Most of us are honest, and usually presume that others are as well, unless they give us reason to suspect otherwise. So when someone tells us something we often take it at face value as truth. Perhaps even more so, when someone poses as a "scholar", and takes to the stage under a pretense of educating their audience. Who would ever suspect that such a person would stand there and outright lie with a bold face? While politicians give us good reason for skepticism, who would ever suspect someone who is teaching about God would outright lie when he knew full well he was doing so, and even actually think he was serving God by doing so?
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#taqiyyah
The answer is made clear when we understand who they are actually serving, and particularly antichrists who DISbelieve the whole subject of the Gospel, and DENY the Son of God:

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

As a result millions of people have been duped into believing outright lies propagated by the dissimulators of Islamic propaganda. It is inconceivable for most of us to comprehend that a person could believe that a way to follow God would be to tell outright lies, to fool people into following Muhammad, but that is exactly what Islam's dissimulators like Ahmed Deedat, his disciple Naik and Yusuf Estes do, when engaged in Da'wah.

Until yesterday I figured it was only tens or perhaps hundreds of millions of Muslims that have been duped by their lies, through their vain wishes to believe Islam has something to do with the God of the Bible, other than it demonstrating that Muhammad's anti-religion is antichrist. However Adamant's post demonstrates that non-Muslims have been duped as well. Islam's liar's adoring, applauding, dupes really have only themselves to blame, as all they have to do is google the scriptures that are being lied about, to easily expose the naked lies of Islam's dissimulators through one of many online Bible resources.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=84&v=7&t=KJV#s=562007


Adamant wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 12:51pm:

Pete, Meeca was mentioned in 60 BC by a Greek. Islamic tradition attributes the beginning of Mecca to Ishmael's descendants. Many Muslims point to the Old Testament chapter Psalm 84:3–6 and a mention of a pilgrimage at the Valley of Baca, that Muslims see as referring to the mentioning of Mecca as Bakkah in Qur'an Surah 3:96. Also the Greek historian Diodorus Siculus who lived between 60 BCE and 30 BCE writes about the isolated region of Arabia in his work Bibliotheca historica describing a holy shrine that Muslims see as referring to the Kaaba at Mecca "And a temple has been set-up there, which is very holy and exceedingly revered by all Arabians".[28] Ptolemy may have called the city "Macoraba", though this identification is controversial.[29] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca

Here Adamant presents this simply, as factual and informational, without even realizing he has been duped into parroting a lie. Yet a little investigation would have precluded him from ever committing such a blunder:
http://religionresearchinstitute.org/mecca/archeology.htm
As even confirmed by an honest Muslim Eastern History teacher:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091231160732AAlTMZx

Yet these historical claims continue to be parroted, as if they could stand in for a 4,000, year pre-4th century, historical and archaeological record of Mecca!


Adamant wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 12:51pm:

Also gets a mention in your book of fairy tales. The Valley of Baca is mentioned in Psalm 84 of the Bible in the following passage: How lovely is Your dwelling-place, O Lord of Hosts. I long, I yearn for the courts of the Lord; my body and soul shout for joy to the living God ... Happy are those who dwell in Your house; they forever praise You. Happy is the man who finds refuge in You, whose mind is on the [pilgrim] highways. They pass through the Valley of Baca, regarding it as a place of springs, as if the early rain had covered it with blessing ... Better one day in Your courts than a thousand [anywhere else]; I would rather stand at the threshold of God's house than dwell in the tents of the wicked[9]

There are countless YouTubes and Islamic websites that parrot this big fat lie. Few things demonstrate the Islamization of Wikipedia more than this lie. As many times as I have put the only germane part of the verse - that gives us the specific location pin - back in, Islam's dissimulators take it right back out. Try editing Wikipedia yourself and see what happens.
http://www.brotherpete.com/baca_mecca.htm

Let's look at the part that was left out, and replaced by those dots, by Islam's liars and dupes:

"They pass through the Valley of Baca, regarding it as a place of springs, as if the early rain had covered it with blessing. They go from rampart to rampart, appearing before God in Zion.
10: O God, behold our shield, look upon the face of Your anointed.
11: Better one day in Your courts.....

Let alone that to suggest the pilgrimage detailed in Psalms 84 to Yahweh's temple in Jerusalem, is instead about the Quraish pagan's kaaba in Mecca, would mean YHWH's people turned their back on their temple in Jerusalem, to wander across 1200 kilometers of harsh, barren, unexplored, untraveled waterless desert, most of a millennium before the historical record informs us there was a caravan route established along the Red Sea. This in order to supposedly arrive in a town that did not even exist until the 4th century AD, and all just to march around the black stone idol and Kaaba, and then wander the 1200 kilometers back home to Jerusalem!

http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/0f137a10.png

The hundreds or even thousands of sites and videos that propagate this preposterous lie, is perhaps also an indication of so many folk's of this day and age, diminishing cognitive function and incapacity for independent critical thought. But what it demonstrates more than anything, is strong delusion that fills the vacuum, in the absence of a love of truth.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/strong_delusion.htm

Broke this out so it could be replied to separately:

Consider this ridiculous lie Deedat perpetrated, through a Bible verse of his own creation, in an effort to fool his Bible ignorant minions into believing that the First Epistle of John suggests that Muhammad was not antichrist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDslsWDzPIc

Yet all one has to do is to read the First Epistle of John, from the very same version Deedat pretended he was quoting from, to learn that everyone who denies that Jesus is the Son of God is exactly and specifically antichrist. Is an antichrist. Indeed there is perhaps no book in the Bible that makes it more clear that Muhammad's anti-religion is antichrist:

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/first_epistle_john.htm

Yet Deedat's adoring Bible ignorant minions, sit and clap and whistle at his lies, because of their vain wishes, that Muhammad's anti-religion had something to do with the scriptures and God of the Jews and Christians. Even as Islam is specifically and exactly antichrist as so clearly revealed through the only book that introduces and defines the term.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12  That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15  For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Yadda wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 10:55pm:

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12  That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15  For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Exactly yadda

Like the people who lie to you and say jesus is the son of god.

Christians=king of liars.

wally1 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 5:12am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 10:55pm: 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12  That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15  For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Exactly yadda Like the people who lie to you and say jesus is the son of god. Christians=king of liars.

You've got it exactly backwards Wally, because you follow filthy liars like those exposed in the OP, to follow Muhammad alone. That's why you have to reject Jesus Christ and His whole purpose. Denying the Son of God is what makes Muhammad's followers ANTICHRIST. Indeed makes you AN ANTICHRIST. It's what makes you a liar.

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
                           
1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
                     
2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.   

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Hundreds of verses in the Gospel reveal God the Father:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/god_the_father.htm
and THE Son of God:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/jesus_the_son_of_god.htm

Only ANTICHRISTS deny the Son of God.
Don't ever suffer under the delusion that you "believe in Jesus" as those foolish liars like Deedat have fooled you into believing, because being a Muhammadan you specifically deny and blaspheme the Messiah, Yeshua, Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/the_love_of_god.htm

Now why don't you go prostrate yourself toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and kaaba, and engage in Muhammad's adopted and adapted Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals.
http://brotherpete.com/hajj_umrah.htm

Estes was a former extremist priest.

Reverted to islam cause he knew Christianity didn't make sense and was a false doctrine.

Deedat probably coverted hunderds probably thousands of people to islam.Again people where deluded by their belief systems and only islam could give them the answers.

wally1 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 8:17pm:

Estes was a former extremist priest.

Estes was an unregenerate worshiper of mammon, who had only posed as a pastor. By his own admission, in his own testimony, he said that he and his father had been in it for the money. Being such a fat man, dressed in what looks like a white butcher's apron he wears like a tent, I'm guessing he's profiting even better as an antichrist who lies about God. For heaven's sake man, look at the tripe he peddles regarding Psalms 84, by editing the truth regarding the actual location out of the very passage to pretend it is about Mecca.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#dissimulation


wally1 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 8:17pm:

Reverted to islam cause he knew Christianity didn't make sense ........

While flying donkey-mules, talking ants, flying carpets transporting Solomon and his tents and armies, and the sun setting in a pool of murky water, do.


wally1 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 8:17pm:

....... and was a false doctrine.

He was simply an unregererate outside of the Spirit of God beginning to end, claimed by Satan, just as he is today. Just as you are today as an antichrist follower of Muhammad's anti-religion.


wally1 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 8:17pm:

Deedat probably coverted hunderds probably thousands of people to islam.

The tragic part is that nothing you can say, will make Ahmed Deedat ANY LESS OF A LIAR as I proved in the third post, yet instead of recognizing that FACT, you instead boast that liar brought people to Islam, through what are provable lies and deception. Can't you see how warped your defense of that liar is Wally?

Like Deedat fooling his bible-ignorant minions into believing that the First Epistle of John suggests Muhammad was not antichrist. Yet you never even checked to see if his preposterous buffoonery is true.

Instead of being just another one of Deedat's Bible-ignorant dupes, that sit there and dumbly clap because you like the way his lies tickle your ears, why don't you - just this once - actually read the passage about which he lies, and decide for yourself if he is correct? Do you have even a smidgen of capacity for critical through left Wally? Or are you finally just too disconnected from reality. The passage is copy and pasted, from the same version Deedat pretended to quote from, at this link:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/first_epistle_john.htm

The pit of hell is the only place Deedat ever led anybody, through his lies and deception, because he follows Satan himself who is the father of lies.

Do you really believe a good and just God would want people to follow Him through Islam's filthy antichrist liars that I exposed in the original post?
Do you really believe that a good and just God would make praying in Jesus name - as Christians have for nearly 2,000 years - to constitute the ONLY unforgivable sin? While child rape and cold-blooded mass murder are forgivable sins, both of which as it happens, your "messenger" was guilty of.


wally1 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 8:17pm:

Again people where deluded by their belief systems and only islam could give them the answers.

Answers from straight out of the pit of hell, through Satan's antichrist anti-religion, as transmitted through the power of the sword through his messenger Muhammad.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/

You reject the 1600 year record of the one true God of the scriptures Yahweh, as revealed through all of His prophets and witnesses, whose people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years, to follow the false prophet Muhammad alone, in the EXACT OPPOSITE.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm

A geographically reasonable 1600 year record, that is well supported through history, archaeology, particularly fulfilled prophecy and is even supported mathematically. Many pastors corrected Deedat's lies over the years, but he continued right on spewing, what he knew to be lies.

To follow a scripture-contrary, pre-Muhammad history-devoid, archaeology-absent, geographically-impossible, reality-denying Islamic so-called "tradition" - that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history, yet was all created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries AD without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 5th century AD. An anti-religion with a carnal tradition of prostrating toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and Kaaba in Mecca five times a day - located 1200 kilometers away from the Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs - while praying in the "vain repetitions as the heathen do" in the names of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad. Even performing thinly veneered Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals as the Quraish did before Muhammad was ever born, and "fasting" during Ramadan as the Sabian moon god worshipers did.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/origin_of_ramadan.htm

So waldo, you saying estes was a fraud?

Think most people know that the Christian clergy are frauds.

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 12:13am:

wally1 wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 8:17pm: Estes was a former extremist priest. Estes was an unregenerate worshiper of mammon, who had only posed as a pastor. By his own admission, in his own testimony, he said that he and his father had been in it for the money. Being such a fat man, dressed in what looks like a white butcher's apron he wears like a tent, I'm guessing he's profiting even better as an antichrist who lies about God. For heaven's sake man, look at the tripe he peddles regarding Psalms 84, by editing the truth regarding the actual location out of the very passage to pretend it is about Mecca. http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#dissimulation

"He that serves God for money, will serve the Devil for better wages."
Sir Roger L’Estrange







War booty ?

Isn't the prospect of all of that war booty ['take whatever you can, rape whoever you will'], a significant incentive for the 'faith' of many/all moslems ?




Quote:

"Mohammed told his followers that the earth and everything on it belonged to Allah. Since everybody but Mohammedans were infidels or kuffars (non-believers), Allah has awarded their lands, property, women and children to the true believers. This provided the 'theological' justification for divinely approved criminality of every kind....This tradition of Allah giving the Mohammedans permission take whatever they like from the infidels continues to the present day. All their ever-growing demands are just asking for what they regard as rightfully theirs in the first place, and the infidels can expect no thanks for giving it to them. Living with Islam is about give and take - we give, they take.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/09/8080-computers-worth-18-million-paid-for-by-american-taxpayers-go-missing-in-iraq.html#comment-714347

INFO sourced from...
http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/razzia-or-ghazwa-muslim-raids-of-rape.html






THE WHOLE WORLD BELONGS TO MOSLEMS

According to Allah, as per ISLAM's foundation texts, the Koran, and the Hadith....

"Or have they gods that can guard them from Us? They have no power to aid themselves, nor can they be defended from Us.
...See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"
Koran 21:43-44

"And He made you [moslems] heirs to their [non-moslem] land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things."
Koran 33:27

Yadda wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 10:29am:

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:13am: wally1 wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 8:17pm: Estes was a former extremist priest. Estes was an unregenerate worshiper of mammon, who had only posed as a pastor. By his own admission, in his own testimony, he said that he and his father had been in it for the money. Being such a fat man, dressed in what looks like a white butcher's apron he wears like a tent, I'm guessing he's profiting even better as an antichrist who lies about God. For heaven's sake man, look at the tripe he peddles regarding Psalms 84, by editing the truth regarding the actual location out of the very passage to pretend it is about Mecca. http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#dissimulation "He that serves God for money, will serve the Devil for better wages." Sir Roger L’Estrange War booty ? Isn't the prospect of all of that war booty ['take whatever you can, rape whoever you will'], a significant incentive for the 'faith' of many/all moslems ? Quote: "Mohammed told his followers that the earth and everything on it belonged to Allah. Since everybody but Mohammedans were infidels or kuffars (non-believers), Allah has awarded their lands, property, women and children to the true believers. This provided the 'theological' justification for divinely approved criminality of every kind....This tradition of Allah giving the Mohammedans permission take whatever they like from the infidels continues to the present day. All their ever-growing demands are just asking for what they regard as rightfully theirs in the first place, and the infidels can expect no thanks for giving it to them. Living with Islam is about give and take - we give, they take. http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/09/8080-computers-worth-18-million-paid-for-by-american-taxpayers-go-missing-in-iraq.html#comment-714347 INFO sourced from... http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/razzia-or-ghazwa-muslim-raids-of-rape.html THE WHOLE WORLD BELONGS TO MOSLEMS According to Allah, as per ISLAM's foundation texts, the Koran, and the Hadith.... "Or have they gods that can guard them from Us? They have no power to aid themselves, nor can they be defended from Us. ...See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?" Koran 21:43-44 "And He made you [moslems] heirs to their [non-moslem] land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things." Koran 33:27

So estes who was a fraudulent liar Christian according to waldo was the fault of muslims and war booty?

wally1 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 10:29am: "He that serves God for money, will serve the Devil for better wages." Sir Roger L’Estrange So estes who was a fraudulent liar Christian according to waldo was the fault of muslims and war booty?

Moslem 'logic', on display.





"So estes [the fraudulent liar Christian]....... was the fault of muslims and war booty?"

No wally1, but it was >> ISLAM << which attracted estes, 'the fraudulent liar Christian'!

In much same way, as the numbers of converts to ISLAM, are very high among the criminals the populations of Western prisons!


Google;
Western prisons, converts islam


Google;
British Rapists and Pedophiles Converting to Islam in Prison

Yadda wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

wally1 wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 11:01am: Yadda wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 10:29am: "He that serves God for money, will serve the Devil for better wages." Sir Roger L’Estrange So estes who was a fraudulent liar Christian according to waldo was the fault of muslims and war booty? Moslem 'logic', on display. "So estes [the fraudulent liar Christian]....... was the fault of muslims and war booty?" No wally1, but it was >> ISLAM << which attracted estes, 'the fraudulent liar Christian'! In much same way, as the numbers of converts to ISLAM, are very high among the criminals the populations of Western prisons! Google; Western prisons, converts islam Google; British Rapists and Pedophiles Converting to Islam in Prison

Well you do the crime you do the time.

Also converts high in Islamic nations,

Dubai: significant rise in conversion to Islam
As many as 2,115 residents from different nationalities reverted to Islam in 2013 at the Dar Al Ber Society located at the December02 Road in Bur Dubai.

Rashid Aljunaibi, Director of the centre, said this is a significant rise as 1,907 Arabs and foreigners embraced Islam in 2012 in comparison to 1,380 in 2011, 1,500 in 2010, and 1,059 in 2009.

“The new Muslims are originally from the Philippines, China, India, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Cameron, Kenya, Nigeria, USA, Italy, Germany, Britain, Ireland, Australia, Myanmar, Syria, Jordan, as well as Latin America.”

Aljunaibi said the centre spares no effort to introduce Islam to non-Muslims in the best, easiest, and most tolerant and persuasive way possible. “The centre distributed up to 56,215 books, brochures, CDs, and cassettes about Islam translated in several languages; English, Tagalog, Indian, and Chinese last year.”

He said people are attracted to the merciful and rational teachings of Islam which orders its followers to be honest, fair and kind to all people, irrespective of their religion, race, language and colour.

“A unified certificate is now issued to authenticate a new Muslim’s identity in association with the Dubai Courts, and the Department of Islamic Affairs and Charitable Activities in Dubai.”

Aljunaibi said the centre, since its inception in 1993, has seen the conversion of over 20,000 people from 200 different nationalities in the UAE.

Yadda wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

wally1 wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 11:01am: Yadda wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 10:29am: "He that serves God for money, will serve the Devil for better wages." Sir Roger L’Estrange So estes who was a fraudulent liar Christian according to waldo was the fault of muslims and war booty? Moslem 'logic', on display. "So estes [the fraudulent liar Christian]....... was the fault of muslims and war booty?" No wally1, but it was >> ISLAM << which attracted estes, 'the fraudulent liar Christian'! In much same way, as the numbers of converts to ISLAM, are very high among the criminals the populations of Western prisons! Google; Western prisons, converts islam Google; British Rapists and Pedophiles Converting to Islam in Prison

Regards;

Google;
British Rapists and Pedophiles Converting to Islam in Prison



wally1,

I wonder if those new moslem converts to ISLAM [i.e. people like former rapists and paedophiles] are transformed into reformed citizens, when they complete their sentences, and are released from prison ?

What do you think wally1 ?

wally1 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 10:29am: Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:13am: wally1 wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 8:17pm: Estes was a former extremist priest. Estes was an unregenerate worshiper of mammon, who had only posed as a pastor. By his own admission, in his own testimony, he said that he and his father had been in it for the money. Being such a fat man, dressed in what looks like a white butcher's apron he wears like a tent, I'm guessing he's profiting even better as an antichrist who lies about God. For heaven's sake man, look at the tripe he peddles regarding Psalms 84, by editing the truth regarding the actual location out of the very passage to pretend it is about Mecca. http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#dissimulation "He that serves God for money, will serve the Devil for better wages." Sir Roger L’Estrange War booty ? Isn't the prospect of all of that war booty ['take whatever you can, rape whoever you will'], a significant incentive for the 'faith' of many/all moslems ? Quote: "Mohammed told his followers that the earth and everything on it belonged to Allah. Since everybody but Mohammedans were infidels or kuffars (non-believers), Allah has awarded their lands, property, women and children to the true believers. This provided the 'theological' justification for divinely approved criminality of every kind....This tradition of Allah giving the Mohammedans permission take whatever they like from the infidels continues to the present day. All their ever-growing demands are just asking for what they regard as rightfully theirs in the first place, and the infidels can expect no thanks for giving it to them. Living with Islam is about give and take - we give, they take. http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/09/8080-computers-worth-18-million-paid-for-by-american-taxpayers-go-missing-in-iraq.html#comment-714347 INFO sourced from... http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/razzia-or-ghazwa-muslim-raids-of-rape.html THE WHOLE WORLD BELONGS TO MOSLEMS According to Allah, as per ISLAM's foundation texts, the Koran, and the Hadith.... "Or have they gods that can guard them from Us? They have no power to aid themselves, nor can they be defended from Us. ...See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?" Koran 21:43-44 "And He made you [moslems] heirs to their [non-moslem] land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things." Koran 33:27 So estes who was a fraudulent liar Christian according to waldo was the fault of muslims and war booty?

Let's take the part of your sentence that makes sense. I pointed out that Estes was a fraudulent Christian, since in his own testimony, he admitted that he and his father were in preaching for the money.

I said he is a liar, because he parrots one of the most popular lies in Islamic dissimulation, by claiming that Psalms 84 is about a pilgrimage to Mecca. Let's see if you have even a small bit of reading and comprehension ability left Wally. Here's the passage from the OP:

"They pass through the Valley of Baca, regarding it as a place of springs, as if the early rain had covered it with blessing. They go from rampart to rampart, appearing before God in Zion
10: O God, behold our shield, look upon the face of Your anointed.
11: Better one day in Your courts...."

Now Wally, does that passage indicate that the pilgrimage is in Mecca, or in Zion?
Next question. Why do you suppose liars like Estes leave out the only part of the verse that has to do with its location, and then claim it is about Mecca?
Because they want to tell the truth, or they want to dupe the weak minded and play to the applause of their adoring, Bible-ignorant minions?

Here's a copy and paste from the consummate liar Yusuf Estes web page on Psalms 84 (note the moneygrubbing fat man begs for "dua" before he even starts with the subject):
http://islamnewsroom.com/news-we-need/1961

"They pass through the Valley of Baca, regarding it as a place of springs, as if the early rain had covered it with blessing ... Better one day in Your courts....."

Gee Wally, why do you suppose Estes left out the part that says it is IN ZION?
For heaven's sakes man, Google it: Distance from Jerusalem to Mecca is: 755.1 Miles ( 1215.1 Kilometers / 655.7 Nautical Miles )
Look at a map:

http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/0f137a10.png

Once a person has been deceived by Satan - the father of lies - into believing they are licensed by their god to lie even a little, it is obvious the lying will know no limits. From expiating oaths to engaging in Dawah.

Taqiyya according to Sunni Muslim theologian Abu Ha-med Mohammad ibn Mohammad al-Ghazzali:

“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

For example Dawah, or proselytizing others into Muhammad's anti-religion, is considered by most Muslim scholars to be an "obligatory" "goal".
https://www.google.com/#q=Dawah+obligatory+goal
Since Islamic so-called "tradition" is scripture-contrary, history-contrary, archaeology absent and a geographical impossibility, it goes without saying that it would be more than difficult to convince someone they should join the fold without lying (like the Deedat and Estes examples in this thread), when questions arise.