Hi folk.  I have recently given up eating all meat and chicken (but I eat fish)...

It's been three weeks and I feel great!  So much more energy.  Are their any others of you who don't eat meat?

Also I wonder if I can expect some weight loss?  That would be nice though not the reason for the change in diet.

Good luck with that, Jaqs. I hope it's not permanent.

To my mind there's nothing more wasteful of life's innocent enjoyments than for someone to relinquish the tasty pleasures of all the protein meals.

My niece has denied herself years of cullinary pleasure by sticking to a vegetarian diet.

Very tragic, and hugely wasteful of many hours of yummy enjoyment.

When the undergraduate vegetarian fad becomes a life-long obsession, then you have a patient on your hands. A very stubborn patient. 

I hope you get over this quickly.

 

My sister drank that foul soy “milk” for years and gave herself osteoporosis  :D

She is vegetarian now for a few years, has a whole shelf of supplements  :D

Some vegetarian meals a week are fine but why deprive yourself of protein? Bacon and eggs hmmmmm!

Cheers Herbert.  I've been slowly giving up meat over a period of time and my most recent decision was to give up chicken as well.

It's a long term plan!  I've never enjoyed eating animals.
Though I do still enjoy fish. I also eat free range eggs.

Todays lunch is steamed silverbeet and courgettes (from my garden) and red cod - cooked in the microwave.

Hey George.  I guess because I eat fish I'm not a vegetarian?  Not sure of the rules!  But eat plenty of good stuff. 

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:55am:

My sister drank that foul soy “milk” for years and gave herself osteoporosis  :D She is vegetarian now for a few years, has a whole shelf of supplements  :D Some vegetarian meals a week are fine but why deprive yourself of protein? Bacon and eggs hmmmmm!

It's actually pretentious nonsense. It's a cult. It's a fad. It's a bit of a "Look at moi! Look at moi!" cry for help about personal problems that have nothing to do with food.

(Not you, Jaqs. The stereo-type doesn't apply to everyone).

The psychology of our eating habits and preferences is often a window upon our sex lives. In psycho-analytical terms it's a cousin of body-language analysis.

If a man has a craving for Hot Dogs, this should ring alarm bells with his wife or girlfriend. Donuts too. Bearded mussels are ok though.

The symbolism is obvious and disgusting.

I always avert my eyes whenever I enter a public eating place like Maccas or a shopping mall 'Food Hall', or God forbid, the cafeteria of a psychiatric hospital.  ::)

What's on people's plate reveals so much about them to the trained eye.

Those backyard barbecues where the boyz gather in a tight knot around the grill where rows of pork sausages are being rotated slowly with loving care ... ?

Say no more.

Next time you make a meal for yourself and put it on a plate ... be afraid ... be VERY afraid at what you may see there. The content AND the Rorschart patterns can be very disturbing.

My thing is more to do with me being an animal lover, and rescue worker.  Eating animals just doesn't sit well in my conscience anymore.  Right or wrong, it's how I feel so I've decided to make the change. 

I feel hypocritcal eating fish but so be it.  I also eat free range eggs and dairy product.  Full cream milk!  Love the stuff.  So really the change is just giving up chicken and meat.

Soy milk!!!!!  Yuck!  Disgusting taste imo.

As for Iron I have regular iron injections so given I'm monitored, I doubt my iron will drop too low.  The only supplement I take in my diet is flaxseed oil.

It's pescatarianism when you eat fish but not meat.

I eat a lot of lean meat, but mindfully. There is some kind of fish or meat in my meals at least a couple of times a day - more if you count eggs. I eat 6 small meals a day.

If I were you, I'd make sure I was eating lots of legumes and leafy greens. Possibly taking a supplement as well.

Just saw your other post about iron. Flaxseed is great. You can throw them in a smoothie in the morning for breakfast. Yum.

Wow a new word!  Cheers Annie.
I think lots of people call themselves vegetarians just because they don't eat red meat.  My mum eats chicken and still calls herself vegetarian! 

I can give myself a new label now!  Pescatarian!  Cool!

One way of increasing iron is via drinking orange juice while eating spinach. Vit C helps to unlock the iron.

I went vego the same way as you, red meat, then chicken, then seafood, then eggs.
Ebb and flow with eggs … i.e via cake.

Certainly a lot cheaper financially not consuming carcass.

Jaqs wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:19am:

Hi folk.  I have recently given up eating all meat and chicken (but I eat fish)...  Pescatarianism.  Good move. It's been three weeks and I feel great!  So much more energy.  Are their any others of you who don't eat meat?  More energy is one of the (many) benefits. Also I wonder if I can expect some weight loss?  That would be nice though not the reason for the change in diet.  You should lose weight, as long as you don't try to replace the meat with something else.  As long as you eat a balanced diet, there's no need to go filling your cupboards with lentils and soy beans.  And no, a balanced diet does not have to include red meat and chicken.

I am surprised actually at how many people don't eat red meat. 

Greens did you notice a weight change after giving up meat? I'm 49 (coming up 50) and at that age when weight can creep on!  So I am hoping the diet change will benefit in some weight loss as well.  I certainly won't be doing a drive though at macca's etc anymore! 

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 9:56am:

Jaqs wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 8:19am: Hi folk.  I have recently given up eating all meat and chicken (but I eat fish)...  Pescatarianism.  Good move. It's been three weeks and I feel great!  So much more energy.  Are their any others of you who don't eat meat?  More energy is one of the (many) benefits. Also I wonder if I can expect some weight loss?  That would be nice though not the reason for the change in diet.  You should lose weight, as long as you don't try to replace the meat with something else.  As long as you eat a balanced diet, there's no need to go filling your cupboards with lentils and soy beans.  And no, a balanced diet does not have to include red meat and chicken.

Cheers!  I will keep you all informed of my progress over the coming months and look forward to your encouragement!
Thanks!

Jaqs wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 9:56am:

I am surprised actually at how many people don't eat red meat.  Greens did you notice a weight change after giving up meat? I'm 49 (coming up 50) and at that age when weight can creep on!  So I am hoping the diet change will benefit in some weight loss as well.  I certainly won't be doing a drive though at macca's etc anymore!

Avoid the temptation of having more bread, pasta, or rice etc. in place of the meat.  That's a trap many vegetarians fall into, and they can quite often end up gaining weight.

If you do want to increase the size of your meal, it's better to add more vegetables, or drink a large glass of water first (a bit boring, I know).

Jaqs wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 9:29am:

My thing is more to do with me being an animal lover, and rescue worker.  Eating animals just doesn't sit well in my conscience anymore.  Right or wrong, it's how I feel so I've decided to make the change.

 

You've got it from the wrong end, or the wrong way round ~ whichever applies.

The reason we have as many cows and sheep alive in the fields today is because we eat them. Otherwise there would be less an 10% of what is alive today, as scrub bulls and wild goats. 

Millions of sheep and cattle are enjoying their lives today only because they are destined for the dinner table.

Same with chickens and pigs.

The moral of the story is that you have to eat cows, sheep, pigs and chickens in order to save them.  8-)

It's like in Vietnam where they had to destroy a village in order to save it.

I hope that's cleared it up for you, Jaqs.

You can now return to a meat diet with a clear conscience.  8-) 

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 10:09am:

Jaqs wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 9:56am: I am surprised actually at how many people don't eat red meat.  Greens did you notice a weight change after giving up meat? I'm 49 (coming up 50) and at that age when weight can creep on!  So I am hoping the diet change will benefit in some weight loss as well.  I certainly won't be doing a drive though at macca's etc anymore!  Avoid the temptation of having more bread, pasta, or rice etc. in place of the meat.  That's a trap many vegetarians fall into, and they can quite often end up gaining weight. If you do want to increase the size of your meal, it's better to add more vegetables, or drink a large glass of water first (a bit boring, I know).

Good advice! Thanks

I used to live by that theory Herbert.  But not anymore.  The slaughter is not worth the short life. Chickens especially have it bad and interestingly enough often people will eat chicken and not read meat.

Anyway don't wish to turn this discussion that way.  Hence I was a little reluctant to give my reasons for changing diet.

Lets keep it on the diet options and some good ideas on cooking vege options.

Jaqs wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 1:47pm:

I used to live by that theory Herbert.  But not anymore.  The slaughter is not worth the short life. Chickens especially have it bad and interestingly enough often people will eat chicken and not read meat. Anyway don't wish to turn this discussion that way.  Hence I was a little reluctant to give my reasons for changing diet. Lets keep it on the diet options and some good ideas on cooking vege options.

My apologies.

Smoked cod gently simmered for exactly 10 minutes in half an inch of milk is delicious when splashed with a little mint sauce.

Hey that sounds yum!
Might try that tomorrow.

I usually cook fish in the oven on bake - wrapped in foil with a few slices of onion, a bit of lemon and dill.

But today I cooked it in the microwave.

Jaqs wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 3:10pm:

Hey that sounds yum! Might try that tomorrow. I usually cook fish in the oven on bake - wrapped in foil with a few slices of onion, a bit of lemon and dill. But today I cooked it in the microwave.

Sounds great ~ the oven cooked fish. For myself, I would never use the microwave for cooking. It's strictly a defrosting and re-heating tool for me.

If you are going to cook some smoked cod, be sure to have the skin topside, and baste it with the simmering milk from time to time. After 10 minutes slide the skin off the fillet with a fork. It should just slide off with no effert at all.

I'm sure you know this.

Great with peas and mashed potatoes.  :)

Jaqs wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:19am:

Hi folk.  I have recently given up eating all meat and chicken (but I eat fish)... It's been three weeks and I feel great!  So much more energy.  Are their any others of you who don't eat meat? Also I wonder if I can expect some weight loss?  That would be nice though not the reason for the change in diet.

I've lived on a pescetarian diet for the past 8 years or so. My main reason has also been health. I feel much better on it. Meat always used to make me feel "dull". I had more of an "edge" in life when I stopped, and I felt years younger with more energy.  You can get plenty of protein from fish and even legumes.

I don't think it's for everyone, but I benefited from it, and my son's partner said the same. She felt sick when she went back to meat for a while and is much happier (and focused) these days on her pescatarian diet.

By pescetarian, I mean all seafood.  I don't know why anyone would eat tilapia or cod though. I prefer reef fish.  Australian fish is generally far superior to European.   10 minutes simmered in milk would be overcooked for me but it comes down to individual preference.

If you like spicy food, get yourself a packet of Thai fish cakes from the Thai or Asian supermarket.  It costs $15 but will last quite a while if frozen. I much prefer that to any "not burgers" or other soy based products. The only soy product I like to eat a lot is tempeh. You can cut it thin and grill or oven bake it to a crisp. Nice with soy sauce - tastes like crispy bacon.

On a pescetarian diet, you still have to use common sense. Oily chips and fried fish don't really do much for you.  Some people can have perfectly healthy diets which include meat too. I'm just not one of them.

eeeeeeveryones an expert.

... wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 7:58pm:

eeeeeeveryones an expert.

Not me!  I'm not an expert!  I'm here for advice and encouragement and reading these posts has been helpful!

Hey Muso, do you eat egg?  And just out of interest, how often do you eat fish? 

Jaqs wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

I'm here for advice and encouragement and reading these posts has been helpful!

Has it?

What results has this advice led to?

... wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

Jaqs wrote on Feb 5th, 2014 at 2:10pm: I'm here for advice and encouragement and reading these posts has been helpful! Has it? What results has this advice led to?

haha!  Well for starters I didn't know that I was on a pescetarian diet!  And I just love labels!  So this has encouraged me to keep going! 

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 9:56am:

Jaqs wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 8:19am: It's been three weeks and I feel great!  So much more energy.  Are their any others of you who don't eat meat?  More energy is one of the (many) benefits.

Why would a meatless diet result in more energy? Sounds like a placebo to me.
I would expect the opposite unless you were careful about replacing the protein you are missing out on.

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 9:56am: Jaqs wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 8:19am: It's been three weeks and I feel great!  So much more energy.  Are their any others of you who don't eat meat?  More energy is one of the (many) benefits. Why would a meatless diet result in more energy? Sounds like a placebo to me. I would expect the opposite unless you were careful about replacing the protein you are missing out on.

Nonsense.  Meat industry propaganda.

http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?3749-More-less-energy-on-a-vegan-diet

"Contrary to popular belief, most vegetarians usually have enough protein and calcium (found in dairy products) in their diet."

http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegetarianmealguide.aspx

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 5th, 2014 at 3:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 9:56am: Jaqs wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 8:19am: It's been three weeks and I feel great!  So much more energy.  Are their any others of you who don't eat meat?  More energy is one of the (many) benefits. Why would a meatless diet result in more energy? Sounds like a placebo to me. I would expect the opposite unless you were careful about replacing the protein you are missing out on. Nonsense.  Meat industry propaganda. http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?3749-More-less-energy-on-a-vegan-diet "Contrary to popular belief, most vegetarians usually have enough protein and calcium (found in dairy products) in their diet." http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegetarianmealguide.aspx

OK.......but why would you have MORE energy?

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5th, 2014 at 3:25pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 5th, 2014 at 3:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 9:56am: Jaqs wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 8:19am: It's been three weeks and I feel great!  So much more energy.  Are their any others of you who don't eat meat?  More energy is one of the (many) benefits. Why would a meatless diet result in more energy? Sounds like a placebo to me. I would expect the opposite unless you were careful about replacing the protein you are missing out on. Nonsense.  Meat industry propaganda. http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?3749-More-less-energy-on-a-vegan-diet "Contrary to popular belief, most vegetarians usually have enough protein and calcium (found in dairy products) in their diet." http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegetarianmealguide.aspx OK.......but why would you have MORE energy?

"You’ll have more energy. Good nutrition generates more usable energy——energy to keep pace with the kids, tackle that home improvement project or have better sex more often, Michael F. Roizen, MD, says in The RealAge Diet. Too much fat in your bloodstream means that arteries won’’t open properly and that your muscles won’’t get enough oxygen. The result? You feel zapped. Balanced vegetarian diets are naturally free of cholesterol-laden, artery-clogging animal products that physically slow us down and keep us hitting the snooze button morning after morning. And because whole grains, legumes, fruits and vegetables are so high in complex carbohydrates, they supply the body with plenty of energizing fuel."

http://www.vegetariantimes.com/article/why-go-veg-learn-about-becoming-a-vegetarian/

many blessings ,

change in diet you say ?

just be aware of this ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXRj0GQvI2k

Big Money Is Feeding Us Plastic

Published on Feb 4, 2014
Vani "The Food Babe" Hari discovered that Subway makes bread with an ingredient called azodicarbonamide. It can be found in almost all the breads at Subway restaurants here in North America, but not in Europe, Australia or other parts of the world.

http://foodbabe.com/2013/09/23/are-you-eating-this-ingredient-banned-all-over-the-world/

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FOOD BABE TV: Are You Eating This Ingredient Banned All Over The World?
By Food Babe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_mZm_BMiIg

Azodicarbonamide 101
Azodicarbonamide is a yellow orangish powder, more commonly used commercially in the creation of foamed plastics – like yoga mats, shoe soles, floor mats and window gaskets.
The FDA allows food companies to use azodicarbonamide as a flour bleaching agent and dough conditioner in any food product giving it a status of GRAS or “Generally Regarded As Safe”.
But, the FDA doesn’t even keep track of the companies who use azodicarbonamide as an ingredient. The lack of information leads the FDA to not update or include an toxicity information about this ingredient in its EAFUS or “Everything Added to Food in the United States” database.
When a truck carrying azodicarbonamide overturned on a Chicago highway in 2001, it prompted city officials to issue the highest hazardous materials alert and evacuate people within a half mile radius! Many of the people on the scene complained of burning eyes and skin irritation as a result. (Source: Pandora’s Lunchbox by Melanie Warner)
The U.K. has recognized azodicarbonamide as a potential cause of asthma if inhaled, and advises against its use in people who have sensitivity to food dye allergies and other common allergies in food, because it can exacerbate the symptoms.
The World Health Organization (WHO) studied azodicarbonamide, and also linked it to asthma and other allergic reactions.
When azodicarbonamide partially degrades with the heat of processing, it forms trace amounts of semicarbazide, which shows carcinogenicity that can result in tumors over time.
The United States is one of the only countries in the world that still allows this ingredient in our food supply. It is banned as a food additive in the U.K., Europe, and Australia, and if you get caught using it in Singapore you can get up to 15 years in prison and be fined $450,000. I’d like to see the head of the FDA put in jail for allowing it, wouldn’t you?

Popular Products That Contain Azodicarbonamide
Sara Lee (many of their breads, bagels, etc.)

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These are just a few examples, but there are many more companies that use azodicarbonamide in their products (Pizza Hut, Publix Grocery Store, Jason’s Deli, etc)

Why The Heck Are Companies Using This Ingredient?
Dough conditioners allow companies to pass off chemically processed cheap food as “freshly baked” because it recreates perfect, evenly packed air pockets within the dough, improving the texture after coming out of large industrial machines from processing. If a company uses azodicarbonamide as a flour bleaching agent it speeds up the processing, making bread larger and whiter than normal. Faster processing with cheaper ingredients = more money in Big Food pockets.

The Next Time You See Your Friends or Family, Ask Them:

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Remember to buy organic bakery goods that prohibit the use of highly questionable chemical ingredients like azodicarbonamide and other dough conditioners. Please spread the word and share this video with everyone you know… no one should be eating yoga mats, their shoe sole or a floor mat. Yuck.
Till next time…

Food Babe

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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 5th, 2014 at 3:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5th, 2014 at 3:25pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 5th, 2014 at 3:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 9:56am: Jaqs wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 8:19am: It's been three weeks and I feel great!  So much more energy.  Are their any others of you who don't eat meat?  More energy is one of the (many) benefits. Why would a meatless diet result in more energy? Sounds like a placebo to me. I would expect the opposite unless you were careful about replacing the protein you are missing out on. Nonsense.  Meat industry propaganda. http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?3749-More-less-energy-on-a-vegan-diet "Contrary to popular belief, most vegetarians usually have enough protein and calcium (found in dairy products) in their diet." http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegetarianmealguide.aspx OK.......but why would you have MORE energy? "You’ll have more energy. Good nutrition generates more usable energy——energy to keep pace with the kids, tackle that home improvement project or have better sex more often, Michael F. Roizen, MD, says in The RealAge Diet. Too much fat in your bloodstream means that arteries won’’t open properly and that your muscles won’’t get enough oxygen. The result? You feel zapped. Balanced vegetarian diets are naturally free of cholesterol-laden, artery-clogging animal products that physically slow us down and keep us hitting the snooze button morning after morning. And because whole grains, legumes, fruits and vegetables are so high in complex carbohydrates, they supply the body with plenty of energizing fuel." http://www.vegetariantimes.com/article/why-go-veg-learn-about-becoming-a-vegetarian/

I think you will find that is vegetarian industry propaganda

Good nutrition generates more energy, but a well balanced omnivorous diet is no less nutritious than a well balanced vegetarian one.

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5th, 2014 at 3:33pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 5th, 2014 at 3:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5th, 2014 at 3:25pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 5th, 2014 at 3:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 9:56am: Jaqs wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 8:19am: It's been three weeks and I feel great!  So much more energy.  Are their any others of you who don't eat meat?  More energy is one of the (many) benefits. Why would a meatless diet result in more energy? Sounds like a placebo to me. I would expect the opposite unless you were careful about replacing the protein you are missing out on. Nonsense.  Meat industry propaganda. http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?3749-More-less-energy-on-a-vegan-diet "Contrary to popular belief, most vegetarians usually have enough protein and calcium (found in dairy products) in their diet." http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegetarianmealguide.aspx OK.......but why would you have MORE energy? "You’ll have more energy. Good nutrition generates more usable energy——energy to keep pace with the kids, tackle that home improvement project or have better sex more often, Michael F. Roizen, MD, says in The RealAge Diet. Too much fat in your bloodstream means that arteries won’’t open properly and that your muscles won’’t get enough oxygen. The result? You feel zapped. Balanced vegetarian diets are naturally free of cholesterol-laden, artery-clogging animal products that physically slow us down and keep us hitting the snooze button morning after morning. And because whole grains, legumes, fruits and vegetables are so high in complex carbohydrates, they supply the body with plenty of energizing fuel." http://www.vegetariantimes.com/article/why-go-veg-learn-about-becoming-a-vegetarian/ I think you will find that is vegetarian industry propaganda Good nutrition generates more energy, but a well balanced omnivorous diet is no less nutritious than a well balanced vegetarian one.

This is not propaganda:

"Too much fat in your bloodstream means that arteries won’’t open properly and that your muscles won’’t get enough oxygen. The result? You feel zapped."

because it takes more energy to digest red meat than fish, whiet meat and veegatbles. 

Of course, if you bother to chew it properly, there's not much differnce at all.  But who's got time for that these days eh?

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:17pm:

Why would a meatless diet result in more energy?

... wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

because it takes more energy to digest red meat than fish, whiet meat and veegatbles.  Of course, if you bother to chew it properly, there's not much differnce at all.  But who's got time for that these days eh?

A lot of stuff grown broadacre—grains, legumes—kills a LOT more life—small mammals, reptiles even birds as the plough goes over them.

As to more energy—my sister, when she comes to visit, plunks herself down on the coach and sits there, seeming to try and drain energy out of the room. Loony toons stuff.

To respect the life taken away to provide me with meat and bacon etc I have decided to eat more “odd bits” like tongues, sweetbreads and offal. Use and enjoy more bones too—rich marrow.

Not to eat some animal protein is unnatural and deprives you of a pleasure of the earth.

... wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

because it takes more energy to digest red meat than fish, whiet meat and veegatbles.  Of course, if you bother to chew it properly, there's not much difference at all.  But who's got time for that these days eh?

You can chew red meat like a cow for a long time before you swallow, and it won't make much difference to the digestion of the meat. Your liver has to digest the meat after what the stomach does to it. Trust me, I had a steak dinner (a big steak) for dinner last night, and I was hungry again an hour after eating. Your digestion depends on your hunger levels. If you are an over eater like myself, your body begins to increase the metabolism, even if you are eating enough to put on the weight. But if you have an afternoon without eating, and a light lunch, your metabolism slows slightly, but will be fast enough to burn off something filling like steak.

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:41pm:

You can chew red meat like a cow for a long time before you swallow, and it won't make much difference to the digestion of the meat.

yes it will.  It's very simple - chewing increases the surface area, thus facilitating quicker break down in the stomach. 

Eating like a pig isn't just about how much you eat, it's also how you eat it.

Thnk of it in the same way as tyou would if you were trying to defrost a piece of meat.

you can leave it in one big frozen lump and it takes much more time and energy as it would if you broke it up into smaller pieces.

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:13am:

Not to eat some animal protein is unnatural and deprives you of a pleasure of the earth.

No, it's not.

Losing weight is simple mathematics...

and if I hear about legume beans one more time i'll puke...

If someone says vegetarian the very next thing out some "expert" mouth is legume...

for goodness sake...   ::)

Btw, if you want to live longer go on a Mediterranean diet...  they have about 80% less rates of heart failure... or something like that...

I can't stand much seafood etc so I have fish oil tablets each day...

Don't eat crumbled fish btw...

My point being that the food gets digested according to your metabolic rate. Whereas cutting out red meat from your diet isn't going to help with your weight loss. It's the fat content with which that you should be concerned.

... wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 5th, 2014 at 3:17pm: Why would a meatless diet result in more energy? ... wrote on Feb 5th, 2014 at 3:57pm: because it takes more energy to digest red meat than fish, whiet meat and veegatbles.

That is a myth. Things like legumes, broccoli, potato and pasta are harder to digest than meat. Why do you think that cows have 4 stomachs and basicly have to spend their whole waking hours eating?

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:51pm:

My point being that the food gets digested according to your metabolic rate. Whereas cutting out red meat from your diet isn't going to help with your weight loss. It's the fat content with which that you should be concerned.

Cutting out red meat from your diet certainly will help with weight loss, as long as it isn't replaced by anything.

That's the mistake many people make: they cut out red meat but then fill up their plate with something else (an extra potato, or another bread roll, for example.)

The average person doesn't need as much protein as they think.

Beans, nuts, vegetables, and grains will do the job.

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The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 9:07am:

... wrote on Feb 5th, 2014 at 3:59pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 5th, 2014 at 3:17pm: Why would a meatless diet result in more energy? ... wrote on Feb 5th, 2014 at 3:57pm: because it takes more energy to digest red meat than fish, whiet meat and veegatbles.  That is a myth. Things like legumes, broccoli, potato and pasta are harder to digest than meat. Why do you think that cows have 4 stomachs and basicly have to spend their whole waking hours eating?

Cows don't eat legumes broccoli potato or pasta, nor do they cook their food.  And only 1 of those is a vegetable - one noted for its fibre content.

If you didn't want to know the answer, why did you ask the question?

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:51pm:

My point being that the food gets digested according to your metabolic rate. Whereas cutting out red meat from your diet isn't going to help with your weight loss. It's the fat content with which that you should be concerned.

I wasn't talking about weight loss.  The question was why would cutting out red meat (feel like) you have more energy.

I don't know the answer to that but I can say that I  certainly feel like I have more energy and I have always found red meat hard to digest.  (I've had two lots of stomach surgery - which might add to the problem)... but that aside, I'm enjoying the change in diet.  I don't eat a lot of beans etc... More fresh fruit and vege with it being summer.  I'm not bloated at night like usual.

My main motive is not for weight loss, but I was keen to know if others experienced weight loss with this type of diet. 

Im on the green smoothie thing. Green smoothie for breakfast, made up of kale, ginger and blueberries with protein  powder. Never had so much energy, Im an athlete so really feel the difference in energy levels, also body fat percentage has decresaed dramatically without losing any muscle mass, I have maintained the same weight but waist size has gone down a couple of notches. still eat plenty of red meat though, tried cutting it out years ago and felt very weak without it.

ian wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Im on the green smoothie thing. Green smoothie for breakfast, made up of kale, ginger and blueberries with protein  powder. Never had so much energy, Im an athlete so really feel the difference in energy levels, also body fat percentage has decresaed dramatically without losing any muscle mass, I have maintained the same weight but waist size has gone down a couple of notches. still eat plenty of red meat though, tried cutting it out years ago and felt very weak without it.

What do you use?  A NutriBullet?  Any good?

Here's some nice ways to enjoy a variety of healthy water drinks.

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Yesterday I added:  lemon, cucumber, watermelon and mint.  Left it overnight and it has a spicy taste.

Refreshing and healthy! 

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 9:51pm: My point being that the food gets digested according to your metabolic rate. Whereas cutting out red meat from your diet isn't going to help with your weight loss. It's the fat content with which that you should be concerned. Cutting out red meat from your diet certainly will help with weight loss, as long as it isn't replaced by anything. That's the mistake many people make: they cut out red meat but then fill up their plate with something else (an extra potato, or another bread roll, for example.) The average person doesn't need as much protein as they think. Beans, nuts, vegetables, and grains will do the job.

that's because after they eat their salad they are still fricken starving...

get a bit of meat into your guts and you'll feel satisfied and full...

.............

people always "crap on" about a "balanced" diet...

just eat a balanced diet...

but never tell you what this is...

sure a balanced diet is what everyone should have but its the "amount" most people stuff up...

they load their plates up with mountains of a "balance diet"....

so this is where they go wrong...

its the "AMOUNT" .....

you need to learn how many calories is in everything you eat and then adjust the amount you eat....

but how many calories can you have a day?

depends on how many you burn in a day and how active you are....

if you know this then keeping to an amount of calories is easy...

meat... have 100 grams (cooked) a day
chicken 125 grams cooked

which is probably half the amount what people usually have...

I use a fitbit to keep an eye on how many calories I burn... my calorie intake is under 2000 a day and I average around burning 2500 or higher...

weigh everything you eat and work out how many calories there is in the food you eat...

this will teach you what the amount of each food looks like... after a few meals with 125 grams of chicken you get to tell what aprox 125 grams looks like... what 50 grams of mixed vegetables looks like... etc etc

my biggest problem is weekends...  :(

low activity and a higher calorie intake...  ::)


I can lose a kilogram in a week but put it back on again over a weekend... vicious circle... but at least I know what to do to turn this around...

I have lost 3kg since xmas...

go me...  :)

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this is one of my awards...  :)

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae269/oldpom/fitbit.jpg

True Blue... wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 7th, 2014 at 9:37am: UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 9:51pm: My point being that the food gets digested according to your metabolic rate. Whereas cutting out red meat from your diet isn't going to help with your weight loss. It's the fat content with which that you should be concerned. Cutting out red meat from your diet certainly will help with weight loss, as long as it isn't replaced by anything. That's the mistake many people make: they cut out red meat but then fill up their plate with something else (an extra potato, or another bread roll, for example.) The average person doesn't need as much protein as they think. Beans, nuts, vegetables, and grains will do the job. people always "crap on" about a "balanced" diet... just eat a balanced diet... but never tell you what this is... sure a balanced diet is what everyone should have but its the "amount" most people stuff up... they load their plates up with mountains of a "balance diet".... so this is where they go wrong... its the "AMOUNT" ..... you need to learn how many calories is in everything you eat and then adjust the amount you eat.... but how many calories can you have a day? depends on how many you burn in a day and how active you are.... if you know this then keeping to an amount of calories is easy... meat... have 100 grams (cooked) a day chicken 125 grams cooked which is probably half the amount what people usually have... I use a fitbit to keep an eye on how many calories I burn... my calorie intake is under 2000 a day and I average around burning 2500 or higher... weigh everything you eat and work out how many calories there is in the food you eat... this will teach you what the amount of each food looks like... after a few meals with 125 grams of chicken you get to tell what aprox 125 grams looks like... what 50 grams of mixed vegetables looks like... etc etc my biggest problem is weekends...  :( low activity and a higher calorie intake...  ::) I can lose a kilogram in a week but put it back on again over a weekend... vicious circle... but at least I know what to do to turn this around... I have lost 3kg since xmas... go me...  :)

Yep, I agree with most of that.

Portion size is critical.

100 to 150g of meat in a serving is more than enough.

However, many people have more like 200 to 300g per serving: too much.

Using smaller plates is another effective way of reducing portion sizes.

Eggs and Capsicums!!!!  Yummy!

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top right picture.. whats that under the egg?

and what sort of pan did you use?

I was vegetarian for ten years or more.  I did eat eggs and dairy, but no meat, poultry or fish.  I'm not sure how it started, but I think it was a combination of concerns over animal welfare and an interest in Eastern philosophies and religions (I was actually seriously considering converting to Buddhism for a while but didn't).

It was an overseas holiday that was the undoing of it all.  I was staying for three weeks in a town that had a working fishing harbour.  I was about four houses from the harbour and next door to a very popular fish and chip shop.  Not only that, but every afternoon, the air at that end of town filled with the aroma of smoking fish.  I ended up eating fish at least every second day.

When I got back to Australia, I suppose my resolve had weakened somewhat and, one day, I had this sudden urge to have bacon and eggs (bacon was the only meat I had really missed eating in all that time) and it wasn't long before meat had found its way back into my diet, although for some reason I have totally lost any desire to eat poultry.

Nowadays I would have meat maybe twice a week, fish maybe three times a week.  I can't say that I feel much different, although I've been told that my skin colour is better than it used to be when I was vegetarian.  I also find that I love cooking meat (perhaps more so than actually eating it).

Frances wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 8:32pm:

I was vegetarian for ten years or more.  I did eat eggs and dairy, but no meat, poultry or fish.  I'm not sure how it started, but I think it was a combination of concerns over animal welfare and an interest in Eastern philosophies and religions (I was actually seriously considering converting to Buddhism for a while but didn't). It was an overseas holiday that was the undoing of it all.  I was staying for three weeks in a town that had a working fishing harbour.  I was about four houses from the harbour and next door to a very popular fish and chip shop.  Not only that, but every afternoon, the air at that end of town filled with the aroma of smoking fish.  I ended up eating fish at least every second day. When I got back to Australia, I suppose my resolve had weakened somewhat and, one day, I had this sudden urge to have bacon and eggs (bacon was the only meat I had really missed eating in all that time) and it wasn't long before meat had found its way back into my diet, although for some reason I have totally lost any desire to eat poultry. Nowadays I would have meat maybe twice a week, fish maybe three times a week.  I can't say that I feel much different, although I've been told that my skin colour is better than it used to be when I was vegetarian.  I also find that I love cooking meat (perhaps more so than actually eating it).

good one... every good girl should get a piece of meat into her...

if you lived in Brazil you'd eat meat every day...

I've never eaten better... we went to 2 different BBQ restaurants while there and OMG.... the meat was delicious....

never even got up to the salad bar... the waiters just kept bring out different servings of meat and beer.... not even sure what most of it was... someone did mention horse...  :-?

I've never eaten some much meat in one sitting in all my life... I think I lost weight on that trip as well..so go figure...

and then there was the seafood restaurants... OMG x 2

I don't even like a lot of sea foods but I had all sorts of different fish... not sure what it was because the waiters didn't speak English too well... so I just went by the looks of it...

anything that scared me by looking at it I didn't eat... all sorts of prickly bizarre looking things...  :-/

True Blue... wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 7:46pm:

top right picture.. whats that under the egg? and what sort of pan did you use?

Under the egg is a slice of tomatoe.
These pictures are from a web page. When I cook the eggs, I use a little butter and a non stick pan.  Looks like they saturate it in oil! lol

Frances wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 8:32pm:

I was vegetarian for ten years or more.  I did eat eggs and dairy, but no meat, poultry or fish.  I'm not sure how it started, but I think it was a combination of concerns over animal welfare and an interest in Eastern philosophies and religions (I was actually seriously considering converting to Buddhism for a while but didn't). It was an overseas holiday that was the undoing of it all.  I was staying for three weeks in a town that had a working fishing harbour.  I was about four houses from the harbour and next door to a very popular fish and chip shop.  Not only that, but every afternoon, the air at that end of town filled with the aroma of smoking fish.  I ended up eating fish at least every second day. When I got back to Australia, I suppose my resolve had weakened somewhat and, one day, I had this sudden urge to have bacon and eggs (bacon was the only meat I had really missed eating in all that time) and it wasn't long before meat had found its way back into my diet, although for some reason I have totally lost any desire to eat poultry. Nowadays I would have meat maybe twice a week, fish maybe three times a week.  I can't say that I feel much different, although I've been told that my skin colour is better than it used to be when I was vegetarian.  I also find that I love cooking meat (perhaps more so than actually eating it).

Interesting that you enjoy cooking meat!  For me even looking at raw meat makes me want to chuck! lol

I've not grown tired of the fish diet yet!  But I lack ideas as cooking is not my thing.  I had my bloods done and the results were all very positive.  So that's good!

Jaqs wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 12:34pm:

Interesting that you enjoy cooking meat!  For me even looking at raw meat makes me want to chuck!

I love cooking just about anything, although I have been steering clear of offal - neither of us really care for it much anyway.  I usually do meat about twice a week and fish about three times a week.  My cooking does sort  of have an Italian flavour to it sometimes, after all, I'm married to one.....

Nothing too imaginative tonight - I'm warming up some left over minestrone and putting some pasta (ditalini) in with it.


Jaqs wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 12:34pm:

I lack ideas as cooking is not my thing.

Not a problem - use someone else's ideas - have you got any of Jamie Oliver's books? They're the ones I go to when I can't think of what to do.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 12:39pm:

ian wrote on Feb 7th, 2014 at 2:27pm: Im on the green smoothie thing. Green smoothie for breakfast, made up of kale, ginger and blueberries with protein  powder. Never had so much energy, Im an athlete so really feel the difference in energy levels, also body fat percentage has decresaed dramatically without losing any muscle mass, I have maintained the same weight but waist size has gone down a couple of notches. still eat plenty of red meat though, tried cutting it out years ago and felt very weak without it. What do you use?  A NutriBullet?  Any good?

Just a normal blender. IMO the nutri bullet thing is a gimmick. Still on it and my energy levels have increased substantially.

I have been reading a bit lately about how cutting out red meat in males decreses testosterone levels. and the true enemy in our diets is carbs, particularly refined carbs.

Jaqs wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 9:45am:

Eggs and Capsicums!!!!  Yummy!

I don't mind the capsicums in a stew but like that.. hmmm... eek!

Jaqs wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 12:32pm:

True Blue... wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 7:46pm: top right picture.. whats that under the egg? and what sort of pan did you use? Under the egg is a slice of tomatoe. These pictures are from a web page. When I cook the eggs, I use a little butter and a non stick pan.  Looks like they saturate it in oil! lol

we always use a natural butter these days and A2 milk....

forget about that margarine garbage and altered milk with waste products dumped into it...

my daughter sent me this today, in fact..

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae269/oldpom/V__4080.jpg

http://www.ewg.org/research/nearly-500-ways-make-yoga-mat-sandwich

http://cdn.ewg.org/sites/default/files/styles/report_header_690x175/public/reports/images/banner_new-2b_1.jpg

Nearly 500 ways to make a yoga mat sandwich
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2014
By David Andrews, Ph.D., Senior Scientist, and Elaine Shannon, Editor-in-chief and publisher

If you’ve planked on a yoga mat, slipped on flip-flops, extracted a cell phone from protective padding or lined an attic with foam insulation, chances are you’ve had a brush with an industrial chemical called azodicarbonamide, nicknamed ADA. In the plastics industry, ADA is the “chemical foaming agent” of choice. It is mixed into polymer plastic gel to generate tiny gas bubbles, something like champagne for plastics. The results are materials that are strong, light, spongy and malleable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZuIoqcCMWw

As few Americans realized until Vani Hari, creator of FoodBabe.com, spotlighted it earlier this month, you’ve probably eaten ADA. This industrial plastics chemical shows up in many commercial baked goods as a “dough conditioner” that renders large batches of dough easier to handle and makes the finished products puffier and tough enough to withstand shipping and storage. According to the new EWG Food Database of ingredients in 80,000 foods, now under development, ADA turns up in nearly 500 items and in more than 130 brands of bread, bread stuffing and snacks, including many advertised as “healthy.”

EWG researchers who are constructing the database found that ADA is listed as an ingredient on the labels of many well-known brands of bread, croutons, pre-made sandwiches and snacks, including Ball Park, Butternut, Country Hearth, Fleischman’s, Food Club, Harvest Pride, Healthy Life, Jimmy Dean, Joseph Campione, Kroger, Little Debbie, Mariano’s, Marie Callendar’s, Martin’s, Mother’s, Pillsbury, Roman Meal, Sara Lee, Schmidt, Shoprite, Safeway, Smucker’s, Sunbeam, Turano, Tyson, Village Hearth and Wonder.

This synthetic additive has been largely overlooked because it is not known to be toxic to people in the concentration approved by the federal Food and Drug Administration – 45 parts per million. According to the World Health Organization, workers handling large volumes have reported respiratory symptoms and skin sensitization, but ADA has not undergone extensive testing of its potential to harm human health.

One thing is clear: ADA is not food, as food has been defined for most of human history.  It is an industrial chemical added to bread for the convenience of industrial bakers. In centuries past, flour fresh from the mill had to age several months before it could be kneaded into dough and popped into the oven. But in 1956, a New Jersey chemical, pharmaceuticals and engineering firm called Wallace & Tiernan, best known for inventing a mass water chlorination process, discovered that ADA caused flour to “achiev[e] maturing action without long storage.” The result, the firm’s patent application stated, was commercial bread that was “light, soft and suitably moist, yet suitably firm or resilient, and that [had] crusts and internal properties of a pleasing and palatable nature.”  The FDA approved ADA as a food additive in 1962.  It is not approved for use in either Australia or the European Union.

In the early 1990s, ADA became the preferred dough conditioner of many American commercial bakers as a result of California’s Proposition 65, which went into effect in 1987. This law required California authorities to list certain chemicals in food as “possibly dangerous to human health.” Potassium bromate, then a common dough conditioner, was found to be carcinogenic in test animals and made the Prop 65 list in 1991. ADA was widely adopted as a safer substitute.

Jaqs wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:12pm:

Hey Muso, do you eat egg?  And just out of interest, how often do you eat fish?

Sorry, I missed this. I eat fish or seafood about once a week. I love fresh salmon. I eat eggs occasionally, like tonight I'm making seafood foo yung.

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 9:07am:

That is a myth. Things like legumes, broccoli, potato and pasta are harder to digest than meat. Why do you think that cows have 4 stomachs and basicly have to spend their whole waking hours eating?

Not to eat legumes, broccoli, potato and pasta, that's for sure.  You city people (assumption) don't know things like this, but I'll let you into a secret. Cows eat grass (lawn), and grass is made up of cellulose. Cellulose is a polysaccharide, like starch, but humans can't digest it. Cows can, by virtue of the four compartments in their stomach.

True Blue... wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

we always use a natural butter these days and A2 milk.... forget about that margarine garbage and altered milk with waste products dumped into it... my daughter sent me this today, in fact..

Nothing wrong with extra virgin olive oil either.

Jaqs wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 12:34pm:

Interesting that you enjoy cooking meat!  For me even looking at raw meat makes me want to chuck! lol

I can't stand the smell of cooking meat these days either.  I carved the turkey at Christmas time, but I didn't feel well.

Frances wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 6:08pm:

- have you got any of Jamie Oliver's books? They're the ones I go to when I can't think of what to do.

I'm not particularly keen on cook books, or celebrity chefs.

However, I'd have to agree with you there: his books are a great launch pad.

ian wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 6:26pm:

I have been reading a bit lately about how cutting out red meat in males decreses testosterone levels. and the true enemy in our diets is carbs, particularly refined carbs.

Our bodies evolved to eat meat and fruits and certain other plants. It's sugars that we find poisonous. We haven't evolved to eat that yet.

Having cut out the alcohol, and follow up fatty hangover cure meal, I seem to have lost about 10kgs in weight. But that's not to be confirmed until I get onto the hospital scales again sometime soon.

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 11:15pm:

ian wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 6:26pm: I have been reading a bit lately about how cutting out red meat in males decreses testosterone levels. and the true enemy in our diets is carbs, particularly refined carbs. Our bodies evolved to eat meat and fruits and certain other plants. It's sugars that we find poisonous. We haven't evolved to eat that yet.

I think that you will find that fruit is full of sugar so we have definitely evolved to eat sugar. Like most things though the problem is in the quantity. Modern diets have far too much sugar (I'm guilty of this as well) and it's not just sugary treats but it is also regular food you get from the supermarket. Many of the "low fat" varieties of food have been topped up with extra sugar.

muso wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 4:52pm:

True Blue... wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:07pm: we always use a natural butter these days and A2 milk.... forget about that margarine garbage and altered milk with waste products dumped into it... my daughter sent me this today, in fact.. Nothing wrong with extra virgin olive oil either.

That's all I use.

I don't have margarine or butter in my fridge.

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 10:51am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 1st, 2014 at 11:15pm: ian wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 6:26pm: I have been reading a bit lately about how cutting out red meat in males decreses testosterone levels. and the true enemy in our diets is carbs, particularly refined carbs. Our bodies evolved to eat meat and fruits and certain other plants. It's sugars that we find poisonous. We haven't evolved to eat that yet. I think that you will find that fruit is full of sugar so we have definitely evolved to eat sugar.

Sure is.


http://www.sugarstacks.com/img/apple.jpg

That analogy is quite misleading, there is a difference between the way our bodies process natural sugar from fruits and refined sugar. Certainly we did not evolve to eat refined sugar which does not occur in nature.

ian wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 11:22am:

That analogy is quite misleading, there is a difference between the way our bodies process natural sugar from fruits and refined sugar. Certainly we did not evolve to eat refined sugar which does not occur in nature.

Whether it's in a piece of fruit, your soda or a pastry, sugar is made up of the same two components: fructose and glucose. The molecular structure and composition of sugar molecules is the same no matter where they come from.

The ratios of fructose and glucose are pretty much the same in both fruit and table sugar. Most fruits are 40 to 55 percent fructose (there's some variation: 65 percent in apples and pears; 20 percent in cranberries), and table sugar (aka sucrose) is 50/50. Neither type of sugar is better or worse for you, but your body processes them differently. Fructose breaks down in your liver and doesn’t provoke an insulin response. Glucose starts to break down in the stomach and requires the release of insulin into the bloodstream to be metabolized completely.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/29/fruit-sugar-versus-white-sugar_n_3497795.html

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 10:51am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 1st, 2014 at 11:15pm: ian wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 6:26pm: I have been reading a bit lately about how cutting out red meat in males decreses testosterone levels. and the true enemy in our diets is carbs, particularly refined carbs. Our bodies evolved to eat meat and fruits and certain other plants. It's sugars that we find poisonous. We haven't evolved to eat that yet. I think that you will find that fruit is full of sugar so we have definitely evolved to eat sugar. Like most things though the problem is in the quantity. Modern diets have far too much sugar (I'm guilty of this as well) and it's not just sugary treats but it is also regular food you get from the supermarket. Many of the "low fat" varieties of food have been topped up with extra sugar.

Fruit is full of a natural sugar. We are accustomed to that. But not the processed stuff that they fill our Coca Cola.

If you want to look back to when humans were developing the fruits were probably lower in sugar than they are today.
plant breeders are working overtime to put more sugar into fruit.
I have a plum variety that has 23% sugar, I doubt cave men had them.

Lean meat and green leafy veg, a bit of other veg and a bit of fruit is the answer (from years of testing on myself)

test

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 10:51am: UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 1st, 2014 at 11:15pm: ian wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 6:26pm: I have been reading a bit lately about how cutting out red meat in males decreses testosterone levels. and the true enemy in our diets is carbs, particularly refined carbs. Our bodies evolved to eat meat and fruits and certain other plants. It's sugars that we find poisonous. We haven't evolved to eat that yet. I think that you will find that fruit is full of sugar so we have definitely evolved to eat sugar. Like most things though the problem is in the quantity. Modern diets have far too much sugar (I'm guilty of this as well) and it's not just sugary treats but it is also regular food you get from the supermarket. Many of the "low fat" varieties of food have been topped up with extra sugar. Fruit is full of a natural sugar. We are accustomed to that. But not the processed stuff that they fill our Coca Cola.

sugar is still sugar.
The difference is that there is a lot more sugar in a can of coke than there is in a piece of fruit. Also, a piece of fruit will will satisfy your appetite more so you are less likely to then eat other sugary foods.

So don't kid yourselves into thinking that the sugar in fruit is somehow "healthier" than the sugar in soft drinks. As with most things in life it's all about moderation. A small amount of sugar is part of a balanced diet, but too much is bad for our health.   

muso wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 4:39pm:

Jaqs wrote on Feb 5th, 2014 at 2:12pm: Hey Muso, do you eat egg?  And just out of interest, how often do you eat fish?  Sorry, I missed this. I eat fish or seafood about once a week. I love fresh salmon. I eat eggs occasionally, like tonight I'm making seafood foo yung.

salmon is great.
we have lots of eggs, I normally discard the yolks. they have ALL the cholestrol.
The egg white is all protein.
It's an old body builders technique.

"Meat and cheese could be as bad for you as smoking"

"The majority of Americans are eating about twice as much proteins as they should, and it seems that the best change would be to lower the daily intake of all proteins but especially animal-derived proteins ... "

"Having a high protein diet is no better than a high fat diet ... "

http://food.ninemsn.com.au/healthyrecipes/newsandfeatures/8809492/meat-and-cheese-could-be-as-bad-for-you-as-smoking

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 2:15pm:

Meat and cheese could be as bad for you as smoking

Not really.  The problem is that the majority of Americans are eating about twice as much proteins as they should, so all they should need to do is halve their protein intake.  Hardly the same as smoking.  Using your argument, if you halved the number of cigarettes you smoke, you would be healthy.

Frances wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 6:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2014 at 2:15pm: Meat and cheese could be as bad for you as smoking Not really.  The problem is that the majority of Americans are eating about twice as much proteins as they should, so all they should need to do is halve their protein intake.  Hardly the same as smoking.  Using your argument, if you halved the number of cigarettes you smoke, you would be healthy.

It's not my argument.

http://food.ninemsn.com.au/healthyrecipes/newsandfeatures/8809492/meat-and-cheese-could-be-as-bad-for-you-as-smoking

"This week a new report said that a diet high in animal protein could increase our chances of dying from cancer or diabetes fourfold."

"Forget protein. Concentrate on sugar. Winkler concludes, trenchantly: 'Sugar is the issue of 2014. It's going to continue to be the issue of 2014.' "

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/mar/05/cant-eat-animal-protein-what-can-we-eat-diet-cancer-diabetes

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 9:53am:

"This week a new report said that a diet high in animal protein could increase our chances of dying from cancer or diabetes fourfold."

In other words, an unbalanced diet.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 9:53am:

"Forget protein. Concentrate on sugar. Winkler concludes, trenchantly: 'Sugar is the issue of 2014. It's going to continue to be the issue of 2014.' "

Here's a novel idea - focus on a balance of each, rather than just 1 at a time.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 9:46am:

Frances wrote on Mar 5th, 2014 at 6:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2014 at 2:15pm: Meat and cheese could be as bad for you as smoking Not really.  The problem is that the majority of Americans are eating about twice as much proteins as they should, so all they should need to do is halve their protein intake.  Hardly the same as smoking.  Using your argument, if you halved the number of cigarettes you smoke, you would be healthy. It's not my argument. http://food.ninemsn.com.au/healthyrecipes/newsandfeatures/8809492/meat-and-cheese-could-be-as-bad-for-you-as-smoking

A full assessment of this study can be found here

If you don't take anything else from it, (and lets face it, you won't) note this:


Quote:

the lead researcher, Dr Longo, has declared interests in (actually, he’s the founder of) L-Nutra – a company that makes ProLon™ – an entirely plant based meal replacement product.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

... wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 9:46am: Frances wrote on Mar 5th, 2014 at 6:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2014 at 2:15pm: Meat and cheese could be as bad for you as smoking Not really.  The problem is that the majority of Americans are eating about twice as much proteins as they should, so all they should need to do is halve their protein intake.  Hardly the same as smoking.  Using your argument, if you halved the number of cigarettes you smoke, you would be healthy. It's not my argument. http://food.ninemsn.com.au/healthyrecipes/newsandfeatures/8809492/meat-and-cheese-could-be-as-bad-for-you-as-smoking A full assessment of this study can be found here If you don't take anything else from it, (and lets face it, you won't) note this: Quote: the lead researcher, Dr Longo, has declared interests in (actually, he’s the founder of) L-Nutra – a company that makes ProLon™ – an entirely plant based meal replacement product. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I can only reiterate: It's not my argument.

I love sausages and cheese (not necessarily together, though).

Moreover, "meal replacement products" are BS.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

I can only reiterate: It's not my argument.

Oh.  It looks a lot like your argument.

Perhaps you could state on which points your argument and the argument you posted differ?

... wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 2:24pm: I can only reiterate: It's not my argument. Oh.  It looks a lot like your argument.

How so?

I posted quotes, clearly marked with quotation marks, along with a link.

I made no comment at all on the story.

Moreover, I followed it up with a quote saying that sugar was what we should really be concerned about.

So, how do you interperet the "meat and cheese" story as my argument?

Can't you take a stance on anything? 

... wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

Can't you take a stance on anything?

I believe that smoking, even in moderation, is very harmful.

I don't believe that eating meat and cheese, in moderation, is harmful. 

I believe eating processed sugar is more harmful than eating meat and cheese.

I believe we eat too much animal protein.

I believe meat industry propoganda is to blame for our over consumption of meat.

I believe the children are our future.

Sounds fair.

But does this:


greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 3:55pm:

I don't believe that eating meat and cheese, in moderation, is harmful.

reflect a recently softened stance?  It seems a bit milder than some past comments you've made.

... wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Sounds fair. But does this: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 3:55pm: I don't believe that eating meat and cheese, in moderation, is harmful.  reflect a recently softened stance?  It seems a bit milder than some past comments you've made.

No, nothing is softening here.

I'm pretty sure I've never said that eating meat in moderation is harmful.  However, I have said that it isn't necessary for good health.

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