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Title: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by the wise one on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:10pm here is the latest list of Abbotts lies It is a Abbott’s new world record: 25 broken promises in 150 days Now before all you libturds come on here and say that Julia Gillard lied before the 2010 election, here is the FULL QUOTE not half the quote like you libturds keep posting and saying she lied. “There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon”. Julia Gillard So now how about holding Abbott to account on the lies he has told, or are you going to be idiots and run away and by not saying anything you will hope it goes away. http://youtu.be/kxq__3z9zGM |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 50 days Post by adelcrow on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:11pm
He is working on the theory that if everything he says is a lie then people will stop noticing :D
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 50 days Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:17pm adelcrow wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:11pm:
I hadn't noticed that. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 50 days Post by Bam on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:18pm
Break one election promise, that is an outrage.
Break a hundred election promises, that is a statistic. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by stevieboy on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:12pm
Only 25, it seems like more.
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Soren on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm John S wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:10pm: Independent Australia is a progressive journal focusing on politics, democracy, the environment, Australian history and Australian identity. It contains news and opinion from Australia and around the world. Managing editor David Donovan Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Stratos on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:30pm
So Soren what is he wrong about?
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:31pm
The list looks pretty accurate to me, Soren. Do you disagree with any of the alleged 'broken promises?'
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by the wise one on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
So you can't defend Abbott with his lies so you attack the web site and the owner of the site. So when you grow some balls come back and defend Abbott and all his lies |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Is any of it incorrect? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by cods on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
THE INDEPENDENT./.. THE TRUTH AS WE SEE IT..... NOT AS IT REALLY IS..LOLOLOL.... wiseone must be back on the pay list.... ::) ::) he really thinks anyone other than he and crow believe it ...did they mention stopping the boats..... ;D ;D ;D ;D did they mention labor lies about the debt.... ;D ;D ;D did they mention their shares in the sour grape market.;D |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by cods on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:34pm
did they mention the senate?????????? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:35pm John S wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by the wise one on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:41pm cods wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:
Come on you sweet old lady lets see you come back and defend Abbott or can't you? will you run away like you usually do. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by GeorgeH on Feb 8th, 2014 at 5:12pm
Very penetrating bit about that blue tie—the simian can’t put a tie on straight! At his age!
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 8th, 2014 at 6:15pm Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
cods wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:
Typical ad hominem response from the rightards. Cannot refute the message so they decide to attack the messenger. Your logical fallacy is ad hominem Quote:
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Stratos on Feb 8th, 2014 at 6:28pm
They should keep their mouths shut unless they have anything to back it up.
heaven forbid they get out-witted by a "Chardonnay socialist" |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 8th, 2014 at 6:33pm Stratos wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 6:28pm:
Someone called? [smiley=huh.gif] |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by froggie on Feb 8th, 2014 at 6:34pm cods wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:
And what would they be, cods??? :) |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Soren on Feb 8th, 2014 at 7:39pm Stratos wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 6:28pm:
Being predicatbly tendentious is not an argument. You are a living example of that eternal principle - you have all the kneejerk evasiveness and spineless exusing at your fingertips better than anyone could wish for - but no actual thought and no persuasive or coherent/consistent argument. All robotic, reflex party line and no living thought. That vanity press, Independent Australia, appeals to you just because of that very shared quality. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Stratos on Feb 8th, 2014 at 7:47pm Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 7:39pm:
I'm sorry, have we started being ironic already? Still waiting for an actual argument against what has been said. Come on son, is that the best you can do? You going to let a small left wing paper get the better of you or are you just going to continue ad homing? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by skippy. on Feb 8th, 2014 at 8:51pm cods wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:
Yes dear, you forgot to tell us what he got wrong, care to name any? Bet ya can't. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D oh LOL, come in sucker. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Karnal on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:22pm Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
"Progressives". |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Karnal on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:26pm Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 7:39pm:
I say, old boy, that’s not fair. Longy is not here to defend himself. I do feel we need to speak to... Oh, I forgot. You are he. Most sorry, old chap. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Karnal on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:31pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:
No no, but that’s not the point. It’s all robotic, reflex party line and no living thought. The old boy wants to know where he can sign up. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:02pm Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:31pm:
Actually, that IS the point. None of the rightards have been able to refute the argument in whole or in part. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:04pm Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:22pm:
I see you're joining the ad hominem fallacy club. Get in line, there's a lot of miserable rightards ahead of you, none of whom can write an honest refutation between them. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Karnal on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:12pm Bam wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:02pm:
Yes, but that is the point too. The retards put up dumb Bolt threads and everyone has a good old chuckle. The leftards put up obscure leftard sources and the retards say, you see? Leftard propaganda. They then have a sulk and a moan - they don’t chuckle - and we all go off to bed to live and fight another day. It ’s a game as old as time, and it’s so dull I forgot what this thread is about. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Karnal on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:14pm Bam wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:04pm:
True, but I put it in quotation marks for those who work at the uni. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Soren on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:20pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:
Yes, it's all a hatchet job, tendentious and untrue. You tell me which part of it is actually true, you tell me which election promise has been broken. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Stratos on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:27pm Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
Which parts are untrue Soren? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Karnal on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:34pm Stratos wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:27pm:
He won’t say. It’s tendentious, you see. The old boy prefers robotic, reflex party line and no living thought. All absence of life is a miracle to the old boy. It does inspire him so. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Soren on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:37pm Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:34pm:
All of it is untrue. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Karnal on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:47pm Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:37pm:
Ah. I’ll bet it’s tendentious too, no? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Maqqa on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:05am
This is before LIBs discovered a $300B blackhole in Labor's Budget
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Maqqa on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:11am
Interesting that wise-one's only source of anti-LIBs info is from the independentaustralia
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Karnal on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:47am Maqqa wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:05am:
Ah. How’s this one for tendentious, old boy? He’s even got a sum. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Karnal on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:49am Maqqa wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:11am:
Yes, I know, we’ve been discussing that. No chuckling, Maqqa. You need to sulk, moan, and head off to bed. In that order. Oh - you have. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Spot of Borg on Feb 9th, 2014 at 5:24am Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
Read the article . . . . SOB |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:14am
Promise #25 - Boat tow backs
What the nuts at IA say he said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia." What he actually said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia. There is just a world of difference and if I may say so, there has been a tendency of people to put to other people what is not the Coalition’s policy in an attempt to, I think, generate a headline rather than constructively address this issue." The highlighted bit was missing from IA's selective editing of "broken promise" number 25. He hasn't broken a promise at all. He is turning boats around, as he promised to do before the election and for the entire time he was Opposition Leader. IA's bull$hit meter: extreme! Promise #19 - No deals with the Greens Last August Abbott insisted most emphatically that he would never “... do cheap and tawdry deals with the Greens.” Barely in office, the government swooped on the chance to cut a deal with the Greens to remove the debt ceiling. After years in opposition condemning Labor’s relatively modest debt, this is as tawdry as it comes. Actually, there was no deal made with the Greens. A deal means the Greens get something in return and they got nothing. It was a very rare case of the Greens showing some common sense on issues other than the environment. IA's bull$hit meter: very high! Promise #18: Sophie Mirabella When the divisive former Liberal Party member for Indi lost her seat in a surprise rejection by voters, Abbott declared that there would be no government job for Mirabella. Just kidding! She is now on the board of the submarine maintenance body. Actually, way back in 1985 Kockums, Chicago Bridge & Iron, Wormald International and the Australian Industry Development Corporation joined forces and formed the Australian Submarine Corporation. It's not government owned or run. IA's bull$hit meter: extreme! |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:34am Maqqa wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:11am:
Not when you consider the fact-drought and outright sycophancy of the MSM towards the con-servatives, it isn't. The MSM is complicit in the betrayal of Australia, and has both blood and dirt on its hands. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:42am Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:34am:
You're spot-on about that with ABC's handling of the illegal immigrants' lies about the Navy torturing their hands! That is a despicable betrayal of our country and our navy. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:45am Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:14am:
You're splitting hairs. Abbott the Mendacious clearly denied tow-backs. Yet we have footage of Navy ships using ropes to tow asylum seekers in boats back to Indonesia. That rope between the ships is not there for decoration. You are also being hypocritical, getting all hot and bothered about context after you did the same to Gillard over one quotation, over and over, for nearly three years. If you think you have the right to beat up "carbon tax" out of context, you have no right, no right whatsoever to complain if others point out that Abbott repudiated tow backs. "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs." He said it. He said it very clearly. He lied. Quote:
You're just making up crap. Since when do you get to define what a "deal" is? How do you know there's no hidden commitment on other future legislation? Quote:
So how did she get that job, hmm? Sending out her resume and competing with 300 other applications and sitting through four interviews? Not bloody likely. More likely, it was the Liberal party pulling the strings so Liberal party hacks like Mirabella can get comfortable jobs after politics without having to work to get them or keep them. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:50am Bam wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:45am:
So how did she get that job, hmm? Sending out her resume and competing with 300 other applications and sitting through four interviews? Not bloody likely. More likely, it was the Liberal party pulling the strings so Liberal party hacks like Mirabella can get comfortable jobs after politics without having to work to get them or keep them. Even if you were right, which you're not, it is nothing compared to the nepotism/jobs for the boys that exists when Labor is on office. How do you not know Mirabella was not sought out by ASC? She clearly has the credentials for the job. [/quote] |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by John Smith on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:16am
Armpit you are an idiot .... now you're changing your argument from 'he never promised to not tow boats' to 'but we aren't towing them back to Indonesia' ;D ;D ;D ;D pathetic
Oh, and please show us what credentials Sophina Mirrabella has to be on a board about submarines? By the way, Giving sailors blow jobs does not qualify as a qualification. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by skippy. on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:22am
Sophie does have a great set of lips, in fact that's all she has going for her.
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by John Smith on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:26am skippy. wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:22am:
you'd need to be careful you cut the hole in the bag in the correct position though ..... you wouldn't want to poke her in the eye. ;D ;D |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:26am skippy. wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Which is still far more than you have ever or will ever have going for you, that's for sure! |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by John Smith on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:27am Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:26am:
you don't like Skips lips? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:35am John Smith wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:16am:
Worried she's going to muscle in on your territory, eh? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by John Smith on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:38am Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:35am:
you upset you might miss out ?.... not to worry, a staunch lib like you, I'm sure Matty could have a word with her to give you one for the team ... |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:01am Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:50am:
You are moving the goal posts. Did Abbott deny that boats would be towed? Yes. "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs." Are we towing them? Yes. See video footage for details. He denied tow backs would occur. He lied. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:04am Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:50am:
The Greens did get something out of it. Their policy of scrapping the debt ceiling was adopted by the Coalition. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:16am Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:50am:
So prove it. Quote:
Tu quoque fallacies do not invalidate my argument. Quote:
How do you know that she was? Quote:
And those credentials are? Did she serve in the military? Did she serve in the Navy? Does she have a nautical engineering background? Being a member of the Liberal party and a former Liberal parliamentarian doesn't count. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:50am
Let's get one thing very clear. The Australian Submarine Corporation is wholly owned by the Australian Government.
Click here. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by alevine on Feb 9th, 2014 at 11:52am cods wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:
You are an amazing specimen, cods. Because it is the independent, all abbots lies are lies in themselves. No wonder tony has been able to turn the issue of navy burning asylum seekers into reporting by the abc, when the community includes dummies like you. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 11:59am stevieboy wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:12pm:
It is saying blatant broken promises, many more but with possibly some form of mitigation or point of debate. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:08pm Bam wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:02pm:
I think you will find that they like that it is only 25 named lies - They know it is really a lot worse for them - this is a good result for the conservatives. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 9th, 2014 at 1:40pm Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:08pm:
If we did a little digging, we might uncover a few more lies and broken promises from the Coalition. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 2:49pm Bam wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 1:40pm:
And I doubt you'd need an excavator or a back-hoe either. A child's beach-spade should suffice. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:25pm Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 2:49pm:
Or a pointed stick wielded with a little enthusiasm. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:38pm Bam wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:25pm:
[smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:39pm Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 2:49pm:
On the other hand, you'd need one of those colossal-sized scoops used in open-cut mines to clean up the $hit and lies and broken promises left behind by six years of Labor. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:48pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:39pm:
Oh, you mean the non-existent ones which you keep posting as if they're proven fact? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by the wise one on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:51pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:39pm:
What shyte, lies and broken promises are you talking about armpit. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:54pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:39pm:
Glad to see you back AP. Aren't you just a tad embarrassed about that 100% dishonest post you made when you claimed that the Australian Submarine Corporation was not Government owned and controlled? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 9th, 2014 at 4:34pm John S wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:51pm:
The first lie is particularly telling of Labor's incompetence. Read this: https://lpaweb-static.s3.amazonaws.com/Labor_tells_lies_Sept%2012.pdf |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:07pm
How's it going AP? Do you want to apologise for this outright deliberate dishonesty?
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Anytime soon would be honourable. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by alevine on Feb 9th, 2014 at 7:16pm Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:07pm:
Armpit is eating a sandwich. He'll not reply from this point on. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 7:59pm Quote:
When the OP clearly lies in the first post, then nothing else can really be believed. Just because Juila lied doesn't mean its ok for you to lie about her lie. You should try a bit harder to not lie. It's not a good look to be a liar. No one likes a liar. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Stratos on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:03pm
That doesn't look like a first post....
Did someone get banned this morning? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:06pm
That was a first post.
Now back to the topic of lying about Gillards lie. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:16pm Bam wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:01am:
Tow backs have been an integral part of Operation Sovereign Borders in which this policy was released to the public months before the election on the Liberal party website. The public were well aware of this, and Abbott went to the election with it and won the election. Your selective memory does you no credit whatsoever. And tow backs will continue to be an integral part of a policy which has been very successful in the few months it has been active which is why it will remain despite the bleatings of the left side of politics or the Indonesians. Smugglers boats will never be welcome in this country. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:21pm
It is understandable that the left side of politics are confused. It would be difficult for them to understand what a successful policy and outcome looks like, so this must come as a shock to their system.
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:22pm
I haven't verified this, but assuming it to be an accurate quote of what Abbott said:
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Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to explain what that means? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:25pm Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:22pm:
There has already been one misquote that you need to clear up first in this thread Quote:
Now why would someone post an obvious lie like that? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:29pm
So.....yeas we'll turn around (where it is safe to do so) but we will not tow back. Right. I get it.
So Phoney, you liar, what is happening here? Is that orange vessell towing an Australian warship back to Australia? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:32pm Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:22pm:
Abbott's talking about the difference between towing back boats to Indonesian land, and towing back boats to where Indonesian waters meet international waters. And Abbott is correct in saying there is a world of difference between the two. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:36pm Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:29pm:
No one cares. The job is being done where the ALP and Greens said it couldn't be. That must be irksome. ;) |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:37pm chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:32pm:
quiet, creative comprehension at work? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:39pm
Creative policy that works. Amazing after 6 years of policy failure by the ALP.
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:41pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:36pm:
For the previously 3 years honesty was the most important thing ??? Now it is absolutely meaningless apparently. 1 broken promise was vitally important but a dishonest government is something to be supported without question. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:42pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:25pm:
Now why would someone post an obvious lie like that?[/quote] Anyone else getting a strong feeling of deja vu ????? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:43pm
Honesty is saying they will stop the boats and doing it.
Dishonesty is saying "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead" It would do you good to learn the difference for your own sake. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:45pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 7:59pm:
Are you really that desperate to look like a fool, or was it an accident? Whatever, it worked. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:47pm Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:45pm:
I see. So you know it was a lie and you come here and call me a fool for pointing out that the OP flat out lied. Are you not very bright or did your low socio-economic background somehow exclude you from getting even the most basic level of education? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:50pm Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:41pm:
I feel your pain dude. No foreign smugglers boats getting through for so long must be breaking your heart. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:50pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:43pm:
Seems you're determined to ignore the rest of the quote. Well, here it is again, just for you... " ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..." Not a lie on her part at all, nor on the part of The Wise One. More a lack of comprehension skills on your part. Or is it merely blind partisan bigotry and ignorance? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:51pm
Honestly, this is yet another bogus topic started bt Leftard Progressives in denial trying vainly to score points.
It is sad and not just a tad pathetic. Obviously it is pointless trying to argue sense with them.. Quote:
Prime example a statement she made several time not every time with a caveat. Face it even if you include it she still lied. Her Government did bring in a carbon tax... ::) ::) ::) It isn't worth the effort going over the list and pointing out the lies and errors which a sane person would recognise. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:52pm Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:37pm:
No, Abbott distinction between the two was pretty loud and clear to me. Do you know how far Indonesian land is from where their waters meet international waters? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:54pm Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:50pm:
If you weren't so lacking in brain cells you would have realised by now that the "rest of the quote" is the lie. She never said it. I don't know how many times you have to be told. Even with an old calculator, you only have to punch the information into once to get a correct answer. How many times do you need it punched into you? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:57pm Grendel wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:51pm:
It is a complete lie. There is nowhere she ever uttered that line. Some call it leftwing mythology, others call it for exactly what it is. Complete bull dust. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:59pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:39pm:
25 Lies from a dishonest incompetent government |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:59pm Quote:
Wow, I have to say Grendel, that if you had not commenced that sentence with 'Honestly,' no-one would have bothered, but seeing as how you went out of your way to start that sentence with 'Honestly,' it behoves me to ask you to explain why and how those 25 (or any one of them) allegations of a lie by Abbott is untrue. Take all the time you need. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:02pm Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:59pm:
When the OP starts out with a complete lie, nothing else in the post can be believed. Not to mention it comes from "IA" who are a know bunch of liars. So we have a lying OP posting a bunch of lies for a lying website calling everyone else a liar. Nope. Doesn't wash. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:03pm Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:50pm:
Gillard could have been as determined as she liked at the time about pricing carbon, she stated quite clearly there would be no carbon tax introduced under a government she led. That's pretty straight forward. She then introduced a carbon tax soon after the election. The harpy lied, and more so the Australian people believed she lied. Which is one of the many reasons why Ms thirty percenter was soundly booted out of her office before she led the Labor party to electoral oblivion. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by John Smith on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:07pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 7:59pm:
how you can make that comment whilst cheering for Abbott is beyond me :D :D :D obviously you like a liar |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:07pm
I can't post links so perhaps someone would be kind enough to do it for me
The YouTube video under EyW7oFk6n8 and time 2.20 will give you the exact quote and nowhere is the statement " ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..." said at any point. The left and facts reside in different universes. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:08pm
See what I lean... ::)
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:09pm Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:59pm:
Dream on. Labor has already cornered the market on incompetence and dishonesty long ago. Even criminal Indonesian people smugglers agree that Abbotts put them out of a very lucrative business that the Labor/Greens alliance gave back to them six years ago via their policy incompetence in the removal of a successful policy only to install a failed one. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:10pm chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:03pm:
“We will restore accountability and improve transparency measures to be more accountable to you.” Hiding boats with no accountability and less transparency when their election commitment was to do the opposite ??? Abbott’s insistence at a press conference in Jakarta in October: “Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.” The commitment from Abbott is no tow backs the fact is they are towing boats back. That's a direct lie. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:16pm
They are more accountable to Australians. Just because you want them to more accountable to illegal immigrants and people smugglers doesn't mean they should.
Your lot stuffed it up, now you get to sit down, shut your hole and do what your told while the adults clean up your mess. There's a good boy. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:18pm chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:03pm:
No. She didn't. Shame I'm not a global mod, I'd happily ban you for continually posting blatant falsehoods the way you persist in doing. You are either a shill, a troll, or an abject idiot. Or possibly all three. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:20pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:54pm:
It's not. She did. Now, get back in your carton, and stop threatening to assault people. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:21pm
The OP is clearly the liar here. The quote he gave does not exist. If I were global mod, he would be banned for posting a lie.
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:22pm
Why do you insist on perpetuating lies?
It must be a leftwing thing. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:31pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:21pm:
This is the copy of the press conference from Tony's web site ???? http://www.pm.gov.au/media/2013-10-01/joint-press-conference-minister-julie-bishop-jakarta Quote:
Do you think that you should get the same treatment from a global mod that you recommend for others??? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by GeorgeH on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:32pm
Go for a drive next Sunday, look in at Catholic & CofE Mass, look in on Lutheran, Methodist or whatever other denomination. Churches won’t be full, hardly anyone in there so the Census figures are meaningless.
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:33pm
We are talking about the OPs lie about what Gillard said. Are you also claiming that his quote is correct?
Yes or no will suffice. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:34pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:21pm:
And if I were one, you'd be gone for trolling and personal attacks, and for being a sock-puppet/trying to circumvent a ban. Now, pull your head in. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:38pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:33pm:
"We" are not. Gillard and what she said is done and dusted. History. (PS...I'm not too happy that I need to consider I may be communicating with someone using a new nick, because they have been banned recently. Am I?) |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:41pm
The OP contains a lie. You need to deal with that before accusing anyone else of lying.
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:43pm Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:34pm:
I didn't realise that pointing out a fallacy in the original post was 'trolling' and a 'personal attack' as well as pointing out that you are perpetuating a lie. Why do you perpetuate lies? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Stratos on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:43pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:41pm:
Actually contains a link to 25. Look a bit closer next time. Try too keep up |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:45pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:43pm:
Taking a wild guess. You 'sound like' Innocent Bystander, who is noticeable by their absence. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:46pm Stratos wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:43pm:
I see you must already recognise that the OP was lying because you choose to ignore it and try to distract. So do you too, agree with the OPs Gillard quote? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Stratos on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:47pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:46pm:
The irony is strong with this one... |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:47pm Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:45pm:
You sound like you aren't right about much of anything. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by GeorgeH on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:59pm
IB? Hmmm the twerp does seem to be absent.
Take your banning and don’t try to circumvent it, dweeb. Hope the Mods increase your period of suspension. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:04pm St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:59pm:
You are as wrong as your little mate. It must be a familiar position for both of you. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:13pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:33pm:
Gillard had clearly indicated prior to the election that a price on carbon in the term was a possibility. A lot of people believe that the given quote is correct, they could be wrong but more likely not. either way it isn't a lie. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983 Quote:
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:16pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:46pm:
Got nothing on the topic to attempt to defend the plethora of blatant Abbott lies? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:17pm
So you admit that the quote is a lie.
We are making progress. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:21pm Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:10pm:
He was talking about no tow backs to Indonesia you mean. Why are you complaining about a working policy? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:25pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:17pm:
I admit that Gillard is on record prior to the election saying that she would put a price on carbon. You made no progress in coming to terms with Abbotts obvious dishonesty in any way. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:27pm Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:18pm:
What falsehood is that? The harpy has her statement clearly on video for all to see. And she did exactly what she stated she wouldn't. And Ms Thirty percenter was thrown out of office by her own party. Considering that once again you resort to insults when you run out of puff, ban yourself instead. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:30pm chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:21pm:
You support Abbott doing exactly what he categorically denied he would do about 6 or 8 weeks ago. He was talking about no tow backs to Indonesia you mean. He isn't towing them to France. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:33pm Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:25pm:
That's ok. We all know what you admitted to. The quote in the OP was a lie and you know it, hence your little dance. When you can finally admit it, we can move on to the other lies. If you can't admit to one of the biggest lies, you can't rationally discuss the veracity of the other allegations. Let me know when you are ready to do that and we can start going through the IA bull dust point by point. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:51pm Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:30pm:
And he isn't towing them back into Indonesian ports either, just to the boundary where Indonesian water meets international water. The policy remains consistent and has not changed since it was introduced months before the election, and that's what's important. The policy works and that's what's really important. No boats have been 'hidden' as you stated. All boats have been accounted for and reported about in a timely fashion. The world did not end because the government conducted a weekly media meeting. It wasn't all that long ago anyway under Labor that the majority of the media stopped reporting the arrival of smugglers boats with the obvious exception of radio station 2GB which still reported daily arrivals, and the silence was deafening at the time. Even the Labor governments published statistics of boat arrivals on the internet was six months behind until last September, and the silence was deafening. Don't fret, the filthy smugglers boats are exactly where they should be. Either back in Indonesia, or lying on the bottom. If all you have left is to argue semantics, or try to misrepresent the PM's words to attempt to score a scabby cheap point instead of making a real point about the policy then I know Abbott is on the right track. Suck it up princess. His policy works. And that's what really matters. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 10th, 2014 at 4:34am Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:59pm:
Here's plenty of irrefutable lies from the most incompetent government in our history. Six years of Labor incompetence, waste, backstabbing and corruption was 5 years too many! https://lpaweb-static.s3.amazonaws.com/Labor_tells_lies_Sept%2012.pdf |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 10th, 2014 at 4:41am Stratos wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:43pm:
Of which three I have already proven in short order to not be lies at all. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by the wise one on Feb 10th, 2014 at 5:09am Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:57pm:
DICKHEAD I type this slowly so you can understand it The Gillard brought in a fixed price on carbon for 3 years then it is going to a ETS Quote:
If you want to believe a video that has been doctored it just show how much of a idiot you are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EyW7oFk6n8 This is the full interview not something that has be doctored by the libturd party. Now do a bit of research and you will find the full quote Here are a couple of sites http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/09/gillards-carbon-tax-promise/ http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983 http://fairmediaalliance.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/there-will-be-no-carbon-tax-under-a-government-i-lead-but-lets-be-absolutely-clear-i-am-determined-to-price-carbon/ What about this video I notice none of you libturds ever put this up http://youtu.be/ckcH0Wrmy74 Now before you come on here and call people liars do a bit of research first and know what you are talking about. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Kat on Feb 10th, 2014 at 6:32am Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 4:41am:
I sincerely doubt that, you don't have the ability to tell the difference between lies and fact. As you constantly strive to prove. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 10th, 2014 at 6:46am chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:51pm:
And he isn't towing them back into Indonesian ports either Clearly not what he meant or in fact said, he obviously meant towing them back to Indonesian waters. He said that turning them around from Australian waters was what they would do. This means that the intention was to tow them nowhere. With the incursions into Indonesian waters that we can only assume has been part of the tow back process they obviously have taken them back into Indonesian territory a clear serious, deliberate and malicious breach of Indonesia's sovereignty. They not only accidentally entered Indonesian waters they had a purpose in doing it which was clearly opposed by Indonesia. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 10th, 2014 at 6:58am Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 4:34am:
Here's plenty of irrefutable lies Most are far from irrefutable - in fact most are rubbish the facts would show that Labor were right. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by GeorgeH on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:01am
Could those incursions by our ships into Indonesian waters have been captains disgusted with the orders they got from Morriscum’s toy soldier towing or accompanying the lifeboats closer to Indo shore?
The incursion were not due to accident or “wind and tides” as the simian gibbered. Indo has been remarkably tolerant of these incursions and the tow backs contrary to promises made by the simian. I doubt many nations now trust us to honour obligations. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Soren on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:12am chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:51pm:
Indeed. When they were coming two-a-day the wallahs didn't want to report them. Now that they are not coming, they are miffed that there is nothing to report. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Kat on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:14am Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 6:58am:
Pointless telling him that. He's incapable of forming an independent thought, runs on partisan spin & BS only. And is notorious for posting partisan rhetoric and outright lies as irrefutable fact (his constant carping on Swan's supposed incompetence despite all of the experts saying otherwise, for example). |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Soren on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:14am St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:01am:
We have an agreement to enter their waters for rescue purposes, you know, because they can't patrol their own waters (that's how mighty Indonesia really is). |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by GeorgeH on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:24am
Not with armed warships and only to affect rescues.
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:28am Soren wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:14am:
That is to rescue people in trouble in Indonesian waters - it does not extend to taking people in trouble into Indonesian waters. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by GeorgeH on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:32am
I am sure it is the commanders on the spot who are disgusted with the orders they get, the stupid secrecy to hide failures etc.
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 10th, 2014 at 8:00am Quote:
You see, I did do my research which is why you are a liar and why you are unable to find anything about your purported quotation because it doesn't exist. It's a big fat lie. My question is, why do you feel the need to lie? Is it because you argument is so weak? Is it because you are so weak minded you actually just want to believe its true? I already posted how you can find the full video. Considering I cannot post links yet, lets see if you are brave enough to do so so we can all see that your "quote" ;D exists. I'm betting that seeing as you lied so brazenly in the OP and here you are now still in denial, you will try desperately to ignore the real facts. Quote:
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by the wise one on Feb 10th, 2014 at 9:39am Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 8:00am:
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If you want to believe a video that has been doctored it just show how much of a idiot you are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EyW7oFk6n8 This is the full interview not something that has be doctored by the libturd party. Now do a bit of research and you will find the full quote Here are a couple of sites http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/09/gillards-carbon-tax-promise/ http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983 http://fairmediaalliance.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/there-will-be-no-carbon-tax-under-a-government-i-lead-but-lets-be-absolutely-clear-i-am-determined-to-price-carbon/ What about this video I notice none of you libturds ever put this up http://youtu.be/ckcH0Wrmy74 Now before you come on here and call people liars do a bit of research first and know what you are talking about. [/quote] I notice you didn't answer any of the links I put up and there is quotes on there where Gillard said "There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but let me be clear: I will be putting a price on carbon and I will move to an emissions trading scheme.” So what part of the last bit of the quote don't you understand. How about answering the bit in blue where it says it is a CARBON PRICE AND NOT A TAX Here are some more links for you where Gillard says but let me be clear: I will be putting a price on carbon and I will move to an emissions trading scheme.” http://thesnipertakesaim.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/lies-damned-lies-and-sour-grapes/ http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/cutandpaste/there-will-be-no-carbon-tax-under-the-journalist-i-choose-to-talk-to-about-kevins-plot/story-fn72xczz-1226768184345#mm-premium |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 10th, 2014 at 9:42am
Funny how Gillard's quote keeps changing. :D :D :D
There will be NO Carbon tax under the government I lead..... |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Soren on Feb 11th, 2014 at 1:33pm Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:28am:
Exactly. We put them into very safe boats, we give them food and water, fuel, we hug them, kiss them and wish them bon voyage, knowing that they are safer, much safer than they were when we found them. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:00pm Soren wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 1:33pm:
It is far more likely that we had been intercepting the boats in international waters (piracy). It seems we now are waiting until they reach our territory and then, even though it would be obvious the people on board would claim asylum, instead of then honouring our UNHCR obligations, we are putting them onto orange boats and we are towing them through international waters and setting them adrift just outside Indonesian territorial waters.......sometimes actually entering Indonesia and then letting them loose. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by GeorgeH on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:11pm
Errrrr they have been found just off Christmass Isl, Soren. And what Aussie said ^^^^
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:21pm chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:16pm:
You are lying. Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. And again, a few sentences later: There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia. That looks like Abbott denying the policy of tow backs to me. Now you're claiming he didn't say this? Either Abbott is lying or you are wrong. Which is it? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:24pm
The official policy never was tow back... that was labor misquoting and propaganda.
No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia. I'd have no problem with them doing just that, but the Indonesians might be a bit miffed. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:27pm Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
Okay.....we are all speculating...I acknowledge that. But....how do you explain the existence and use of the orange boats. How do they fit in? (Would you like that photo again....the one where there is an obvious tow line between a warship and an orange boat.) |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:28pm
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:31pm Aussie wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:27pm:
Would you like to be less vague and pose an actual question that makes sense? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:33pm chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:16pm:
Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
You have contradicted each other. One of you is wrong. Please work out amongst yourselves which one of you is wrong. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:37pm
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/02/01/unsinkable-asylum-lifeboat-found-java
Why would they need navigation aid if they weren't powered? :D |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:38pm Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:33pm:
Actually we could both be right in part. But as for the policy I am 100% correct. You can work out the rest yourself... I used to think you were bright enough to do that. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:39pm Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:31pm:
Okay. 1. Does the word 'multiple' mean 'two?' 2. How do the boat people, leaving Indonesia in crappy fishing vesells manage to get into brand new hi-tech orange boats owned by Australian taxpayers? 3. Would you like me to re-post that photo of an orange boat and a Warship attached by a tow line? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by FriYAY on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:45pm
Tow em back, turn em round, sink em, who cares.
As long as they stop coming. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:45pm Aussie wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:39pm:
Care to try again? What is your issue... I posted the article I explained the need for nav equipment... yet here we are still back at square one. Once a boat is is in the water how do you propose to keep it in proximity with the other vessel? How do people normally board a vessel? Do please try to engage your brain before replying again. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:46pm
1. Does the word 'multiple' mean 'two?'
Yes 2. How do the boat people, leaving Indonesia in crappy fishing vesells manage to get into brand new hi-tech orange boats owned by Australian taxpayers? By sinking the boats they traveled here with. 3. Would you like me to re-post that photo of an orange boat and a Warship attached by a tow line? Do as you please and continue posting useless questions. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:50pm Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:38pm:
That should be done by CL. He was the one that contradicted you, not me. I'll wait for the both of you to work out between yourselves what the policy actually is (or was), complete with links. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:52pm Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:50pm:
Don't be stupid, we don't know each other and we don't share the same politics anymore than you and I do. The policy was TURN Back The Boats not the labor lie. What is your point? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:56pm Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:45pm:
I get it. You wanted me to ask specific questions, and then, when I do, you ignore them. That's okay, 'cause I know you are not very good at this stuff. Cheers. :) |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 11th, 2014 at 4:08pm Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:54pm:
Hi AP..........care to explain? :) |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 11th, 2014 at 4:41pm Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:52pm:
At least one of you is posting rubbish without checking your facts. Surely you're smart enough to work this out. Read the highlighted bits again. Which one of you is correct? Were tow backs published Coalition policy or not? And if they were, why was Abbott denying this? Now, are you going to provide evidence? Or are you going to keep dodging the question? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Karnal on Feb 11th, 2014 at 4:53pm FriYAY wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:45pm:
Wank on them... They're actually called "sea biscuits" in some places, FriYay. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 11th, 2014 at 5:08pm
Coalition policy was to turn back boats where it was safe to do so.
Abbott may have said other things, but, really.....everyone went to the last election understanding that. But............... How does that stand up against ~ holding back, allowing the boats to arrive in Australia......take the boat people off their vessell............(while ignoring their claim for asylum) transfer them to an orange life boat we own........put a line on it.........and tow it through international waters and into or near to Indonesian waters? :-[ |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 11th, 2014 at 5:08pm
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 11th, 2014 at 5:31pm FriYAY wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:45pm:
Back to the Howard day attitudes / get out the machine guns - no more crying about them being sent to Malaysia. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 11th, 2014 at 6:23pm Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:50pm:
Don't be stupid, we don't know each other and we don't share the same politics anymore than you and I do. The policy was TURN Back The Boats not the labor lie. What is your point? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 11th, 2014 at 6:27pm Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 4:41pm:
I don't care what anyone else writes he's not my brother and I'm not his keeper. I answered your question. Lots of people post crap and wrong things here, I try to be much more accurate and correct. Are you denying what I said is correct? If not fine, I have no idea why you think i'm responsible for the errors of others. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 11th, 2014 at 6:29pm
[quote author=Aussie link=1391836204/166#166 date=1392102487]Coalition policy was to turn back boats where it was safe to do so.
Abbott may have said other things, but, really.....everyone went to the last election understanding that. But............... How does that stand up against ~ holding back, allowing the boats to arrive in Australia......take the boat people off their vessell............(while ignoring their claim for asylum) transfer them to an orange life boat we own........put a line on it.........and tow it through international waters and into or near to Indonesian waters? :-[/quote] There you go bam even Aussie knows it... now that is saying something. Aussie why would you need to tow a motorised boat? get that brain in gear. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 11th, 2014 at 9:41pm Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 6:29pm:
What is this, Grendel....an orange boat saving a Warship? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Kat on Feb 11th, 2014 at 9:45pm
Happy to see the boats sent/towed back.
As long as they are loaded with 'Aussie' conservatives first. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 11th, 2014 at 9:47pm Kat wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 9:45pm:
Too bad it's the opposite. They would all be future Labor voters on the dole like yourself. Maybe you should join them in solidarity comrade? Although you wouldn't have the guts. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Kat on Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:16pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 9:47pm:
Just what is it with you smegheads, that you find it necessary to accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being unemployed? Make you somehow feel 'superior'? Or are you jealous because YOU are, and I'm not? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by GeorgeH on Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:22pm
Stop feeding the troll, Kat.
You can’t win—they drag you down to their level of total idiocy then beat you with experience. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Kat on Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:26pm St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:22pm:
Hmmm... he sure seems to have plenty of that. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:37pm Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 6:27pm:
I asked for evidence. I asked more than once. Since you didn't provide any (despite being asked more than once), here is the evidence that you seem unable to provide. Abbott splitting hairs on the difference between towing and turning back the boats. (ABC Fact Check) The trouble is, you appear to be wrong. You have claimed: "The official policy never was tow back... that was labor misquoting and propaganda." Yet we have clear video footage of one of those orange lifeboats that the government purchased earlier, connected to an Australian warship by a rope and apparently being towed somewhere at sea. If that's not a boat being towed, what is it? Quote:
You're not a raving loony like some of the other posters here (on both sides). At least you bothered to respond; chickenlips apparently ran away and hid in some dark corner. But you may be wrong, if that inconvenient video footage is indeed a boat load of asylum seekers being towed by an Australian warship - a policy that you claimed did not exist. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:41pm
No one cares if they are towed or turned as long as they're gone.
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 11th, 2014 at 11:41pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 9:47pm:
They are typically "A" type personalities - people who take action and make things happen - Mostly conservatives by nature - except for the way they are treated by the Liberals that is. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by FriYAY on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:05am Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 5:31pm:
Howard used machine guns, what what what!! Rudd wanted them to rot on PNG. Malaysia!!! Just stop the people smuggling trade. There are millions out there with their hands out. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 12th, 2014 at 2:27pm |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 12th, 2014 at 4:28pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:41pm:
No one cares that our PM's word is meaningless ????? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 12th, 2014 at 4:31pm FriYAY wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:05am:
Howard used machine guns, what what what!! No but a lot of Liberal supporters who were later crying about the plight of refugees sent to Malaysia were previously suggesting that would have been an ideal solution and now as you see we have changed governments and gone full circle on opinion. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 12th, 2014 at 4:32pm
25 broken promise in 150 days
I don't believe that the number could possibly be that low. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm Quote:
I didn't see any original question but I did answer it anyway in my comments. The Policy is as I stated and more fully how Aussie quoted it. Did you miss them? The policy as Abbott has stated and clarified many times and as it has been repeated here was TURN BACK THE BOATS... how they do that is up to the people at the coalface. No boat has to my knowledge been found in our waters and towed back to Indonesia. The TOW Back cry was Labor propaganda. It isn't confusing or rocket science. I wasn't wrong or avoiding answering you that is being very disingenuous to say so. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 12th, 2014 at 7:41pm Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
Hang on Grendel. The policy was to 'turn back boats.....where it was safe to do so.' It was not....."Stalk, wait until they get inside our waters, pounce, put fingers in ears and not hear claims for asylum, take them off the fishing boat, load them into an orange boat, and then tow them out of Australia, through international high seas, and when they get near to, or even beyond Indonesian territory, let them loose." That is the only logical explanation for what we have seen, and that was not what the lying prick took the election. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 12th, 2014 at 7:58pm Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
Nonsense. Are you denying the existence of the footage? Quote:
So why are boats being towed after Abbott specifically denied this would happen? Quote:
You are cropping out much of my response though. Why are you trying to deny the undeniable? Quote:
That's the pot calling the kettle black. You are being disingenuous, cropping out those parts of my response that you cannot refute (that is, most of it) and then pretending I never said it. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:01pm
I also note that the rightards have not bothered to refute most of the items on this list. I note this tacit acceptance of this long list of broken promises.
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:29pm Aussie wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 7:41pm:
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:30pm Bam wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:01pm:
Well I told you why I'm not going to do it. It was so stupid I couldn't even be bothered reading it all. Why would you waste time refuting idiocy and lies? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:32pm Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:29pm:
That's typical dumb from you, Grendel. How about you do better than crap ad hom and address the points made. Any chance of that happening, Grendel? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:39pm Bam wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 7:58pm:
So why are boats being towed after Abbott specifically denied this would happen? OMG.... were the boats towed back from where they were intercepted to the Indonesian mainland? You got a quote where Abbott said boats would not be towed any distance if necessary? Or are you making that up too? THE POLICY was TURN BACK THE BOATS.... Labor called it TOW BACK the Boats... the lifeboats are motorised they go back under their own power as do as Aussie suggested boats "where it is safe to do so." Quote:
You are cropping out much of my response though. Why are you trying to deny the undeniable? You are being pedantic to the point of stupidity, I expect that from others not you. Quote:
That's the pot calling the kettle black. You are being disingenuous, cropping out those parts of my response that you cannot refute (that is, most of it) and then pretending I never said it. I haven't cropped out anything.... I answered your question, whatever it was. I explained the policy. If you are so politically biased you cannot or will not understand that then I won't waste my time with you anymore. [/quote] |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:43pm Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:30pm:
Your task is to explain why you think "it was so stupid". Your failure to do so is quite telling. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:50am Aussie wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:32pm:
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D wassup Aussie... sock drawer open? Trying to garner support for the unsupportable nonsense above? :D ;D :D :D |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:52am greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:43pm:
If you are so concerned your task is to explain to me why it actually isn't stupid... As usual, I won't be holding my breath. ::) |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:27am Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:39pm:
Yes, it must irk you to know that I have a point that you have difficulty refuting. [olist] If you think I'm wrong, you have two choices. Prove what you say or stop whining. Quote:
I provided a link. I provided a link because you refused to do so despite being asked more than once. Perhaps you should have clicked it and read it instead of deleting it, pretending it did not exist, and then complaining. If you're going to ignore a link and then be disingenuous about it that is not my problem. Quote:
You are cropping out much of my response though. Why are you trying to deny the undeniable?[/quote] You are being pedantic to the point of stupidity, I expect that from others not you.[/quote] So I'm taking the trouble to get the facts right and you delete most of my response, pretend it didn't exist, and then call it "pedantic" when I remind you? What a load of rubbish. I expected better of you. It is better to get the facts right rather than being lazy, disingenuous and deceitful like you are doing. Quote:
That's the pot calling the kettle black. You are being disingenuous, cropping out those parts of my response that you cannot refute (that is, most of it) and then pretending I never said it.[/quote] I haven't cropped out anything....[/quote] Oh, really? You deleted three paragraphs and a link, none of which you bothered to respond to. Here is what you cropped out and then falsely claimed you didn't crop out: Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:37pm:
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:30am Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:30pm:
Handwaving is not a refutation. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Bam on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:36am
In the interest of fairness, I will provide a quotation for the complete question and answer from Abbott and Bishop's press conference in Jakarta on October 1, 2013. In my previous post there was insufficient space to post it in full due to the character limit.
Joint Press Conference with Minister Julie Bishop, Jakarta - October 1 2013 (www.pm.gov.au) Quote:
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:46am Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:52am:
Incorrect. The onus is on you. However, we all know that you won't be presenting any evidence to substantiate your claim. You never provide evidence to support any of your claims. All you have are ill-informed opinions, which you mistakenly interpret as facts. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:57am
Peccerhead....
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by skippy. on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:58am
Nice self portrait, boofy.
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by FriYAY on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:03am
Who cares? All semantic rubbish.
Has anyone seen a boat towed all the way back to Indonesia? Stop the country shopping illegals, by any means. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:06am skippy. wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:58am:
Exactly. The ultimate troll, our little Grendel. Ill-informed opinions, backed up with ... well ... absolutely nothing. He either a) doesn't know how to cut & paste and cite references, or b) honestly believes that one's opinions are the same as facts. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:50am Bam wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:27am:
Yes, it must irk you to know that I have a point that you have difficulty refuting. I repeat I didn't crop anything... The only time things may get left off is because the site won't allow that many embedded quotes, someone edits my post or it has no relevance to my reply. I don't crop stuff to be deceptive as you are implying I'm not a dishonest person. You have no point I have difficulty refuting if I think it needs refuting. I'm not an Abbott fan I didn't even vote for him so enough of the shyt. The policy was TURN BACK THE BOATS the quote on the site states clearly what Abbott said about the Labor LIE... even Aussie knows what the policy was. I might not like or vote for someone but I won't lie about them, I'm not a rusted-on tribal idiot voter. I find it amusing and very hypocritical that you seem to find this so called "broken" promise so important when Gillard's blatant broken promise was much more important and was soooo clearly stated. I have been BTW a big Gillard fan... but she turned out to be a shyt PM. The boats have not been towed back to Indonesia. That was not Liberal policy. Personally I don't care how they stop these criminal idiots coming here in boats as long as they do. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:51am greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:06am:
More trolling? I'd report you and your crap if I was like you or the other more delicate LW Progs here. get personal with someone else TROLL... |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:00am Quote:
I think there is no room on board that particular vessel to store and launch that type of lifeboat. I think it's being towed... which would be normal procedure. What do you think? I suggest you take it up with customs or the navy, I don't have contacts there. I think that these lifeboats are tied up to allow safe entry to the vessel. I think they may be towed back to Indonesian waters... not the Indonesian mainland, on occassion, to make sure those on board can reach landfall safely and bid a fond farewell. Personally I'd tow em back to their port of departure and call the Indonesian authorities and have them all arrested and the people smugglers but we know how corrupt many Indonesians are and we know they want the money and this is a way to rid themselves of these "undesirables"... win-win for them... we all know they refuse to agree with the idea or returning them to the mainland via tow back... which is why it is not happening and why it was never POLICY |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by skippy. on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:06am Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:51am:
Why don't you do that, boofy? The fact you posted a pic and said it was greg will no doubt work in your favour, NOT. No wonder you're the forums whipping boy. ::) |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:21am Bam wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:30am:
Well I'm not waving my hand and I'm frankly sick of your inferences particularly when I'm more than courteous to you on most occasions. If you cannot see the reasons I find them stupid not to mention biased then why would I bother? How about the ridicule etc at the start of the article with the images? Do you honestly think this is going to be an unbiased article. Since when has this group been unbiased or even credible journalists? How about the lie "Pretty clear. No tow ropes".... talk about flippant idiocy. This... “Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.” Does not mean No Tow Ropes... of course as a matter of normal procedure and safety there will be TOW ROPES. It means boats will be turned around... but won't be getting towed back to Indonesian ports. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:27am Quote:
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:31am Quote:
oh dear, I haven't been deleting anything. I only quote what is necessary, that's what most people do. ::) Not lazy, not disingenuous or deceitful thank you very much. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:35am Quote:
I didn't crop anything out... I was not being deceitful, I am not lying. I posted what I was replying to... that is normal behaviour, we don't all post every bloody thing that has been said before in every bloody post. That would be bloody stupid. Posts wouldn't fit on the page. ::) |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:45am |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:47am
Having now read what you said I cropped out... I repeat... I posted what was needed for my reply... I have now well and truly answered all your stuff...
I already addressed it btw in the piece you just quoted. You dismissed it out of hand. There are many reasons for having a lifeboat in tow... I told Aussie to go away and think of some... I have now supplied some... why must I do all the thinking for you lot? Is your bias so all pervading you can't think? Now Bam... I hope everything is answered, me... I need a holiday from you. If I didn't respect you I would have just ignored you. I wasn't being dishonest etc, it isn't in my nature, but wasting time on things with biased people like Aussie, when it is so obvious there are other alternative reasons, then having you decide to mount the same argument, etc, when I expect better makes one reassess whether or not participating is worth it. Obviously we are all interested in politics... some though are here only to push the tribal barrow. I'm a LW Conservative swinging voter... rusted-ons are bad for our democracy, society and country. Bad for debate. Bad for politics in general. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:56am
24... starts of with a totally biased piece of ridicule... is that
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So you're trying to tell me this is going to be an honest factual piece? ;D ;D ;D Quote:
Let me tell you the seas and oceans are vast and there are no lines painted on the waves or fences out there. If you think mistakes cannot be made or you know exactly where you are to the millimetre at all times you are ignorant. Even in the vessels we own. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 13th, 2014 at 1:47pm Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:21am:
but won't be getting towed back to Indonesian ports. One of the most interesting but incorrect interpretations of a clear statement I have ever seen. That assessment would earn you a fail in 2nd grade of primary school. Had they been taking them back to port in Indonesia they would have simply taken them on board there would have been no need to supply a few hundred thousand dollars of boats and a slow tow back. None of the facts support your assessment, they all support tow backs having occurred. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 13th, 2014 at 4:24pm Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:47am:
Really......was it in your dreams, or did I miss it? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2014 at 4:57pm Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:56am:
I'm chipping in $10, for the Navy to buy a GPS. Would you like to donate as well? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 4:59pm Aussie wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 4:24pm:
Obviously you were asleep or missed it as usual. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:07pm Dnarever wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 1:47pm:
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:13pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 4:57pm:
Happy for you to tell us... how old the boats are what their guidance and positioning systems are and how accurate they are. Happy for you to confirm that they are infallible and that the seamen who use them are too. Happy for you to clarify the Commander's position and orders at the time. :D ;D :D ;D :D |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:19pm Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:13pm:
Considering how many times the incompetent Australian Navy have broken international laws, I'd say that the boats are pretty old, the guidance systems are obsolete, and their accuracy is quite poor. They're probably using these: Not acceptable. So, would you like to donate? Can I put you down for $10? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:21pm Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 4:59pm:
Let's see it then. Link please. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:26pm Aussie wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:21pm:
A link, from Grendel? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:32pm
This debate has wandered off course, and I may have contributed. Let's revisit the words of Abbott which are:
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Now tell me, in the context of those words, what those orange boats are, and why is there a tow line between a warship and one of them. The answer is. Abbott lied. Our mob become aware of a boat heading our way. We sit back and wait for it to arrive in our waters. We leap in, turn our ears off so we do not hear any claim for asylum...........we take them off Achmed's boat, bung them into one of our orange ones, and tow them out of Australia, through international waters, and back to Indonesian waters. Ya see.....no boats have arrived on our mainland as Abbott boasts. I'd love to have pointed out to me the holes in that scenario. How about you cods? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 6:56pm
:D ;D :D ;D :D ;D
Can't work out what ropes are for eh. How far is towing a boat back to Indonesia? 1m 10m 100m 1km or is it actually to a port or landfall ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D When is a Customs vessel a Naval vessel? You're like a small dog that thinks he has a very large bone Aussie. Oh and the Orange boats are Lifeboats. How does a vessel that cannot carry one or launch one actually address that problem? Surely they wouldn't tow it would they? :D ;D :D BTW I'm happy with your scenario. What's your problem with it? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 6:59pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:19pm:
I was expecting you to say they were using them actually, based on your lack of reason and logic. maybe they are using street directories eh. :D ;D :D Still waiting for those answers BTW... waiting, waiting, waiting.... Maybe I should start an incessant tirade about you "cropping" my post and ignoring the rest of what I said and my questions... whadayathink? ::) |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by skippy. on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:12pm Quote:
Boofy trying to brag he has a large bone again. ::) |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:15pm Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
Put your glasses on, old boy. I'll type the answers again, but slowly this time ... so you can keep up. "Considering how many times the incompetent Australian Navy have broken international laws, I'd say that the boats are pretty old, the guidance systems are obsolete, and their accuracy is quite poor." |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Aussie on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:50pm Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 6:56pm:
Why? Do you reckon that is what is actually happening? |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:40pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
So you don't know then eh.... Here you were giving everyone the impression you actually knew something. ::) ::) ::) |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:07pm Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:40pm:
No: I never gave anyone, any impression about anything. You were the one who asked the childish questions. Subsequently, I gave you my honest answers: "Considering how many times the incompetent Australian Navy have broken international laws, I'd say that the boats are pretty old, the guidance systems are obsolete, and their accuracy is quite poor." You really should try |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:19pm
If the ships in our navy are not using a modern global positioning system to plot their location to within 1 metre the relevant minister should be shot.
It is simply not believable that a current naval vessel would not have a very accurate positioning system when the average weekend pleasure craft does. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Dnarever on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:22pm
The captain's and half the crew's mobile phones would all be capable of telling exactly where they were down to a few metres.
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Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:55pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:07pm:
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You're not foolin anyone except yourself and the Prog cheer squad there Peccerhead. You started us off with your inane post... trying to ridicule what I posted, then couldn't supply the answers. No use knocking something if you don't know the facts peccer... you've been shown to be a fraud on this one. All piss and wind no substance. |
Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:57pm Dnarever wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:22pm:
Even Peccer got my point DNA. You need to sit down, relax and have a good long think. Or maybe read up on the subject. perhaps you'd like to answer the questions he couldn't? :D ;D :D |
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