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Message started by Greens_Win on Jan 15th, 2014 at 5:49am

Title: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Greens_Win on Jan 15th, 2014 at 5:49am
The Lord's Prayer in Federal Parliament is an anachronism, according to Greens senator Richard di Natale, who is calling to have the prayer scrapped.

The acting Greens leader announced on Tuesday that when Parliament returns in February, he will move to end the reading of prayers at the start of each sitting day.

He will ask the Senate's Procedure Committee to amend the standing orders and look to his Greens colleague Adam Bandt to do the same in the Lower House.


"We have a very clear separation between church and state in this country and the fact that we say the Lord's Prayer in the Australian Parliament, it is an anachronism," he told reporters in Canberra.

Senator di Natale said that "modern" Australia was made up of people who had different ideas about religion.

"We are here to represent everybody. We're here to represent people of all faiths. People who don't have a strong religious faith," he said.


http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/time-to-scrap-lords-prayer-in-parliament-greens-20140114-30src.html

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:06am
Good idea . . .

SOB

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by pansi1951 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:13am

I don't know why they bother, he's obviously not answering their prayers....."deliver us from evil".

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by aquascoot on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:53am
here we go again.
the "compassionate ' greens who do nothing but cry crocodile tears for the poor , sticking the boot into the "christians" who are out running all the soup kitchens, charities, homeless shelters etc etc.

breath taking hypocrisy and so much bad karma for our green brethren ;) ;)

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:55am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:53am:
here we go again.
the "compassionate ' greens who do nothing but cry crocodile tears for the poor , sticking the boot into the "christians" who are out running all the soup kitchens, charities, homeless shelters etc etc.

breath taking hypocrisy and so much bad karma for our green brethren ;) ;)


How exactly is getting rid of a compulsory prayer in a secular institution "sticking the boot in"? And since when does parliament run soup kitchens?

SOB

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Stratos on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:04am
Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as in heaven. just not on Manus or Nauru
Give us today our daily bread, as we make asylum seekers queue for three hours in the sun for theirs
Forgive us our sins
as we forcefully imprison those who are within their right to seek asylum
Save us from the time of trial
and deliver us from public scrutiny.
[For if we weren't such hypocrites, we would actually follow the Bible instead of doing whatever the hell we want instead] Amen.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by red baron on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am
Perhaps  the Greens might like to start Parliament with everyone kicking back and smoking a joint, that's about their level. ;)

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by aquascoot on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:55am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:53am:
here we go again.
the "compassionate ' greens who do nothing but cry crocodile tears for the poor , sticking the boot into the "christians" who are out running all the soup kitchens, charities, homeless shelters etc etc.

breath taking hypocrisy and so much bad karma for our green brethren ;) ;)


How exactly is getting rid of a compulsory prayer in a secular institution "sticking the boot in"? And since when does parliament run soup kitchens?

SOB



You are no friend to the greens. Cats kill 1000's of native animals every year

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am
It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Greens_Win on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:07am
Aquacoot

Removing a religious prayer from a secular workplace is not an attack on christianity.

If it is then why are you not demanding every workplace to pray at the beginning of all workday shifts.


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Greens_Win on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:10am

red baron wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
Perhaps  the Greens might like to start Parliament with everyone kicking back and smoking a joint, that's about their level. ;)


Makes a change from drunk conservatives state mps



The New South Wales Premier has given his Finance Minister, Greg Pearce, a stern warning over allegations he had to be sent home from parliament because he was drunk.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-03/nsw-minister-warned-after-27drunk27-parliament-appearance/4728562


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by miketrees on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:41am
I hate the greens, but i agree on this one

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Phallic Baldwin on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:44am
Wow the greens are really tackling the big issues...

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Greens_Win on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:47am

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:44am:
Wow the greens are really tackling the big issues...



Yes they are … and multitude issues at the same time.

i.e

Gladstone leak needs Senate inquiry: Greens

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/gladstone-leak-needs-senate-inquiry-greens-20140114-30s73.html


Greens call for tougher gun control laws

http://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/2021413/greens-call-for-tougher-gun-control-laws/?cs=87

Greens push for bans on liquor advertising

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/greens-push-for-bans-on-liquor-advertising-20140102-307xs.html


etc etc etc

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Swagman on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:48am
It's traditional.  There are many anachronistic traditions in the parliament.

It's just a throw back to the very beginings of the English parliamentary democracy that we mirror.

Do they want the indigenous folk to also give up their 'dream time'?

Go suck on a sauce bottle Greens.   >:(

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:50am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:55am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:53am:
here we go again.
the "compassionate ' greens who do nothing but cry crocodile tears for the poor , sticking the boot into the "christians" who are out running all the soup kitchens, charities, homeless shelters etc etc.

breath taking hypocrisy and so much bad karma for our green brethren ;) ;)


How exactly is getting rid of a compulsory prayer in a secular institution "sticking the boot in"? And since when does parliament run soup kitchens?

SOB



You are no friend to the greens. Cats kill 1000's of native animals every year


Awwww - cant answer the question?

It doesnt matter who proposed the idea - its a good one. Just agreeing with one thing doesnt make someone a supporter of everything they say/do.

SOB

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by aquascoot on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:53am

____ wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:07am:
Aquacoot

Removing a religious prayer from a secular workplace is not an attack on christianity.

If it is then why are you not demanding every workplace to pray at the beginning of all workday shifts.


What it shows is the greens obsession with NON ISSUES.

suburban couples (yes thats right greens...the families that make up australia)  are concerned about jobs, the economy, law and order, roads, health and education.

the greens are the party of NON ISSUES

the lords prayer
gay marriage
assylum seeker air conditioning
whales
light rail for inner city numpties
The UN
hand wringing about whether john howard was a war criminal.
apologising to aborigines every 30 minutes

the list goes on...... you need to come to the footy, the local RSL and a few barbeques and try to understand what matters to REAL australians

and it AINT the lords prayer ;) ;)

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by cods on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:07am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:53am:

____ wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:07am:
Aquacoot

Removing a religious prayer from a secular workplace is not an attack on christianity.

If it is then why are you not demanding every workplace to pray at the beginning of all workday shifts.


What it shows is the greens obsession with NON ISSUES.

suburban couples (yes thats right greens...the families that make up australia)  are concerned about jobs, the economy, law and order, roads, health and education.

the greens are the party of NON ISSUES

the lords prayer
gay marriage
assylum seeker air conditioning
whales
light rail for inner city numpties
The UN
hand wringing about whether john howard was a war criminal.
apologising to aborigines every 30 minutes

the list goes on...... you need to come to the footy, the local RSL and a few barbeques and try to understand what matters to REAL australians

and it AINT the lords prayer ;) ;)



the list is endless.. but it there to take our eye s off their complete no idea policies...they dont want anyone to take a real good look at those..

lets not forget they THINK they know whats good for EVERYONE.

they believe they ALONE can CURE CLIMATE CHANGE

they think anyone AGAINST ABORTION is a SICKO.

they love PEOPLE SMUGGLERS..

aint afraid of watching PEOPLE DROWN.

want 16 year olds to HAVE THE VOTE.

I am surprised he hasnt called for everyone to pray to MECCA 5 times a day.. we know how the crawl to anyone that can vote dont we????


what amazes me.  is how many greenies are there everyday when Parliament opens.. ::) ::) ::)

personally I dont think it would do any harm to put it back in our schools.. we can see the deterioration in behaviour since the greens came on the scene...encouraging young people to smash and bash their way through life...and chain themselves to coal loaders  get their own way...

a terrific way to teach people a responsible way to get through life.. >:( >:( >:(


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:11am

cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:07am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:53am:

____ wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:07am:
Aquacoot

Removing a religious prayer from a secular workplace is not an attack on christianity.

If it is then why are you not demanding every workplace to pray at the beginning of all workday shifts.


What it shows is the greens obsession with NON ISSUES.

suburban couples (yes thats right greens...the families that make up australia)  are concerned about jobs, the economy, law and order, roads, health and education.

the greens are the party of NON ISSUES

the lords prayer
gay marriage
assylum seeker air conditioning
whales
light rail for inner city numpties
The UN
hand wringing about whether john howard was a war criminal.
apologising to aborigines every 30 minutes

the list goes on...... you need to come to the footy, the local RSL and a few barbeques and try to understand what matters to REAL australians

and it AINT the lords prayer ;) ;)



the list is endless.. but it there to take our eye s off their complete no idea policies...they dont want anyone to take a real good look at those..

lets not forget they THINK they know whats good for EVERYONE.

they believe they ALONE can CURE CLIMATE CHANGE

they think anyone AGAINST ABORTION is a SICKO.

they love PEOPLE SMUGGLERS..

aint afraid of watching PEOPLE DROWN.

want 16 year olds to HAVE THE VOTE.

I am surprised he hasnt called for everyone to pray to MECCA 5 times a day.. we know how the crawl to anyone that can vote dont we????


what amazes me.  is how many greenies are there everyday when Parliament opens.. ::) ::) ::)

personally I dont think it would do any harm to put it back in our schools.. we can see the deterioration in behaviour since the greens came on the scene...encouraging young people to smash and bash their way through life...and chain themselves to coal loaders  get their own way...

a terrific way to teach people a responsible way to get through life.. >:( >:( >:(


No comment on the actual topic then? Just attack "the greens"?

SOB

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Stratos on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:12am
Yeah cods, because if greens stand for one thing, its the mining of fossil fuels. :-?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by cods on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:15am

Swagman wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:48am:
It's traditional.  There are many anachronistic traditions in the parliament.

It's just a throw back to the very beginings of the English parliamentary democracy that we mirror.

Do they want the indigenous folk to also give up their 'dream time'?

Go suck on a sauce bottle Greens.   >:(




PRIORITIES PRIORITIES PRIORITIES ::) ::) ::) ::)

when they make a call for no alcohol  advertising they believe they are the first ones to come up with that idea.. ::) ::)

tougher gun control ;D ;D ;D
'
they have forgotten Howards gun buyback..which got sneered at.by lefties.


AND THEN THERES GAY MARRIAGE....


which seems to outshine them all.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Greens_Win on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:20am
Hey Cods, mixing medication and alcohol again?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:32am
Here's why it should be scrapped.

Quote:
Constitution of Australia - Section 116

The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by the wise one on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:36am

cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:15am:
they have forgotten Howards gun buyback..which got sneered at.by lefties.


Howard gun buy back was not sneered at by the lefties but by the National party members.

So get your facts right cods



Quote:
The prime minister had strong public support in the immediate aftermath of the Port Arthur massacre, especially from those people who regularly voted against the Liberal Party.The gun laws have been a source of friction between the National Party and the Liberal Party, who together formed the coalition federal government from 1996 to 2007.[citation needed] The National Party had strong support from rural voters, some of whom were opposed to the federal government's moves towards gun control. The 1996 National Firearms Agreement has been blamed for the defeat of the National Party in the 1998 Queensland elections and generating much of the support for the 1997 rise of the One Nation Party.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:49am
I think it's clear to all and sundry that a The Greens and their supporters to a man dislike the Christian Church.
They go out of their way to criticise it and undermine any tradition related to the Church.

I find it all a little nasty they seem to hate the whole institution of the Church.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:53am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:49am:
I think it's clear to all and sundry that a The Greens and their supporters to a man dislike the Christian Church.
They go out of their way to criticise it and undermine any tradition related to the Church.

I find it all a little nasty they seem to hate the whole institution of the Church.



Hi Andrei,
you need to watch this video to understand why:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:55am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:49am:
I think it's clear to all and sundry that a The Greens and their supporters to a man dislike the Christian Church.
They go out of their way to criticise it and undermine any tradition related to the Church.

I find it all a little nasty they seem to hate the whole institution of the Church.

So, attacking the Greens with unfounded accusations instead of addressing the merits of the argument? Shooting the messenger is not a refutation.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by mozzaok on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:01am
I absolutely agree with the Greens Senator on this issue, the principle of the separation between church and state, is fundamental to the democratic process.

Personally speaking, I find the use of any religious pageantry in parliament, highly offensive.
The absolute belief, of some theists, that they have the right to perform public religious ceremonies in parliament, is breathtakingly arrogant.
It is time for all religious nonsense to be held totally separate from all matters of state.                                                                                                                                             

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:08am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:53am:
What it shows is the greens obsession with NON ISSUES


if it was an non issue, why would you object so much?????

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:10am
good idea, get rid of it ....

next thing you'll know we'll have an islamic MP who will cry out for equality and want to recite the Koran before parliament starts as well ... byt the time everyone gets through their prayers, the MP's are clocking up overtime.  :D :D

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am
The Greens are a bunch of inner-city trendy Fu ckwits and as far as I am concerned they can all go jump off a cliff. They think that they are actually more important than they are and this will never happen. The Greens are against anything Christian and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by FriYAY on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:14am
Get rid of it, keep it, don't care.


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:14am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:53am:
here we go again.
the "compassionate ' greens who do nothing but cry crocodile tears for the poor , sticking the boot into the "christians" who are out running all the soup kitchens, charities, homeless shelters etc etc.

breath taking hypocrisy and so much bad karma for our green brethren ;) ;)


Amen to that.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Stratos on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:17am

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
The Greens are a bunch of inner-city trendy dam you ckwits and as far as I am concerned they can all go jump off a cliff. They think that they are actually more important than they are and this will never happen. The Greens are against anything Christian and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.


That was a real nice pretence of faith you had going for awhile there Matty. No true Christian would ever wish anyone or anything to rot in hell. Or kill themselves or use foul language for that matter

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by woody2013 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:18am

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:14am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:53am:
here we go again.
the "compassionate ' greens who do nothing but cry crocodile tears for the poor , sticking the boot into the "christians" who are out running all the soup kitchens, charities, homeless shelters etc etc.

breath taking hypocrisy and so much bad karma for our green brethren ;) ;)


Amen to that.

>:( >:( >:(  WHY DO JOHHNY COME LATELY'S  ALWAY'S WANT TO bugger WITH THINGS

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.


'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'

'judge thee not lest thee be judged'

sound familiar Matty ... or are you only a good Christian when it suits you???
Hypocrite

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by mozzaok on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:10am:
good idea, get rid of it ....

next thing you'll know we'll have an islamic MP who will cry out for equality and want to recite the Koran before parliament starts as well ... byt the time everyone gets through their prayers, the MP's are clocking up overtime.  :D :D


lol.

I have to wonder if those who would want to retain the current status quo, would be supportive of adding more prayers, from other faiths, or not???

My guess is, NOT!!!

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22am
Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name;
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespassers,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and let us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
Amen.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:23am

mozzaok wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:10am:
good idea, get rid of it ....

next thing you'll know we'll have an islamic MP who will cry out for equality and want to recite the Koran before parliament starts as well ... byt the time everyone gets through their prayers, the MP's are clocking up overtime.  :D :D


lol.

I have to wonder if those who would want to retain the current status quo, would be supportive of adding more prayers, from other faiths, or not???

My guess is, NOT!!!


it's only fair ... then we can do the Jewish prayer, the buddhist prayer, the jehovas, the star treck prayer (I read somewhere it was recognised as a religion) etc etc .... take a month just to get through them all

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:24am

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name;
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespassers,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and let us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
Amen.



have you ever taken the time to figure out what it's actually saying Matty?  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Stratos on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:26am

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name;
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespassers,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and let us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
Amen.


Apparently according to you his will involves swearing encouraging suicide and eternal damnation.  Can't even go two posts without contradicting himself Mr speaker!

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:27am

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:17am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
The Greens are a bunch of inner-city trendy dam you ckwits and as far as I am concerned they can all go jump off a cliff. They think that they are actually more important than they are and this will never happen. The Greens are against anything Christian and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.


That was a real nice pretence of faith you had going for awhile there Matty. No true Christian would ever wish anyone or anything to rot in hell. Or kill themselves or use foul language for that matter


Admittedly it may sound harsh but I am not perfect. Only God is perfect.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Grendel on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:27am
Just goes to show how idiotic Greens are...

The Lord's Prayer is a fairly generic prayer, it does not identify any particular deity and even Muslims who venerate Jesus as a holy man and not the Son of God, would accept it. (After all it is an Abrahamic religion and they share the "same" God) I can't think of any religion that would particularly have a problem with it.

So what is this moron Green on about?
We are nominally a Christian country and governed by laws which for a large part take their basis from that religion and moral code.
Perhaps The Greens just hate religions?
Perhaps their members and representative are just thick.
As was taught to me...
    Our Father who art in heaven,
    hallowed be thy name.
    Thy kingdom come.
    Thy will be done
    on earth as it is in heaven.
    Give us this day our daily bread,
    and forgive us our trespasses,
    as we forgive those who trespass against us,
    and lead us not into temptation,
    but deliver us from evil.

    For thine is the kingdom,
    and the power, and the glory,
    for ever and ever.
    Amen.


nothing offensive in that... ::)

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.


'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'

'judge thee not lest thee be judged'

sound familiar Matty ... or are you only a good Christian when it suits you???
Hypocrite


I am not perfect and don't claim to be.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:23am:

mozzaok wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:10am:
good idea, get rid of it ....

next thing you'll know we'll have an islamic MP who will cry out for equality and want to recite the Koran before parliament starts as well ... byt the time everyone gets through their prayers, the MP's are clocking up overtime.  :D :D


lol.

I have to wonder if those who would want to retain the current status quo, would be supportive of adding more prayers, from other faiths, or not???

My guess is, NOT!!!


it's only fair ... then we can do the Jewish prayer, the buddhist prayer, the jehovas, the star treck prayer (I read somewhere it was recognised as a religion) etc etc .... take a month just to get through them all


Thats star wars. Star trek is something completely different.

SOB

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:18am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:14am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:53am:
here we go again.
the "compassionate ' greens who do nothing but cry crocodile tears for the poor , sticking the boot into the "christians" who are out running all the soup kitchens, charities, homeless shelters etc etc.

breath taking hypocrisy and so much bad karma for our green brethren ;) ;)


Amen to that.

>:( >:( >:(  WHY DO JOHHNY COME LATELY'S  ALWAY'S WANT TO bugger WITH THINGS


Sorry?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by woody2013 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:31am

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:18am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:14am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:53am:
here we go again.
the "compassionate ' greens who do nothing but cry crocodile tears for the poor , sticking the boot into the "christians" who are out running all the soup kitchens, charities, homeless shelters etc etc.

breath taking hypocrisy and so much bad karma for our green brethren ;) ;)


Amen to that.

>:( >:( >:(  WHY DO JOHHNY COME LATELY'S  ALWAY'S WANT TO bugger WITH THINGS


Sorry?

   



Daily Proceedings



Each of the three events in the Daily Proceedings—Prayers, Statements by Members and Oral Questions—is covered separately in the Standing Orders.

*   Prayers

Prior to the doors of the Chamber being opened to the public at the beginning of each sitting of the House, the Speaker takes the Chair and proceeds to read the prayer, after it has been determined that a quorum of 20 Members including the Chair Occupant is present, and before any business is considered.[4] While the prayer is being read, the Speaker, the Members and the Table Officers all stand. The prayer is by custom read partly in French and partly in English. When the prayer is finished, the House pauses for a moment of silence for private thought and reflection. At the end of the moment of silence, the Speaker orders the doors opened. At this point, television coverage of the proceedings commences and the public may enter the galleries.[5]

Historical Perspective

Although the practice of reading a prayer at the start of each sitting was not codified in the Standing Orders until 1927,[6] it has been part of the daily proceedings of the House since 1877. At that time, the House charged a committee to consider the desirability of using a form of prayer in the Chamber.[7] In its report, the committee recommended that the proceedings of the House should be opened each day with the reading of a prayer, and included therein a suggested form of prayer.[8] In a discussion that immediately followed the concurrence in the committee report, it was determined that the prayer would be read prior to the doors of the House being opened, as was the practice of the Senate of Canada and the British House of Commons.[9]

Much later, suggestions were made to rewrite or reword the prayer in a non‑sectarian form and to have the prayer read by a chaplain instead of the Speaker.[10] Recommendations have also been made to change the way the House takes up the prayer. Over the years, many Members have expressed the view that the public should be admitted before the prayer is read.[11] In 1976, the House adopted a motion recommending that the Standing Orders be changed in order to allow the public to enter the galleries before the prayer was read. However, the motion was worded as a recommendation, not as an Order, and provided no instruction for implementing the change. For that reason, the Speaker indicated that the practice of reciting the prayer prior to the admission of the public would continue until the Standing Committee on Procedure and Organization considered the matter and reported to the House; however, no further action was taken on this matter.[12] There have been, nonetheless, rare instances when the public has heard the prayer.[13]

Until 1994, no major change to the form of the prayer[14] was made aside from references to royalty.[15] At that time, the House concurred in a report recommending a new form of prayer more reflective of the different religions embraced by Canadians.[16] This prayer was read for the first time when the House met to open its proceedings on February 21, 1994:[17]

Almighty God, we give thanks for the great blessings which have been bestowed on Canada and its citizens, including the gifts of freedom, opportunity and peace that we enjoy. We pray for our Sovereign, Queen Elizabeth, and the Governor General. Guide us in our deliberations as Members of Parliament, and strengthen us in our awareness of our duties and responsibilities as Members. Grant us wisdom, knowledge, and understanding to preserve the blessings of this country for the benefit of all and to make good laws and wise decisions. Amen.

There has been no explicit pronouncement on when French and English are to be used in reading the prayer. When the reading of the prayer was first sanctioned in 1877, it was agreed that the prayer would be read in the language most familiar to the Speaker.[18] Two years later, Speaker Blanchet, the Commons’ first bilingual Speaker, inaugurated the practice of reading the prayer in French and English on alternate days.[19] From then until the 1970s, many Speakers, depending on


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Swagman on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:31am
It's not going to happen with just the one lonely solitary Green in the House though is it?  ;D


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:31am

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:24am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name;
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespassers,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and let us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
Amen.



have you ever taken the time to figure out what it's actually saying Matty?  ;D ;D


Of course I know what it is saying, and I have already said that I am not perfect.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Stratos on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:33am
There's a big difference between not being perfect and contradicting your own belief system three times in a single sentence.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by skippy. on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:33am
LOL the same old loony fringe defending this fairy tale known as Christianity, too funny. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:34am

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:26am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name;
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespassers,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and let us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
Amen.


Apparently according to you his will involves swearing encouraging suicide and eternal damnation.  Can't even go two posts without contradicting himself Mr speaker!


No it won't. Just a little angry overreaction to the inner-city trendy lefty know-all self-righteous hypocrites again wanting to undermine the christian values on which this country was founded.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:35am

____ wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 5:49am:
The Lord's Prayer in Federal Parliament is an anachronism, according to Greens senator Richard di Natale, who is calling to have the prayer scrapped.

The acting Greens leader announced on Tuesday that when Parliament returns in February, he will move to end the reading of prayers at the start of each sitting day.

He will ask the Senate's Procedure Committee to amend the standing orders and look to his Greens colleague Adam Bandt to do the same in the Lower House.


"We have a very clear separation between church and state in this country and the fact that we say the Lord's Prayer in the Australian Parliament, it is an anachronism," he told reporters in Canberra.

Senator di Natale said that "modern" Australia was made up of people who had different ideas about religion.

"We are here to represent everybody. We're here to represent people of all faiths. People who don't have a strong religious faith," he said.


http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/time-to-scrap-lords-prayer-in-parliament-greens-20140114-30src.html



Good idea.

There's absolutely no legitimate reason for any (sane) person to object to this proposal.

It'll happen.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Stratos on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:36am

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:34am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:26am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name;
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespassers,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and let us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
Amen.


Apparently according to you his will involves swearing encouraging suicide and eternal damnation.  Can't even go two posts without contradicting himself Mr speaker!


No it won't. Just a little angry overreaction to the inner-city trendy lefty know-all self-righteous hypocrites again wanting to undermine the christian values on which this country was founded.


Values like encouraging suicide? Can I pass you a shovel Matty?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:36am

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:31am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:18am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:14am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:53am:
here we go again.
the "compassionate ' greens who do nothing but cry crocodile tears for the poor , sticking the boot into the "christians" who are out running all the soup kitchens, charities, homeless shelters etc etc.

breath taking hypocrisy and so much bad karma for our green brethren ;) ;)


Amen to that.

>:( >:( >:(  WHY DO JOHHNY COME LATELY'S  ALWAY'S WANT TO bugger WITH THINGS


Sorry?

   



Daily Proceedings



Each of the three events in the Daily Proceedings—Prayers, Statements by Members and Oral Questions—is covered separately in the Standing Orders.

*   Prayers

Prior to the doors of the Chamber being opened to the public at the beginning of each sitting of the House, the Speaker takes the Chair and proceeds to read the prayer, after it has been determined that a quorum of 20 Members including the Chair Occupant is present, and before any business is considered.[4] While the prayer is being read, the Speaker, the Members and the Table Officers all stand. The prayer is by custom read partly in French and partly in English. When the prayer is finished, the House pauses for a moment of silence for private thought and reflection. At the end of the moment of silence, the Speaker orders the doors opened. At this point, television coverage of the proceedings commences and the public may enter the galleries.[5]

Historical Perspective

Although the practice of reading a prayer at the start of each sitting was not codified in the Standing Orders until 1927,[6] it has been part of the daily proceedings of the House since 1877. At that time, the House charged a committee to consider the desirability of using a form of prayer in the Chamber.[7] In its report, the committee recommended that the proceedings of the House should be opened each day with the reading of a prayer, and included therein a suggested form of prayer.[8] In a discussion that immediately followed the concurrence in the committee report, it was determined that the prayer would be read prior to the doors of the House being opened, as was the practice of the Senate of Canada and the British House of Commons.[9]

Much later, suggestions were made to rewrite or reword the prayer in a non‑sectarian form and to have the prayer read by a chaplain instead of the Speaker.[10] Recommendations have also been made to change the way the House takes up the prayer. Over the years, many Members have expressed the view that the public should be admitted before the prayer is read.[11] In 1976, the House adopted a motion recommending that the Standing Orders be changed in order to allow the public to enter the galleries before the prayer was read. However, the motion was worded as a recommendation, not as an Order, and provided no instruction for implementing the change. For that reason, the Speaker indicated that the practice of reciting the prayer prior to the admission of the public would continue until the Standing Committee on Procedure and Organization considered the matter and reported to the House; however, no further action was taken on this matter.[12] There have been, nonetheless, rare instances when the public has heard the prayer.[13]

Until 1994, no major change to the form of the prayer[14] was made aside from references to royalty.[15] At that time, the House concurred in a report recommending a new form of prayer more reflective of the different religions embraced by Canadians.[16] This prayer was read for the first time when the House met to open its proceedings on February 21, 1994:[17]

Almighty God, we give thanks for the great blessings which have been bestowed on Canada and its citizens, including the gifts of freedom, opportunity and peace that we enjoy. We pray for our Sovereign, Queen Elizabeth, and the Governor General. Guide us in our deliberations as Members of Parliament, and strengthen us in our awareness of our duties and responsibilities as Members. Grant us wisdom, knowledge, and understanding to preserve the blessings of this country for the benefit of all and to make good laws and wise decisions. Amen.

There has been no explicit pronouncement on when French and English are to be used in reading the prayer. When the reading of the prayer was first sanctioned in 1877, it was agreed that the prayer would be read in the language most familiar to the Speaker.[18] Two years later, Speaker Blanchet, the Commons’ first bilingual Speaker, inaugurated the practice of reading the prayer in French and English on alternate days.[19] From then until the 1970s, many Speakers, depending on


Oh okay, thanks.

The Greens don't seem to understand that they are just not popular with the electorate at large, they seem to think that they are more popular than they actually are. They rceived just 8% of the vote.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Stratos on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:38am

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:33am:
LOL the same old loony fringe defending this fairy tale known as Christianity, too funny. ;D ;D ;D ;D


The only loony fringe here are the Greens and their 8% of supporters.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:39am
Get over it, it was an overreaction as stated. God is the only perfect one. God is love. God is love, He is always there for us and always will be.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by skippy. on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:40am

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:38am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:33am:
LOL the same old loony fringe defending this fairy tale known as Christianity, too funny. ;D ;D ;D ;D


The only loony fringe here are the Greens and their 8% of supporters.

See what I mean? They  never let me down. ;D ;D :D

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:41am

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.


'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'

'judge thee not lest thee be judged'

sound familiar Matty ... or are you only a good Christian when it suits you???
Hypocrite


I am not perfect and don't claim to be.


and you think that excuses your rank hypocrisy? Go to church on Sunday, say a prayer and you are excused for being a d1ck Mon to Sat?? only to do it all over again week after week?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:42am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:49am:
I think it's clear to all and sundry that a The Greens and their supporters to a man dislike the Christian Church.
They go out of their way to criticise it and undermine any tradition related to the Church.

I find it all a little nasty they seem to hate the whole institution of the Church.



Hi Andrei,
you need to watch this video to understand why:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:46am

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:40am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:38am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:33am:
LOL the same old loony fringe defending this fairy tale known as Christianity, too funny. ;D ;D ;D ;D


The only loony fringe here are the Greens and their 8% of supporters.

See what I mean? They  never let me down. ;D ;D :D


The loony fringe refers to extremists, on both the left and right wing. You are far left, I am not far left or far right therefore you are on the loony fringe, not me.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:41am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.


'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'

'judge thee not lest thee be judged'

sound familiar Matty ... or are you only a good Christian when it suits you???
Hypocrite


I am not perfect and don't claim to be.


and you think that excuses your rank hypocrisy? Go to church on Sunday, say a prayer and you are excused for being a d1ck Mon to Sat?? only to do it all over again week after week?


No, that is not true.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by woody2013 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?


I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:49am

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
The Greens are a bunch of inner-city trendy dam you ckwits and as far as I am concerned they can all go jump off a cliff. They think that they are actually more important than they are and this will never happen. The Greens are against anything Christian and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.



There's that christian attitude we all know and love.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?


I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??


Not me ...

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by skippy. on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?


I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??

I have been married fifteen years and it was not in a church. Im not a hypocrite.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by woody2013 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:52am

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?


I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??

I have been married fifteen years and it was not in a church. Im not a hypocrite.


I didn't say you were a hypocrite  ;)

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:53am

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name;
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespassers,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and let us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
Amen.

It's "trespasses".  ::)

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Swagman on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:03am
The Greens can say their own prayer to their cult of eco-socialism

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:03am

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:41am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.


'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'

'judge thee not lest thee be judged'

sound familiar Matty ... or are you only a good Christian when it suits you???
Hypocrite


I am not perfect and don't claim to be.


and you think that excuses your rank hypocrisy? Go to church on Sunday, say a prayer and you are excused for being a d1ck Mon to Sat?? only to do it all over again week after week?


No, that is not true.
'

bullsh1t ... it's the same story all the time, the more religious they claim to be, the bigger the arsehole they tend to be

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:04am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:53am:
here we go again.
the "compassionate ' greens who do nothing but cry crocodile tears for the poor , sticking the boot into the "christians" who are out running all the soup kitchens, charities, homeless shelters etc etc.

breath taking hypocrisy and so much bad karma for our green brethren ;) ;)


red baron wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
Perhaps  the Greens might like to start Parliament with everyone kicking back and smoking a joint, that's about their level. ;)


Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:49am:
I think it's clear to all and sundry that a The Greens and their supporters to a man dislike the Christian Church.
They go out of their way to criticise it and undermine any tradition related to the Church.

I find it all a little nasty they seem to hate the whole institution of the Church.


matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
The Greens are a bunch of inner-city trendy dam you ckwits and as far as I am concerned they can all go jump off a cliff. They think that they are actually more important than they are and this will never happen. The Greens are against anything Christian and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.


Your logical fallacy is ad hominem

Quote:
You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.

Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:04am

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:52am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?


I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??

I have been married fifteen years and it was not in a church. Im not a hypocrite.


I didn't say you were a hypocrite  ;)


you implied that those that are for removing the prayer from parliament are hypocrites .... kind of backfired on you didn't it  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:06am

Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:53am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name;
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespassers,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and let us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
Amen.

It's "trespasses".  ::)


I wrote that from head on my I pad, a typo was more or less inevitanle. I am surprised that it was just one.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:08am

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:04am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:52am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?


I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??

I have been married fifteen years and it was not in a church. Im not a hypocrite.


I didn't say you were a hypocrite  ;)


you implied that those that are for removing the prayer from parliament are hypocrites .... kind of backfired on you didn't it  ;D ;D ;D


They are hypocrites though. They bleat on about caring for the poor and do nothing, they think that voting for the Greens is good enough, whilst the rally compassionate people actually get out there and do charity work for the less fortunate.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:10am

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:06am:

Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:53am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name;
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespassers,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and let us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
Amen.

It's "trespasses".  ::)


I wrote that from head on my I pad, a typo was more or less inevitanle. I am surprised that it was just one.


no need to be, that now makes two .....  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:12am

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:08am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:04am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:52am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?


I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??

I have been married fifteen years and it was not in a church. Im not a hypocrite.


I didn't say you were a hypocrite  ;)


you implied that those that are for removing the prayer from parliament are hypocrites .... kind of backfired on you didn't it  ;D ;D ;D


They are hypocrites though. They bleat on about caring for the poor and do nothing, they think that voting for the Greens is good enough, whilst the rally compassionate people actually get out there and do charity work for the less fortunate.

how would you know what they do for the poor? The pope bleats about caring for the poor, yet has over $700B in assets just sitting their growing in value .. you said something about hypocrisy?

You also assume that all charity workers are religious .... WRONG, moron

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by woody2013 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:17am

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:04am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:52am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?


I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??

I have been married fifteen years and it was not in a church. Im not a hypocrite.


I didn't say you were a hypocrite  ;)


you implied that those that are for removing the prayer from parliament are hypocrites .... kind of backfired on you didn't it  ;D ;D ;D


I didn't Imply anything..  Just asked a question    D/F   ;D ;D

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:22am

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:17am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:04am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:52am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?


I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??

I have been married fifteen years and it was not in a church. Im not a hypocrite.


I didn't say you were a hypocrite  ;)


you implied that those that are for removing the prayer from parliament are hypocrites .... kind of backfired on you didn't it  ;D ;D ;D


I didn't Imply anything..  Just asked a question    D/F   ;D ;D


bullsh1t ... just asked a random question for no reason? you were fishing and got bitten .

Man up you girl.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:31am
Meanwhile the lords prayer has no place in a secular parliament . . . .

SOB

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:40am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:31am:
Meanwhile the lords prayer has no place in a secular parliament . . . .

SOB




Correct.

It will go, eventually.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by aquascoot on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:44am

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:12am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:08am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:04am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:52am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?


I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??

I have been married fifteen years and it was not in a church. Im not a hypocrite.


I didn't say you were a hypocrite  ;)


you implied that those that are for removing the prayer from parliament are hypocrites .... kind of backfired on you didn't it  ;D ;D ;D


They are hypocrites though. They bleat on about caring for the poor and do nothing, they think that voting for the Greens is good enough, whilst the rally compassionate people actually get out there and do charity work for the less fortunate.

how would you know what they do for the poor? The pope bleats about caring for the poor, yet has over $700B in assets just sitting their growing in value .. you said something about hypocrisy?

You also assume that all charity workers are religious .... WRONG, moron


Statisticly christians in america are 5 X more likely to do unpaid charity work then non christians.
surprisingly the evangelicals are at the lower level of representation and the catholics are the most likely to do charity work.  good old fashioned catholic guilt, maybe, but you cant fight the fact that christians are more charitable to the poor than secular society ;)

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:47am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:44am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:12am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:08am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:04am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:52am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?


I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??

I have been married fifteen years and it was not in a church. Im not a hypocrite.


I didn't say you were a hypocrite  ;)


you implied that those that are for removing the prayer from parliament are hypocrites .... kind of backfired on you didn't it  ;D ;D ;D


They are hypocrites though. They bleat on about caring for the poor and do nothing, they think that voting for the Greens is good enough, whilst the rally compassionate people actually get out there and do charity work for the less fortunate.

how would you know what they do for the poor? The pope bleats about caring for the poor, yet has over $700B in assets just sitting their growing in value .. you said something about hypocrisy?

You also assume that all charity workers are religious .... WRONG, moron


Statisticly christians in america are 5 X more likely to do unpaid charity work then non christians.
surprisingly the evangelicals are at the lower level of representation and the catholics are the most likely to do charity work.  good old fashioned catholic guilt, maybe, but you cant fight the fact that christians are more charitable to the poor than secular society ;)


I don't give a f#ck about america ... whats the matter, the Australian stats prove you wrong?  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by aquascoot on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:51am
i dont have stats for australia but will try to get some.
i suspect they will be quite embarrassing for secular society

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:53am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:44am:
Statisticly christians in america are 5 X more likely to do unpaid charity work then non christians.



People who call themselves christians.

matty calls himself a christian and he's one of the most un-christian hypocrites on this forum.



Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:53am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:51am:
i dont have stats for australia but will try to get some.
i suspect they will be quite embarrassing for secular society


The US is a lot more religious than Australia ... thats why I doubt their stats apply

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:08pm

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:06am:

Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:53am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name;
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespassers,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and let us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
Amen.

It's "trespasses".  ::)


I wrote that from head on my I pad, a typo was more or less inevitanle. I am surprised that it was just one.

It's a common kind of mistake with the Australian accent. It is one of few accents that pronounce both words the same.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:11pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:12am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:08am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:04am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:52am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?


I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??

I have been married fifteen years and it was not in a church. Im not a hypocrite.


I didn't say you were a hypocrite  ;)


you implied that those that are for removing the prayer from parliament are hypocrites .... kind of backfired on you didn't it  ;D ;D ;D


They are hypocrites though. They bleat on about caring for the poor and do nothing, they think that voting for the Greens is good enough, whilst the rally compassionate people actually get out there and do charity work for the less fortunate.

how would you know what they do for the poor? The pope bleats about caring for the poor, yet has over $700B in assets just sitting their growing in value .. you said something about hypocrisy?

The current Pope has been in the role for less than a year and the Catholic church is not known for moving quickly to address issues. I would give him more time.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:56pm

Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:12am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:08am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:04am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:52am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?


I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??

I have been married fifteen years and it was not in a church. Im not a hypocrite.


I didn't say you were a hypocrite  ;)


you implied that those that are for removing the prayer from parliament are hypocrites .... kind of backfired on you didn't it  ;D ;D ;D


They are hypocrites though. They bleat on about caring for the poor and do nothing, they think that voting for the Greens is good enough, whilst the rally compassionate people actually get out there and do charity work for the less fortunate.

how would you know what they do for the poor? The pope bleats about caring for the poor, yet has over $700B in assets just sitting their growing in value .. you said something about hypocrisy?

The current Pope has been in the role for less than a year and the Catholic church is not known for moving quickly to address issues. I would give him more time.


you could give him 20 lifetimes, nothing will change.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Grendel on Jan 15th, 2014 at 1:01pm

Grendel wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:27am:
Just goes to show how idiotic Greens are...

The Lord's Prayer is a fairly generic prayer, it does not identify any particular deity and even Muslims who venerate Jesus as a holy man and not the Son of God, would accept it. (After all it is an Abrahamic religion and they share the "same" God) I can't think of any religion that would particularly have a problem with it.

So what is this moron Green on about?
We are nominally a Christian country and governed by laws which for a large part take their basis from that religion and moral code.
Perhaps The Greens just hate religions?
Perhaps their members and representative are just thick.
As was taught to me...
    Our Father who art in heaven,
    hallowed be thy name.
    Thy kingdom come.
    Thy will be done
    on earth as it is in heaven.
    Give us this day our daily bread,
    and forgive us our trespasses,
    as we forgive those who trespass against us,
    and lead us not into temptation,
    but deliver us from evil.

    For thine is the kingdom,
    and the power, and the glory,
    for ever and ever.
    Amen.


nothing offensive in that... ::)

BTW Bam, trespassers and trespasses don't sound the same.  There is a slight difference even in Australian English.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by NBNMyths on Jan 15th, 2014 at 1:55pm

cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:07am:
the list is endless.. but it there to take our eye s off their complete no idea policies...they dont want anyone to take a real good look at those..

lets not forget they THINK they know whats good for EVERYONE.

they believe they ALONE can CURE CLIMATE CHANGE

they think anyone AGAINST ABORTION is a SICKO.

they love PEOPLE SMUGGLERS..

aint afraid of watching PEOPLE DROWN.

want 16 year olds to HAVE THE VOTE.

I am surprised he hasnt called for everyone to pray to MECCA 5 times a day.. we know how the crawl to anyone that can vote dont we????


what amazes me.  is how many greenies are there everyday when Parliament opens.. ::) ::) ::)

personally I dont think it would do any harm to put it back in our schools.. we can see the deterioration in behaviour since the greens came on the scene...encouraging young people to smash and bash their way through life...and chain themselves to coal loaders get their own way...

a terrific way to teach people a responsible way to get through life.. >:( >:( >:(


While not a huge fan of the greens, presenting a post comprised almost entirely of strawman points is hardly an effective argument...


Quote:
they believe they ALONE can CURE CLIMATE CHANGE

Actually, I think you'll find they say that it's everyone's responsibility.


Quote:
they think anyone AGAINST ABORTION is a SICKO.

I think you'll find they think it should be a personal choice, and not up to the Government..... I thought you conservatives were opposed to the Govt interfering in your personal affairs?


Quote:
they love PEOPLE SMUGGLERS..

Feeling compassion for refugees is not the same as loving people smugglers, any more than supporting soldiers means you love war.


Quote:
aint afraid of watching PEOPLE DROWN.

Pretty sure you're just making that one up....


Quote:
I am surprised he hasnt called for everyone to pray to MECCA 5 times a day.. we know how the crawl to anyone that can vote dont we????

If "crawling to anyone that can vote" is the objective, then surely it makes more sense to pander to the ~55% of Australians who identify as being Christian, rather than the 2.5% who are muslim?

Could it be that they just expect there to be no connection between religion and state, as it should be? Why, in a country where religion is constantly declining, should one particular religion be represented by a prayer? What level does Christianity have to decline to before the prayer should go?


Quote:
want 16 year olds to HAVE THE VOTE.

This is the sole point you actually got right. Congratulations.
I'm skeptical as to whether it would be a good idea, but their argument that "16year-olds can leave home, work full-time (and so pay tax), so why can't they vote" is a decent one.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by NBNMyths on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:05pm

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:18am:
>:( >:( >:(  WHY DO JOHHNY COME LATELY'S  ALWAY'S WANT TO bugger WITH THINGS


Without it, we'd still be burning non-believers at the stake and chopping off people's hands for stealing a loaf of bread. Divorce would be illegal, as would the education of women.

It's called progress, and its highly likely you were part of the process. The 'things' you're happy with now were probably considered radical 100 years ago.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by NBNMyths on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:12pm

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?


I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??


Marriage predates the Church. It's not an exclusively religious process.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:35pm
But why continue with this religious archaeology when we all know it's bullshit?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE



Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by thelastnail on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:42pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:35pm:
But why continue with this religious archaeology when we all know it's bullshit?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE


because it appeals to peoples sense of greed in wanting to be rewarded after they die with an eternal after life in paradise. It's the ultimate grand prize but unfortunately there are no shortage of scammers willing to offer tickets for a nominal weekly fee down at your local church parish with no money backed guarantee of course ;)

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by woody2013 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:44pm

NBNMyths wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:18am:
>:( >:( >:(  WHY DO JOHHNY COME LATELY'S  ALWAY'S WANT TO bugger WITH THINGS


Without it, we'd still be burning non-believers at the stake and chopping off people's hands for stealing a loaf of bread. Divorce would be illegal, as would the education of women.

It's called progress, and its highly likely you were part of the process. The 'things' you're happy with now were probably considered radical 100 years ago.


WE never burnt people at the stake here

WE never cut of peoples hand here

MY GGG Grand mother went to school in AUSTRALIA

So you know DIDDLY SQUAT  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by life_goes_on on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:44pm
It does seem rather anachronistic that they still say the Lord's Prayer. It's the 21st Century and those who govern us are praying to a sky spook for protection and guidance.

At least they could be a bit more imaginative and productive about it and pray for an end to the boat arrivals, lower unemployment, nice temperate weather, free petrol, a bit of enemy smiting etc

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:46pm
Nail,

Quote:
because it appeals to peoples sense of greed in wanting to be rewarded after they die with an eternal after life in paradise. It's the ultimate grand prize but unfortunately there are no shortage of scammers willing to offer tickets for a nominal weekly fee down at your local church parish.


True Nail,
You'd think in this day & age that we could leave primitive
bronze age mythology out of politics?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by life_goes_on on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:50pm

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

NBNMyths wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:18am:
>:( >:( >:(  WHY DO JOHHNY COME LATELY'S  ALWAY'S WANT TO bugger WITH THINGS


Without it, we'd still be burning non-believers at the stake and chopping off people's hands for stealing a loaf of bread. Divorce would be illegal, as would the education of women.

It's called progress, and its highly likely you were part of the process. The 'things' you're happy with now were probably considered radical 100 years ago.


WE never burnt people at the stake here

WE never cut of peoples hand here

MY GGG Grand mother went to school in AUSTRALIA

So you know DIDDLY SQUAT  ;D ;D ;D


When my mother went to school, the Australian flag they flew there had a red background, not blue.

When I was at school, God Save The Queen was the national anthem.

Change... it happens....

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 15th, 2014 at 3:33pm
Pinched this from the Sunshine Coast Daily website.  I liked it.


Quote:
Our pasta, who art in a colander, draining be your noodles.
Thy noodle come, Thy sauce be yum, on top some grated Parmesan.
Give us this day, our garlic bread, …and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trample on our lawns.
And lead us not into vegetarianism, but deliver us some pizza, for thine is the meatball, the noodle, and the sauce, forever and ever.
RAmen.


And......yeas.....I'd bugger the Lord's Prayer off and out of Parliament.  It is just mumbled voodoo of no value.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:31pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:12am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:08am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:04am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:52am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?


I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??

I have been married fifteen years and it was not in a church. Im not a hypocrite.


I didn't say you were a hypocrite  ;)


you implied that those that are for removing the prayer from parliament are hypocrites .... kind of backfired on you didn't it  ;D ;D ;D


They are hypocrites though. They bleat on about caring for the poor and do nothing, they think that voting for the Greens is good enough, whilst the rally compassionate people actually get out there and do charity work for the less fortunate.

how would you know what they do for the poor? The pope bleats about caring for the poor, yet has over $700B in assets just sitting their growing in value .. you said something about hypocrisy?

The current Pope has been in the role for less than a year and the Catholic church is not known for moving quickly to address issues. I would give him more time.


you could give him 20 lifetimes, nothing will change.

When he was Archbishop, he sold the Archbishop's extravagant residence and lived in simpler accommodation. He does his own cooking. He has spoken out on poverty issues more than once.

You may be right. Perhaps nothing will change. We should wait and see whether there is change.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:19pm
So you don't think the Greens dislike the Church and fundamentally oppose it and it's involvement in society at every turn?
That plays no role in their - yet again - opposition to a Christian message.

The Greens hate the Church. That much is clear.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by miketrees on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:55pm
I agree with the greens on this, I bet part of the motivation is retaliation for the anti gay stance by some so called Christians.
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Dnarever on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:00pm
Don't really care much but I would say keep the prayer it does no harm and the grubs in that place need all the help they can get.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:04pm

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.


'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'

'judge thee not lest thee be judged'

sound familiar Matty ... or are you only a good Christian when it suits you???
Hypocrite


I am not perfect and don't claim to be.


So what exactly are you trying to say.  After all there's a big difference between "I'm not perfect" and "I'm a really rotten kind of person to be calling myself a christian".  So you wanna narrow down your self assessment a bit and remember you did say you didn't care less if the greens and their supporters all killed themselves and went to hell. 

Matty, I really don't think you have to worry about christianity dying. I mean, if someone like you (esp someone so young), with your total contempt for your fellow man can parade themselves as a christian you can be sure that christianity is already dead. All that's left is to bury it. 
   

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:05pm

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.


'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'

'judge thee not lest thee be judged'

sound familiar Matty ... or are you only a good Christian when it suits you???
Hypocrite


I am not perfect and don't claim to be.


So what exactly are you trying to say.  After all there's a big difference between "I'm not perfect" and "I'm a really rotten kind of person to be calling myself a christian".  So you wanna narrow down your self assessment a bit and remember you did say you didn't care less if the greens and their supporters all killed themselves and went to hell. 

Matty, I really don't think you have to worry about christianity dying. I mean, if someone like you (esp someone so young), with your total contempt for your fellow man can parade themselves as a christian you can be sure that christianity is already dead. All that's left is to bury it. 
   

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:09pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:19pm:
So you don't think the Greens dislike the Church and fundamentally oppose it and it's involvement in society at every turn?
That plays no role in their - yet again - opposition to a Christian message.

The Greens hate the Church. That much is clear.


Who cares if they do, Andrei.  The point is why open the day with mumbles about a prayer?  Do you do that in your household every day at breakfast.  Damn sure it does not happen in mine!

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:57pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:58pm

Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:12am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:08am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:04am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:52am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?


I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??

I have been married fifteen years and it was not in a church. Im not a hypocrite.


I didn't say you were a hypocrite  ;)


you implied that those that are for removing the prayer from parliament are hypocrites .... kind of backfired on you didn't it  ;D ;D ;D


They are hypocrites though. They bleat on about caring for the poor and do nothing, they think that voting for the Greens is good enough, whilst the rally compassionate people actually get out there and do charity work for the less fortunate.

how would you know what they do for the poor? The pope bleats about caring for the poor, yet has over $700B in assets just sitting their growing in value .. you said something about hypocrisy?

The current Pope has been in the role for less than a year and the Catholic church is not known for moving quickly to address issues. I would give him more time.


you could give him 20 lifetimes, nothing will change.

When he was Archbishop, he sold the Archbishop's extravagant residence and lived in simpler accommodation. He does his own cooking. He has spoken out on poverty issues more than once.

You may be right. Perhaps nothing will change. We should wait and see whether there is change.


you're kidding right? If he tried to sell the churchs assets on a grand scale, the others in the churchs heirarchy would make sure he met with an accident sooner rather than later  .....

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by skippy. on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:01pm

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:46am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:40am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:38am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:33am:
LOL the same old loony fringe defending this fairy tale known as Christianity, too funny. ;D ;D ;D ;D


The only loony fringe here are the Greens and their 8% of supporters.

See what I mean? They  never let me down. ;D ;D :D


The loony fringe refers to extremists, on both the left and right wing. You are far left, I am not far left or far right therefore you are on the loony fringe, not me.

I'm not far left, more like centre left, it's just that you're so far  loony fringe you think I'm far left wing.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:19pm:
So you don't think the Greens dislike the Church and fundamentally oppose it and it's involvement in society at every turn?
That plays no role in their - yet again - opposition to a Christian message.

The Greens hate the Church. That much is clear.


Who cares if they do, Andrei.  The point is why open the day with mumbles about a prayer?  Do you do that in your household every day at breakfast.  Damn sure it does not happen in mine!


We say a Lord Prayer on special occasions Aussie.
We try to hold Christian values in our house - no matter where we've been living.

I do hold the point though the Greens and their supporters hold an inexplicable hatred of the Church and it's tradition.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:29pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:19pm:
So you don't think the Greens dislike the Church and fundamentally oppose it and it's involvement in society at every turn?
That plays no role in their - yet again - opposition to a Christian message.

The Greens hate the Church. That much is clear.


Who cares if they do, Andrei.  The point is why open the day with mumbles about a prayer?  Do you do that in your household every day at breakfast.  Damn sure it does not happen in mine!


We say a Lord Prayer on special occasions Aussie.
We try to hold Christian values in our house - no matter where we've been living.

I do hold the point though the Greens and their supporters hold an inexplicable hatred of the Church and it's tradition.


I don't care what the Greens say.  This is me saying....."bugger it off.....it is mumbled rubbish."

Why keep it?  It is rubbish.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:36pm
Tradition?
Values?
Nodding our head to our Christian roots as a country?

I say keep it.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:40pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:36pm:
Tradition?
Values?
Nodding our head to our Christian roots as a country?

I say keep it.


I know that.  If it did not happen, just like me, you would not care less.  Waste of time.



Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 16th, 2014 at 4:38am
Why is it there is no actual discussion of the pros and cons of the silly prayer but instead theres heaps of ad-hominem? Do the xtians know they are in the wrong here?

SOB

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Greens_Win on Jan 16th, 2014 at 5:19am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:19pm:
So you don't think the Greens dislike the Church and fundamentally oppose it and it's involvement in society at every turn?
That plays no role in their - yet again - opposition to a Christian message.

The Greens hate the Church. That much is clear.



Thats not clear … unless you would like to supply what facts you have to back up your opinion. Or is your opinion factless?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Herbert on Jan 16th, 2014 at 6:27am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
You are no friend to the greens. Cats kill 1000's of native animals every year


You forgot to add that cats kill 1,000,000's of introduced species each year that take up the nesting space of native birds, and that eat the food that the natives eat.  :P

And if it wasn't for feral cats, Australia would be 6 foot under a seething layer of Cane Toads ...  8-)

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:43am

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:58pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:12am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:08am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:04am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:52am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?


I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??

I have been married fifteen years and it was not in a church. Im not a hypocrite.


I didn't say you were a hypocrite  ;)


you implied that those that are for removing the prayer from parliament are hypocrites .... kind of backfired on you didn't it  ;D ;D ;D


They are hypocrites though. They bleat on about caring for the poor and do nothing, they think that voting for the Greens is good enough, whilst the rally compassionate people actually get out there and do charity work for the less fortunate.

how would you know what they do for the poor? The pope bleats about caring for the poor, yet has over $700B in assets just sitting their growing in value .. you said something about hypocrisy?

The current Pope has been in the role for less than a year and the Catholic church is not known for moving quickly to address issues. I would give him more time.


you could give him 20 lifetimes, nothing will change.

When he was Archbishop, he sold the Archbishop's extravagant residence and lived in simpler accommodation. He does his own cooking. He has spoken out on poverty issues more than once.

You may be right. Perhaps nothing will change. We should wait and see whether there is change.


you're kidding right? If he tried to sell the churchs assets on a grand scale, the others in the churchs heirarchy would make sure he met with an accident sooner rather than later  .....

I never said that he would sell assets generally. It's more likely that he will bring more attention of Catholics onto poverty than has been the case in the past. It is within the teachings of Christianity.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:53am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 6:27am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
You are no friend to the greens. Cats kill 1000's of native animals every year


You forgot to add that cats kill 1,000,000's of introduced species each year that take up the nesting space of native birds, and that eat the food that the natives eat.  :P

Feral cats don't go around selecting their prey on the basis of whether they are introduced or not.


Quote:
And if it wasn't for feral cats, Australia would be 6 foot under a seething layer of Cane Toads ...  8-)

Do you really think that feral cats can eat cane toads without harm and choose them over other prey?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 16th, 2014 at 8:01am

Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:53am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 6:27am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
You are no friend to the greens. Cats kill 1000's of native animals every year


You forgot to add that cats kill 1,000,000's of introduced species each year that take up the nesting space of native birds, and that eat the food that the natives eat.  :P

Feral cats don't go around selecting their prey on the basis of whether they are introduced or not.


Quote:
And if it wasn't for feral cats, Australia would be 6 foot under a seething layer of Cane Toads ...  8-)

Do you really think that feral cats can eat cane toads without harm and choose them over other prey?


Actually they choose the easiest prey and their preferred prey is rats and mice. Just look @ the rat plague in dalby ever since the military went in there and killed the feral kats.

SOB

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by woody2013 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 8:29am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 6:27am:
[quote author=aquascoot link=1389728965/7#7 date=1389733546]

You are no friend to the greens. Cats kill 1000's of native animals every year


You forgot to add that cats kill 1,000,000's of introduced species each year that take up the nesting space of native birds, and that eat the food that the natives eat.  :P

And if it wasn't for feral cats, Australia would be 6 foot under a seething layer of Cane Toads ...  8-)[/quHow to Treat a Cat With Toad Poisoning

By Sheldon Rubin




Comments






©2006 Publications International, Ltd. Step 2


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Toad poisoning affects the heart and nervous system to such a degree that death can occur within 30 minutes if the cat is not treated. Some warning signs that indicate your cat has experienced toad poisoning include excessive drooling, a shaking head, trembling and shaking body, lack of coordination, difficulty breathing, convulsions, and coma. Signs may develop around the mouth or eyes of the cat immediately after contact with the toad (Bufo species).

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Step 2: Flush the cat's mouth thoroughly with water, being careful not
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by woody2013 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 8:31am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 6:27am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
You are no friend to the greens. Cats kill 1000's of native animals every year


You forgot to add that cats kill 1,000,000's of introduced species each year that take up the nesting space of native birds, and that eat the food that the natives eat.  :P

And if it wasn't for feral cats, Australia would be 6 foot under a seething layer of Cane Toads ...  8-)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;DHow to Treat a Cat With Toad Poisoning

By Sheldon Rubin




Comments






©2006 Publications International, Ltd. Step 2


Nature provides all life with some means of protection. With certain toads it is the saliva, which is thought to contain a potent toxin. The poison contained in a toad's saliva is so strong that once it comes in contact with the mouth or eyes of the cat, it causes severe symptoms within minutes.

Toad poisoning affects the heart and nervous system to such a degree that death can occur within 30 minutes if the cat is not treated. Some warning signs that indicate your cat has experienced toad poisoning include excessive drooling, a shaking head, trembling and shaking body, lack of coordination, difficulty breathing, convulsions, and coma. Signs may develop around the mouth or eyes of the cat immediately after contact with the toad (Bufo species).

You should also watch for signs of shock, which include pale or white cat gums as well as rapid heartbeat and breathing. If your cat has toad poisoning, use the following cat care tips:

Step 1: Approach the cat carefully. If your cat is nervous or anxious, restrain the cat if necessary.

Step 2: Flush the cat's mouth thoroughly with water, being careful not

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by NBNMyths on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:42am

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

NBNMyths wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:18am:
>:( >:( >:(  WHY DO JOHHNY COME LATELY'S  ALWAY'S WANT TO bugger WITH THINGS


Without it, we'd still be burning non-believers at the stake and chopping off people's hands for stealing a loaf of bread. Divorce would be illegal, as would the education of women.

It's called progress, and its highly likely you were part of the process. The 'things' you're happy with now were probably considered radical 100 years ago.


WE never burnt people at the stake here

WE never cut of peoples hand here

MY GGG Grand mother went to school in AUSTRALIA

So you know DIDDLY SQUAT  ;D ;D ;D


You want Australian examples?

- Federation?

- Giving women and Aboriginals the vote?

- Paying fair wages to aboriginal workers (thus ending effective slavery)?
e.g.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gurindji_Strike

- Changing from "God save the King/Queen" to "Advance Australia Fair"?

- Changing from the Union jack to the Australian flag?


Do you oppose any of these "progressive" measures today, which were often opposed by the conservatives of the era?

Yep, why "bugger with things". Let's go back to the Australia of 1800.  ::)

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:45am

Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:43am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:58pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:12am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:08am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:04am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:52am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites


i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?


I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??

I have been married fifteen years and it was not in a church. Im not a hypocrite.


I didn't say you were a hypocrite  ;)


you implied that those that are for removing the prayer from parliament are hypocrites .... kind of backfired on you didn't it  ;D ;D ;D


They are hypocrites though. They bleat on about caring for the poor and do nothing, they think that voting for the Greens is good enough, whilst the rally compassionate people actually get out there and do charity work for the less fortunate.

how would you know what they do for the poor? The pope bleats about caring for the poor, yet has over $700B in assets just sitting their growing in value .. you said something about hypocrisy?

The current Pope has been in the role for less than a year and the Catholic church is not known for moving quickly to address issues. I would give him more time.


you could give him 20 lifetimes, nothing will change.

When he was Archbishop, he sold the Archbishop's extravagant residence and lived in simpler accommodation. He does his own cooking. He has spoken out on poverty issues more than once.

You may be right. Perhaps nothing will change. We should wait and see whether there is change.


you're kidding right? If he tried to sell the churchs assets on a grand scale, the others in the churchs heirarchy would make sure he met with an accident sooner rather than later  .....

I never said that he would sell assets generally. It's more likely that he will bring more attention of Catholics onto poverty than has been the case in the past. It is within the teachings of Christianity.


so he's going to try and milk more money out of his parishoners, using the poor as his excuse? My comment was about the church accumulating over $700 Billion in assets, that amount could wipe out poverty world wide. All the church seems to do is accumulate wealth rather than tend to the poor.

Sure, they make a few token gesutres, send some priests out to some areas, but they send them out with nil or very little aid, no access to the church's money, and they then use that attempt to create a 'cause' to get people to donate more money. There are individuals in the church that care, and really do give their all, but the organisation as a whole, is just like every other organisation world wide ... they put Profits First.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:46am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 6:27am:
You forgot to add that cats kill 1,000,000's of introduced species each year


cats kill other cats?????

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:48am

NBNMyths wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:42am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

NBNMyths wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:18am:
>:( >:( >:(  WHY DO JOHHNY COME LATELY'S  ALWAY'S WANT TO bugger WITH THINGS


Without it, we'd still be burning non-believers at the stake and chopping off people's hands for stealing a loaf of bread. Divorce would be illegal, as would the education of women.

It's called progress, and its highly likely you were part of the process. The 'things' you're happy with now were probably considered radical 100 years ago.


WE never burnt people at the stake here

WE never cut of peoples hand here

MY GGG Grand mother went to school in AUSTRALIA

So you know DIDDLY SQUAT  ;D ;D ;D


You want Australian examples?

- Federation?

- Giving women and Aboriginals the vote?

- Paying fair wages to aboriginal workers (thus ending effective slavery)?
e.g.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gurindji_Strike

- Changing from "God save the King/Queen" to "Advance Australia Fair"?

- Changing from the Union jack to the Australian flag?


Do you oppose any of these "progressive" measures today, which were often opposed by the conservatives of the era?

Yep, why "bugger with things". Let's go back to the Australia of 1800.  ::)



Some of those things were hardly steps forward.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by NBNMyths on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:01am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:48am:

NBNMyths wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:42am:
You want Australian examples?

- Federation?

- Giving women and Aboriginals the vote?

- Paying fair wages to aboriginal workers (thus ending effective slavery)?
e.g.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gurindji_Strike

- Changing from "God save the King/Queen" to "Advance Australia Fair"?

- Changing from the Union jack to the Australian flag?


Do you oppose any of these "progressive" measures today, which were often opposed by the conservatives of the era?

Yep, why "bugger with things". Let's go back to the Australia of 1800.  ::)



Some of those things were hardly steps forward.


Seriously? Would you care to elaborate?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:02am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:48am:
Some of those things were hardly steps forward.


which do you disagree with?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:11am
No, I would not care to elaborate for risk of derailing the thread off topic.
But I don't think some of those were a positive step forward in my personal opinion.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Stratos on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:24am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:11am:
No, I would not care to elaborate for risk of derailing the thread off topic.
But I don't think some of those were a positive step forward in my personal opinion.


Yeah, as bad as God save the [insert royal here] is, Advance Australia Fair is the worst anthem in the world.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by mozzaok on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:14am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:19pm:
So you don't think the Greens dislike the Church and fundamentally oppose it and it's involvement in society at every turn?
That plays no role in their - yet again - opposition to a Christian message.

The Greens hate the Church. That much is clear.


Who cares if they do, Andrei.  The point is why open the day with mumbles about a prayer?  Do you do that in your household every day at breakfast.  Damn sure it does not happen in mine!


We say a Lord Prayer on special occasions Aussie.
We try to hold Christian values in our house - no matter where we've been living.

I do hold the point though the Greens and their supporters hold an inexplicable hatred of the Church and it's tradition.



Inexplicable????

Let me explic it for ya then.
As a fellow traveller on the road of detesting organised religion, the reasons people share this view are multitude.
First, foremost, and above all else, they all promote brain dead flippin ridiculous beliefs.
They brainwash little kids. ( I really hate that)
They all expect that whole communities model their behaviours and actions upon their personal beliefs, and the silly rules that come with them.
And those are their best points.
If you want spiritual fulfillment, do yoga, or interact with good old mother nature.
The big bonus is you will have been doing something real.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by GeorgeH on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:17am
Nine pages on a Green brainfart of no relevance to anyone?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Neferti on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:19am

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:17am:
Nine pages on a Green brainfart of no relevance to anyone?


SOME migrants haven't a clue!

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Greens_Win on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:33am

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:17am:
Nine pages on a Green brainfart of no relevance to anyone?



Seperating religion and the state in a secular country does have relevance to thinking people.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:45am

John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:45am:

Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:43am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:58pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:12am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:08am:
They are hypocrites though. They bleat on about caring for the poor and do nothing, they think that voting for the Greens is good enough, whilst the rally compassionate people actually get out there and do charity work for the less fortunate.

how would you know what they do for the poor? The pope bleats about caring for the poor, yet has over $700B in assets just sitting their growing in value .. you said something about hypocrisy?

The current Pope has been in the role for less than a year and the Catholic church is not known for moving quickly to address issues. I would give him more time.


you could give him 20 lifetimes, nothing will change.

When he was Archbishop, he sold the Archbishop's extravagant residence and lived in simpler accommodation. He does his own cooking. He has spoken out on poverty issues more than once.

You may be right. Perhaps nothing will change. We should wait and see whether there is change.


you're kidding right? If he tried to sell the churchs assets on a grand scale, the others in the churchs heirarchy would make sure he met with an accident sooner rather than later  .....

I never said that he would sell assets generally. It's more likely that he will bring more attention of Catholics onto poverty than has been the case in the past. It is within the teachings of Christianity.


so he's going to try and milk more money out of his parishoners, using the poor as his excuse? My comment was about the church accumulating over $700 Billion in assets, that amount could wipe out poverty world wide. All the church seems to do is accumulate wealth rather than tend to the poor.

Sure, they make a few token gesutres, send some priests out to some areas, but they send them out with nil or very little aid, no access to the church's money, and they then use that attempt to create a 'cause' to get people to donate more money. There are individuals in the church that care, and really do give their all, but the organisation as a whole, is just like every other organisation world wide ... they put Profits First.

I believe that Pope Francis may bring some change, if the hierarchy of the Catholic Church will permit it. As I said previously, we should wait and see what happens.

I do not expect the Church to divest itself of these assets any time soon, but I do expect that there will be some improvements to the relief of poverty driven by the Pope. Will they make a material difference? I do not know. But the Pope has made some remarks on poverty that go farther than any Pope I have seen.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Neferti on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am
Do some research Green/George.

The Lords Prayer is recorded as part of
The Constitution, I think.  It would need a Referendum to get rid of it. NOTHING you leftards can say will change The Constitution about RELIGION in Australia.

You are all FREE to practise whatever "god" you care about. Nobody else cares.

In the END you will ALL DIE and disappear off Forums. :o

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:14pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Nobody else cares.In the END you will ALL DIE and disappear off Forums



what good christian values ou have ........  :D :D :D

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Neferti on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:29pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Nobody else cares.In the END you will ALL DIE and disappear off Forums



what good christian values ou have ........  :D :D :D



I am NOT a christian.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by woody2013 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:33pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Nobody else cares.In the END you will ALL DIE and disappear off Forums



what good christian values ou have ........  :D :D :D



I am NOT a christian.

Ain't going to make any difference ..   ASHE'S TO ASHE'S  ;D

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:34pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Nobody else cares.In the END you will ALL DIE and disappear off Forums



what good christian values ou have ........  :D :D :D



I am NOT a christian.


you should join them, you'd fit right in .....

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:35pm

Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:45am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:45am:

Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:43am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:58pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:12am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:08am:
They are hypocrites though. They bleat on about caring for the poor and do nothing, they think that voting for the Greens is good enough, whilst the rally compassionate people actually get out there and do charity work for the less fortunate.

how would you know what they do for the poor? The pope bleats about caring for the poor, yet has over $700B in assets just sitting their growing in value .. you said something about hypocrisy?

The current Pope has been in the role for less than a year and the Catholic church is not known for moving quickly to address issues. I would give him more time.


you could give him 20 lifetimes, nothing will change.

When he was Archbishop, he sold the Archbishop's extravagant residence and lived in simpler accommodation. He does his own cooking. He has spoken out on poverty issues more than once.

You may be right. Perhaps nothing will change. We should wait and see whether there is change.


you're kidding right? If he tried to sell the churchs assets on a grand scale, the others in the churchs heirarchy would make sure he met with an accident sooner rather than later  .....

I never said that he would sell assets generally. It's more likely that he will bring more attention of Catholics onto poverty than has been the case in the past. It is within the teachings of Christianity.


so he's going to try and milk more money out of his parishoners, using the poor as his excuse? My comment was about the church accumulating over $700 Billion in assets, that amount could wipe out poverty world wide. All the church seems to do is accumulate wealth rather than tend to the poor.

Sure, they make a few token gesutres, send some priests out to some areas, but they send them out with nil or very little aid, no access to the church's money, and they then use that attempt to create a 'cause' to get people to donate more money. There are individuals in the church that care, and really do give their all, but the organisation as a whole, is just like every other organisation world wide ... they put Profits First.

I believe that Pope Francis may bring some change, if the hierarchy of the Catholic Church will permit it. As I said previously, we should wait and see what happens.

I do not expect the Church to divest itself of these assets any time soon, but I do expect that there will be some improvements to the relief of poverty driven by the Pope. Will they make a material difference? I do not know. But the Pope has made some remarks on poverty that go farther than any Pope I have seen.


One can only hope, not that I'm holding my breath ...

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jan 16th, 2014 at 1:21pm
The Greens can get stuffed.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Herbert on Jan 16th, 2014 at 3:23pm

Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:53am:
Feral cats don't go around selecting their prey on the basis of whether they are introduced or not.


No. They go around killing whatever is most prevalent and abundant in the bush ~ which is introduced species.


Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:53am:
Do you really think that feral cats can eat cane toads without harm and choose them over other prey?


If it wasn't for feral cats there would be outbreaks of mice plague in biblical proportions.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Herbert on Jan 16th, 2014 at 3:26pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Nobody else cares.In the END you will ALL DIE and disappear off Forums



what good christian values ou have ........  :D :D :D



I am NOT a christian.


Okay. I'll bite.

What ARE you ~ a High Priestess of Witches coven or wot? 

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 5:19pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Do some research Green/George.

The Lords Prayer is recorded as part of
The Constitution, I think.  It would need a Referendum to get rid of it. NOTHING you leftards can say will change The Constitution about RELIGION in Australia.

You are all FREE to practise whatever "god" you care about. Nobody else cares.

In the END you will ALL DIE and disappear off Forums. :o


It ain't.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by NBNMyths on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:02pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Do some research Green/George.

The Lords Prayer is recorded as part of The Constitution, I think.  It would need a Referendum to get rid of it. NOTHING you leftards can say will change The Constitution about RELIGION in Australia.


Oh the irony. Demanding others "do some research", then posting absolute rubbish.

Religion is mentioned in the constitution all right. It is mentioned once:

Section 116:

The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca430/s116.html


Sounds to me as though the reading of the Lords Prayer (ie: a religious observance) violates the constitution, if there is currently a law or regulation requiring it to occur.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:12pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Do some research Green/George.

The Lords Prayer is recorded as part of
The Constitution, I think.

No. It's not. It is unconstitutional for the Federal Parliament to make any law that imposes any religious observance. Section 116. Look it up. I've also posted it here.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:20pm

NBNMyths wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:02pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Do some research Green/George.

The Lords Prayer is recorded as part of The Constitution, I think.  It would need a Referendum to get rid of it. NOTHING you leftards can say will change The Constitution about RELIGION in Australia.


Oh the irony. Demanding others "do some research", then posting absolute rubbish.

Religion is mentioned in the constitution all right. It is mentioned once:

Section 116:

The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca430/s116.html


Sounds to me as though the reading of the Lords Prayer (ie: a religious observance) violates the constitution, if there is currently a law or regulation requiring it to occur.


It is in the 'standing orders'.................and your point is right on the money.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:22pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Do some research Green/George.

The Lords Prayer is recorded as part of
The Constitution, I think. 



Who on earth told you that?





Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:26pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Do some research Green/George.

The Lords Prayer is recorded as part of
The Constitution, I think. 



Who on earth told you that?


Not 'who, Mr Peccarry....more like 'what'.......the bottom of a wine bottle.

It got worse of course with this  ~ even after she at least mentioned 'think.'


Quote:
It would need a Referendum to get rid of it. NOTHING you leftards can say will change The Constitution about RELIGION in Australia.


Silly person.



Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm
*flip*

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm
*flip2*

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm
*flip...bugger ya!*

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:28pm
The average person is sick of religion -
there are too many examples of religious hypocrites:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeFnFtRx7Ow

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Setanta on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:28pm:
The average person is sick of religion -
there are too many examples of religious hypocrites:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeFnFtRx7Ow


Those kids got off easy!

2 Kings 2:23  ;D
"23 Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number."

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 8:12pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:28pm:
The average person is sick of religion -
there are too many examples of religious hypocrites:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeFnFtRx7Ow


Well.....I'd have belted the shite out of the smart arse, lippy trespassing illegals.  You trespass.....and you are told to go...............you pharking go!

Zero to do with religion.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:02pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 8:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:28pm:
The average person is sick of religion -
there are too many examples of religious hypocrites:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeFnFtRx7Ow


Well.....I'd have belted the shite out of the smart arse, lippy trespassing illegals.  You trespass.....and you are told to go...............you pharking go!

Zero to do with religion.



Hear ye  hear ye -

Aussie supports the foul mouthed priest in this video clip.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:16pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:02pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 8:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:28pm:
The average person is sick of religion -
there are too many examples of religious hypocrites:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeFnFtRx7Ow


Well.....I'd have belted the shite out of the smart arse, lippy trespassing illegals.  You trespass.....and you are told to go...............you pharking go!

Zero to do with religion.



Hear ye  hear ye -

Aussie supports the foul mouthed priest in this video clip.


Yep.....I certainly do, and I reckon any Pope with balls would do and say exactly the same to those trespassing smart arse twerps.  If that were me...............I would have removed heads from shoulders.  Little punks deserve to be treated like little punks.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by The Grappler 2014 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:29pm
Our father - who ain't no Greenie
Hollowed out be thy National Parks
Our mining come,
Oil spill be done
In earth as it is in ocean
Give us this day our daily thread
And lead us not into obfuscation
For thine is the coal mine
The power station and the Storey Bridge
For revenue and revenue,
Amen!

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:33pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:29pm:
Our father - who ain't no Greenie
Hollowed out be thy National Parks
Our mining come,
Oil spill be done
In earth as it is in ocean
Give us this day our daily thread
And lead us not into obfuscation
For thine is the coal mine
The power station and the Storey Bridge
For revenue and revenue,
Amen!


Not bad..............and far better than I could do.  Dunno how the Storey Bridge got involved?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by The Grappler 2014 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:38pm
struggling to find something to suit 'glory'
....oh well...

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:40pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:38pm:
struggling to find something to suit 'glory'
....oh well...


Glory to  Storey - quite good really.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:42pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:38pm:
struggling to find something to suit 'glory'
....oh well...


grubby story?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:47pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:02pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 8:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:28pm:
The average person is sick of religion -
there are too many examples of religious hypocrites:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeFnFtRx7Ow


Well.....I'd have belted the shite out of the smart arse, lippy trespassing illegals.  You trespass.....and you are told to go...............you pharking go!

Zero to do with religion.



Hear ye  hear ye -

Aussie supports the foul mouthed priest in this video clip.


Yep.....I certainly do, and I reckon any Pope with balls would do and say exactly the same to those trespassing smart arse twerps.  If that were me...............I would have removed heads from shoulders.  Little punks deserve to be treated like little punks.


Trespassing?

That's a matter for debate when most of their European land was gained
by burning witches & TAKING their land.


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:48pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:28pm:
The average person is sick of religion -
there are too many examples of religious hypocrites:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeFnFtRx7Ow


The very average person's actually.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:50pm
Yes...they were trespassing from the moment he first requested that they leave. 

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:51pm
*FD this page flip..............*

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:52pm
*....is becomming tiresome*

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:00pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:50pm:
Yes...they were trespassing from the moment he first requested that they leave. 



Requested in a very polite way.  ;D

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by thelastnail on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:20pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:02pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 8:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:28pm:
The average person is sick of religion -
there are too many examples of religious hypocrites:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeFnFtRx7Ow


Well.....I'd have belted the shite out of the smart arse, lippy trespassing illegals.  You trespass.....and you are told to go...............you pharking go!

Zero to do with religion.



Hear ye  hear ye -

Aussie supports the foul mouthed priest in this video clip.


Notice how the apologists always ignore the foul mouthed pedophile priest :(

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Peter Freedman on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:42pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:49am:
I think it's clear to all and sundry that a The Greens and their supporters to a man dislike the Christian Church.
They go out of their way to criticise it and undermine any tradition related to the Church.

I find it all a little nasty they seem to hate the whole institution of the Church.


Which church?

The Dutch Reform Church which dreamed up apartheid?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:15pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:02pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 8:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:28pm:
The average person is sick of religion -
there are too many examples of religious hypocrites:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeFnFtRx7Ow


Well.....I'd have belted the shite out of the smart arse, lippy trespassing illegals.  You trespass.....and you are told to go...............you pharking go!

Zero to do with religion.



Hear ye  hear ye -

Aussie supports the foul mouthed priest in this video clip.


Notice how the apologists always ignore the foul mouthed pedophile priest :(



You can't ignore Torquemada:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSNwGvbbH2c


Some souls have turned so far from God
that pain is the only way to call them back.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:31am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:11am:
No, I would not care to elaborate for risk of derailing the thread off topic.
But I don't think some of those were a positive step forward in my personal opinion.


The topic is the lords prayer in parliament . . .

SOB

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Neferti on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:57am
http://aphnew.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Research_and_Education/pops/~/link.aspx?_id=4184EDA9BC784EB6A5B1AF03D06EF8FC&_z=z

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Dnarever on Jan 17th, 2014 at 6:00am
For penance I would assign them 10,000 hail Mary's and 100,000 our fathers.

Just to prevent them from damaging Australia further for a while.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by NBNMyths on Jan 17th, 2014 at 8:55am

Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:57am:
http://aphnew.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Research_and_Education/pops/~/link.aspx?_id=4184EDA9BC784EB6A5B1AF03D06EF8FC&_z=z


What's your point? Clearly the constitution does not contain the Lords Prayer, as you claimed it did. The text in your link doesn't at all support your position. Perhaps you should have read it before posting.  ;D

The High Court has not ruled on the legality of the prayer being read at the start of parliament.

From your link: "The ‘religious observance’ clause would be the most appropriate basis for a hypothetical claim of unconstitutionality against parliamentary prayers. The difficulty is that the High Court has never interpreted the clause….. Parliamentary prayers may well be constitutional but they should not be. In fact, the Commonwealth, as a democratic polity, should not sponsor any religion. Any such sponsorship offends against the accustomed community rights of a majority of Australians who believe that the Constitution protects the right to freedom of thought and conscience just like it protects other civil and political freedoms."


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bludger on Jan 17th, 2014 at 10:10am
Which god are they praying to here?
The christian one who lets his priests rape children?
The muslim one who lets them send children in front of soldiers to trip any land mines?
The old testament one who think jews are a special race of humans and encourages abraham to slaughter his son?
No god of these people will ever be a god of mine!
Made us in his image did he?
That says it all! >:(

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 17th, 2014 at 11:29am

bludger wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 10:10am:
Which god are they praying to here?
The christian one who lets his priests rape children?
The muslim one who lets them send children in front of soldiers to trip any land mines?
The old testament one who think jews are a special race of humans and encourages abraham to slaughter his son?
No god of these people will ever be a god of mine!
Made us in his image did he?
That says it all! >:(


Bravo

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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Generation X on Jan 17th, 2014 at 12:16pm

____ wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 5:49am:
The Lord's Prayer in Federal Parliament is an anachronism, according to Greens senator Richard di Natale, who is calling to have the prayer scrapped.

The acting Greens leader announced on Tuesday that when Parliament returns in February, he will move to end the reading of prayers at the start of each sitting day.

He will ask the Senate's Procedure Committee to amend the standing orders and look to his Greens colleague Adam Bandt to do the same in the Lower House.


"We have a very clear separation between church and state in this country and the fact that we say the Lord's Prayer in the Australian Parliament, it is an anachronism," he told reporters in Canberra.

Senator di Natale said that "modern" Australia was made up of people who had different ideas about religion.

"We are here to represent everybody. We're here to represent people of all faiths. People who don't have a strong religious faith," he said.


http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/time-to-scrap-lords-prayer-in-parliament-greens-20140114-30src.html


A typical greens motion....................does nothing for the Australian people. Another bogas motion by the green party to justify their political assistance.

Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!haven't we had enough of these dick heads doing sweet FA with our tax dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We need to get rid of this bogas greens party once and for all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:07pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 6:00am:
For penance I would assign them 10,000 hail Mary's and 100,000 our fathers.

Just to prevent them from damaging Australia further for a while.



Some souls have turned so far from God
that pain is the only way to call them back.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:08pm

You can't ignore Torquemada:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSNwGvbbH2c




Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:09pm
.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:09pm
.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:47pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:03am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:41am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.


'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'

'judge thee not lest thee be judged'

sound familiar Matty ... or are you only a good Christian when it suits you???
Hypocrite


I am not perfect and don't claim to be.


and you think that excuses your rank hypocrisy? Go to church on Sunday, say a prayer and you are excused for being a d1ck Mon to Sat?? only to do it all over again week after week?


No, that is not true.
'

bullsh1t ... it's the same story all the time, the more religious they claim to be, the bigger the arsehole they tend to be


That is the exception, not the rule. And in response to your other comments, I know for a fact that a lot of chardonnay socialists who vote Labor and the Greens (especially the latter) do no charity work whatsoever, and claim to be holier than thou. Think Adam Band and Sarah hanson young, for example, both of whom are clearly from middle class backgrounds.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:49pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:40am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:31am:
Meanwhile the lords prayer has no place in a secular parliament . . . .

SOB




Correct.

It will go, eventually.


Says whom?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:55pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:04pm:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.


'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'

'judge thee not lest thee be judged'

sound familiar Matty ... or are you only a good Christian when it suits you???
Hypocrite


I am not perfect and don't claim to be.


So what exactly are you trying to say.  After all there's a big difference between "I'm not perfect" and "I'm a really rotten kind of person to be calling myself a christian".  So you wanna narrow down your self assessment a bit and remember you did say you didn't care less if the greens and their supporters all killed themselves and went to hell. 

Matty, I really don't think you have to worry about christianity dying. I mean, if someone like you (esp someone so young), with your total contempt for your fellow man can parade themselves as a christian you can be sure that christianity is already dead. All that's left is to bury it. 
   


As I said, I overreacted and I didn't even mean it literally anyway.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:00pm

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:01pm:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:46am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:40am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:38am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:33am:
LOL the same old loony fringe defending this fairy tale known as Christianity, too funny. ;D ;D ;D ;D


The only loony fringe here are the Greens and their 8% of supporters.

See what I mean? They  never let me down. ;D ;D :D


The loony fringe refers to extremists, on both the left and right wing. You are far left, I am not far left or far right therefore you are on the loony fringe, not me.

I'm not far left, more like centre left, it's just that you're so far  loony fringe you think I'm far left wing.


You suppory the Greens, though, a far left party. Granted you are not at the very eztreme, but you're beyond centre left.  I am beyond centre right, yes, I admit, but less than far right.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:04pm
We don't want a return to the days of the Inquisition -

let's get rid of all religious nonsense.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:17pm

matty wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:03am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:41am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.


'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'

'judge thee not lest thee be judged'

sound familiar Matty ... or are you only a good Christian when it suits you???
Hypocrite


I am not perfect and don't claim to be.


and you think that excuses your rank hypocrisy? Go to church on Sunday, say a prayer and you are excused for being a d1ck Mon to Sat?? only to do it all over again week after week?


No, that is not true.
'

bullsh1t ... it's the same story all the time, the more religious they claim to be, the bigger the arsehole they tend to be


That is the exception, not the rule. I know thousand of solid christians, that are arsheholes, whereas  the nicest people I know are those that aren't very religious ... that makes it a rule, not the exception

And in response to your other comments, I know for a fact that a lot of chardonnay socialists who vote Labor and the Greens (especially the latter) do no charity work whatsoever you don't even know how to get it up, let alone any facts  , and claim to be holier than thou.

Think Adam Band and Sarah hanson young, for example, both of whom are clearly from middle class backgrounds.I don't think of them, never have .. the only time they cross my mind is when I read about them in your posts, which actually happens a lot ... you seem to be obsessed with them


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:18pm

matty wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:55pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:04pm:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.


'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'

'judge thee not lest thee be judged'

sound familiar Matty ... or are you only a good Christian when it suits you???
Hypocrite


I am not perfect and don't claim to be.


So what exactly are you trying to say.  After all there's a big difference between "I'm not perfect" and "I'm a really rotten kind of person to be calling myself a christian".  So you wanna narrow down your self assessment a bit and remember you did say you didn't care less if the greens and their supporters all killed themselves and went to hell. 

Matty, I really don't think you have to worry about christianity dying. I mean, if someone like you (esp someone so young), with your total contempt for your fellow man can parade themselves as a christian you can be sure that christianity is already dead. All that's left is to bury it. 
   


As I said, I overreacted and I didn't even mean it literally anyway.


typical 'christian' attitude ... 'opps, sorry, i overreacted, i didn't mean it ..... forgive me father' ... only to do it again next week.   :D :D :D

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Neferti on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:23pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm:
*flip*


Aussie almost angry!

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Neferti on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:24pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm:
*flip2*


Getting irritated now!

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Neferti on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:25pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm:
*flip...bugger ya!*


Talk about a short fuse!  What a jerk!

Please NOTE the time of the 3 posts!  ;D

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:30pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm:
*flip...bugger ya!*


Talk about a short fuse!  What a jerk!

Please NOTE the time of the 3 posts!  ;D



haven't you got an appointment for botox shots? those wrinkles won't go away by themselves you know!

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Neferti on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:39pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm:
*flip...bugger ya!*


Talk about a short fuse!  What a jerk!

Please NOTE the time of the 3 posts!  ;D



haven't you got an appointment for botox shots? those wrinkles won't go away by themselves you know!


I would suggest that it is you who needs "enhancement". I quite like my (limited) facial expressions but your small appendage will never grow without assistance, so you are stuck with a small dick. So sad!

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:44pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm:
*flip...bugger ya!*


Talk about a short fuse!  What a jerk!

Please NOTE the time of the 3 posts!  ;D



haven't you got an appointment for botox shots? those wrinkles won't go away by themselves you know!


I would suggest that it is you who needs "enhancement". I quite like my (limited) facial expressions but your small appendage will never grow without assistance, so you are stuck with a small dick. So sad!


;D ;D ;D ;D

hit a nerve did I? 

;D ;D ;D ;D

by the way, the only time I will worry about what you say about my d1ck will be the day your lips are wrapped around it ... until then, knock yourself out  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:44pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm:
*flip...bugger ya!*


Talk about a short fuse!  What a jerk!

Please NOTE the time of the 3 posts!  ;D


Your level of understand about the page flipping issue is matched only by the quality of your insistence that the Lord's Prayer is a Constitutional imperative.



Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:46pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Dnarever on Jan 17th, 2014 at 3:15pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 6:00am:
For penance I would assign them 10,000 hail Mary's and 100,000 our fathers.

Just to prevent them from damaging Australia further for a while.



Some souls have turned so far from God
that pain is the only way to call them back.


I say execute them and let God sort it out.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by matty on Jan 17th, 2014 at 4:45pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:17pm:

matty wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:03am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:41am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.


'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'

'judge thee not lest thee be judged'

sound familiar Matty ... or are you only a good Christian when it suits you???
Hypocrite


I am not perfect and don't claim to be.


and you think that excuses your rank hypocrisy? Go to church on Sunday, say a prayer and you are excused for being a d1ck Mon to Sat?? only to do it all over again week after week?


No, that is not true.
'

bullsh1t ... it's the same story all the time, the more religious they claim to be, the bigger the arsehole they tend to be


That is the exception, not the rule. I know thousand of solid christians, that are arsheholes, whereas  the nicest people I know are those that aren't very religious ... that makes it a rule, not the exception

And in response to your other comments, I know for a fact that a lot of chardonnay socialists who vote Labor and the Greens (especially the latter) do no charity work whatsoever you don't even know how to get it up, let alone any facts  , and claim to be holier than thou.

Think Adam Band and Sarah hanson young, for example, both of whom are clearly from middle class backgrounds.I don't think of them, never have .. the only time they cross my mind is when I read about them in your posts, which actually happens a lot ... you seem to be obsessed with them


1. So in other word, it's all about you and your experiences?
2. No, I am not like that at all.
3. I hardly ever mention them, actually. I am just making the point that people like this (ie middle-class and upper-class lefties) are complete and utter hypocrites.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:27pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 3:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 6:00am:
For penance I would assign them 10,000 hail Mary's and 100,000 our fathers.

Just to prevent them from damaging Australia further for a while.



Some souls have turned so far from God
that pain is the only way to call them back.


I say execute them and let God sort it out.



The Inquisition is back - no longer a secular state.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSNwGvbbH2c

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by adelcrow on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:35pm

matty wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 4:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:17pm:

matty wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:03am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:41am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.


'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'

'judge thee not lest thee be judged'

sound familiar Matty ... or are you only a good Christian when it suits you???
Hypocrite


I am not perfect and don't claim to be.


and you think that excuses your rank hypocrisy? Go to church on Sunday, say a prayer and you are excused for being a d1ck Mon to Sat?? only to do it all over again week after week?


No, that is not true.
'

bullsh1t ... it's the same story all the time, the more religious they claim to be, the bigger the arsehole they tend to be


That is the exception, not the rule. I know thousand of solid christians, that are arsheholes, whereas  the nicest people I know are those that aren't very religious ... that makes it a rule, not the exception

And in response to your other comments, I know for a fact that a lot of chardonnay socialists who vote Labor and the Greens (especially the latter) do no charity work whatsoever you don't even know how to get it up, let alone any facts  , and claim to be holier than thou.

Think Adam Band and Sarah hanson young, for example, both of whom are clearly from middle class backgrounds.I don't think of them, never have .. the only time they cross my mind is when I read about them in your posts, which actually happens a lot ... you seem to be obsessed with them


1. So in other word, it's all about you and your experiences?
2. No, I am not like that at all.
3. I hardly ever mention them, actually. I am just making the point that people like this (ie middle-class and upper-class lefties) are complete and utter hypocrites.


I totally agree...everyone middle class and above should be far right loonies.


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Neferti on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:40pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm:
*flip...bugger ya!*


Talk about a short fuse!  What a jerk!

Please NOTE the time of the 3 posts!  ;D


Your level of understand about the page flipping issue is matched only by the quality of your insistence that the Lord's Prayer is a Constitutional imperative.


Before hitting the post message key, hit the preview key and read and re-read what you have said to make certain you have not left any words out, or made idiotic spelling errors.

You are the person who had to hire a computer guru to show you how to make a SCREENSHOT. Dipstick.  ;D So don't tell me about my computer experience or knowledge. You are definitely the dickhead in that regard.

BTW The Lords Prayer is listed in The Constitution (s 116) as I said.  Any change to The Constitution requires a Referendum. Your argument is pure nitpicking. Typical of a cabbie.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:50pm
Here is Section116 of the Constitution.  I must be blind.

Click here.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 17th, 2014 at 6:19pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
BTW The Lords Prayer is listed in The Constitution (s 116) as I said.

You're lying. Why?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 7:23pm
Why should there be any religious nonsense in parliament?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 17th, 2014 at 8:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 7:23pm:
Why should there be any religious nonsense in parliament?


Especially just one bit of nonsense from just one particular religion. 

Those MPs could not care less about it.  They mumble it....as would anyone...............they have zero regard for its terms, and then get on with breaching its terms.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 8:07pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 8:07pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 8:08pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm:
*flip...bugger ya!*


Talk about a short fuse!  What a jerk!

Please NOTE the time of the 3 posts!  ;D


Your level of understand about the page flipping issue is matched only by the quality of your insistence that the Lord's Prayer is a Constitutional imperative.


Before hitting the post message key, hit the preview key and read and re-read what you have said to make certain you have not left any words out, or made idiotic spelling errors.

You are the person who had to hire a computer guru to show you how to make a SCREENSHOT. Dipstick.  ;D So don't tell me about my computer experience or knowledge. You are definitely the dickhead in that regard.

BTW The Lords Prayer is listed in The Constitution (s 116) as I said.  Any change to The Constitution requires a Referendum. Your argument is pure nitpicking. Typical of a cabbie.
This person argues like a denialist.  Show them a mountain of evidence and they still insist that you have not produced any evidence.  Waste of space.   

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 17th, 2014 at 8:25pm

matty wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 4:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:17pm:

matty wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:03am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:41am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am:

matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.


'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'

'judge thee not lest thee be judged'

sound familiar Matty ... or are you only a good Christian when it suits you???
Hypocrite


I am not perfect and don't claim to be.


and you think that excuses your rank hypocrisy? Go to church on Sunday, say a prayer and you are excused for being a d1ck Mon to Sat?? only to do it all over again week after week?


No, that is not true.
'

bullsh1t ... it's the same story all the time, the more religious they claim to be, the bigger the arsehole they tend to be


That is the exception, not the rule. I know thousand of solid christians, that are arsheholes, whereas  the nicest people I know are those that aren't very religious ... that makes it a rule, not the exception

And in response to your other comments, I know for a fact that a lot of chardonnay socialists who vote Labor and the Greens (especially the latter) do no charity work whatsoever you don't even know how to get it up, let alone any facts  , and claim to be holier than thou.

Think Adam Band and Sarah hanson young, for example, both of whom are clearly from middle class backgrounds.I don't think of them, never have .. the only time they cross my mind is when I read about them in your posts, which actually happens a lot ... you seem to be obsessed with them


1. So in other word, it's all about you and your experiences?
2. No, I am not like that at all.
3. I hardly ever mention them, actually. I am just making the point that people like this (ie middle-class and upper-class lefties) are complete and utter hypocrites.


of course I comment about me and my experiences ... only you would try to comment on someone else's experience and call it 'fact' ... after all, you did say you know for a fact ... how so?Did Pickering tell you?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by John Smith on Jan 17th, 2014 at 8:27pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm:
*flip...bugger ya!*


Talk about a short fuse!  What a jerk!

Please NOTE the time of the 3 posts!  ;D


Your level of understand about the page flipping issue is matched only by the quality of your insistence that the Lord's Prayer is a Constitutional imperative.


Before hitting the post message key, hit the preview key and read and re-read what you have said to make certain you have not left any words out, or made idiotic spelling errors.

You are the person who had to hire a computer guru to show you how to make a SCREENSHOT. Dipstick.  ;D So don't tell me about my computer experience or knowledge. You are definitely the dickhead in that regard.

BTW The Lords Prayer is listed in The Constitution (s 116) as I said.  Any change to The Constitution requires a Referendum. Your argument is pure nitpicking. Typical of a cabbie.


and your argument is pure fantasy ... typical of someone who's had their brain fried from sitting in a sunbed all the time  :D :D :D

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 17th, 2014 at 8:27pm

Quote:
This person argues like a denialist.  Show them a mountain of evidence and they still insist that you have no produced any evidence.  Waste of space.


That's not true.  It is more of a ~ *look at me.....I'm clevah and a know all, even though, whenever I post I prove how phaarking stupid and ignorant I really am* ~ problem.

She posts on the premise that because she has.......by that very fact.................it is not only correct, but relevant to the discussion.  In both cases, she is deluding herself.  I'll leave it at that, except to add that I would really appreciate it if she stopped stalking me (with her insane, inane gibber) whenever I post.

Section 116, Neferti.  Post your special version of it here (with a credible link) so we can all see where the "Lord's Prayer" is mentioned.
 

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 10:25pm
Religion teaches you how to act:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeFnFtRx7Ow



Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:22am
Ban all religion in schools & parliament.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:58am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:22am:
Ban all religion in schools & parliament.



bobby,

Whether or not religion is formalised, we human beings are all 'religious' creatures.

What i mean, is that YOUR religion, is the way that you conduct your life.

And that is true, of each and every one of us, imo.
[....even of atheists.]



But hey, lets ban all religions.

Because merit does not reside in religion.

Merit and virtue do not reside anywhere, especially not in the hearts of men!!!!

And men created religion, so all religion, should be destroyed.

Of course!!!





Instead of order, lets have more anarchy [human lawlessness] instead!!!!     :o

I pity you, bobby.

I pity you, for your fate.


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Setanta on Jan 18th, 2014 at 1:22am

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:22am:
Ban all religion in schools & parliament.



bobby,

Whether or not religion is formalised, we human beings are all 'religious' creatures.

What i mean, is that YOUR religion, is the way that you conduct your life.

And that is true, of each and every one of us, imo.
[....even of atheists.]



But hey, lets ban all religions.

Because merit does not reside in religion.

Merit and virtue do not reside anywhere, especially not in the hearts of men!!!!

And men created religion, so all religion, should be destroyed.

Of course!!!





Instead of order, lets have more anarchy [human lawlessness] instead!!!!     :o

I pity you, bobby.

I pity you, for your fate.


You cannot say a persons philosophy of life is a religion in the same way Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc are religions. One is a personal view on the world, tudder is handed to you to believe or be forever tormented in hell by a supreme being. One people kill over, the other is a personal philosophy of how they should live. One is internal, the other external.

Why do you pity Bobby? You must also pity me but we don't need it, in fact we both(probably) pity you, you can't even decide right and wrong without being told, it would seem, why else subscribe to an external religion?

How often do we hear "so you can go and rape, murder and do anything you like because there is no-one to tell you how to behave" from the religious? You have no moral compass.." Well some people don't need to be told what is right and those that need the threat of damnation to behave are by default hideous people that cannot function ethically without that threat..

No wonder most conservatives seem to be religious. I suppose we should be thankful you do have that religion to moderate your hateful minds, so in that sense I suppose some people do need it. It's a bit sad though and that's why I have pity for you.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Stratos on Jan 18th, 2014 at 7:21am
Funny how quick you are to defend religious freedom when there isn't a Koran in sight Yadda

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:41am

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:22am:
Ban all religion in schools & parliament.



bobby,

Whether or not religion is formalised, we human beings are all 'religious' creatures.

What i mean, is that YOUR religion, is the way that you conduct your life.

And that is true, of each and every one of us, imo.
[....even of atheists.]



But hey, lets ban all religions.

Because merit does not reside in religion.

Merit and virtue do not reside anywhere, especially not in the hearts of men!!!!

And men created religion, so all religion, should be destroyed.

Of course!!!





Instead of order, lets have more anarchy [human lawlessness] instead!!!!     :o

I pity you, bobby.

I pity you, for your fate.



What fate - to live as a free man with my own thoughts?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:28am

Setanta wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 1:22am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:22am:
Ban all religion in schools & parliament.



bobby,

Whether or not religion is formalised, we human beings are all 'religious' creatures.

What i mean, is that YOUR religion, is the way that you conduct your life.

And that is true, of each and every one of us, imo.
[....even of atheists.]


You cannot say a persons philosophy of life is a religion in the same way Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc are religions. One is a personal view on the world, tudder is handed to you to believe or be forever tormented in hell by a supreme being. One people kill over, the other is a personal philosophy of how they should live. One is internal, the other external.

Why do you pity Bobby? You must also pity me but we don't need it, in fact we both(probably) pity you, you can't even decide right and wrong without being told, it would seem, why else subscribe to an external religion?

How often do we hear "so you can go and rape, murder and do anything you like because there is no-one to tell you how to behave" from the religious? You have no moral compass.." Well some people don't need to be told what is right and those that need the threat of damnation to behave are by default hideous people that cannot function ethically without that threat..

No wonder most conservatives seem to be religious. I suppose we should be thankful you do have that religion to moderate your hateful minds, so in that sense I suppose some people do need it. It's a bit sad though and that's why I have pity for you.






Quote:
you can't even decide right and wrong without being told, it would seem, why else subscribe to an external religion?

....some people don't need to be told what is right and those that need the threat of damnation to behave are by default hideous people that cannot function ethically without that threat..



Setanta,

Your suggestion is, that we teach our children that they can choose for themselves what is right and wrong ?      :o

Well, that is fine.

So long as SOMEONE will be responsible for the real world consequences of their choices.

Are you volunteering, for that burden ???







Moving on....
And perhaps you suggesting that 1/ growing up in our society or, 2/ 'an education', can instil a moral compass inside us and our children ?

Well, i think that it is very evident that [young] men and women are NOT being taught self restraint, by our society.
         [self restraint, being the basis of an ability to live in peace with others, imo]

The evidence of 'our' common behaviour in our society ['today'], is that we have been teaching our children
1/ how to practice lawlessness, and
2/ how to shirk all responsibility for the consequences of their own poor choices.

And imo, that is a 'recipe' for [societal] disaster.



'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0

Quote:

What happens to many 'normal' people when they think that they are free from any restraint or authority?
Look at the common behaviour and conduct of many people in society, especially young people out at night, looking for a 'good time'.

I'm sure that you have seen some of the results on the evening TV news, the one punch fatalities, the random sexual assaults, the broken and slashed faces.


Q.
And i ask, why is it, that it isn't it safe to walk our suburban or city streets at night?

A.
Because there are too many 'normal' people, walking those streets at night.     :D



Why do some [many?] of us believe that it is normal, to behave in a riotous [violent] way?

Why when we remove the light of day, and the restraining / calming influence of society / authority do many ppl behave in this way?

Why?

The TRUTH is that for many of us, human 'civility' is paper thin.

Why so?

Because many of us 'normal' people, demonstrate [when unrestrained] that we are 'normal' human beings who are vain, selfish, lecherous, greedy, violent creatures, when we are without restraint.
And, we demonstrate that we have no moral compass.



.....

A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.



Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.





+++

Regarding the Lord's Prayer being used at the opening of our Parliament;

Personal prayer [and reading the bible], invokes [i.e. invites!] the spirit of God within us.

And that is a good thing.


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:33am

Quote:
Regarding the Lord's Prayer being used at the opening of our Parliament;

Personal prayer [and reading the bible], invokes [i.e. invites!] the spirit of God within us.

And that is a good thing.



Why don't they read this bit of the Bible?

Like Deut 13 13


Quote:
13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.


The Bible is cherry picked for nice verses.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:34am
bobby,

Yes, i know.

Too long.



I'm still working on that one liner, for you.

8-)

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:37am

Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
BTW The Lords Prayer is listed in The Constitution (s 116) as I said. 



Not in the Australian Constitution, it isn't.







Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Stratos on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:39am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:33am:
Why don't they read this bit of the Bible?


Should just start with the 10 commandments.  Then hopefully all the Christians will realise they are all bearing false witness and stop lying.

Or you know, continue to be massive hypocrites, either way.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:42am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:33am:

Quote:
Regarding the Lord's Prayer being used at the opening of our Parliament;

Personal prayer [and reading the bible], invokes [i.e. invites!] the spirit of God within us.

And that is a good thing.



Why don't they read this bit of the Bible?

Like Deut 13 13

[quote]13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.


The Bible is cherry picked for nice verses.

[/quote]




bobby!!!!!

What are you doing, reading my posts!!

They are far too long for you!!!!




bobby,

Regards the content of your post.

You are in error.

Matthew 22:29
......Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures.....




What is your error ???

You do not want to know.



If you do want to know, then i suggest that you begin at Genesis Ch1




2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

....or go to hell, bobby.



Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:43am
bump

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:43am
bump again!

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:44am

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:34am:
bobby,

Yes, i know.

Too long.



I'm still working on that one liner, for you.

8-)



Don't avoid the question -

why not read  Deut 13  13?


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:44am
bump again, and again!

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:47am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:44am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:34am:
bobby,

Yes, i know.

Too long.



I'm still working on that one liner, for you.

8-)



Don't avoid the question -

why not read  Deut 13  13?



I am not avoiding the Q, bobby.



Quote:

bobby,

Regards the content of your post.

You are in error.

Matthew 22:29
......Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures.....




What is your error ???

You do not want to know.



If you do want to know, then i suggest that you begin at Genesis Ch1




2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

....or go to hell, bobby.




Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Stratos on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:49am

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:47am:
If you do want to know, then i suggest that you begin at Genesis Ch1


Lol yes, let's start with an affirmation of creation.  That will bring us into the modern age.

Also, what kind of Christian tells someone to "go to hell"? 

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:49am

Quote:
Don't avoid the question -

why not read  Deut 13  13?





Quote:
I am not avoiding the Q, bobby.




Question avoided by bible bashing Yadda.

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:07am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:49am:

Quote:
Don't avoid the question -

why not read  Deut 13  13?




[quote]I am not avoiding the Q, bobby.




Question avoided by bible bashing Yadda.

[/quote]


bobby lacks understanding.

bobby wants to understand,   .....something.

But bobby refuses to go to the 'source' of knowledge, which would create an understanding in his mind.

Instead, bobby 'thrashes around', wailing, and complaining, that he just doesn't understand.

Blaming others, for his own self imposed, for his own self inflicted, ignorance.



Proverbs 1:22
How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

How long, LORD !!!i

Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:33am:
Why don't they read this bit of the Bible?

Like Deut 13 13


Quote:
13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.


The Bible is cherry picked for nice verses.



Yes, it has, bobby,    ......and you are yet another 'cherry picker'.


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:14am

Quote:
Yes, it has, bobby,    ......and you are yet another 'cherry picker'.




And the Bible is full of horrific commands by the Lord.

You ignore them to the detriment of your knowledge.

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by LaQuinn on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:33am
Religion has no place in government, religion only holds back progression.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:38am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:33am:
The Bible is cherry picked for nice verses....Why don't they read this bit of the Bible?

Like Deut 13 13

[quote]13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.


Ahh yes!! Blessed be god's love

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:45am

LaQuinn wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:33am:
Religion has no place in government, religion only holds back progression.


Ah, another 'progressive' !!



What a wonderful [lawless!, violent!] world you progressives are creating.


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:50am

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:45am:

LaQuinn wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:33am:
Religion has no place in government, religion only holds back progression.


Ah, another 'progressive' !!



What a wonderful [lawless!, violent!] world you progressives are creating.


Just like  Deut 13 13  -  you Bible basher.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Stratos on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:51am

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:45am:

LaQuinn wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:33am:
Religion has no place in government, religion only holds back progression.


Ah, another 'progressive' !!



What a wonderful [lawless!, violent!] world you progressives are creating.


What, as opposed to your non lawless non violent faith that has lead you to the conclusion that killing babies and genocide can be justified?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by thelastnail on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:52am

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:45am:

LaQuinn wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:33am:
Religion has no place in government, religion only holds back progression.


Ah, another 'progressive' !!



What a wonderful [lawless!, violent!] world you progressives are creating.


and read your own bible. Is that what you call lawful ??

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:01pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:52am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:45am:

LaQuinn wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:33am:
Religion has no place in government, religion only holds back progression.


Ah, another 'progressive' !!



What a wonderful [lawless!, violent!] world you progressives are creating.


and read your own bible. Is that what you call lawful ??


Hear hear nail,
Christians make no apologies for all the commanded killing in their Bible.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:01pm
.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:02pm
.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:06pm

Stratos wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:51am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:45am:

LaQuinn wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:33am:
Religion has no place in government, religion only holds back progression.


Ah, another 'progressive' !!



What a wonderful [lawless!, violent!] world you progressives are creating.


What, as opposed to your non lawless non violent faith that has lead you to the conclusion that killing babies and genocide can be justified?




Yadda, is a baby killer!       Yadda, is a baby killer!

Honest!      :o


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by thelastnail on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:08pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:52am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:45am:

LaQuinn wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:33am:
Religion has no place in government, religion only holds back progression.


Ah, another 'progressive' !!



What a wonderful [lawless!, violent!] world you progressives are creating.


and read your own bible. Is that what you call lawful ??


Hear hear nail,
Christians make no apologies for all the commanded killing in their Bible.


forget about the commanded killings and murders. How many did the christian god actually kill in the bible ?


Quote:
How many has God killed?

    I kill ... I wound ... I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh. -- Deuteronomy 32:39-42

How many people did God kill in the Bible?

It's impossible to say for sure, but plenty. How many did God drown in the flood or burn to death in Sodom and Gomorrah? How many first-born Egyptians did he kill? There's just no way to count them all.

But sometimes the Bible tells us exactly how many were killed by God. So what happens if you total all of these killings? What number do you get?

Well, here's what I came up with: 2,476,633

Note that this number is a gross underestimate of the total number. It doesn't include, in many cases, women and children, and it completely leaves out some of God's more impressive kills. (Like the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, the firstborn Egyptian children, etc.)

So what happens if you use estimates when the Bible provides only numbers for adult male victims or no numbers at all?

Here's my estimate: 25 million

And here is a complete list of all of God's killings in the Bible.

Much more information about God's killings, with a chapter on each of the 135 killing events, can be found int the book:


http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com.au/2006/08/how-many-has-god-killed.html

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:08pm
Dear misguided Yadda,

I suggest you read this entire website:

http://www.evilbible.com/


namaste

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by LaQuinn on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:12pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:45am:

LaQuinn wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:33am:
Religion has no place in government, religion only holds back progression.


Ah, another 'progressive' !!



What a wonderful [lawless!, violent!] world you progressives are creating.


How is a world without religion lawless and violent? This should be good.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by thelastnail on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:13pm
Hey Yadda here is an itemized list of your christian gods murderous rampage. Free free to try and rationalize it all ;D

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com.au/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:24pm

LaQuinn wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:45am:

LaQuinn wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:33am:
Religion has no place in government, religion only holds back progression.


Ah, another 'progressive' !!



What a wonderful [lawless!, violent!] world you progressives are creating.


How is a world without religion lawless and violent? This should be good.



LaQuinn,

I have not seen God, in a bodily form, in this world.

But i have seen many, many men, and the consequences of the choices of we men and women.



So, God is not present, but men are, present in this world.

And imo, it is the absence of God, in the hearts of men, which is giving expression, to the evil, and the wickedness, which we see being committed by God by MEN, by mankind, in this world.

FURTHER;
If men feared God, they would shun lawlessness, and violence.

But today, men do what is right in their own eyes.

Today, men have discarded God's laws of righteousness, as per revealed to man, in the bible.  Exodus 20




+++



Ecclesiastes 12:13
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.




Never old.

IMAGE....







Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Stratos on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:28pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:24pm:
to the evil, and the wickedness


YOU SUPORT GENOCIDE BASED ON YOUR BELIEFS!

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:39pm

Stratos wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:28pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:24pm:
to the evil, and the wickedness


YOU SUPORT GENOCIDE BASED ON YOUR BELIEFS!



I SUPPORT GENOCIDE judgement BASED ON God's righteousness!


2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.



Hey Stratos, my God does not exist [in your world].

My God, is a figment of my imagination.

Stratos, people like yourself, can do whatever you desire.

There is no cost.

There is no day of accounting, for the consequences of your choices in this life.

Psalms 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God......





+++

Isaiah 26:20
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21  For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.


Jeremiah 9:23
Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:
24  But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.




Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Stratos on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:40pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:39pm:
I SUPPORT GENOCIDE judgement BASED ON God's righteousness!


Well when that judgement includes genocide and infanticide (and it does in this case) then you support this too.

You aren't even denying it lol

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:54pm

Stratos wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:39pm:
I SUPPORT GENOCIDE judgement BASED ON God's righteousness!


Well when that judgement includes genocide and infanticide (and it does in this case) then you support this too.

You aren't even denying it lol




Stratos,

Judgement [i.e. responsibility] for our actions, is a difficult concept for people like you to understand isn't it !

"How dare anyone presume to judge me, and my actions!"



God will.

And he is real.

And you, and me, are his.

He owns us.

That thought, is what is wrong, isn't is Stratos ?

The thought, that someone who created you, has the right to direct your actions.

And that, is what you are in rebellion, over.

Stratos,

Your destiny is servitude [i.e. slavery].








To be a slave of righteousness, is freedom.


Where justice reigns, 'tis freedom to obey.
James MontgomeryiDaniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.


Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.


Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.




Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Stratos on Jan 18th, 2014 at 1:01pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:54pm:
Judgement [i.e. responsibility] for our actions, is a difficult concept for people like you to understand isn't it !


So why do you support the killing of babies then?  what actions are they responsible for that deserve death?

It's funny you would say this


Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:54pm:
is a difficult concept for people like you to understand isn't it


When concepts like "genocide is bad" seems to avoid you

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 1:05pm

Stratos wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:54pm:
Judgement [i.e. responsibility] for our actions, is a difficult concept for people like you to understand isn't it !


So why do you support the killing of babies then?  what actions are they responsible for that deserve death?

It's funny you would say this


Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:54pm:
is a difficult concept for people like you to understand isn't it


When concepts like "genocide is bad" seems to avoid you



Oh, i know, i understand, that genocide and murder, are bad actions.



Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 1:06pm
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Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 1:07pm
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Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 1:08pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by NBNMyths on Jan 18th, 2014 at 2:18pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:45am:

LaQuinn wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:33am:
Religion has no place in government, religion only holds back progression.


Ah, another 'progressive' !!



What a wonderful [lawless!, violent!] world you progressives are creating.


Yep, before us progressive atheists, there was no violence or lawlessness.

Just read through the old testament. Chock full of happiness, tolerance, peace and goodwill to all.*

* Unless you're homosexual, worship another God, live in a town where someone worships another God, are an atheist, are a victim of rape, have unmarried sex or work on a Sunday. In any of those cases, you deserve whatever violence comes your way....

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 2:57pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:54pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:39pm:
I SUPPORT GENOCIDE judgement BASED ON God's righteousness!


Well when that judgement includes genocide and infanticide (and it does in this case) then you support this too.

You aren't even denying it lol




Stratos,

Judgement [i.e. responsibility] for our actions, is a difficult concept for people like you to understand isn't it !

"How dare anyone presume to judge me, and my actions!"



God will.

And he is real.

And you, and me, are his.

He owns us.

That thought, is what is wrong, isn't is Stratos ?

The thought, that someone who created you, has the right to direct your actions.

And that, is what you are in rebellion, over.

Stratos,

Your destiny is servitude [i.e. slavery].








To be a slave of righteousness, is freedom.


Where justice reigns, 'tis freedom to obey.
James MontgomeryiDaniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.


Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.


Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.



Too long to read -

one short punchy sentence please.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by The Grappler 2014 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 3:12pm

Our Policies,
Since Two Thousand and Seven
Hollow be thy Promises.
This King's word's scum
Tone's will be done,
In earth-digging as it is in boat people.
Give us this day our daily dread
Of leading us to be a poor nation
For someone else's is the investment
The towers and the tailings
For the term of the leases
Amen.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 18th, 2014 at 3:26pm
All of this fervent discussion is just more evidence why we should stand up for our constitutional rights and remove the anachronistic prayer. It's got no legitimate place in a Parliament governed by a constitution that specifically prohibits the creation of laws that require observance.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 3:56pm
Just added a poll:


Should the Lord's Prayer be scrapped in Parliament?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 10:03am
The poll is over whelming.

the Lord's prayer should be scrapped.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by philperth2010 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 10:29am
The majority of Australian's are Christians (over 60%) or could not care less if the Lords Prayer is recited before Parliament sits.....The majority are being represented and the prayer should offend no one IMO!!!

:) :) :)

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:11am

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 10:29am:
The majority of Australian's are Christians (over 60%) or could not care less if the Lords Prayer is recited before Parliament sits.....The majority are being represented and the prayer should offend no one IMO!!!

:) :) :)



It offends me - I see religion as a curse that will destroy the world.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by woody2013 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:22am
;D ;D
Bobby. wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:11am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 10:29am:
The majority of Australian's are Christians (over 60%) or could not care less if the Lords Prayer is recited before Parliament sits.....The majority are being represented and the prayer should offend no one IMO!!!

:) :) :)



It offends me - I see religion as a curse that will destroy the world.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

`Well that's called  F ;DU ;D ;DC ;DK I ;DN ;DG    S ;DT ;DI ;DF ;DF ;D

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by philperth2010 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:30am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:11am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 10:29am:
The majority of Australian's are Christians (over 60%) or could not care less if the Lords Prayer is recited before Parliament sits.....The majority are being represented and the prayer should offend no one IMO!!!

:) :) :)



It offends me - I see religion as a curse that will destroy the world.


It has not happened in over 2000 years of Christianity and is declining in popularity.....I think most religious people are against violence and are very tolerant!!!

:) :) :)

Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful.
Randy K. Milholland, Something Positive Comic, 10-19-06

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:33am

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:30am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:11am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 10:29am:
The majority of Australian's are Christians (over 60%) or could not care less if the Lords Prayer is recited before Parliament sits.....The majority are being represented and the prayer should offend no one IMO!!!

:) :) :)



It offends me - I see religion as a curse that will destroy the world.


It has not happened in over 2000 years of Christianity and is declining in popularity.....I think most religious people are against violence and are very tolerant!!!

:) :) :)

Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful.
Randy K. Milholland, Something Positive Comic, 10-19-06



It nearly happened because of that Catholic monster Hitler.
He thought he was doing God's work on earth.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by woody2013 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:40am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:33am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:30am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:11am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 10:29am:
The majority of Australian's are Christians (over 60%) or could not care less if the Lords Prayer is recited before Parliament sits.....The majority are being represented and the prayer should offend no one IMO!!!

:) :) :)



It offends me - I see religion as a curse that will destroy the world.


It has not happened in over 2000 years of Christianity and is declining in popularity.....I think most religious people are against violence and are very tolerant!!!

:) :) :)

Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful.
Randy K. Milholland, Something Positive Comic, 10-19-06



It nearly happened because of that Catholic monster Hitler.
He thought he was doing God's work on earth.



F. F. S  IN TROT'S HITLER     >:( >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:54am

woody2014 wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:22am:
;D ;D
Bobby. wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:11am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 10:29am:
The majority of Australian's are Christians (over 60%) or could not care less if the Lords Prayer is recited before Parliament sits.....The majority are being represented and the prayer should offend no one IMO!!!

:) :) :)



It offends me - I see religion as a curse that will destroy the world.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

`Well that's called  F ;DU ;D ;DC ;DK I ;DN ;DG    S ;DT ;DI ;DF ;DF ;D




forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:54am
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:55am
Hitler - catholic monster with his henchmen & supporters.

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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 19th, 2014 at 12:59pm
More evidence to support Godwin's law.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by woody2013 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 1:08pm

Bam wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
More evidence to support Godwin's law.

Godwin's law

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Mike Godwin (2010)
Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies[1][2]) is an assertion made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3] In other words, Godwin said that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis.

Although in one of its early forms Godwin's law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[4] the law is now often applied to any threaded online discussion, such as forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, and has been invoked for the inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches.[5]

In 2012, "Godwin's Law" became an entry in the third edition of the Oxford English Dictionary.[6]



Contents  [hide]
1 Corollaries and usage
2 History
3 See also
4 Notes
5 Further reading
6 External links


Corollaries and usage[edit]

There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself)[3] than others.[1] For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.[7] This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law. It is considered poor form to raise such a comparison arbitrarily with the motive of ending the thread. There is a widely recognized corollary that any such ulterior-motive invocation of Godwin's law will be unsuccessful.[8]

Godwin's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Nazis – often referred to as "playing the Hitler card". The law and its corollaries would not apply to discussions covering known mainstays of Nazi Germany such as genocide, eugenics, or racial superiority, nor, more debatably, to a discussion of other totalitarian regimes or ideologies, if that was the explicit topic of conversation, since a Nazi comparison in those circumstances may be appropriate, in effect committing the fallacist's fallacy. Whether it applies to humorous use or references to oneself is open to interpretation, since this would not be a fallacious attack against a debate opponent.

While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.[9] Similar criticisms of the "law" (or "at least the distorted version which purports to prohibit all comparisons to German crimes") have been made by Glenn Greenwald.[10]

History[edit]

Godwin has stated that he introduced Godwin's law in 1990 as an experiment in memetics.[2]

Godwin's law does not claim to articulate a fallacy; it is instead framed as a memetic tool to reduce the incidence of inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons. "Although deliberately framed as if it were a law of nature or of mathematics, its purpose has always been rhetorical and pedagogical: I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler or to Nazis to think a bit harder about the Holocaust", Godwin has written.[11]

See also[edit]


Portal icon Internet portal
Association fallacy
Reductio ad Hitlerum
List of adages named after people


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 4:25pm
The Nazis associated with the Catholics.

I don't care about Godwin's law - fact is fact.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Neferti on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:14pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:50pm:
I must be blind.


It is referred to in the Preamble.  So, yes, to take this bit out of the Preamble would require the usual procedure of changing The Constitution.


Quote:
The Preamble to the Australian Constitution affirms that the Federation was brought into being by an act "humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God." There it is, stated in print, in our Constitution. It would of course be interesting to know more about how the Preamble was composed and what those writing it actually thought about this phrase that, in a most important way, qualifies the act of founding the Commonwealth of Australia. But by even stating this much, we have potentially embarrassed those who have called for the abolition of the Lord's Prayer. Why? Because whether the writers of the Constitution meant it or not, the phrase actually implies that prayer to the Almighty is an implicit facet of Australia's political life, and is thus assumed to be a normal part of our system of government. To say it again: "humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God" is itself a prayer.


Preamble Herei

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Neferti on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:16pm
Oh, and the version of the Lord's Prayer that they read in Parliament is the Protestant (Anglican) version, not the Catholic one.  ;)

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Pastafarian on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:19pm
Why not a compromise, get all the religious types into one of the anterooms and get them to pray there, whilst for 10 minutes the intelligent pollies can start on the business of the day

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.


And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Greens_Win on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:23pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.


And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??



Any workplace in the country that doesn't start a shift with the lord's prayer is disenfranchising religious people?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Neferti on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:23pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:19pm:
Why not a compromise, get all the religious types into one of the anterooms and get them to pray there, whilst for 10 minutes the intelligent pollies can start on the business of the day


I don't care, I am a Reformed Agnostic.

I said it was referred to in our Constitution and was challenged. No big deal.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:23pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 4:25pm:
The Nazis associated with the Catholics.

I don't care about Godwin's law - fact is fact.


Actually no, the Catholic Church didn't openly oppose the Nazis...but that was a political decision based on fear (and the fact that the Church hasn't had a proper 'army' since the Crusades.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:25pm

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.


And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??



Any workplace in the country that doesn't start a shift with the lord's prayer is disenfranchising religious workers?


Any workplace that bans religious believers who work there from praying certainly is.

How would that be considered if Muslim workers weren't allowed to pray at work??

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:25pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.


And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??


What is being proposed is getting rid of the silly religious rituals not the religious ppl.

SOB

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:26pm
flip

SOB

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:26pm
flip

SOB

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:27pm
flip

SOB

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Neferti on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:29pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:27pm:
flip

SOB



flip, flip, flip, flop, flop, flop. Is this a new thing around here? (impatience?)  ;D

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Greens_Win on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.


And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??



Any workplace in the country that doesn't start a shift with the lord's prayer is disenfranchising religious workers?


Any workplace that bans religious believers who work there from praying certainly is.

How would that be considered if Muslim workers weren't allowed to pray at work??



No ban on praying in parliament is being put forward … just do it before work or during breaks … or silently.

So are workplaces without the lord's prayer disenfrachising anyone?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.


And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??


What is being proposed is getting rid of the silly religious rituals not the religious ppl.

SOB


And you don't see that it would upset the religious people far more than sitting in parliament, going over paper work while the religiously inclined pray, would upset most atheists or agnostics???

95% of atheists/agnostics don't care if someone else prays, as long as they're not expected to join in.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Neferti on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:50pm:
I must be blind.


It is referred to in the Preamble.  So, yes, to take this bit out of the Preamble would require the usual procedure of changing The Constitution.


Quote:
The Preamble to the Australian Constitution affirms that the Federation was brought into being by an act "humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God." There it is, stated in print, in our Constitution. It would of course be interesting to know more about how the Preamble was composed and what those writing it actually thought about this phrase that, in a most important way, qualifies the act of founding the Commonwealth of Australia. But by even stating this much, we have potentially embarrassed those who have called for the abolition of the Lord's Prayer. Why? Because whether the writers of the Constitution meant it or not, the phrase actually implies that prayer to the Almighty is an implicit facet of Australia's political life, and is thus assumed to be a normal part of our system of government. To say it again: "humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God" is itself a prayer.


Preamble Here


B*U*M*P* For Aussie's benefit.  :P

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:32pm

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.


And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??



Any workplace in the country that doesn't start a shift with the lord's prayer is disenfranchising religious workers?


Any workplace that bans religious believers who work there from praying certainly is.

How would that be considered if Muslim workers weren't allowed to pray at work??



No ban on praying in parliament is being put forward … just do it before work or silently.


Yes, that IS exactly what is being put forward.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:35pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.


And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??


What is being proposed is getting rid of the silly religious rituals not the religious ppl.

SOB


And you don't see that it would upset the religious people far more than sitting in parliament, going over paper work while the religiously inclined pray, would upset most atheists or agnostics???

95% of atheists/agnostics don't care if someone else prays, as long as they're not expected to join in.


But they are expected to join in or @ least stand. Also its offensive since church and government are supposed to be separate.

SOB

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Greens_Win on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:37pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:32pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.


And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??



Any workplace in the country that doesn't start a shift with the lord's prayer is disenfranchising religious workers?


Any workplace that bans religious believers who work there from praying certainly is.

How would that be considered if Muslim workers weren't allowed to pray at work??



No ban on praying in parliament is being put forward … just do it before work or silently.


Yes, that IS exactly what is being put forward.



It is not
People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours.
If people want to pray during work, join a monastery.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:10pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:35pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.


And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??


What is being proposed is getting rid of the silly religious rituals not the religious ppl.

SOB


And you don't see that it would upset the religious people far more than sitting in parliament, going over paper work while the religiously inclined pray, would upset most atheists or agnostics???

95% of atheists/agnostics don't care if someone else prays, as long as they're not expected to join in.


But they are expected to join in or @ least stand. Also its offensive since church and government are supposed to be separate.

SOB


Are they?? Are you sure about that??

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:11pm

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:32pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:
[quote http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/resize_wb.gifauthor=bobbythebat1 link=1389728965/8#8 date=1389733548]It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.


And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??



Any workplace in the country that doesn't start a shift with the lord's prayer is disenfranchising religious workers?


Any workplace that bans religious believers who work there from praying certainly is.

How would that be considered if Muslim workers weren't allowed to pray at work??



No ban on praying in parliament is being put forward … just do it before work or silently.


Yes, that IS exactly what is being put forward.



It is not
People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours.
If people want to pray during work, join a monastery. [/quote]

And if 75% or 80% of Members of the House want to start the session with the prayer???

The Greens are once again trying to push their version of morality on to everyone....oh and btw, getting rid of the lord's prayer in Parliament won't get rid of the religious objections to same-sex marriage, it'll probably have the exact opposite effect and make it harder to get the Marriage Act changed.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Greens_Win on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:28pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:32pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:
[quote http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/resize_wb.gifauthor=bobbythebat1 link=1389728965/8#8 date=1389733548]It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.


And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??



Any workplace in the country that doesn't start a shift with the lord's prayer is disenfranchising religious workers?


Any workplace that bans religious believers who work there from praying certainly is.

How would that be considered if Muslim workers weren't allowed to pray at work??



No ban on praying in parliament is being put forward … just do it before work or silently.


Yes, that IS exactly what is being put forward.



It is not
People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours.
If people want to pray during work, join a monastery.


And if 75% or 80% of Members of the House want to start the session with the prayer???

The Greens are once again trying to push their version of morality on to everyone....oh and btw, getting rid of the lord's prayer in Parliament won't get rid of the religious objections to same-sex marriage, it'll probably have the exact opposite effect and make it harder to get the Marriage Act changed.[/quote]




_/_/_/_/




You haven't explained your previous opinion :



Quote:
And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious


How is people privately praying disenfranchising religious people.

Is your god hard of hearing?

And if religious people are disenfranchised then why no push to make praying manditory in all Australian work places?



Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by LaQuinn on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:37pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:48am:
It's traditional.  There are many anachronistic traditions in the parliament.

It's just a throw back to the very beginings of the English parliamentary democracy that we mirror.

Do they want the indigenous folk to also give up their 'dream time'?

Go suck on a sauce bottle Greens.   >:(


Any religion should have no association with governing. Governing needs to be based around fact and wise decision making based on what is best for society, not what some silly fictional book tells us.



Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by FriYAY on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:45pm

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:
People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours.
If people want to pray during work, join a monastery.


You want Muslims to join a monastery and pray after work!!!

I’d get a thick leather collar of I were you…..


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:46pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.


And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??

It does no such thing. If they want to pray, paint themselves with ochre, sacrifice goats, rip out the still-beating hearts of their enslaved enemies, or whatever it is that they wish to do, they can still do so, just not on the floor of Parliament. (It's too difficult getting the blood out of the carpets.)

Also, they still get to vote whether they may pray or not, so this "disenfranchise" argument is crap.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:51pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:35pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.


And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??


What is being proposed is getting rid of the silly religious rituals not the religious ppl.

SOB


And you don't see that it would upset the religious people far more than sitting in parliament, going over paper work while the religiously inclined pray, would upset most atheists or agnostics???

95% of atheists/agnostics don't care if someone else prays, as long as they're not expected to join in.


But they are expected to join in or @ least stand. Also its offensive since church and government are supposed to be separate.

SOB


Are they?? Are you sure about that??


Yup. Even gillard had to stand. Its stupid. You can say officially they dont have to but they do have to.

SOB

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by mozzaok on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:51pm
Ban it all, praying, bible bashing of any kind in fact.

There is no god, and if anyone needed further proof of that, the fact that politicians can pray in parliament, and not be struck by lightning, should be enough to convince anyone.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:52pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:
People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours.
If people want to pray during work, join a monastery.


And if 75% or 80% of Members of the House want to start the session with the prayer???

The Greens are once again trying to push their version of morality on to everyone....oh and btw, getting rid of the lord's prayer in Parliament won't get rid of the religious objections to same-sex marriage, it'll probably have the exact opposite effect and make it harder to get the Marriage Act changed.

Hold on a moment. Why is it OK for the religious from one particular religion to push their prayers onto everyone, but not OK for this to be abolished? Isn't that hypocritical?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:53pm

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:28pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:32pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:
[quote http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/resize_wb.gifauthor=bobbythebat1 link=1389728965/8#8 date=1389733548]It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.


And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??



Any workplace in the country that doesn't start a shift with the lord's prayer is disenfranchising religious workers?


Any workplace that bans religious believers who work there from praying certainly is.

How would that be considered if Muslim workers weren't allowed to pray at work??



No ban on praying in parliament is being put forward … just do it before work or silently.


Yes, that IS exactly what is being put forward.



It is not
People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours.
If people want to pray during work, join a monastery.


And if 75% or 80% of Members of the House want to start the session with the prayer???

The Greens are once again trying to push their version of morality on to everyone....oh and btw, getting rid of the lord's prayer in Parliament won't get rid of the religious objections to same-sex marriage, it'll probably have the exact opposite effect and make it harder to get the Marriage Act changed.





_/_/_/_/




You haven't explained your previous opinion :



Quote:
And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious


How is people privately praying disenfranchising religious people.

Is your god hard of hearing?

And if religious people are disenfranchised then why no push to make praying manditory in all Australian work places?


[/quote]

1) It's not about 'privately praying' It's about changing the way Parliament is opened, based on the objections of a single person (or small group)

2) I don't have a god, so the auditory acuity of mythological constructs isn't relevant.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:54pm

Bam wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:
People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours.
If people want to pray during work, join a monastery.


And if 75% or 80% of Members of the House want to start the session with the prayer???

The Greens are once again trying to push their version of morality on to everyone....oh and btw, getting rid of the lord's prayer in Parliament won't get rid of the religious objections to same-sex marriage, it'll probably have the exact opposite effect and make it harder to get the Marriage Act changed.

Hold on a moment. Why is it OK for the religious from one particular religion to push their prayers onto everyone, but not OK for this to be abolished? Isn't that hypocritical?


Can you show us where it's compulsory for everyone in the Chamber to join in??

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:55pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:51pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:35pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.


And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??


What is being proposed is getting rid of the silly religious rituals not the religious ppl.

SOB


And you don't see that it would upset the religious people far more than sitting in parliament, going over paper work while the religiously inclined pray, would upset most atheists or agnostics???

95% of atheists/agnostics don't care if someone else prays, as long as they're not expected to join in.


But they are expected to join in or @ least stand. Also its offensive since church and government are supposed to be separate.

SOB


Are they?? Are you sure about that??


Yup. Even gillard had to stand. Its stupid. You can say officially they dont have to but they do have to.

SOB


Had to, or chose to?
I'm pretty sure there are non-christian members of parliament, have any (like Adam Bandt) been ejected for not standing?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:58pm

mozzaok wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:51pm:
Ban it all, praying, bible bashing of any kind in fact.

Probably a little extreme. Banning religion is as bad as requiring it.

Everyone has the right to freedom of religion as well as the right to freedom from religion.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:59pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:54pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:
People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours.
If people want to pray during work, join a monastery.


And if 75% or 80% of Members of the House want to start the session with the prayer???

The Greens are once again trying to push their version of morality on to everyone....oh and btw, getting rid of the lord's prayer in Parliament won't get rid of the religious objections to same-sex marriage, it'll probably have the exact opposite effect and make it harder to get the Marriage Act changed.

Hold on a moment. Why is it OK for the religious from one particular religion to push their prayers onto everyone, but not OK for this to be abolished? Isn't that hypocritical?


Can you show us where it's compulsory for everyone in the Chamber to join in??

Answer my questions please.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:02pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:53pm:
1) It's not about 'privately praying' It's about changing the way Parliament is opened, based on the objections of a single person (or small group)

It's more than "the objections of a single person (or small group)". It may be unconstitutional. If it goes to the High Court and is struck out for being in violation of Section 116 of the Constitution, what then?

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by TheGreenLight on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:24pm
Is this all the Greens have to worry about? They've become such a petty, whining little party. Shame really. No wonder they lost so much of their vote last election, myself included.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by woody2013 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:25pm

Bam wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:02pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:53pm:
1) It's not about 'privately praying' It's about changing the way Parliament is opened, based on the objections of a single person (or small group)

It's more than "the objections of a single person (or small group)". It may be unconstitutional. If it goes to the High Court and is struck out for being in violation of Section 116 of the Constitution, what then?

Well then you do something about it. Till then don't get your nicker's in a knot  .   ;) ;) ;) ;)

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:42pm

woody2014 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:02pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:53pm:
1) It's not about 'privately praying' It's about changing the way Parliament is opened, based on the objections of a single person (or small group)

It's more than "the objections of a single person (or small group)". It may be unconstitutional. If it goes to the High Court and is struck out for being in violation of Section 116 of the Constitution, what then?

Well then you do something about it. Till then don't get your nicker's in a knot  .   ;) ;) ;) ;)

The only ones getting their knickers in a knot are the religious nutters who are aghast at their particular ritual being removed from somewhere where it should never have been allowed in the first place.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:43pm

Bam wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:59pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:54pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:
People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours.
If people want to pray during work, join a monastery.


And if 75% or 80% of Members of the House want to start the session with the prayer???

The Greens are once again trying to push their version of morality on to everyone....oh and btw, getting rid of the lord's prayer in Parliament won't get rid of the religious objections to same-sex marriage, it'll probably have the exact opposite effect and make it harder to get the Marriage Act changed.

Hold on a moment. Why is it OK for the religious from one particular religion to push their prayers onto everyone, but not OK for this to be abolished? Isn't that hypocritical?


Can you show us where it's compulsory for everyone in the Chamber to join in??

Answer my questions please.


Ok, 'the religious from one religion' aren't pushing their prayers onto anyone.
Christianity is not forcing people to pray ( and it's a term for a group of religions, not just one).
BUT one person or possible several anti-religious people from the Greens are trying to push their beliefs onto the Australian Parliament, probably against the wishes of the actual Members of that Parliament. ( I say probably, because if praying at the opening was against the wishes of, or offensive to the sitting members, THEY, themselves, would have already voted to stop it).

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by woody2013 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:55pm

Bam wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:42pm:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:02pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:53pm:
1) It's not about 'privately praying' It's about changing the way Parliament is opened, based on the objections of a single person (or small group)

It's more than "the objections of a single person (or small group)". It may be unconstitutional. If it goes to the High Court and is struck out for being in violation of Section 116 of the Constitution, what then?

Well then you do something about it. Till then don't get your nicker's in a knot  .   ;) ;) ;) ;)

The only ones getting their knickers in a knot are the religious nutters who are aghast at their particular ritual being removed from somewhere where it should never have been allowed in the first place.

;D ;D ;D ;D Bloody hell people thought a lot different 110 years ago    >:(

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 4:55pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:43pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:59pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:54pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:
People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours.
If people want to pray during work, join a monastery.


And if 75% or 80% of Members of the House want to start the session with the prayer???

The Greens are once again trying to push their version of morality on to everyone....oh and btw, getting rid of the lord's prayer in Parliament won't get rid of the religious objections to same-sex marriage, it'll probably have the exact opposite effect and make it harder to get the Marriage Act changed.

Hold on a moment. Why is it OK for the religious from one particular religion to push their prayers onto everyone, but not OK for this to be abolished? Isn't that hypocritical?


Can you show us where it's compulsory for everyone in the Chamber to join in??

Answer my questions please.


Ok, 'the religious from one religion' aren't pushing their prayers onto anyone.

Yes they are, they're insisting that the Lord's Prayer be retained.


Quote:
Christianity is not forcing people to pray ( and it's a term for a group of religions, not just one).

Sure. Let them adjourn to a prayer room before the sitting day begins and they can hold hands, pray and sing Halleluyah all they want. Keep the prayer off the floor of the House - as Section 116 of the Constitution demands.


Quote:
BUT one person or possible several anti-religious people from the Greens are trying to push their beliefs onto the Australian Parliament, probably against the wishes of the actual Members of that Parliament. ( I say probably, because if praying at the opening was against the wishes of, or offensive to the sitting members, THEY, themselves, would have already voted to stop it).

And yet you do not see the hypocrisy of the minority of Christian members demanding that the anachronistic prayer be retained. They are foisting their beliefs onto others just as much as the Greens you so loudly denounce.

As expected, you did not address my question.

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Aussie on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 5:07pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:50pm:
I must be blind.


It is referred to in the Preamble.  So, yes, to take this bit out of the Preamble would require the usual procedure of changing The Constitution.


Quote:
The Preamble to the Australian Constitution affirms that the Federation was brought into being by an act "humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God." There it is, stated in print, in our Constitution. It would of course be interesting to know more about how the Preamble was composed and what those writing it actually thought about this phrase that, in a most important way, qualifies the act of founding the Commonwealth of Australia. But by even stating this much, we have potentially embarrassed those who have called for the abolition of the Lord's Prayer. Why? Because whether the writers of the Constitution meant it or not, the phrase actually implies that prayer to the Almighty is an implicit facet of Australia's political life, and is thus assumed to be a normal part of our system of government. To say it again: "humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God" is itself a prayer.


Preamble Here


You said emphatically that The Lord's Prayer was in Section 116, not the Preamble as you now claim.....and it is very clear that what is in the Preamble is not the Lord's Prayer.



/end



Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 5:25pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 5:07pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:50pm:
I must be blind.


It is referred to in the Preamble.  So, yes, to take this bit out of the Preamble would require the usual procedure of changing The Constitution.


Quote:
The Preamble to the Australian Constitution affirms that the Federation was brought into being by an act "humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God." There it is, stated in print, in our Constitution. It would of course be interesting to know more about how the Preamble was composed and what those writing it actually thought about this phrase that, in a most important way, qualifies the act of founding the Commonwealth of Australia. But by even stating this much, we have potentially embarrassed those who have called for the abolition of the Lord's Prayer. Why? Because whether the writers of the Constitution meant it or not, the phrase actually implies that prayer to the Almighty is an implicit facet of Australia's political life, and is thus assumed to be a normal part of our system of government. To say it again: "humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God" is itself a prayer.


Preamble Here


You said emphatically that The Lord's Prayer was in Section 116, not the Preamble as you now claim.....and it is very clear that what is in the Preamble is not the Lord's Prayer.



/end

Is this person brain dead.  Why can't she just google the Aust Constitution and then READ IT, instead of making all these obviously incorrect claims and looking like the idiot she is?   

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Neferti on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 6:18pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 5:25pm:
Preamble Here

Is this person brain dead.  Why can't she just google the Aust Constitution and then READ IT, instead of making all these obviously incorrect claims and looking like the idiot she is?   


I did read The Constitution. Have you? Click on the words "Preamble Here" and you will find this:


The Australian Constitution

Table of Provisions

View the Constitution as a single document (PDF 92KB)

    An Act to constitute the Commonwealth of Australia [9th July 1900]
    (63 & 64 Victoria - Chapter 12)
    Preamble
    Chapter I. The Parliament (s. 1 to 60)
        Part I - General (s. 1 to 6)
        Part II - The Senate (s. 7 to 23)
        Part III - The House of Representatives (s. 24 to 40)
        Part IV - Both Houses of the Parliament (s. 41 to 50)
        Part V - Powers of the Parliament (s. 51 to 60)
    Chapter II. The Executive Government (s. 61 to 70)
    Chapter III. The Judicature (s. 71 to 80)
    Chapter IV. Finance and Trade (s. 81 to 105A)
    Chapter V. The States (s. 106 to 120)
    Chapter VI. New States (s. 121 to 124)
    Chapter VII. Miscellaneous (s. 125 to 127)
    Chapter VIII. Alteration of the Constitution (s. 128)
    The Schedule

Now, you go and read the bloody thing. OK?


Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 24th, 2014 at 6:25am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:55pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:51pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:35pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.


And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??


What is being proposed is getting rid of the silly religious rituals not the religious ppl.

SOB


And you don't see that it would upset the religious people far more than sitting in parliament, going over paper work while the religiously inclined pray, would upset most atheists or agnostics???

95% of atheists/agnostics don't care if someone else prays, as long as they're not expected to join in.


But they are expected to join in or @ least stand. Also its offensive since church and government are supposed to be separate.

SOB


Are they?? Are you sure about that??


Yup. Even gillard had to stand. Its stupid. You can say officially they dont have to but they do have to.

SOB


Had to, or chose to?
I'm pretty sure there are non-christian members of parliament, have any (like Adam Bandt) been ejected for not standing?


Had to. What would happen if she didnt? Hmmm?

Meanwhile would you stand for the muslim prayer?

SOB

Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Post by Bam on Jan 24th, 2014 at 6:44am

Neferti wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 6:18pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 5:25pm:
Preamble Here

Is this person brain dead.  Why can't she just google the Aust Constitution and then READ IT, instead of making all these obviously incorrect claims and looking like the idiot she is?   


I did read The Constitution. Have you? Click on the words "Preamble Here" and you will find this:


The Australian Constitution

Table of Provisions

View the Constitution as a single document (PDF 92KB)

    An Act to constitute the Commonwealth of Australia [9th July 1900]
    (63 & 64 Victoria - Chapter 12)
    Preamble
    Chapter I. The Parliament (s. 1 to 60)
        Part I - General (s. 1 to 6)
        Part II - The Senate (s. 7 to 23)
        Part III - The House of Representatives (s. 24 to 40)
        Part IV - Both Houses of the Parliament (s. 41 to 50)
        Part V - Powers of the Parliament (s. 51 to 60)
    Chapter II. The Executive Government (s. 61 to 70)
    Chapter III. The Judicature (s. 71 to 80)
    Chapter IV. Finance and Trade (s. 81 to 105A)
    Chapter V. The States (s. 106 to 120)
    Chapter VI. New States (s. 121 to 124)
    Chapter VII. Miscellaneous (s. 125 to 127)
    Chapter VIII. Alteration of the Constitution (s. 128)
    The Schedule

Now, you go and read the bloody thing. OK?

Why were you claiming it was in Section 116 when it is clearly not?

Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
BTW The Lords Prayer is listed in The Constitution (s 116) as I said.


Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:32am:

Quote:
Constitution of Australia - Section 116

The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.


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