Andrews flags major welfare changes


SOCIAL Services Minister Kevin Andrews says Australia's welfare system is unsustainable and changes must be made to the disability pension and the general unemployment benefit.

A 10-year report by the Department of Human Services shows more than five million Australians received an income support payment in June 2012, with Disability Support Pension recipients hitting 827,000 and 550,000 people on Newstart Allowance.

Mr Andrews says the system needs an overhaul to bring welfare spending under control, The Australian newspaper reports.

He told the paper the government is reviewing all welfare rules to see what can be done to decrease the number of unemployed on the dole, including the possibility of eliminating the ability of those on welfare to refuse to take a job if it is more than 90 minutes from their home.

He says another proposal is for one universal welfare payment with top ups for different levels of need, but that this is a long-term option.

Mr Andrews has appointed former Mission Australia head Patrick McClure to head his review of welfare.

www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/andrews-flags-major-welfare-changes/story-fn3dxiwe-1226806349248

What does he want?

The revolution is coming.

I hope I live to see the fall of the elites.

Doesn’t seem to be anything there about kicking asset millionaires off the old age pension! Or removing the lurks the economic illiterate Costello put in by which the very rich can avoid tax using super, or removing corporate welfare like negative gearing and the diesel rebate.

Nah, all about extracting pennies from those who only have pennies. A lot will be done but welfare will grow.

The shambles is made up of idiots!

Nothing but scum, this lot.

They deserve the same fate as their 1930s-1940s counterparts.

And soon.

____ wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 5:05am:

Andrews flags major welfare changes SOCIAL Services Minister Kevin Andrews says Australia's welfare system is unsustainable and changes must be made to the disability pension and the general unemployment benefit. A 10-year report by the Department of Human Services shows more than five million Australians received an income support payment in June 2012, with Disability Support Pension recipients hitting 827,000 and 550,000 people on Newstart Allowance. Mr Andrews says the system needs an overhaul to bring welfare spending under control, The Australian newspaper reports. He told the paper the government is reviewing all welfare rules to see what can be done to decrease the number of unemployed on the dole, including the possibility of eliminating the ability of those on welfare to refuse to take a job if it is more than 90 minutes from their home. He says another proposal is for one universal welfare payment with top ups for different levels of need, but that this is a long-term option. Mr Andrews has appointed former Mission Australia head Patrick McClure to head his review of welfare. www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/andrews-flags-major-welfare-changes/story-fn3dxiwe-1226806349248

You'd have to be another "freeloader" on the workers of Australia.

There are a lot of lazy  young mongrels living off others. True, there are not many jobs but one could make a good living just cleaning homes of the aged  if costs were reasonable.

So, no need to stretch out the hand and then go to the beach!

My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers!

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 6:45am:

Doesn’t seem to be anything there about kicking asset millionaires off the old age pension! Or removing the lurks the economic illiterate Costello put in by which the very rich can avoid tax using super, or removing corporate welfare like negative gearing and the diesel rebate. Nah, all about extracting pennies from those who only have pennies. A lot will be done but welfare will grow. The shambles is made up of idiots!

Those ppl with expensive houses are just as entitled to their pension as anyone else. Seriously they paid into it while they were working just like everyone else.

SOB

Don’t know who you were calling freeloader there but it is beside the point.

The old and super rich are the ones bleeding the Welfare Budget dry!

Cleaning up super, removing asset rich/income poor from the old age pension, removing negative gearing and cleaning up the FBT would easily save $75Bn a year. Moving a few off the DSP onto NewStart would save peanuts.

Andrews on ABC24 just admitted this is retrospective, it is only temporary non retrospectiive … and so cons plan to throw disabled people off the pension.


Heartless cons.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:14am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 6:45am: Doesn’t seem to be anything there about kicking asset millionaires off the old age pension! Or removing the lurks the economic illiterate Costello put in by which the very rich can avoid tax using super, or removing corporate welfare like negative gearing and the diesel rebate. Nah, all about extracting pennies from those who only have pennies. A lot will be done but welfare will grow. The shambles is made up of idiots! Those ppl with expensive houses are just as entitled to their pension as anyone else. Seriously they paid into it while they were working just like everyone else. SOB

Was not talking of the family home.

Was talking of those who arranged their affairs so they were asset rich but income poor, then retired. They would have received plenty from taxpayers in the form of subsidies, FBT etc. They don’t pay as much tax proportionately as you or I!

And if someone is living in a million dollar home needs the Pension—let him sell their home and buy something much cheaper and live off the difference! Nothing right about the rich riding on the backs of those on lower incomes!

It will be to their detriment.

The more they kick the down and outers, the more ammunition for the opposition parties.

The dole queue is growing, as will aged pensioners (baby boomers) and when the 67 retirement age comes into force, so will disability pensioners.

I see the conservative Angela Merkel is giving pensioners a 60 euro pay rise, she knows where her votes lie. Besides it grows the economy, most pensioners spend pretty well 100% of their income. It makes sense to give them more.

Yup, would make sense to boost NewStart which has not received an increase for like forever—all that money will be spent, benefitting the economy.

Instead, the Libs will boost the GST which will depress spending—and the rich will get big tax cuts, which won’t be spent!

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 6:45am:

Doesn’t seem to be anything there about kicking asset millionaires off the old age pension! The shambles is made up of idiots!

And wont because your bogas statement is false. The old age pension is asset tested, you can be property asset rich and the value of the properties does not affect the old age pension, how ever any money earned from these properties are taken into consideration, it is classed as a income. So if they are earning above the thresh hold they will not be entitled to the pension.

If these properties are not earning a income and the pensioner sells the asset it becomes cash asset and likely to be over the thresh hold amount therefore they are not entitled to the pension.

Get your facts right before making shambled comments you idiot! its all on the government website.

You dick heads have this wacky bullshyte idea that asset million airs deliberately live in cash follow poverty for the sake of a couple of free hundreds a week when they can live on 10 times that.

You labor/greens are really fu*ked up.

 

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:14am:

Don’t know who you were calling freeloader there but it is beside the point. The old and super rich are the ones bleeding the Welfare Budget dry! Cleaning up super, removing asset rich/income poor from the old age pension, removing negative gearing and cleaning up the FBT would easily save $75Bn a year. Moving a few off the DSP onto NewStart would save peanuts.

Im not calling anyone a freeloader and i didnt mention the "super rich" i said the ppl with expensive houses. Why should they have to move just because they got old?

SOB

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:24am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 7:14am: St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 6:45am: Doesn’t seem to be anything there about kicking asset millionaires off the old age pension! Or removing the lurks the economic illiterate Costello put in by which the very rich can avoid tax using super, or removing corporate welfare like negative gearing and the diesel rebate. Nah, all about extracting pennies from those who only have pennies. A lot will be done but welfare will grow. The shambles is made up of idiots! Those ppl with expensive houses are just as entitled to their pension as anyone else. Seriously they paid into it while they were working just like everyone else. SOB Was not talking of the family home. Was talking of those who arranged their affairs so they were asset rich but income poor, then retired. They would have received plenty from taxpayers in the form of subsidies, FBT etc. They don’t pay as much tax proportionately as you or I! And if someone is living in a million dollar home needs the Pension—let him sell their home and buy something much cheaper and live off the difference! Nothing right about the rich riding on the backs of those on lower incomes!

Ppl with expensive houses worked too. Paid into the pension too. Why should they sell and move? they arent living off anyone's backs anyway. Also - not sure who you are talking about since there is an assets test in australia. And its less than a million. In fact for the disabled pension its 196k which isnt even enough for a decent house.

SOB

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:11am:

My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers!

Great story Ol'timer. And tell us again about the time when you and Caruthers were set upon by a band of darkies in the jungles of Biyerma.  Oh, they were the days say what.

It was olde.sault who mentioned freeloaders.

Sorry, if you live in a million dollar home you don’t need the pension—middleclass welfare might have been introduced by our second worst PM, Little Johnny,  but it is neither right nor sustainable. Anyway, if you live in a million dollar home you have super—if you have put your super into non–income producing investments then you do not deserve loafing off welfare in retirement.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:57am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 7:11am: My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers! Great story Ol'timer. And tell us again about the time when you and Caruthers were set upon by a band of darkies in the jungles of Biyerma.  Oh, they were the days say what.

....   and because he couldn't afford shoes, he walked thru and fresh cow poo to warm his feet.

If anyone thinks that the welfare system doesn't need serious overhaul they are brain dead. just as the title of this thread is brain dead.

Middle class welfare is a myth.  It's just shuffling deck chairs.  FACT.  The Govt collects income tax and gives you some of it back as a rebate.  The net result is ZERO.  It's smoke and mirrors stuff.

Australia has a declining tax payer base and a compounding welfare and universal health care bill due mainly to the aging of the population.

Medicare tax has not changed, marginal tax rates have not changed (up), the rate of the GST has not changed so it's no friggin wonder things are going backwards.

Labor prefers to borrow instead of increasing taxes and the Coalition won't do either preferring to cut to pay for Labor's borrowings.

The no-brainer is to increase taxes across the board.

If taxes across the board are increased the impact is not as great on the individual.  The effect on consumption and business is another matter. 

Yes getting rid of the mythical 'middleclass welfare' (is in effect just a marginal tax increase).  Increase company tax and increase the GST.

The GST is regressive and yes low income earners cop more of the impact BUT they also get more of the benefit from tax revenues which is arguably better for them.

The biggest problem would be the impact on the macroeconomy that a drop in take home pay across the board would do.

I hope they do a proper study on welfare...  I'm sure they will find that Newstart needs to be increased and that unemployment is higher than they think and there is more to being out of work than being lazy.
If there's a public feedback option on this I have quite a few home truths to tell them.

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:59am:

It was olde.sault who mentioned freeloaders. Sorry, if you live in a million dollar home you don’t need the pension—middleclass welfare might have been introduced by our second worst PM, Little Johnny,  but it is neither right nor sustainable. Anyway, if you live in a million dollar home you have super—if you have put your super into non–income producing investments then you do not deserve loafing off welfare in retirement.

Again your mentality has hit rock bottom, why would anyone choose to live on the pension when they can live a better life on their super? You idiot!

Compulsory super was introduced in 1992! how much super do think todays retirees have you idiot!

For most retirees their super is their family home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go and bugger*k your self you dick head!

Swagman wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:24am:

The no-brainer is to increase taxes across the board.

Pretty sure if the Liberals did this they would be crucified.  Well anyone, but particularly a party where one of their policies is low tax

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:59am:

It was olde.sault who mentioned freeloaders. Sorry, if you live in a million dollar home you don’t need the pension—middleclass welfare might have been introduced by our second worst PM, Little Johnny,  but it is neither right nor sustainable. Anyway, if you live in a million dollar home you have super—if you have put your super into non–income producing investments then you do not deserve loafing off welfare in retirement.

I see you ignored what i said. You just dont want to know or what? There is an ASSETS TEST for the pension in australia. IMO there shouldn't be though if a person worked all their lives then they have paid into it.

SOB

Middle class welfare is not a myth. It is andrei paying no tax @ all and its mothers who earn 250k a year getting baby bonus etc . . . .

SOB

Stratos wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:31am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 8:24am: The no-brainer is to increase taxes across the board. Pretty sure if the Liberals did this they would be crucified.  Well anyone, but particularly a party where one of their policies is low tax

Johnny H had the highest taxing govt in our history and the people didn't blink, in fact some think he's the bees knees.

Setanta wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:48am:

Johnny H had the highest taxing govt in our history and the people didn't blink, in fact some think he's the bees knees.

All about appearances.  With 24 hour media scrutiny and social media, any rise in taxes will be instantly found and shouted from the rooftops.

Then again, I'm guessing only die hard Lib/Nat supporters are the ones who will be surprised at them breaking another election promise.

Grendel wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:26am:

I hope they do a proper study on welfare...  They have. There was a Senate enquiry into it last year, which was promptly ignored by both sides of government. This despite a record number of submissions (mine among them) and only two or three opposing a No-Start raise. I'm sure they will find that Newstart needs to be increased The enquiry decided that the $50/week increase was just, valid, and long-overdue, and should be raised. This was ignored.  and that unemployment is higher than they think Again, yes, they did find that. and there is more to being out of work than being lazy. Which everyone but the most ignorant would accept, rather than attempt to deny. If there's a public feedback option on this I have quite a few home truths to tell them. That's why I sent a submission to the Senate enquiry. No other ba$tard even wants to hear about the issue. One has only to look at the continued abuse I've copped on here from conservatives who label me a bludger and a no-hoper, simply for supporting a fair go for the unemployed.

It's only going to get worse......

CSG is on shaky ground.

We did say the boom would end, didn't we?

Yesterday these were the jobs we were going to use to lure migrants to regional areas....today they're gone.

Fallout from CSG slump set to claim up to 400 Arrow Energy jobs

Embattled local CSG group Arrow Energy has confirmed that the axe is poised to fall on hundreds of workers at the Brisbane-based group as the company's major partners decide to pull out of their $10 billion Gladstone LNG project.

An Arrow spokesman today confirmed reports in The Courier Mail that about 400 staff out of a total of 1200 would go as the company wound back its Gladstone ambitions.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/fallout-from-csg-slump-set-to-claim-up-to-400-arrow-energy-jobs/story-fnihsps3-1226805322632

reader comments:

Michael
Maybe if people paid more attention to media outlets that aren't bought by the employers or government then you'd all know the truth. There are hundreds of jobs a week disappearing into the abyss and yet everyone believes the politicians when they say "its all ok".... Start looking outside the box and you'll see the real world. This is not the first lot of jobs, and it won't be the last.

Elizabeth
Well then it's time for governments to stop promising to lift employment. .because the only way to do that is through the public service and we know how Newman feels about that.

Shona
Oh wow. A disaster. How many lives, families, dreams are ruined by this?  On a related note, has Premier Newman ever had a worse week as Premier than this last one? He's been the King Midas of Poo, everything he has touched has turned  to , well, yukky stuff.  His announcement on violence in the valley was roundly ridiculed, his immigrant plans were shown up as fatuous and unthought-out and his plea for an image do-over in the CM was seen as pathetic and desperate - prompting another hail of call for him to quit in favour of the Golden Child, Scott Emerson, and now his economic credentials are in tatters, Rotten week for the Prem. Can he bounce back?

...and one for the house flippers

Rowan
If you were suckered into buying an investment property in Gladstone, my condolences. Three years ago you couldn't rent a home in Gladstone. Today there's over 800 houses sitting empty and every likelihood that this number will easily pass 1000 before the clean out is finished. 

All the welfare parasites know its unsustainable but they don't care, they just want to take it easy now and bill the next generation.

De-registered User wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:53am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 6:45am: Doesn’t seem to be anything there about kicking asset millionaires off the old age pension! The shambles is made up of idiots! And wont because your bogas statement is false. The old age pension is asset tested, you can be property asset rich and the value of the properties does not affect the old age pension, how ever any money earned from these properties are taken into consideration, it is classed as a income. So if they are earning above the thresh hold they will not be entitled to the pension. If these properties are not earning a income and the pensioner sells the asset it becomes cash asset and likely to be over the thresh hold amount therefore they are not entitled to the pension. Get your facts right before making shambled comments you idiot! its all on the government website. You dick heads have this wacky bullshyte idea that asset million airs deliberately live in cash follow poverty for the sake of a couple of free hundreds a week when they can live on 10 times that. You labor/greens are really dam you*ked up.

No, what I wrote is all correct. And they don’t have to sell nothing, monkey brain, they can raise mortgages and probably have company and/or trusts to arrange things they keep their income down.

Yup, the rich are used to using all sorts of dodges to keep as much money out the tax collectors’ hands as possible. Lawyered up, good accountants, the lot.

You can thank John Uterus Howard for all this mess.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:11am:

My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers!

You poor thing - having to get a job.

Congratulations - did you have no shoes, have to walk on razor blades etc etc

Why - I've worked full time since I was 18, never been on new start/any government payment - I positively deserve a medal.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-09/interactive-budget-2013-where-will-your-tax-go/4682404

We currently spend $138 billion in welfare -this includes:
Assistance to the aged      $54.8 billion
Assistance to veterans and dependants      $7.0 billion
Assistance to people with disabilities      $25.5 billion
Assistance to families with children      $34.9 billion
Assistance to the unemployed and the sick      $9.6 billion
Other welfare programs      $1.6 billion
Assistance for Indigenous Australians $1.0 billion
General administration      $3.7 billion

Where do we cut from?

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:40am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 7:11am: My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers! You poor thing - having to get a job.

It did sound a bit like that Monthy Python sketch “And you tell the young people today that and they won’t believe you!”

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:51am:

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:40am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 7:11am: My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers! You poor thing - having to get a job. It did sound a bit like that Monthy Python sketch “And you tell the young people today that and they won’t believe you!”

I know - I almost bought him a tiny violin!

"Congratulations, you did what millions others have done as well - you got a job! Here is a gold star, a cookie and a medal!"

I know one place we can cut - close down all of the JSA's and have a central jobs suppository (oops) repository.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:19am:

All the welfare parasites know its unsustainable but they don't care, they just want to take it easy now and bill the next generation.

Who are the "parasites"? the pensioners? the disabled? the sacked workers from qld?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 11:00am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:19am: All the welfare parasites know its unsustainable but they don't care, they just want to take it easy now and bill the next generation. Who are the "parasites"? SOB

Just about every reffo thats ever hit our shores for a start, thankfully Abbotts cleaned that mess up, hopefully he stops the legal reffos too, I'm sure he'd like to.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 11:17am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 11:00am: Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:19am: All the welfare parasites know its unsustainable but they don't care, they just want to take it easy now and bill the next generation. Who are the "parasites"? SOB Just about every reffo thats ever hit our shores for a start, thankfully Abbotts cleaned that mess up, hopefully he stops the legal reffos too, I'm sure he'd like to.

Playing to ignorant bogans like you might have won Abbott the election but continuing to play to ignorant bogans like you are why his polls are diving and Lib hardheads are looking around for an alternative to Abbott.

While those doing it tough are going to find it even tougher some are doing OK:


Quote:

In middle of major austerity measures & budget cuts for the community, Brandis indulges in his second massive library. #Entitlement #auspol— Inadvertently Here (@geeksrulz) January 20, 2014 @geeksrulz Someone buy him a kindle!— AbeyAbenathy (@AbeyAbenathy) January 20, 2014

Ton of books, fancy bookshelves all paid for by the taxpayer!

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:24am:

And if someone is living in a million dollar home needs the Pension—let him sell their home and buy something much cheaper and live off the difference! Nothing right about the rich riding on the backs of those on lower incomes!

The excessive rate of stamp duty makes this problematic.

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 11:34am:

While those doing it tough are going to find it even tougher some are doing OK: Quote: In middle of major austerity measures & budget cuts for the community, Brandis indulges in his second massive library. #Entitlement #auspol— Inadvertently Here (@geeksrulz) January 20, 2014 @geeksrulz Someone buy him a kindle!— AbeyAbenathy (@AbeyAbenathy) January 20, 2014 Ton of books, fancy bookshelves all paid for by the taxpayer!

That's different - the Coalition expenditure when in government is never to be questioned!

They can spend whatever they want - even if their claiming travel expenses to a wedding!
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 6:37am:

What does he want? The revolution is coming. I hope I live to see the fall of the elites.

Off you go then.......China and North Korea are waiting for numpties like you and Greenslime. Russia isn't a communist state any longer, so I'm not too sure Mr Putin would welcome you two, but you could always go have a look-see......try scaling one of their oil rigs.....they'll get ya both there free of charge...and they'll even give you bed and breakfast...... ;D

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 11:17am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 11:00am: Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:19am: All the welfare parasites know its unsustainable but they don't care, they just want to take it easy now and bill the next generation. Who are the "parasites"? SOB Just about every reffo thats ever hit our shores for a start, thankfully Abbotts cleaned that mess up, hopefully he stops the legal reffos too, I'm sure he'd like to.

That's such a load of bullshyt that it'd be laughable, were it not
for the fact that you dumbasses actually believe it.

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:55am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:51am: Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:40am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 7:11am: My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers! You poor thing - having to get a job. It did sound a bit like that Monthy Python sketch “And you tell the young people today that and they won’t believe you!” I know - I almost bought him a tiny violin! "Congratulations, you did what millions others have done as well - you got a job! Here is a gold star, a cookie and a medal!" I know one place we can cut - close down all of the JSA's and have a central jobs suppository (oops) repository.

We DID have.

It was called the Commonwealth Employment Service.

The dog, Howard, dumped it in favour of the current shambles.

Kat wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 12:04pm:

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:55am: St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:51am: Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:40am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 7:11am: My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers! You poor thing - having to get a job. It did sound a bit like that Monthy Python sketch “And you tell the young people today that and they won’t believe you!” I know - I almost bought him a tiny violin! "Congratulations, you did what millions others have done as well - you got a job! Here is a gold star, a cookie and a medal!" I know one place we can cut - close down all of the JSA's and have a central jobs suppository (oops) repository. We DID have. It was called the Commonwealth Employment Service. The dog, Howard, dumped it in favour of the current shambles.

Privatisation always works better  ::) ::) ::) ::)

Kat wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 12:04pm:

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:55am: St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:51am: Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:40am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 7:11am: My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers! You poor thing - having to get a job. It did sound a bit like that Monthy Python sketch “And you tell the young people today that and they won’t believe you!” I know - I almost bought him a tiny violin! "Congratulations, you did what millions others have done as well - you got a job! Here is a gold star, a cookie and a medal!" I know one place we can cut - close down all of the JSA's and have a central jobs suppository (oops) repository. We DID have. It was called the Commonwealth Employment Service. The dog, Howard, dumped it in favour of the current shambles.

;) ;) ;)  So why didn't wonder boy and lards arse change it if it's so BAD  !  puddy cat   ;)

They had  6   years   ;D ;D ;D

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 12:06pm:

Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:04pm: Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:55am: St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:51am: Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:40am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 7:11am: My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers! You poor thing - having to get a job. It did sound a bit like that Monthy Python sketch “And you tell the young people today that and they won’t believe you!” I know - I almost bought him a tiny violin! "Congratulations, you did what millions others have done as well - you got a job! Here is a gold star, a cookie and a medal!" I know one place we can cut - close down all of the JSA's and have a central jobs suppository (oops) repository. We DID have. It was called the Commonwealth Employment Service. The dog, Howard, dumped it in favour of the current shambles. Privatisation always works better  ::) ::) ::) ::)

It does NOT, and this is just one instance where it has failed dismally.

I wish they had. As an employer I found their service first rate—we would get a few, qualified applicants for each vacancy.

The Jobs Network is an absolute joke! They used to send like a dozen to come visit me and none would be of any use.

John Uterus Howard, second worst PM this country ever had.

woody2014 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:04pm: Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:55am: St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:51am: Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:40am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 7:11am: My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers! You poor thing - having to get a job. It did sound a bit like that Monthy Python sketch “And you tell the young people today that and they won’t believe you!” I know - I almost bought him a tiny violin! "Congratulations, you did what millions others have done as well - you got a job! Here is a gold star, a cookie and a medal!" I know one place we can cut - close down all of the JSA's and have a central jobs suppository (oops) repository. We DID have. It was called the Commonwealth Employment Service. The dog, Howard, dumped it in favour of the current shambles. ;) ;) ;)  So why didn't wonder boy and lards arse change it if it's so BAD  !  puddy cat   ;) They had  6   years   ;D ;D ;D

Well, they did re-work it to make it more efficient, and removed some organisations which were rorting it.

But of course, you idiots would have missed that....

Kat wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 11:57am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 11:17am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 11:00am: Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:19am: All the welfare parasites know its unsustainable but they don't care, they just want to take it easy now and bill the next generation. Who are the "parasites"? SOB Just about every reffo thats ever hit our shores for a start, thankfully Abbotts cleaned that mess up, hopefully he stops the legal reffos too, I'm sure he'd like to. That's such a load of bullshyt that it'd be laughable, were it not for the fact that you dumbasses actually believe it.

Thats the information I have, if you have anything that proves me wrong please feel free to post it up.  ;)


Welfare bludgers are a funny lot, not only do they want to sit around doing f*ck all while waiting for a handout they want half of the third world to come here and join them on the dole too.
Then they do nothing but piss and moan at the people who feed them, ungrateful caarnts!   ;D

Kat wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 12:18pm:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:11pm: Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:04pm: Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:55am: St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:51am: Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:40am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 7:11am: My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers! You poor thing - having to get a job. It did sound a bit like that Monthy Python sketch “And you tell the young people today that and they won’t believe you!” I know - I almost bought him a tiny violin! "Congratulations, you did what millions others have done as well - you got a job! Here is a gold star, a cookie and a medal!" I know one place we can cut - close down all of the JSA's and have a central jobs suppository (oops) repository. We DID have. It was called the Commonwealth Employment Service. The dog, Howard, dumped it in favour of the current shambles. ;) ;) ;)  So why didn't wonder boy and lards arse change it if it's so BAD  !  puddy cat   ;) They had  6   years   ;D ;D ;D Well, they did re-work it to make it more efficient, and removed some organisations which were rorting it. But of course, you idiots would have missed that....

But you still seam to be unhappy with the way it is.  ;) ;)

woody2014 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 12:23pm:

Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:18pm: woody2014 wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:11pm: Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:04pm: Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:55am: St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:51am: Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:40am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 7:11am: My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers! You poor thing - having to get a job. It did sound a bit like that Monthy Python sketch “And you tell the young people today that and they won’t believe you!” I know - I almost bought him a tiny violin! "Congratulations, you did what millions others have done as well - you got a job! Here is a gold star, a cookie and a medal!" I know one place we can cut - close down all of the JSA's and have a central jobs suppository (oops) repository. We DID have. It was called the Commonwealth Employment Service. The dog, Howard, dumped it in favour of the current shambles. ;) ;) ;)  So why didn't wonder boy and lards arse change it if it's so BAD  !  puddy cat   ;) They had  6   years   ;D ;D ;D Well, they did re-work it to make it more efficient, and removed some organisations which were rorting it. But of course, you idiots would have missed that.... But you still seam to be unhappy with the way it is.  ;) ;)

Not allowed to be unhappy with it? Are you saying that anything Labor does we should applaud just because Labor did it like you mob do with everything the coalition do something? That makes sense :D

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 12:19pm:

Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 11:57am: Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 11:17am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 11:00am: Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:19am: All the welfare parasites know its unsustainable but they don't care, they just want to take it easy now and bill the next generation. Who are the "parasites"? SOB Just about every reffo thats ever hit our shores for a start, thankfully Abbotts cleaned that mess up, hopefully he stops the legal reffos too, I'm sure he'd like to. That's such a load of bullshyt that it'd be laughable, were it not for the fact that you dumbasses actually believe it. Thats the information I have, if you have anything that proves me wrong please feel free to post it up.  ;) Welfare bludgers are a funny lot, not only do they want to sit around doing f*ck all while waiting for a handout they want half of the third world to come here and join them on the dole too. Then they do nothing but piss and moan at the people who feed them, ungrateful caarnts!   ;D

Yes, you've definitely swallowed the Kool-Aid.

How often does this have to be disproven before you accept that your
beloved stereotype comprises LESS THAN 1% of recipients?

It appears that whilst everyone agrees that welfare needs to be cut, they don't want it to effect them.

As I don't receive any benefits from the government it won't effect me.

Setanta wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 12:36pm:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:23pm: Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:18pm: woody2014 wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:11pm: Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:04pm: Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:55am: St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:51am: Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:40am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 7:11am: My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers! You poor thing - having to get a job. It did sound a bit like that Monthy Python sketch “And you tell the young people today that and they won’t believe you!” I know - I almost bought him a tiny violin! "Congratulations, you did what millions others have done as well - you got a job! Here is a gold star, a cookie and a medal!" I know one place we can cut - close down all of the JSA's and have a central jobs suppository (oops) repository. We DID have. It was called the Commonwealth Employment Service. The dog, Howard, dumped it in favour of the current shambles. ;) ;) ;)  So why didn't wonder boy and lards arse change it if it's so BAD  !  puddy cat   ;) They had  6   years   ;D ;D ;D Well, they did re-work it to make it more efficient, and removed some organisations which were rorting it. But of course, you idiots would have missed that.... But you still seam to be unhappy with the way it is.  ;) ;) Not allowed to be unhappy with it? Are you saying that anything Labor does we should applaud just because Labor did it like you mob do with everything the coalition do something? That makes sense :D

WHAT THU   ;)

Kat wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 12:44pm:

How often does this have to be disproven before you accept that your beloved stereotype comprises LESS THAN 1% of recipients?

Maybe on your planet, here on Earth though thats just not the case.  ;)

According to the dept of immigration 89% of reffos are still on welfare after five years as opposed to 20% of the wider community.
Bludgers and layabouts is all they are, just like you.  :)

woody2014 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 12:49pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:36pm: Not allowed to be unhappy with it? Are you saying that anything Labor does we should applaud just because Labor did it like you mob do with everything the coalition do something does? That makes sense :D WHAT THU   ;)

Hahaha, that was some bad typing, sorry. Better now?

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 12:52pm:

Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:44pm: How often does this have to be disproven before you accept that your beloved stereotype comprises LESS THAN 1% of recipients? Maybe on your planet, here on Earth though thats just not the case.  ;) According to the dept of immigration 89% of reffos are still on welfare after five years as opposed to 20% of the wider community. Bludgers and layabouts is all they are, just like you.  :)

Do you have any data to backup this up?

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 1:06pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:52pm: Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:44pm: How often does this have to be disproven before you accept that your beloved stereotype comprises LESS THAN 1% of recipients? Maybe on your planet, here on Earth though thats just not the case.  ;) According to the dept of immigration 89% of reffos are still on welfare after five years as opposed to 20% of the wider community. Bludgers and layabouts is all they are, just like you.  :) Do you have any data to backup this up?

You have trouble reading?

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 12:48pm:

It appears that whilst everyone agrees that welfare needs to be cut, they don't want it to effect them. As I don't receive any benefits from the government it won't effect me.

Who exactly is "everyone" since @ least 1/2the posters here are against it cutting money from already poverty stricken ppl?

SOB

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:06pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:52pm: Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:44pm: How often does this have to be disproven before you accept that your beloved stereotype comprises LESS THAN 1% of recipients? Maybe on your planet, here on Earth though thats just not the case.  ;) According to the dept of immigration 89% of reffos are still on welfare after five years as opposed to 20% of the wider community. Bludgers and layabouts is all they are, just like you.  :) Do you have any data to backup this up? You have trouble reading?

So you dont.

SOB

Stratos wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:31am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 8:24am: The no-brainer is to increase taxes across the board. Pretty sure if the Liberals did this they would be crucified.  Well anyone, but particularly a party where one of their policies is low tax

True, and I am anti-tax myself BUT if the reasons for the increase are apolitical then it's a necessary evil.

Such a proposal would require bi-partisan support or a hell of a big majority in both Houses.

New taxes are politically toxic.

It depends upon whether the Govt is there to Govern or to remain in power as long as they can. (normally it's the latter)

The Opposition (whether they agree with it or not) will use any tax increase as a tool to gain political mileage.  Labor did it with the GST and Abbott with the carbon and mining tax.

Swagman wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 1:52pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 8:31am: Swagman wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 8:24am: The no-brainer is to increase taxes across the board. Pretty sure if the Liberals did this they would be crucified.  Well anyone, but particularly a party where one of their policies is low tax True, and I am anti-tax myself BUT if the reasons for the increase are apolitical then it's a necessary evil. Such a proposal would require bi-partisan support or a hell of a big majority in both Houses. New taxes are politically toxic. It depends upon whether the Govt is there to Govern or to remain in power as long as they can. (normally it's the latter) The Opposition (whether they agree with it or not) will use any tax increase as a tool to gain political mileage.  Labor did it with the GST and Abbott with the carbon and mining tax.

That is what I said re bipartisanship being needed re tax increases.

But I think the two top brackets, who got the biggest cuts, should have the last 2-3 tax cuts reversed. Some of the money can then be used to boost NewStart which will in turn boost the economy.

Sorry but boosting Newstart is not going to boost the economy (except maybe pubs and pool halls) It's just going to encourage people to stay on it.

If I have to pay increased tax I don't want it paid to people to do nothing.

Put the extra cash into job generation with perhaps rewards for Newstart recipients to participate.  Bonus payments for those that stay in work for a set period and bonus payments for those that get additional qualifications.

When you reward something you get more of it.

Reward effort and you get more effort.  Reward being unemployed and you will just get more unemployed.  :(

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:06pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:52pm: Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:44pm: How often does this have to be disproven before you accept that your beloved stereotype comprises LESS THAN 1% of recipients? Maybe on your planet, here on Earth though thats just not the case.  ;) According to the dept of immigration 89% of reffos are still on welfare after five years as opposed to 20% of the wider community. Bludgers and layabouts is all they are, just like you.  :) Do you have any data to backup this up? You have trouble reading?

Not at all.

I was asking if you had any links to data to backup your "facts":

"According to the dept of immigration 89% of reffos are still on welfare after five years as opposed to 20% of the wider community."

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/the-truth-on-refugees-is-worse-than-fiction-20120729-2369z.html

The amount of workplace participation among refugees and asylum-seekers remains low for some time. After four years, only about 25 per cent are engaged in full-time work. (The issue is examined in a Department of Immigration report, Settlement Outcomes for New Arrivals, published in April last year.)

Not quite the 89% figure you had in mind.

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/research/_pdf/settlement-outcomes-new-arrivals.pdf

Swagman wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 2:10pm:

Sorry but boosting Newstart is not going to boost the economy (except maybe pubs and pool halls) It's just going to encourage people to stay on it.

Oh look, another person with absolutely no idea how macro economics works ::)

Stratos wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 2:15pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 2:10pm: Sorry but boosting Newstart is not going to boost the economy (except maybe pubs and pool halls) It's just going to encourage people to stay on it. Oh look, another person with absolutely no idea how macro economics works ::)

Oh, Swaggie just loves sinking the boot into the unemployed, between bouts
of denial that middle-class welfare exists.

He's another who believes if you're on the dole you always have been, always
will be, have never paid your way, are a drunk or druggie, have no skills or
ability to learn any, or are a housing trasher.

And that you're basically entitled to nothing.

Swagman wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 2:10pm:

Sorry but boosting Newstart is not going to boost the economy Um, yes. It will. Money getting spent, y'know... (except maybe pubs and pool halls) That old saw again. How often must this be discredited before you accept that it's wrong AND offensive?  It's just going to encourage people to stay on it. Too silly for words, and a blatant misrepresentation, designed to discredit and stigmatise the unemployed as bludgers. If I have to pay increased tax I don't want it paid to people to do nothing. What you want doesn't enter into it, I'm afraid. Personally, I'd prefer mine to go there, than to the working middle-class. Put the extra cash into job generation with perhaps rewards for Newstart recipients to participate.  Bonus payments for those that stay in work for a set period and bonus payments for those that get additional qualifications. Agree, but the rate must still be raised $100/fortnight for the rest. This is not negotiable. And if someone does WfD, then they should get a full day's pay for it, not a paltry $20/fortnight no matter how much or how little they do. When you reward something you get more of it. Looks like they've been rewarding selfishness, greed and self-interest, then. Reward effort and you get more effort.  Reward being unemployed and you will just get more unemployed. And you'll be getting that regardless. So, stop being greedy ass-wipes, and pony-up a fair go.   :(

As Shorty says...Abbott is happy to attack the poor, the weak and the lame but when it comes to handouts to the millionaires and billionaires he just keeps dealing out the cash.
Abbott is a fraud and a coward

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 1:57pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:52pm: Stratos wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 8:31am: Swagman wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 8:24am: The no-brainer is to increase taxes across the board. Pretty sure if the Liberals did this they would be crucified.  Well anyone, but particularly a party where one of their policies is low tax True, and I am anti-tax myself BUT if the reasons for the increase are apolitical then it's a necessary evil. Such a proposal would require bi-partisan support or a hell of a big majority in both Houses. New taxes are politically toxic. It depends upon whether the Govt is there to Govern or to remain in power as long as they can. (normally it's the latter) The Opposition (whether they agree with it or not) will use any tax increase as a tool to gain political mileage.  Labor did it with the GST and Abbott with the carbon and mining tax. That is what I said re bipartisanship being needed re tax increases. But I think the two top brackets, who got the biggest cuts, should have the last 2-3 tax cuts reversed. Some of the money can then be used to boost NewStart which will in turn boost the economy.

We should reverse the tax cuts that were funded by nonexistent mining revenue.

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 2:13pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:15pm: Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:06pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:52pm: Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:44pm: How often does this have to be disproven before you accept that your beloved stereotype comprises LESS THAN 1% of recipients? Maybe on your planet, here on Earth though thats just not the case.  ;) According to the dept of immigration 89% of reffos are still on welfare after five years as opposed to 20% of the wider community. Bludgers and layabouts is all they are, just like you.  :) Do you have any data to backup this up? You have trouble reading? Not at all. I was asking if you had any links to data to backup your "facts": "According to the dept of immigration 89% of reffos are still on welfare after five years as opposed to 20% of the wider community." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/the-truth-on-refugees-is-worse-than-fiction-20120729-2369z.html The amount of workplace participation among refugees and asylum-seekers remains low for some time. After four years, only about 25 per cent are engaged in full-time work. (The issue is examined in a Department of Immigration report, Settlement Outcomes for New Arrivals, published in April last year.) Not quite the 89% figure you had in mind. http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/research/_pdf/settlement-outcomes-new-arrivals.pdf

You're helping my argument ya buffoon  ;D

adelcrow wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 2:27pm:

As Shorty says...Abbott is happy to attack the poor, the weak and the lame but when it comes to handouts to the millionaires and billionaires he just keeps dealing out the cash. Abbott is a fraud and a coward

Don't worry crow brains there will still be plenty of dough for mental health.  ;)

Swagman wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 2:10pm:

Sorry but boosting Newstart is not going to boost the economy (except maybe pubs and pool halls) It's just going to encourage people to stay on it. If I have to pay increased tax I don't want it paid to people to do nothing. Put the extra cash into job generation with perhaps rewards for Newstart recipients to participate.  Bonus payments for those that stay in work for a set period and bonus payments for those that get additional qualifications. When you reward something you get more of it. Reward effort and you get more effort.  Reward being unemployed and you will just get more unemployed.  :(

Your offensive rant shows that you have not a clue about unemployment.

Let me give you an example to show you just how far off the mark you are.

There are unemployed people out there that have applied for hundreds of jobs. Some over a thousand. Do you know why they don't get hired? Many employers do not hire unemployed people. Not currently employed? That is a good enough reason for maybe 80% to 90% of employers to reject the application on sight. It's no wonder that so many people get discouraged in the job search to the extent that they give up or even kill themselves.

This is why paying subsidies to long term unemployed on finding employment will not work. It is not the job seeker that's rejecting resumes without a section marked "current employment" on them. It's not the job seeker that rejects applications without "recent experience" (you're not currently in work so get lost) or because they are "overqualified" (forget working your way up), or "we are a young office" (you are too old).

Oh yes, those bludgers on the dole are sucking the welfare budget dry, and sending us bankrupt.

In the fetid, narrow minds of conservatives, perhaps, but not in the real world
where it is essentially miniscule.

But just look at the slice covering wealthfare... >:(


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The Greens went into the last election with its welfare policy and lost 30% of its voter base

So Greens have no credibility

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 1:57pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:52pm: Stratos wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 8:31am: Swagman wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 8:24am: The no-brainer is to increase taxes across the board. Pretty sure if the Liberals did this they would be crucified.  Well anyone, but particularly a party where one of their policies is low tax True, and I am anti-tax myself BUT if the reasons for the increase are apolitical then it's a necessary evil. Such a proposal would require bi-partisan support or a hell of a big majority in both Houses. New taxes are politically toxic. It depends upon whether the Govt is there to Govern or to remain in power as long as they can. (normally it's the latter) The Opposition (whether they agree with it or not) will use any tax increase as a tool to gain political mileage.  Labor did it with the GST and Abbott with the carbon and mining tax. That is what I said re bipartisanship being needed re tax increases. But I think the two top brackets, who got the biggest cuts, should have the last 2-3 tax cuts reversed. Some of the money can then be used to boost NewStart which will in turn boost the economy.

After all the bullshyte this dick head has written, i'm now under the impression that this dick head owns and runs a labor higher company! and possibly a relative of Kevin Dudd's wife! I reckon I've hit the nail on the head here!

Maqqa wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 5:06pm:

The Greens went into the last election with its welfare policy and lost 30% of its voter base So Greens have no credibility

Surprise, surprise.................my prediction is that the Greens will will gone in 6 years!!!!!!!! hopefully sooner!!!!!!!!
it would only be another huge saving to the tax payer to rid this country of these thieving tax funded bastards

We should never have started this idiotic welfare system in the first place, tax cuts should have been used instead to provide assistance to the employed with children etc, the unemployed and disabled should be looked after by private charities and food stamps.
The compulsory super system should replace pensions for the retired also.

It is not rocket science, taxes must go up, or govt expenditures must go down.

Or most probably a combination of the two and a search for efficiencies.

Smaller adjustments now will be easier than larger adjustments later on when paying interest on loans is a significant and painful drain on the economy.   

Datalife wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 5:42pm:

It is not rocket science, taxes must go up, or govt expenditures must go down. Or most probably a combination of the two and a search for efficiencies. Smaller adjustments now will be easier than larger adjustments later on when paying interest on loans is a significant and painful drain on the economy.

Quite a sizable chunk of the populace just want their freebies now and f*ck the future consequences, thats a large voting bloc the ALP can depend on, even larger if they import hundreds of thousands of unemployed reffos too. 

Yeah—mining companies wanting to repatriate all their profits out of Australia, all those claiming the diesel rebate, those using super perks, FBT perks etc etc to reduce tax while maximising calls on public purse, negative gearing, OAP etc etc.

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 6:30pm:

Yeah—mining companies wanting to repatriate all their profits out of Australia, all those claiming the diesel rebate, those using super perks, FBT perks etc etc to reduce tax while maximising calls on public purse, negative gearing, OAP etc etc.

I cant help to notice your one line statement beneath your avatar............
"NBN the safeguard of our future prosperity"

You are delusional aren't you!
How could anyone take you seriously! and your a business owner?  ;D

If you had a brain you would see the sense in the contents of my sig.

The NBN would help business and education—because it will be ubiquitous, redundant, reliable and of huge bandwidth both up and down. Even now it can be run out on time and on budget. When completed GDP would be boosted by about $70Bn.

When people buy 4K TVs and want 4K TV programming the FTTH NBN will be run out after all, however much the shambles resent that. Stupid rules from top to bottom in the shambles.

De-registered User wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 6:41pm:

How could anyone take you seriously! and your a business owner?  ;D

He can't be taken seriously, according to his avatar he thinks he's a half ape / half abbott mutant with big ears too.  ;D

De-registered User wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 6:41pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 6:30pm: Yeah—mining companies wanting to repatriate all their profits out of Australia, all those claiming the diesel rebate, those using super perks, FBT perks etc etc to reduce tax while maximising calls on public purse, negative gearing, OAP etc etc. I cant help to notice your one line statement beneath your avatar............ "NBN the safeguard of our future prosperity" You are delusional aren't you! How could anyone take you seriously! and your a business owner?  ;D

No—I suggest you read a few sources like Paul Budde.

Why are the rightards here such grammar ignoramuses?

Look at this sentence of murdered English:

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and your a business owner

Firstly—using a conjunction to start a sentence.

Secondly—the word “and,” incorrectly at the start of the sentence should therefor have been capitalised “And.”

Thirdly—‘your’ should have been “you are” or “you’re.“

Once I have taught you correct English usage I might worry about you mangled and incorrect logic.

In the meantime—read some reputable sources by people who know.

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:33pm:

Firstly—using a conjunction to start a sentence. Secondly—the word “and,” incorrectly at the start of the sentence should therefor have been capitalised “And.” Thirdly—‘your’ should have been “you are” or “you’re.“ Once I have taught you correct English usage I might worry about you mangled and incorrect logic. In the meantime—read some reputable sources by people who know.

Idiot. 

Actually I take that back, I am smart enough not to judge peoples intelligence from spelling, nor to discount a cogent argument because of spelling errors.

I also recognise that a forum is a conversational format not a proof read proposal.

And not everyone has the benefit of an education.

But please, carry on carry on correcting other people whilst making mistakes of your own.  It is very amusing. 

In the meantime, avoid making egregious errors and I might even think about your content.

Everybody has had an education up to third year high school standard.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:11am:

My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers!

That's nothing. For my first job I had to walk seven miles, swim two rivers and climb a hill. Took me four hours there and the same to get back.

Kids today don't know they're alive.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 7:11am: My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers! That's nothing. For my first job I had to walk seven miles, swim two rivers and climb a hill. Took me four hours there and the same to get back. Kids today don't know they're alive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 5:41pm:

We should never have started this idiotic welfare system in the first place, tax cuts should have been used instead to provide assistance to the employed with children etc, the unemployed and disabled should be looked after by private charities and food stamps. The compulsory super system should replace pensions for the retired also.

There's always at least one retard who'll parrot this old saw.

Unworkable and discriminatory.

Kat wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 5:41am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 5:41pm: We should never have started this idiotic welfare system in the first place, tax cuts should have been used instead to provide assistance to the employed with children etc, the unemployed and disabled should be looked after by private charities and food stamps. The compulsory super system should replace pensions for the retired also. There's always at least one retard who'll parrot this old saw. Unworkable and discriminatory.

It would be a different story if they or anyone in their sphere was to be (hopefully not) in a car accident or got cancer or something and became  disabled.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 6:06am:

Kat wrote on Jan 22nd, 2014 at 5:41am: Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 5:41pm: We should never have started this idiotic welfare system in the first place, tax cuts should have been used instead to provide assistance to the employed with children etc, the unemployed and disabled should be looked after by private charities and food stamps. The compulsory super system should replace pensions for the retired also. There's always at least one retard who'll parrot this old saw. Unworkable and discriminatory. It would be a different story if they or anyone in their sphere was to be (hopefully not) in a car accident or got cancer or something and became  disabled. SOB

It's all tough talk, if their disability pension didn't go into the bank they'd be screaming blue murder. The usual rhetoric, it's ok for me, I deserve it, but don't anyone else dare to try it on.

It's always those 'others' that are milking the system.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:11am:

My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers!

Of course, the government is not after poor old pensioners but many rich seem to be drawing on welfare also. That should be investigated.

Now, another slant to this story of heroism , the children who rescued a mother of three (and expecting the fourth).

Let us hope that the breadwinner was a shift worker and this is not about another welfare breeder.

These are the people governments should be policing not the old, the genuinely sick or the sincere unemployed.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 6:37am:

What does he want?

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St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 6:45am:

Doesn’t seem to be anything there about kicking asset millionaires off the old age pension! Or removing the lurks the economic illiterate Costello put in by which the very rich can avoid tax using super, or removing corporate welfare like negative gearing and the diesel rebate. Nah, all about extracting pennies from those who only have pennies. A lot will be done but welfare will grow. The shambles is made up of idiots!

;D ;D ;D

If you organise a protest march on Canberra ~ I'll join you!  :)

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At the same time, the Coalition has ruled-out any changes to the Aged Pension and retirement system, despite this being one of the biggest and fastest growing areas of Budget expenditure and retirees receiving generous welfare support, in part due to an ineffective means testing system that allows wealthy retirees to receive taxpayer assistance.

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/01/the-coalitions-budget-class-war/

That is what I was talking about—asset millionaires! Then there are the ways the really rich can use super to reduce tax, a dodge not really available to most. The there are the FBT dodges. These tax expenditures are where attention needs to be placed but never are under the stinking Libs.

From Macrobusiness - What goes around comes around for Tony Abbot.


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One of the really difficult things about the Abbott government’s first term will be explaining to voters why – if the carbon tax repeal goes ahead – their standard of living continues to be eroded. …repeal or no repeal, the bigger issues that should have been debated in the House (but weren’t) are coming home to roost… Let’s start with rising unemployment… abolishing the carbon tax was supposed to fix that, remember? We will now watch relatively good GDP growth during the volume phase of that boom without jobs growth, and by 2016 realise that the carbon tax had little bearing on either… Then there’s [rising] inflation… Put those… factors together… and voters must realise that the carbon-tax impost on the 5 per cent of their income they spend on energy really didn’t matter at all… There’s not a lot that is fair in politics. Tony Abbott got away with murder as opposition leader, killing off Labor’s electoral prospects with the blunt instruments of carbon pricing, boats and debt and defict. Now, as structural forces way beyond his control ravage Australia, there will be little that’s fair about the negative press that generates for the Coalition.

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/01/what-goes-around-comes-around-for-abbott/

Yep. The fibs wanked on about all these issues before the election, now they are showing they can't handle it. I always maintained that this would be a good election for Labor to lose owing to the crappy economic conditions that will be foisted upon any Australian government to have to deal with over the next few years. Unfortunately, it will not be good for us the the fibs won power - they will not be able to handle adverse conditions without making a giant clusterf*ck of everything.