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Title: Abbotts silence Post by adelcrow on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:09pm
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-09/indonesian-military-chief-discussed-boat-turnbacks-with-adf-boss/5191486
Abbott reckons that if the govt lifts its silence on asylum seekers that it will only encourage the people smugglers. So Abbott is saying that while in opposition that he actively encouraged people smuggling by going on about it in the press day in and day out. |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by Greens_Win on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:14pm
Yes Abbott in opposition propagated more drownings for his own personal political gain.
Shame Abbott, Shame ! |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:19pm
Grasping at straws, LMAO!!! More than 2000 people during November 2012 down to less than 200 in November 2013. His plan is working and it's driving you insane. Such a joy to watch your meltdown. ;D ;D ;D
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Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by Greens_Win on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:21pm
Which plan, the plan to treat voters like mushrooms. In the dark and feed shite?
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Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:35pm ____ wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:21pm:
A weekly briefing isn't enough? You want hourly updates? ;D |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by dsmithy70 on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:49pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:35pm:
The truth would suffice. |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:49pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
... and that's what you get once a week. ;) |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by dsmithy70 on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:55pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
No sorry, I don't believe we do. "Operational Matters" "On going on water operations" Are not truthful answers they are deliberate phrases to hide the truth. Then again, you get your news from the Tele, all your used to is Innuendo, Opinion, Hearsay reported as truth. |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 9th, 2014 at 4:40pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:19pm:
Yes Armpit but how is this an answer to Adelcrow's point that while Abbott was in opposition he deliberately caused an increase in the number of refugee boats to Australia because Abbott was giving constant publicity to the issue. And it seems Abbott did so knowingly because as he repeated often since he's been in govt , giving publicity to this issue only encourages people smugglers. And more to the point what Abbott is now admitting to is that he deliberately sabotaged the Rudd governments efforts to stop people smuggling so that Abbott could accuse the Rudd government of failing to stop the boats. Despicable, and a betrayal of the trust of the Australian people. |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by Aussie on Jan 9th, 2014 at 5:07pm adelcrow wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:09pm:
Outstanding catch Mr Crow! |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by adelcrow on Jan 9th, 2014 at 5:18pm Aussie wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 5:07pm:
It just shows how weak our media is for not jumping on Abbott as soon as he opened his mouth. They should be hammering him day and night over why he went out of his way to actively encourage people smuggling while in opposition. |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 9th, 2014 at 5:21pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 4:40pm:
BUZZ!!!! Wrong - Rudd caused this when he abolished the Pacific Solution. Have a nice day. :) |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by Aussie on Jan 9th, 2014 at 5:28pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 5:21pm:
Running away, are we? How about you address the point which is ~ If, as Abbott now says, making public statements about their activities only encourages Achmed and his mates, why were Abbott and Morrison mouthing off almost every day about it for years and years, prior to September 7, 2013? About which of those totally opposite positions is he lying about? |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by adelcrow on Jan 9th, 2014 at 5:49pm Aussie wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 5:28pm:
Exactly..this thread isn't about how crap Keven and Julia were this is about Abbott deliberately encouraging people smuggling while he was opposition leader. His own words since becoming PM have proved this to be true. |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by cods on Jan 9th, 2014 at 5:56pm
I would think the less news he gave out to people smugglers...the better..
of course all the crass day by day accounts the Labor govt gave out... only increased the boats didnt it..??the P.S. were laughing at us..they knew exactly what was going to happen next and how it would all end up in the drink or should that be courts.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by adelcrow on Jan 9th, 2014 at 5:59pm cods wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 5:56pm:
So why by his own admission did Tony Abbott actively encourage people smuggling while he was opposition leader? |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by Aussie on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:22pm cods wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 5:56pm:
Cods.....who was giving out the daily bulletins again? |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:25pm cods wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 5:56pm:
As always you miss the point. If as Abbott insists now, drawing attention to this matter only encourages people smugglers, then why was Abbott deliberately and constantly drawing attention to it while he was in opposition. Its clear now Abbott knew that all the attention he was drawing to people smugglers was making the problem much worse for the last govt and all so he could accuse the Rudd govt for not fixing the problem. A betrayal of the Aust people. And most particularly a betrayal of you Cod, whose main reason for voting for Abbott was probably so that he would stop these poor desperate people from finding peace and refuge in this country. You need to answer that since that's the topic of this thread. |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:37pm Remind you of anything http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSV9_J8Csts |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by John Smith on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:44pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:25pm:
she always does!!! ;) |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by philperth2010 on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:45pm adelcrow wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:09pm:
You make a good point Mr Crow.....Tony Abbott made a lot of noise about "illegals" in Opposition and by his own reasoning gave the people smugglers a narrative that "the Australian Government had lost control of its borders".....Now we are being treated like mushrooms!!! >:( >:( >:( Oppression can only survive through silence. Carmen de Monteflores |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:48pm
Well hows about it Armpit/cods,
Yes or no. Don't wait for the translation, yes or no. We are prepared to wait till hell freezes over, yes or no. |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by Peter Freedman on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:01pm
As someone who worked in the media for 25 years, I know this:
News happens when it happens. It doesn't occur on a weekly basis. When it does happen a government has a responsibility to tell the voters what's going on. Waiting for a once a week press conference isn't good enough. It's treating voters with contempt. |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by Aussie on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:05pm Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:01pm:
That is beside the point of this Thread which absolutely nails the utter political hypocrisy of Abbot. I really hope we can all keep it centered exactly there. :) |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by John Smith on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:07pm
the really funny thing is that for over a year before the election, most the monkeys currently praising Abbott for his media ban, were calling Gillard a socialist/ communist.
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Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:47pm John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:07pm:
Yes but John, it looks like Abbott deliberately undermined the efforts of the last govt to deal with the people smuggling issue just so he and the conalition could go into the election claiming that the govt failed to stop the boats and Armpit and cods need to explain how they can possibly condone that behaviour. |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by the wise one on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:34am
There is no argument that Tony Abbott has shown himself to be the consummate hypocrite, more evidently so since taking over the prime ministership. I’ve stumbled across a wonderful example of his hypocrisy, which has the added bonus of producing further evidence of his stupidity.
Do you remember this from earlier last year? Tony Abbott demands Julia Gillard explain WA asylum seeker boat arrival. The Opposition Leader has written to Ms Gillard requesting an official explanation about the incident. He writes, “the Coalition is gravely concerned over the extent to which the capacity of government agencies to undertake security checks on arrivals have been undermined and the massive consequent cost blowouts running at more than $5 billion since the last election.”Moreover, Minister O’Connor has failed to satisfactorily explain why he plans to spend more than $100,000 transferring these mainland boat arrivals by air to Christmas Island for health checks and other procedures that should have been done in facilities where they are already accommodated.” Mr Abbott also accused Julia Gillard of running a $100,000 taxi service for the 66 Sri Lankans – who landed in Geraldton, Western Australia, on Monday – amid plans to fly them to Christmas Island. Now listen to the same bloke today: Australia PM Tony Abbott defends asylum policy ‘closed book’ Officials have in recent days refused to comment on reports that Australian naval forces have turned back at least one boat to Indonesia. Asylum-seeker accounts have also alleged mistreatment by navy personnel. Mr Abbott, who promised a tough line on the asylum issue when he took office, said restricting information flow boosted operational enforcement. “I’d rather be criticised for being a bit of a closed book on this issue and actually stop the boats,” he told local media. “The point is not to provide sport for public discussion. The point is to stop the boats. “I’m pleased to say it is now several weeks since we’ve had a boat, and the less we talk about operational details on the water, the better when it comes to stopping the boats.” All of a sudden ‘keeping quiet’ stops the boats. I’m sorry, but I can’t help myself, I need to swear . . . Oh for f^%k’s sake. http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/ |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by cods on Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:02am Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:01pm:
so you think its wise to ADVISE the people smugglers in advance like labor did??....OK.. some of us dont agree with that of course. btw for a long time any reporting whilst labs were in was on the almost back page...........it never reached the front page... ::) ::) I have NO IDEA why! |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by FriYAY on Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:03am adelcrow wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 5:18pm:
LOL No one was trying to STOP boats then, were they? And he highlighted what happens when the wrong (depending on your stance) policies are implemented. Must mean the ALP and Greens are currently actively encouraging people smuggling by asking for more information. Moron. ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by cods on Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:58am FriYAY wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:03am:
they could be funding them for all we know.. the ALP funded THOMO after all...so they would stoop to anything..wouldnt they???.....just kidding... I think. they are not at all worried about our borders....just as long as Abbott fails.. thats what matters most. |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by John Smith on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:04am cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:02am:
the really funny thing is that you are stupid enough to really believe that . ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by cods on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:33am John Smith wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:04am:
so you think when ever gillard made a move THE BOATS DIDNT INCREASE>.LOL.. OF COURSE> |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by skippy. on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:43am adelcrow wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:09pm:
The conga line of loony fringe are too dumb to understand this even when there is a clear photo to prove it. How can they still make excuses when this photo clearly shows that by the women bashers very own logic he is a traitor to Australian sovereignty. |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by skippy. on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:46am
Come n loony fringe, a sauna with Cory for anyone that can answer why according to his own logic phoney Tony gave the people smugglers a clear advantage by continuously releasing these photos??????????
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Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by FriYAY on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:48am skippy. wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:43am:
Crikey some people are retarded. The figures were common knowledge – you do under stand what this means I hope! They were simply highlighting the number. NOW however, since you are all saying that talking about it means you are “actively encouraging people smuggling” – by inference this means the ALP and Greens and all you morons are also “actively encouraging people smuggling”….. LOL Retards…. ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by skippy. on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:52am FriYAY wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:48am:
No sauna for this troll who is clearly so stupid he defends the basher unconditionally. |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by cods on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:54am skippy. wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:43am:
he was in opposition.....thats ok we expect you to forget that detail...and BTW the govt of the day wasnt making any secrets of their plans anyway.. so whats the difference who is doing the talking????????????? all the people smugglers needed to know was broadcast by the govt of australia... the people smugglers could plan ahead..LOLOLOLOL.. what one does in opposition doesnt mean thats they way they have to think in govt???........we know you still think like a 15 year old.. but not everyone is like that some of us grow up. ::) ::).. |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by cods on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:56am skippy. wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:52am:
well I am sure you will defend a rapist.. if the time comes.. you did defend a serial credit card thief...you did defend the theft of a widows fund....as the bashing never happened...but the missing fund... DID and ARE STILL MISSING>.. ::) ::) :P |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by skippy. on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:59am cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:54am:
Another loony towing the women bashers line that won't get a sauna with Cory. I bet you spent your life in school copying off the person sat next to you. |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by skippy. on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:01am cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:56am:
That's it dear, try and confuse them with gibberish,works for you every time. ::) |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by John Smith on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:10am cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:33am:
according to Abbott it was because of the press releases ... press releases Abbott was putting out himself. :D :D :D |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by FriYAY on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:15am skippy. wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:52am:
LOL The penny has dropped and the best you can do is respond like an angry 12 year old. RAOFPMSL… The ALP and GREENS want to “actively encourage people smuggling”!! Disgusting shameful stuff. ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by FriYAY on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:19am skippy. wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:46am:
Only morons don’t understand that at the time the information was public knowledge. Made public by the ALP. |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by John Smith on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:22am FriYAY wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:19am:
of course ... thats why half the headlines in Murdochs rag were along the lines of Tony Abbott is seeking an urgent briefing from the Prime Minister on how a boat of suspected asylum seekers last week managed to reach the Australian mainland for the first time in five years. make up your mind, either labor released to much info, or not enough. |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by skippy. on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:24am FriYAY wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:19am:
Made public by the women basher that you support, dear. See the photo sweet cheeks? |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by FriYAY on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:33am skippy. wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:24am:
LOL You didn’t need a sign to get the figure…the ALP used to run to the nearest reporter every time a boat arrived. It’s very simple. Unfortunately I know you understand this. But continue the vitriol, it’s hilarious watching you turn into a 12 year old having a hissy fit. ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by adelcrow on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:33am skippy. wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:24am:
Its a bit like Abbott recent comments about the Coward Punch..he was an exponent of the Coward Punch while at Sydney Uni so attacking todays youth for employing the same cowardly tactics as he use to employ is a tad rich. Its the same with encouraging asylum seekers and people smuggling when he was opposition leader. |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by FriYAY on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:37am John Smith wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:22am:
LOL You support the ALP and Greens wanting more information released = you are “actively encouraged people smuggling” The Crow said so…… Oh it’s so bloody hilarious…. ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Abbotts silence Post by FriYAY on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:45am adelcrow wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:33am:
It’s 12 year old hissy fit hour. The ALP and Greens support people smuggling and deaths at sea. Shame ALP and Greens……shame…. |
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