Of course just as in the murder, misery and mayhem spread by Muhammadanism all around the world today, Muhammad set the standard for sex with children as well:

Narrated 'aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).  (Book #62, Hadith #64)
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=aisha+nine+years+old&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

No true Muslim would proclaim that sex with 9 year old girls is off limits or they would be condemning the behavior of their own "messenger".

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YGLQQZTHoU0/Sa6s36hiLkI/AAAAAAAAHq4/T_05gJXnJFA/s400/Muslim_Marriage.jpg

While raping a child younger than nine years old may be frowned upon, that doesn't preclude the practice of "mufa’khathat", that is, having sex with infants and children, by "thighing":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RMUyAy9zU0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht0eJaXc2Is

However a highly regarded teacher like Islam's Ayatollah Khomeini, does not consider nine years old an age limit for raping a child, as in this case when he engaged in a one night "temporary marriage" with a 4-5 year old:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfBHEy76W6c

Thus we find the same spirit driving the Saudi men who gang raped a 3 year old (the demonic spirit of Satan himself - the spirit of antichrist):
https://www.google.com/#q=three+year+old+gang+rape+saudi

Consider:
http://www.topix.net/forum/religion/islam/TEUGJF3UEB38R1S7C

"Praise be to Allah and peace be upon the one after whom there is no [further] prophet.
After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand Mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shemary, the question forwarded to the committee by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421 (Islamic calendar). The inquirer asked the following:

"It has become wide spread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufa’khathat of the children (mufa’khathat literally translated means "placing between the thighs" which means placing the male member between the thighs of a child). What is the opinion of scholars knowing full well that the prophet, the peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, also practiced the "thighing" of Aisha - the mother of believers - may Allah be please with her.

After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply:
It has not been the practice of the Muslims throughout the centuries to resort to this unlawful practice that has come to our countries from pornographic movies that the kufar (infidels) and enemies of Islam send. As for the prophet, peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed his [male] member between her thighs and massaged it softly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his [male] member not like other believers."

Now when I posted regarding the wicked tribes whose destruction Yahweh ordered for the practices of sorcery, spiritism, divination, idolatry, incest, adultery, homosexuality, pedophilia, bestiality, ritualistic prostitution, and even sacrifice of children to idols, Stratos inquired as to how I knew they engaged in those activities. I indicated that a web search reveals the historical record and consideration thereof in the writings of scholars.
However a far better question to ask would have been, which of those evil practices are not engaged in even today?

In part of the account of their destruction we read:

Numbers 31:19 And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify [both] yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day.

As if to say "And if you get any on ya, wash it off!"

Now when we consider the "wide spread" Islamic practice of "mufa’khathat", and Muhammad's own rape of a 9 year old, we can begin to understand the possible extent of diseases that would have been spread throughout a community that engaged in incest, adultery, pedophilia, homosexuality, bestiality, ritualistic prostitution, likely spread across all ages, if some of today's Muslims are any indication. We can begin to see what life must have been like in an era a few thousand years ago, absent hospitals, medicine, or disease prevention let alone devices to aid in the same.

Yet Stratos condemns YHWH for His mercy, thus simultaneously advocating for the Canaanites, which is advocating for the perpetuation of all of their abominations accounted here, to have been taught to and propagated among YHWH's faithful moral people as well. As opposed to the merciful killing of them all, of which the innocent remain with the Lord today, rather than having to have been indoctrinated into engaging in the abominations of their parents, thereby separating them from the Lord forever. Stratos is advocating for what were in likelihood even disease ridden infants, to have instead suffered for a whole lifetime, rather than being saved from that fate through the mercy of a loving God.

Pedophilia is actually one of the few areas where Muslims will reject the Islamic principle of "don't forbid what God has permitted". Muhammed never mentioned anything to do with age of consent, despite giving details rules for every aspect of people's lives, including sex. There is no evidence that Aisha even reached puberty before Muhammed had sex with her. Despite pedophilia being permitted according to the basic doctrines of Islam, most Muslims insist that they should wait until a girl reaches puberty before having sex with he, though they are forced to permit marriage of pre-pubescent girls, as it is hard to deny that Muhammed did this. Of course, when they want to permit sex with girls of any age, that is just as easy. I think it is a good thing that most Muslims feel embarrassed about Muhammed's pedophilia and we should encourage that.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values#Pedophilia_and_child_brides

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 10:21pm:

Pedophilia is actually one of the few areas where Muslims will reject the Islamic principle of "don't forbid what God has permitted". Muhammed never mentioned anything to do with age of consent, despite giving details rules for every aspect of people's lives, including sex. There is no evidence that Aisha even reached puberty before Muhammed had sex with her.

That she was never able to bear a child may suggest more evidence of that.


freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 10:21pm:

Despite pedophilia being permitted according to the basic doctrines of Islam, most Muslims insist that they should wait until a girl reaches puberty before having sex with he, though they are forced to permit marriage of pre-pubescent girls, as it is hard to deny that Muhammed did this.

Since 'Aisha was 6 when they married.


freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 10:21pm:

Of course, when they want to permit sex with girls of any age, that is just as easy. I think it is a good thing that most Muslims feel embarrassed about Muhammed's pedophilia and we should encourage that. http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values#Pedophilia_and_child_brides

I think it is also productive to embarrass them with Muhammad's tall tale about riding on a flying donkey-mule one night, from Mecca to Jerusalem, then up to the blasphemous "paradise" of his overactive imagination and back to Mecca by morning. He even lied about praying in the temple of the prophets in Jerusalem, that the historical record tells us had been torn down 500 years prior to his ridiculous story. Many of Muhammad's illiterate 7th century followers, had the good sense to leave his cult, after hearing his preposterous nonsense about riding around on a flying donkey-mule. So what's up with his 21st century followers in this information age?
http://www.brotherpete.com/mohammeds_night_journey.htm

As you indicate, any truth a person can present to help a follower of Muhammad overcome Muhammad's cult altogether, will help. That is the only thing that will save future generations from being compelled to prostrating toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day, while praying in the "vain repetitions as the heathen do", in the names of the Arabian pagan's deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad.
http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj_umrah.htm

Here's a peek into such a future:

AP - December 06, 2006 MOGADISHU, Somalia - "Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an Islamic courts official said Wednesday, adding the edict will be implemented in three days."

By the way, thank you so much for that resource! I posted a thread for it in our forum.

You're welcome.

I've never heard the flying donkey-mule story before. Perhaps it just means a really fast donkey. What is a "donkey-mule" anyway?

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 8:50am:

You're welcome. I've never heard the flying donkey-mule story before. Perhaps it just means a really fast donkey. What is a "donkey-mule" anyway?

The name Muhammad  used is al-Buraq. He said it was longer than a donkey and shorter than a mule, so I exercise a little license for fun. He claimed each step was as far as a person can see. I don''t think he described wings, but how else could it have taken him too "paradise"? Generally pictured with wings, like the Greek's Pegasus or the Zoroastrian flying camel. At least the Zoroastrians were smart enough to make up the story with their fabled prophet riding on their buraq to the place where  their fabled ancestors were  supposed to have dwelt.

Muhammad actually claimed that he rode on one himself, from Mecca to Jerusalem, to the "paradise" of his overactive imagination, and back to Mecca by morning. More at the link (my site - safe).
http://brotherpete.com/mohammeds_night_journey.htm

Perhaps the most embarrassing thing is that even illiterate 7th century SW Arabian desert dwellers had the good sense to leave Islam after Muhammad tried to peddle this nonsense. This was shortly before he was perhaps, in part, laughed out of Mecca and skulked off to Medina with his tail between his legs.

It could be that the whole thing was made up as  a cover for an adulterous affair he got caught in.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/AbulKasem51209p4.htm

Quote:

I don''t think he described wings, but how else could it have taken him too "paradise"?

I'll give you three guesses.

That is an interesting article on Muhammed's sex life.

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 10:09pm:

Quote: I don''t think he described wings, but how else could it have taken him too "paradise"? I'll give you three guesses.

Of which only one, of any three, would be correct. It didn't, since there was no magic flying donkey-mule, any more than there was any Ali Babba's flying carpet! :-)
Though there is Islamic "tradition" that Solomon rode on a giant flying carpet along with a bunch of his stuff, or something like that. Give me a sec to find it.
Ah, that wasn't difficult:
https://www.google.com/#q=solomon+flying+carpet+islam

"He had a mat made of wood on which he would place all the equipment of his kingship; horses, camels, tents and troops, then he would command the wind to carry it, and he would go underneath it and it would carry him aloft, shading him and protecting him from the heat, until it reached wherever he wanted to go in the land. Then it would come down and deposit his equipment and entourage… (Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged) (Surat Al-Isra’, Verse 39 To the end of Surat Al-Mu’minun), by a group of scholars under the supervision of Shaykh Safiur Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors, Riyadh, Houston, New York, London, Lahore; First Edition: July 2000], Volume 6, pp. 476-477)"
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Sources/Legends/flying_carpet.htm

I wonder what kept him from getting squashed when the thing came down?!

And don't get me started on the talking ant!
http://www.brotherpete.com/fables_fantasies.htm


freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 10:09pm:

That is an interesting article on Muhammed's sex life.

Was Mo man a rapist.

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1492-was-muhammad-a-rapist.html

Or was he Gay.

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/107-khalaf/200-islam-halal-sexual-practices.html

What an eye-opener these few posts have been

I knew about The Little Green Book written by Ayatollah Khomeini and it's gut-churning, no offence.  Sex with infants and animals ?  Animal must be killed once the bestialist has raped it ?  Animal's to blame?  Sell the meat of the raped animal to those of another village for the rapist must not sell the meat of an animal he's raped to his own village ?

I just don't understand how young muslims who're educated in our country can bear to be part of the perversions preached by their clerics.  No.  I cannot understand why they don't reject it and all the other backwardness

What's wrong with them?  Do they truly believe it's right, in the common meaning of the word, to subject little kids to sex with old men?  Do they?

If they don't, why don't they reject it openly?  Why don't they walk away from such a backward culture?  Have they no courage?  Have they no brain?  Have they no sense of morality?  Have they no compassion for their younger siblings and cousins?

Why don't today's educated muslim younger generations stop the rot by rejecting it en masse?  Why do they go along with it? 

I don't understand them

I note that the only people who refer to the famous alleged "thighing" part of the Green Book are those who have never read the book.

I have heard people who claim to have read the book swear that the whole thighing thing is a complete fabrication.

Has anyone actually read the book, or can reference where exactly in the book it is contained?

http://islammonitor.org/uploads/docs/greenbook.pdf

Found a copy.

It's freakin' weird, with a lot about sweat for some reason.  It reads a lot like Leviticus to be honest, just a fair bit more graphic.

Quote:

I note that the only people who refer to the famous alleged "thighing" part of the Green Book are those who have never read the book.

I think you will find that every person on this forum who does not refer to the thighing thing has not read the book either.


Quote:

If they don't, why don't they reject it openly?

Because Muhammed had sex with a little girl. They have to be very coy about how they reject it.

PZ547 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 6:53pm:

What an eye-opener these few posts have been I knew about The Little Green Book written by Ayatollah Khomeini and it's gut-churning, no offence.  Sex with infants and animals ?  Animal must be killed once the bestialist has raped it ?  Animal's to blame?  Sell the meat of the raped animal to those of another village for the rapist must not sell the meat of an animal he's raped to his own village ? I just don't understand how young muslims who're educated in our country can bear to be part of the perversions preached by their clerics.  No.  I cannot understand why they don't reject it and all the other backwardness What's wrong with them?  Do they truly believe it's right, in the common meaning of the word, to subject little kids to sex with old men?  Do they? If they don't, why don't they reject it openly?  Why don't they walk away from such a backward culture?  Have they no courage?  Have they no brain?  Have they no sense of morality?  Have they no compassion for their younger siblings and cousins? Why don't today's educated muslim younger generations stop the rot by rejecting it en masse?  Why do they go along with it?  I don't understand them

well the sunni muslims who are majority don't adhere or follow the shia strand of islam which khomeieni preaches

Only the shia brand of islam believe in such nonsense.

That's a relief.  ::)

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 12:03am:

Of course just as in the murder, misery and mayhem spread by Muhammadanism all around the world today, Muhammad set the standard for sex with children as well:

Sounds like something Tony Abbott and the Liberal Party would be interested in.

wally1 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 7:59pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 6:53pm: What an eye-opener these few posts have been I knew about The Little Green Book written by Ayatollah Khomeini and it's gut-churning, no offence.  Sex with infants and animals ?  Animal must be killed once the bestialist has raped it ?  Animal's to blame?  Sell the meat of the raped animal to those of another village for the rapist must not sell the meat of an animal he's raped to his own village ? I just don't understand how young muslims who're educated in our country can bear to be part of the perversions preached by their clerics.  No.  I cannot understand why they don't reject it and all the other backwardness What's wrong with them?  Do they truly believe it's right, in the common meaning of the word, to subject little kids to sex with old men?  Do they? If they don't, why don't they reject it openly?  Why don't they walk away from such a backward culture?  Have they no courage?  Have they no brain?  Have they no sense of morality?  Have they no compassion for their younger siblings and cousins? Why don't today's educated muslim younger generations stop the rot by rejecting it en masse?  Why do they go along with it?  I don't understand them well the sunni muslims who are majority don't adhere or follow the shia strand of islam which khomeieni preaches Only the shia brand of islam believe in such nonsense.

So what is the minimum age for marriage with little girls in the homeland of Islam Saudi Arabia, do they even have a minimum age?

Stratos wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 7:25pm:

http://islammonitor.org/uploads/docs/greenbook.pdf Found a copy. It's freakin' weird, with a lot about sweat for some reason.  It reads a lot like Leviticus to be honest, just a fair bit more graphic.

Yes, I had a quick skim through that.

The alleged passage about thighing is this:


Quote:

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements recorded in The Little Green Book (“Tahrirolvasyleh”, fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990): » A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby.  However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable.

http://nocompulsion.com/fatwa-number-41409-thighing-is-this-a-religion-or-a-pornographic-film/

Perhaps the search facility on my pdf reader is a bit dodgy, but I can't find anything even remotely related to this. Could you?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 9:36pm:

Perhaps the search facility on my pdf reader is a bit dodgy, but I can't find anything even remotely related to this. Could you?

No.  There were some quite disturbing passages, but nothing regarding that.

I did chortle at a man being impotent is grounds for a woman to divorce him though.

Khomeini was a complete nutcase, and I do chuckle when people attempt to portray him as a legitimate and representative authority on islamic jurisprudence.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 9:56pm:

Khomeini was a complete nutcase, and I do chuckle when people attempt to portray him as a legitimate and representative authority on islamic jurisprudence.

This guy is a sunni , the aussie muslims forum rate him highly.

www.islamqa.info/en/10382

;D

There you go Gandalf. Sex slaves are for having sex with. Allah commands it.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 9:36pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 7:25pm: http://islammonitor.org/uploads/docs/greenbook.pdf Found a copy. It's freakin' weird, with a lot about sweat for some reason.  It reads a lot like Leviticus to be honest, just a fair bit more graphic. Yes, I had a quick skim through that. The alleged passage about thighing is this: Quote: Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements recorded in The Little Green Book (“Tahrirolvasyleh”, fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990): » A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby.  However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. http://nocompulsion.com/fatwa-number-41409-thighing-is-this-a-religion-or-a-pornographic-film/ Perhaps the search facility on my pdf reader is a bit dodgy, but I can't find anything even remotely related to this. Could you?

Forth version. Perhaps a different version than quoted from re thighing in Islam. Moot point where it comes from when we see the Islamic official ruling on this "widespread" practice, in the OP.
After all, rules are rules:

"If a man – Allah protect him from it! – fornicates with an animal and
ejaculates, ablution is necessary."

So if a Muslim does a donkey it's important to perform ablution afterwards!
UNLESS.....he doesn't ejaculate?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFAnOBqMrHU

Perhaps this sicko was just "Thighing"


"Court remands Islamic scholar in prison for allegedly raping minor"

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/158714-court-remands-islamic-scholar-prison-allegedly-raping-minor.html



" As for the prophet, his thighing his fiancée Aisha when she was six years of age and not able to consummate the relationship was due to her small age. That is why the Prophet used to place his male member between her thighs and massage it, as the prophet had control of his male member not like other men". :o

The only religions that i have heard of that allow sex with children is Judaism (sex with 3 years old girls permitted in the Talmudic scriptures) and the Catholic Church's tolerance of child rape by priests.

True Colours wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 12:47pm:

The only religions that i have heard of that allow sex with children is Judaism (sex with 3 years old girls permitted in the Talmudic scriptures) and the Catholic Church's tolerance of child rape by priests.

True, True, but this is the Islam board. The subject of this thread is sex with infants and children in Islam. You're just playing the typical Musel blame game and trying to point the finger at the Jews and paedophile priests.

Typical.

Remove this post, moderator. It's off-topic.

That's VERY normal in Islam.

I say she is VERY lucky if her husband does not call his fellow Muslim bachelor brothers and male friends to rape her, like how they always do in muslim countries like arabia and indonesia.

Been to Bali have you, Jackness?

wally1 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 7:59pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 6:53pm: What an eye-opener these few posts have been I knew about The Little Green Book written by Ayatollah Khomeini and it's gut-churning, no offence.  Sex with infants and animals ?  Animal must be killed once the bestialist has raped it ?  Animal's to blame?  Sell the meat of the raped animal to those of another village for the rapist must not sell the meat of an animal he's raped to his own village ? I just don't understand how young muslims who're educated in our country can bear to be part of the perversions preached by their clerics.  No.  I cannot understand why they don't reject it and all the other backwardness What's wrong with them?  Do they truly believe it's right, in the common meaning of the word, to subject little kids to sex with old men?  Do they? If they don't, why don't they reject it openly?  Why don't they walk away from such a backward culture?  Have they no courage?  Have they no brain?  Have they no sense of morality?  Have they no compassion for their younger siblings and cousins? Why don't today's educated muslim younger generations stop the rot by rejecting it en masse?  Why do they go along with it?  I don't understand them well the sunni muslims who are majority don't adhere or follow the shia strand of islam which khomeieni preaches Only the shia brand of islam believe in such nonsense.

Yeah the SUNNI musseys best example to date is ISIS or sisi the biggest bunch of criminal losers on the face of the earth. Its the shia that are allowed to pork animals and sell them to the next village.