It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA

It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians

It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is

Why should we believe them?

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Why should we believe them?

Who exactly cares if "we" believe them or not?

My care factor about them is near zero. I can't say I waste much time bothering to think about them.

Well, they are more believable than this filthy excuse for a government.

Kat wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Well, they are more believable than this filthy excuse for a government.

who are more believable than the scummy Labor/Greens  alliance

I'd love to know how fully the Government investigates a refugee's accounts. Does the Australian government have the resources to investigate claims properly?

"illegals"


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Maqqa wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Kat wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:28pm: Well, they are more believable than this filthy excuse for a government. who are more believable than the scummy Labor/Greens  alliance

Oh shucks...Maqqa must have shares in a lifeboat company  :D

no one gets a refugee visa based solely on what they say, so whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:43pm:

no one gets a refugee visa based solely on what they say, so whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. :D :D :D

So what other evidence do they use?

Maqqa wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA

No.

If they're genuine refugees (and the majority are), they have absolutely no reason to lie.

You didn't think that one through, did you?

Sparky wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:43pm: no one gets a refugee visa based solely on what they say, so whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. :D :D :D So what other evidence do they use?

they INVESTIGATE the claims, and where possible have 3rd parties verify the information.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:18pm: It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA No. If they're genuine refugees (and the majority are), they have absolutely no reason to lie. You didn't think that one through, did you?

O if they throw away their passports then there's no way we can prove otherwise which is why a TPV came in but you guys wanted to that gone

Maqqa wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:47pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:18pm: It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA No. If they're genuine refugees (and the majority are), they have absolutely no reason to lie. You didn't think that one through, did you? O if they throw away their passports then there's no way we can prove otherwise which is why a TPV came in but you guys wanted to that gone

pretend your name is really maqqa, you throw away your passport and tell police that your name is maqqa ... are you lying? :D :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Sparky wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:46pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:43pm: no one gets a refugee visa based solely on what they say, so whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. :D :D :D So what other evidence do they use? they INVESTIGATE the claims, and where possible have 3rd parties verify the information.

Who are the 3rd parties?

Should we believe illegals?


Given the choice between believing a person applying for refugee status and you Macca - well you would be in trouble.



It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA

I would think that the vast majority would be better off with the truth ???

It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians

Don't see how it makes any difference, just likely the truth???

It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is

Maybe the picture is accurate ???

Maqqa wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

Should we believe illegals THESE ?

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/08/10/1226112/615316-110811-afghan-refugee-family.jpgi

... or THESE ?


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/839296-3x2-940x627.jpg

Nice TV paid by our taxes.

Then paying tax into Australia isn't something you worry about eh Buzz?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 6:41am:

Nice TV paid by our taxes. Then paying tax into Australia isn't something you worry about eh Buzz?

Um, it's an old analogue TV, Andrei, not a plasma.

You can pick them up for nothing, nowadays.

Kat wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 6:49am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:41am: Nice TV paid by our taxes. Then paying tax into Australia isn't something you worry about eh Buzz? Um, it's an old analogue TV, Andrei, not a plasma. You can pick them up for nothing, nowadays.

Bet they bought it was Australian taxpayers money though Kat.
That's where I have the problem.
Paying for these people who have contributed nothing to Australia.

Maqqa wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is Why should we believe them?

the trouble is.. they are not all illegal...

what is happening..the real thief and thats what those who come in falsely are doing they are stealing the place of the real asylum seekers... if they get away with the old.. I have no papers. cry. then more fool us...we have to do better. somewhere there are records of these people..even the poorest country keeps records..

I do wonder how many of our lefty friends...would stand by after sitting waiting for an hour for a parking spot.. only to have it snatched away by someone who just came through the gate... ::) ::) ::).. and stuck their finger up at them to boot.. ;D ;D

of course they would just go to the back of the queue and start waiting all over again...with not a whimper

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 6:41am:

Nice TV paid by our taxes. Then paying tax into Australia isn't something you worry about eh Buzz?

What do you mean "our" taxes?

Meanwhile a tv is very cheap and that doesnt look like a really good one. You would deny them a TV?

SOB

Kat wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 6:49am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:41am: Nice TV paid by our taxes. Then paying tax into Australia isn't something you worry about eh Buzz? Um, it's an old analogue TV, Andrei, not a plasma. You can pick them up for nothing, nowadays.

Not to mention an OLD line of Andrei's - as WELL
That HE - and everyone else - knows to be a LIE

( ... Andrei was the one that boasted he and his wife claimed back MORE as a "baby bonus" - than they paid as income-tax to the ATO)



Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

Bet they bought it was Australian taxpayers money though Kat. That's where I have the problem. Paying for these people who have contributed nothing to Australia.

NB:
Any second-hand "free television sets" given to refugees during settlement into Australia, are given by CHARITES - and NOT "the taxpayer"




But back to the question at hand ... "Who do you BELIEVE ?"


The refugee family - or "The Abbott" - who made an election pledge to spend his FIRST WEEK as Prime Minister working in Aboriginal communities ?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 7:52am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:41am: Nice TV paid by our taxes. Then paying tax into Australia isn't something you worry about eh Buzz? What do you mean "our" taxes? Meanwhile a tv is very cheap and that doesnt look like a really good one. You would deny them a TV? SOB

A television that size is still probably at least a couple of hundred dollars. Multiply that by 3-4,000 (I'm being generous here) plus the set-top box if the TV is an old analogue set without an in-built tuner and you end up with a cost to the taxpayer of close to $1 million.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 8:02am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 7:52am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:41am: Nice TV paid by our taxes. Then paying tax into Australia isn't something you worry about eh Buzz? What do you mean "our" taxes? Meanwhile a tv is very cheap and that doesnt look like a really good one. You would deny them a TV? SOB A television that size is still probably at least a couple of hundred dollars. Multiply that by 3-4,000 (I'm being generous here) plus the set-top box if the TV is an old analogue set without an in-built tuner and you end up with a cost to the taxpayer of close to $1 million.

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 8:00am:

NB: Any second-hand "free television sets" given to refugees during settlement into Australia, are given by CHARITES - and NOT "the taxpayer"

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 8:02am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 7:52am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:41am: Nice TV paid by our taxes. Then paying tax into Australia isn't something you worry about eh Buzz? What do you mean "our" taxes? Meanwhile a tv is very cheap and that doesnt look like a really good one. You would deny them a TV? SOB A television that size is still probably at least a couple of hundred dollars. Multiply that by 3-4,000 (I'm being generous here) plus the set-top box if the TV is an old analogue set without an in-built tuner and you end up with a cost to the taxpayer of close to $1 million.

BS. I got a 32" for 120 bucks @ a jb hifi sale and there are cheaper sales around . . . .and you dontknow if its second hand.  . . ..

Of course they USED to be expensive . . . .  the set top boxes were apparently given to everyone not just refugees.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 8:19am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 8:02am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 7:52am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:41am: Nice TV paid by our taxes. Then paying tax into Australia isn't something you worry about eh Buzz? What do you mean "our" taxes? Meanwhile a tv is very cheap and that doesnt look like a really good one. You would deny them a TV? SOB A television that size is still probably at least a couple of hundred dollars. Multiply that by 3-4,000 (I'm being generous here) plus the set-top box if the TV is an old analogue set without an in-built tuner and you end up with a cost to the taxpayer of close to $1 million. BS. I got a 32" for 120 bucks @ a jb hifi sale and there are cheaper sales around . . . .and you dontknow if its second hand.  . . .. Of course they USED to be expensive . . . .  the set top boxes were apparently given to everyone not just refugees. SOB

JB HIFI haven't sold analogue tvs for yonks. Did you buy it in 1990?

Plasmas and LCDs have never been that low at JB HIFI.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 8:47am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 8:19am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 8:02am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 7:52am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:41am: Nice TV paid by our taxes. Then paying tax into Australia isn't something you worry about eh Buzz? What do you mean "our" taxes? Meanwhile a tv is very cheap and that doesnt look like a really good one. You would deny them a TV? SOB A television that size is still probably at least a couple of hundred dollars. Multiply that by 3-4,000 (I'm being generous here) plus the set-top box if the TV is an old analogue set without an in-built tuner and you end up with a cost to the taxpayer of close to $1 million. BS. I got a 32" for 120 bucks @ a jb hifi sale and there are cheaper sales around . . . .and you dont know if its second hand.  . . .. Of course they USED to be expensive . . . .  the set top boxes were apparently given to everyone not just refugees. SOB JB HIFI haven't sold analogue tvs for yonks. Did you buy it in 1990? Plasmas and LCDs have never been that low at JB HIFI.

BS again. Its a digital LCD. . . . I also got my bluray player/recorder there. Perhaps the one where you live doesnt have them so you think none do? You dont know if that TV in the pic is digital or analogue anyway. If its analogue then they most prolly got it 2nd hand - so - cheap.

As for the sale where i got mine - the bigger ones were even cheaper but i didnt want a monster one and got a slightly  more expensive smaller one.

SOB

Maqqa wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is Why should we believe them?

I don't know of anyone who does believe them.

Bob Carr doesn't believe them. "Country-shopping economic migrants" he called them.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 9:08am:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:18pm: It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is Why should we believe them? I don't know of anyone who does believe them. Bob Carr doesn't believe them. "Country-shopping economic migrants" he called them.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-14/no-evidence-bob-carr-economic-migrants/4821544
http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/28/bob-carr/are-boat-people-economic-migrants/
http://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-asylum-seekers-really-economic-migrants-15601

Funny how the fact checking disagree with Bob Carr and his thoughts on economic migration isn't it?

Throw the poxy refugee convention out.

Turn them all back.

The worlds going to crap, we need to look after No1. Why the f.k. should we take any wanker that can afford to pay people smugglers. Why the f.k. should we take in people from over populated violent crap hole countries? Why should we take in people rebelling against their own country?

No country shoppers in OZ.

Cut the immigration intake as well.

Fudge 'em all.

Bob Carr was the NSW premier for many years, and he was in bed with the Lefties for most of that time.

That's why it was quite a shock to hear him publicly abandon the PC line about boat-people being victims and in need of our sympathy and practical help.

But then another, far more Leftwing luvvie also decided to break rank with political correctness and Victimhood politics ~ none other than Larry Pickering.

This is what this long-time socialist diehard finally exploded with when he couldn't stand the bullshit any longer.

If Pauline Hanson went public with such sentiments she would have been chased out of town ... but because it's one of their own luvvies ~ not a word said.

link 

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 9:08am:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:18pm: It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is Why should we believe them? I don't know of anyone who does believe them. Bob Carr doesn't believe them. "Country-shopping economic migrants" he called them.

"No evidence to support Foreign Minister Bob Carr's economic migrants claims

"On the available evidence, Senator Carr's claim that 100 per cent of recent arrivals are economic migrants is unsubstantiated.

"Neither his office, nor the department, has been able to produce any specific evidence to support the claim."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-14/no-evidence-bob-carr-economic-migrants/4821544

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 9:08am:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:18pm: It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is Why should we believe them? I don't know of anyone who does believe them. Bob Carr doesn't believe them. "Country-shopping economic migrants" he called them.

Carr didn't get to where he DID in politics with LUDICROUS generalisations like THAT one

He didn't believe it for a moment

It was a case of politicking and "pre-spin" strategy to get the public behind
- and prepared for - "PNG - Endgültige Lösung"




... and a pretty DISGRACEFUL strategy - at THAT

But it's perfectly fine when the ALP do it for Buzz.

Leave your morals at the door and feign outrage if you please....

Larry Pickering ... one-time poster boy for the North Shore chardonnay set.


Quote:

These people are not the Europeans who built Australia. These people do not share the same culture, ambitions, religions, social customs or laws and they have absolutely no intention to.

Quote:

Abbott's first international cable as Prime Minister should be to Indonesia: "Dear President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, or whatever your bloody name is, either you take immediate steps to ensure your country does not persist further with shipping illegal immigrants to my country or I will take immediate steps to ensure you do. We have bigger guns than you and the ones we gave you don't work anyway. My second name's not Rudd or Gillard so kindly stop breaching our borders or the next boat I see in our waters will be firmly inserted up your clacker,

Quote:

The Gillard Government has forced us to pay a heavy price for its dubious UN status and Gillard won't be around to see the horrific results of her facilitated Islamic invasion. ... but our children will be.

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 9:41am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:08am: Maqqa wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:18pm: It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is Why should we believe them? I don't know of anyone who does believe them. Bob Carr doesn't believe them. "Country-shopping economic migrants" he called them. Carr didn't get to where he DID in politics with LUDICROUS generalisations like THAT one He didn't believe it for a moment It was a case of politicking and "pre-spin" strategy to get the public behind - and prepared for - "PNG - Endgültige Lösung" ... and a pretty DISGRACEFUL strategy - at THAT

Carr didn't get to where he DID in politics with LUDICROUS generalisations like THAT one

He didn't believe it for a moment


>:( >:( >:( >:(  Well why f#@$% say it  Just another lying LABOR POLY  Par for the course  >:( >:( >:( >:(

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 9:36am:

Bob Carr was the NSW premier for many years, and he was in bed with the Lefties for most of that time. That's why it was quite a shock to hear him publicly abandon the PC line about boat-people being victims and in need of our sympathy and practical help.

Maybe as Foreign Minister he received a few confidential briefings that made explicit something that anyone apart from a luvvie can work out using common sense. 

Larry Pickering, Gary Johns . . .buzz will run out of coloured pencils soon in his rantings against right turners.

Datalife wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 9:54am:

Maybe as Foreign Minister he received a few confidential briefings that made explicit something that anyone apart from a luvvie can work out using common sense.

Something definitely pissed him off greatly within Labor circles to make him jump the fence so resolutely to then hold forth like a One Nation MP looking to further secure his place with the Righties.

But Larry Pickering is an even bigger surprise. Was once Leftwing to his bootstraps ~ but apparently has since realised how Australia has been getting screwed for years by successive governments doing the UN's bidding by holding the doors open to tens of thousands whose loyalties are reserved for Islam and the Muslim Middle East.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 9:51am:

Larry Pickering ...

Pickering?


http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj91f1DQGI1qbrwu5o1_500.gif


Who's next: Ben Fordham? 

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 9:49am:

But it's perfectly fine when the ALP do it for Buzz.

When the ALP "do" WHAT for Buzz ?
What ARE you TALKING about, man ?

But wait! There's MORE!  :)

Larry 'one-time-Pinko' Pickering.


Quote:

Wherever the West has interfered in this base culture it loses our young men’s lives and incentivises Islamic radicals. Disposing of strongman Saddam Hussein left Iraq leaderless and lawless in a civil war. Iraq is much worse off. Disposing of Libya’s Gaddafi has given Al Queda a new North African foothold. Libya is much worse off. Obama’s support of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood has led to the overthrow of an “elected” Morsi, a military coup and civil war. Egypt is much worse off. Obama’s support of Syrian rebels has united and emboldened Al Queda factions at the cost of 100,000 lives, a refugee catastrophe and an ongoing civil war. Syria is much worse off. The US and our compliant involvement in Afghanistan is another disaster. A makeshift Afghani army and police force that loses half its recruits to desertions while the other half remain as Taliban plants conducting Green on Blue atrocities. It’s a pathetic patch to justify an ignominious coalition retreat.

link

woody2014 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 9:53am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:41am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:08am: Maqqa wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:18pm: It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is Why should we believe them? I don't know of anyone who does believe them. Bob Carr doesn't believe them. "Country-shopping economic migrants" he called them. Carr didn't get to where he DID in politics with LUDICROUS generalisations like THAT one He didn't believe it for a moment It was a case of politicking and "pre-spin" strategy to get the public behind - and prepared for - "PNG - Endgültige Lösung" ... and a pretty DISGRACEFUL strategy - at THAT Carr didn't get to where he DID in politics with LUDICROUS generalisations like THAT one He didn't believe it for a moment >:( >:( >:( >:(  Well why f#@$% say it  Just another lying LABOR POLY  Par for the course  >:( >:( >:( >:(

I have never known a politician of ANY colour do anything BUT lie - when playing advocate for off shore imprisonment of refugees

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:49am: But it's perfectly fine when the ALP do it for Buzz. When the ALP "do" WHAT for Buzz ? What ARE you TALKING about, man ?

You'll happily back anything if Labor do it .

Last election the ALP went to the polls with a policy of sending refugees to PNG and how did you vote?

How's those humanitarian morals?  ;D

Everything Pickering is quoted as saying there is true.
Obama comes at a long line of irresponsible western leaders.

John Smith wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:43pm:

no one gets a refugee visa based solely on what they say, so whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. :D :D :D

Think again.
The Department of Immigration does and has never had a hotline to the Ayatollah in Iran, or to the warlords in northern Pakistan, nor to terrorist held areas of Afghanistan, so how exactly did the department carry out any investigations when a country shoppers identity cannot be established.
It is simply not possible which is why Labor instigated it's 'benefit of the doubt' policy which the department used for many years to allow the asylum process to proceed and to move the people out of the overflowing detention centres.
Scott Morrison has previously called this practice dangerous, and stated that it impacts heavily on our national security.
Labor itself must have known this otherwise they would not have stopped asylum claims 12 months before the election.
Even Labor dunderclumpers must have realised at the time that allowing tens of thousands of 'benefit of the doubt' recipients to live in our communities was a stupid idea.
Which is now why the Coalition will not process claims for asylum from those who arrive illegally without passports which was what they stated before the announcement that no boat person would ever settle in this country.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:26am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:14am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:49am: But it's perfectly fine when the ALP do it for Buzz. When the ALP "do" WHAT for Buzz ? What ARE you TALKING about, man ? You'll happily back anything if Labor do it . Last election the ALP went to the polls with a policy of sending refugees to PNG and how did you vote?

I voted ...

GREENS 1
LABOR 2

... in BOTH houses


( ... Labor - over LibNat - as the lesser of 2 evils on humanitarian policy - but the REALITY is, we will ALWAYS have a Labor or LibNat GOVERNMENT

It is UNREALISTIC, SENSELESS, IMMATURE and MORONIC to say "I endorse NEITHER" )

oh dear... after the previous 6 years of totally incompetent government.  ::) ::) ::)

Grendel wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:49am:

oh dear... after the previous 6 years of totally incompetent government.

While that is your opinion you need to be careful with the current rabble making them look very good in comparison.

Well that's just your opinion and not a very credible one at that.  :D

I think it would probably be better to quote some people before senility set in.

Grendel wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:49am:

oh dear... after the previous 6 years of totally incompetent government.  ::) ::) ::)

And it looks like we're in for another 6 years of incompetency.

As far as the claims by the asylum seekers - they're probably true. The ADF follows the instructions of the government and when the government doesn't care about the boat people - why should the navy?

Grendel wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:49am:

oh dear... after the previous 6 years of totally incompetent government.

A REPOST, full of the FACTS ...


longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:03am:

buzzanddidj wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 8:54am: longweekend58 wrote on May 19th, 2013 at 8:04pm: We DO have high levels of debt. In fact it is the largest in our history in dollar terms and very close to the largest in GDP terms. and what is worse is that only a mere 6 years ago we have NO DEBT at all. Don't pretend to be STUPID It doesn't BECOME you Even John Howard is capable of coming clean with the TRUTH - occasionally - and giving credit, where credit is DUE Quote: Former prime minister John Howard gave the economy a big tick before Treasurer Wayne Swan delivered his sixth budget on Tuesday night. ''And our debt to GDP ratio, the amount of money we owe, to the strength of our economy, is still a lot better than most other countries,'' he said. He said Australia's economy was better than the economies of Japan, the US and most European countries. This is in stark contrast to his protege and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's assessment of doom and gloom on Monday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/resilient-economy-in-better-shape-than-most-says-howard-20130514-2jke5.html#ixzz2Te3JNgsM Australia’s GFC stimulus debt is the second lowest in the OECD. Gross debt stands at 28.9% of GDP. This compares to Japan at 224%, Greece at 193.2%, Portugal at 133.1%, Italy at 129.6%, Ireland at 127.7%, United States at 113%, France at 108.2%, UK at 110.4%, Canada at 85.5%, Spain at 100.2% Germany at 86.2%. you have a poor definition of 'good'.

MY definition ?
I just presented the FACTS




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGeNUmoCQAAGGVT.jpg




The BIG ticks of APPROVAL come from ...

Standard & Poor's
Moody's
Fitch's
The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)
EuroMoney (Finance Minister of the Year Honours)
The International Monetary Fund (IMF)
The Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA)
The Australian Bureau of Statistics ( ... by stealth)
The Butcher
The Baker
The Candlestick Maker

... and NOW - a few days back - the former member for Bennelong


The ONLY talking down of the ecomomy and the Federal Treasurer is coming from the Opposition, NEWS Ltd - and Sydney shock-jocks


I know who I trust

mantra wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 11:00am:

Grendel wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:49am: oh dear... after the previous 6 years of totally incompetent government.  ::) ::) ::) And it looks like we're in for another 6 years of incompetency. As far as the claims by the asylum seekers - they're probably true. The ADF follows the instructions of the government and when the government doesn't care about the boat people - why should the navy?

Yes, that's also my take on it.

Jakarta now finds itself in the self-inflicted situation of having 'stocked up' on country-shoppers heading for Australia who Abbott has now made stranded with nowhere to go.

Needless to say the country-shopper industry has greased a lot of official palms in Indonesia over the years. They'll have to find an alternative source of extra pocket-money.

Grendel wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

Well that's just your opinion and not a very credible one at that.  :D

While your spew was purely your opinion and not a very credible  one at that. ::)

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 12:25pm:

Jakarta now finds itself in the self-inflicted situation of having 'stocked up' on country-shoppers heading for Australia who Abbott has now made stranded with nowhere to go. Needless to say the country-shopper industry has greased a lot of official palms in Indonesia over the years. They'll have to find an alternative source of extra pocket-money.

Great point Herb

This is why you'll hear lots of noises from Indonesia

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:43am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:43pm: no one gets a refugee visa based solely on what they say, so whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. :D :D :D Think again. The Department of Immigration does and has never had a hotline to the Ayatollah in Iran, or to the warlords in northern Pakistan, nor to terrorist held areas of Afghanistan, so how exactly did the department carry out any investigations when a country shoppers identity cannot be established. It is simply not possible which is why Labor instigated it's 'benefit of the doubt' policy which the department used for many years to allow the asylum process to proceed and to move the people out of the overflowing detention centres. Scott Morrison has previously called this practice dangerous, and stated that it impacts heavily on our national security. Labor itself must have known this otherwise they would not have stopped asylum claims 12 months before the election. Even Labor dunderclumpers must have realised at the time that allowing tens of thousands of 'benefit of the doubt' recipients to live in our communities was a stupid idea. Which is now why the Coalition will not process claims for asylum from those who arrive illegally without passports which was what they stated before the announcement that no boat person would ever settle in this country.

Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP.

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP.

Capt iPad and his family?

Maqqa wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:29pm: Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP. Capt iPad and his family?

No system is perfect Gumpy .... he's one example, out of over 50 000 asylum seekers, thats a pretty good record ... do you think Howard got them all right?

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:43am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:43pm: no one gets a refugee visa based solely on what they say, so whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. :D :D :D Think again. The Department of Immigration does and has never had a hotline to the Ayatollah in Iran, or to the warlords in northern Pakistan, nor to terrorist held areas of Afghanistan, so how exactly did the department carry out any investigations when a country shoppers identity cannot be established. It is simply not possible which is why Labor instigated it's 'benefit of the doubt' policy which the department used for many years to allow the asylum process to proceed and to move the people out of the overflowing detention centres. Scott Morrison has previously called this practice dangerous, and stated that it impacts heavily on our national security. Labor itself must have known this otherwise they would not have stopped asylum claims 12 months before the election. Even Labor dunderclumpers must have realised at the time that allowing tens of thousands of 'benefit of the doubt' recipients to live in our communities was a stupid idea. Which is now why the Coalition will not process claims for asylum from those who arrive illegally without passports which was what they stated before the announcement that no boat person would ever settle in this country.

Excellent point

This is why the TPV was in introduced

The illegals decide to call TPV inhumane

The Greens took this line, hook and sinker

This is why we should never allow the Greens anywhere near sharp objects

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:33pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:29pm: Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP. Capt iPad and his family? No system is perfect Gumpy .... he's one example, out of over 50 000 asylum seekers, thats a pretty good record ... do you think Howard got them all right?

1 in 50,000 under Labor

ZERO in 1500 under LIBs

that in itself shows you are incompetent

Maqqa wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

1 in 50,000 under Labor

oh good, by your own admission refugees are better behaved than the average Aussie.  How progressive of you!

Maqqa wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:37pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:33pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:29pm: Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP. Capt iPad and his family? No system is perfect Gumpy .... he's one example, out of over 50 000 asylum seekers, thats a pretty good record ... do you think Howard got them all right? 1 in 50,000 under Labor ZERO in 1500 under LIBs that in itself shows you are incompetent

not zero in 1500 under the libs, the libs got indentity checks wrong too Gumpy

I seem to recall Howard send an Aussie woman to some backward country because they got her identity wrong? And she was BORN HERE.  :D :D :D

Should we believe illegals?

Why not they had nothing to gain and the burns to prove it?

Dnarever wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

Should we believe illegals? Why not they had nothing to gain and the burns to prove it?

So you have seen the burns  ;D ;D   O M G  and they beat s h i t     out of them with  RUNNER     FFS GET A GRIP >:( >:(

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 9:41am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:08am: Maqqa wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:18pm: It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is Why should we believe them? I don't know of anyone who does believe them. Bob Carr doesn't believe them. "Country-shopping economic migrants" he called them. "No evidence to support Foreign Minister Bob Carr's economic migrants claims "On the available evidence, Senator Carr's claim that 100 per cent of recent arrivals are economic migrants is unsubstantiated. "Neither his office, nor the department, has been able to produce any specific evidence to support the claim." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-14/no-evidence-bob-carr-economic-migrants/4821544

Since when has any government department provided such information to a media source.
It just doesn't happen.
The government does not have to substantiate anything to the media, and never will and is unlikely to do so in the future.
Governments don't work that way.
And just because they refuse to justify their claims does not mean what they claim isn't true.
He was the Foreign Minister who worked closely with the Immigration department on a daily basis, not the ABC.

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:40pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:37pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:33pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:29pm: Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP. Capt iPad and his family? No system is perfect Gumpy .... he's one example, out of over 50 000 asylum seekers, thats a pretty good record ... do you think Howard got them all right? 1 in 50,000 under Labor ZERO in 1500 under LIBs that in itself shows you are incompetent not zero in 1500 under the libs, the libs got indentity checks wrong too Gumpy I seem to recall Howard send an Aussie woman to some backward country because they got her identity wrong? And she was BORN HERE.  :D :D :D

You might also recall then that she was a mental case, spoke in a foreign language and refused to co-operate with the authorities.
Mistakes can happen, particularly when dealing with people like this one.

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:43am: John Smith wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:43pm: no one gets a refugee visa based solely on what they say, so whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. :D :D :D Think again. The Department of Immigration does and has never had a hotline to the Ayatollah in Iran, or to the warlords in northern Pakistan, nor to terrorist held areas of Afghanistan, so how exactly did the department carry out any investigations when a country shoppers identity cannot be established. It is simply not possible which is why Labor instigated it's 'benefit of the doubt' policy which the department used for many years to allow the asylum process to proceed and to move the people out of the overflowing detention centres. Scott Morrison has previously called this practice dangerous, and stated that it impacts heavily on our national security. Labor itself must have known this otherwise they would not have stopped asylum claims 12 months before the election. Even Labor dunderclumpers must have realised at the time that allowing tens of thousands of 'benefit of the doubt' recipients to live in our communities was a stupid idea. Which is now why the Coalition will not process claims for asylum from those who arrive illegally without passports which was what they stated before the announcement that no boat person would ever settle in this country. Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP.

The Minister for Immigration says different eh. ;)

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:41pm:

The government does not have to substantiate anything to the media, and never will and is unlikely to do so in the future. Governments don't work that way. And just because they refuse to justify their claims does not mean what they claim isn't true. He was the Foreign Minister who worked closely with the Immigration department on a daily basis, not the ABC.

So you are clearly deciding to believe your prejudice in the face of actual evidence.

Got facts this time or just passing through?  Find one piece of evidence that actually supports his ridiculous claim and I'll be very surprised.

Maqqa wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is Why should we believe them?

maqqa, the picture they paint is quite grim.  the air-con is set at 22 and they'd prefer 21.
they have to play call of duty on xbox and most are trained on PS3.
they get the re constituted maple syrup on their ice cream, not the genuine canadian one.
theres only 1 human rights lawyer per illegal to come and hold their hand and coach them in PTSD symptoms.
they sometimes get nasty papaer cuts from the disability pension forms they have to fill in.

life is hell for the illegal  ;)

Maqqa wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:27pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 12:25pm: Jakarta now finds itself in the self-inflicted situation of having 'stocked up' on country-shoppers heading for Australia who Abbott has now made stranded with nowhere to go. Needless to say the country-shopper industry has greased a lot of official palms in Indonesia over the years. They'll have to find an alternative source of extra pocket-money. Great point Herb This is why you'll hear lots of noises from Indonesia

It means they're stuck with a few thousand disgruntled Middle Easterners who now know they'll have to wait until the return of the Australian Labor Party before they'll be given access to Australia's Social Welfare bonanza when they're not sitting in a taxi rank refusing people with guide dogs a fare because Islam teaches that dogs are 'haram'.

Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono now knows he's not dealing with the usual conga-line of suckhole wimps that have been crawling up his arse these past few years.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

theres only 1 human rights lawyer per illegal to come and hold their hand and coach them in PTSD symptoms.

Whatever happened to the 'lip-sewing' ploy? That one enjoyed a vogue during the war in Yugoslavia when we had Albanian and Bosnian Muslims claiming asylum here.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:50pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:40pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:37pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:33pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:29pm: Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP. Capt iPad and his family? No system is perfect Gumpy .... he's one example, out of over 50 000 asylum seekers, thats a pretty good record ... do you think Howard got them all right? 1 in 50,000 under Labor ZERO in 1500 under LIBs that in itself shows you are incompetent not zero in 1500 under the libs, the libs got indentity checks wrong too Gumpy I seem to recall Howard send an Aussie woman to some backward country because they got her identity wrong? And she was BORN HERE.  :D :D :D You might also recall then that she was a mental case, spoke in a foreign language and refused to co-operate with the authorities. Mistakes can happen, particularly when dealing with people like this one.

So when its libs it's 'mistakes can happen'... but when it happens under labor its the end of the world?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

double standards anybody?

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:29pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:43am: John Smith wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:43pm: no one gets a refugee visa based solely on what they say, so whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. :D :D :D Think again. The Department of Immigration does and has never had a hotline to the Ayatollah in Iran, or to the warlords in northern Pakistan, nor to terrorist held areas of Afghanistan, so how exactly did the department carry out any investigations when a country shoppers identity cannot be established. It is simply not possible which is why Labor instigated it's 'benefit of the doubt' policy which the department used for many years to allow the asylum process to proceed and to move the people out of the overflowing detention centres. Scott Morrison has previously called this practice dangerous, and stated that it impacts heavily on our national security. Labor itself must have known this otherwise they would not have stopped asylum claims 12 months before the election. Even Labor dunderclumpers must have realised at the time that allowing tens of thousands of 'benefit of the doubt' recipients to live in our communities was a stupid idea. Which is now why the Coalition will not process claims for asylum from those who arrive illegally without passports which was what they stated before the announcement that no boat person would ever settle in this country. Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP. The Minister for Immigration says different eh. ;)

He can't tell you anyway .... due to 'operational security'

aquascoot wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:18pm: It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is Why should we believe them? maqqa, the picture they paint is quite grim.  the air-con is set at 22 and they'd prefer 21. they have to play call of duty on xbox and most are trained on PS3. they get the re constituted maple syrup on their ice cream, not the genuine canadian one. theres only 1 human rights lawyer per illegal to come and hold their hand and coach them in PTSD symptoms. they sometimes get nasty papaer cuts from the disability pension forms they have to fill in. life is hell for the illegal  ;)

aqua, of course, has proof of all of these claims.

Or, perhaps not.

We can only wait and see.

;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 2:58pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:18pm: It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is Why should we believe them? maqqa, the picture they paint is quite grim.  the air-con is set at 22 and they'd prefer 21. they have to play call of duty on xbox and most are trained on PS3. they get the re constituted maple syrup on their ice cream, not the genuine canadian one. theres only 1 human rights lawyer per illegal to come and hold their hand and coach them in PTSD symptoms. they sometimes get nasty papaer cuts from the disability pension forms they have to fill in. life is hell for the illegal  ;) aqua, of course, has proof of all of these claims.

No.

Aqua is full of racist sh1t.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:50pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:40pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:37pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:33pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:29pm: Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP. Capt iPad and his family? No system is perfect Gumpy .... he's one example, out of over 50 000 asylum seekers, thats a pretty good record ... do you think Howard got them all right? 1 in 50,000 under Labor ZERO in 1500 under LIBs that in itself shows you are incompetent not zero in 1500 under the libs, the libs got indentity checks wrong too Gumpy I seem to recall Howard send an Aussie woman to some backward country because they got her identity wrong? And she was BORN HERE.  :D :D :D You might also recall then that she was a mental case, spoke in a foreign language and refused to co-operate with the authorities. Mistakes can happen, particularly when dealing with people like this one.

You might also recall then that she was a mental case, spoke in a foreign language and refused to co-operate with the authorities.

Whoops: No that was a different one - that one was still locked up in Australia.

It is understandable - there were so many that it is easy to get them confused.

woody2014 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 2:07pm: Should we believe illegals? Why not they had nothing to gain and the burns to prove it? So you have seen the burns  ;D ;D   O M G  and they beat s h i t     out of them with  RUNNER     for goodness sake GET A GRIP >:( >:(

Read the story fella ??? The police officer who took the report commented that the burns were real.

Jakarta is finally getting its comeuppance for years of treating the Australian government with open contempt.


Quote:

Indonesia's government and military are closing ranks against Australia's policy to turn back asylum seeker boats, after claims two boats were recently forced back to Indonesia. The Indonesian president's office has backed his foreign minister's rejection of Australia turning boats around as unhelpful. And another senior Indonesian official has warned that such a "provocative action" would "trigger more conflict, it will have an impact broadly and fundamentally on the bilateral relations". Meanwhile, Indonesia's military chief says media reports suggesting that he supported Australian policy of sending asylum seeker boats back to Indonesia are misleading. He said while he did speak with his Australian counterpart, General David Hurley, and understood Australia's stance, his words had been twisted and he does not support the policy.

link

The sheer gall of these people is only what one can expect from a Third World banana republic where graft, corruption, nepotism, the greasing of palms, bribery, and criminal collusion is all part of the culture at the highest levels of government.

At long last these conceited Indonesians are getting a little of their own back from the Abbott government.

By returning the boats, Abbott is creating a tit-for-tat level playing field that has the Jakarta leadership spitting-the-dummy for the first time in decades.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 2:16pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 2:07pm: Should we believe illegals? Why not they had nothing to gain and the burns to prove it? So you have seen the burns  ;D ;D   O M G  and they beat s h i t     out of them with  RUNNER     for goodness sake GET A GRIP >:( >:( Read the story fella ??? The police officer who took the report commented that the burns were real.

We saw those burns last night on 9 nine news. They were real burns all right, real burns from 6 months plus ago! 

You guys are gullible di*kheads, thank god your only behind a computer dribbling shyte.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:08pm: aquascoot wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 2:58pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:18pm: It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is Why should we believe them? maqqa, the picture they paint is quite grim.  the air-con is set at 22 and they'd prefer 21. they have to play call of duty on xbox and most are trained on PS3. they get the re constituted maple syrup on their ice cream, not the genuine canadian one. theres only 1 human rights lawyer per illegal to come and hold their hand and coach them in PTSD symptoms. they sometimes get nasty papaer cuts from the disability pension forms they have to fill in. life is hell for the illegal  ;) aqua, of course, has proof of all of these claims. No. Aqua is full of racist sh1t.

aqua is full of common sense. ;)

aquascoot wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:24pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:08pm: aquascoot wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 2:58pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:18pm: It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is Why should we believe them? maqqa, the picture they paint is quite grim.  the air-con is set at 22 and they'd prefer 21. they have to play call of duty on xbox and most are trained on PS3. they get the re constituted maple syrup on their ice cream, not the genuine canadian one. theres only 1 human rights lawyer per illegal to come and hold their hand and coach them in PTSD symptoms. they sometimes get nasty papaer cuts from the disability pension forms they have to fill in. life is hell for the illegal  ;) aqua, of course, has proof of all of these claims. No. Aqua is full of racist sh1t. aqua is full of common sense. ;)

He hides it well.

De-registered User wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:22am:

We saw those burns last night on 9 nine news.

9 "News".

Hmmm.

Where else do you get your information: 60 Minutes, Andrew Bolt, A Current Affair?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 12:32pm:

De-registered User wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:22am: We saw those burns last night on 9 nine news. 9 "News". Hmmm. Where else do you get your information: 60 Minutes, Andrew Bolt, A Current Affair?

To many conservatives a balanced view means listening to both Bolt and Akerman - all you need to know.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:24pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:08pm: aquascoot wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 2:58pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:18pm: It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is Why should we believe them? maqqa, the picture they paint is quite grim.  the air-con is set at 22 and they'd prefer 21. they have to play call of duty on xbox and most are trained on PS3. they get the re constituted maple syrup on their ice cream, not the genuine canadian one. theres only 1 human rights lawyer per illegal to come and hold their hand and coach them in PTSD symptoms. they sometimes get nasty papaer cuts from the disability pension forms they have to fill in. life is hell for the illegal  ;) aqua, of course, has proof of all of these claims. No. Aqua is full of racist sh1t. aqua is full of common sense.

If you were to assume that the answer is probably about half way between you get:


Aqua is half full of racist sh1t.

Compromise: now everyone is happy

For over 50,000 years Australia has been a nation of white people and we dont wanna start allowing darkies onto our hallowed ground.
Ya cant trust darkies...especially those cunning enough to get on boats  :D

adelcrow wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 12:47pm:

For over 50,000 years Australia has been a nation of white people and we dont wanna start allowing darkies onto our hallowed ground. Ya cant trust darkies...especially those cunning enough to get on boats  :D

:D :D

Stratos wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:48pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 2:41pm: The government does not have to substantiate anything to the media, and never will and is unlikely to do so in the future. Governments don't work that way. And just because they refuse to justify their claims does not mean what they claim isn't true. He was the Foreign Minister who worked closely with the Immigration department on a daily basis, not the ABC. So you are clearly deciding to believe your prejudice in the face of actual evidence. Got facts this time or just passing through?  Find one piece of evidence that actually supports his ridiculous claim and I'll be very surprised.

No, I'm deciding to believe Bob Carr who was in the box seat with this issue at the time over a left wing media source who's agenda is clear.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

No, I'm deciding to believe Bob Carr who was in the box seat with this issue at the time over a left wing media source who's agenda is clear.

One persons unprovable claim.

You are biased as anything, and are grasping st straws to try and justify bigotry.

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 2:48pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:29pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:43am: John Smith wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:43pm: no one gets a refugee visa based solely on what they say, so whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. :D :D :D Think again. The Department of Immigration does and has never had a hotline to the Ayatollah in Iran, or to the warlords in northern Pakistan, nor to terrorist held areas of Afghanistan, so how exactly did the department carry out any investigations when a country shoppers identity cannot be established. It is simply not possible which is why Labor instigated it's 'benefit of the doubt' policy which the department used for many years to allow the asylum process to proceed and to move the people out of the overflowing detention centres. Scott Morrison has previously called this practice dangerous, and stated that it impacts heavily on our national security. Labor itself must have known this otherwise they would not have stopped asylum claims 12 months before the election. Even Labor dunderclumpers must have realised at the time that allowing tens of thousands of 'benefit of the doubt' recipients to live in our communities was a stupid idea. Which is now why the Coalition will not process claims for asylum from those who arrive illegally without passports which was what they stated before the announcement that no boat person would ever settle in this country. Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP. The Minister for Immigration says different eh. ;) He can't tell you anyway .... due to 'operational security'

He has already explained the process on air.
And the workings of the Department of Immigration has zip to do with operational matters.

Stratos wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 1:36pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 1:33pm: No, I'm deciding to believe Bob Carr who was in the box seat with this issue at the time over a left wing media source who's agenda is clear. One persons unprovable claim. You are biased as anything, and are grasping st straws to try and justify bigotry.

No, I was listening to someone who obviously was in a position to know the facts.
And he wasn't 'one person'.
He was the Foreign Minister.
Taken into account similar comments also made by the High Commissioner to Sri Lanka prior to Bob Carr's statement, I think that's good enough eh.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

No, I was listening to someone who obviously was in a position to know the facts.

Except he wasn't as the three sources I linked to made evident.


chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

And he wasn't 'one person'. He was the Foreign Minister.

Is that some kind of joke?


chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Taken into account similar comments also made by the High Commissioner to Sri Lanka prior to Bob Carr's statement, I think that's good enough eh.

Come up with some facts to support it it.  Facts Chicken.  Then MAYBE you can justify having your bigoted opinion. 

I've provided multiple sources and you have provided nothing.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 1:36pm:

And the workings of the Department of Immigration has zip to do with operational matters

maybe you could let morrison know that !!!

Lets face it..we just dont want darkies in this country

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 12:29pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 11:15am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:24pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:08pm: aquascoot wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 2:58pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:18pm: It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is Why should we believe them? maqqa, the picture they paint is quite grim.  the air-con is set at 22 and they'd prefer 21. they have to play call of duty on xbox and most are trained on PS3. they get the re constituted maple syrup on their ice cream, not the genuine canadian one. theres only 1 human rights lawyer per illegal to come and hold their hand and coach them in PTSD symptoms. they sometimes get nasty papaer cuts from the disability pension forms they have to fill in. life is hell for the illegal  ;) aqua, of course, has proof of all of these claims. No. Aqua is full of racist sh1t. aqua is full of common sense. ;) He hides it well.

the townsville bulletin understands the common man,  sarah and yourself , slightly less so

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 8:47am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 8:19am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 8:02am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 7:52am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:41am: Nice TV paid by our taxes. Then paying tax into Australia isn't something you worry about eh Buzz? What do you mean "our" taxes? Meanwhile a tv is very cheap and that doesnt look like a really good one. You would deny them a TV? SOB A television that size is still probably at least a couple of hundred dollars. Multiply that by 3-4,000 (I'm being generous here) plus the set-top box if the TV is an old analogue set without an in-built tuner and you end up with a cost to the taxpayer of close to $1 million. BS. I got a 32" for 120 bucks @ a jb hifi sale and there are cheaper sales around . . . .and you dont know if its second hand.  . . .. Of course they USED to be expensive . . . .  the set top boxes were apparently given to everyone not just refugees. SOB JB HIFI haven't sold analogue tvs for yonks. Did you buy it in 1990? Plasmas and LCDs have never been that low at JB HIFI. You dont know if that TV in the pic is digital or analogue anyway. If its analogue then they most prolly got it 2nd hand - so - cheap.

The one in the picture is clearly a CRT. Only a handful or CRT TV's had digital tuners built in. Almost all of them needed a digital box.


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BS again. Its a digital LCD. . . . I also got my bluray player/recorder there. Perhaps the one where you live doesnt have them so you think none do?... ... As for the sale where i got mine - the bigger ones were even cheaper but i didnt want a monster one and got a slightly  more expensive smaller one. SOB

They had bigger than 32 inch for sale for less than $120? Even "monster ones" to the point that you chose to go with the little 32 inch as the others were simply too big?

I have never seen a 32 inch for $120. Not even a refurbished Soniq. The cheapest TV's at JB are always on-line sales, and even on-line, I have never seen $120 32 inch TV's. Not even close. The idea that ones too big (I'm guessing it would have to be at least in the 50 inch area, as 42 inch is fairly common these days and isn't a "monster") to be under $120 is...

.... yeah, that's just not happening. If you are going accuse Misty of speaking BS, you really need to back that up. No one is going to believe that you can buy a monster TV (well bigger than 32 inch) for under $120 in a shop in Australia. Well, not from an actual shop as opposed to the back of a van parked behind the shop...