.

Your forefathers have destroyed themselves.

ian wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 8:43pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 8:27pm: Now race doesn't exist. That's a new one . No, not new at all. There are no  set of traits, or genetic factors, that are exclusive to any particular one racial group. Not sure why you think this is new information.

To deny that there are physical differences between races, and that Japanese, Africans, Europeans And Aboriginies have the same genetic makeup, same physical appearance and the exact same reaction to the environment is so scientifically flawed I cringe to hear it.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_odor#Genetics

Heres a wiki statement about how different geographical (racial) groups have different levels of body odor dissipation which is one of the many different things that affect different racial groups but Im not going to get into a biological debate about race as this post is obviously about cultural issues.  Let me guess, wikipedia, and the scientists who discover these racial differences are also "racists" because what really is the definition of "race-ist" Someone who believes in race? Tell that to all the Basketball and sports coaches who train black athletes for running etc. Nobody disputes this.

Sigh, the leftists will never end debating this. They have their precious word "racist" the equivelent to "communist" used in America in the 60s and "heretic" being used in the dark age.

ian wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 8:43pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 8:27pm: Now race doesn't exist. That's a new one . No, not new at all. There are no  set of traits, or genetic factors, that are exclusive to any particular one racial group. Not sure why you think this is new information.

No differences hey, then tell me why Asian people have slanting eyes and black people never invented anything but can kick a football. Sure there's differences between races.

Mathew wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

To deny that there are physical differences between races, and that Japanese, Africans, Europeans And Aboriginies have the same genetic makeup, same physical appearance and the exact same reaction to the environment is so scientifically flawed I cringe to hear it.

Are you hearing voices? No one is stating this. You aren't very smart are you?   

The reason they were destroyed, is that it requires a critical mass of understanding and comprehension within a population, to create a new paradigm. Debates became mired in such complexity that the critical mass of understanding of the concepts and how they are relevant to political aims became blurred. There just weren't enough people who could comprehend the debate in order to focus on the right details. They were succesfully exposed as the angry, uneducated racists they are.

They could have easily been trained or educated with the politically correct terms of reference to continue taking the fight to their detractors, but there was no political will to organise it. Your forefathers were too busy enjoying the spoils of war and physical military victory over their enemies and high on the notion that their kingship of the world would last forever. To be quite honest, I'm sick of these dummies and I want to see them get what they deserve.

I'm sick of carrying them.

Sparky wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 8:51pm:

ian wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 8:43pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 8:27pm: Now race doesn't exist. That's a new one . No, not new at all. There are no  set of traits, or genetic factors, that are exclusive to any particular one racial group. Not sure why you think this is new information. No differences hey, then tell me why Asian people have slanting eyes and black people never invented anything but can kick a football. Sure there's differences between races.

Read my statement again
Quote:

There are no  set of traits, or genetic factors, that are exclusive to any particular one racial group

don't respond until you understand it.

ian wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 8:54pm:

Mathew wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 8:49pm: To deny that there are physical differences between races, and that Japanese, Africans, Europeans And Aboriginies have the same genetic makeup, same physical appearance and the exact same reaction to the environment is so scientifically flawed I cringe to hear it. Are you hearing voices? No one is stating this. You aren't very smart are you?

Its funny hearing a grown man get frustrated and say things online like "you're not very smart are you?"
You're getting a tad too personal. I dont think your cut out to discuss grown up matters. Go scream into a pillow please and keep things civil.

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

The reason they were destroyed, is that it requires a critical mass of understanding and comprehension within a population, to create a new paradigm. Debates became mired in such complexity that the critical mass of understanding of the concepts and how they are relevant to political aims became blurred. There just weren't enough people who could comprehend the debate in order to focus on the right details. They were succesfully exposed as the angry, uneducated racists they are. They could have easily been trained or educated with the politically correct terms of reference to continue taking the fight to their detractors, but there was no political will to organise it. Your forefathers were too busy enjoying the spoils of war and physical military victory over their enemies and high on the notion that their kingship of the world would last forever.

Uneducated racists. ;D ;D ;D ;D Didn't you just write this-......Hahaha, eat poo you stupid whites! In 5 minutes you've been racist and condemned racism. What a dummy!!

ian wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 8:56pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 8:51pm: ian wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 8:43pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 8:27pm: Now race doesn't exist. That's a new one . No, not new at all. There are no  set of traits, or genetic factors, that are exclusive to any particular one racial group. Not sure why you think this is new information. No differences hey, then tell me why Asian people have slanting eyes and black people never invented anything but can kick a football. Sure there's differences between races. Read my statement again Quote: There are no  set of traits, or genetic factors, that are exclusive to any particular one racial group don't respond until you understand it.

Yes there is- blue eyes. You are full of crap Ian. You don't have one iota of a clue about what you are saying.

Sparky wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 8:59pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 8:55pm: The reason they were destroyed, is that it requires a critical mass of understanding and comprehension within a population, to create a new paradigm. Debates became mired in such complexity that the critical mass of understanding of the concepts and how they are relevant to political aims became blurred. There just weren't enough people who could comprehend the debate in order to focus on the right details. They were succesfully exposed as the angry, uneducated racists they are. They could have easily been trained or educated with the politically correct terms of reference to continue taking the fight to their detractors, but there was no political will to organise it. Your forefathers were too busy enjoying the spoils of war and physical military victory over their enemies and high on the notion that their kingship of the world would last forever. Uneducated racists. ;D ;D ;D ;D Didn't you just write this-......Hahaha, eat poo you stupid whites! In 5 minutes you've been racist and condemned racism. What a dummy!!

I'm white, I'm allowed to describe myself and others of my hue as such. I'm very disappointed in my fellow white people though, watching you stumbling and fumbling along. I just hope I live long enough to see your utter demise under some brutal totalitarian regime. Many like myself have been warning you for decades about it, but were consigned to the unpopular fringe. I just want to see you all reap what you have sown so I can say I told you so before blowing my brains out or jumping off a bridge. :-/

Really? lets start with the slant eyes otherwise known as the epicanthic fold which you beleive is somehow exclusive to Asians 
Quote:

Epicanthic fold is typical in many peoples of Eastern Asia[1] and is common among Central Asian populations. It is most frequent in northeastern Asia and eastern central Asia, such as Mongolia, Manchuria, Korea, central and northern China, central and eastern Siberia and much of Japan and its prevalence decreases when one goes south and west. It is also noticed among indigenous peoples of the Arctic like Inuits and Aleuts. Epicanthic folds are characteristic of Bushmen populations in Southern Africa. It is also found in significant numbers among Indigenous Americans.[6][7][8] Additionally, European ethnic groups that tend to have epicanthus relatively frequently are Scandinavians, Samis,[7] Poles, Germans, the Irish and British.[citation needed] They are most prominent in women and children and tend to become less distinct with age.

Feel stupid yet? You will.  ;)

Oh dear, did I hear you say something about blues eyes being exclusive to one racial group? 
Quote:

In Germany, about 75% have blue eyes."[33] Blue eyes are also found in southern Europe, Central Asia, South Asia, and West Asia, especially among the Jewish population of Israel.[34][35][36] Many modern Israeli Jews are of European Ashkenazi origin, among whom this trait is common (A study taken in 1911 found that 53.7% of Jews in Galicia in Eastern Europe had blue eyes).[37][38] Y-Chromosome DNA testing performed on ancient Scythian skeletons found that light eye colors were already present during the Bronze and Iron Ages in the Siberian Krasnoyarsk region.[39] 10 out of the 11 subjects carried Y-DNA R1a1, most commonly found today in Eastern Europe and South Asia.

ian wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 9:06pm:

Really? lets start with the slant eyes otherwise known as the epicanthic fold which you beleive is somehow exclusive to Asians  Quote: Epicanthic fold is typical in many peoples of Eastern Asia[1] and is common among Central Asian populations. It is most frequent in northeastern Asia and eastern central Asia, such as Mongolia, Manchuria, Korea, central and northern China, central and eastern Siberia and much of Japan and its prevalence decreases when one goes south and west. It is also noticed among indigenous peoples of the Arctic like Inuits and Aleuts. Epicanthic folds are characteristic of Bushmen populations in Southern Africa. It is also found in significant numbers among Indigenous Americans.[6][7][8] Additionally, European ethnic groups that tend to have epicanthus relatively frequently are Scandinavians, Samis,[7] Poles, Germans, the Irish and British.[citation needed] They are most prominent in women and children and tend to become less distinct with age. Feel stupid yet? You will.  ;)

So If epicanthic folds affect Europeans at less than 2% of the population, which is toward Asian regions, but Asians are affected by this genetic trait by over 99.5%, almost exclusively,  then you're saying this somehow DISPROVES that race exists? Haha please explain your answer to that. Im interested in how far you can coherently take this. No jumping to red hearing fallacies.

Mathew wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 9:11pm:

So If epicanthic folds affect Europeans at less than 2% of the population, which is toward Asian regions, but Asians are affected by this genetic trait by over 99.5%, almost exclusively,  then you're saying this somehow DISPROVES that race exists? Haha please explain your answer to that. Im interested in how far you can coherently take this. No jumping to red hearing fallacies.

You wanted to know why Asian people have slanting eyes and I showed that not only asians have slanting eyes. This proves my statement that genetic characterisitics are not exclkusive to any one racial group. What don't you understand?

What does slanty eyes have to do with why you don't like Asians? At least pick something smacking relevant. If stupid white people had been culled at birth, we wouldn't be in this mess.

ian wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 9:14pm:

Mathew wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 9:11pm: So If epicanthic folds affect Europeans at less than 2% of the population, which is toward Asian regions, but Asians are affected by this genetic trait by over 99.5%, almost exclusively,  then you're saying this somehow DISPROVES that race exists? Haha please explain your answer to that. Im interested in how far you can coherently take this. No jumping to red hearing fallacies. You wanted to know why Asian people have slanting eyes and I showed that not only Asians have slanting eyes. This proves my statement that genetic characteristics are not exclusive to any one racial group. What don't you understand?

But nobody claimed that genetic traits were exclusive to any particular racial group. This is not what defines a racial group. The rate at which these physical characteristics are prevalent within the racial groups is what defines broad geographic racial groups. After all, they have evolved to their environment over 40,000 years. Asiatic And European peoples even have admixture with the neanderthal, a different homo-sapien subspecies. Do you want links to this small "trivial" finding? hahaha Because that factor is hugely significant.

Nobody would say that people of Asian appearance from Asia are not distinguishable from Europeans, because some Sami mixed Scandinavians have epicanthic folds would you? haha, of course not, so arguing against race by claiming there is no exclusivity is a poor diversion.
Also the level of Epicanthic fold is not mentioned, so it could be even less defined even within the small minority of people.


[b]"Additionally, European ethnic groups that tend to have epicanthus relatively frequently are Scandinavians, Samis,[7] Poles, Germans, the Irish and British.[citation needed] They are
most prominent in women and children and tend to become less distinct with age."



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I mean how many Irish, Scottish or Germans do you know who have epicanthic folds? Thats such a laughably poor arguement against race that I find it hard to even continue arguing this.

Its a shame that leftists of this intellect and general logic are in control of our immigration policies. They'd be executed for ethnic cleansing and treason in any non-white nation.

God you're stupid Matthew you should stop posting now. Unfortunately, as in the past, we don't have wars to send our stupid lumps off to anymore, so that they can be somewhat useful. Ignorance really is strength, but you have to enforce it.

Edit: Sorry Matthew, they should have educated you better and told you the truth from the beginning. It must be frustrating to find yourself on the front line of extinction, blind, deaf and dumb; with no tools or leadership.

I have no idea why lefties hate western secular culture, the culture that gay hating women oppressing cultures are busting to access, despite us being racist and all.

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 9:25pm:

God you're stupid Matthew you should stop posting now. Unfortunately, as in the past, we don't have wars to send our stupid lumps off to anymore, so that they can be somewhat useful. Ignorance really is strength, but you have to enforce it. Edit: Sorry Matthew, they should have educated you better and told you the truth from the beginning. It must be frustrating to find yourself on the front line of extinction, blind, deaf and dumb; with no tools or leadership.

So I suppose all the aborigines as well as other races that went to war were dumb lumps too or is it just the white ones?

Mathew wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 9:23pm:

But nobody claimed that genetic traits were exclusive to any particular racial group.

, yes they did. The claim was made that slant eyes and blue eyes were exclusive to particular groups. have you not been following the thread?

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This is not what defines a racial group. The rate at which these physical characteristics are prevalent within the racial groups is what defines broad geographic racial groups. After all, they have evolved to their environment over 40,000 years. Asiatic And European peoples even have admixture with the neanderthal, a different homo-sapien subspecies. Do you want links to this small "trivial" finding? hahaha Because that factor is hugely significant.

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Nobody would say that people of Asian appearance from Asia are not distinguishable from Europeans, because some Sami mixed Scandinavians have epicanthic folds would you? haha, of course not, so arguing against race by claiming there is no exclusivity is a poor diversion.

No one made that claim, seeing things again?

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Also the level of Epicanthic fold is not mentioned, so it could be even less defined even within the small minority of people.

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I mean how many Irish, Scottish or Germans do you know who have epicanthic folds? Thats such a laughably poor arguement against race that I find it hard to even continue arguing this. Its a shame that leftists of this intellect and general logic are in control of our immigration policies. They'd be executed for ethnic cleansing and treason in any non-white nation.

irrelevant strawman. Your argument has been destroyed, you have presented zero evidence for the existence of different 'races". whte flag accepted.

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 9:22pm:

What does slanty eyes have to do with why you don't like Asians? At least pick something smacking relevant. If stupid white people had been culled at birth, we wouldn't be in this mess.

It goes with the territory Winston, these people have achevived nothing of thier own in their own lves and never will. They so desperately want something to belong to and feel proud of in lieu of the fact their lives will be characterised by meaninglessness.

Mathew wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 5:15pm:

Are you even more oblivious to a recolonization that is occurring today, hence the topic of the thread.

Well, I can spell it properly, "re-colonisation" so therefore I can't be unaware of the concept but "colonisation" seems to have as it's basis that the "colonists" retain loyalty to their nation of origin.  There is no evidence of that in the immigrants whom settle here.   They take out Australian citizenship.  They swear an oath/affirmation of allegiance to Australia.

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Another typical liberal double standard. Thankfully a rebuttal to your claim has already been created.

I notice you don't even attempt to refute the points I made about the social construction of the concept of race and how racists utilise it.  I suppose you can't?
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Winston Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

At some point we have to draw an arbitrary line between what we consider 'ours' and 'theirs'. Physical boundaries such as oceans or mountains and recognizable variations in race and culture are obvious starting points. Until we reach some kind of pan-human agreement on how to conduct ourselves, it will always have to be that way. Everything else is semantics.

Perhaps some of us already have constructed such an agreement and are living by it, rather than pandering to the outmoded beliefs in the colour of your skin or the shape of your eyes determining your apparent worth as a human being?


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Even though race isn't technically real in the sense that it's most often used, we cannot ignore the fact that we have percieved and acted upon it as being real for millenia. That will have had some effect on at least our evolutionary memology, which would almost certainly have had biological implications. Look at the caste system in india as a vestige of that.

Couldn't agree more.  However, now that we recognise it for what it is, we can agree that it demeans everybody and discard it.   :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Sparky wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 8:27pm:

Now race doesn't exist. That's a new one .

Nope.  It's an old one, renewed.  The modern conception of "race", based upon physical differences is a relatively new belief which originated only in the last two centuries as Europeans established their empires and sought some reason to justify their rule over all those "lesser races".   :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Mathew wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 8:30pm:

Anti-white leftists have no problem acknowledging ethnicity among non-white "minority" groups and protecting them with ethnic rights and representation, and avoiding ethnic cleansing and genocide of nations, but when it comes to the ethnic cleansing of western, white cultural/racial groups via mass immigration and forced assimilation policies, these basic human rights are ignored, and instead they argue that there is "no such thing" as anglo-celtic Australian majority, who shaped this post colonial nation. Why are they not entitled to simply preserve their nation, heritage and ethnicity?

It's interesting how often racists resort to the creation of strawman arguments to justify their racism.  No one here has argued that, "there is "no such thing" as anglo-celtic Australian majority, who shaped this post colonial nation."  This is purely a figment of your justification.

Nor has there been any forced policies of assimilation (except by that "anglo-celtic Australian majority" who tried it before the creation of Multiculturalism).

The reality is and here we get down to brass tacks, you resent the idea that some who doesn't look the same as you is now your equal.  You feel that the colour of someone's skin or the shape of their eyes or any of the other minor, physical differences between human beings determines the relative value of people and groups.
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To deny race exists is ridiculous, and stunts any kind of sensible discussion.

Nope, it puts it on a rational, scientific basis rather than one of prejudice and intolerance.   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 8:37pm:

It doesn't matter, we lost the battle and will be consigned to history. We were too divided and individualistic. We didn't have what it takes to continue living our vision. Now we are paying the ultimate price. Hahaha, eat poo you stupid whites! You are about to go extinct.

You seem to believe the colour of one's skin, which is purely an evolutionary adaptation to living in high latitudes determines the value of a person as a human being.  That is just silly.

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|dev|null wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:49am:

Sparky wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 8:27pm: Now race doesn't exist. That's a new one . Nope.  It's an old one, renewed.  The modern conception of "race", based upon physical differences is a relatively new belief which originated only in the last two centuries as Europeans established their empires and sought some reason to justify their rule over all those "lesser races".   :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Most science is new. That's why the concept of race came about in that time span. Race is just a categorization for the 3 distinct groups of humans. These are caucasian, negro and asian. It don't know why you are having a conniption fit about it. All humans can breed together so the differences aren't great. I never said it was. But their are genetic differences that dictate physicality and brain function caused by geographic , climate, diet etc.

Datalife wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 11:35pm:

I have no idea why lefties hate western secular culture, the culture that gay hating women oppressing cultures are busting to access, despite us being racist and all.

Enjoying your thatching DL?

I don't hate Western secular culture.  I just don't think it is quite as superior as you appear to think.  Afterall, it produced most of the genocides of the 20th century, including the attempted one in Australia.    ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Genocides?
being obtuse and selective now eh Jnr... ;D ;D ;D

Pol Pot being your poster boy and all, I'd have been a bit more careful with what I say if I was you...  not to mention Mao and all those dead Chinee eh  :D
Go bwiantwust another FAIL!

|dev|null wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 11:04am:

I don't hate Western secular culture.

Course you do, your posts reek of resentment, of disconnection and a desire for western secular culture to be subsumed and diminished. 

Datalife wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 3:32pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 11:04am:     I don't hate Western secular culture.  Course you do, your posts reek of resentment, of disconnection and a desire for western secular culture to be subsumed and diminished.

Sounds like you've been hanging around Misty too long.

Or, are you another one of his socks?

Datalife wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 3:32pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 11:04am:     I don't hate Western secular culture.  Course you do, your posts reek of resentment, of disconnection and a desire for western secular culture to be subsumed and diminished.

Then you aren't reading my posts!   :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Question for you DL.  Is one allowed to be critical of Western secular culture or must we always be be complete uncritical of it?

Sparky wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 11:02am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 10:49am: Sparky wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 8:27pm: Now race doesn't exist. That's a new one . Nope.  It's an old one, renewed.  The modern conception of "race", based upon physical differences is a relatively new belief which originated only in the last two centuries as Europeans established their empires and sought some reason to justify their rule over all those "lesser races".   :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D Most science is new. That's why the concept of race came about in that time span. Race is just a categorization for the 3 distinct groups of humans. These are caucasian, negro and asian. It don't know why you are having a conniption fit about it. All humans can breed together so the differences aren't great. I never said it was. But their are genetic differences that dictate physicality and brain function caused by geographic , climate, diet etc.

So, in otherwords, race as a concept is purely a social construct designed to ease categorisation of people according to their superficial, visible, physical aspects which can be observed by the external observer?

Isn't that essentially supporting the view that "race is a social construct"?  In otherwords, it has no scientific basis?  :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Grendel wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 3:06pm:

Genocides? being obtuse and selective now eh Jnr... ;D ;D ;D

Nope.  The Stolen Generations was an attempt at genocide.  The intention was the obliteration of the Aborigines.


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Pol Pot being your poster boy and all, I'd have been a bit more careful with what I say if I was you...  not to mention Mao and all those dead Chinee eh  :D Go bwiantwust another FAIL!

I think you'll find that neither he, nor Mao are covered by the description, "Western secular culture".  So, an own goal for you, again!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

|dev|null wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 3:37pm:

Question for you DL.  Is one allowed to be critical of Western secular culture or must we always be be complete uncritical of it?

Course you can, after all, you follow your idiotic brothers rule it is the only culture you can criticise, a philosophy of his you have, as usual adopted completely and slavishly.

So criticise away.   ;D ;D  Why stop now?  8-)

|dev|null wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 6:46pm: At some point we have to draw an arbitrary line between what we consider 'ours' and 'theirs'. Physical boundaries such as oceans or mountains and recognizable variations in race and culture are obvious starting points. Until we reach some kind of pan-human agreement on how to conduct ourselves, it will always have to be that way. Everything else is semantics. Perhaps some of us already have constructed such an agreement and are living by it, rather than pandering to the outmoded beliefs in the colour of your skin or the shape of your eyes determining your apparent worth as a human being?

You'd be pissing in the wind.


|dev|null wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 6:46pm: Even though race isn't technically real in the sense that it's most often used, we cannot ignore the fact that we have percieved and acted upon it as being real for millenia. That will have had some effect on at least our evolutionary memology, which would almost certainly have had biological implications. Look at the caste system in india as a vestige of that. Couldn't agree more.  However, now that we recognise it for what it is, we can agree that it demeans everybody and discard it.   :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Wishful thinking.

|dev|null wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:59am:

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 8:37pm: It doesn't matter, we lost the battle and will be consigned to history. We were too divided and individualistic. We didn't have what it takes to continue living our vision. Now we are paying the ultimate price. Hahaha, eat poo you stupid whites! You are about to go extinct. You seem to believe the colour of one's skin, which is purely an evolutionary adaptation to living in high latitudes determines the value of a person as a human being.  That is just silly. ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

What makes you think that I think that?

I thought skin colour is determined by the concentration of compounds which increase or decrease depending on the intensity of sunlight.

I'm talking about social and cultural values of the vast majority of what we would consider white skinned people. People from western, Christian backgrounds; living modern secular lives based on individual freedom. If you can't comprehend the difference between memes and genes, then you are always likely to get confused in these conversations.

You also need to understand that some of the most accurate or forgiving generalisations can be made along 'racial' lines, because of how memes and genes interact. To deny that this is mostly the case and has functioned as such, would be denying reality.

Can you actually calmly and rationally point out any flaws in my position?

|dev|null wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

Grendel wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 3:06pm: Genocides? being obtuse and selective now eh Jnr... ;D ;D ;D Nope.  The Stolen Generations was an attempt at genocide.  The intention was the obliteration of the Aborigines. Quote: Pol Pot being your poster boy and all, I'd have been a bit more careful with what I say if I was you...  not to mention Mao and all those dead Chinee eh  :D Go bwiantwust another FAIL! I think you'll find that neither he, nor Mao are covered by the description, "Western secular culture".  So, an own goal for you, again!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

There was no "Stolen Generation" it was a report title, made up for emotive impact by biased LW Progs who had an agenda to push.

I guess from your failed attempt at refutation of my other point... which seems to have zipped right over your head, that you are indeed as bwian has often inferred the intellectual runt of the litter...  ;D ;D ;D

Nice of you to actually point out the accuracy and truth of my point though... the topic is about Asians right?  and you did bring up genocide didn't you?
::)

|dev|null wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 3:40pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 11:02am: |dev|null wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 10:49am: Sparky wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 8:27pm: Now race doesn't exist. That's a new one . Nope.  It's an old one, renewed.  The modern conception of "race", based upon physical differences is a relatively new belief which originated only in the last two centuries as Europeans established their empires and sought some reason to justify their rule over all those "lesser races".   :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D Most science is new. That's why the concept of race came about in that time span. Race is just a categorization for the 3 distinct groups of humans. These are caucasian, negro and asian. It don't know why you are having a conniption fit about it. All humans can breed together so the differences aren't great. I never said it was. But their are genetic differences that dictate physicality and brain function caused by geographic , climate, diet etc. So, in otherwords, race as a concept is purely a social construct designed to ease categorisation of people according to their superficial, visible, physical aspects which can be observed by the external observer? Isn't that essentially supporting the view that "race is a social construct"?  In otherwords, it has no scientific basis?  :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Well there's differences in brain function and that can't be seen. That is of course if you have  x ray vision. There's differences in bones, skull shape, organs, eye shape. Hence the concept of race. da dah!!! I'll make it simple for you- think about dogs, some are Poodles and some German Shepherds. All dogs but some guard houses and some snuggle at your feet.

|dev|null wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

The Stolen Generations was an attempt at genocide.  The intention was the obliteration of the Aborigines.

You ARE a fvkn looney!!!'

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Sparky wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 11:02am:

Most sceience is new. That's why the concept of race came about in that time span. Race is just a categorization for the 3 distinct groups of humans. These are caucasian, negro and asian. It don't know why you are having a conniption fit about it. All humans can breed together so the differences aren't great. I never said it was. But their are genetic differences that dictate physicality and brain function caused by geographic , climate, diet etc.

I have to laugh, Asian is a race? Its a geographical categorisation used for convenience  Einstein. Lol. What complete nonsense, look at the difference between an Indian and a Chinese person, do you see any similarities? Please don't mention science any more, you cant even spell it let alone know anything about it. What a maroon , Lol. ;D

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:43pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 3:44pm:   The Stolen Generations was an attempt at genocide.  The intention was the obliteration of the Aborigines. You ARE a fvkn looney!!!' ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D :P :P :P :P :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

The Left fill the empty heads of their progeny with crap....  ::)

ian wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:45pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 11:02am: Most sceience is new. That's why the concept of race came about in that time span. Race is just a categorization for the 3 distinct groups of humans. These are caucasian, negro and asian. It don't know why you are having a conniption fit about it. All humans can breed together so the differences aren't great. I never said it was. But their are genetic differences that dictate physicality and brain function caused by geographic , climate, diet etc. I have to laugh, Asian is a race? Its a geographical categorisation used for convenience  Einstein. Lol. What complete nonsense, look at the difference between an Indian and a Chinese person, do you see any similarities? Please don't mention science any more, you cant even spell it let alone know anything about it. What a maroon , Lol. ;D

Put your head in a oven and blow your head of Ian. You are a complete moron who mucks decent argument. Now bugger off.

ian wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:45pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 11:02am: Most sceience is new. That's why the concept of race came about in that time span. Race is just a categorization for the 3 distinct groups of humans. These are caucasian, negro and asian. It don't know why you are having a conniption fit about it. All humans can breed together so the differences aren't great. I never said it was. But their are genetic differences that dictate physicality and brain function caused by geographic , climate, diet etc. I have to laugh, Asian is a race? Its a geographical categorisation used for convenience  Einstein. Lol. What complete nonsense, look at the difference between an Indian and a Chinese person, do you see any similarities? Please don't mention science any more, you cant even spell it let alone know anything about it. What a maroon , Lol. ;D

The races as defined  are primarily; Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid... (and Australoid)
Only an idiot refutes their existence as such...

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Mongoloid /ˈmɒŋ.ɡə.lɔɪd/ refers to populations that share certain phenotypic traits such as epicanthic fold and other physical traits common in most of Asia (including Central Asia, South East Asia, East Asia, etc.), the Arctic, the Americas and most of the Pacific Islands. In terms of population, they are the most dominant race – more than one third of the human race.

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Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, and/or social affiliation. First used to refer to speakers of a common language and then to denote national affiliations, in the 17th century, people began to use the term to relate to observable physical traits. Such use promoted hierarchies favorable to differing ethnic groups. Starting from the 19th century, the term was often used, in a taxonomic sense, to denote genetically differentiated human populations defined by phenotype.

Race....  it exists....  no use denying it  :D

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:43pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 3:44pm:   The Stolen Generations was an attempt at genocide.  The intention was the obliteration of the Aborigines. You ARE a fvkn looney!!!'

*SIGH* someone else who denies the historical record...  ::)

Grendel wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:58pm:

ian wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 9:45pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 11:02am: Most sceience is new. That's why the concept of race came about in that time span. Race is just a categorization for the 3 distinct groups of humans. These are caucasian, negro and asian. It don't know why you are having a conniption fit about it. All humans can breed together so the differences aren't great. I never said it was. But their are genetic differences that dictate physicality and brain function caused by geographic , climate, diet etc. I have to laugh, Asian is a race? Its a geographical categorisation used for convenience  Einstein. Lol. What complete nonsense, look at the difference between an Indian and a Chinese person, do you see any similarities? Please don't mention science any more, you cant even spell it let alone know anything about it. What a maroon , Lol. ;D The races as defined  are primarily; Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid... (and Australoid) Only an idiot refutes their existence as such... EG; Quote: Mongoloid /ˈmɒŋ.ɡə.lɔɪd/ refers to populations that share certain phenotypic traits such as epicanthic fold and other physical traits common in most of Asia (including Central Asia, South East Asia, East Asia, etc.), the Arctic, the Americas and most of the Pacific Islands. In terms of population, they are the most dominant race – more than one third of the human race. [quote]Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, and/or social affiliation. First used to refer to speakers of a common language and then to denote national affiliations, in the 17th century, people began to use the term to relate to observable physical traits. Such use promoted hierarchies favorable to differing ethnic groups. Starting from the 19th century, the term was often used, in a taxonomic sense, to denote genetically differentiated human populations defined by phenotype.

Race....  it exists....  no use denying it  :D
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How interesting that you did not either credit nor continue the quote, Beowulf.  Cherry picking?  How unusual.  Let us see what the next two paragraphs from your Wikipedia quote states


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Social conceptions and groupings of races vary over time, involving folk taxonomies [4] that define essential types of individuals based on perceived traits. Scientists consider biological essentialism obsolete,[5] and generally discourage racial explanations for collective differentiation in both physical and behavioral traits.[6][7][8][9][10] Even though there is a broad scientific agreement that essentialist conceptualizations of race are untenable, scientists continue to conceptualize race in widely differing ways, some of which have essentialist implications. Views of race that see racial groups as defined genetically are still common in the biological sciences although controversial, whereas the social constructionist view is dominant in the social sciences.

So, it admits that "race" as a concept is indeed a social construct.  So no matter how much you moan, your very own source defeats what you're attempting to claim, Beowful.  How unusual.

As a social construct, Beowulf.  "Race" is, as your own quote notes, based upon many factors BUT not primarily on scientific genetic differences.  Yet many racists will act as if their belief in the concept is.   Genetically, there are no substantial differences between the "races".  Therefore, to act as if there is, is nonsensical.   As HB suggested, assuming the supposed superiority or inferiority of an individual on the basis of, "anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, and/or social affiliation" is basically stupid.  Are you that stupid?  Sometimes it appears so from the attitudes and prejudices that you display here and elsewhere, Beowulf.   ::)

Sparky wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:49pm:

Put your head in a oven and blow your head of Ian. You are a complete moron who mucks decent argument. Now bugger off.

Asian is a race, ROFL. What a howler!

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 12:13pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 10:35am: Or are you talking about something like racism?   :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D The world is racist. If Asian people have the numbers in Australia things will change to suit them. Maybe Australia will go down the drain as a result.

So, to justify your racism you claim the whole world is racist?

So, merely because some Australians have different shaped eyes or different coloured skin or eat different food or worship different gods, this justifies your intolerance and prejudice against them?   ::)

Im on record as not being a fan of some cultures, however to judge someone on their appearance is beyond stupidity.

Just posted the required info bwian...  no cherry picking involved, I leave that sort of crap to you.

Race isn't a social construct... that is a LW Prog fantasy.
The sky is blue is not a social construct either.

I don't quote parts of Wiki that are incorrect bwian, unlike yourself, nor an I a lying hypocrite ...  how many times have you scoffed at Wikipedia as a source?  ;D ;D ;D
Now who's cherry picking?  ::) ::) ::)

Don't try preaching to me on this subject you are waaaay out of your depth and out matched.  ::)

Grendel wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

Just posted the required info bwian...  no cherry picking involved, I leave that sort of crap to you.

So why didn't you post the other paragraphs?  Hoping that we'd all take you at your word when you didn't provide a reference to check it?   ::)


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Race isn't a social construct... that is a LW Prog fantasy.

Mmmm, what didn't you understand about, "Social conceptions and groupings of races vary over time, involving folk taxonomies [4] that define essential types of individuals based on perceived traits. Scientists consider biological essentialism obsolete"?

"Scientists consider biological essentialism obsolete".  Obvious it is not a "LW Prog fantasy", now is it, Beowulf?   It is scientific fact that the traditional views about the issue of "race" being meaningful are obsolete.


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The sky is blue is not a social construct either. I don't quote parts of Wiki that are incorrect bwian, unlike yourself, nor an I a lying hypocrite ...  how many times have you scoffed at Wikipedia as a source?  ;D ;D ;D Now who's cherry picking?  ::) ::) ::)

I am merely using your own source against you, Beowulf.  Are you claiming those paragraphs are incorrect?  Perhaps you'd care to provide some proof that refutes them?  Or is your mere opinion sufficient.

Looks to me like you've been hoist by your own petard, Beowulf.   ::)


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Don't try preaching to me on this subject you are waaaay out of your depth and out matched.  ::)

Unlike you, I don't make nonsense claims which my own sources refute, Beowulf.   As we can see, you're out of your depth in an intellectual puddle.   ::)

Oh dear...  you do post such presumptuous rot...  all the time.

I'd expect any knowledgeable adult wouldn't need me to tell them basics or provide links.
But then after years of having to do it for them I have a habit of obliging.

Race is clearly and always has been clearly a reality...  not a social construct.

Genetically it may not be considered by some as some hugely quantifiable thing, but none the less it exists.  Apparently Chimps have 98% of our DNA, yet I wouldn't consider them human...  would you?
I've already provided a defn for race therefore it exists bwian.  It needs no further explanation... nor obfuscation from you.

As for petards bwian...  you are a tard on a petard and you've been hoisted so high you'll never get down. ::) ::) ::)

Grendel wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 8:38am:

I've already provided a defn for race therefore it exists bwian.

;D

"Race is an idea, not a fact."  NIP

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 9:31am:

Grendel wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 8:38am: I've already provided a defn for race therefore it exists bwian.  ;D "Race is an idea, not a fact."  NIP

Is that a fact??
Or just a random idea?

Soren wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 9:43am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 9:31am: Grendel wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 8:38am: I've already provided a defn for race therefore it exists bwian.  ;D "Race is an idea, not a fact."  NIP Is that a fact?? Or just a random idea?

You decide.

All these left wing halfwits use the term "racist" when they don't even believe in the concept of race. Make up your minds! They'll have to get themselves a new word.

Sparky wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 9:56am:

All these left wing halfwits use the term "racist" when they don't even believe in the concept of race. Make up your minds! They'll have to get themselves a new word.

"bigot" covers a multitude of sins.

I have already. I am interested in your take, seeing how quickly you deny facts for the sake of silly paradoxes that instantly invalidate anything you yourself and the other ' no facts to see here' numpties peddle.

Sparky wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 9:56am:

All these left wing halfwits use the term "racist" when they don't even believe in the concept of race. Make up your minds! They'll have to get themselves a new word.

Nothing to do with what individuals "believe"  or a word that has crept into common usage, science has completly invalidated the concept of different races, that's why you look so foolish trying to continue on wth ths argument. Its like trying to argue against the theory of gravity.

ian wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 10:20am:

science has completly invalidated the concept of different races

Has it? 

Well perhaps they should look harder - anyone can easily distinguish one race from another with the naked eye. 

If "science" can't see what's obviously there, it seems they're not looking in the right place, or the right way....and it's highly doubtful that it's unintentional.

Next you'll be telling me "science" has completely invalidated the concept of dog breeds, which is exactly the same as "race" only by a different name.  I can see a difference, can you?

http://spacefart.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/great_dane_chihuahua.jpg

... wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 10:27am:

Well perhaps they should look harder - anyone can easily distinguish one race from another with the naked eye.

If you thnk about this it is a compeltly absurd comment. But go ahead and elaborate. First, tell us what you consider the different races. Im going to do you slowly on this so may not come back to destroy you till a bit lter.


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If "science" can't see what's obviously there, it seems they're not looking in the right place, or the right way....and it's highly doubtful that it's unintentional.

science isn't based on "public opinion" Honky, no matter how much you would like it to be. God, I love you people so much, I feel like an intellectual giant when I read your stuff. Its a real ego booster.

ian wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 10:39am:

First, tell us what you consider the different races

Many easily recognisable types of dogs aren't recognised as "official" breeds, and you will recall how "breed" and "race" are the same thing.



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science isn't based on "public opinion"

Right.  It's based on who funds it, and what they want it to "prove".  If a study "proved" that there was no difference between a chihuahua and a great dane, would you believe it?

... wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 10:48am:

ian wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 10:39am: First, tell us what you consider the different races Many easily recognisable types of dogs aren't recognised as "official" breeds, and you will recall how "breed" and "race" are the same thing. Quote: science isn't based on "public opinion" Right.  It's based on who funds it, and what they want it to "prove".  If a study "proved" that there was no difference between a chihuahua and a great dane, would you believe it?

I was looking forward to seeing your answer, however, you didn't give one.

Disappointing.

Sure I did.  Not my problem if it isn't the stereotypical one you wanted. 

I don't believe you really were looking forward to an answer to such a trivial question though.

... wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 11:00am:

Sure I did.

No, you did no such thing.

You saw the precipice ahead of you, and made a very quick detour.

Wise move.

"Terriers" encompass many different breeds, just as "asians" encompasses many recognisable populations (aka races aka breeds)

But yeah, let's not pretend this is anything other than an attempt to fish for semantics to quibble over.  Hollow, and transparent. 

... wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 11:11am:

Hollow, and transparent.

Indeed.

So, is "asians" a race?

Are there others?

Look at the post right before yours. 

... wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 1:28pm:

Look at the post right before yours.

So that's it: "asians"?

No other races?

Are there any other dogs, or just terriers?

... wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 1:35pm:

Are there any other dogs, or just terriers?

Answering questions with questions now, I see.

A bit uncomfortable being backed into that corner, huh?

Back to the questions:

So that's it: "asians"?

No other races?

You've got your answer.  Now what do you want to do with it?

... wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 1:46pm:

You've got your answer.  Now what do you want to do with it?

You've answered nothing.

You're running scared.

It's a joy to behold.

well this is stimulating.

Hopefully ian will do better when he gets back to "do me slowly".

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 9:58am:

Sparky wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 9:56am: All these left wing halfwits use the term "racist" when they don't even believe in the concept of race. Make up your minds! They'll have to get themselves a new word. "bigot" covers a multitude of sins.

Well you'd know Gregg...  pedant suits you too.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:13pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 9:43pm: |dev|null wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 3:44pm:   The Stolen Generations was an attempt at genocide.  The intention was the obliteration of the Aborigines. You ARE a fvkn looney!!!' *SIGH* someone else who denies the historical record...  ::)

No generation was ever stolen bwian, I thought even you knew that.  ::) ::) ::)
Or are you denying the historical record and replacing it with a hysterical one instead?  ;D ;D ;D

ian wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 10:20am:

Sparky wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 9:56am: All these left wing halfwits use the term "racist" when they don't even believe in the concept of race. Make up your minds! They'll have to get themselves a new word. Nothing to do with what individuals "believe"  or a word that has crept into common usage, science has completly invalidated the concept of different races, that's why you look so foolish trying to continue on wth ths argument. Its like trying to argue against the theory of gravity.

Sorry ian but like much of which you repeat that is absolute hogwash.
oh and ian...  race isn't based on public opinion, and it never was.

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Studies contradict view that race doesn’t exist Racial differences among people are real, new studies suggest, contradicting claims by some of the world’s leading scientists and scientific institutions that race doesn’t exist.

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These experts had said race is merely a “social construct,” or a creation of society’s collective imagination. But the new studies, some of which come from Stanford University in Stanford, Calif., suggest that the way people classify themselves by race reflects real and clear genetic differences among them. This indicates there is some truth behind the racial distinctions that seem obvious to most ordinary people, the researchers said.

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But they added that it’s important to define race correctly, since dangerous misconceptions, such as the notion that some races are superior to others, persist and can serve to excuse racism.

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Moreover, previous studies have shown that racial differences between population groups are small, much smaller than variations within the groups themselves. The newer studies didn’t specifically dispute this observation, but simply found that the between-group differences are also clear.

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What is true, researchers said in light of the new studies, is that people of different races have different ancestries. This means different genes, since genes are inherited from ancestors.

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“The public in general is much more honest” about race than many academics are, “because the general public knows it signifies something rather than nothing,” said Jon Entine, a journalist and author of a critically well-received book, “Taboo: Why Black Athletes Dominate Sports and Why We’re Afraid to Talk About It.”

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The latest research to challenge the race-as-social-construct theory is a study of 3,636 people from across America and Taiwan, led by Neil Risch, then of the Stanford University School of Medicine and now at the University of California at San Francisco. It found that people’s self-identified race is a nearly perfect indicator of their genetic background, contradicting the race-as-social-construct view, Risch said.

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The study’s authors said it was the largest study of its kind.

The LW prog cries of "racism" is global...  these PC luvvies don't know the difference between racial and racist they undermine correct meanings and vilify others who dissent their pov.

Some academics and scientists as is evident in the climate debate have been just as dishonest in the race debate.  They deny what they see they deny it because their doctrine says recognising it makes one a a racist. They lie and cheat at every turn vilify and ridicule, just because they cannot tolerate dissent and cannot stand to be incorrect.

... wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 1:52pm:

well this is stimulating. Hopefully ian will do better when he gets back to "do me slowly".

Grow a pair, and answer the question.

Grendel wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 3:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 9:58am: Sparky wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 9:56am: All these left wing halfwits use the term "racist" when they don't even believe in the concept of race. Make up your minds! They'll have to get themselves a new word. "bigot" covers a multitude of sins. Well you'd know Gregg...

Absolutely.

With the amount of ignorant bigots in this forum, it's hard to not know.

... wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 11:11am:

"Terriers" encompass many different breeds, just as "asians" encompasses many recognisable populations (aka races aka breeds)

How many races are there?

A specific number, please.

How many breeds of dog are there?

A specific number, please.

... wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 5:32pm:

How many breeds of dog are there? A specific number, please.

;D

I love seeing you squirm when you know you've lost an "argument".

You choose:

a) tell us what you consider the different races, or

b) how many races are there?

when did we start the "argument"?

If races are like breeds of dogs I wonder what Asian's would be?

Grendel wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 3:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 10:13pm: Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 9:43pm: |dev|null wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 3:44pm:   The Stolen Generations was an attempt at genocide.  The intention was the obliteration of the Aborigines. You ARE a fvkn looney!!!' *SIGH* someone else who denies the historical record...  ::) No generation was ever stolen bwian, I thought even you knew that.  ::) ::) ::) Or are you denying the historical record and replacing it with a hysterical one instead?  ;D ;D ;D

I agree, no single generation was stolen, Beowulf.

However, multiple generations were and it was admitted to by multiple State governments at the HRC Inquiry "Bringing them home".  Forgotten this?


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forcible removal affected every region of Australia it seems to have been more or less intense according to the period, the available resources and the `visibility' of, in particular, children of `mixed descent'. Nationally we can conclude with confidence that between one in three and one in ten Indigenous children were forcibly removed from their families and communities in the period from approximately 1910 until 1970. In certain regions and in certain periods the figure was undoubtedly much greater than one in ten. In that time not one Indigenous family has escaped the effects of forcible removal (confirmed by representatives of the Queensland and WA Governments in evidence to the Inquiry). Most families have been affected, in one or more generations, by the forcible removal of one or more children.

[emphasis added]
[url=http://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/bringing-them-home-chapter-2#Heading26]Source[/url]

Are you suggesting that the various State Governments lied before the inquiry when they made those admissions, Beowulf?   ::)

... wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 11:00am:

Sure I did.  Not my problem if it isn't the stereotypical one you wanted.  I don't believe you really were looking forward to an answer to such a trivial question though.

You're a despicable grub. If I met you in real life, I wouldn't even argue with you. I'd just punch your lights out and be done with it. :)

Grendel wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 3:30pm:

[quote]Studies contradict view that race doesn’t exist Racial differences among people are real, new studies suggest...[/b]

Again, no references and merely journalistic reporting, with no references to these "studies".  Really, Beowulf, this is merely sloppy opinion.   Show us the studies and reference them, if you want to be believed.    ::)

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Race as a social construct and populationism Since the 1960s, some anthropologists and teachers of anthropology[who?] have re-conceived "race" as a cultural category or social construct, in other words, as a particular way that some people have of talking about themselves and others. As such it cannot be a useful analytical concept; rather, the use of the term "race" itself must be analyzed. Others[who?] have argued that the concept of race as a social construct is itself a social construct that has little validity outside of contemporary humanities. Some Historians, anthropologists and social scientists[who?] sometimes describe human races as a social construct, preferring instead the term population, which can be given a clear operational definition. Even those who reject the formal concept of race, however, still use the word race in day-to-day speech. This may either be a matter of semantics, or an effect of an underlying cultural significance of race in racist societies. Regardless of the name, a working concept of sub-species grouping can be useful, because in the absence of cheap and widespread genetic tests, various race-linked gene mutations (see Cystic fibrosis, Lactose intolerance, Tay-Sachs Disease and Sickle cell anemia) are difficult to address without recourse to a category between "individual" and "species". As genetic tests for such conditions become cheaper, and as detailed haplotype maps and SNP databases become available, identifiers of race should diminish. Also, increasing interracial marriage is reducing the predictive power of race. For example, most babies born with Tay-Sachs Disease in North America at present are not from Jewish families, despite stereotypes to contrary. In everyday speech, race often describes populations better defined as ethnic groups, often leading to discrepancies between scientific views on race and popular usage of the term. For instance in many parts of the United States, categories such as Hispanic or Latino are viewed[by whom?] to constitute a race, though others[who?] see Hispanic as a linguistic and cultural grouping with European, African, and Amerindian ancestries. Historically in the United States, when the one-drop rule was in existence, the term Black subsumed people with a broad range of ancestries under one label. Some[who?] argue it is preferable when considering biological relations to think in terms of populations, and when considering cultural relations to think in terms of ethnicity, rather than of race. These developments had important consequences. For example, some scientists[who?] developed the notion of "population" to take the place of race. It is argued that this substitution is not simply a matter of exchanging one word for another. This view does not deny that there are physical differences among peoples; it simply claims that the historical conceptions of "race" are not particularly useful in accounting for these differences scientifically. In particular, it is claimed[by whom?] that: [olist] knowing someone's "race" does not provide comprehensive predictive information about biological characteristics, and only absolutely predicts those traits that have been selected to define the racial categories, e.g. knowing a person's skin color, which is generally acknowledged to be one of the markers of race (or taken as a defining characteristic of race), does not allow good predictions of a person's blood type to be made. in general, the worldwide distribution of human phenotypes exhibits gradual trends of difference across geographic zones, not the categorical differences of race; in particular, there are many peoples (like the San of S. W. Africa, or the people of northern India) who have phenotypes that do not neatly fit into the standard race categories. focusing on race has historically led not only to seemingly insoluble disputes about classification (e.g. are the Japanese a distinct race, a mixture of races, or part of the East Asian race? and what about the Ainu?) but has also exposed disagreement about the criteria for making decisions— the selection of phenotypic traits seemed arbitrary... [/olist]

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_society#Race_as_a_social_construct_and_populationism]Source[/url]

Sparky wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 6:05pm:

If races are like breeds of dogs I wonder what Asian's would be?

Is "Asian" a race?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 7:24pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 6:05pm: If races are like breeds of dogs I wonder what Asian's would be? Is "Asian" a race?

Ask an Australian to describe an "Asian" and they will invariably talk about someone from East Asia.

Ask a British person to describe an "Asian" and they will invariably talk about some from South Asia.

Ask someone from Asia to describe an "Asian" and they will invariably describe themselves, whether they are Arabic, Persian, Turkic, Indian, Tamil, Burmese, Malaysian, Indonesian, Lao, Philippino, Chinese, Mongol, Manchurian, Japanese, etc...   ::)

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I agree, no single generation was stolen, Beowulf. However, multiple generations were and it was admitted to by multiple State governments at the HRC Inquiry "Bringing them home".  Forgotten this?

You should have stopped whilst you were correct bwian.

No single or multiple generations were stolen.

Crawl back to your hole while you still can.

As for race...  the article could be looked up by you if you wanted to bwian...  you googled my wiki quotes  ;D ;D ;D
You are such a disingenuous hypocrite.
And you like those who agree with you from the Left are wrong.  You are so wrong you cannot even admit the obvious.  :D :D :D

I posted the defn bwian... it is correct.  To deny it and the meaning is to be too stupid for words.

BTW there are many articles from scientists that agree with me.  In fact the Stanford Uni study was the basis of the article you poopooed...   ::)