http://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/20444588/pink-batts-inquiry-set-to-begin/

A Royal Commission of Inquiry into deaths and injuries linked to the Rudd government's home insulation scheme will begin on Monday in Brisbane.

Four young men died while working on the roll-out of the so-called "pink batts" scheme set up in 2009.

Three of the men were Queenslanders Matthew Fuller, Rueben Barnes, Mitchell Sweeney and the fourth New South Welshman Marcus Wilson.

Their families believe the $2.8 billion program - implemented by then-prime minister Kevin Rudd to inject money into the economy during the global financial crisis - was rushed and lacked adequate safety standards.

The inquiry will also investigate the affect the program had on the reputation and profits of long-standing home insulation businesses.

Heading the Royal Commission is barrister and commercial dispute resolution practitioner Ian Hanger, QC.

Mr Hange has until June 30 next year to provide a report of his findings and recommendations.

Are you assholes going to continue to waste money on this blatant
witch-hunt until you find someone who'll rule in your favour?

Pathetic!

Being the 9th enquiry I think there are more lib mp's in fear of it being shown up for the witch hunt that it is.

Another bullshite Thread title.  I expect Grendel to come along shortly and condemn it.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 5:23pm:

Their families believe the $2.8 billion program - implemented by then-prime minister Kevin Rudd to inject money into the economy during the global financial crisis - was rushed and lacked adequate safety standards.

I think if that was my son I too would want REAL answers..not just findings..I dont know what will give these families peace but a Royal is about as high as it can go...so I am glad for them an d I trust it will bring them answers to their questions....not ours.

cods wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 5:23pm: Their families believe the $2.8 billion program - implemented by then-prime minister Kevin Rudd to inject money into the economy during the global financial crisis - was rushed and lacked adequate safety standards. I think if that was my son I too would want REAL answers..not just findings..I dont know what will give these families peace but a Royal is about as high as it can go...so I am glad for them an d I trust it will bring them answers to their questions....not ours.

You've HAD the answers.

More than once.

But it wasn't the answer you lot wanted to hear.

Hence, the witch-hunt.

;D..The inquiry doesnt include all of the deaths and injuries in the building industry...just a short period of installing insulation in roofs ;D

Burn the witch   :D

cods wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 5:23pm: Their families believe the $2.8 billion program - implemented by then-prime minister Kevin Rudd to inject money into the economy during the global financial crisis - was rushed and lacked adequate safety standards. I think if that was my son I too would want REAL answers..not just findings..I dont know what will give these families peace but a Royal is about as high as it can go...so I am glad for them an d I trust it will bring them answers to their questions....not ours.

Rubbish, cods.  There already have been a zillion Inquiries including several Inquests.  But......no worries, Abbott will go ahead with this, and we all know now what the outcome will be.

In all of political history, no Government has initiated a Royal Commission without first ensuring the outcome.  They decide the 'Terms of Reference,' they decide who leads it, and they decide who 'Counsel Assisting' will be.

The outcome will be..............no-one will be charged with any offence, just like the Cole Commission into the Building and Construction Industry which cost $70M (+-) and not one individual charged* (or relevant legislation) coming out of it. (*It was mooted some Union bloke who ignored a subpoena was to be charged, but I can't find any confirmation of that.) 

Lawyers made zillions, Cole who made plus zillions truly retired, and then abrogated himself from his absurd conclusions with the pathetic 'who me?' excuse, "I am retired now."

....and the dumb thing is, not even political advantage was taken by Hayseed's mob.......probably because Alan Jones made many programmes condemning the Findings, describing the several Volumes as having best use as 'door stoppers.'

You need to understand that Royal Commissions are nothing more than money handed to lawyers to produce exactly what the payer wants.

Aussie wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 6:23pm:

cods wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 5:39pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 5:23pm: Their families believe the $2.8 billion program - implemented by then-prime minister Kevin Rudd to inject money into the economy during the global financial crisis - was rushed and lacked adequate safety standards. I think if that was my son I too would want REAL answers..not just findings..I dont know what will give these families peace but a Royal is about as high as it can go...so I am glad for them an d I trust it will bring them answers to their questions....not ours. Rubbish, cods.  There already have been a zillion Inquiries including several Inquests.  But......no worries, Abbott will go ahead with this, and we all know now what the outcome will be. In all of political history, no Government has initiated a Royal Commission without first ensuring the outcome.  They decide the 'Terms of Reference,' they decide who leads it, and they decide who 'Counsel Assisting' will be. The outcome will be..............no-one will be charged with any offence, just like the Cole Commission into the Building and Construction Industry which cost $70M (+-) and not one individual charged* (or relevant legislation) coming out of it. (*It was mooted some Union bloke who ignored a subpoena was to be charged, but I can't find any confirmation of that.)  Lawyers made zillions, Cole who made plus zillions truly retired, and then abrogated himself from his absurd conclusions with the pathetic 'who me?' excuse, "I am retired now." ....and the dumb thing is, not even political advantage was taken by Hayseed's mob.......probably because Alan Jones made many programmes condemning the Findings, describing the several Volumes as having best use as 'door stoppers.' You need to understand that Royal Commissions are nothing more than money handed to lawyers to produce exactly what the payer wants.

+1   well said

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 6:35pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 6:23pm: cods wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 5:39pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 5:23pm: Their families believe the $2.8 billion program - implemented by then-prime minister Kevin Rudd to inject money into the economy during the global financial crisis - was rushed and lacked adequate safety standards. I think if that was my son I too would want REAL answers..not just findings..I dont know what will give these families peace but a Royal is about as high as it can go...so I am glad for them an d I trust it will bring them answers to their questions....not ours. Rubbish, cods.  There already have been a zillion Inquiries including several Inquests.  But......no worries, Abbott will go ahead with this, and we all know now what the outcome will be. In all of political history, no Government has initiated a Royal Commission without first ensuring the outcome.  They decide the 'Terms of Reference,' they decide who leads it, and they decide who 'Counsel Assisting' will be. The outcome will be..............no-one will be charged with any offence, just like the Cole Commission into the Building and Construction Industry which cost $70M (+-) and not one individual charged* (or relevant legislation) coming out of it. (*It was mooted some Union bloke who ignored a subpoena was to be charged, but I can't find any confirmation of that.)  Lawyers made zillions, Cole who made plus zillions truly retired, and then abrogated himself from his absurd conclusions with the pathetic 'who me?' excuse, "I am retired now." ....and the dumb thing is, not even political advantage was taken by Hayseed's mob.......probably because Alan Jones made many programmes condemning the Findings, describing the several Volumes as having best use as 'door stoppers.' You need to understand that Royal Commissions are nothing more than money handed to lawyers to produce exactly what the payer wants. +1   well said

Agreed, and it's sad that those for whom it was intended will either not read it, or not comprehend it if they do.

Labor fears Pink Batts inquiry findings

What the fourth or fifth enquiry - most likely the same result.

Nothing like the way the Liberals would justifiably fear an Iraq war enquiry.

Wasn't it LW who condemned someone on a dishonest title yesterday or the day before ???

Bet he turns up real soon with the Matty and Andrei twins to criticise Macca again.

It's about time the truth came out and charges laid...

How anyone can sweep these deaths under the carpet is despicable  >:(

True Blue... wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 6:59pm:

It's about time the truth came out and charges laid... How anyone can sweep these deaths under the carpet is despicable  >:(

The truth HAS 'come out'.

Several times.

You lot need to accept it, and STFU.

How anyone can justify this obvious and blatant witch-hunt is what's despicable.

A bald, ageing rock star might be able to provide a few documents to aid the Royal Commission.


Maqqa wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 5:23pm:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/20444588/pink-batts-inquiry-set-to-begin/ A Royal Commission of Inquiry into deaths and injuries linked to the Rudd government's home insulation scheme will begin on Monday in Brisbane. [...]

I call bull$hit on that statement. When was Kevin Rudd ever the Prime Minister of Australia?

Maqqa wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 5:23pm:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/20444588/pink-batts-inquiry-set-to-begin/ A Royal Commission of Inquiry into deaths and injuries linked to the Rudd government's home insulation scheme will begin on Monday in Brisbane. Four young men died while working on the roll-out of the so-called "pink batts" scheme set up in 2009. Three of the men were Queenslanders Matthew Fuller, Rueben Barnes, Mitchell Sweeney and the fourth New South Welshman Marcus Wilson. Their families believe the $2.8 billion program - implemented by then-prime minister Kevin Rudd to inject money into the economy during the global financial crisis - was rushed and lacked adequate safety standards. The inquiry will also investigate the affect the program had on the reputation and profits of long-standing home insulation businesses. Heading the Royal Commission is barrister and commercial dispute resolution practitioner Ian Hanger, QC. Mr Hange has until June 30 next year to provide a report of his findings and recommendations.

Where does it say in the article that Labor fear the inquiry dear? I think you mean Abbott fears being exposed by more women for bashing or indecently assaulting them hey? Sweet cheeks?

skippy. wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 7:06pm:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 5:23pm: http://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/20444588/pink-batts-inquiry-set-to-begin/ A Royal Commission of Inquiry into deaths and injuries linked to the Rudd government's home insulation scheme will begin on Monday in Brisbane. Four young men died while working on the roll-out of the so-called "pink batts" scheme set up in 2009. Three of the men were Queenslanders Matthew Fuller, Rueben Barnes, Mitchell Sweeney and the fourth New South Welshman Marcus Wilson. Their families believe the $2.8 billion program - implemented by then-prime minister Kevin Rudd to inject money into the economy during the global financial crisis - was rushed and lacked adequate safety standards. The inquiry will also investigate the affect the program had on the reputation and profits of long-standing home insulation businesses. Heading the Royal Commission is barrister and commercial dispute resolution practitioner Ian Hanger, QC. Mr Hange has until June 30 next year to provide a report of his findings and recommendations. Where does it say in the article that Labor fear the inquiry dear? I think you mean Abbott fears being exposed by more women for bashing or indecently assaulting them hey? Sweet cheeks?

Maqqas been at the Christmas Sherry a tad early this year  :D

Judicial Inquiry into pink batts scheme
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Treasurer Joe Hockey has added to calls for a judicial inquiry into the home insulation fiasco to include witnesses from the senior ranks of the first Rudd Government, including Kevin Rudd himself.

Mr Hockey said on Sunday that no one should be immune from giving evidence about the so-called pink batts scheme in which four young men died.

"I don't think anyone should be excluded from providing full and frank and honest evidence in front of a judicial inquiry," he said.

According to reports, the draft terms of reference for the inquiry call for a full explanation of the then government's decisions about the $2.8 billion program, and if any steps could have been taken to avoid the deaths of four young insulation installers.

Mitchell Sweeney, Marcus Wilson, Matthew Fuller and Rueben Barnes died between 2009 and 2010 while working on jobs funded by the capital spending program at the height of the global financial crisis.

"The judicial commission is to be conducted in such a manner as to enable the families of the deceased tradesmen and all others who have suffered loss and damage (to get) the maximum transparency and access to information disclosed by the evidence before it," the terms of reference say.

The ten terms of reference include:

- The process and basis of government decisions while establishing the program, including risk assessment and risk management;

- Whether the death of the four men could have been avoided;

- What if any advice or undertakings given by the government to the industry were inaccurate or deficient, and;

- What steps the government should have taken to avoid the tragedies.

If Mr Rudd is called it is almost certain that his then environment minister Peter Garrett will also be called to give evidence and former senator Mark Arbib who was parliamentary secretary to the minister and worked on designing and delivering the program.


it could bring some answers to the families..concerned... why is that not important to the left????

Why the panic if there are no problems?

cods wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 7:46pm:

Judicial Inquiry into pink batts scheme 27 Oct, 2013 01:14 PM Print Increase Text Size Decrease Text Size Comments 0  Treasurer Joe Hockey has added to calls for a judicial inquiry into the home insulation fiasco to include witnesses from the senior ranks of the first Rudd Government, including Kevin Rudd himself. Mr Hockey said on Sunday that no one should be immune from giving evidence about the so-called pink batts scheme in which four young men died. "I don't think anyone should be excluded from providing full and frank and honest evidence in front of a judicial inquiry," he said. According to reports, the draft terms of reference for the inquiry call for a full explanation of the then government's decisions about the $2.8 billion program, and if any steps could have been taken to avoid the deaths of four young insulation installers. Mitchell Sweeney, Marcus Wilson, Matthew Fuller and Rueben Barnes died between 2009 and 2010 while working on jobs funded by the capital spending program at the height of the global financial crisis. "The judicial commission is to be conducted in such a manner as to enable the families of the deceased tradesmen and all others who have suffered loss and damage (to get) the maximum transparency and access to information disclosed by the evidence before it," the terms of reference say. The ten terms of reference include: - The process and basis of government decisions while establishing the program, including risk assessment and risk management; - Whether the death of the four men could have been avoided; - What if any advice or undertakings given by the government to the industry were inaccurate or deficient, and; - What steps the government should have taken to avoid the tragedies. If Mr Rudd is called it is almost certain that his then environment minister Peter Garrett will also be called to give evidence and former senator Mark Arbib who was parliamentary secretary to the minister and worked on designing and delivering the program. it could bring some answers to the families..concerned... why is that not important to the left????

For the second time THIS THREAD, you've HAD the answers.

MORE THAN ONCE!

Don't like the answers.

smacking sad. That's YOUR problem, no-one else's.

Accept the ref's decision, suck it down, and STFU.

You lot simply make yourselves look like the pathetic grubs you are
in persisting with this obviously vindictive charade.

adelcrow wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 7:09pm:

[quote author=skippee link=1387697014/15#15 date=1387703215][quote author=Maqqa link=1387697014/0#0 dateMaqqas been at the Christmas Sherry a tad early this year  :D

And I suspect he's not been the only one... ↑↑↑

miketrees wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 7:56pm:

Why the panic if there are no problems?

There is no panic, as there never should be whenever a Royal Commission is commenced.  The outcome is known now:

1.  Rudd/Garret failed in some way or other.
2.  *The LNP don't care what 2 is, all they want is 1.*
3.  *The LNP don't care what 3 is, all they want is 1.*
4.  *The LNP don't care what 4 is, all they want is 1.*
5.  *The LNP don't care what 5 is, all they want is 1.*
6.  *The LNP don't care what 6 is, all they want is 1.*
7.  *The LNP don't care what 7 is, all they want is 1.*
8.  *The LNP don't care what 8 is, all they want is 1.*
9.   Oh, and by the way, it seems four blokes died, did they?  Well, we think they did but we are not being paid to worry too much about that.  Rudd/Garret are arseholes.

*We did good, hey Phoney, and here's me bill.*

The whole home insulation beat up is just a furphy created by the then opposition. Quite successfully too and help by a government without the nous to defend itself.

Tragic as it is that four workers were killed, the rate of workers killed per installation was no different under the previous government. the only difference being less fatalities because there were less installations.

2000 to 2008 there were about 67 - 70000 houses insulated per year. An average of 80 fires per year resulted. During the rollout in the program, 210 fires resulted from 1.25 million installs.

I doubt that the ALP will be shaking in their boots since they can reasonably show that safety standards actually improved. Too stupid to show while in government but evidence in a royal commission is a different animal.

This is all fine.  But when are we gong to get a royal commission into the war on Iraq?  I'm sure those families would like to understand why their kids lost their lives. 

Oh wait never mind, our "intelligence", mr Howard, asserted it was due to wmds.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 10:10pm:

This is all fine.  But when are we gong to get a royal commission into the war on Iraq?  I'm sure those families would like to understand why their kids lost their lives.  Oh wait never mind, our "intelligence", mr Howard, asserted it was due to wmds.

Sorry Maqqa, missed your post, not lining up to white ant your subject, cheers the Baron :)

Seems the only promise Abbott can actually keep is to organise a political witch hunt.

Says a lot about the mans priorities for the country.

;D ;D ;D
Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 2:11pm:

Seems the only promise Abbott can actually keep is to organise a political witch hunt. Says a lot about the mans priorities for the country.

;D ;D ;D ;D

;D ;D
woody2014 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 2:17pm:

;D ;D ;D Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2013 at 2:11pm: Seems the only promise Abbott can actually keep is to organise a political witch hunt. Says a lot about the mans priorities for the country. ;D ;D ;D ;D

The ALP deciding to open up an insulation business on the side was always going to end in tears, almost everyone on planet earth could have told them that but listening to reason has never been their strong point   ;D

Are we going to have a royal commission into all the boat people they killed too?

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 4:36pm:

The ALP deciding to open up an insulation business on the side was always going to end in tears, almost everyone on planet earth could have told them that but listening to reason has never been their strong point   ;D

stay of the plonk ... I doubt you make sense to yourself

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 4:44pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 23rd, 2013 at 4:36pm: The ALP deciding to open up an insulation business on the side was always going to end in tears, almost everyone on planet earth could have told them that but listening to reason has never been their strong point   ;D stay of the plonk ... I doubt you make sense to yourself

Sorry I forgot you were residing in the looney left alternative universe, for your benefit I should have said ... The Rudd governments decision to enter the insulation market in order to placate non existent global warming and a non existent Australian financial crises was a brilliant idea even if it did kill four people, decimate the legitimate industry and burn down hundreds of homes and I feel we should do it all over again in a heart beat    ;D


Leftys hey, how did they get this stupid?  ;D

There is media speculation as to whether Rudd and/or Garret have been subpoenaed.  Of greater interest to me is *who may have been advised by the Commission that adverse findings may be made against them.  *The most accurate, yet not bullet proof, way to determine that is to establish who has sought leave to be represented at the Commission. 

Just saw a Ch. 9 News promo suggesting Rudd has been subpoenaed.  That News (in full) is ten minutes away.

Of no real relevance, unless he has also been notified.*

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 5:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 23rd, 2013 at 4:44pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 23rd, 2013 at 4:36pm: The ALP deciding to open up an insulation business on the side was always going to end in tears, almost everyone on planet earth could have told them that but listening to reason has never been their strong point   ;D stay of the plonk ... I doubt you make sense to yourself Sorry I forgot you were residing in the looney left alternative universe, for your benefit I should have said ... The Rudd governments decision to enter the insulation market in order to placate non existent global warming and a non existent Australian financial crises was a brilliant idea even if it did kill four people, decimate the legitimate industry and burn down hundreds of homes and I feel we should do it all over again in a heart beat    ;D Leftys hey, how did they get this stupid?  ;D

probably started following the righties ..

burn down hundreds of homes? Listening to Bolty again were you?  ;D ;D ;D

Interesting observation

(1) Pink Batts death were between 2009 and 2010
(2) Senior Ministers involved were Garrett, Gillard and Rudd
(3) Albo and Shorten were all major backers of Rudd and Gillard respectively
(4) Albo and Shorten are now in senior ALP positions

The ten terms of reference include:

- The process and basis of government decisions while establishing the program, including risk assessment and risk management;

- Whether the death of the four men could have been avoided;

- What if any advice or undertakings given by the government to the industry were inaccurate or deficient, and;

- What steps the government should have taken to avoid the tragedies.

If Mr Rudd is called it is almost certain that his then environment minister Peter Garrett will also be called to give evidence and former senator Mark Arbib who was parliamentary secretary to the minister and worked on designing and delivering the program.

Aussie wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 5:51pm:

There is media speculation as to whether Rudd and/or Garret have been subpoenaed.  Of greater interest to me is *who may have been advised by the Commission that adverse findings may be made against them.  *The most accurate, yet not bullet proof, way to determine that is to establish who has sought leave to be represented at the Commission.  Just saw a Ch. 9 News promo suggesting Rudd has been subpoenaed.  That News (in full) is ten minutes away. Of no real relevance, unless he has also been notified.*

Nah......the misleading schmedia arseholes refer only to 'calls' that he appear.  Geez, they sheet me.

I haven't looked.  Has anyone done a search to find out who sought leave to appear?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 2:11pm:

Seems the only promise Abbott can actually keep is to organise a political witch hunt. Says a lot about the mans priorities for the country.

you have said plenty about other inquiries  that probably includes the coroners report,..but can you link up where Krudd or Garrett or Combet actually fronted one of these inquiries??? actually swore to tell the truth and nothing but the truth...amen..

this you see is what I see these families would like to happen!

have real people answering real questions...questions they have had in their hearts for 4 years.

that isnt a witch hunt...


it was a recommendation from the senate investigation????........ way back in 2010..A ROYAL COMMISSION..no ifs or buts..

Maqqa wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 5:55pm:

Interesting observation (1) Pink Batts death were between 2009 and 2010 (2) Senior Ministers involved were Garrett, Gillard and Rudd (3) Albo and Shorten were all major backers of Rudd and Gillard respectively (4) Albo and Shorten are now in senior ALP positions

None of “Garrett, Gillard and Rudd” are now in the Parliament. It won’t affect day to day politics.

One of the four installers that were killed went out and bought a metal stapler in place of the plastic one he was issued—faster. Whose fault was that?

The first installer to die was sent into a hot ceiling space by his boss who left him up there far too long. Whose fault was that? The other three all died in Queensland where regulations regarding electrical wiring have long been ignored. Whose fault was that? States had control of OH&S laws but were they vigorously enforced? Whose fault was that?

The program had many less fires per thousand installs than insulation retrofitted in the years up to the HIP. That sounds impressive. The industry is now better regulated, thanks to regulations Garret brought in at the start of the HIP—great! It is still one of the most dangerous of jobs in that most dangerous of industries—construction!

Now the Libs are playing on the feelings of those parents. After the many dollars have been paid to the RC and his council assisting, after the reams of paper—those four young men are still dead at the end of it. The parents will find the RC will bring none of the “closure” being talked about. It will not give them the vengeance that they really want either so what is the point of it?

The point of the RC is to be a unicorn—so as the economy keeps sinking into recession and even depression the stinking Libs can point and say—“Oh look, a unicorn over there!” A cruel deception of the four parents, but hey the Libs never do give a stuff about the damage they do.

Where a RC might be fruitful is the collapse of the brick wall built by a Grollo company—killed three people who just happened to be walking past it at the time.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 6:00pm:

The ten terms of reference include: - The process and basis of government decisions while establishing the program, including risk assessment and risk management; - Whether the death of the four men could have been avoided; - What if any advice or undertakings given by the government to the industry were inaccurate or deficient, and; - What steps the government should have taken to avoid the tragedies. If Mr Rudd is called it is almost certain that his then environment minister Peter Garrett will also be called to give evidence and former senator Mark Arbib who was parliamentary secretary to the minister and worked on designing and delivering the program.

did I read where subpoenas had been sent out..??..

cods wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

did I read where subpoenas had been sent out..??..

If you have you can give us the link ??

Dnarever wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 8:03am:

cods wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 7:59am: did I read where subpoenas had been sent out..??.. If you have you can give us the link ??

They have not been sent out yet

woody2014 wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 8:08am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 8:03am: cods wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 7:59am: did I read where subpoenas had been sent out..??.. If you have you can give us the link ?? They have not been sent out yet

Yeas, they have according to the media.  76 was the number I believe.

Click here.

the judge is calling for whistleblowers in the public service to come forward.. and tell what they know in secret  behind locked doors.. ::) ::) No Media..

the public service is one huge cauldron of dobbing in..this should be interesting to see what  reaction he gets..

You know what could have avoided the deaths of a couple of the young men, turning off the smacking power before going into a roof cavity, a roof cavity that you were putting nails into areas you cant see!!

Safety switches save lives, and stop fires.  Why is it so hard for people to think a little?

they didn't get electrocuted because they were using nails, in fact, you don't use nails when installing insullation in an attic ...

they got electrocuted because they were using sheet foil insullation (which is designed to go between the roof trusses and colorbond sheeting, not into attic spaces) and laying it across the top of the lights poking up throught the ceiling. Since the insullation is coated in foil, it created a cicuit. Anyone touching it is toast.

John Smith wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 1:59pm:

they didn't get electrocuted because they were using nails, in fact, you don't use nails when installing insullation in an attic ... they got electrocuted because they were using sheet foil insullation (which is designed to go between the roof trusses and colorbond sheeting, not into attic spaces) and laying it across the top of the lights poking up throught the ceiling. Since the insullation is coated in foil, it created a cicuit. Anyone touching it is toast.

It was my understanding he made the whole area live by putting a stable through the foil to hold it in place and struck an electrical wire.

Verge wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 2:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 1:59pm: they didn't get electrocuted because they were using nails, in fact, you don't use nails when installing insullation in an attic ... they got electrocuted because they were using sheet foil insullation (which is designed to go between the roof trusses and colorbond sheeting, not into attic spaces) and laying it across the top of the lights poking up throught the ceiling. Since the insullation is coated in foil, it created a cicuit. Anyone touching it is toast. It was my understanding he made the whole area live by putting a stable through the foil to hold it in place and struck an electrical wire.

he may have done, but only because he was using the wrong insullation. FOIL is not supposed to be used in attic spaces. If the job were done properly, they would have used batts and simply pushed them into the cavities between the joists ... no staples or nails needed to hold anything in place a gravity keeps it there.

Focus of Home Insulation Royal Commission must be to increase safety for workers: Unions
23 December, 2013 | Media Release The ACTU is urging the Royal Commission into the Home Insulation Program to focus on what can be done to increase safety for workers.

ACTU Assistant Secretary Michael Borowick said the Royal Commission presented an opportunity to toughen workplace safety laws to help reduce the number of unnecessary injuries and fatalities in the workplace.

“The sole focus of this Royal Commission must be to improve safety for Australian workers,” Mr Borowick said.

“The community has no appetite for a costly political witch hunt at the expense of constructive outcomes on safety for workers.

“The ACTU calls on the Royal Commission to recommend the introduction of Industrial Manslaughter legislation, tougher penalties for employers that breach existing legislation and increased resources for regulators.

“Industrial Manslaughter laws have the potential to change community attitudes around criminally reckless negligence at work and ultimately reduce workplace deaths.

“There must also be tougher penalties for employers that breach legislation and put the safety of their workforce at risk.

“This must also be accompanied by an increase in resources for regulators to undertake their role in ensuring stringent safety standards are met.

“Every Australian should be able to go to work in the knowledge that they’ll return home safely that night.

“This Royal Commission presents an opportunity for meaningful reform in a critical area and this opportunity must not be wasted.”

wrote on Dec 25^th, 2013 at 5:29pm:

Focus of Home Insulation Royal Commission must be to increase safety for workers: Unions 23 December, 2013 | Media Release The ACTU is urging the Royal Commission into the Home Insulation Program to focus on what can be done to increase safety for workers. ACTU Assistant Secretary Michael Borowick said the Royal Commission presented an opportunity to toughen workplace safety laws to help reduce the number of unnecessary injuries and fatalities in the workplace. “The sole focus of this Royal Commission must be to improve safety for Australian workers,” Mr Borowick said. “The community has no appetite for a costly political witch hunt at the expense of constructive outcomes on safety for workers. “The ACTU calls on the Royal Commission to recommend the introduction of Industrial Manslaughter legislation, tougher penalties for employers that breach existing legislation and increased resources for regulators. “Industrial Manslaughter laws have the potential to change community attitudes around criminally reckless negligence at work and ultimately reduce workplace deaths. “There must also be tougher penalties for employers that breach legislation and put the safety of their workforce at risk. “This must also be accompanied by an increase in resources for regulators to undertake their role in ensuring stringent safety standards are met. “Every Australian should be able to go to work in the knowledge that they’ll return home safely that night. “This Royal Commission presents an opportunity for meaningful reform in a critical area and this opportunity must not be wasted.”

Yeas, good point.  Rudd/Swan said "Here is some money we reckon will help keep us protected from the GFC.  Spend it wisely..............and safely."

The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt.

It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 5:28am:

The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt. It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history.

so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear..

it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,..

these people have nothing..

I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that,

TIM PALMER: An inquest into the deaths of three people killed during the Rudd government's controversial pink batts scheme has been told that to guarantee safety an installation company would have had to give up on making a profit.

The three who died - the youngest of them 16, the oldest 25 - were using metal staples to lay electrically conductive insulation in 2009 and 2010 when the practice had already been banned in New Zealand.

One of the companies involved told the inquest it wasn't made compulsory to turn off power to residences, because it would have been too costly.

And a State Government electrical safety manager acknowledged his department knew the risks of metal staples but didn't issue a warning until after the first death.

Annie Guest reports from the Brisbane coroner's court.

ANNIE GUEST: The so-called pink batts scheme was one of the Rudd government's economic stimulus measures during the global financial crisis. But it went badly wrong when four people died installing the roof insulation.

One New South Wales death was caused by heat exhaustion, and three Queenslanders were electrocuted in 2009 and 2010. The workers were aged 16, 22 and 25 when they died laying electrically conductive foil insulation in roofs.

A coronial inquest in Brisbane is examining why it wasn't mandatory to turn off the power. Why metal staples were allowed to be used when they had already been banned in New Zealand, training and supervision standards and Federal and State Government responses.

Today, three family members associated with one of the installation company, QHI gave evidence about the death of employee Matthew Fuller. The inquest heard they'd seen an opportunity to obtain work through the Government scheme.

Ben McKay was a trained electrician and 19 years old when he was the director of QHI. He took on the role because his father was banned from holding such a position because of unrelated proceedings under bankruptcy law.

Ben McKay said it was his role to ensure on-the-job safety for the unqualified insulation installers. One of the greatest dangers was the risk of putting a metal staple through a live cable.

Under questioning from counsel for Matthew Fuller's family, Ben McKay acknowledged it was possible to make installation 100 per cent safe by disconnecting power from the mains source. However, he agreed the reason this wasn't routinely done was because the work involved would have made it impossible to make a profit.

Ben McKay acknowledged he had been aware of up to four instances where staples had been put through cables before Mr Fuller's death. Those incidents hadn't resulted in deaths.

Matthew Fuller had less than two weeks' training. The inquest has heard training was either provided by QHI or a representative from the company QHI contracted to, called Vision and Network.

Vision was a telemarketing company that branched out to take part in the so-called pink batts scheme, and did so by subcontracting QHI to do the work. Yesterday, a Vision representative said the installation trainers' course was impossible to fail because the trainer provided participants with the answers.

Also today, the inquest heard from the Queensland Government's then regional manager of electrical safety compliance, Michael Gibson. He acknowledged he'd held concerns three months before Mr Fuller's death and had spoken to his manager.

He was grilled by counsel for Mr Fuller's family, Richard Berry SC, about why it took a death for a warning to be issued to the industry. Mr Gibson said steps were being taken to respond to problems. He couldn't say what if any communication had taken place with Commonwealth officials. He also said some old homes don't have safety switches, and it's not mandatory to fit them retrospectively in Queensland.

Family and friends watched on intently sometimes sighing as they looked across two bar tables of lawyers to the witness chair.

The inquest continues.

TIM PALMER: Annie Guest reporting.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2013/s3754863.htm

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 6:07am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:28am: The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt. It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history. so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear.. it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,.. these people have nothing.. I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that,

What utter crap!!

That's PRECISELY what it is, and you bloody-well know it.

The only spitefulness being exhibited here is coming from the Right.

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 6:07am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:28am: The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt. It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history. so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear.. it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,.. these people have nothing.. I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that,

What do they deserve?

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 6:07am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:28am: The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt. It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history. so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear.. it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,.. these people have nothing.. I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that,

It is the government using this as a political toy which is disrespectful and hurtful  to the families.

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 6:07am:

it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well

rubbish ... whats cruel to the families is continually dragging this back into the limelight ... let them move on. There have been more than enough enquiries, all with pretty much the same conclusion. 

Tony just wants something that he thinks will be bad for labor on the front page so that he's not on it. Typical distraction tactics, and idiots like you fall for it.

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:53am:

cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:07am: Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:28am: The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt. It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history. so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear.. it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,.. these people have nothing.. I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that, What do they deserve?

Justice

These people signed up to instal Pink Batts - not Iraq

BTW - how many Australians died in the Iraq war?

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:25am:

cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:07am: Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:28am: The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt. It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history. so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear.. it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,.. these people have nothing.. I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that, It is the government using this as a political toy which is disrespectful and hurtful  to the families.

THEY HAVE ASKED FOR IT.. DNA EXPLAIN THAT?

Maqqa wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:32am:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 7:53am: cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:07am: Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:28am: The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt. It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history. so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear.. it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,.. these people have nothing.. I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that, What do they deserve? Justice These people signed up to instal Pink Batts - not Iraq BTW - how many Australians died in the Iraq war?

AHHH GOOD OLD JUSTICE

  TO A LEFTY THAT MEANS SWEEPING IT UNDER THE CARPET OR SHREDDING IT..


a young man takes an opportunity to earn some money which is one of the purposes behind the pinkbatts program...

and he dies...... oh well.. lets move on ::)

someone has pointed a finger at someone or whoever! doesnt matter  whom  ::)  its over keep moving..

the grieving had their  5 minutes to ask questions???... didnt get any real answers?? .. tough!subjects closed. >:(


we lost NO Australian personnel to enemy fire in Iraq.they still havent figured that out either.

we lost a lot more sadly in  Afghanistan. :(

We must remember it was the Howard government, that sent Australia to the illegal Iraq war.      :(

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:47am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:32am: Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 7:53am: cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:07am: Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:28am: The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt. It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history. so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear.. it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,.. these people have nothing.. I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that, What do they deserve? Justice These people signed up to instal Pink Batts - not Iraq BTW - how many Australians died in the Iraq war? AHHH GOOD OLD JUSTICE   TO A LEFTY THAT MEANS SWEEPING IT UNDER THE CARPET OR SHREDDING IT.. a young man takes an opportunity to earn some money which is one of the purposes behind the pinkbatts program... and he dies...... oh well.. lets move on ::) someone has pointed a finger at someone or whoever! doesnt matter  whom  ::)  its over keep moving.. the grieving had their  5 minutes to ask questions???... didnt get any real answers?? .. tough!subjects closed. >:( we lost NO Australian personnel to enemy fire in Iraq.they still havent figured that out either. we lost a lot more sadly in  Afghanistan. :(

Rubbish!

There has ALREADY been more than one enquiry, INCLUDING a Coroner's enquiry.

None have given you the answer you want to hear, so you keep changing referees
in the hope one will eventually deliver what you want them to say.

It is the Coalition who's in the wrong here, not Labor or the Left.

STFU, and move on.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:32am:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 7:53am: cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:07am: Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:28am: The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt. It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history. so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear.. it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,.. these people have nothing.. I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that, What do they deserve? Justice These people signed up to instal Pink Batts - not Iraq BTW - how many Australians died in the Iraq war?

how is going on a political witch hunt justice?   :D :D :D

Maqqa wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:32am:

BTW - how many Australians died in the Iraq war?

how many died working in the construction Industry since Abbott came to govt? Are we going to have a royal to decide if Abbott could have done things differently?

Cods, exactly what is this 'justice' you refer to.  Put some body to that notion.  What is the practical, tangible thing you call 'justice' in this case?

This whole exercise is just a cynical political ploy by the shambles. They have cruelly played on the feelings of these families. When it is all over and nothing new has been found—what of the families then? Will they finally accept their sons are dead or will some shyster talk them into private court action?

Rudd handled this badly, not meeting with the families at the time then trying to pull a beatty and accept blame and demote Garrett. However—we will always have insensitive political clowns around—just look at the simian! Apparently one of the families is a Liberal supporting one, were easily talked into wanting the RC. It will not benefit them or the Libs one bit.

One or more of the 3 men who died in Qld bought metal staples because they didn’t like the plastic ones, too slow to use. Who is to blame there?

Bah, just dirty “peanut” politics, a Lib specialty!

Maqqa wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:32am:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 7:53am: cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:07am: Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:28am: The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt. It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history. so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear.. it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,.. these people have nothing.. I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that, What do they deserve? Justice These people signed up to instal Pink Batts - not Iraq BTW - how many Australians died in the Iraq war?

How many people died during the Iraq war due to our PM's lie supported decision?

Quote:

How many people died during the Iraq war due to our PM's lie supported decision?

No Australians as a result of action.  Three died in 'accidents.'  Squillins of others of course.  But that has SFA to do with this Thread.

Happy with going into Iraq.

A country ignored resolutions for 13 years. Time had run out so we went in. Fine by me.

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Quote: How many people died during the Iraq war due to our PM's lie supported decision? No Australians as a result of action.  Three died in 'accidents.'  Squillins of others of course.  But that has SFA to do with this Thread.

So it does not matter how many deaths our leader is responsible for as long as they are not Australians?

Seems funny that the same standard only applies to boat people when the conservatives are in government.

Labor fears Pink Batts inquiry findings

Wonder how the ABCC enquiry will go ???

Every year they have been in operation so far has seen an increase in workplace deaths.

What is the bet that Abbott's ABCC will get the same result ????

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Quote: How many people died during the Iraq war due to our PM's lie supported decision? No Australians as a result of action.  Three died in 'accidents.'  Squillins of others of course.  But that has SFA to do with this Thread.

Why would you think that a future sewer dwelling government would not reciprocate the actions of this group of sewer dwellers ???

I would think that the possible direct results of this political witch hunt are valid to the topic.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 10:08am: Quote: How many people died during the Iraq war due to our PM's lie supported decision? No Australians as a result of action.  Three died in 'accidents.'  Squillins of others of course.  But that has SFA to do with this Thread. Why would you think that a future sewer dwelling government would not reciprocate the actions of this group of sewer dwellers ??? I would think that the possible direct results of this political witch hunt are valid to the topic.

Questioning the reasons behind, benefit, relevance or necessity of this Inquiry is not enhanced by attacking the lack of Inquiry into Iraq, or any other matter.

I agree with Aussie there.

Some of the linkages made on here are tenuous at best.

Full terms of reference here.....

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/home-insulation-inquiry-wont-repeat-earlier-probes-20131223-2zu39.html

"I will investigate the former government" appears to be the theme of the enquiry.....Lets hope the families get what ever they are looking for???

:-? :-? :-?

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 10:08am: Quote: How many people died during the Iraq war due to our PM's lie supported decision? No Australians as a result of action.  Three died in 'accidents.'  Squillins of others of course.  But that has SFA to do with this Thread. Why would you think that a future sewer dwelling government would not reciprocate the actions of this group of sewer dwellers ??? I would think that the possible direct results of this political witch hunt are valid to the topic.

the WAR IN AFGHANISTAN.....

2001/2007... 4 Australian soldiers die.. one  serving with the British forces.. serving their country

2008/2013.. 37 soldiers die...serving their country..

SO WHATS THE POINT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE HERE???? >:( >:(


WILL WE mention those poor souls that DIED at SEA during the years 2007/2013?????

will we have an INVESTIGATION into that DEBACLE as well???? >:( >:(

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 10:18am: Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 10:08am: Quote: How many people died during the Iraq war due to our PM's lie supported decision? No Australians as a result of action.  Three died in 'accidents.'  Squillins of others of course.  But that has SFA to do with this Thread. Why would you think that a future sewer dwelling government would not reciprocate the actions of this group of sewer dwellers ??? I would think that the possible direct results of this political witch hunt are valid to the topic. Questioning the reasons behind, benefit, relevance or necessity of this Inquiry is not enhanced by attacking the lack of Inquiry into Iraq, or any other matter.

Nobody is questioning the lack of other enquiries just pointing out that this politically generated witch hunt could conceivable result in others in the future.

Quote:

Nobody is questioning the lack of other enquiries just pointing out that this politically generated witch hunt could conceivable result in others in the future.

Agree with that.  That 'tall glass of water' (as Karnal calls him) Mr Abbott has opened Pandora's Box.  The ALP have very long memories and one of the greatest political (and petty) motivators is revenge.

If this Commission burns Rudd and or Garrett and or the last Government the gloves will come off.  This is a first, a very bad precedent and when Government changes, you can rely on the ALP and its corporate memory to go after their opponents.

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:14pm:

Quote: Nobody is questioning the lack of other enquiries just pointing out that this politically generated witch hunt could conceivable result in others in the future. Agree with that.  That 'tall glass of water' (as Karnal calls him) Mr Abbott has opened Pandora's Box.  The ALP have very long memories and one of the greatest political (and petty) motivators is revenge. If this Commission burns Rudd and or Garrett and or the last Government the gloves will come off.  This is a first, a very bad precedent and when Government changes, you can rely on the ALP and its corporate memory to go after their opponents.

yeah but cods will stand by her (new) hero....   she perjurers herself every day in his defence

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:13am:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 10:08am: Quote: How many people died during the Iraq war due to our PM's lie supported decision? No Australians as a result of action.  Three died in 'accidents.'  Squillins of others of course.  But that has SFA to do with this Thread. So it does not matter how many deaths our leader is responsible for as long as they are not Australians? Seems funny that the same standard only applies to boat people when the conservatives are in government.

ah that old acid stomach playing up again..

did we declare WAR on boat people.??? did they try to come in armed to the teeth...????????...thats strange..we usually  send armed men into battle with other armed men..

maybe not if the left are in govt..

they just invite them to come by unsafe boats and if you are lucky to get close.. then we will put you in camps that THEY claimed THEY would close.. but then found THEY  were in need of BUILDING more..

oh well in the strange world of Labor.. building detention centres helps with unemployment.. ::) ::)

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:14pm: Quote: Nobody is questioning the lack of other enquiries just pointing out that this politically generated witch hunt could conceivable result in others in the future. Agree with that.  That 'tall glass of water' (as Karnal calls him) Mr Abbott has opened Pandora's Box.  The ALP have very long memories and one of the greatest political (and petty) motivators is revenge. If this Commission burns Rudd and or Garrett and or the last Government the gloves will come off.  This is a first, a very bad precedent and when Government changes, you can rely on the ALP and its corporate memory to go after their opponents. yeah but cods will stand by her (new) hero....   she perjurers herself every day in his defence

OH LOOK EVERYONE ITS 'DiCKHEAD'

I do believe he has the "HOTS " for cods..

cant stop talking about her....

what a good job I have better taste.. :D :D

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:25am: cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:07am: Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:28am: The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt. It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history. so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear.. it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,.. these people have nothing.. I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that, It is the government using this as a political toy which is disrespectful and hurtful  to the families. THEY HAVE ASKED FOR IT.. DNA EXPLAIN THAT?

hey dna you may have missed this one????

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 4:52pm:

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:46pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:14pm: Quote: Nobody is questioning the lack of other enquiries just pointing out that this politically generated witch hunt could conceivable result in others in the future. Agree with that.  That 'tall glass of water' (as Karnal calls him) Mr Abbott has opened Pandora's Box.  The ALP have very long memories and one of the greatest political (and petty) motivators is revenge. If this Commission burns Rudd and or Garrett and or the last Government the gloves will come off.  This is a first, a very bad precedent and when Government changes, you can rely on the ALP and its corporate memory to go after their opponents. yeah but cods will stand by her (new) hero....   she perjurers herself every day in his defence OH LOOK EVERYONE ITS 'DiCKHEAD' I do believe he has the "HOTS " for cods.. cant stop talking about her.... what a good job I have better taste.. :D :D

roflmao

well done cods,

that was probably the best comeback I have seen from you.

pity you cant actually respond to the serious posts.

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 5:36pm:

roflmao well done cods, that was probably the best comeback I have seen from you. pity you cant actually respond to the serious posts.

what serious post have YOU posted???? it must have been a one off.. and I missed it shucks>

rolling on the floor aint a pretty sight either for someone your age

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:36am: Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:25am: cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:07am: Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:28am: The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt. It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history. so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear.. it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,.. these people have nothing.. I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that, It is the government using this as a political toy which is disrespectful and hurtful  to the families. THEY HAVE ASKED FOR IT.. DNA EXPLAIN THAT? hey dna you may have missed this one????

And when they don't get the result they want the Libs will get them to ask again and again, why not keep their misery going indefinatly.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

And when they don't get the result they want the Libs will get them to ask again and again, why not keep their misery going indefinatly.

SO YOU ARE SAYING ITS THE FAMILIES THAT ARE DOING THE WITCH HUNTING????? >:( >:( >:(

nice way to treat grieving families. >:(..but then bitterness does that to some people..

4 young men dead... lets ignore it... they dont mean anything to lefties thats for sure what do we care..pfffftttt.

just make sure rudd and gillard are safe as houses.... so to speak.  :'(..

your idols will have feet of clay make no mistake about that...

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 9:09am:

Cods, exactly what is this 'justice' you refer to.  Put some body to that notion.  What is the practical, tangible thing you call 'justice' in this case?

cods?

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

SO YOU ARE SAYING ITS THE FAMILIES THAT ARE DOING THE WITCH HUNTING?????

grieving families are hardly the most suited to decide who does what ... they usually want answers that don't exist or revenge because they feel wronged. Its a normal part of grieving.

My grandmother was still calling for investigations 30yrs after her son was murdered, why because she couldn't accept the answers she was given .

Whilst it's perfectly natural, the politicians should not be using it for point scoring.

And AGAIN...

"There has ALREADY been more than one enquiry, INCLUDING a Coroner's enquiry.

None have given you the answer you want to hear, so you keep changing referees
in the hope one will eventually deliver what you want them to say.

It is the Coalition who's in the wrong here, not Labor or the Left.

Move on."

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 7:20pm: And when they don't get the result they want the Libs will get them to ask again and again, why not keep their misery going indefinatly. SO YOU ARE SAYING ITS THE FAMILIES THAT ARE DOING THE WITCH HUNTING????? >:( >:( >:( nice way to treat grieving families. >:(..but then bitterness does that to some people.. 4 young men dead... lets ignore it... they dont mean anything to lefties thats for sure what do we care..pfffftttt. just make sure rudd and gillard are safe as houses.... so to speak.  :'(.. your idols will have feet of clay make no mistake about that...

SO YOU ARE SAYING ITS THE FAMILIES THAT ARE DOING THE WITCH HUNTING

No

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 4:55pm: cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:36am: Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:25am: cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:07am: Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:28am: The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt. It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history. so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear.. it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,.. these people have nothing.. I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that, It is the government using this as a political toy which is disrespectful and hurtful  to the families. THEY HAVE ASKED FOR IT.. DNA EXPLAIN THAT? hey dna you may have missed this one???? And when they don't get the result they want the Libs will get them to ask again and again, why not keep their misery going indefinatly.

just answer the question..

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:34pm:

cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 7:32pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 7:20pm: And when they don't get the result they want the Libs will get them to ask again and again, why not keep their misery going indefinatly. SO YOU ARE SAYING ITS THE FAMILIES THAT ARE DOING THE WITCH HUNTING????? >:( >:( >:( nice way to treat grieving families. >:(..but then bitterness does that to some people.. 4 young men dead... lets ignore it... they dont mean anything to lefties thats for sure what do we care..pfffftttt. just make sure rudd and gillard are safe as houses.... so to speak.  :'(.. your idols will have feet of clay make no mistake about that... SO YOU ARE SAYING ITS THE FAMILIES THAT ARE DOING THE WITCH HUNTING No

REALLY.. not how it looks..... you are basically saying


IF THEY DONT GET THE ANSWERS THEY WANT..????

THEN THEY WILL PERSUADE THE LIBS TO KEEP THEIR MISERY GOING....


BY DOING WHAT??????...... HAVING A WITCH HUNT?..

goodness me the lengths the left will go to avoid anything being landed at their messiahs feet...

even to accusing these families of manipulating....  >:(
bloody disgusting.

Dead from the neck up, I'm sure of it! ↑↑

Reads (?) but doesn't learn.

cods wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 5:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 10:34pm: cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 7:32pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 7:20pm: And when they don't get the result they want the Libs will get them to ask again and again, why not keep their misery going indefinatly. SO YOU ARE SAYING ITS THE FAMILIES THAT ARE DOING THE WITCH HUNTING????? nice way to treat grieving families...but then bitterness does that to some people.. 4 young men dead... lets ignore it... they dont mean anything to lefties thats for sure what do we care..pfffftttt. just make sure rudd and gillard are safe as houses.... so to speak.  your idols will have feet of clay make no mistake about that... SO YOU ARE SAYING ITS THE FAMILIES THAT ARE DOING THE WITCH HUNTING No REALLY.. not how it looks..... you are basically saying IF THEY DONT GET THE ANSWERS THEY WANT..???? THEN THEY WILL PERSUADE THE LIBS TO KEEP THEIR MISERY GOING.... BY DOING WHAT??????...... HAVING A WITCH HUNT?.. goodness me the lengths the left will go to avoid anything being landed at their messiahs feet... even to accusing these families of manipulating....  bloody disgusting.

Comprehension Cods - comprehension - why do conservatives have so much trouble with basic comprehension?

By the way you do remember that the Grubs promised an enquiry before the election - the families are only holding them to the promise ???

. >:(

Dnarever wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Comprehension Cods - comprehension - why do conservatives have so much trouble with basic comprehension? By the way you do remember that the Grubs promised an enquiry before the election - the families are only holding them to the promise ???

OF COURSE...they havent said a word have they?.. but you wont believe it anyway it will all be a WITCH HUNT..




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14 November 2013

Master Electricians Australia (MEA) has today welcomed the Coalition’s launch of the $25m Royal Commission into the Rudd Government’s controversial pink batts program.

MEA chief executive Malcolm Richards said he was pleased to see Prime Minister Tony Abbott and the Coalition government had kept their pre-election promise to establish a full judicial inquiry into the former Federal Government’s bungled Home Insulation Program (HIP).

“The scheme was rolled out hastily without proper planning around safety, or proper consultation with industry,” Mr Richards said.

“The Queensland Coroner’s report released earlier this year found warnings to the Rudd Government raising urgent safety concerns by industry had been ignored and I expect the Royal Commission will have similar findings.

“It’s essential a disaster like this is never repeated which is why we welcome this Royal Commission and are urging the inquest to not only look into what advice and warnings were potentially ignored but to also urgently examine the issue of safety switches.”

Mr Richards said Master Electricians Australia recommended regulations were put in place to make safety switches compulsory on every circuit of every home.

“Tragic incidents like the deaths under the HIP could have easily been avoided had safety switches been installed on every circuit in those homes,” he said.


you are so hell bent on krudd not being guilty...

has it occurred to you that that may be the case??? ::) ::)

he may come through this squeaky clean...

or are you more afraid it will be the reverse?

you guys from the left are hell bent on calling this a witch hunt it isnt even funny..... you have now sunk to low of using words like Grubs.. because the families dont give a damn about their sons...really its all about the Libs manipulating them into them thinking this is all about them......

so no point in even discussing anything with you... maybe yoiu would like to take it up with MEA.. who seem to think its a bloody good idea to have a ROYAL..

if you are so adamant the govt did not do a thing wrong... I would have thought this would prove it once and for all... ::) ::)

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:39pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 9:09am: Cods, exactly what is this 'justice' you refer to.  Put some body to that notion.  What is the practical, tangible thing you call 'justice' in this case? cods?

cods?

And here is some more you can munch on.

Click here.


Quote:

So, nearly 12 months on, what did the program deliver? Surprisingly, it appears to have made insulation installation safer (thank you to blogsite Pollytics.com for detailing this and examples of misreporting). The Australian Bureau of Statistics reports that 61 per cent of dwellings, almost 3.2 million, had insulation in 2008, with 98 per cent of these having roof or ceiling insulation. Officials in Garrett's department told a Senate committee hearing that the pre-program rate of installations was 65,000 to 70,000 a year, with 80 to 85 insulation-related fires a year. Roughly 30 per cent were linked to new installations, on industry estimates. The program insulated more than 1.1 million homes. If 94 fires have been linked to this, the implication is that the fire risk was roughly four times lower than before, even as the number of installations rose 15-fold. As for the four deaths of installers, one of them through heat exhaustion and another using foil insulation that Garrett had barred from the program months earlier, they are subject to coronial inquiries. The fact is, however, that the program introduced the first national training program for installers. Remember, this is a field in which foolhardy householders have a long DIY tradition and the insulation industry had been largely unregulated. Where was the concern about safety then? If the program has proved anything, it is that Australia abounds with shonky businesses, ''she'll be right'' tradesmen, hypocritical politicians who habitually sacrifice workplace safety on the altar of business-friendly policy, and careless, pack-hunting journalists. That, I'm afraid, is not much of a revelation at all.

It is not a witch hunt, I tells ya!

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Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 3:37pm:

It is not a witch hunt, I tells ya! https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1513228_230329680473518_1863809113_n.jpg

It's not a witch hunt, it's simply the case that the other 2592 families don't matter.  :D :D :D :D

cods wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 11:41am: Comprehension Cods - comprehension - why do conservatives have so much trouble with basic comprehension? By the way you do remember that the Grubs promised an enquiry before the election - the families are only holding them to the promise ??? OF COURSE...they havent said a word have they?.. but you wont believe it anyway it will all be a WITCH HUNT.. Text ResizePrint Share on facebook Share on twitter Share on email Master Electricians Australia RSS Feed 14 November 2013 Master Electricians Australia (MEA) has today welcomed the Coalition’s launch of the $25m Royal Commission into the Rudd Government’s controversial pink batts program. MEA chief executive Malcolm Richards said he was pleased to see Prime Minister Tony Abbott and the Coalition government had kept their pre-election promise to establish a full judicial inquiry into the former Federal Government’s bungled Home Insulation Program (HIP). “The scheme was rolled out hastily without proper planning around safety, or proper consultation with industry,” Mr Richards said. “The Queensland Coroner’s report released earlier this year found warnings to the Rudd Government raising urgent safety concerns by industry had been ignored and I expect the Royal Commission will have similar findings. “It’s essential a disaster like this is never repeated which is why we welcome this Royal Commission and are urging the inquest to not only look into what advice and warnings were potentially ignored but to also urgently examine the issue of safety switches.” Mr Richards said Master Electricians Australia recommended regulations were put in place to make safety switches compulsory on every circuit of every home. “Tragic incidents like the deaths under the HIP could have easily been avoided had safety switches been installed on every circuit in those homes,” he said. you are so hell bent on krudd not being guilty... has it occurred to you that that may be the case??? ::) ::) he may come through this squeaky clean... or are you more afraid it will be the reverse? you guys from the left are hell bent on calling this a witch hunt it isnt even funny..... you have now sunk to low of using words like Grubs.. because the families dont give a damn about their sons...really its all about the Libs manipulating them into them thinking this is all about them...... so no point in even discussing anything with you... maybe yoiu would like to take it up with MEA.. who seem to think its a bloody good idea to have a ROYAL.. if you are so adamant the govt did not do a thing wrong... I would have thought this would prove it once and for all... ::) ::)

Yep just throw another $25 Million on the BBQ and roll out the same old result.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 7:43am:

cods wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 3:28pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 11:41am: Comprehension Cods - comprehension - why do conservatives have so much trouble with basic comprehension? By the way you do remember that the Grubs promised an enquiry before the election - the families are only holding them to the promise ??? OF COURSE...they havent said a word have they?.. but you wont believe it anyway it will all be a WITCH HUNT.. Text ResizePrint Share on facebook Share on twitter Share on email Master Electricians Australia RSS Feed 14 November 2013 Master Electricians Australia (MEA) has today welcomed the Coalition’s launch of the $25m Royal Commission into the Rudd Government’s controversial pink batts program. MEA chief executive Malcolm Richards said he was pleased to see Prime Minister Tony Abbott and the Coalition government had kept their pre-election promise to establish a full judicial inquiry into the former Federal Government’s bungled Home Insulation Program (HIP). “The scheme was rolled out hastily without proper planning around safety, or proper consultation with industry,” Mr Richards said. “The Queensland Coroner’s report released earlier this year found warnings to the Rudd Government raising urgent safety concerns by industry had been ignored and I expect the Royal Commission will have similar findings. “It’s essential a disaster like this is never repeated which is why we welcome this Royal Commission and are urging the inquest to not only look into what advice and warnings were potentially ignored but to also urgently examine the issue of safety switches.” Mr Richards said Master Electricians Australia recommended regulations were put in place to make safety switches compulsory on every circuit of every home. “Tragic incidents like the deaths under the HIP could have easily been avoided had safety switches been installed on every circuit in those homes,” he said. you are so hell bent on krudd not being guilty... has it occurred to you that that may be the case??? ::) ::) he may come through this squeaky clean... or are you more afraid it will be the reverse? you guys from the left are hell bent on calling this a witch hunt it isnt even funny..... you have now sunk to low of using words like Grubs.. because the families dont give a damn about their sons...really its all about the Libs manipulating them into them thinking this is all about them...... so no point in even discussing anything with you... maybe yoiu would like to take it up with MEA.. who seem to think its a bloody good idea to have a ROYAL.. if you are so adamant the govt did not do a thing wrong... I would have thought this would prove it once and for all... ::) ::) Yep just throw another $25 Million on the BBQ.

Geeze the faggots to burn the infidels are getting expensive! Oh well, it's obviously money well spent... The aroma will be sweet unto the Lord.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 7:43am:

cods wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 3:28pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 11:41am: Comprehension Cods - comprehension - why do conservatives have so much trouble with basic comprehension? By the way you do remember that the Grubs promised an enquiry before the election - the families are only holding them to the promise ??? OF COURSE...they havent said a word have they?.. but you wont believe it anyway it will all be a WITCH HUNT.. Text ResizePrint Share on facebook Share on twitter Share on email Master Electricians Australia RSS Feed 14 November 2013 Master Electricians Australia (MEA) has today welcomed the Coalition’s launch of the $25m Royal Commission into the Rudd Government’s controversial pink batts program. MEA chief executive Malcolm Richards said he was pleased to see Prime Minister Tony Abbott and the Coalition government had kept their pre-election promise to establish a full judicial inquiry into the former Federal Government’s bungled Home Insulation Program (HIP). “The scheme was rolled out hastily without proper planning around safety, or proper consultation with industry,” Mr Richards said. “The Queensland Coroner’s report released earlier this year found warnings to the Rudd Government raising urgent safety concerns by industry had been ignored and I expect the Royal Commission will have similar findings. “It’s essential a disaster like this is never repeated which is why we welcome this Royal Commission and are urging the inquest to not only look into what advice and warnings were potentially ignored but to also urgently examine the issue of safety switches.” Mr Richards said Master Electricians Australia recommended regulations were put in place to make safety switches compulsory on every circuit of every home. “Tragic incidents like the deaths under the HIP could have easily been avoided had safety switches been installed on every circuit in those homes,” he said. you are so hell bent on krudd not being guilty... has it occurred to you that that may be the case??? ::) ::) he may come through this squeaky clean... or are you more afraid it will be the reverse? you guys from the left are hell bent on calling this a witch hunt it isnt even funny..... you have now sunk to low of using words like Grubs.. because the families dont give a damn about their sons...really its all about the Libs manipulating them into them thinking this is all about them...... so no point in even discussing anything with you... maybe yoiu would like to take it up with MEA.. who seem to think its a bloody good idea to have a ROYAL.. if you are so adamant the govt did not do a thing wrong... I would have thought this would prove it once and for all... ::) ::) Yep just throw another $25 Million on the BBQ and roll out the same old result.

I will have a wee wager with you dna... IT WONT BE THE SAME RESULT...

are you up for it???

as far as I remember the coroner did find the govt had some responsibility.. not sure think he said something about RUSHED... ::) ::)

so lets assume this inquiry finds it was RUSHED....then maybe someone will ask WHY/WHO was responsible for the RUSH...


and then maybe they will actually NAME those responsible for the RUSH..

the way I see it..it didnt just happen...it didnt start or end all by itself..... somewhere a human was in charge of this whole operation... ::) ::)....

that person need to be accountable... maybe it was Peter Garrett maybe he had the switch that started and stopped the whole thing.........lets find out....

if someone burnt down Parliament House and 4 people died because of it...

they would go on and on and on until they named the person that started the fire...

they would not settle for ok.. someone started it by setting fire to that  curtain...  thats it thats the end it doesnt matter who did it...move on shows over... :o :o


if it was your loved one that died I am sure you would want to know who was behind it..and I know for sure I would.. and I doubt we woulld give a stuff about what it costs and neither we should anymore than these good people should..

cods wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 7:43am: cods wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 3:28pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 11:41am: Comprehension Cods - comprehension - why do conservatives have so much trouble with basic comprehension? By the way you do remember that the Grubs promised an enquiry before the election - the families are only holding them to the promise ??? OF COURSE...they havent said a word have they?.. but you wont believe it anyway it will all be a WITCH HUNT.. Text ResizePrint Share on facebook Share on twitter Share on email Master Electricians Australia RSS Feed 14 November 2013 Master Electricians Australia (MEA) has today welcomed the Coalition’s launch of the $25m Royal Commission into the Rudd Government’s controversial pink batts program. MEA chief executive Malcolm Richards said he was pleased to see Prime Minister Tony Abbott and the Coalition government had kept their pre-election promise to establish a full judicial inquiry into the former Federal Government’s bungled Home Insulation Program (HIP). “The scheme was rolled out hastily without proper planning around safety, or proper consultation with industry,” Mr Richards said. “The Queensland Coroner’s report released earlier this year found warnings to the Rudd Government raising urgent safety concerns by industry had been ignored and I expect the Royal Commission will have similar findings. “It’s essential a disaster like this is never repeated which is why we welcome this Royal Commission and are urging the inquest to not only look into what advice and warnings were potentially ignored but to also urgently examine the issue of safety switches.” Mr Richards said Master Electricians Australia recommended regulations were put in place to make safety switches compulsory on every circuit of every home. “Tragic incidents like the deaths under the HIP could have easily been avoided had safety switches been installed on every circuit in those homes,” he said. you are so hell bent on krudd not being guilty... has it occurred to you that that may be the case??? ::) ::) he may come through this squeaky clean... or are you more afraid it will be the reverse? you guys from the left are hell bent on calling this a witch hunt it isnt even funny..... you have now sunk to low of using words like Grubs.. because the families dont give a damn about their sons...really its all about the Libs manipulating them into them thinking this is all about them...... so no point in even discussing anything with you... maybe yoiu would like to take it up with MEA.. who seem to think its a bloody good idea to have a ROYAL.. if you are so adamant the govt did not do a thing wrong... I would have thought this would prove it once and for all... ::) ::) Yep just throw another $25 Million on the BBQ and roll out the same old result. I will have a wee wager with you dna... IT WONT BE THE SAME RESULT... are you up for it??? as far as I remember the coroner did find the govt had some responsibility.. not sure think he said something about RUSHED... ::) ::) so lets assume this inquiry finds it was RUSHED....then maybe someone will ask WHY/WHO was responsible for the RUSH... and then maybe they will actually NAME those responsible for the RUSH.. the way I see it..it didnt just happen...it didnt start or end all by itself..... somewhere a human was in charge of this whole operation... ::) ::).... that person need to be accountable... maybe it was Peter Garrett maybe he had the switch that started and stopped the whole thing.........lets find out.... if someone burnt down Parliament House and 4 people died because of it... they would go on and on and on until they named the person that started the fire... they would not settle for ok.. someone started it by setting fire to that  curtain...  thats it thats the end it doesnt matter who did it...move on shows over... :o :o if it was your loved one that died I am sure you would want to know who was behind it..and I know for sure I would.. and I doubt we woulld give a stuff about what it costs and neither we should anymore than these good people should..

So what cods is saying is she is not happy with the findings to date from so many inquiries already held and she wants a witch hunt until someone from labor is held responsible. Never mind the evidence presented to her she will continue to ignore that evidence until she gets the outcome She wants.

scope wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

cods wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:08am: Dnarever wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 7:43am: cods wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 3:28pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 11:41am: Comprehension Cods - comprehension - why do conservatives have so much trouble with basic comprehension? By the way you do remember that the Grubs promised an enquiry before the election - the families are only holding them to the promise ??? OF COURSE...they havent said a word have they?.. but you wont believe it anyway it will all be a WITCH HUNT.. Text ResizePrint Share on facebook Share on twitter Share on email Master Electricians Australia RSS Feed 14 November 2013 Master Electricians Australia (MEA) has today welcomed the Coalition’s launch of the $25m Royal Commission into the Rudd Government’s controversial pink batts program. MEA chief executive Malcolm Richards said he was pleased to see Prime Minister Tony Abbott and the Coalition government had kept their pre-election promise to establish a full judicial inquiry into the former Federal Government’s bungled Home Insulation Program (HIP). “The scheme was rolled out hastily without proper planning around safety, or proper consultation with industry,” Mr Richards said. “The Queensland Coroner’s report released earlier this year found warnings to the Rudd Government raising urgent safety concerns by industry had been ignored and I expect the Royal Commission will have similar findings. “It’s essential a disaster like this is never repeated which is why we welcome this Royal Commission and are urging the inquest to not only look into what advice and warnings were potentially ignored but to also urgently examine the issue of safety switches.” Mr Richards said Master Electricians Australia recommended regulations were put in place to make safety switches compulsory on every circuit of every home. “Tragic incidents like the deaths under the HIP could have easily been avoided had safety switches been installed on every circuit in those homes,” he said. you are so hell bent on krudd not being guilty... has it occurred to you that that may be the case??? ::) ::) he may come through this squeaky clean... or are you more afraid it will be the reverse? you guys from the left are hell bent on calling this a witch hunt it isnt even funny..... you have now sunk to low of using words like Grubs.. because the families dont give a damn about their sons...really its all about the Libs manipulating them into them thinking this is all about them...... so no point in even discussing anything with you... maybe yoiu would like to take it up with MEA.. who seem to think its a bloody good idea to have a ROYAL.. if you are so adamant the govt did not do a thing wrong... I would have thought this would prove it once and for all... ::) ::) Yep just throw another $25 Million on the BBQ and roll out the same old result. I will have a wee wager with you dna... IT WONT BE THE SAME RESULT... are you up for it??? as far as I remember the coroner did find the govt had some responsibility.. not sure think he said something about RUSHED... ::) ::) so lets assume this inquiry finds it was RUSHED....then maybe someone will ask WHY/WHO was responsible for the RUSH... and then maybe they will actually NAME those responsible for the RUSH.. the way I see it..it didnt just happen...it didnt start or end all by itself..... somewhere a human was in charge of this whole operation... ::) ::).... that person need to be accountable... maybe it was Peter Garrett maybe he had the switch that started and stopped the whole thing.........lets find out.... if someone burnt down Parliament House and 4 people died because of it... they would go on and on and on until they named the person that started the fire... they would not settle for ok.. someone started it by setting fire to that  curtain...  thats it thats the end it doesnt matter who did it...move on shows over... :o :o if it was your loved one that died I am sure you would want to know who was behind it..and I know for sure I would.. and I doubt we woulld give a stuff about what it costs and neither we should anymore than these good people should.. So what cods is saying is she is not happy with the findings to date from so many inquiries already held and she wants a witch hunt until someone from labor is held responsible. Never mind the evidence presented to her she will continue to ignore that evidence until she gets the outcome She wants.

Basically it, in a nutshell.

The finding will be that the govt implanted a plan and that they ignored qualified advice and other warnings prior to and during its implantation that the program delivery was not well designed and problematic. 

Make no mistake.  It is pre-determined that Hanger will make adverse findings against the Rudd Government, and probably against Rudd and Garrett personally.  But....so what.  What will change in the World of anyone and everyone involved?

Nothing.

You need also to be aware that nothing said, for example by Rudd in the witness box at the Commission is admissable against him in any later proceedings.  The findings of the Commission are not binding on anyone, can and will be completely ignored except politically.  Just look at the absurd Cole Commission.  $70M......a zillion adverse findings against many, and not one of them subsequently had any action of any kind taken against them.

While these things make for good headlines ~ 24 hours later wrapped around fish 'n chips ~ sweet bugger all not already known will come out of it.

cods wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

I will have a wee wager with you dna... IT WONT BE THE SAME RESULT...

of course it won't, Abbott won't settle for the same result and I'm sure he has already made his views perfectly clear before deciding who would chair the enquiry.

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 1:54pm:

Make no mistake.  It is pre-determined that Hanger will make adverse findings against the Rudd Government, and probably against Rudd and Garrett personally.  But....so what.  What will change in the World of anyone and everyone involved? Nothing. You need also to be aware that nothing said, for example by Rudd in the witness box at the Commission is admissable against him in any later proceedings.  The findings of the Commission are not binding on anyone, can and will be completely ignored except politically.  Just look at the absurd Cole Commission.  $70M......a zillion adverse findings against many, and not one of them subsequently had any action of any kind taken against them. While these things make for good headlines ~ 24 hours later wrapped around fish 'n chips ~ sweet bugger all not already known will come out of it.

Like the AWB enquiry cover up???


Quote:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/cop-told-make-awb-probe-go-away-20120606-1zwqk.html THE man who led the Australian Federal Police investigation into the AWB scandal has alleged he was offered a promotion to shut down the inquiry. In an explosive statement lodged with the Federal Court, the former AFP agent Ross Fusca said another senior officer told him that if he could ''make the oil-for-food taskforce go away, he would be appointed as next co-ordinator''. Mr Fusca, a 30-year AFP veteran, has declared the inquiry into the wheat marketing body was never given enough resources and was shut down prematurely.

>:( >:( >:(

It was a well meaning scheme that went wrong.

We may, or may not, find out whether anyone was to blame.

All we can do is wait and see.

scope wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

So what cods is saying is she is not happy with the findings to date from so many inquiries already held and she wants a witch hunt until someone from labor is held responsible. Never mind the evidence presented to her she will continue to ignore that evidence until she gets the outcome She wants.

OF COURSE....

didnt you know I am related to Abbott and can twist him round my little finger.and if the outcome isnt what i want.. then by golly he will spend another $25m at my say so.. :P :P

I. HAVE THE POWER..

gosh I am surprised its taken you so long to wake up to that...

IT WAS...MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

THAT DEMANDED THE ROYAL..I CONFESS....

WOW I am so amazed you actually think I have the POWER>.. ::)


so humbling..so wishful thinking..so dumb!!!!

get over yourself cods .. he never claimed you have any power ... only that you are a selfish political opportunist

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 2:53pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 1:54pm: Make no mistake.  It is pre-determined that Hanger will make adverse findings against the Rudd Government, and probably against Rudd and Garrett personally.  But....so what.  What will change in the World of anyone and everyone involved? Nothing. You need also to be aware that nothing said, for example by Rudd in the witness box at the Commission is admissable against him in any later proceedings.  The findings of the Commission are not binding on anyone, can and will be completely ignored except politically.  Just look at the absurd Cole Commission.  $70M......a zillion adverse findings against many, and not one of them subsequently had any action of any kind taken against them. While these things make for good headlines ~ 24 hours later wrapped around fish 'n chips ~ sweet bugger all not already known will come out of it. Like the AWB enquiry cover up??? Quote: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/cop-told-make-awb-probe-go-away-20120606-1zwqk.html THE man who led the Australian Federal Police investigation into the AWB scandal has alleged he was offered a promotion to shut down the inquiry. In an explosive statement lodged with the Federal Court, the former AFP agent Ross Fusca said another senior officer told him that if he could ''make the oil-for-food taskforce go away, he would be appointed as next co-ordinator''. Mr Fusca, a 30-year AFP veteran, has declared the inquiry into the wheat marketing body was never given enough resources and was shut down prematurely. >:( >:( >:(

can you explain why the Labor party didnt have their own inquiry??????


dont give me all that gaff about being tooo decent.. lol.. they went berserk trying to dig up the dirt on Abbott.... and if they could have nailed him along with Howard for that you can bet you they would have done so...

they didnt have the ammunition though its that simple.

and BTW no one died during the AWB

so to get all frosty faced over MONEY...


and NOT ABOUT SOMEONE DYING... >:( >:( >:( >:(... makes me angry..

Why didn't this make you angry cods?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1513228_230329680473518_1863809113_n.jpg

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 4:02pm:

Why didn't this make you angry cods? https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1513228_230329680473518_1863809113_n.jpg

The answer is of course that one term tony only cares about people dying at work when he can make political mileage out of it.

cods wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 4:00pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 2:53pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 1:54pm: Make no mistake.  It is pre-determined that Hanger will make adverse findings against the Rudd Government, and probably against Rudd and Garrett personally.  But....so what.  What will change in the World of anyone and everyone involved? Nothing. You need also to be aware that nothing said, for example by Rudd in the witness box at the Commission is admissable against him in any later proceedings.  The findings of the Commission are not binding on anyone, can and will be completely ignored except politically.  Just look at the absurd Cole Commission.  $70M......a zillion adverse findings against many, and not one of them subsequently had any action of any kind taken against them. While these things make for good headlines ~ 24 hours later wrapped around fish 'n chips ~ sweet bugger all not already known will come out of it. Like the AWB enquiry cover up??? Quote: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/cop-told-make-awb-probe-go-away-20120606-1zwqk.html THE man who led the Australian Federal Police investigation into the AWB scandal has alleged he was offered a promotion to shut down the inquiry. In an explosive statement lodged with the Federal Court, the former AFP agent Ross Fusca said another senior officer told him that if he could ''make the oil-for-food taskforce go away, he would be appointed as next co-ordinator''. Mr Fusca, a 30-year AFP veteran, has declared the inquiry into the wheat marketing body was never given enough resources and was shut down prematurely. >:( >:( >:( can you explain why the Labor party didnt have their own inquiry?????? dont give me all that gaff about being tooo decent.. lol.. they went berserk trying to dig up the dirt on Abbott.... and if they could have nailed him along with Howard for that you can bet you they would have done so... they didnt have the ammunition though its that simple. and BTW no one died during the AWB so to get all frosty faced over MONEY... and NOT ABOUT SOMEONE DYING... >:( >:( >:( >:(... makes me angry..

no one died in Australia.  But... supporting a hard line brutal regime and going against sanctions designed to cripple that regime? Well, who cares right.

Dead people are only of use to one term tony when he can use them to further his career...the thousands of others that died at their places of work mean nothing to phony tony.

cods wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 4:00pm:

dont give me all that gaff about being tooo decent.. lol.. they went berserk trying to dig up the dirt on Abbott

and yet not beserk enough to have an enquiry just because they could ......

John Smith wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 5:36pm:

cods wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 4:00pm: dont give me all that gaff about being tooo decent.. lol.. they went berserk trying to dig up the dirt on Abbott and yet not beserk enough to have an enquiry just because they could ......

100% correct.  The ALP could have enlivened that AWU Royal Commission at the stroke of a pen.  They did not, and they should have.    The allegation by cods about digging dirt on Abbott is true.  He deserved all he got and will get.  He started that sort of poo with Hanson, continued Rudd and then Gillard.

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 5:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 5:36pm: cods wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 4:00pm: dont give me all that gaff about being tooo decent.. lol.. they went berserk trying to dig up the dirt on Abbott and yet not beserk enough to have an enquiry just because they could ...... 100% correct.  The ALP could have enlivened that AWU Royal Commission at the stroke of a pen.  They did not, and they should have.    The allegation by cods about digging dirt on Abbott is true.  He deserved all he got and will get.  He started that sort of poo with Hanson, continued Rudd and then Gillard.

they should have? to what ends? it wouldn't change anything ..... just a waste of money

The dead, the dying and the severely injured mean nothing to one term tony unless he can get political mileage from their misery.
Just look at the appalling treatment of the victims of the asbestos industry by Tony and his dried up old hag Julie Bishop.
One term tony even denied Telstra the funds to clean up the extensive asbestos in their systems when he was the minister responsible.
One term tony is a joke and his supporters are complicate in his incompetence.

John Smith wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 5:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 5:43pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 5:36pm: cods wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 4:00pm: dont give me all that gaff about being tooo decent.. lol.. they went berserk trying to dig up the dirt on Abbott and yet not beserk enough to have an enquiry just because they could ...... 100% correct.  The ALP could have enlivened that AWU Royal Commission at the stroke of a pen.  They did not, and they should have.    The allegation by cods about digging dirt on Abbott is true.  He deserved all he got and will get.  He started that sort of poo with Hanson, continued Rudd and then Gillard. they should have? to what ends? it wouldn't change anything ..... just a waste of money

Yeas, I suppose so.  Hayseed knew.

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 5:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 5:45pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 5:43pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 5:36pm: cods wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 4:00pm: dont give me all that gaff about being tooo decent.. lol.. they went berserk trying to dig up the dirt on Abbott and yet not beserk enough to have an enquiry just because they could ...... 100% correct.  The ALP could have enlivened that AWU Royal Commission at the stroke of a pen.  They did not, and they should have.    The allegation by cods about digging dirt on Abbott is true.  He deserved all he got and will get.  He started that sort of poo with Hanson, continued Rudd and then Gillard. they should have? to what ends? it wouldn't change anything ..... just a waste of money Yeas, I suppose so.  Hayseed knew.

besides, if labor were going to do it it they had to do it when they first won office ... Turnbull was leader back then .. to do it after Abbott became leader would have shown it to be what it would have been, a witch hunt.

Is the simian going to alter the ToR of the RC into pink batts:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/scaffolder-who-fell-30-floors-to-his-death-not-mentored-union-20140109-30jkg.html

Young scaffolder, not supervised enough, fell thirty floors to his death.

That, and the fall of that brick wall built by Grogon Bros that killed three pedestrians should be added to the RC forthwith!

Of course—they won’t be but should be. Construction is a dangerous occupation.

Not to my surprise no reaction.

Four people dead through no fault of their own, no need to investigate if negligence caused or contributed? No hysteria from the fanbois? Don’t those families deserve “closure?”

John Smith wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 7:19pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 5:53pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 5:45pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 5:43pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 5:36pm: cods wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 4:00pm: dont give me all that gaff about being tooo decent.. lol.. they went berserk trying to dig up the dirt on Abbott and yet not beserk enough to have an enquiry just because they could ...... 100% correct.  The ALP could have enlivened that AWU Royal Commission at the stroke of a pen.  They did not, and they should have.    The allegation by cods about digging dirt on Abbott is true.  He deserved all he got and will get.  He started that sort of poo with Hanson, continued Rudd and then Gillard. they should have? to what ends? it wouldn't change anything ..... just a waste of money Yeas, I suppose so.  Hayseed knew. besides, if labor were going to do it it they had to do it when they first won office ... Turnbull was leader back then .. to do it after Abbott became leader would have shown it to be what it would have been, a witch hunt.

Brendan Nelson: he had potential.