We should not seek to destroy what is wicked....

We should not seek to destroy ISLAM,
....because we may destroy innocent moslems, especially the innocent moslem children.




Stratos wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 12:02am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 11:46pm: Were all of the innocent Japanese infants who died, worth the lives of the American servicemen who did not die ? Still defending the wholesale slaughter of innocent infants i see you hypocrite.  That is exactly why you said God ordered the Israelistes to kill the other nations in your previous post here Yadda wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 10:55pm: My God sanctioned the killing of the people of nations practising the slaughter and 'barbecuing' of their own infant children. So apparently nuking and slaughtering kids is A-OK as long as it's from the side you support. I'm sure your Lord and Savior would have some words to say about your blatant hypocrisy.

Stratos,

If i am a hypocrite, then i am not the only one here.







"Lets save the innocent infants, by saving ISLAM and moslems,
....and we can do that, by refusing to insist that moslems must confront what is true!"
Yadda, paraphrasing Stratos.



The corruption of a whole nation, begins at its mothers breast - as we can see with the example of ISLAM;

AND REMEMBER, THE INFANTS OF AN EVIL NATION ARE INNOCENT, AND UNCORRUPTED;      :P

IMAGE...
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/cartoon-protest12.jpg
Moslem child, on the streets of London, demonstrating that he understands the basics of his faith - Mohammedanism


Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.







The influence of ISLAM's hatred [for non-moslems], in the homes of moslems;
IMAGE...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/Parviz.jpg


Quote:

February 18, 2008 UK jihadist taught five-year-old son: "Kuffar -- kill! Sheikh Osama bin Laden I love" ......"Who do you kill?" asked Khan. "America kill," said the boy. "Who else you kill?" said Khan. "Bush I kill," said the boy. "And who else?" demanded Khan. "Blair kill, both people kill." "Who else you kill?" asked Khan. "Saddam, Saddam," said the boy. Then the pair began chanting at each other. Khan said: "Kuffar [non-believers]" the boy said: "Kill." Khan said: "Mushrik [polytheists]" and the boy said: "Kill."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/02/uk-jihadist-taught-five-year-old-son-kuffar----kill-sheikh-osama-bin-laden-i-love.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/18/nkidnap218.xml


Of course, ISLAM/moslems sanction such indoctrination of hatred in moslem children [hatred towards what is not ISLAM], as 'normal'.

Because, ISLAM teaches all moslems, that it is the infidels who are abnormal and 'vile creatures' - because the infidels are not moslems!



"Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve."
Koran 8.55

Google;
vilest of creatures, korani
AND REMEMBER, THE INFANTS OF AN EVIL NATION ARE INNOCENT, AND UNCORRUPTED;      :P

IMAGE...
http://vladtepesblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/child1_bomber_jpgbzbmxr.jpg
MORE HUMAN CORRUPTION;
Please close the Islam forum
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1382389044/120#120

Goodness, becoming tolerant of wickedness....



Quote:

.....if we join what is precious with what is vile, we do not in that act, 'improve' that which is vile. We merely corrupt that which is precious. e.g. I have two buckets. The first bucket is full of clean, fresh water. The second bucket is full of sewage. Q. If i pour both buckets into a third container, what do i get? A. A third container, full of diluted sewage. Conclusion? While i could safely drink from the 1st bucket, i could >> not << safely drink from the 2nd bucket, or the 3rd container. So it is with evil, that is 'tolerated' by good people. No matter how many times we repeat the phrase, "Tolerance is good.", ...our tolerance of what is clearly evil, is not a virtue. It is a process, a progression. Whenever we choose to become tolerant of evil [in our midst], it is certain, as night follows day, that we ourselves, will become evil. i.e. If we are tolerant of what is clearly evil, it is because we now ARE evil. When we embrace the concept of 'tolerance', but what we are prepared to tolerate is clearly evil, ...we become those, who are evil, OURSELVES. Our 'tolerance' of evil, is not tolerance. It is wickedness!

Stratos,

Talking about sewage;

Remember that analogy to the bucket of clean, fresh water, and the second bucket of sewage.

The judgement of people like yourself, is that it is better to join ourselves to sewage, than to 'waste' the sewage, and remain pure and unpolluted.

I say that you are mistaken.



The judgement of people like yourself, is that 'not all moslems are bad people' - even though every moslem, is under the sway and influence of a murderous philosophy like ISLAM.

I say that you are mistaken.


....BECAUSE, remember,    ...that by being a moslem;

Every moslem is choosing to associate himself/herself with what ISLAM is.

A vicious, and violent death cult.


+++

What has been really happening [in all 'liberal' and 'progressive' countries like Australia], is that Stratos, and people just like Stratos, like have been 'carrying' the bucket of sewage [which ISLAM is], for moslems.



Quote:

Stratos, QUESTION; If the religious violence in the world, which is being attributed to moslems/ISLAM, is not attributable to moslems/ISLAM, then; Who is responsible for all of this religious violence in the world, that is being attributed [to moslems and the influence of] ISLAM, Stratos ?i+++ CAUSE?; "...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260 EFFECT?; [quote]February 5, 2008 70-year-old woman, convert from Islam to Christianity, burned to death in Bangladesh ....DHAKA, BANGLADESH (BosNewsLife)-- Christian villagers in a Muslim-majority area of Bangladesh on Tuesday, February 5, mourned the death of a 70-year-old woman who died from burns she suffered when a mob reportedly set her home ablaze as a punishment for converting from Islam to Christianity.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019813.php


NOT ACCORDING TO PEOPLE LIKE Stratos!

[/quote]

Stratos,

If moslems are innocent, then let them choose, to come out of ISLAM.

But very few will/do.





THE TRUTH ABOUT ALL MOSLEMS;
Moslems are a group of people who choose to follow a philosophy, which teaches them [moslems], that it is lawful for them [moslems] to either subjugate [i.e. enslave] or murder all of mankind.







Quote:

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. " Koran 9.29 "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 [quote] Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian. Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'" Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us". These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world. ...DDA

Google it.



n.b.
"Killing infidels is a small matter to us"
Mohammed - the prophet of peace.iQuote:

Stratos said; "The passages from the Hadith also aren't actively encouraging [terrorism] either, just saying that it happened." HADITH.... "A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." " hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065 hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i n.b. ......"He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." AND AGAIN, JUST FOR Stratos [....who pretends that he doesn't have the wit, to 'join the dots']; Dictionary; terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. "Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." " hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026

Quote:

Yadda.  No one reads anything you write.....

I know, Stratos.

There are no 'issues' at all, to address, with ISLAM/moslems.

There is only 'the work', to disparage and castigate the critics of ISLAM, to attack and to silence them.


Why won't people like yourself, address the issues Stratos ?

[/quote]

Dear Yadda -

it's too long to read,

can you please make your point with one punchy line?

cheers
Bobby

Yadda wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 5:58am:

If i am a hypocrite, then i am not the only one here.

Right, and that makes it OK why? 


Yadda wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 5:58am:

"Lets save the innocent infants, by saving ISLAM and moslems, ....and we can do that, by refusing to insist that moslems must confront what is true!

This is a straw man argument Yadda, I have said no such thing.  I have never defended extremism. You continuously say I do, yet can provide no examples of me doing so.  And as far as showing concern for innocent children, you are being a blatant hypocrite again, because in the last 24 hours you have condoned their biblical massacre in the Old Testament and the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. 

Yadda wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 5:58am:

AND REMEMBER, THE INFANTS OF AN EVIL NATION ARE INNOCENT, AND UNCORRUPTED;       IMAGE...

Ah, you like moving the goalposts when it suits your argument.  That's not actually an infant.  Also, are you seriously saying that you think a child born int a Muslim household is guilty of something?  Because that's pretty messed up....  Also, once again, I don't condone extremism in any form, what i am condoning is the very vast majority of the worlds billions of Muslims who will never partake in anything like you are describing. 


Yadda wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 6:07am:

Remember that analogy to the bucket of clean, fresh water, and the second bucket of sewage

Comparing Islam to a literal bucket of poo.  Not as bad as you advocating genocide, but that's really quite disgusting.

Yadda wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 6:07am:

The judgement of people like yourself, is that it is better to join ourselves to sewage, than to 'waste' the sewage, and remain pure and unpolluted.

A straw man? again?  seriously?  I didn't say that, and never will.  And trust me, if a Muslim comes on here and says it's OK to commit genocide (like you do) I will debate them too.  But seeing the only extremist here is you, I'll stick to this.  Besides, no one is forcing you to go to a mosque, face Qibla or learn the Koran, so your analogy isn't only offensive, it's also factually wrong.


Yadda wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 6:36am:

AND AGAIN, JUST FOR Stratos [....who pretends that he doesn't have the wit, to 'join the dots']; Dictionary; terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Oh I love when you use this one.  Because this makes any act of violence basically terrorism including.... Big J!


Quote:

Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves

If you stick to that as your definition of terrorism, then Jesus Christ himself was a terrorist.


Yadda wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 6:36am:

Yadda.  No one reads anything you write

You know, I was referring to your writing structure, so once again you are trying your best to misinterpret what i'm saying, or deliberately being misleading.  It's funny how often you accuse Muslims of being a deceitful religion, yet your own willingness once again leads you only further into hypocricy.

You are a hypocrite, a liar and support the slaughter of infants Yadda, and I truly hope you change

Bobby. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 6:39am:

Dear Yadda - it's too long to read, can you please make your point with one punchy line? cheers Bobby

Im actually impressed with the post.

Instead of Yadda recycling and reposting the same post week after week he has used some of his leftover brain cells and given us new information.

Yadda advocates Australian muslims to steal from fellow Australians and advocates that muslims don't know how to stab yadda.

wally1 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:28am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 6:39am: Dear Yadda - it's too long to read, can you please make your point with one punchy line? cheers Bobby Im actually impressed with the post. Instead of Yadda recycling and reposting the same post week after week he has used some of his leftover brain cells and given us new information. Yadda advocates Australian muslims to steal from fellow Australians and advocates that muslims don't know how to stab yadda.

Wow - so someone actually read it.   :o

Stratos wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 7:10am:

Yadda wrote Today at 5:58am: If i am a hypocrite, then i am not the only one here. Right, and that makes it OK why?

Because i am a human being.

[Bobby, look away now!!!]i




Stratos wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 7:10am:

Yadda wrote Today at 5:58am: "Lets save the innocent infants, by saving ISLAM and moslems, ....and we can do that, by refusing to insist that moslems must confront what is true! This is a straw man argument Yadda, I have said no such thing. I have never defended extremism. You continuously say I do, yet can provide no examples of me doing so.  And as far as showing concern for innocent children, you are being a blatant hypocrite again, because in the last 24 hours you have condoned their biblical massacre in the Old Testament and the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings.

Stratos,

You continually defend moslems in this forum.

You do this, as though the right of moslems to 'practice their religion', will have no consequence upon those persons who are not moslems.

You do this, as though the right of moslems to exercise their 'religious freedom', will have no consequence upon those persons who are not moslems.



Stratos,

In your lack of criticism of what ISLAM is [and of what, moslems to associate themselves with], you seem to be promoting the idea, that ISLAM in Australia is a benign force/entity.

But ISLAM in Australia is not a benign entity.

And in Australia moslems choose to associate themselves with ISLAM, and with all of the cultural tenets and religious laws which ISLAM imposes upon every moslem.

And in the act of declaring their association with ISLAM, [by implication!] moslems [who are living in Australia] agree with all ISLAMIC values which are being promoted by ISLAM, in the world of mankind.





A person who declares them-self to be, a moslem, is a person who chooses and agrees to be 'BOUND' [IN SUBMISSION] by the religious laws, and by the cultural tenets of ISLAM.

Stratos,

SO, IN YOUR UNCRITICAL DEFENCE OF MOSLEMS [who have all, associated themselves with what ISLAM is,]
YOU DO DEFEND EXTREMISM.



Because ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and which continues to encourage that practice even today.

There is no 'moderate' ISLAM.

And there is no 'ISLAM', which does not promote 'extremism'.

Stratos, in your defence of moslems to 'practice their religion', you are defending the right of moslems [as any 'opportunity' presents itself], to commit intimidation, extreme violence, and murder.  [...which are criminal acts, by our laws]







e.g.
ISLAMIC values, from ISLAM's foundation religious texts...

ISLAMIC values taught be ISLAM...

ISLAMIC values which are embraced by every moslem [worthy of that name];


"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29





Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1384868573/0#0

Quote:

Who is a moslem ? Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. Google; Shahadah The Shahadah is the ISLAMIC declaration of faith [so as to become a moslem]. The Shahadah goes; [quote]      “There is no god but Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.”

Do not be fooled, a person who self declares as a moslem, is a follower of ISLAM.

And ISLAM is a murderous death cult.

ISLAM's own foundation religious texts [which can be perused by anyone!] openly attest to that undeniable fact.

And the declarations of many of ISLAM's own religious scholars attest to that undeniable fact.

[/quote]






MORE....



[Bobby, i told you to look away!!!]

CONTINUED FROM LAST POST....


Stratos, defends the rights of moslems.

Stratos, defends the rights of moslems to set up a parallel and separate political state within Australia, a political state which will be formulated upon ISLAMIC values, and Sharia law.

[Stratos will of course deny that accusation. But by implication, that is what Stratos' defence of moslems, is giving comfort to - the hidden, denied, undeclared, 'religious' and 'political' ambitions of moslems.]

Stratos, defends the rights of moslems to seek to slaughter those who oppose them [moslems], but he [Stratos] will deny it.

In effect, moslems in Australia are hoping to bring 'what' is happening in Syria today [sectarian and religious violence], to every Australian suburb.

And in his uncritical support for moslems [and their religious and political 'ambitions'] Stratos, defends the rights of moslems to set up a parallel and seperate political state within Australia which will fragment Australia, and cause social upheaval and social turmoil.








What is happening in Syria ?

Syria today, is an example of moslems, 'making the world ISLAM'.


Quote:

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb


ISLAM, is a violent, murderous death cult.

And ISLAM, is a 'religious' and political philosophy which is severely injurious and damaging, to the human psyche, imo.


Q.
But if ISLAM is so injurious and evil, why aren't moslems killing more people in Australia, today ???

A.
It is because our Australian laws, and our Australian societal institutions [at this very time] are protecting Australians, from the 'religious' and political ambitions, of moslems [who are living here, among us].

[e.g.
it has been reported in the media here, how many moslems, coming from within the moslem community, within Australia!!, have eagerly rushed overseas, seeking to go to the 'hot spots' of conflict overseas!,
with the full intention, as devout moslems, to directly engage in those conflicts, which all involve moslems 'struggling' to overcome the infidels in those places, who are 'oppressing' and 'persecuting' the local moslems of those places.]






IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg
Sydney CBD, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, demanding the right to exercise their 'religious freedom'.
Moslems, demanding the right to 'practise their religion'.
Moslems, proclaiming their 'religious' right to murder persons [who are not moslems] who 'offend' moslems, by refusing to believe as they [moslems] believe.

AND MAKE NO MISTAKE, THAT, IS WHAT ISLAM TEACHES, ...TO ALL MOSLEMS [FROM CHILDHOOD].


Q.
WHAT DOES THAT IMAGE [above] DEPICT ?;
1/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation.
2/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, exercising their lawful right >>> to express <<< their views and opinions, publicly.
3/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, who are, ALSO, inciting the murder of persons who would dare to PUBLICLY EXPRESS, that they [non-moslems], do not believe as they [moslems] believe.
4/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
...i.e. their 'right', to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.
5/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, who [by their own PUBLIC DECLARATIONS] are seeking to intimidate [into silence] all other persons who may wish to PUBLICLY EXPRESS, that they [non-moslems], do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

AND #6/ What is being displayed, is group of moslems, religious bigots, openly and publicly 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.




At this time, we in Australia [i.e. persons who are not moslems], are able to make laws, which moslems are compelled to comply with, and that is a 'situation' which moslems absolutely abhor!

Moslems want to destroy our society, by destroying our laws [by making them 'impractical' and unworkable], and moslems want to destroy our societal institutions [....without which, our current society cannot exist.].

Because ISLAM is a better way, moslems insist.

e.g.
Syria.
Tunisia.
Egypt.
Libya.
Sudan.
Turkey.
Lebanon.
Yemen.
etc,
etc.

Stratos wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 7:10am:

Yadda wrote Today at 5:58am: AND REMEMBER, THE INFANTS OF AN EVIL NATION ARE INNOCENT, AND UNCORRUPTED;       IMAGE... Ah, you like moving the goalposts when it suits your argument.  That's not actually an infant.  Also, are you seriously saying that you think a child born int a Muslim household is guilty of something?  Because that's pretty messed up....  Also, once again, I don't condone extremism in any form, what i am condoning is the very vast majority of the worlds billions of Muslims who will never partake in anything like you are describing.

Stratos,

Yes you do.

You condone ISLAM, and ISLAMIC values, through your uncritical support of moslems and the moslem community, here in Australia.






Quote:

Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian. Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'" Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us". These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world. ...DDA

Google it.

Stratos wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 7:10am:

Yadda wrote Today at 6:07am: Remember that analogy to the bucket of clean, fresh water, and the second bucket of sewage Comparing Islam to a literal bucket of poo.  Not as bad as you advocating genocide, but that's really quite disgusting. Yadda wrote Today at 6:07am: The judgement of people like yourself, is that it is better to join ourselves to sewage, than to 'waste' the sewage, and remain pure and unpolluted. A straw man? again?  seriously?  I didn't say that, and never will. And trust me, if a Muslim comes on here and says it's OK to commit genocide (like you do) I will debate them too. But seeing the only extremist here is you, I'll stick to this.  Besides, no one is forcing you to go to a mosque, face Qibla or learn the Koran, so your analogy isn't only offensive, it's also factually wrong.

Stratos,

How can you have a debate [or a meaningful relationship] with someone who hides his nefarious, and violent, and criminal [by our laws] ambitions ?

How can you have a debate [or a meaningful relationship] with someone who will not speak truthfully and candidly about his ambitions ?

How can you have a debate [or a meaningful relationship] with someone who always hides his true intent towards you, behind lying denials ?





"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51


"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101


"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends.....offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11






Stratos,

You are not a sincere person.

There is a lot of it about.....




Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims London, Sept.8 [2007] A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war. Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle. A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain. Polite and softly spoken.... He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

Stratos wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 7:10am:

Yadda wrote Today at 6:36am: AND AGAIN, JUST FOR Stratos [....who pretends that he doesn't have the wit, to 'join the dots']; Dictionary; terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Oh I love when you use this one.  Because this makes any act of violence basically terrorism including.... Big J! Quote: Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves If you stick to that as your definition of terrorism, then Jesus Christ himself was a terrorist.

Stratos,

Oh, Jesus is a terrorist ?

That is your opinion ?



Jesus said that we should obey God's laws.

"Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother."
Matthew 19:16-19


Stratos,

If people break the 'common law', e.g. if people break Australian laws, does that make that person a criminal ?






Stratos,

We KNOW who these persons are.....


IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg
Sydney CBD, 2012, members of the moslem DEATH CULT,
demanding the right to exercise their 'religious freedom'.
Members of the moslem DEATH CULT, demanding the right to 'practise their religion'.
Members of the moslem DEATH CULT, proclaiming their 'religious' right to murder persons [who are not moslems], because they 'offend' and 'insult' moslems, by refusing to believe as they [moslems] believe.




Stratos,

Those [Sydney] moslems were inciting members of the moslem community to murder persons [to murder other members of the Australian community] who do not believe what moslems believe !!



Stratos,

Why aren't those [Sydney] moslems languishing in an Australian goal, for 20-30 years, for inciting members of the moslem community to murder persons who do not believe what moslems believe ?



Stratos,

Don't you believe that would be a fair punishment, for a group of people, trying to incite the moslem community to murder persons [to murder other members of the Australian community] who do not believe what moslems believe ?

Hmmmmm ?


Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Stratos wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 7:10am:

Yadda wrote Today at 6:36am: Yadda.  No one reads anything you write You know, I was referring to your writing structure, so once again you are trying your best to misinterpret what i'm saying, or deliberately being misleading.  It's funny how often you accuse Muslims of being a deceitful religion, yet your own willingness once again leads you only further into hypocricy. You are a hypocrite, a liar and support the slaughter of infants Yadda....

No i don't Stratos.

I just said that it [the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings] happened, and a lot of people died.   [i.e. consequences]

With regard to the God of Israel, ordering the destruction of the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, in the Old Testament, those events would have occurred around 3,400 years ago, under societal and cultural circumstances which are very different from today's world.

How are we to [correctly, without error] judge those events, today ?

When we have such an imperfect understanding, today, of the precursors to those events.




Stratos,

I'm not allowed, by my God, to murder 'bad' people.

To do so, would be a serious sin.


Matthew 13:28
He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29  But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.


Matthew 19:18
....Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder,....


Stratos,

Moslems insist that Jesus is a respected prophet of ISLAM.

Really ?!!!!!

Then why does ISLAM, promote this;


"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260


Remember this ?;

Matthew 19:18
....Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder,....



Aaaaah, it is because murdering apostates is lawful !!!!!

Right, Stratos ?






Stratos,

But continuing on,     ....i'm human.

My religion encourages me to live at peace with my fellow man.                  Romans 12:18

But if you think, that my God encourages me to allow myself to be robbed, or assaulted, or murdered,
......my God does not compel me, to allow myself to be robbed, or assaulted, or murdered.

Because such acts, are unlawful.         Matthew 19:16-19




Now coming to moslems;

If someone declares to me that he is a moslem, i will take him at his word,
[....including, taking into consideration all of implications of the declaration of that fact!].


Further;
If an individual, any individual, threatens to murder me,
....THEN I WILL TAKE THAT PERSON AT THEIR WORD!

How else am i expected to interpret the intent of a person, towards me [and towards the people that i love], except in how they themselves, have expressed their intent ?


Stratos,
You must remember, i'm only a flawed human being,
....a hypocrite, according to your own estimation.







Moslems, just being moslems...

IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg
Sydney CBD, 2012, members of the moslem DEATH CULT,
demanding the right to exercise their 'religious freedom'.
Members of the moslem DEATH CULT, demanding the right to 'practise their religion'.
Members of the moslem DEATH CULT, proclaiming their 'religious' right to murder persons [who are not moslems], because they 'offend' and 'insult' moslems, by refusing to believe as they [moslems] believe.



Stratos,
I don't like moslems.

Because they are moslems.

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.




Moslems, to me, are like large saltwater crocodiles [in human form], just 'laying on the bank of a river', just biding their time.

Some fools would like to try to convince us, that moslems saltwater crocodiles can be 'domesticated'.

But to me, a person who self declares as moslem, will always have the nature of a large saltwater crocodile a moslem.

Predictable [though deceitful], lethal, vicious, and unfit for civilised human society.



FOR EXAMPLE;


Quote:

Mild mannered - "We will govern for all Egyptians" - Mohamed Morsi - Ex-President of Egypt "The Koran is our constitution" "The Prophet Muhammad is our leader" "Jihad is our path" "AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

To me, Mohamed Morsi, is just an example of another large 'saltwater crocodile' [in human form] moslem.

To me, Mohamed Morsi, is just the epitome of the moslem.

Predictable [though deceitful], lethal, vicious, and unfit for civilised human society.



Stratos,

I don't want to 'destroy' moslems, or moslem society.

I just want moslems to live, separated from other human beings.

Giving moslems the opportunity to demonstrate to all of us infidels, how perfect an ISLAMIC society can be.

Hoo boy, where to start.  For convenience reasons I'm going to go in reverse through your posts.


Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 6:31am:

No i don't Stratos. I just said that it [the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings] happened, and a lot of people died.

No, actually you said this:


Quote:

How many American servicemen's lives were spared, because Japan surrendered at the conclusion of WWII ? Because American servicemen didn't have to fight Japan to a conventional warfare surrender, at the conclusion of WWII ?

Yeah yadda, nukes save lives. 


Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 6:31am:

With regard to the God of Israel, ordering the destruction of the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, in the Old Testament, those events would have occurred around 3,400 years ago, under societal and cultural circumstances which are very different from today's world. How are we to [correctly, without error] judge those events, today ?

Oh I'm sorry.  i didn't realise you condoned genocide only under certain time periods or social structures.  You are still defending the wholesale slaughter of entire races, and the infants within them.  Stop it.


Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 6:31am:

Moslems insist that Jesus is a respected prophet of ISLAM.

I'm sure you know this, but they have their own scripture regarding Jesus life.


Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 6:31am:

Predictable [though deceitful], lethal, vicious, and unfit for civilised human society.

So what about the hundreds and hundreds of millions of Muslims who live peacefully in the world?  You just going to ignore them?
Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 5:59am:

Stratos, Oh, Jesus is a terrorist ? That is your opinion ?

no actually, that is your opinion if you believe violence for political gain makes you a  terrorist.  Because that is quite clearly what Jesus was doing (destroying peoples private property) to prove a political point (that temples should not be used to sell things)

So congratulations, by attacking another religion, your own Lord and savior is a terrorist according to your own description.


Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 5:48am:

Stratos, defends the rights of moslems to set up a parallel and separate political state within Australia, a political state which will be formulated upon ISLAMIC values, and Sharia law.

If this is true, even a tiny bit, then why do we not see every populous Muslim country installed with Shariah Law?  Why aren't we seeing people beheaded in Malaysia?  Why out of the people killed by death penalty in Indonesia were there none executed for blasphemy, but several for Islamic terrorism?  Because you are wrong.

Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 5:47am:

SO, IN YOUR UNCRITICAL DEFENCE OF MOSLEMS [who have all, associated themselves with what ISLAM is,] YOU DO DEFEND EXTREMISM.

Muslim extremists are a very small unrepresentative group, that does not represent that majority of Muslims, so I don't assume they all want to cut my head off for blasphemy.

Same way I don't go around thinking that all Christians are xenophobic people who condone genocide, weapons of mass destruction and the wholesale slaughter of infants who think big J was a terrorist. 

Still didn't read any of it - one punchy line please.

Stratos wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 7:26am:

Muslim extremists are a very small unrepresentative group, that does not represent that majority of Muslims, so I don't assume they all want to cut my head off for blasphemy.

Homicidal moslem maniacs,
.....just a tiny minority of extremists.

Of course.          :P





Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 5:54am:

Stratos, You are not a sincere person. There is a lot of it about.....

Pew survey of Muslims' opinions
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1387754522/0#0i
+++


Stratos said.....
"Muslim extremists are a very small unrepresentative group...."


Hey Stratos here they all are, that tiny, tiny, minority of moslem extremists, in one place !!!

You can see all of those moslem extremists, as the camera swings around!



Quote:

Mild mannered - "We will govern for all Egyptians" - Mohamed Morsi - Ex-President of Egypt "The Koran is our constitution" "The Prophet Muhammad is our leader" "Jihad is our path" "AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

Stratos,

If only someone had thought to round up all of those moslem extremists, that decided to attend Mohamed Morsis' political address !!!!

What an opportunity missed!!!!!!!!         :(



;D

Bobby. wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 7:35am:

Still didn't read any of it - one punchy line please.

I'm still working on the wording Bobby.

But pay attention, or you'll miss it!

Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 8:16am:

Homicidal moslem maniacs, .....just a tiny minority of extremists. Of course.

Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise?  I notice you ignored my two specific examples.  There are more Muslims in Indonesia than any other country in the world, yet not only have they not executed anyone for blasphemy or apostasy, yet they have executed Islamic extremists.

According to what you have said the whole country should be  running under Shariah Law, so what happened?  Why is it not?

Stratos wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 8:55am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:16am: Homicidal moslem maniacs, .....just a tiny minority of extremists. Of course.  Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise?  I notice you ignored my two specific examples. There are more Muslims in Indonesia than any other country in the world, yet not only have they not executed anyone for blasphemy or apostasy, yet they have executed Islamic extremists. According to what you have said the whole country should be  running under Shariah Law, so what happened?  Why is it not?

Stratos,

I'm sure there are moslems in Indonesia who have done Allah's bidding in that regard.






Stratos,

In the Hadith Allah's messenger commands moslems to kill apostates.

And in the Koran, Allah commands moslems to wage war upon those who are not moslems, and to either enslave them, or, to kill them.



Stratos,

Q.
If that is true [and it is], and, if there are more moslems in Indonesia than any other country in the world, then why haven't the Indonesians invaded Australia ?


A.
Allah is a blow-hard, puny, powerless god.

And many moslems suspect it.




e.g.
In 1948, 6 or 7 Arab/moslem armies attacked the newly formed state of Israel.

Q.
In 1948, why didn't the moslem god, Allah, help the moslems to destroy the 'Zionist' state ?




The moslems had 6 or 7 well equipped Arab/moslem armies to attack Israel.

The Jews had a few WWII surplus rifles, and a few machine guns, one WWII Spitfire, one WWII Messersmitt 109 and about 6 crop dusters.

And the Arab armies ran away,
.......because the moslems decided, that they didn't really want to die for Allah.

poor little things.




+++


Stratos,

Why is your god the god of moslems, Allah, so, so, afraid of people who do not believe in him ???

Is he afraid that they may hurt him ???



In the following Hadith, it is described, how Mohammed himself, secures the political assassination of an enemy of Allah, the puny, the powerless, 'hurt', god.....



"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?"....."
bukhari #005.059.369

Q.
And i ask, how can a mortal man, hurt a god ????





A.
Allah is a spiritual 'cockroach', imo.

And he is scared of me.

Allah and his minions are terrified, of my God.

I've seen them depart hurriedly, depart very, very, hurriedly, in my lucid dreams.

Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 11:29am:

I'm sure there are moslems in Indonesia who have done Allah's bidding in that regard

Just not any that make up the laws, or lead the country apparently.


Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 11:29am:

In the Hadith Allah's messenger commands moslems to kill apostates. And in the Koran, Allah commands moslems to wage war upon those who are not moslems, and to either enslave them, or, to kill them.

And evidently this doesn't happen.  That either means that you are wrong in your interpretation of what  a Muslim is, or that these people aren't real Muslims.  Either way you are wrong.  So which is, is your interpretation of Islam wrong, or are these people not real Muslims (and therefore nothing to worry about)?

Stratos wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 12:47pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 11:29am: I'm sure there are moslems in Indonesia who have done Allah's bidding in that regard Just not any that make up the laws, or lead the country apparently. Yadda wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 11:29am: In the Hadith Allah's messenger commands moslems to kill apostates. And in the Koran, Allah commands moslems to wage war upon those who are not moslems, and to either enslave them, or, to kill them. And evidently this doesn't happen. That either means that you are wrong in your interpretation of what  a Muslim is, or that these people aren't real Muslims. Either way you are wrong. So which is, is your interpretation of Islam wrong, or are these people not real Muslims (and therefore nothing to worry about)?

Either way, i am wrong ?







Stratos,

Moslems consistently, repeatedly, making poor choices, is nothing to worry about ?

Believe that Stratos, if you will.








Quote:

Who is a moslem ? "Allah is my god, and Mohammed is his prophet." [i.e. these, are the Allah, and the Mohammed, that are described in the Koran and Hadith] By making such a declaration; "I am a moslem."; .....every moslem, is choosing to directly associate themselves with the 'religious' violence which ISLAM justifies, legitimises, promotes and encourages [within the moslem community]. And every moslem is thereby associating >> themselves << with every violent criminal act which is purposefully done, 'in the name of Allah/ISLAM'. +++ Google; Shahadah The Shahadah is the ISLAMIC declaration of faith [so as to become a moslem]. The Shahadah goes; [quote]      “There is no god but Allah; and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.” Longer versions are common, especially those beginning with “I bear witness” or “I testify,” e.g.:     “I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.”

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012/10/what-is-shahada.html




It is not credible, imo, that a person declares himself to be a 'moslem', and that that person, a self declared moslem, then tries to portray to others [non-moslems] that he is unaware that,
the fundamental tenets and laws of ISLAM, mandate a relationship of everlasting hatred and cultural enmity towards all persons who are not moslems.

[/quote]i






Stratos,

Men should worship God,        ...and not demons!


Matthew 4:9
And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10  Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.


Luke 4:6
And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7  If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8  And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 4:29pm:

Moslems consistently, repeatedly, making poor choices, is nothing to worry about ?

Wait, so now they are only "making poor choices"?  what happened to

Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 6:31am:

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

Why hasn't Indonesia executed any apostates then?  answer Yadda, are they either non-Muslims, or is your definition of a Muslim wrong?

Stratos wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 5:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 4:29pm: Moslems consistently, repeatedly, making poor choices, is nothing to worry about ? Wait, so now they are only "making poor choices"?  what happened to Yadda wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 6:31am: "...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." Why hasn't Indonesia executed any apostates then?  answer Yadda, are they either non-Muslims, or is your definition of a Muslim wrong?

Stratos,

1/ Moslems, within Indonesia, will have executed apostates.

2/ Is my definition of a moslem, wrong?

No, i don't believe so.





Stratos,

A moslem, .....is a moslem.






Stratos,

About 'moslems';


It is simple, Stratos,

There are only two questions that i need to answer, for me to have an understanding of 'what moslems are about';

Q. #1,
Who or what, is a moslem ?

A.
Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.




Q. #2,
What is a ISLAM ?



The moslem community wants 'peace' for Australia.    Honest!!!       :P

An ISLAMIC peace, for Australia, '.....Just like in muslim countries.'

as per expressed in the message of this cartoon...
http://www.sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/sheik.jpg





A few random items about ISLAM;
from the archive #1,            [the links may be defunct, but the articles are all kosher]

Creed of the sword
Mark Durie
September 23, 2006
.....the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh, issued a statement on the official Saudi news service, defending Muslims' divine right to resort to violence: "The spread of Islam has gone through several phases, secret and then public, in Mecca and Medina. God then authorised the faithful to defend themselves and to fight against those fighting them, which amounts to a right legitimised by God. This ... is quite reasonable, and God will not hate it."
Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam.
.......At the beginning, in Mohammed's Meccan period, when he was weaker and his followers few, passages of the Koran encouraged peaceful relations and avoidance of conflict: "Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." (16:125)
Later, after persecution and emigration to Medina in the first year of the Islamic calendar, authority was given to engage in warfare for defensive purposes only: "Fight in the path of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for God does not love transgressors." (2:190)
As the Muslim community grew stronger and conflict with its neighbours did not abate, further revelations expanded the licence for waging war, until in Sura 9, regarded as one of the last chapters to be revealed, it is concluded that war against non-Muslims could be waged more or less at any time and in any place to extend the dominance of Islam.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20460114-601,00.html



from the archive #2,

Outspoken Muslim seeks police protection  [....err, from his fellow moslem 'bros']
By Barney Zwartz
March 22, 2007
One of Australia's most important Muslim leaders has sought police protection after criticising controversial cleric Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali.
Tom Zreika, president of the Lebanese Muslim Association - and Sheikh Hilali's employer - said he received non-stop phone threats yesterday after he released a document urging greater integration and for Muslims to "mend their ways".
The report, prepared for a national meeting of imams in Sydney this weekend, says some Muslims are "ruining it" for all and that Australians have "had enough" of Muslims.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/outspoken-muslim-seeks-police-protection/2007/03/21/1174153164032.html



MORE....

CONTINUED FROM LAST POST....

A few random items about ISLAM;
Its 'The Religion of Peace' folks!  ...honest!!  :P      #3,

06 May 2007
Mosque violence Tensions boil over after move to replace imam
Paul Maley
A BITTER factional feud within Canberra's Islamic community has erupted into violence with a leading member being punched repeatedly in the grounds of the mosque at Yarralumla.
Secretary of the ACT Islamic Society Kurt Kennedy said he was set upon shortly after announcing the appointment of a new imam to replace the controversial Mohammed Swaiti.
He was assaulted while waiting on the mosque grounds for a lift home after announcing Mr Swaiti had been dumped and naming the new imam as Yahya Atay.
......"When our secretary Kurt Kennedy announced ... the new imam will deliver the [Friday speech] before prayer, two people jumped up and grabbed Kurt and pushed him around," he told the Canberra Sunday Times.
"They pushed him and wanted to throw him out of the mosque.
"Then the imam [Mr Swaiti] started screaming in the middle of the mosque, 'I am the imam of this mosque! I am the imam who will service you people! I will never step down! No one can force me to step down! I will be here until the day I die!"'
http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=general&story_id=582042&category=General

COMMENT;
ISLAM is a corrupt and corrupting criminal [by our laws] philosophy.
ISLAM creates 'moslems'.
moslems = = human sewage
ISLAM produces only [political] corruption, [political] oppression, injustice, human poverty, and, dead bodies.
The truth is that ISLAM is an evil philosophy, which, imo, 'creates' a mental pathology [a 'sickness'] in the psyche of those human beings who choose to embrace it.
And ISLAM is spread by moslems.



MORE....

CONTINUED FROM LAST POST....

A few random items about ISLAM;
from the archive #4,

Times Online      June 26, 2006
The roots of Islamism
Michael Gove
Islamists believe in the re-ordering of society to secure total submission to a narrow, puritan and fundamentalist interpretation of Islam. They are conducting a civil war within the Islamic world designed to overthrow existing regimes, which they consider to be unforgiveably apostate, and replace them with a single and unified Muslim state, the restored Caliphate. Islamists believe that the sanctity and culture of Muslim lands are menaced and defiled by Western influences, from capitalism to feminism, which have to be eradicated.
That cleansing process must be accomplished by suicidal violence, because, in the words of Islamism's most influential thinker, Sayyid Qutb, "the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
The bloodshed should not stop at Islam's current borders. Not just because those nations which are unIslamic constitute dar-al Harb, the House of War, which constantly threatens the security of the Muslim world. But also because Islamists are driven by a divine mission to ensure the whole earth, in due course, learns to submit to Islamist rule.
The belief that Islam's sovereignty over the whole globe is necessary and total was powerfully displayed on BBC TV's Newsnight in February 2006. Anjem Choudray, one of the leaders of the UK Islamist group al-Ghurabaa, rejected the suggestion that he might be happier pursuing his fundamentalist approach to religion and politics outside the secular and liberal political culture of the UK. England, he informed the viewers, "belongs to Allah".
[link] [See a debate with Anjem Choudray [mentioned in this article], on YOUTUBE, a short 1 min, 43 sec video.
Don't miss this very clear explanation of ISLAM's ambitions - here in the West !!!
link updated,
Muslims debate Sharia (Islam laws) over England - Sky News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOfU7wskFdg]
...The scale, scope and ambition of Islamist thinking is not hidden in any secret protocol or encoded in obscure scripture. It is proclaimed, freely and fully, in the speeches and broadcasts of Islamist ideologues from Osama bin Laden to Anjem Choudray and it is outlined in the extensive texts of the founding ideologues of Islamism [i.e. ISLAMIC world supremacy, as per, ISLAMIC 'scripture'] .
...It is a remarkable commentary on the state of analytical thinking in the West that when faced with mass-murderers, who loudly proclaim the ideological basis of their actions and prophesy victory on the basis of Western weakness, Western thinkers respond by denying the ideological motivation of their attackers and instead blame the West for stoking grievances.
...Jihadists today are not conducting a series of national liberation struggles which, if each were resolved, would lead to peace on earth and goodwill to all infidels. They are prosecuting a total war in the service of a pitiless ideology. It is only by appreciating that the enemy we face is a seamless totalitarian movement that we can begin to appreciate the scale of the challenge we must confront.
...It [ISLAM] is a specifically political movement which sees the answer to every social, cultural and moral problem in the implementation of a political programme derived from strict Islamic principles and imposed at the point of a sword. Islamism is not a campaign to restore piety through teaching, preaching and encouragement to private devotion. It is a revolutionary attempt to re-make society, by argument certainly, but also inevitably by force, in order to secure total submission to a uniquely austere and militaristic divinity.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8802-2243871,00.html




You got that straight now, Stratos ???





p.s.
Bobby, i'm still working on the wording of that one-liner.

Quote:

Bobby, i'm still working on the wording of that one-liner.

That would be great.

That all you got Yadda, to prove that, quote Muslims=sewerage?

A few outspoken nutters and a punch up?  The pub on Friday night has worse things in it! 

Also, you are avoiding my question about our close neighbors.

Why has Indonesia, the worlds most populous Muslim country has never executed an apostate if what you believe about Islam is correct