ALP, Greens to end Tas deal


The Tasmanian branch of the Australian Labor Party is set to pull the plug a four-year power-sharing alliance with the Greens, signalling the end of a series of similar arrangements with the progressive party across the nation, The Australian reports.

According to the newspaper, the party is also considering making a public vow to not to repeat the arrangement - even in a future hung parliament - as it looks to rebuild its traditional base.

The news comes almost a year after the collapse of the formal alliance former Prime Minister Julia Gillard secured with the Greens, then led by Bob Brown, following the hung parliament in 2010 over a raft of policy differences, namely asylum seekers and the mining tax.

The Australian reports the move is yet to be endorsed by the state caucus, but there is said to be strong support across the party's rank and file members, trade unions and the Tasmanian leadership group.


http://www.businessspectator.com.au/news/2014/1/9/politics/alp-greens-end-tas-deal


Think it's a good move for both Greens and Labor.


Labor can carbon copy the conservatives while the Greens can continue to champion Leftwing Progressive Ideology.

Greens are now the alternative progressive voice to lib/lab conservatism in Australia.

The Greens seem to be in an alliance with the Libs given their support of increasing federal debt to half a trillion dollars not to mention voting against the ETS when Kevin had a mandate to introduce one
Ive been very disappointed with the Greens since 2007.

Greens support pension security for the elderly, returned solders, disabled ... and other welfare payments to continue to be paid. Labor's reckless abandon of people who once they supported, just to be the new Mr No of the opposition nearly stopped all welfare payments.

I can understand why you of all people support Labor in Mr Abbott's old position of wrecker of the Australian economy by opposing anything and everything from opposition. Labor has a long track record of me tooing Libs in bad areas i.e refugee persecution.

Greens coped with Labor's reckless abandon to common sense and honesty in the previous term and Greened up some of Labor's legislation. Greens will apply the same logic by coping with the coalition's reckless abandon of economic logic and will push their legislation to a more progressive mindset.


As for voting against Labor's dirty ETS, so you support carbon pricing to be locked in at $1 a tonne and billions of tax dollars to fix it. Sorry, Greens are not that gullible to support tricky legislation from Labor.


This term is an opportunity for Greens to show that they can work with either Labor or Liberals to improve their legislation and so in future elections voters of both old parties can put Greens second in their preferences so to keep the Old parties more centre than far right.

labor are the greens. Who gives a toss what they try and do to hide it

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 6:35am:

labor are the greens. Who gives a toss what they try and do to hide it

And you are a fool.

Kat wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 6:38am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:35am: labor are the greens. Who gives a toss what they try and do to hide it And you are a fool.

Progressives always do wish everyone was. Keep dreamin.

____ wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 6:14am:

Greens support pension security for the elderly, returned solders, disabled ... and other welfare payments to continue to be paid. Labor's reckless abandon of people who once they supported, just to be the new Mr No of the opposition nearly stopped all welfare payments. I can understand why you of all people support Labor in Mr Abbott's old position of wrecker of the Australian economy by opposing anything and everything from opposition. Labor has a long track record of me tooing Libs in bad areas i.e refugee persecution. Greens coped with Labor's reckless abandon to common sense and honesty in the previous term and Greened up some of Labor's legislation. Greens will apply the same logic by coping with the coalition's reckless abandon of economic logic and will push their legislation to a more progressive mindset. As for voting against Labor's dirty ETS, so you support carbon pricing to be locked in at $1 a tonne and billions of tax dollars to fix it. Sorry, Greens are not that gullible to support tricky legislation from Labor. This term is an opportunity for Greens to show that they can work with either Labor or Liberals to improve their legislation and so in future elections voters of both old parties can put Greens second in their preferences so to keep the Old parties more centre than far right.

thats the greens problem.
they couldnt budget a primary school tuck shop.
labor would be insane to throw their lot in with these fiscal lunatics ;).
the greens will always attract about 8 % of the vote.
thats about the number of australians who cant do grade 1 maths ;)

aquascoot wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 6:54am:

____ wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:14am: Greens support pension security for the elderly, returned solders, disabled ... and other welfare payments to continue to be paid. Labor's reckless abandon of people who once they supported, just to be the new Mr No of the opposition nearly stopped all welfare payments. I can understand why you of all people support Labor in Mr Abbott's old position of wrecker of the Australian economy by opposing anything and everything from opposition. Labor has a long track record of me tooing Libs in bad areas i.e refugee persecution. Greens coped with Labor's reckless abandon to common sense and honesty in the previous term and Greened up some of Labor's legislation. Greens will apply the same logic by coping with the coalition's reckless abandon of economic logic and will push their legislation to a more progressive mindset. As for voting against Labor's dirty ETS, so you support carbon pricing to be locked in at $1 a tonne and billions of tax dollars to fix it. Sorry, Greens are not that gullible to support tricky legislation from Labor. This term is an opportunity for Greens to show that they can work with either Labor or Liberals to improve their legislation and so in future elections voters of both old parties can put Greens second in their preferences so to keep the Old parties more centre than far right. thats the greens problem. they couldnt budget a primary school tuck shop. labor would be insane to throw their lot in with these fiscal lunatics ;). the greens will always attract about 8 % of the vote. thats about the number of australians who cant do grade 1 maths ;)

the greens.. SIT ON THE FENCE and be responsible for NOTHING>..

a good one..

its the same on here.. I didnt vote for them.. finger pointing..

this way now well IN TASSY at any rate they can say that.. stupid the only way they get noticed is to organise petty protests.. like the gay marriage they bring up when its election time.. ::) ::)

as if no one sees through that little vote catcher..

cods wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:31am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:54am: ____ wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:14am: Greens support pension security for the elderly, returned solders, disabled ... and other welfare payments to continue to be paid. Labor's reckless abandon of people who once they supported, just to be the new Mr No of the opposition nearly stopped all welfare payments. I can understand why you of all people support Labor in Mr Abbott's old position of wrecker of the Australian economy by opposing anything and everything from opposition. Labor has a long track record of me tooing Libs in bad areas i.e refugee persecution. Greens coped with Labor's reckless abandon to common sense and honesty in the previous term and Greened up some of Labor's legislation. Greens will apply the same logic by coping with the coalition's reckless abandon of economic logic and will push their legislation to a more progressive mindset. As for voting against Labor's dirty ETS, so you support carbon pricing to be locked in at $1 a tonne and billions of tax dollars to fix it. Sorry, Greens are not that gullible to support tricky legislation from Labor. This term is an opportunity for Greens to show that they can work with either Labor or Liberals to improve their legislation and so in future elections voters of both old parties can put Greens second in their preferences so to keep the Old parties more centre than far right. thats the greens problem. they couldnt budget a primary school tuck shop. labor would be insane to throw their lot in with these fiscal lunatics ;). the greens will always attract about 8 % of the vote. thats about the number of australians who cant do grade 1 maths ;) the greens.. SIT ON THE FENCE and be responsible for NOTHING>.. a good one.. its the same on here.. I didnt vote for them.. finger pointing.. this way now well IN TASSY at any rate they can say that.. stupid the only way they get noticed is to organise petty protests.. like the gay marriage they bring up when its election time.. ::) ::) as if no one sees through that little vote catcher..

Yep, they're quite happy to sit on the sidelines with no responsibility and tell everyone else how it's supposed to be done. Amateurs.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 6:54am:

____ wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:14am: Greens support pension security for the elderly, returned solders, disabled ... and other welfare payments to continue to be paid. Labor's reckless abandon of people who once they supported, just to be the new Mr No of the opposition nearly stopped all welfare payments. I can understand why you of all people support Labor in Mr Abbott's old position of wrecker of the Australian economy by opposing anything and everything from opposition. Labor has a long track record of me tooing Libs in bad areas i.e refugee persecution. Greens coped with Labor's reckless abandon to common sense and honesty in the previous term and Greened up some of Labor's legislation. Greens will apply the same logic by coping with the coalition's reckless abandon of economic logic and will push their legislation to a more progressive mindset. As for voting against Labor's dirty ETS, so you support carbon pricing to be locked in at $1 a tonne and billions of tax dollars to fix it. Sorry, Greens are not that gullible to support tricky legislation from Labor. This term is an opportunity for Greens to show that they can work with either Labor or Liberals to improve their legislation and so in future elections voters of both old parties can put Greens second in their preferences so to keep the Old parties more centre than far right. thats the greens problem. they couldnt budget a primary school tuck shop. labor would be insane to throw their lot in with these fiscal lunatics ;). the greens will always attract about 8 % of the vote. thats about the number of australians who cant do grade 1 maths ;)

i notice no one took Greens last election policies to task after they were costed.
There again aquascoot, don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.


Perhaps we should hold a magnifying glass up to Labor's economic record in the last term. You game?

cods wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:31am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:54am: ____ wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:14am: Greens support pension security for the elderly, returned solders, disabled ... and other welfare payments to continue to be paid. Labor's reckless abandon of people who once they supported, just to be the new Mr No of the opposition nearly stopped all welfare payments. I can understand why you of all people support Labor in Mr Abbott's old position of wrecker of the Australian economy by opposing anything and everything from opposition. Labor has a long track record of me tooing Libs in bad areas i.e refugee persecution. Greens coped with Labor's reckless abandon to common sense and honesty in the previous term and Greened up some of Labor's legislation. Greens will apply the same logic by coping with the coalition's reckless abandon of economic logic and will push their legislation to a more progressive mindset. As for voting against Labor's dirty ETS, so you support carbon pricing to be locked in at $1 a tonne and billions of tax dollars to fix it. Sorry, Greens are not that gullible to support tricky legislation from Labor. This term is an opportunity for Greens to show that they can work with either Labor or Liberals to improve their legislation and so in future elections voters of both old parties can put Greens second in their preferences so to keep the Old parties more centre than far right. thats the greens problem. they couldnt budget a primary school tuck shop. labor would be insane to throw their lot in with these fiscal lunatics ;). the greens will always attract about 8 % of the vote. thats about the number of australians who cant do grade 1 maths ;) the greens.. SIT ON THE FENCE and be responsible for NOTHING>.. a good one.. its the same on here.. I didnt vote for them.. finger pointing.. this way now well IN TASSY at any rate they can say that.. stupid the only way they get noticed is to organise petty protests.. like the gay marriage they bring up when its election time.. ::) ::) as if no one sees through that little vote catcher..

Greens do not sit on the fence.
Which party is seen as the strongest on environment, most compassionate towards those in difficulty and most vocal in support for the backbone of the economy, the low income workers … it's the Greens.

Just because Greens are savvy on how to push their progressive leftwing agenda, unlike you, I see this as a great attribute.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:33am:

cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:31am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:54am: ____ wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:14am: Greens support pension security for the elderly, returned solders, disabled ... and other welfare payments to continue to be paid. Labor's reckless abandon of people who once they supported, just to be the new Mr No of the opposition nearly stopped all welfare payments. I can understand why you of all people support Labor in Mr Abbott's old position of wrecker of the Australian economy by opposing anything and everything from opposition. Labor has a long track record of me tooing Libs in bad areas i.e refugee persecution. Greens coped with Labor's reckless abandon to common sense and honesty in the previous term and Greened up some of Labor's legislation. Greens will apply the same logic by coping with the coalition's reckless abandon of economic logic and will push their legislation to a more progressive mindset. As for voting against Labor's dirty ETS, so you support carbon pricing to be locked in at $1 a tonne and billions of tax dollars to fix it. Sorry, Greens are not that gullible to support tricky legislation from Labor. This term is an opportunity for Greens to show that they can work with either Labor or Liberals to improve their legislation and so in future elections voters of both old parties can put Greens second in their preferences so to keep the Old parties more centre than far right. thats the greens problem. they couldnt budget a primary school tuck shop. labor would be insane to throw their lot in with these fiscal lunatics ;). the greens will always attract about 8 % of the vote. thats about the number of australians who cant do grade 1 maths ;) the greens.. SIT ON THE FENCE and be responsible for NOTHING>.. a good one.. its the same on here.. I didnt vote for them.. finger pointing.. this way now well IN TASSY at any rate they can say that.. stupid the only way they get noticed is to organise petty protests.. like the gay marriage they bring up when its election time.. ::) ::) as if no one sees through that little vote catcher.. Yep, they're quite happy to sit on the sidelines with no responsibility and tell everyone else how it's supposed to be done. Amateurs.

Greens are upfront on our agenda. It's not keep the bastards honest, it's replace the bastards. When we do to a point where we run government, then you will see a higher standard of government voters are use to.

____ wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:44am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:33am: cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:31am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:54am: ____ wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:14am: Greens support pension security for the elderly, returned solders, disabled ... and other welfare payments to continue to be paid. Labor's reckless abandon of people who once they supported, just to be the new Mr No of the opposition nearly stopped all welfare payments. I can understand why you of all people support Labor in Mr Abbott's old position of wrecker of the Australian economy by opposing anything and everything from opposition. Labor has a long track record of me tooing Libs in bad areas i.e refugee persecution. Greens coped with Labor's reckless abandon to common sense and honesty in the previous term and Greened up some of Labor's legislation. Greens will apply the same logic by coping with the coalition's reckless abandon of economic logic and will push their legislation to a more progressive mindset. As for voting against Labor's dirty ETS, so you support carbon pricing to be locked in at $1 a tonne and billions of tax dollars to fix it. Sorry, Greens are not that gullible to support tricky legislation from Labor. This term is an opportunity for Greens to show that they can work with either Labor or Liberals to improve their legislation and so in future elections voters of both old parties can put Greens second in their preferences so to keep the Old parties more centre than far right. thats the greens problem. they couldnt budget a primary school tuck shop. labor would be insane to throw their lot in with these fiscal lunatics ;). the greens will always attract about 8 % of the vote. thats about the number of australians who cant do grade 1 maths ;) the greens.. SIT ON THE FENCE and be responsible for NOTHING>.. a good one.. its the same on here.. I didnt vote for them.. finger pointing.. this way now well IN TASSY at any rate they can say that.. stupid the only way they get noticed is to organise petty protests.. like the gay marriage they bring up when its election time.. ::) ::) as if no one sees through that little vote catcher.. Yep, they're quite happy to sit on the sidelines with no responsibility and tell everyone else how it's supposed to be done. Amateurs. Greens are upfront on our agenda. It's not keep the bastards honest, it's replace the bastards. When we do to a point where we run government, then you will see a higher standard of government voters are use to.

We saw what happens when you imbeciles get a whiff of running a government in Tasmania and in Canberra over the past six years. It's an unmitigated disaster. Look what Bob Brown's insistence on a carbon tax in return for his support did to Labor - they suffered their worst ever electoral defeat. You fools may think you know everything about the environment (the reality is far different), but you know nothing about politics or pretty much anything else.

Greens are not progressive but conservative. They do take a few token progressive issues on as a figleaf, SSM at the moment.

They and the Libs voted against the Malaysian Solution, both cared less about deaths at sea.

The Greens will deal with the simian on PPL, so a huge cost will be levied on most so a few, who would have had PPL from their employers anyway, get paid somewhere between $50–75K for popping out a bub. Worse than the baby bonus! The rest of us will face a significant increase in the cost of living to fund this conservative crap! Retirees, who will make up an increasingly large part of the population will a drop in their income thanks to the 1.5% drop in franking dividends.

As to Greens being environmental warriors bwahahahahahaha

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:53am:

Greens are not progressive but conservative. They do take a few token progressive issues on as a figleaf, SSM at the moment. They and the Libs voted against the Malaysian Solution, both cared less about deaths at sea. The Greens will deal with the simian on PPL, so a huge cost will be levied on most so a few, who would have had PPL from their employers anyway, get paid somewhere between $50–75K for popping out a bub. Worse than the baby bonus! The rest of us will face a significant increase in the cost of living to fund this conservative crap! Retirees, who will make up an increasingly large part of the population will a drop in their income thanks to the 1.5% drop in franking dividends. As to Greens being environmental warriors bwahahahahahaha

Hold on a moment. The Coalition voted against the Malaysian Non-Solution because it would expose illegal immigrants to brutal living conditions in Malaysian detention centres where detainees can only dream of watching TV or having access to first-rate medical care or their children going to classes or catching up on the latest news in the internet. Most spend their days crammed into overcrowded rooms with poor sanitation and fear of being hit with the rattan cane by officials. You idiots complain about living conditions on Nauru. Nauru and Christmas Island are the Marriott compared to Malaysia's detention centres!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:53am:

____ wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:44am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:33am: cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:31am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:54am: ____ wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:14am: Greens support pension security for the elderly, returned solders, disabled ... and other welfare payments to continue to be paid. Labor's reckless abandon of people who once they supported, just to be the new Mr No of the opposition nearly stopped all welfare payments. I can understand why you of all people support Labor in Mr Abbott's old position of wrecker of the Australian economy by opposing anything and everything from opposition. Labor has a long track record of me tooing Libs in bad areas i.e refugee persecution. Greens coped with Labor's reckless abandon to common sense and honesty in the previous term and Greened up some of Labor's legislation. Greens will apply the same logic by coping with the coalition's reckless abandon of economic logic and will push their legislation to a more progressive mindset. As for voting against Labor's dirty ETS, so you support carbon pricing to be locked in at $1 a tonne and billions of tax dollars to fix it. Sorry, Greens are not that gullible to support tricky legislation from Labor. This term is an opportunity for Greens to show that they can work with either Labor or Liberals to improve their legislation and so in future elections voters of both old parties can put Greens second in their preferences so to keep the Old parties more centre than far right. thats the greens problem. they couldnt budget a primary school tuck shop. labor would be insane to throw their lot in with these fiscal lunatics ;). the greens will always attract about 8 % of the vote. thats about the number of australians who cant do grade 1 maths ;) the greens.. SIT ON THE FENCE and be responsible for NOTHING>.. a good one.. its the same on here.. I didnt vote for them.. finger pointing.. this way now well IN TASSY at any rate they can say that.. stupid the only way they get noticed is to organise petty protests.. like the gay marriage they bring up when its election time.. ::) ::) as if no one sees through that little vote catcher.. Yep, they're quite happy to sit on the sidelines with no responsibility and tell everyone else how it's supposed to be done. Amateurs. Greens are upfront on our agenda. It's not keep the bastards honest, it's replace the bastards. When we do to a point where we run government, then you will see a higher standard of government voters are use to. We saw what happens when you imbeciles get a whiff of running a government in Tasmania and in Canberra over the past six years. It's an unmitigated disaster. Look what Bob Brown's insistence on a carbon tax in return for his support did to Labor - they suffered their worst ever electoral defeat. You fools may think you know everything about the environment (the reality is far different), but you know nothing about politics or pretty much anything else.

And this is why the distancing between Greens and Labor is a good thing for Greens. Labor is and was never interested in protecting the Australian economy by protecting the environment.

Now without the weight of carrying Labor, Greens can get back to helping voters to understand, Labor and Liberal's path is to wreck the economy via wrecking the environment.

Australians and the Australian economy are not outside of the environment, they are within and reliant on the environment.

As for your worst ever election vote opinion, how can the second best result ever for the Greens be argued logically as the worst. It can't and shows your opinions are not based in reality.

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:53am:

Greens are not progressive but conservative. They do take a few token progressive issues on as a figleaf, SSM at the moment. They and the Libs voted against the Malaysian Solution, both cared less about deaths at sea. The Greens will deal with the simian on PPL, so a huge cost will be levied on most so a few, who would have had PPL from their employers anyway, get paid somewhere between $50–75K for popping out a bub. Worse than the baby bonus! The rest of us will face a significant increase in the cost of living to fund this conservative crap! Retirees, who will make up an increasingly large part of the population will a drop in their income thanks to the 1.5% drop in franking dividends. As to Greens being environmental warriors bwahahahahahaha

Greens voted against the malaysian deal on progressive grounds, i.e Australia's agreement with the world to protect refugee and treat them with dignity.

As for the paid paternity leave, Greens support children and the early formation of strong and healthy families since this has longterm benefits for the economy and society.

Greens support PPL for those financially challenged and not the wealthy like the conservatives want to make reliant on handouts. Libs support a nanny state, Greens support a socialistic state that protects the weaker.

You have to feel sorry for any party who has Greens-win as an advocate and an example of a supporter.   ;D

Datalife wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

You have to feel sorry for any party who has Greens-win as an advocate and an example of a supporter.   ;D

When no fault can be found with the thread topic, attack the messenger.

I acknowledge your hoisting of a white flag.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:59am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:53am: Greens are not progressive but conservative. They do take a few token progressive issues on as a figleaf, SSM at the moment. They and the Libs voted against the Malaysian Solution, both cared less about deaths at sea. The Greens will deal with the simian on PPL, so a huge cost will be levied on most so a few, who would have had PPL from their employers anyway, get paid somewhere between $50–75K for popping out a bub. Worse than the baby bonus! The rest of us will face a significant increase in the cost of living to fund this conservative crap! Retirees, who will make up an increasingly large part of the population will a drop in their income thanks to the 1.5% drop in franking dividends. As to Greens being environmental warriors bwahahahahahaha Hold on a moment. The Coalition voted against the Malaysian Non-Solution because it would expose illegal immigrants to brutal living conditions in Malaysian detention centres where detainees can only dream of watching TV or having access to first-rate medical care or their children going to classes or catching up on the latest news in the internet. Most spend their days crammed into overcrowded rooms with poor sanitation and fear of being hit with the rattan cane by officials. You idiots complain about living conditions on Nauru. Nauru and Christmas Island are the Marriott compared to Malaysia's detention centres!

Oh garbage! The Libs wanted BOATS! as an election issue. None of your points are valid.