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Title: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Greens_Win on Jan 15th, 2014 at 5:49am
The Lord's Prayer in Federal Parliament is an anachronism, according to Greens senator Richard di Natale, who is calling to have the prayer scrapped.
The acting Greens leader announced on Tuesday that when Parliament returns in February, he will move to end the reading of prayers at the start of each sitting day. He will ask the Senate's Procedure Committee to amend the standing orders and look to his Greens colleague Adam Bandt to do the same in the Lower House. "We have a very clear separation between church and state in this country and the fact that we say the Lord's Prayer in the Australian Parliament, it is an anachronism," he told reporters in Canberra. Senator di Natale said that "modern" Australia was made up of people who had different ideas about religion. "We are here to represent everybody. We're here to represent people of all faiths. People who don't have a strong religious faith," he said. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/time-to-scrap-lords-prayer-in-parliament-greens-20140114-30src.html |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:06am
Good idea . . .
SOB |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by pansi1951 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:13am I don't know why they bother, he's obviously not answering their prayers....."deliver us from evil". |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by aquascoot on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:53am
here we go again.
the "compassionate ' greens who do nothing but cry crocodile tears for the poor , sticking the boot into the "christians" who are out running all the soup kitchens, charities, homeless shelters etc etc. breath taking hypocrisy and so much bad karma for our green brethren ;) ;) |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:55am aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:53am:
How exactly is getting rid of a compulsory prayer in a secular institution "sticking the boot in"? And since when does parliament run soup kitchens? SOB |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Stratos on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:04am
Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as in heaven. just not on Manus or Nauru Give us today our daily bread, as we make asylum seekers queue for three hours in the sun for theirs Forgive us our sins as we forcefully imprison those who are within their right to seek asylum Save us from the time of trial and deliver us from public scrutiny. [For if we weren't such hypocrites, we would actually follow the Bible instead of doing whatever the hell we want instead] Amen. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by red baron on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am
Perhaps the Greens might like to start Parliament with everyone kicking back and smoking a joint, that's about their level. ;)
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by aquascoot on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:55am:
You are no friend to the greens. Cats kill 1000's of native animals every year |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am
It's a good Greens idea -
get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Greens_Win on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:07am
Aquacoot
Removing a religious prayer from a secular workplace is not an attack on christianity. If it is then why are you not demanding every workplace to pray at the beginning of all workday shifts. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Greens_Win on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:10am red baron wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
Makes a change from drunk conservatives state mps The New South Wales Premier has given his Finance Minister, Greg Pearce, a stern warning over allegations he had to be sent home from parliament because he was drunk. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-03/nsw-minister-warned-after-27drunk27-parliament-appearance/4728562 |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by miketrees on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:41am
I hate the greens, but i agree on this one
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Phallic Baldwin on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:44am
Wow the greens are really tackling the big issues...
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Greens_Win on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:47am Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:44am:
Yes they are … and multitude issues at the same time. i.e Gladstone leak needs Senate inquiry: Greens http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/gladstone-leak-needs-senate-inquiry-greens-20140114-30s73.html Greens call for tougher gun control laws http://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/2021413/greens-call-for-tougher-gun-control-laws/?cs=87 Greens push for bans on liquor advertising http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/greens-push-for-bans-on-liquor-advertising-20140102-307xs.html etc etc etc |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Swagman on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:48am
It's traditional. There are many anachronistic traditions in the parliament.
It's just a throw back to the very beginings of the English parliamentary democracy that we mirror. Do they want the indigenous folk to also give up their 'dream time'? Go suck on a sauce bottle Greens. >:( |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:50am aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
Awwww - cant answer the question? It doesnt matter who proposed the idea - its a good one. Just agreeing with one thing doesnt make someone a supporter of everything they say/do. SOB |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by aquascoot on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:53am ____ wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:07am:
What it shows is the greens obsession with NON ISSUES. suburban couples (yes thats right greens...the families that make up australia) are concerned about jobs, the economy, law and order, roads, health and education. the greens are the party of NON ISSUES the lords prayer gay marriage assylum seeker air conditioning whales light rail for inner city numpties The UN hand wringing about whether john howard was a war criminal. apologising to aborigines every 30 minutes the list goes on...... you need to come to the footy, the local RSL and a few barbeques and try to understand what matters to REAL australians and it AINT the lords prayer ;) ;) |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by cods on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:07am aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:53am:
the list is endless.. but it there to take our eye s off their complete no idea policies...they dont want anyone to take a real good look at those.. lets not forget they THINK they know whats good for EVERYONE. they believe they ALONE can CURE CLIMATE CHANGE they think anyone AGAINST ABORTION is a SICKO. they love PEOPLE SMUGGLERS.. aint afraid of watching PEOPLE DROWN. want 16 year olds to HAVE THE VOTE. I am surprised he hasnt called for everyone to pray to MECCA 5 times a day.. we know how the crawl to anyone that can vote dont we???? what amazes me. is how many greenies are there everyday when Parliament opens.. ::) ::) ::) personally I dont think it would do any harm to put it back in our schools.. we can see the deterioration in behaviour since the greens came on the scene...encouraging young people to smash and bash their way through life...and chain themselves to coal loaders get their own way... a terrific way to teach people a responsible way to get through life.. >:( >:( >:( |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:11am cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:07am:
No comment on the actual topic then? Just attack "the greens"? SOB |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Stratos on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:12am
Yeah cods, because if greens stand for one thing, its the mining of fossil fuels. :-?
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by cods on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:15am Swagman wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:48am:
PRIORITIES PRIORITIES PRIORITIES ::) ::) ::) ::) when they make a call for no alcohol advertising they believe they are the first ones to come up with that idea.. ::) ::) tougher gun control ;D ;D ;D ' they have forgotten Howards gun buyback..which got sneered at.by lefties. AND THEN THERES GAY MARRIAGE.... which seems to outshine them all. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Greens_Win on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:20am
Hey Cods, mixing medication and alcohol again?
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:32am
Here's why it should be scrapped.
Quote:
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by the wise one on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:36am cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:15am:
Howard gun buy back was not sneered at by the lefties but by the National party members. So get your facts right cods Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:49am
I think it's clear to all and sundry that a The Greens and their supporters to a man dislike the Christian Church.
They go out of their way to criticise it and undermine any tradition related to the Church. I find it all a little nasty they seem to hate the whole institution of the Church. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:53am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:49am:
Hi Andrei, you need to watch this video to understand why: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:55am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:49am:
So, attacking the Greens with unfounded accusations instead of addressing the merits of the argument? Shooting the messenger is not a refutation. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by mozzaok on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:01am
I absolutely agree with the Greens Senator on this issue, the principle of the separation between church and state, is fundamental to the democratic process.
Personally speaking, I find the use of any religious pageantry in parliament, highly offensive. The absolute belief, of some theists, that they have the right to perform public religious ceremonies in parliament, is breathtakingly arrogant. It is time for all religious nonsense to be held totally separate from all matters of state. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:08am aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:53am:
if it was an non issue, why would you object so much????? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:10am
good idea, get rid of it ....
next thing you'll know we'll have an islamic MP who will cry out for equality and want to recite the Koran before parliament starts as well ... byt the time everyone gets through their prayers, the MP's are clocking up overtime. :D :D |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am
The Greens are a bunch of inner-city trendy Fu ckwits and as far as I am concerned they can all go jump off a cliff. They think that they are actually more important than they are and this will never happen. The Greens are against anything Christian and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by FriYAY on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:14am
Get rid of it, keep it, don't care.
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:14am aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:53am:
Amen to that. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Stratos on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:17am matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
That was a real nice pretence of faith you had going for awhile there Matty. No true Christian would ever wish anyone or anything to rot in hell. Or kill themselves or use foul language for that matter |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by woody2013 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:18am matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:14am:
>:( >:( >:( WHY DO JOHHNY COME LATELY'S ALWAY'S WANT TO bugger WITH THINGS |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
'let he who is without sin cast the first stone' 'judge thee not lest thee be judged' sound familiar Matty ... or are you only a good Christian when it suits you??? Hypocrite |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by mozzaok on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:10am:
lol. I have to wonder if those who would want to retain the current status quo, would be supportive of adding more prayers, from other faiths, or not??? My guess is, NOT!!! |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22am
Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name; Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespassers, as we forgive those who trespass against us; and let us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:23am mozzaok wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am:
it's only fair ... then we can do the Jewish prayer, the buddhist prayer, the jehovas, the star treck prayer (I read somewhere it was recognised as a religion) etc etc .... take a month just to get through them all |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:24am matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22am:
have you ever taken the time to figure out what it's actually saying Matty? ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Stratos on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:26am matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Apparently according to you his will involves swearing encouraging suicide and eternal damnation. Can't even go two posts without contradicting himself Mr speaker! |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:27am Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:17am:
Admittedly it may sound harsh but I am not perfect. Only God is perfect. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Grendel on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:27am
Just goes to show how idiotic Greens are...
The Lord's Prayer is a fairly generic prayer, it does not identify any particular deity and even Muslims who venerate Jesus as a holy man and not the Son of God, would accept it. (After all it is an Abrahamic religion and they share the "same" God) I can't think of any religion that would particularly have a problem with it. So what is this moron Green on about? We are nominally a Christian country and governed by laws which for a large part take their basis from that religion and moral code. Perhaps The Greens just hate religions? Perhaps their members and representative are just thick. As was taught to me... Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen. nothing offensive in that... ::) |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am:
I am not perfect and don't claim to be. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:23am:
Thats star wars. Star trek is something completely different. SOB |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:18am:
Sorry? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by woody2013 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:31am matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:
Daily Proceedings Each of the three events in the Daily Proceedings—Prayers, Statements by Members and Oral Questions—is covered separately in the Standing Orders. * Prayers Prior to the doors of the Chamber being opened to the public at the beginning of each sitting of the House, the Speaker takes the Chair and proceeds to read the prayer, after it has been determined that a quorum of 20 Members including the Chair Occupant is present, and before any business is considered.[4] While the prayer is being read, the Speaker, the Members and the Table Officers all stand. The prayer is by custom read partly in French and partly in English. When the prayer is finished, the House pauses for a moment of silence for private thought and reflection. At the end of the moment of silence, the Speaker orders the doors opened. At this point, television coverage of the proceedings commences and the public may enter the galleries.[5] Historical Perspective Although the practice of reading a prayer at the start of each sitting was not codified in the Standing Orders until 1927,[6] it has been part of the daily proceedings of the House since 1877. At that time, the House charged a committee to consider the desirability of using a form of prayer in the Chamber.[7] In its report, the committee recommended that the proceedings of the House should be opened each day with the reading of a prayer, and included therein a suggested form of prayer.[8] In a discussion that immediately followed the concurrence in the committee report, it was determined that the prayer would be read prior to the doors of the House being opened, as was the practice of the Senate of Canada and the British House of Commons.[9] Much later, suggestions were made to rewrite or reword the prayer in a non‑sectarian form and to have the prayer read by a chaplain instead of the Speaker.[10] Recommendations have also been made to change the way the House takes up the prayer. Over the years, many Members have expressed the view that the public should be admitted before the prayer is read.[11] In 1976, the House adopted a motion recommending that the Standing Orders be changed in order to allow the public to enter the galleries before the prayer was read. However, the motion was worded as a recommendation, not as an Order, and provided no instruction for implementing the change. For that reason, the Speaker indicated that the practice of reciting the prayer prior to the admission of the public would continue until the Standing Committee on Procedure and Organization considered the matter and reported to the House; however, no further action was taken on this matter.[12] There have been, nonetheless, rare instances when the public has heard the prayer.[13] Until 1994, no major change to the form of the prayer[14] was made aside from references to royalty.[15] At that time, the House concurred in a report recommending a new form of prayer more reflective of the different religions embraced by Canadians.[16] This prayer was read for the first time when the House met to open its proceedings on February 21, 1994:[17] Almighty God, we give thanks for the great blessings which have been bestowed on Canada and its citizens, including the gifts of freedom, opportunity and peace that we enjoy. We pray for our Sovereign, Queen Elizabeth, and the Governor General. Guide us in our deliberations as Members of Parliament, and strengthen us in our awareness of our duties and responsibilities as Members. Grant us wisdom, knowledge, and understanding to preserve the blessings of this country for the benefit of all and to make good laws and wise decisions. Amen. There has been no explicit pronouncement on when French and English are to be used in reading the prayer. When the reading of the prayer was first sanctioned in 1877, it was agreed that the prayer would be read in the language most familiar to the Speaker.[18] Two years later, Speaker Blanchet, the Commons’ first bilingual Speaker, inaugurated the practice of reading the prayer in French and English on alternate days.[19] From then until the 1970s, many Speakers, depending on |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Swagman on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:31am
It's not going to happen with just the one lonely solitary Green in the House though is it? ;D
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:31am John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:24am:
Of course I know what it is saying, and I have already said that I am not perfect. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Stratos on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:33am
There's a big difference between not being perfect and contradicting your own belief system three times in a single sentence.
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by skippy. on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:33am
LOL the same old loony fringe defending this fairy tale known as Christianity, too funny. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:34am Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:26am:
No it won't. Just a little angry overreaction to the inner-city trendy lefty know-all self-righteous hypocrites again wanting to undermine the christian values on which this country was founded. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:35am ____ wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 5:49am:
Good idea. There's absolutely no legitimate reason for any (sane) person to object to this proposal. It'll happen. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Stratos on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:36am matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:34am:
Values like encouraging suicide? Can I pass you a shovel Matty? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:36am woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:31am:
Oh okay, thanks. The Greens don't seem to understand that they are just not popular with the electorate at large, they seem to think that they are more popular than they actually are. They rceived just 8% of the vote. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Stratos on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am
Also ;D at you calling people hypocrites
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:38am skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:33am:
The only loony fringe here are the Greens and their 8% of supporters. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:39am
Get over it, it was an overreaction as stated. God is the only perfect one. God is love. God is love, He is always there for us and always will be.
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by skippy. on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:40am matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:38am:
See what I mean? They never let me down. ;D ;D :D |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:41am matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:
and you think that excuses your rank hypocrisy? Go to church on Sunday, say a prayer and you are excused for being a d1ck Mon to Sat?? only to do it all over again week after week? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:42am Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:53am:
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am:
i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:46am skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:40am:
The loony fringe refers to extremists, on both the left and right wing. You are far left, I am not far left or far right therefore you are on the loony fringe, not me. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:41am:
No, that is not true. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by woody2013 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:43am:
I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church?? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:49am matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
There's that christian attitude we all know and love. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:
Not me ... |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by skippy. on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:
I have been married fifteen years and it was not in a church. Im not a hypocrite. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by woody2013 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:52am skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:50am:
I didn't say you were a hypocrite ;) |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:53am matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22am:
It's "trespasses". ::) |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Swagman on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:03am
The Greens can say their own prayer to their cult of eco-socialism
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:03am matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:
bullsh1t ... it's the same story all the time, the more religious they claim to be, the bigger the arsehole they tend to be |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:04am aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:53am:
red baron wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:49am:
matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
Your logical fallacy is ad hominem Quote:
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:04am woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:52am:
you implied that those that are for removing the prayer from parliament are hypocrites .... kind of backfired on you didn't it ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:06am Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:53am:
I wrote that from head on my I pad, a typo was more or less inevitanle. I am surprised that it was just one. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:08am John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:04am:
They are hypocrites though. They bleat on about caring for the poor and do nothing, they think that voting for the Greens is good enough, whilst the rally compassionate people actually get out there and do charity work for the less fortunate. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:10am matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:06am:
no need to be, that now makes two ..... ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:12am matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:08am:
how would you know what they do for the poor? The pope bleats about caring for the poor, yet has over $700B in assets just sitting their growing in value .. you said something about hypocrisy? You also assume that all charity workers are religious .... WRONG, moron |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by woody2013 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:17am John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:04am:
I didn't Imply anything.. Just asked a question D/F ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:22am woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:17am:
bullsh1t ... just asked a random question for no reason? you were fishing and got bitten . Man up you girl. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:31am
Meanwhile the lords prayer has no place in a secular parliament . . . .
SOB |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:40am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:31am:
Correct. It will go, eventually. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by aquascoot on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:44am John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:12am:
Statisticly christians in america are 5 X more likely to do unpaid charity work then non christians. surprisingly the evangelicals are at the lower level of representation and the catholics are the most likely to do charity work. good old fashioned catholic guilt, maybe, but you cant fight the fact that christians are more charitable to the poor than secular society ;) |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:47am aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:44am:
I don't give a f#ck about america ... whats the matter, the Australian stats prove you wrong? ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by aquascoot on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:51am
i dont have stats for australia but will try to get some.
i suspect they will be quite embarrassing for secular society |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:53am aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:44am:
People who call themselves christians. matty calls himself a christian and he's one of the most un-christian hypocrites on this forum. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:53am aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:51am:
The US is a lot more religious than Australia ... thats why I doubt their stats apply |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:08pm matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:06am:
It's a common kind of mistake with the Australian accent. It is one of few accents that pronounce both words the same. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:11pm John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:12am:
The current Pope has been in the role for less than a year and the Catholic church is not known for moving quickly to address issues. I would give him more time. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:56pm Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
you could give him 20 lifetimes, nothing will change. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Grendel on Jan 15th, 2014 at 1:01pm Grendel wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:27am:
BTW Bam, trespassers and trespasses don't sound the same. There is a slight difference even in Australian English. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by NBNMyths on Jan 15th, 2014 at 1:55pm cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:07am:
While not a huge fan of the greens, presenting a post comprised almost entirely of strawman points is hardly an effective argument... Quote:
Actually, I think you'll find they say that it's everyone's responsibility. Quote:
I think you'll find they think it should be a personal choice, and not up to the Government..... I thought you conservatives were opposed to the Govt interfering in your personal affairs? Quote:
Feeling compassion for refugees is not the same as loving people smugglers, any more than supporting soldiers means you love war. Quote:
Pretty sure you're just making that one up.... Quote:
If "crawling to anyone that can vote" is the objective, then surely it makes more sense to pander to the ~55% of Australians who identify as being Christian, rather than the 2.5% who are muslim? Could it be that they just expect there to be no connection between religion and state, as it should be? Why, in a country where religion is constantly declining, should one particular religion be represented by a prayer? What level does Christianity have to decline to before the prayer should go? Quote:
This is the sole point you actually got right. Congratulations. I'm skeptical as to whether it would be a good idea, but their argument that "16year-olds can leave home, work full-time (and so pay tax), so why can't they vote" is a decent one. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by NBNMyths on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:05pm woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:18am:
Without it, we'd still be burning non-believers at the stake and chopping off people's hands for stealing a loaf of bread. Divorce would be illegal, as would the education of women. It's called progress, and its highly likely you were part of the process. The 'things' you're happy with now were probably considered radical 100 years ago. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by NBNMyths on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:12pm woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:48am:
Marriage predates the Church. It's not an exclusively religious process. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:35pm
But why continue with this religious archaeology when we all know it's bullshit?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by thelastnail on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:42pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:35pm:
because it appeals to peoples sense of greed in wanting to be rewarded after they die with an eternal after life in paradise. It's the ultimate grand prize but unfortunately there are no shortage of scammers willing to offer tickets for a nominal weekly fee down at your local church parish with no money backed guarantee of course ;) |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by woody2013 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:44pm NBNMyths wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:05pm:
WE never burnt people at the stake here WE never cut of peoples hand here MY GGG Grand mother went to school in AUSTRALIA So you know DIDDLY SQUAT ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by life_goes_on on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:44pm
It does seem rather anachronistic that they still say the Lord's Prayer. It's the 21st Century and those who govern us are praying to a sky spook for protection and guidance.
At least they could be a bit more imaginative and productive about it and pray for an end to the boat arrivals, lower unemployment, nice temperate weather, free petrol, a bit of enemy smiting etc |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:46pm
Nail,
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True Nail, You'd think in this day & age that we could leave primitive bronze age mythology out of politics? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by life_goes_on on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:50pm woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:44pm:
When my mother went to school, the Australian flag they flew there had a red background, not blue. When I was at school, God Save The Queen was the national anthem. Change... it happens.... |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 15th, 2014 at 3:33pm
Pinched this from the Sunshine Coast Daily website. I liked it.
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And......yeas.....I'd bugger the Lord's Prayer off and out of Parliament. It is just mumbled voodoo of no value. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:31pm John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:56pm:
When he was Archbishop, he sold the Archbishop's extravagant residence and lived in simpler accommodation. He does his own cooking. He has spoken out on poverty issues more than once. You may be right. Perhaps nothing will change. We should wait and see whether there is change. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:19pm
So you don't think the Greens dislike the Church and fundamentally oppose it and it's involvement in society at every turn?
That plays no role in their - yet again - opposition to a Christian message. The Greens hate the Church. That much is clear. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by miketrees on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:55pm
I agree with the greens on this, I bet part of the motivation is retaliation for the anti gay stance by some so called Christians.
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Dnarever on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:00pm
Don't really care much but I would say keep the prayer it does no harm and the grubs in that place need all the help they can get.
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:04pm matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:
So what exactly are you trying to say. After all there's a big difference between "I'm not perfect" and "I'm a really rotten kind of person to be calling myself a christian". So you wanna narrow down your self assessment a bit and remember you did say you didn't care less if the greens and their supporters all killed themselves and went to hell. Matty, I really don't think you have to worry about christianity dying. I mean, if someone like you (esp someone so young), with your total contempt for your fellow man can parade themselves as a christian you can be sure that christianity is already dead. All that's left is to bury it. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:05pm matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:
So what exactly are you trying to say. After all there's a big difference between "I'm not perfect" and "I'm a really rotten kind of person to be calling myself a christian". So you wanna narrow down your self assessment a bit and remember you did say you didn't care less if the greens and their supporters all killed themselves and went to hell. Matty, I really don't think you have to worry about christianity dying. I mean, if someone like you (esp someone so young), with your total contempt for your fellow man can parade themselves as a christian you can be sure that christianity is already dead. All that's left is to bury it. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:09pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:19pm:
Who cares if they do, Andrei. The point is why open the day with mumbles about a prayer? Do you do that in your household every day at breakfast. Damn sure it does not happen in mine! |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:57pm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:58pm Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:31pm:
you're kidding right? If he tried to sell the churchs assets on a grand scale, the others in the churchs heirarchy would make sure he met with an accident sooner rather than later ..... |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by skippy. on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:01pm matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:46am:
I'm not far left, more like centre left, it's just that you're so far loony fringe you think I'm far left wing. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22pm Aussie wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:09pm:
We say a Lord Prayer on special occasions Aussie. We try to hold Christian values in our house - no matter where we've been living. I do hold the point though the Greens and their supporters hold an inexplicable hatred of the Church and it's tradition. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:29pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22pm:
I don't care what the Greens say. This is me saying....."bugger it off.....it is mumbled rubbish." Why keep it? It is rubbish. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:36pm
Tradition?
Values? Nodding our head to our Christian roots as a country? I say keep it. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:40pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:36pm:
I know that. If it did not happen, just like me, you would not care less. Waste of time. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 16th, 2014 at 4:38am
Why is it there is no actual discussion of the pros and cons of the silly prayer but instead theres heaps of ad-hominem? Do the xtians know they are in the wrong here?
SOB |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Greens_Win on Jan 16th, 2014 at 5:19am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:19pm:
Thats not clear … unless you would like to supply what facts you have to back up your opinion. Or is your opinion factless? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Herbert on Jan 16th, 2014 at 6:27am aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
You forgot to add that cats kill 1,000,000's of introduced species each year that take up the nesting space of native birds, and that eat the food that the natives eat. :P And if it wasn't for feral cats, Australia would be 6 foot under a seething layer of Cane Toads ... 8-) |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:43am John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:58pm:
I never said that he would sell assets generally. It's more likely that he will bring more attention of Catholics onto poverty than has been the case in the past. It is within the teachings of Christianity. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:53am Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 6:27am:
Feral cats don't go around selecting their prey on the basis of whether they are introduced or not. Quote:
Do you really think that feral cats can eat cane toads without harm and choose them over other prey? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 16th, 2014 at 8:01am Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:53am:
Actually they choose the easiest prey and their preferred prey is rats and mice. Just look @ the rat plague in dalby ever since the military went in there and killed the feral kats. SOB |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by woody2013 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 8:29am Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 6:27am:
You forgot to add that cats kill 1,000,000's of introduced species each year that take up the nesting space of native birds, and that eat the food that the natives eat. :P And if it wasn't for feral cats, Australia would be 6 foot under a seething layer of Cane Toads ... 8-)[/quHow to Treat a Cat With Toad Poisoning By Sheldon Rubin Comments ©2006 Publications International, Ltd. Step 2 Nature provides all life with some means of protection. With certain toads it is the saliva, which is thought to contain a potent toxin. The poison contained in a toad's saliva is so strong that once it comes in contact with the mouth or eyes of the cat, it causes severe symptoms within minutes. Toad poisoning affects the heart and nervous system to such a degree that death can occur within 30 minutes if the cat is not treated. Some warning signs that indicate your cat has experienced toad poisoning include excessive drooling, a shaking head, trembling and shaking body, lack of coordination, difficulty breathing, convulsions, and coma. Signs may develop around the mouth or eyes of the cat immediately after contact with the toad (Bufo species). You should also watch for signs of shock, which include pale or white cat gums as well as rapid heartbeat and breathing. If your cat has toad poisoning, use the following cat care tips: Step 1: Approach the cat carefully. If your cat is nervous or anxious, restrain the cat if necessary. Step 2: Flush the cat's mouth thoroughly with water, being careful not ote] ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by woody2013 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 8:31am Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 6:27am:
;D ;D ;D ;D ;DHow to Treat a Cat With Toad Poisoning By Sheldon Rubin Comments ©2006 Publications International, Ltd. Step 2 Nature provides all life with some means of protection. With certain toads it is the saliva, which is thought to contain a potent toxin. The poison contained in a toad's saliva is so strong that once it comes in contact with the mouth or eyes of the cat, it causes severe symptoms within minutes. Toad poisoning affects the heart and nervous system to such a degree that death can occur within 30 minutes if the cat is not treated. Some warning signs that indicate your cat has experienced toad poisoning include excessive drooling, a shaking head, trembling and shaking body, lack of coordination, difficulty breathing, convulsions, and coma. Signs may develop around the mouth or eyes of the cat immediately after contact with the toad (Bufo species). You should also watch for signs of shock, which include pale or white cat gums as well as rapid heartbeat and breathing. If your cat has toad poisoning, use the following cat care tips: Step 1: Approach the cat carefully. If your cat is nervous or anxious, restrain the cat if necessary. Step 2: Flush the cat's mouth thoroughly with water, being careful not |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by NBNMyths on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:42am woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:44pm:
You want Australian examples? - Federation? - Giving women and Aboriginals the vote? - Paying fair wages to aboriginal workers (thus ending effective slavery)? e.g.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gurindji_Strike - Changing from "God save the King/Queen" to "Advance Australia Fair"? - Changing from the Union jack to the Australian flag? Do you oppose any of these "progressive" measures today, which were often opposed by the conservatives of the era? Yep, why "bugger with things". Let's go back to the Australia of 1800. ::) |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:45am Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:43am:
so he's going to try and milk more money out of his parishoners, using the poor as his excuse? My comment was about the church accumulating over $700 Billion in assets, that amount could wipe out poverty world wide. All the church seems to do is accumulate wealth rather than tend to the poor. Sure, they make a few token gesutres, send some priests out to some areas, but they send them out with nil or very little aid, no access to the church's money, and they then use that attempt to create a 'cause' to get people to donate more money. There are individuals in the church that care, and really do give their all, but the organisation as a whole, is just like every other organisation world wide ... they put Profits First. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:46am Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 6:27am:
cats kill other cats????? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:48am NBNMyths wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:42am:
Some of those things were hardly steps forward. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by NBNMyths on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:01am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:48am:
Seriously? Would you care to elaborate? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:02am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:48am:
which do you disagree with? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:11am
No, I would not care to elaborate for risk of derailing the thread off topic.
But I don't think some of those were a positive step forward in my personal opinion. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Stratos on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:24am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:11am:
Yeah, as bad as God save the [insert royal here] is, Advance Australia Fair is the worst anthem in the world. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by mozzaok on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:14am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22pm:
Inexplicable???? Let me explic it for ya then. As a fellow traveller on the road of detesting organised religion, the reasons people share this view are multitude. First, foremost, and above all else, they all promote brain dead flippin ridiculous beliefs. They brainwash little kids. ( I really hate that) They all expect that whole communities model their behaviours and actions upon their personal beliefs, and the silly rules that come with them. And those are their best points. If you want spiritual fulfillment, do yoga, or interact with good old mother nature. The big bonus is you will have been doing something real. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by GeorgeH on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:17am
Nine pages on a Green brainfart of no relevance to anyone?
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Neferti on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:19am St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:17am:
SOME migrants haven't a clue! |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Greens_Win on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:33am St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:17am:
Seperating religion and the state in a secular country does have relevance to thinking people. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:45am John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:45am:
I believe that Pope Francis may bring some change, if the hierarchy of the Catholic Church will permit it. As I said previously, we should wait and see what happens. I do not expect the Church to divest itself of these assets any time soon, but I do expect that there will be some improvements to the relief of poverty driven by the Pope. Will they make a material difference? I do not know. But the Pope has made some remarks on poverty that go farther than any Pope I have seen. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Neferti on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am
Do some research Green/George.
The Lords Prayer is recorded as part of The Constitution, I think. It would need a Referendum to get rid of it. NOTHING you leftards can say will change The Constitution about RELIGION in Australia. You are all FREE to practise whatever "god" you care about. Nobody else cares. In the END you will ALL DIE and disappear off Forums. :o |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:14pm Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
what good christian values ou have ........ :D :D :D |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Neferti on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:29pm John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:14pm:
I am NOT a christian. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by woody2013 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:33pm Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:29pm:
Ain't going to make any difference .. ASHE'S TO ASHE'S ;D |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:34pm Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:29pm:
you should join them, you'd fit right in ..... |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:35pm Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:45am:
One can only hope, not that I'm holding my breath ... |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jan 16th, 2014 at 1:21pm
The Greens can get stuffed.
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Herbert on Jan 16th, 2014 at 3:23pm Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:53am:
No. They go around killing whatever is most prevalent and abundant in the bush ~ which is introduced species. Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:53am:
If it wasn't for feral cats there would be outbreaks of mice plague in biblical proportions. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Herbert on Jan 16th, 2014 at 3:26pm Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:29pm:
Okay. I'll bite. What ARE you ~ a High Priestess of Witches coven or wot? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 5:19pm Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
It ain't. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by NBNMyths on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:02pm Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Oh the irony. Demanding others "do some research", then posting absolute rubbish. Religion is mentioned in the constitution all right. It is mentioned once: Section 116: The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca430/s116.html Sounds to me as though the reading of the Lords Prayer (ie: a religious observance) violates the constitution, if there is currently a law or regulation requiring it to occur. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:12pm Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
No. It's not. It is unconstitutional for the Federal Parliament to make any law that imposes any religious observance. Section 116. Look it up. I've also posted it here. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:20pm NBNMyths wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:02pm:
It is in the 'standing orders'.................and your point is right on the money. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:22pm Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Who on earth told you that? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:26pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:22pm:
Not 'who, Mr Peccarry....more like 'what'.......the bottom of a wine bottle. It got worse of course with this ~ even after she at least mentioned 'think.' Quote:
Silly person. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm
*flip...bugger ya!*
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:28pm
The average person is sick of religion -
there are too many examples of religious hypocrites: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeFnFtRx7Ow |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Setanta on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:52pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:28pm:
Those kids got off easy! 2 Kings 2:23 ;D "23 Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number." |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 8:12pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:28pm:
Well.....I'd have belted the shite out of the smart arse, lippy trespassing illegals. You trespass.....and you are told to go...............you pharking go! Zero to do with religion. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:02pm Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 8:12pm:
Hear ye hear ye - Aussie supports the foul mouthed priest in this video clip. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:16pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:02pm:
Yep.....I certainly do, and I reckon any Pope with balls would do and say exactly the same to those trespassing smart arse twerps. If that were me...............I would have removed heads from shoulders. Little punks deserve to be treated like little punks. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by The Grappler 2014 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:29pm
Our father - who ain't no Greenie
Hollowed out be thy National Parks Our mining come, Oil spill be done In earth as it is in ocean Give us this day our daily thread And lead us not into obfuscation For thine is the coal mine The power station and the Storey Bridge For revenue and revenue, Amen! |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:33pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:29pm:
Not bad..............and far better than I could do. Dunno how the Storey Bridge got involved? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by The Grappler 2014 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:38pm
struggling to find something to suit 'glory'
....oh well... |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:40pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:38pm:
Glory to Storey - quite good really. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:42pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:38pm:
grubby story? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:47pm Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:16pm:
Trespassing? That's a matter for debate when most of their European land was gained by burning witches & TAKING their land. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:48pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:28pm:
The very average person's actually. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:50pm
Yes...they were trespassing from the moment he first requested that they leave.
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:51pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:52pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:00pm Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:50pm:
Requested in a very polite way. ;D |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by thelastnail on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:20pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:02pm:
Notice how the apologists always ignore the foul mouthed pedophile priest :( |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Peter Freedman on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:42pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:49am:
Which church? The Dutch Reform Church which dreamed up apartheid? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:15pm Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
You can't ignore Torquemada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSNwGvbbH2c Some souls have turned so far from God that pain is the only way to call them back. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:31am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:11am:
The topic is the lords prayer in parliament . . . SOB |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Neferti on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:57am |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Dnarever on Jan 17th, 2014 at 6:00am
For penance I would assign them 10,000 hail Mary's and 100,000 our fathers.
Just to prevent them from damaging Australia further for a while. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by NBNMyths on Jan 17th, 2014 at 8:55am Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:57am:
What's your point? Clearly the constitution does not contain the Lords Prayer, as you claimed it did. The text in your link doesn't at all support your position. Perhaps you should have read it before posting. ;D The High Court has not ruled on the legality of the prayer being read at the start of parliament. From your link: "The ‘religious observance’ clause would be the most appropriate basis for a hypothetical claim of unconstitutionality against parliamentary prayers. The difficulty is that the High Court has never interpreted the clause….. Parliamentary prayers may well be constitutional but they should not be. In fact, the Commonwealth, as a democratic polity, should not sponsor any religion. Any such sponsorship offends against the accustomed community rights of a majority of Australians who believe that the Constitution protects the right to freedom of thought and conscience just like it protects other civil and political freedoms." |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bludger on Jan 17th, 2014 at 10:10am
Which god are they praying to here?
The christian one who lets his priests rape children? The muslim one who lets them send children in front of soldiers to trip any land mines? The old testament one who think jews are a special race of humans and encourages abraham to slaughter his son? No god of these people will ever be a god of mine! Made us in his image did he? That says it all! >:( |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 17th, 2014 at 11:29am bludger wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 10:10am:
Bravo [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Generation X on Jan 17th, 2014 at 12:16pm ____ wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 5:49am:
A typical greens motion....................does nothing for the Australian people. Another bogas motion by the green party to justify their political assistance. Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!haven't we had enough of these dick heads doing sweet FA with our tax dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need to get rid of this bogas greens party once and for all!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:07pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 6:00am:
Some souls have turned so far from God that pain is the only way to call them back. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:08pm You can't ignore Torquemada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSNwGvbbH2c |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:09pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:09pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:47pm John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:03am:
That is the exception, not the rule. And in response to your other comments, I know for a fact that a lot of chardonnay socialists who vote Labor and the Greens (especially the latter) do no charity work whatsoever, and claim to be holier than thou. Think Adam Band and Sarah hanson young, for example, both of whom are clearly from middle class backgrounds. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:49pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:40am:
Says whom? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:55pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:04pm:
As I said, I overreacted and I didn't even mean it literally anyway. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:00pm skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:01pm:
You suppory the Greens, though, a far left party. Granted you are not at the very eztreme, but you're beyond centre left. I am beyond centre right, yes, I admit, but less than far right. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:04pm
We don't want a return to the days of the Inquisition -
let's get rid of all religious nonsense. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:17pm matty wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:47pm:
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:18pm matty wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:55pm:
typical 'christian' attitude ... 'opps, sorry, i overreacted, i didn't mean it ..... forgive me father' ... only to do it again next week. :D :D :D |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Neferti on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:23pm Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm:
Aussie almost angry! |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Neferti on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:24pm Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm:
Getting irritated now! |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Neferti on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:25pm Aussie wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm:
Talk about a short fuse! What a jerk! Please NOTE the time of the 3 posts! ;D |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:30pm Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:25pm:
haven't you got an appointment for botox shots? those wrinkles won't go away by themselves you know! |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Neferti on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:39pm John Smith wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:30pm:
I would suggest that it is you who needs "enhancement". I quite like my (limited) facial expressions but your small appendage will never grow without assistance, so you are stuck with a small dick. So sad! |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:44pm Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:39pm:
;D ;D ;D ;D hit a nerve did I? ;D ;D ;D ;D by the way, the only time I will worry about what you say about my d1ck will be the day your lips are wrapped around it ... until then, knock yourself out ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:44pm Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:25pm:
Your level of understand about the page flipping issue is matched only by the quality of your insistence that the Lord's Prayer is a Constitutional imperative. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:46pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Dnarever on Jan 17th, 2014 at 3:15pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:07pm:
I say execute them and let God sort it out. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by matty on Jan 17th, 2014 at 4:45pm John Smith wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:17pm:
1. So in other word, it's all about you and your experiences? 2. No, I am not like that at all. 3. I hardly ever mention them, actually. I am just making the point that people like this (ie middle-class and upper-class lefties) are complete and utter hypocrites. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:27pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 3:15pm:
The Inquisition is back - no longer a secular state. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSNwGvbbH2c |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by adelcrow on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:35pm matty wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 4:45pm:
I totally agree...everyone middle class and above should be far right loonies. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Neferti on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:40pm Aussie wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:44pm:
Before hitting the post message key, hit the preview key and read and re-read what you have said to make certain you have not left any words out, or made idiotic spelling errors. You are the person who had to hire a computer guru to show you how to make a SCREENSHOT. Dipstick. ;D So don't tell me about my computer experience or knowledge. You are definitely the dickhead in that regard. BTW The Lords Prayer is listed in The Constitution (s 116) as I said. Any change to The Constitution requires a Referendum. Your argument is pure nitpicking. Typical of a cabbie. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:50pm |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 17th, 2014 at 6:19pm Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
You're lying. Why? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 7:23pm
Why should there be any religious nonsense in parliament?
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 17th, 2014 at 8:00pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 7:23pm:
Especially just one bit of nonsense from just one particular religion. Those MPs could not care less about it. They mumble it....as would anyone...............they have zero regard for its terms, and then get on with breaching its terms. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 8:07pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 8:07pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 8:08pm Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 17th, 2014 at 8:25pm matty wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 4:45pm:
of course I comment about me and my experiences ... only you would try to comment on someone else's experience and call it 'fact' ... after all, you did say you know for a fact ... how so?Did Pickering tell you? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by John Smith on Jan 17th, 2014 at 8:27pm Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
and your argument is pure fantasy ... typical of someone who's had their brain fried from sitting in a sunbed all the time :D :D :D |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 17th, 2014 at 8:27pm Quote:
That's not true. It is more of a ~ *look at me.....I'm clevah and a know all, even though, whenever I post I prove how phaarking stupid and ignorant I really am* ~ problem. She posts on the premise that because she has.......by that very fact.................it is not only correct, but relevant to the discussion. In both cases, she is deluding herself. I'll leave it at that, except to add that I would really appreciate it if she stopped stalking me (with her insane, inane gibber) whenever I post. Section 116, Neferti. Post your special version of it here (with a credible link) so we can all see where the "Lord's Prayer" is mentioned. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 17th, 2014 at 10:25pm
Religion teaches you how to act:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeFnFtRx7Ow |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:22am
Ban all religion in schools & parliament.
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:58am Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:22am:
bobby, Whether or not religion is formalised, we human beings are all 'religious' creatures. What i mean, is that YOUR religion, is the way that you conduct your life. And that is true, of each and every one of us, imo. [....even of atheists.] But hey, lets ban all religions. Because merit does not reside in religion. Merit and virtue do not reside anywhere, especially not in the hearts of men!!!! And men created religion, so all religion, should be destroyed. Of course!!! Instead of order, lets have more anarchy [human lawlessness] instead!!!! :o I pity you, bobby. I pity you, for your fate. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Setanta on Jan 18th, 2014 at 1:22am Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:58am:
You cannot say a persons philosophy of life is a religion in the same way Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc are religions. One is a personal view on the world, tudder is handed to you to believe or be forever tormented in hell by a supreme being. One people kill over, the other is a personal philosophy of how they should live. One is internal, the other external. Why do you pity Bobby? You must also pity me but we don't need it, in fact we both(probably) pity you, you can't even decide right and wrong without being told, it would seem, why else subscribe to an external religion? How often do we hear "so you can go and rape, murder and do anything you like because there is no-one to tell you how to behave" from the religious? You have no moral compass.." Well some people don't need to be told what is right and those that need the threat of damnation to behave are by default hideous people that cannot function ethically without that threat.. No wonder most conservatives seem to be religious. I suppose we should be thankful you do have that religion to moderate your hateful minds, so in that sense I suppose some people do need it. It's a bit sad though and that's why I have pity for you. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Stratos on Jan 18th, 2014 at 7:21am
Funny how quick you are to defend religious freedom when there isn't a Koran in sight Yadda
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:41am Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:58am:
What fate - to live as a free man with my own thoughts? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:28am Setanta wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 1:22am:
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Setanta, Your suggestion is, that we teach our children that they can choose for themselves what is right and wrong ? :o Well, that is fine. So long as SOMEONE will be responsible for the real world consequences of their choices. Are you volunteering, for that burden ??? Moving on.... And perhaps you suggesting that 1/ growing up in our society or, 2/ 'an education', can instil a moral compass inside us and our children ? Well, i think that it is very evident that [young] men and women are NOT being taught self restraint, by our society. [self restraint, being the basis of an ability to live in peace with others, imo] The evidence of 'our' common behaviour in our society ['today'], is that we have been teaching our children 1/ how to practice lawlessness, and 2/ how to shirk all responsibility for the consequences of their own poor choices. And imo, that is a 'recipe' for [societal] disaster. 'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0 Quote:
+++ Regarding the Lord's Prayer being used at the opening of our Parliament; Personal prayer [and reading the bible], invokes [i.e. invites!] the spirit of God within us. And that is a good thing. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:33am Quote:
Why don't they read this bit of the Bible? Like Deut 13 13 Quote:
The Bible is cherry picked for nice verses. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:34am
bobby,
Yes, i know. Too long. I'm still working on that one liner, for you. 8-) |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:37am Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
Not in the Australian Constitution, it isn't. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Stratos on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:39am Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:33am:
Should just start with the 10 commandments. Then hopefully all the Christians will realise they are all bearing false witness and stop lying. Or you know, continue to be massive hypocrites, either way. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:42am Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:33am:
The Bible is cherry picked for nice verses. [/quote] bobby!!!!! What are you doing, reading my posts!! They are far too long for you!!!! bobby, Regards the content of your post. You are in error. Matthew 22:29 ......Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures..... What is your error ??? You do not want to know. If you do want to know, then i suggest that you begin at Genesis Ch1 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. ....or go to hell, bobby. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:43am
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:43am
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:44am Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:34am:
Don't avoid the question - why not read Deut 13 13? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:44am
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:47am Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:44am:
I am not avoiding the Q, bobby. Quote:
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Stratos on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:49am Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:47am:
Lol yes, let's start with an affirmation of creation. That will bring us into the modern age. Also, what kind of Christian tells someone to "go to hell"? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:49am Quote:
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Question avoided by bible bashing Yadda. forgiven namaste |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:07am Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:49am:
Question avoided by bible bashing Yadda. [/quote] bobby lacks understanding. bobby wants to understand, .....something. But bobby refuses to go to the 'source' of knowledge, which would create an understanding in his mind. Instead, bobby 'thrashes around', wailing, and complaining, that he just doesn't understand. Blaming others, for his own self imposed, for his own self inflicted, ignorance. Proverbs 1:22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge? How long, LORD !!!i Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:33am:
Yes, it has, bobby, ......and you are yet another 'cherry picker'. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:14am Quote:
And the Bible is full of horrific commands by the Lord. You ignore them to the detriment of your knowledge. forgiven namaste |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by LaQuinn on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:33am
Religion has no place in government, religion only holds back progression.
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:38am Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 10:33am:
Ahh yes!! Blessed be god's love |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:45am LaQuinn wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:33am:
Ah, another 'progressive' !! What a wonderful [lawless!, violent!] world you progressives are creating. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:50am Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:45am:
Just like Deut 13 13 - you Bible basher. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Stratos on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:51am Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:45am:
What, as opposed to your non lawless non violent faith that has lead you to the conclusion that killing babies and genocide can be justified? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by thelastnail on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:52am Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:45am:
and read your own bible. Is that what you call lawful ?? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:01pm Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:52am:
Hear hear nail, Christians make no apologies for all the commanded killing in their Bible. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:01pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:02pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:06pm Stratos wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:51am:
Yadda, is a baby killer! Yadda, is a baby killer! Honest! :o |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by thelastnail on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:08pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:01pm:
forget about the commanded killings and murders. How many did the christian god actually kill in the bible ? Quote:
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com.au/2006/08/how-many-has-god-killed.html |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:08pm |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by LaQuinn on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:12pm Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:45am:
How is a world without religion lawless and violent? This should be good. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by thelastnail on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:13pm
Hey Yadda here is an itemized list of your christian gods murderous rampage. Free free to try and rationalize it all ;D
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com.au/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:24pm LaQuinn wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:12pm:
LaQuinn, I have not seen God, in a bodily form, in this world. But i have seen many, many men, and the consequences of the choices of we men and women. So, God is not present, but men are, present in this world. And imo, it is the absence of God, in the hearts of men, which is giving expression, to the evil, and the wickedness, which we see being committed FURTHER; If men feared God, they would shun lawlessness, and violence. But today, men do what is right in their own eyes. Today, men have discarded God's laws of righteousness, as per revealed to man, in the bible. Exodus 20 +++ Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. Never old. IMAGE.... |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Stratos on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:28pm Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:24pm:
YOU SUPORT GENOCIDE BASED ON YOUR BELIEFS! |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:39pm Stratos wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:28pm:
I SUPPORT 2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. Hey Stratos, my God does not exist [in your world]. My God, is a figment of my imagination. Stratos, people like yourself, can do whatever you desire. There is no cost. There is no day of accounting, for the consequences of your choices in this life. Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God...... +++ Isaiah 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. Jeremiah 9:23 Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: 24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Stratos on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:40pm Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:39pm:
Well when that judgement includes genocide and infanticide (and it does in this case) then you support this too. You aren't even denying it lol |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:54pm Stratos wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:40pm:
Stratos, Judgement [i.e. responsibility] for our actions, is a difficult concept for people like you to understand isn't it ! "How dare anyone presume to judge me, and my actions!" God will. And he is real. And you, and me, are his. He owns us. That thought, is what is wrong, isn't is Stratos ? The thought, that someone who created you, has the right to direct your actions. And that, is what you are in rebellion, over. Stratos, Your destiny is servitude [i.e. slavery]. To be a slave of righteousness, is freedom. Where justice reigns, 'tis freedom to obey. James MontgomeryiDaniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction. Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Stratos on Jan 18th, 2014 at 1:01pm Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:54pm:
So why do you support the killing of babies then? what actions are they responsible for that deserve death? It's funny you would say this Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:54pm:
When concepts like "genocide is bad" seems to avoid you |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 1:05pm Stratos wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 1:01pm:
Oh, i know, i understand, that genocide and murder, are bad actions. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 1:06pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 1:07pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 1:08pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by NBNMyths on Jan 18th, 2014 at 2:18pm Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:45am:
Yep, before us progressive atheists, there was no violence or lawlessness. Just read through the old testament. Chock full of happiness, tolerance, peace and goodwill to all.* * Unless you're homosexual, worship another God, live in a town where someone worships another God, are an atheist, are a victim of rape, have unmarried sex or work on a Sunday. In any of those cases, you deserve whatever violence comes your way.... |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 2:57pm Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:54pm:
Too long to read - one short punchy sentence please. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by The Grappler 2014 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 3:12pm Our Policies, Since Two Thousand and Seven Hollow be thy Promises. This King's word's scum Tone's will be done, In earth-digging as it is in boat people. Give us this day our daily dread Of leading us to be a poor nation For someone else's is the investment The towers and the tailings For the term of the leases Amen. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 18th, 2014 at 3:26pm
All of this fervent discussion is just more evidence why we should stand up for our constitutional rights and remove the anachronistic prayer. It's got no legitimate place in a Parliament governed by a constitution that specifically prohibits the creation of laws that require observance.
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 3:56pm
Just added a poll:
Should the Lord's Prayer be scrapped in Parliament? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 10:03am
The poll is over whelming.
the Lord's prayer should be scrapped. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by philperth2010 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 10:29am
The majority of Australian's are Christians (over 60%) or could not care less if the Lords Prayer is recited before Parliament sits.....The majority are being represented and the prayer should offend no one IMO!!!
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:11am philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 10:29am:
It offends me - I see religion as a curse that will destroy the world. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by woody2013 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:22am
;D ;D
Bobby. wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:11am:
`Well that's called F ;DU ;D ;DC ;DK I ;DN ;DG S ;DT ;DI ;DF ;DF ;D |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by philperth2010 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:30am Bobby. wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:11am:
It has not happened in over 2000 years of Christianity and is declining in popularity.....I think most religious people are against violence and are very tolerant!!! :) :) :) Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful. Randy K. Milholland, Something Positive Comic, 10-19-06 |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:33am philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:30am:
It nearly happened because of that Catholic monster Hitler. He thought he was doing God's work on earth. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by woody2013 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:40am Bobby. wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:33am:
F. F. S IN TROT'S HITLER >:( >:( >:( >:( |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:54am woody2014 wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:22am:
forgiven namaste |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:54am
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 11:55am
Hitler - catholic monster with his henchmen & supporters.
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 19th, 2014 at 12:59pm
More evidence to support Godwin's law.
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by woody2013 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 1:08pm Bam wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
Godwin's law From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Mike Godwin (2010) Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies[1][2]) is an assertion made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3] In other words, Godwin said that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis. Although in one of its early forms Godwin's law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[4] the law is now often applied to any threaded online discussion, such as forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, and has been invoked for the inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches.[5] In 2012, "Godwin's Law" became an entry in the third edition of the Oxford English Dictionary.[6] Contents [hide] 1 Corollaries and usage 2 History 3 See also 4 Notes 5 Further reading 6 External links Corollaries and usage[edit] There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself)[3] than others.[1] For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.[7] This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law. It is considered poor form to raise such a comparison arbitrarily with the motive of ending the thread. There is a widely recognized corollary that any such ulterior-motive invocation of Godwin's law will be unsuccessful.[8] Godwin's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Nazis – often referred to as "playing the Hitler card". The law and its corollaries would not apply to discussions covering known mainstays of Nazi Germany such as genocide, eugenics, or racial superiority, nor, more debatably, to a discussion of other totalitarian regimes or ideologies, if that was the explicit topic of conversation, since a Nazi comparison in those circumstances may be appropriate, in effect committing the fallacist's fallacy. Whether it applies to humorous use or references to oneself is open to interpretation, since this would not be a fallacious attack against a debate opponent. While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.[9] Similar criticisms of the "law" (or "at least the distorted version which purports to prohibit all comparisons to German crimes") have been made by Glenn Greenwald.[10] History[edit] Godwin has stated that he introduced Godwin's law in 1990 as an experiment in memetics.[2] Godwin's law does not claim to articulate a fallacy; it is instead framed as a memetic tool to reduce the incidence of inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons. "Although deliberately framed as if it were a law of nature or of mathematics, its purpose has always been rhetorical and pedagogical: I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler or to Nazis to think a bit harder about the Holocaust", Godwin has written.[11] See also[edit] Portal icon Internet portal Association fallacy Reductio ad Hitlerum List of adages named after people |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 19th, 2014 at 4:25pm
The Nazis associated with the Catholics.
I don't care about Godwin's law - fact is fact. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Neferti on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:14pm Aussie wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:50pm:
It is referred to in the Preamble. So, yes, to take this bit out of the Preamble would require the usual procedure of changing The Constitution. Quote:
Preamble Herei |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Neferti on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:16pm
Oh, and the version of the Lord's Prayer that they read in Parliament is the Protestant (Anglican) version, not the Catholic one. ;)
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Pastafarian on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:19pm
Why not a compromise, get all the religious types into one of the anterooms and get them to pray there, whilst for 10 minutes the intelligent pollies can start on the business of the day
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:05am:
And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious?? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Greens_Win on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:23pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:
Any workplace in the country that doesn't start a shift with the lord's prayer is disenfranchising religious people? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Neferti on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:23pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:19pm:
I don't care, I am a Reformed Agnostic. I said it was referred to in our Constitution and was challenged. No big deal. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:23pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 4:25pm:
Actually no, the Catholic Church didn't openly oppose the Nazis...but that was a political decision based on fear (and the fact that the Church hasn't had a proper 'army' since the Crusades. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:25pm ____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:23pm:
Any workplace that bans religious believers who work there from praying certainly is. How would that be considered if Muslim workers weren't allowed to pray at work?? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:25pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:
What is being proposed is getting rid of the silly religious rituals not the religious ppl. SOB |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:26pm
flip
SOB |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:26pm
flip
SOB |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:27pm
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Neferti on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:29pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:27pm:
flip, flip, flip, flop, flop, flop. Is this a new thing around here? (impatience?) ;D |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Greens_Win on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:
No ban on praying in parliament is being put forward … just do it before work or during breaks … or silently. So are workplaces without the lord's prayer disenfrachising anyone? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:
And you don't see that it would upset the religious people far more than sitting in parliament, going over paper work while the religiously inclined pray, would upset most atheists or agnostics??? 95% of atheists/agnostics don't care if someone else prays, as long as they're not expected to join in. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Neferti on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm Neferti wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:14pm:
B*U*M*P* For Aussie's benefit. :P |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:32pm ____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:
Yes, that IS exactly what is being put forward. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:35pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:
But they are expected to join in or @ least stand. Also its offensive since church and government are supposed to be separate. SOB |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Greens_Win on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:37pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:32pm:
It is not People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours. If people want to pray during work, join a monastery. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:10pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:35pm:
Are they?? Are you sure about that?? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:11pm ____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:
It is not People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours. If people want to pray during work, join a monastery. [/quote] And if 75% or 80% of Members of the House want to start the session with the prayer??? The Greens are once again trying to push their version of morality on to everyone....oh and btw, getting rid of the lord's prayer in Parliament won't get rid of the religious objections to same-sex marriage, it'll probably have the exact opposite effect and make it harder to get the Marriage Act changed. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Greens_Win on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:28pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:11pm:
And if 75% or 80% of Members of the House want to start the session with the prayer??? The Greens are once again trying to push their version of morality on to everyone....oh and btw, getting rid of the lord's prayer in Parliament won't get rid of the religious objections to same-sex marriage, it'll probably have the exact opposite effect and make it harder to get the Marriage Act changed.[/quote] _/_/_/_/ You haven't explained your previous opinion : Quote:
How is people privately praying disenfranchising religious people. Is your god hard of hearing? And if religious people are disenfranchised then why no push to make praying manditory in all Australian work places? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by LaQuinn on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:37pm Swagman wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 7:48am:
Any religion should have no association with governing. Governing needs to be based around fact and wise decision making based on what is best for society, not what some silly fictional book tells us. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by FriYAY on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:45pm ____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:
You want Muslims to join a monastery and pray after work!!! I’d get a thick leather collar of I were you….. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:46pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:
It does no such thing. If they want to pray, paint themselves with ochre, sacrifice goats, rip out the still-beating hearts of their enslaved enemies, or whatever it is that they wish to do, they can still do so, just not on the floor of Parliament. (It's too difficult getting the blood out of the carpets.) Also, they still get to vote whether they may pray or not, so this "disenfranchise" argument is crap. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:51pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:10pm:
Yup. Even gillard had to stand. Its stupid. You can say officially they dont have to but they do have to. SOB |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by mozzaok on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:51pm
Ban it all, praying, bible bashing of any kind in fact.
There is no god, and if anyone needed further proof of that, the fact that politicians can pray in parliament, and not be struck by lightning, should be enough to convince anyone. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:52pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:11pm:
Hold on a moment. Why is it OK for the religious from one particular religion to push their prayers onto everyone, but not OK for this to be abolished? Isn't that hypocritical? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:53pm ____ wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:28pm:
_/_/_/_/ You haven't explained your previous opinion : Quote:
How is people privately praying disenfranchising religious people. Is your god hard of hearing? And if religious people are disenfranchised then why no push to make praying manditory in all Australian work places? [/quote] 1) It's not about 'privately praying' It's about changing the way Parliament is opened, based on the objections of a single person (or small group) 2) I don't have a god, so the auditory acuity of mythological constructs isn't relevant. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:54pm Bam wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:52pm:
Can you show us where it's compulsory for everyone in the Chamber to join in?? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:55pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:51pm:
Had to, or chose to? I'm pretty sure there are non-christian members of parliament, have any (like Adam Bandt) been ejected for not standing? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:58pm mozzaok wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:51pm:
Probably a little extreme. Banning religion is as bad as requiring it. Everyone has the right to freedom of religion as well as the right to freedom from religion. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:59pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:54pm:
Answer my questions please. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:02pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:53pm:
It's more than "the objections of a single person (or small group)". It may be unconstitutional. If it goes to the High Court and is struck out for being in violation of Section 116 of the Constitution, what then? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by TheGreenLight on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:24pm
Is this all the Greens have to worry about? They've become such a petty, whining little party. Shame really. No wonder they lost so much of their vote last election, myself included.
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Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by woody2013 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:25pm Bam wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:02pm:
Well then you do something about it. Till then don't get your nicker's in a knot . ;) ;) ;) ;) |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:42pm woody2014 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:25pm:
The only ones getting their knickers in a knot are the religious nutters who are aghast at their particular ritual being removed from somewhere where it should never have been allowed in the first place. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:43pm Bam wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:59pm:
Ok, 'the religious from one religion' aren't pushing their prayers onto anyone. Christianity is not forcing people to pray ( and it's a term for a group of religions, not just one). BUT one person or possible several anti-religious people from the Greens are trying to push their beliefs onto the Australian Parliament, probably against the wishes of the actual Members of that Parliament. ( I say probably, because if praying at the opening was against the wishes of, or offensive to the sitting members, THEY, themselves, would have already voted to stop it). |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by woody2013 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:55pm Bam wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:42pm:
;D ;D ;D ;D Bloody hell people thought a lot different 110 years ago >:( |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 4:55pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 2:43pm:
Yes they are, they're insisting that the Lord's Prayer be retained. Quote:
Sure. Let them adjourn to a prayer room before the sitting day begins and they can hold hands, pray and sing Halleluyah all they want. Keep the prayer off the floor of the House - as Section 116 of the Constitution demands. Quote:
And yet you do not see the hypocrisy of the minority of Christian members demanding that the anachronistic prayer be retained. They are foisting their beliefs onto others just as much as the Greens you so loudly denounce. As expected, you did not address my question. |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Aussie on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 5:07pm Neferti wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:14pm:
You said emphatically that The Lord's Prayer was in Section 116, not the Preamble as you now claim.....and it is very clear that what is in the Preamble is not the Lord's Prayer. /end |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 5:25pm Aussie wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 5:07pm:
Is this person brain dead. Why can't she just google the Aust Constitution and then READ IT, instead of making all these obviously incorrect claims and looking like the idiot she is? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Neferti on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 6:18pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 5:25pm:
I did read The Constitution. Have you? Click on the words "Preamble Here" and you will find this: The Australian Constitution Table of Provisions View the Constitution as a single document (PDF 92KB) An Act to constitute the Commonwealth of Australia [9th July 1900] (63 & 64 Victoria - Chapter 12) Preamble Chapter I. The Parliament (s. 1 to 60) Part I - General (s. 1 to 6) Part II - The Senate (s. 7 to 23) Part III - The House of Representatives (s. 24 to 40) Part IV - Both Houses of the Parliament (s. 41 to 50) Part V - Powers of the Parliament (s. 51 to 60) Chapter II. The Executive Government (s. 61 to 70) Chapter III. The Judicature (s. 71 to 80) Chapter IV. Finance and Trade (s. 81 to 105A) Chapter V. The States (s. 106 to 120) Chapter VI. New States (s. 121 to 124) Chapter VII. Miscellaneous (s. 125 to 127) Chapter VIII. Alteration of the Constitution (s. 128) The Schedule Now, you go and read the bloody thing. OK? |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Spot of Borg on Jan 24th, 2014 at 6:25am gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:55pm:
Had to. What would happen if she didnt? Hmmm? Meanwhile would you stand for the muslim prayer? SOB |
Title: Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Post by Bam on Jan 24th, 2014 at 6:44am Neferti wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 6:18pm:
Why were you claiming it was in Section 116 when it is clearly not? Neferti wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:32am:
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