Australian Politics Forum
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl
General Discussion >> Federal Politics >> 25 broken promise in 150 days
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1391836204

Message started by the wise one on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:10pm

Title: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by the wise one on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:10pm



here is the latest list of Abbotts lies

It is a Abbott’s new world record: 25 broken promises in 150 days



Now before all you libturds come on here and say that Julia Gillard lied before the 2010 election, here is the FULL QUOTE not half the quote like you libturds keep posting and saying she lied.


“There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon”. Julia Gillard


So now how about holding Abbott to account on the lies he has told, or are you going to be idiots and run away and by not saying anything you will hope it goes away.

http://youtu.be/kxq__3z9zGM

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 50 days
Post by adelcrow on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:11pm
He is working on the theory that if everything he says is a lie then people will stop noticing  :D

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 50 days
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:17pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:11pm:
He is working on the theory that if everything he says is a lie then people will stop noticing  :D



I hadn't noticed that.




Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 50 days
Post by Bam on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:18pm
Break one election promise, that is an outrage.

Break a hundred election promises, that is a statistic.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by stevieboy on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:12pm
Only 25, it seems like more.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Soren on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm

John S wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:10pm:



Independent Australia is a progressive journal focusing on politics, democracy, the environment, Australian history and Australian identity. It contains news and opinion from Australia and around the world.


Managing editor David Donovan

Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.


Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Stratos on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:30pm
So Soren what is he wrong about?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:31pm
The list looks pretty accurate to me, Soren.  Do you disagree with any of the alleged 'broken promises?'

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by the wise one on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

John S wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:10pm:



Independent Australia is a progressive journal focusing on politics, democracy, the environment, Australian history and Australian identity. It contains news and opinion from Australia and around the world.


Managing editor David Donovan

Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.



So you can't defend Abbott with his lies so you attack the web site and the owner of the site.

So when you grow some balls come back and defend Abbott and all his lies

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.



Is any of it incorrect?



Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by cods on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

John S wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:10pm:



Independent Australia is a progressive journal focusing on politics, democracy, the environment, Australian history and Australian identity. It contains news and opinion from Australia and around the world.


Managing editor David Donovan

Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.




THE INDEPENDENT./.. THE TRUTH AS WE SEE IT..... NOT AS IT REALLY IS..LOLOLOL....

wiseone must be back on the pay list.... ::) ::)

he really thinks anyone other than he and crow believe it ...did they mention stopping the boats..... ;D ;D ;D ;D

did they mention labor lies about the debt.... ;D ;D ;D

did they mention their shares in the sour grape market.;D

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by cods on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:34pm
did they mention the senate?????????? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:35pm

John S wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

John S wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:10pm:



Independent Australia is a progressive journal focusing on politics, democracy, the environment, Australian history and Australian identity. It contains news and opinion from Australia and around the world.


Managing editor David Donovan

Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.


So when you grow some balls ...




Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by the wise one on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:41pm

cods wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

John S wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:10pm:



Independent Australia is a progressive journal focusing on politics, democracy, the environment, Australian history and Australian identity. It contains news and opinion from Australia and around the world.


Managing editor David Donovan

Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.




THE INDEPENDENT./.. THE TRUTH AS WE SEE IT..... NOT AS IT REALLY IS..LOLOLOL....

wiseone must be back on the pay list.... ::) ::)

he really thinks anyone other than he and crow believe it ...did they mention stopping the boats..... ;D ;D ;D ;D

did they mention labor lies about the debt.... ;D ;D ;D

did they mention their shares in the sour grape market.;D



Come on you sweet old lady lets see you come back and defend Abbott or can't you? will you run away like you usually do.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by GeorgeH on Feb 8th, 2014 at 5:12pm
Very penetrating bit about that blue tie—the simian can’t put a tie on straight! At his age!

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Bam on Feb 8th, 2014 at 6:15pm

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

John S wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:10pm:



Independent Australia is a progressive journal focusing on politics, democracy, the environment, Australian history and Australian identity. It contains news and opinion from Australia and around the world.


Managing editor David Donovan

Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.


cods wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:
THE INDEPENDENT./.. THE TRUTH AS WE SEE IT..... NOT AS IT REALLY IS..LOLOLOL....

Typical ad hominem response from the rightards. Cannot refute the message so they decide to attack the messenger.

Your logical fallacy is ad hominem

Quote:
You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.

Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.


Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Stratos on Feb 8th, 2014 at 6:28pm
They should keep their mouths shut unless they have anything to back it up.

heaven forbid they get out-witted by a "Chardonnay socialist"

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 8th, 2014 at 6:33pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 6:28pm:
They should keep their mouths shut unless they have anything to back it up.

heaven forbid they get out-witted by a "Chardonnay socialist"



Someone called?    [smiley=huh.gif]

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by froggie on Feb 8th, 2014 at 6:34pm

cods wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:
THE INDEPENDENT./.. THE TRUTH AS WE SEE IT..... NOT AS IT REALLY IS..LOLOLOL....

wiseone must be back on the pay list.... ::) ::)

he really thinks anyone other than he and crow believe it ...did they mention stopping the boats..... ;D ;D ;D ;D

did they mention labor lies about the debt.... ;D ;D ;D

did they mention their shares in the sour grape market.;D



And what would they be, cods???

:)

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Soren on Feb 8th, 2014 at 7:39pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 6:28pm:
They should keep their mouths shut unless they have anything to back it up.

heaven forbid they get out-witted by a "Chardonnay socialist"

Being predicatbly tendentious is not an argument.
You are a living example of that eternal principle - you have all the kneejerk evasiveness and spineless exusing at your fingertips better than anyone could wish for - but no actual thought and no persuasive or coherent/consistent  argument. All robotic, reflex party line and no living thought.

That vanity press, Independent Australia, appeals to you just because of that very shared quality.




Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Stratos on Feb 8th, 2014 at 7:47pm

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 7:39pm:
but no actual thought and no persuasive or coherent/consistent  argument


I'm sorry, have we started being ironic already?

Still waiting for an actual argument against what has been said.

Come on son, is that the best you can do?  You going to let a small left wing paper get the better of you or are you just going to continue ad homing?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by skippy. on Feb 8th, 2014 at 8:51pm

cods wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

John S wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:10pm:



Independent Australia is a progressive journal focusing on politics, democracy, the environment, Australian history and Australian identity. It contains news and opinion from Australia and around the world.


Managing editor David Donovan

Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.




THE INDEPENDENT./.. THE TRUTH AS WE SEE IT..... NOT AS IT REALLY IS..LOLOLOL....

wiseone must be back on the pay list.... ::) ::)

he really thinks anyone other than he and crow believe it ...did they mention stopping the boats..... ;D ;D ;D ;D

did they mention labor lies about the debt.... ;D ;D ;D

did they mention their shares in the sour grape market.;D

Yes dear, you forgot to tell us what he got wrong, care to name any? Bet ya can't. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D oh LOL, come in sucker.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Karnal on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:22pm

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

John S wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:10pm:



Independent Australia is a progressive journal focusing on politics, democracy, the environment, Australian history and Australian identity. It contains news and opinion from Australia and around the world.


Managing editor David Donovan

Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.


"Progressives".

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Karnal on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:26pm

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 7:39pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 6:28pm:
They should keep their mouths shut unless they have anything to back it up.

heaven forbid they get out-witted by a "Chardonnay socialist"

Being predicatbly tendentious is not an argument.
You are a living example of that eternal principle - you have all the kneejerk evasiveness and spineless exusing at your fingertips better than anyone could wish for - but no actual thought and no persuasive or coherent/consistent  argument. All robotic, reflex party line and no living thought.


I say, old boy, that’s not fair. Longy is not here to defend himself. I do feel we need to speak to...

Oh, I forgot. You are he.

Most sorry, old chap.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Karnal on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:31pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.



Is any of it incorrect?


No no, but that’s not the point. It’s all robotic, reflex party line and no living thought.

The old boy wants to know where he can sign up.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Bam on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:02pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.



Is any of it incorrect?

No no, but that’s not the point.

Actually, that IS the point. None of the rightards have been able to refute the argument in whole or in part.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Bam on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:04pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

John S wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:10pm:



Independent Australia is a progressive journal focusing on politics, democracy, the environment, Australian history and Australian identity. It contains news and opinion from Australia and around the world.


Managing editor David Donovan

Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.


"Progressives".

I see you're joining the ad hominem fallacy club. Get in line, there's a lot of miserable rightards ahead of you, none of whom can write an honest refutation between them.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Karnal on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:12pm

Bam wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.



Is any of it incorrect?

No no, but that’s not the point.

Actually, that IS the point. None of the rightards have been able to refute the argument in whole or in part.


Yes, but that is the point too. The retards put up dumb Bolt threads and everyone has a good old chuckle. The leftards put up obscure leftard sources and the retards say, you see? Leftard propaganda. They then have a sulk and a moan - they don’t chuckle - and we all go off to bed to live and fight another day.

It ’s a game as old as time, and it’s so dull I forgot what this thread is about.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Karnal on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:14pm

Bam wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:04pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

John S wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:10pm:



Independent Australia is a progressive journal focusing on politics, democracy, the environment, Australian history and Australian identity. It contains news and opinion from Australia and around the world.


Managing editor David Donovan

Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.


"Progressives".

I see you're joining the ad hominem fallacy club. Get in line, there's a lot of miserable rightards ahead of you, none of whom can write an honest refutation between them.


True, but I put it in quotation marks for those who work  at the uni.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Soren on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.



Is any of it incorrect?

Yes, it's all a hatchet job, tendentious and untrue.



You tell me which part of it is actually true, you tell me which election promise has been broken.


Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Stratos on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:27pm

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
Yes, it's all a hatchet job, tendentious and untrue.


Which parts are untrue Soren?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Karnal on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:34pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:27pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
Yes, it's all a hatchet job, tendentious and untrue.


Which parts are untrue Soren?


He won’t say. It’s tendentious, you see.

The old boy prefers robotic, reflex party line and no living thought.

All absence of life is a miracle to the old boy. It does inspire him so.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Soren on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:37pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:34pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:27pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
Yes, it's all a hatchet job, tendentious and untrue.


Which parts are untrue Soren?


He won’t say. It’s tendentious, you see.

The old boy prefers robotic, reflex party line and no living thought.

All absence of life is a miracle to the old boy. It does inspire him so.

All of it is untrue.


Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Karnal on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:47pm

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:37pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:34pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:27pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
Yes, it's all a hatchet job, tendentious and untrue.


Which parts are untrue Soren?


He won’t say. It’s tendentious, you see.

The old boy prefers robotic, reflex party line and no living thought.

All absence of life is a miracle to the old boy. It does inspire him so.

All of it is untrue.


Ah. I’ll bet it’s tendentious too, no?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Maqqa on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:05am
This is before LIBs discovered a $300B blackhole in Labor's Budget

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Maqqa on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:11am
Interesting that wise-one's only source of anti-LIBs info is from the independentaustralia

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Karnal on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:47am

Maqqa wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:05am:
This is before LIBs discovered a $300B blackhole in Labor's Budget


Ah. How’s this one for tendentious, old boy?

He’s even got a sum.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Karnal on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:49am

Maqqa wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:11am:
Interesting that wise-one's only source of anti-LIBs info is from the independentaustralia


Yes, I know, we’ve been discussing that.

No chuckling, Maqqa. You need to sulk,  moan, and head off to bed. In that order.

Oh - you have.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Spot of Borg on Feb 9th, 2014 at 5:24am

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.



Is any of it incorrect?

Yes, it's all a hatchet job, tendentious and untrue.



You tell me which part of it is actually true, you tell me which election promise has been broken.


Read the article . . . .

SOB

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:14am
Promise #25 - Boat tow backs

What the nuts at IA say he said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia."


What he actually said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia. There is just a world of difference and if I may say so, there has been a tendency of people to put to other people what is not the Coalition’s policy in an attempt to, I think, generate a headline rather than constructively address this issue."


The highlighted bit was missing from IA's selective editing of "broken promise" number 25. He hasn't broken a promise at all. He is turning boats around, as he promised to do before the election and for the entire time he was Opposition Leader. IA's bull$hit meter: extreme!


Promise #19 - No deals with the Greens

Last August Abbott insisted most emphatically that he would never “... do cheap and tawdry deals with the Greens.”

Barely in office, the government swooped on the chance to cut a deal with the Greens to remove the debt ceiling.

After years in opposition condemning Labor’s relatively modest debt, this is as tawdry as it comes.



Actually, there was no deal made with the Greens. A deal means the Greens get something in return and they got nothing. It was a very rare case of the Greens showing some common sense on issues other than the environment. IA's bull$hit meter: very high!


Promise #18: Sophie Mirabella

When the divisive former Liberal Party member for Indi lost her seat in a surprise rejection by voters, Abbott declared that there would be no government job for Mirabella.

Just kidding!

She is now on the board of the submarine maintenance body.


Actually, way back in 1985 Kockums, Chicago Bridge & Iron, Wormald International and the Australian Industry Development Corporation joined forces and formed the Australian Submarine Corporation. It's not government owned or run. IA's bull$hit meter: extreme!

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:34am

Maqqa wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:11am:
Interesting that wise-one's only source of anti-LIBs info is from the independentaustralia


Not when you consider the fact-drought and outright sycophancy of
the MSM towards the con-servatives, it isn't.

The MSM is complicit in the betrayal of Australia, and has both blood
and dirt on its hands.


Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:42am

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:34am:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:11am:
Interesting that wise-one's only source of anti-LIBs info is from the independentaustralia


Not when you consider the fact-drought and outright sycophancy of
the MSM towards the con-servatives, it isn't.

The MSM is complicit in the betrayal of Australia, and has both blood
and dirt on its hands.


You're spot-on about that with ABC's handling of the illegal immigrants' lies about the Navy torturing their hands! That is a despicable betrayal of our country and our navy.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Bam on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:45am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:14am:
Promise #25 - Boat tow backs

What the nuts at IA say he said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia."


What he actually said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia. There is just a world of difference and if I may say so, there has been a tendency of people to put to other people what is not the Coalition’s policy in an attempt to, I think, generate a headline rather than constructively address this issue."


The highlighted bit was missing from IA's selective editing of "broken promise" number 25. He hasn't broken a promise at all. He is turning boats around, as he promised to do before the election and for the entire time he was Opposition Leader. IA's bull$hit meter: extreme!

You're splitting hairs.

Abbott the Mendacious clearly denied tow-backs. Yet we have footage of Navy ships using ropes to tow asylum seekers in boats back to Indonesia. That rope between the ships is not there for decoration.

You are also being hypocritical, getting all hot and bothered about context after you did the same to Gillard over one quotation, over and over, for nearly three years. If you think you have the right to beat up "carbon tax" out of context, you have no right, no right whatsoever to complain if others point out that Abbott repudiated tow backs.

"Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs." He said it. He said it very clearly. He lied.


Quote:
Promise #19 - No deals with the Greens

Last August Abbott insisted most emphatically that he would never “... do cheap and tawdry deals with the Greens.”

Barely in office, the government swooped on the chance to cut a deal with the Greens to remove the debt ceiling.

After years in opposition condemning Labor’s relatively modest debt, this is as tawdry as it comes.

Actually, there was no deal made with the Greens. A deal means the Greens get something in return and they got nothing. It was a very rare case of the Greens showing some common sense on issues other than the environment. IA's bull$hit meter: very high!

You're just making up crap. Since when do you get to define what a "deal" is? How do you know there's no hidden commitment on other future legislation?


Quote:
Promise #18: Sophie Mirabella

When the divisive former Liberal Party member for Indi lost her seat in a surprise rejection by voters, Abbott declared that there would be no government job for Mirabella.

Just kidding!

She is now on the board of the submarine maintenance body.


Actually, way back in 1985 Kockums, Chicago Bridge & Iron, Wormald International and the Australian Industry Development Corporation joined forces and formed the Australian Submarine Corporation. It's not government owned or run. IA's bull$hit meter: extreme!

So how did she get that job, hmm? Sending out her resume and competing with 300 other applications and sitting through four interviews? Not bloody likely. More likely, it was the Liberal party pulling the strings so Liberal party hacks like Mirabella can get comfortable jobs after politics without having to work to get them or keep them.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:50am

Bam wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:14am:
Promise #25 - Boat tow backs

What the nuts at IA say he said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia."


What he actually said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia. There is just a world of difference and if I may say so, there has been a tendency of people to put to other people what is not the Coalition’s policy in an attempt to, I think, generate a headline rather than constructively address this issue."


The highlighted bit was missing from IA's selective editing of "broken promise" number 25. He hasn't broken a promise at all. He is turning boats around, as he promised to do before the election and for the entire time he was Opposition Leader. IA's bull$hit meter: extreme!

You're splitting hairs.

Abbott the Mendacious clearly denied tow-backs. Yet we have footage of Navy ships using ropes to tow asylum seekers in boats back to Indonesia. That rope between the ships is not there for decoration.

You are also being hypocritical, getting all hot and bothered about context after you did the same to Gillard over one quotation, over and over, for nearly three years. If you think you have the right to beat up "carbon tax" out of context, you have no right, no right whatsoever to complain if others point out that Abbott repudiated tow backs.

"Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs." He said it. He said it very clearly. He lied.

Are we towing them back to Indonesia? No. Are we towing them out of our waters, yes, if they don't go willingly. No broken promises here!


Quote:
Promise #19 - No deals with the Greens

Last August Abbott insisted most emphatically that he would never “... do cheap and tawdry deals with the Greens.”

Barely in office, the government swooped on the chance to cut a deal with the Greens to remove the debt ceiling.

After years in opposition condemning Labor’s relatively modest debt, this is as tawdry as it comes.

Actually, there was no deal made with the Greens. A deal means the Greens get something in return and they got nothing. It was a very rare case of the Greens showing some common sense on issues other than the environment. IA's bull$hit meter: very high!

You're just making up crap. Since when do you get to define what a "deal" is? How do you know there's no hidden commitment on other future legislation?

You think the Greens could possibly ever keep quiet about something they got out of Abbott? Of course not. The Greens got nothing except VERY rare praise.

[quote]Promise #18: Sophie Mirabella

When the divisive former Liberal Party member for Indi lost her seat in a surprise rejection by voters, Abbott declared that there would be no government job for Mirabella.

Just kidding!

She is now on the board of the submarine maintenance body.


Actually, way back in 1985 Kockums, Chicago Bridge & Iron, Wormald International and the Australian Industry Development Corporation joined forces and formed the Australian Submarine Corporation. It's not government owned or run. IA's bull$hit meter: extreme!

So how did she get that job, hmm? Sending out her resume and competing with 300 other applications and sitting through four interviews? Not bloody likely. More likely, it was the Liberal party pulling the strings so Liberal party hacks like Mirabella can get comfortable jobs after politics without having to work to get them or keep them.

Even if you were right, which you're not, it is nothing compared to the nepotism/jobs for the boys that exists when Labor is on office. How do you not know Mirabella was not sought out by ASC? She clearly has the credentials for the job.
[/quote]

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by John Smith on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:16am
Armpit you are an idiot .... now you're changing your argument from 'he never promised to not tow boats' to 'but we aren't towing them back to Indonesia'  ;D ;D ;D ;D pathetic 

Oh, and please show us what credentials Sophina Mirrabella has to be on a board about submarines? By the way, Giving sailors blow jobs does not qualify as a qualification.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by skippy. on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:22am
Sophie does have a great set of lips, in fact that's all she has going for her.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by John Smith on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:26am

skippy. wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Sophie does have a great set of lips, in fact that's all she has going for her.


you'd need to be careful you cut the hole in the bag in the correct position though ..... you wouldn't want to poke her in the eye. ;D ;D

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:26am

skippy. wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Sophie does have a great set of lips, in fact that's all she has going for her.


Which is still far more than you have ever or will ever have going for you, that's for sure!

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by John Smith on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:27am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:26am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Sophie does have a great set of lips, in fact that's all she has going for her.


Which is still far more than you have ever or will ever have going for you, that's for sure!


you don't like Skips lips?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:35am

John Smith wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:16am:
Armpit you are an idiot .... now you're changing your argument from 'he never promised to not tow boats' to 'but we aren't towing them back to Indonesia'  ;D ;D ;D ;D pathetic 

Oh, and please show us what credentials Sophina Mirrabella has to be on a board about submarines? By the way, Giving sailors blow jobs does not qualify as a qualification.


Worried she's going to muscle in on your territory, eh?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by John Smith on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:38am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:35am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:16am:
Armpit you are an idiot .... now you're changing your argument from 'he never promised to not tow boats' to 'but we aren't towing them back to Indonesia'  ;D ;D ;D ;D pathetic 

Oh, and please show us what credentials Sophina Mirrabella has to be on a board about submarines? By the way, Giving sailors blow jobs does not qualify as a qualification.


Worried she's going to muscle in on your territory, eh?


you upset you might miss out ?.... not to worry, a staunch lib like you, I'm sure Matty could have a word with her to give you one for the team ...

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Bam on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:01am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:50am:

Bam wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:45am:
[quote author=ArmchairPolitician link=1391836204/39#39 date=1391890450]Promise #25 - Boat tow backs

What the nuts at IA say he said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia."


What he actually said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia. There is just a world of difference and if I may say so, there has been a tendency of people to put to other people what is not the Coalition’s policy in an attempt to, I think, generate a headline rather than constructively address this issue."


The highlighted bit was missing from IA's selective editing of "broken promise" number 25. He hasn't broken a promise at all. He is turning boats around, as he promised to do before the election and for the entire time he was Opposition Leader. IA's bull$hit meter: extreme!

You're splitting hairs.

Abbott the Mendacious clearly denied tow-backs. Yet we have footage of Navy ships using ropes to tow asylum seekers in boats back to Indonesia. That rope between the ships is not there for decoration.

You are also being hypocritical, getting all hot and bothered about context after you did the same to Gillard over one quotation, over and over, for nearly three years. If you think you have the right to beat up "carbon tax" out of context, you have no right, no right whatsoever to complain if others point out that Abbott repudiated tow backs.

"Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs." He said it. He said it very clearly. He lied.

Are we towing them back to Indonesia? No. Are we towing them out of our waters, yes, if they don't go willingly. No broken promises here!

You are moving the goal posts.

Did Abbott deny that boats would be towed? Yes. "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs."
Are we towing them? Yes. See video footage for details.

He denied tow backs would occur. He lied.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Bam on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:04am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:50am:

Quote:
Promise #19 - No deals with the Greens

Last August Abbott insisted most emphatically that he would never “... do cheap and tawdry deals with the Greens.”

Barely in office, the government swooped on the chance to cut a deal with the Greens to remove the debt ceiling.

After years in opposition condemning Labor’s relatively modest debt, this is as tawdry as it comes.

Actually, there was no deal made with the Greens. A deal means the Greens get something in return and they got nothing. It was a very rare case of the Greens showing some common sense on issues other than the environment. IA's bull$hit meter: very high!

You're just making up crap. Since when do you get to define what a "deal" is? How do you know there's no hidden commitment on other future legislation?

You think the Greens could possibly ever keep quiet about something they got out of Abbott? Of course not. The Greens got nothing except VERY rare praise.

The Greens did get something out of it. Their policy of scrapping the debt ceiling was adopted by the Coalition.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Bam on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:16am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:50am:

Quote:
Promise #18: Sophie Mirabella

When the divisive former Liberal Party member for Indi lost her seat in a surprise rejection by voters, Abbott declared that there would be no government job for Mirabella.

Just kidding!

She is now on the board of the submarine maintenance body.


Actually, way back in 1985 Kockums, Chicago Bridge & Iron, Wormald International and the Australian Industry Development Corporation joined forces and formed the Australian Submarine Corporation. It's not government owned or run. IA's bull$hit meter: extreme!

So how did she get that job, hmm? Sending out her resume and competing with 300 other applications and sitting through four interviews? Not bloody likely. More likely, it was the Liberal party pulling the strings so Liberal party hacks like Mirabella can get comfortable jobs after politics without having to work to get them or keep them.

Even if you were right, which you're not

So prove it.


Quote:
, it is nothing compared to the nepotism/jobs for the boys that exists when Labor is on office.

Tu quoque fallacies do not invalidate my argument.


Quote:
How do you not know Mirabella was not sought out by ASC?

How do you know that she was?


Quote:
She clearly has the credentials for the job.

And those credentials are? Did she serve in the military? Did she serve in the Navy? Does she have a nautical engineering background?

Being a member of the Liberal party and a former Liberal parliamentarian doesn't count.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:50am
Let's get one thing very clear.  The Australian Submarine Corporation is wholly owned by the Australian Government.

Click here.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by alevine on Feb 9th, 2014 at 11:52am

cods wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

John S wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:10pm:



Independent Australia is a progressive journal focusing on politics, democracy, the environment, Australian history and Australian identity. It contains news and opinion from Australia and around the world.


Managing editor David Donovan

Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.




THE INDEPENDENT./.. THE TRUTH AS WE SEE IT..... NOT AS IT REALLY IS..LOLOLOL....

wiseone must be back on the pay list.... ::) ::)

he really thinks anyone other than he and crow believe it ...did they mention stopping the boats..... ;D ;D ;D ;D

did they mention labor lies about the debt.... ;D ;D ;D

did they mention their shares in the sour grape market.;D


You are an amazing specimen, cods.
Because it is the independent, all abbots lies are lies in themselves.

No wonder tony has been able to turn the issue of navy burning asylum seekers into reporting by the abc, when the community includes dummies like you.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 11:59am

stevieboy wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:12pm:
Only 25, it seems like more.



It is saying blatant broken promises, many more but with possibly some form of mitigation or point of debate.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:08pm

Bam wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.



Is any of it incorrect?

No no, but that’s not the point.

Actually, that IS the point. None of the rightards have been able to refute the argument in whole or in part.



I think you will find that they like that it is only 25 named lies - They know it is really a lot worse for them - this is a good result for the conservatives.


Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Bam on Feb 9th, 2014 at 1:40pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.

Is any of it incorrect?

No no, but that’s not the point.

Actually, that IS the point. None of the rightards have been able to refute the argument in whole or in part.

I think you will find that they like that it is only 25 named lies - They know it is really a lot worse for them - this is a good result for the conservatives.

If we did a little digging, we might uncover a few more lies and broken promises from the Coalition.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 2:49pm

Bam wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.

Is any of it incorrect?

No no, but that’s not the point.

Actually, that IS the point. None of the rightards have been able to refute the argument in whole or in part.

I think you will find that they like that it is only 25 named lies - They know it is really a lot worse for them - this is a good result for the conservatives.

If we did a little digging, we might uncover a few more lies and broken promises from the Coalition.


And I doubt you'd need an excavator or a back-hoe either.

A child's beach-spade should suffice.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Bam on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:25pm

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 2:49pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.

Is any of it incorrect?

No no, but that’s not the point.

Actually, that IS the point. None of the rightards have been able to refute the argument in whole or in part.

I think you will find that they like that it is only 25 named lies - They know it is really a lot worse for them - this is a good result for the conservatives.

If we did a little digging, we might uncover a few more lies and broken promises from the Coalition.


And I doubt you'd need an excavator or a back-hoe either.

A child's beach-spade should suffice.

Or a pointed stick wielded with a little enthusiasm.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:38pm

Bam wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 2:49pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.

Is any of it incorrect?

No no, but that’s not the point.

Actually, that IS the point. None of the rightards have been able to refute the argument in whole or in part.

I think you will find that they like that it is only 25 named lies - They know it is really a lot worse for them - this is a good result for the conservatives.

If we did a little digging, we might uncover a few more lies and broken promises from the Coalition.


And I doubt you'd need an excavator or a back-hoe either.

A child's beach-spade should suffice.

Or a pointed stick wielded with a little enthusiasm.



[smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:39pm

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 2:49pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.

Is any of it incorrect?

No no, but that’s not the point.

Actually, that IS the point. None of the rightards have been able to refute the argument in whole or in part.

I think you will find that they like that it is only 25 named lies - They know it is really a lot worse for them - this is a good result for the conservatives.

If we did a little digging, we might uncover a few more lies and broken promises from the Coalition.


And I doubt you'd need an excavator or a back-hoe either.

A child's beach-spade should suffice.


On the other hand, you'd need one of those colossal-sized scoops used in open-cut mines to clean up the $hit and lies and broken promises left behind by six years of Labor.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:48pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 2:49pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.

Is any of it incorrect?

No no, but that’s not the point.

Actually, that IS the point. None of the rightards have been able to refute the argument in whole or in part.

I think you will find that they like that it is only 25 named lies - They know it is really a lot worse for them - this is a good result for the conservatives.

If we did a little digging, we might uncover a few more lies and broken promises from the Coalition.


And I doubt you'd need an excavator or a back-hoe either.

A child's beach-spade should suffice.


On the other hand, you'd need one of those colossal-sized scoops used in open-cut mines to clean up the $hit and lies and broken promises left behind by six years of Labor.



Oh, you mean the non-existent ones which you keep posting as if they're proven fact?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by the wise one on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:51pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:39pm:
On the other hand, you'd need one of those colossal-sized scoops used in open-cut mines to clean up the $hit and lies and broken promises left behind by six years of Labor.



What shyte, lies and broken promises are you talking about armpit.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:54pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 2:49pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.

Is any of it incorrect?

No no, but that’s not the point.

Actually, that IS the point. None of the rightards have been able to refute the argument in whole or in part.

I think you will find that they like that it is only 25 named lies - They know it is really a lot worse for them - this is a good result for the conservatives.

If we did a little digging, we might uncover a few more lies and broken promises from the Coalition.


And I doubt you'd need an excavator or a back-hoe either.

A child's beach-spade should suffice.


On the other hand, you'd need one of those colossal-sized scoops used in open-cut mines to clean up the $hit and lies and broken promises left behind by six years of Labor.


Glad to see you back AP.  Aren't you just a tad embarrassed about that 100% dishonest post you made when you claimed that the Australian Submarine Corporation was not Government owned and controlled? 

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 9th, 2014 at 4:34pm

John S wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:39pm:
On the other hand, you'd need one of those colossal-sized scoops used in open-cut mines to clean up the $hit and lies and broken promises left behind by six years of Labor.



What shyte, lies and broken promises are you talking about armpit.


The first lie is particularly telling of Labor's incompetence. Read this: https://lpaweb-static.s3.amazonaws.com/Labor_tells_lies_Sept%2012.pdf

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:07pm
How's it going AP?  Do you want to apologise for this outright deliberate dishonesty?


Quote:
Actually, way back in 1985 Kockums, Chicago Bridge & Iron, Wormald International and the Australian Industry Development Corporation joined forces and formed the Australian Submarine Corporation. It's not government owned or run.


Anytime soon would be honourable.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by alevine on Feb 9th, 2014 at 7:16pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:07pm:
How's it going AP?  Do you want to apologise for this outright deliberate dishonesty?


Quote:
Actually, way back in 1985 Kockums, Chicago Bridge & Iron, Wormald International and the Australian Industry Development Corporation joined forces and formed the Australian Submarine Corporation. It's not government owned or run.


Anytime soon would be honourable.


Armpit is eating a sandwich.  He'll not reply from this point on.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 7:59pm

Quote:
Now before all you libturds come on here and say that Julia



Gillard lied before the 2010 election, here is the FULL QUOTE not half the quote like you libturds keep posting and saying she lied.


“There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon”. Julia Gillard


When the OP clearly lies in the first post, then nothing else can really be believed. Just because Juila lied doesn't mean its ok for you to lie about her lie.

You should try a bit harder to not lie. It's not a good look to be a liar. No one likes a liar.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Stratos on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:03pm
That doesn't look like a first post....

Did someone get banned this morning?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:06pm
That was a first post.

Now back to the topic of lying about Gillards lie.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:16pm

Bam wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:01am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:50am:

Bam wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:45am:
[quote author=ArmchairPolitician link=1391836204/39#39 date=1391890450]Promise #25 - Boat tow backs

What the nuts at IA say he said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia."


What he actually said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia. There is just a world of difference and if I may say so, there has been a tendency of people to put to other people what is not the Coalition’s policy in an attempt to, I think, generate a headline rather than constructively address this issue."


The highlighted bit was missing from IA's selective editing of "broken promise" number 25. He hasn't broken a promise at all. He is turning boats around, as he promised to do before the election and for the entire time he was Opposition Leader. IA's bull$hit meter: extreme!

You're splitting hairs.

Abbott the Mendacious clearly denied tow-backs. Yet we have footage of Navy ships using ropes to tow asylum seekers in boats back to Indonesia. That rope between the ships is not there for decoration.

You are also being hypocritical, getting all hot and bothered about context after you did the same to Gillard over one quotation, over and over, for nearly three years. If you think you have the right to beat up "carbon tax" out of context, you have no right, no right whatsoever to complain if others point out that Abbott repudiated tow backs.

"Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs." He said it. He said it very clearly. He lied.

Are we towing them back to Indonesia? No. Are we towing them out of our waters, yes, if they don't go willingly. No broken promises here!

You are moving the goal posts.

Did Abbott deny that boats would be towed? Yes. "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs."
Are we towing them? Yes. See video footage for details.

He denied tow backs would occur. He lied.



Tow backs have been an integral part of Operation Sovereign Borders in which this policy was released to the public months before the election on the Liberal party website.
The public were well aware of this, and Abbott went to the election with it and won the election.
Your selective memory does you no credit whatsoever.
And tow backs will continue to be an integral part of a policy which has been very successful in the few months it has been active which is why it will remain despite the bleatings of the left side of politics or the Indonesians.
Smugglers boats will never be welcome in this country.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:21pm
It is understandable that the left side of politics are confused. It would be difficult for them to understand what a successful policy and outcome looks like, so this must come as a shock to their system.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:22pm
I haven't verified this, but assuming it to be an accurate quote of what Abbott said:


Quote:
What he actually said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia. There is just a world of difference ............


Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to explain what that means?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:25pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:22pm:
I haven't verified this, but assuming it to be an accurate quote of what Abbott said:


Quote:
What he actually said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia. There is just a world of difference ............


Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to explain what that means?

There has already been one misquote that you need to clear up first in this thread



Quote:
Now before all you libturds come on here and say that Julia



Gillard lied before the 2010 election, here is the FULL QUOTE not half the quote like you libturds keep posting and saying she lied.


“There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon”. Julia Gillard


Now why would someone post an obvious lie like that?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:29pm
So.....yeas we'll turn around (where it is safe to do so) but we will not tow back.  Right.  I get it.

So Phoney, you liar, what is happening here?  Is that orange vessell towing an Australian warship back to Australia?


Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:32pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:22pm:
I haven't verified this, but assuming it to be an accurate quote of what Abbott said:


Quote:
What he actually said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia. There is just a world of difference ............


Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to explain what that means?


Abbott's talking about the difference between towing back boats to Indonesian land, and towing back boats to where Indonesian waters meet international waters.
And Abbott is correct in saying there is a world of difference between the two.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:36pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:29pm:
So.....yeas we'll turn around (where it is safe to do so) but we will not tow back.  Right.  I get it.

So Phoney, you liar, what is happening here?  Is that orange vessell towing an Australian warship back to Australia?


No one cares. The job is being done where the ALP and Greens said it couldn't be.

That must be irksome.  ;)

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:37pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:32pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:22pm:
I haven't verified this, but assuming it to be an accurate quote of what Abbott said:


Quote:
What he actually said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia. There is just a world of difference ............


Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to explain what that means?


Abbott's talking about the difference between towing back boats to Indonesian land, and towing back boats to where Indonesian waters meet international waters.
And Abbott is correct in saying there is a world of difference between the two.


quiet, creative comprehension at work?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:39pm
Creative policy that works. Amazing after 6 years of policy failure by the ALP.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:41pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:29pm:
So.....yeas we'll turn around (where it is safe to do so) but we will not tow back.  Right.  I get it.

So Phoney, you liar, what is happening here?  Is that orange vessell towing an Australian warship back to Australia?


No one cares. The job is being done where the ALP and Greens said it couldn't be.

That must be irksome. 



For the previously 3 years honesty was the most important thing ???

Now it is absolutely meaningless apparently. 1 broken promise was vitally important but a dishonest government is something to be supported without question.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:42pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:22pm:
I haven't verified this, but assuming it to be an accurate quote of what Abbott said:


Quote:
What he actually said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia. There is just a world of difference ............


Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to explain what that means?

There has already been one misquote that you need to clear up first in this thread


[quote]Now before all you libturds come on here and say that Julia



Gillard lied before the 2010 election, here is the FULL QUOTE not half the quote like you libturds keep posting and saying she lied.


“There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon”. Julia Gillard


Now why would someone post an obvious lie like that?[/quote]


Anyone else getting a strong feeling of deja vu ?????

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:43pm
Honesty is saying they will stop the boats and doing it.

Dishonesty is saying "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

It would do you good to learn the difference for your own sake.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:45pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 7:59pm:

Quote:
Now before all you libturds come on here and say that Julia



Gillard lied before the 2010 election, here is the FULL QUOTE not half the quote like you libturds keep posting and saying she lied.


“There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon”. Julia Gillard


When the OP clearly lies in the first post, then nothing else can really be believed. Just because Juila lied doesn't mean its ok for you to lie about her lie.

You should try a bit harder to not lie. It's not a good look to be a liar. No one likes a liar.


Are you really that desperate to look like a fool, or was it an accident?

Whatever, it worked.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:47pm

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:45pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 7:59pm:

Quote:
Now before all you libturds come on here and say that Julia



Gillard lied before the 2010 election, here is the FULL QUOTE not half the quote like you libturds keep posting and saying she lied.


“There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon”. Julia Gillard


When the OP clearly lies in the first post, then nothing else can really be believed. Just because Juila lied doesn't mean its ok for you to lie about her lie.

You should try a bit harder to not lie. It's not a good look to be a liar. No one likes a liar.


Are you really that desperate to look like a fool, or was it an accident?

Whatever, it worked.

I see. So you know it was a lie and you come here and call me a fool for pointing out that the OP flat out lied.

Are you not very bright or did your low socio-economic background somehow exclude you from getting even the most basic level of education?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:50pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:41pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:29pm:
So.....yeas we'll turn around (where it is safe to do so) but we will not tow back.  Right.  I get it.

So Phoney, you liar, what is happening here?  Is that orange vessell towing an Australian warship back to Australia?


No one cares. The job is being done where the ALP and Greens said it couldn't be.

That must be irksome. 



For the previously 3 years honesty was the most important thing ???

Now it is absolutely meaningless apparently. I broken promise was vitally important but a dishonest government is something to be supported without question.


I feel your pain dude.
No foreign smugglers boats getting through for so long must be breaking your heart.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:50pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:43pm:
Honesty is saying they will stop the boats and doing it.

Dishonesty is saying "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

It would do you good to learn the difference for your own sake.



Seems you're determined to ignore the rest of the quote.

Well, here it is again, just for you...

" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..."

Not a lie on her part at all, nor on the part of The Wise One.

More a lack of comprehension skills on your part.

Or is it merely blind partisan bigotry and ignorance?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Grendel on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:51pm
Honestly, this is yet another bogus topic started bt Leftard Progressives in denial trying vainly to score points.

It is sad and not just a tad pathetic.

Obviously it is pointless trying to argue sense with them..


Quote:
“There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon”. Julia Gillard

Prime example a statement she made several time not every time with a caveat.
Face it even if you include it she still lied.
Her Government did bring in a carbon tax... ::) ::) ::)
It isn't worth the effort going over the list and pointing out the lies and errors which a sane person would recognise.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:52pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:32pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:22pm:
I haven't verified this, but assuming it to be an accurate quote of what Abbott said:


Quote:
What he actually said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia. There is just a world of difference ............


Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to explain what that means?


Abbott's talking about the difference between towing back boats to Indonesian land, and towing back boats to where Indonesian waters meet international waters.
And Abbott is correct in saying there is a world of difference between the two.


quiet, creative comprehension at work?


No, Abbott distinction between the two was pretty loud and clear to me.
Do you know how far Indonesian land is from where their waters meet international waters?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:54pm

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:43pm:
Honesty is saying they will stop the boats and doing it.

Dishonesty is saying "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

It would do you good to learn the difference for your own sake.



Seems you're determined to ignore the rest of the quote.

Well, here it is again, just for you...

" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..."

Not a lie on her part at all, nor on the part of The Wise One.

More a lack of comprehension skills on your part.

Or is it merely blind partisan bigotry and ignorance?


If you weren't so lacking in brain cells you would have realised by now that the "rest of the quote" is the lie. She never said it.

I don't know how many times you have to be told. Even with an old calculator, you only have to punch the information into once to get a correct answer. How many times do you need it punched into you?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:57pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:51pm:
Honestly, this is yet another bogus topic started bt Leftard Progressives in denial trying vainly to score points.

It is sad and not just a tad pathetic.

Obviously it is pointless trying to argue sense with them..


Quote:
“There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon”. Julia Gillard

Prime example a statement she made several time not every time with a caveat.
Face it even if you include it she still lied.
Her Government did bring in a carbon tax... ::) ::) ::)
It isn't worth the effort going over the list and pointing out the lies and errors which a sane person would recognise.

It is a complete lie. There is nowhere she ever uttered that line. Some call it leftwing mythology, others call it for exactly what it is. Complete bull dust.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:59pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:39pm:
Creative policy that works. Amazing after 6 years of policy failure by the ALP.


25 Lies from a dishonest incompetent government

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:59pm

Quote:
Honestly, this is yet another bogus topic started bt Leftard Progressives in denial trying vainly to score points.


Wow, I have to say Grendel, that if you had not commenced that sentence with 'Honestly,'  no-one would have bothered, but seeing as how you went out of your way to start that sentence with 'Honestly,' it behoves me to ask you to explain why and how those 25 (or any one of them) allegations of a lie by Abbott is untrue.

Take all the time you need.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:02pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:59pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:39pm:
Creative policy that works. Amazing after 6 years of policy failure by the ALP.


25 Lies from a dishonest incompetent government

When the OP starts out with a complete lie, nothing else in the post can be believed. Not to mention it comes from "IA" who are a know bunch of liars. So we have a lying OP posting a bunch of lies for a lying website calling everyone else a liar.

Nope. Doesn't wash.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:03pm

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:43pm:
Honesty is saying they will stop the boats and doing it.

Dishonesty is saying "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

It would do you good to learn the difference for your own sake.



Seems you're determined to ignore the rest of the quote.

Well, here it is again, just for you...

" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..."

Not a lie on her part at all, nor on the part of The Wise One.

More a lack of comprehension skills on your part.

Or is it merely blind partisan bigotry and ignorance?


Gillard could have been as determined as she liked at the time about pricing carbon, she stated quite clearly there would be no carbon tax introduced under a government she led.
That's pretty straight forward.
She then introduced a carbon tax soon after the election.
The harpy lied, and more so the Australian people believed she lied.
Which is one of the many reasons why Ms thirty percenter was soundly booted out of her office before she led the Labor party to electoral oblivion.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by John Smith on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:07pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 7:59pm:

Quote:
Now before all you libturds come on here and say that Julia



Gillard lied before the 2010 election, here is the FULL QUOTE not half the quote like you libturds keep posting and saying she lied.


“There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon”. Julia Gillard


When the OP clearly lies in the first post, then nothing else can really be believed. Just because Juila lied doesn't mean its ok for you to lie about her lie.

You should try a bit harder to not lie. It's not a good look to be a liar. No one likes a liar.


how you can make that comment whilst cheering for Abbott is beyond me  :D :D :D obviously you like a liar

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:07pm
I can't post links so perhaps someone would be kind enough to do it for me

The YouTube video under EyW7oFk6n8 and time 2.20 will give you the exact quote and nowhere is the statement
" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..." said at any point.

The left and facts reside in different universes.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Grendel on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:08pm
See what I lean...  ::)

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:09pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:59pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:39pm:
Creative policy that works. Amazing after 6 years of policy failure by the ALP.


25 Lies from a dishonest incompetent government


Dream on.
Labor has already cornered the market on incompetence and dishonesty long ago.
Even criminal Indonesian people smugglers agree that Abbotts put them out of a very lucrative business that the Labor/Greens alliance gave back to them six years ago via their policy incompetence in the removal of a successful policy only to install a failed one.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:10pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:03pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:43pm:
Honesty is saying they will stop the boats and doing it.

Dishonesty is saying "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

It would do you good to learn the difference for your own sake.



Seems you're determined to ignore the rest of the quote.

Well, here it is again, just for you...

" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..."

Not a lie on her part at all, nor on the part of The Wise One.

More a lack of comprehension skills on your part.

Or is it merely blind partisan bigotry and ignorance?


Gillard could have been as determined as she liked at the time about pricing carbon, she stated quite clearly there would be no carbon tax introduced under a government she led.
That's pretty straight forward.
She then introduced a carbon tax soon after the election.
The harpy lied, and more so the Australian people believed she lied.
Which is one of the many reasons why Ms thirty percenter was soundly booted out of her office before she led the Labor party to electoral oblivion.



“We will restore accountability and improve transparency measures to be more accountable to you.”

Hiding boats with no accountability and less transparency when their election commitment was to do the opposite ???

Abbott’s insistence at a press conference in Jakarta in October:

“Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.”

The commitment from Abbott is no tow backs the fact is they are towing boats back. That's a direct lie.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:16pm
They are more accountable to Australians. Just because you want them to more accountable to illegal immigrants and people smugglers doesn't mean they should.

Your lot stuffed it up, now you get to sit down, shut your hole and do what your told while the adults clean up your mess.

There's a good boy.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:18pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:03pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:43pm:
Honesty is saying they will stop the boats and doing it.

Dishonesty is saying "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

It would do you good to learn the difference for your own sake.



Seems you're determined to ignore the rest of the quote.

Well, here it is again, just for you...

" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..."

Not a lie on her part at all, nor on the part of The Wise One.

More a lack of comprehension skills on your part.

Or is it merely blind partisan bigotry and ignorance?


Gillard could have been as determined as she liked at the time about pricing carbon, she stated quite clearly there would be no carbon tax introduced under a government she led.
That's pretty straight forward.
She then introduced a carbon tax soon after the election.
The harpy lied, and more so the Australian people believed she lied.
Which is one of the many reasons why Ms thirty percenter was soundly booted out of her office before she led the Labor party to electoral oblivion.



No. She didn't.

Shame I'm not a global mod, I'd happily ban you for continually posting blatant falsehoods
the way you persist in doing.

You are either a shill, a troll, or an abject idiot. Or possibly all three.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:20pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:54pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:43pm:
Honesty is saying they will stop the boats and doing it.

Dishonesty is saying "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

It would do you good to learn the difference for your own sake.



Seems you're determined to ignore the rest of the quote.

Well, here it is again, just for you...

" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..."

Not a lie on her part at all, nor on the part of The Wise One.

More a lack of comprehension skills on your part.

Or is it merely blind partisan bigotry and ignorance?


If you weren't so lacking in brain cells you would have realised by now that the "rest of the quote" is the lie. She never said it.

I don't know how many times you have to be told. Even with an old calculator, you only have to punch the information into once to get a correct answer. How many times do you need it punched into you?



It's not.

She did.

Now, get back in your carton, and stop threatening to assault people.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:21pm
The OP is clearly the liar here. The quote he gave does not exist. If I were global mod, he would be banned for posting a lie.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:22pm
Why do you insist on perpetuating lies?

It must be a leftwing thing.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:31pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:21pm:
The OP is clearly the liar here. The quote he gave does not exist. If I were global mod, he would be banned for posting a lie.


This is the copy of the press conference from Tony's web site ????

http://www.pm.gov.au/media/2013-10-01/joint-press-conference-minister-julie-bishop-jakarta


Quote:
Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia. There is just a world of difference and if I may say so, there has been a tendency of people to put to other people what is not the Coalition’s policy in an attempt to, I think, generate a headline rather than constructively address this issue


Do you think that you should get the same treatment from a global mod that you recommend for others???

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by GeorgeH on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:32pm
Go for a drive next Sunday, look in at Catholic & CofE Mass, look in on Lutheran, Methodist or whatever other denomination. Churches won’t be full, hardly anyone in there so the Census figures are meaningless.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:33pm
We are talking about the OPs lie about what Gillard said. Are you also claiming that his quote is correct?

Yes or no will suffice.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Kat on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:34pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:21pm:
The OP is clearly the liar here. The quote he gave does not exist. If I were global mod, he would be banned for posting a lie.


And if I were one, you'd be gone for trolling and personal attacks, and
for being a sock-puppet/trying to circumvent a ban.

Now, pull your head in.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:38pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:33pm:
We are talking about the OPs lie about what Gillard said. Are you also claiming that his quote is correct?

Yes or no will suffice.


"We" are not.  Gillard and what she said is done and dusted.  History. 

(PS...I'm not too happy that I need to consider I may be communicating with someone using a new nick, because they have been banned recently.  Am I?) 

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:41pm
The OP contains a lie. You need to deal with that before accusing anyone else of lying.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:43pm

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:34pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:21pm:
The OP is clearly the liar here. The quote he gave does not exist. If I were global mod, he would be banned for posting a lie.


And if I were one, you'd be gone for trolling and personal attacks, and
for being a sock-puppet/trying to circumvent a ban.

Now, pull your head in.

I didn't realise that pointing out a fallacy in the original post was 'trolling' and a 'personal attack' as well as pointing out that you are perpetuating a lie.

Why do you perpetuate lies?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Stratos on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:43pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:41pm:
The OP contains a lie


Actually contains a link to 25.  Look a bit closer next time.  Try too keep up

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:45pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:43pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:34pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:21pm:
The OP is clearly the liar here. The quote he gave does not exist. If I were global mod, he would be banned for posting a lie.


And if I were one, you'd be gone for trolling and personal attacks, and
for being a sock-puppet/trying to circumvent a ban.

Now, pull your head in.

I didn't realise that pointing out a fallacy in the original post was 'trolling' and a 'personal attack' as well as pointing out that you are perpetuating a lie.

Why do you perpetuate lies?


Taking a wild guess.  You 'sound like' Innocent Bystander, who is noticeable by their absence.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:46pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:43pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:41pm:
The OP contains a lie


Actually contains a link to 25.  Look a bit closer next time.  Try too keep up

I see you must already recognise that the OP was lying because you choose to ignore it and try to distract.

So do you too, agree with the OPs Gillard quote?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Stratos on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:47pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:46pm:
you choose to ignore it and try to distract.


The irony is strong with this one...

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:47pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:45pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:43pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:34pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:21pm:
The OP is clearly the liar here. The quote he gave does not exist. If I were global mod, he would be banned for posting a lie.


And if I were one, you'd be gone for trolling and personal attacks, and
for being a sock-puppet/trying to circumvent a ban.

Now, pull your head in.

I didn't realise that pointing out a fallacy in the original post was 'trolling' and a 'personal attack' as well as pointing out that you are perpetuating a lie.

Why do you perpetuate lies?


Taking a wild guess.  You 'sound like' Innocent Bystander, who is noticeable by their absence.

You sound like you aren't right about much of anything.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by GeorgeH on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:59pm
IB? Hmmm the twerp does seem to be absent.

Take your banning and don’t try to circumvent it, dweeb.

Hope the Mods increase your period of suspension.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:04pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:59pm:
IB? Hmmm the twerp does seem to be absent.

Take your banning and don’t try to circumvent it, dweeb.

Hope the Mods increase your period of suspension.

You are as wrong as your little mate. It must be a familiar position for both of you.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:13pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:33pm:
We are talking about the OPs lie about what Gillard said. Are you also claiming that his quote is correct?

Yes or no will suffice.


Gillard had clearly indicated prior to the election that a price on carbon in the term was a possibility. A lot of people believe that the given quote is correct, they could be wrong but more likely not. either way it isn't a lie.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983


Quote:
In an election-eve interview with The Australian, the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a mandate for a carbon price, provided the community was ready for this step.

"I don't rule out the possibility of legislating a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, a market-based mechanism," she said of the next parliament. "I rule out a carbon tax."


Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:16pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:43pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:41pm:
The OP contains a lie


Actually contains a link to 25.  Look a bit closer next time.  Try too keep up

I see you must already recognise that the OP was lying because you choose to ignore it and try to distract.

So do you too, agree with the OPs Gillard quote?


Got nothing on the topic to attempt to defend the plethora of blatant Abbott lies?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:17pm
So you admit that the quote is a lie.

We are making progress.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:21pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:03pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:43pm:
Honesty is saying they will stop the boats and doing it.

Dishonesty is saying "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

It would do you good to learn the difference for your own sake.



Seems you're determined to ignore the rest of the quote.

Well, here it is again, just for you...

" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..."

Not a lie on her part at all, nor on the part of The Wise One.

More a lack of comprehension skills on your part.

Or is it merely blind partisan bigotry and ignorance?


Gillard could have been as determined as she liked at the time about pricing carbon, she stated quite clearly there would be no carbon tax introduced under a government she led.
That's pretty straight forward.
She then introduced a carbon tax soon after the election.
The harpy lied, and more so the Australian people believed she lied.
Which is one of the many reasons why Ms thirty percenter was soundly booted out of her office before she led the Labor party to electoral oblivion.



“We will restore accountability and improve transparency measures to be more accountable to you.”

Hiding boats with no accountability and less transparency when their election commitment was to do the opposite ???

Abbott’s insistence at a press conference in Jakarta in October:

“Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.”

The commitment from Abbott is no tow backs the fact is they are towing boats back. That's a direct lie.


He was talking about no tow backs to Indonesia you mean.
Why are you complaining about a working policy?


Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:25pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:17pm:
So you admit that the quote is a lie.

We are making progress.



I admit that Gillard is on record prior to the election saying that she would put a price on carbon.

You made no progress in coming to terms with Abbotts obvious dishonesty in any way.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:27pm

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:18pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:03pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:43pm:
Honesty is saying they will stop the boats and doing it.

Dishonesty is saying "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

It would do you good to learn the difference for your own sake.



Seems you're determined to ignore the rest of the quote.

Well, here it is again, just for you...

" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..."

Not a lie on her part at all, nor on the part of The Wise One.

More a lack of comprehension skills on your part.

Or is it merely blind partisan bigotry and ignorance?


Gillard could have been as determined as she liked at the time about pricing carbon, she stated quite clearly there would be no carbon tax introduced under a government she led.
That's pretty straight forward.
She then introduced a carbon tax soon after the election.
The harpy lied, and more so the Australian people believed she lied.
Which is one of the many reasons why Ms thirty percenter was soundly booted out of her office before she led the Labor party to electoral oblivion.



No. She didn't.

Shame I'm not a global mod, I'd happily ban you for continually posting blatant falsehoods
the way you persist in doing.

You are either a shill, a troll, or an abject idiot. Or possibly all three.


What falsehood is that?
The harpy has her statement clearly on video for all to see.
And she did exactly what she stated she wouldn't.
And Ms Thirty percenter was thrown out of office by her own party.
Considering that once again you resort to insults when you run out of puff, ban yourself instead.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:30pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:21pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:03pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:43pm:
Honesty is saying they will stop the boats and doing it.

Dishonesty is saying "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

It would do you good to learn the difference for your own sake.



Seems you're determined to ignore the rest of the quote.

Well, here it is again, just for you...

" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..."

Not a lie on her part at all, nor on the part of The Wise One.

More a lack of comprehension skills on your part.

Or is it merely blind partisan bigotry and ignorance?


Gillard could have been as determined as she liked at the time about pricing carbon, she stated quite clearly there would be no carbon tax introduced under a government she led.
That's pretty straight forward.
She then introduced a carbon tax soon after the election.
The harpy lied, and more so the Australian people believed she lied.
Which is one of the many reasons why Ms thirty percenter was soundly booted out of her office before she led the Labor party to electoral oblivion.



“We will restore accountability and improve transparency measures to be more accountable to you.”

Hiding boats with no accountability and less transparency when their election commitment was to do the opposite ???

Abbott’s insistence at a press conference in Jakarta in October:

“Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.”

The commitment from Abbott is no tow backs the fact is they are towing boats back. That's a direct lie.


He was talking about no tow backs to Indonesia you mean.
Why are you complaining about a working policy?


You support Abbott doing exactly what he categorically denied he would do about 6 or 8 weeks ago.


He was talking about no tow backs to Indonesia you mean.

He isn't towing them to France.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:33pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:25pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:17pm:
So you admit that the quote is a lie.

We are making progress.



I admit that Gillard is on record prior to the election saying that she would put a price on carbon.

You made no progress in coming to terms with Abbotts obvious dishonesty in any way.

That's ok. We all know what you admitted to. The quote in the OP was a lie and you know it, hence your little dance. When you can finally admit it, we can move on to the other lies.

If you can't admit to one of the biggest lies, you can't rationally discuss the veracity of the other allegations. Let me know when you are ready to do that and we can start going through the IA bull dust point by point.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:51pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:21pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:03pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:43pm:
Honesty is saying they will stop the boats and doing it.

Dishonesty is saying "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

It would do you good to learn the difference for your own sake.



Seems you're determined to ignore the rest of the quote.

Well, here it is again, just for you...

" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..."

Not a lie on her part at all, nor on the part of The Wise One.

More a lack of comprehension skills on your part.

Or is it merely blind partisan bigotry and ignorance?


Gillard could have been as determined as she liked at the time about pricing carbon, she stated quite clearly there would be no carbon tax introduced under a government she led.
That's pretty straight forward.
She then introduced a carbon tax soon after the election.
The harpy lied, and more so the Australian people believed she lied.
Which is one of the many reasons why Ms thirty percenter was soundly booted out of her office before she led the Labor party to electoral oblivion.



“We will restore accountability and improve transparency measures to be more accountable to you.”

Hiding boats with no accountability and less transparency when their election commitment was to do the opposite ???

Abbott’s insistence at a press conference in Jakarta in October:

“Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.”

The commitment from Abbott is no tow backs the fact is they are towing boats back. That's a direct lie.


He was talking about no tow backs to Indonesia you mean.
Why are you complaining about a working policy?


You support Abbott doing exactly what he categorically denied he would do about 6 or 8 weeks ago.


He was talking about no tow backs to Indonesia you mean.

He isn't towing them to France.


And he isn't towing them back into Indonesian ports either, just to the boundary where Indonesian water meets international water.
The policy remains consistent and has not changed since it was introduced months before the election, and that's what's important.
The policy works and that's what's really important.
No boats have been 'hidden' as you stated.
All boats have been accounted for and reported about in a timely fashion.
The world did not end because the government conducted a weekly media meeting.
It wasn't all that long ago anyway under Labor that the majority of the media stopped reporting the arrival of smugglers boats with the obvious exception of radio station 2GB which still reported daily arrivals, and the silence was deafening at the time.
Even the Labor governments published statistics of boat arrivals on the internet was six months behind until last September, and the silence was deafening.
Don't fret, the filthy smugglers boats are exactly where they should be.
Either back in Indonesia, or lying on the bottom.
If all you have left is to argue semantics, or try to misrepresent the PM's words to attempt to score a scabby cheap point instead of making a real point about the policy then I know Abbott is on the right track.
Suck it up princess.
His policy works.
And that's what really matters.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 10th, 2014 at 4:34am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:59pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:39pm:
Creative policy that works. Amazing after 6 years of policy failure by the ALP.


25 Lies from a dishonest incompetent government


Here's plenty of irrefutable lies from the most incompetent government in our history. Six years of Labor incompetence, waste, backstabbing and corruption was 5 years too many! https://lpaweb-static.s3.amazonaws.com/Labor_tells_lies_Sept%2012.pdf

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 10th, 2014 at 4:41am

Stratos wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:43pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:41pm:
The OP contains a lie


Actually contains a link to 25.  Look a bit closer next time.  Try too keep up


Of which three I have already proven in short order to not be lies at all.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by the wise one on Feb 10th, 2014 at 5:09am

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:57pm:

Quote:
“There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon”. Julia Gillard



Prime example a statement she made several time not every time with a caveat.
Face it even if you include it she still lied.
Her Government did bring in a carbon tax... ::) ::) ::)
It isn't worth the effort going over the list and pointing out the lies and errors which a sane person would recognise.

It is a complete lie. There is nowhere she ever uttered that line. Some call it leftwing mythology, others call it for exactly what it is. Complete bull dust.



DICKHEAD

I type this slowly so you can understand it

The Gillard brought in a fixed price on carbon for 3 years then it is going to a ETS


Quote:
Did Julia Gillard promise no carbon tax?
Just before the 2010 Federal election, Julia Gillard said “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”, and critics have been calling her a liar ever since the multi-party committee on climate change released their statement on the plan to price carbon. The issue here is that what has been announced is not really a carbon tax.
It is an emissions trading scheme with a fixed price on permits for the first three years. Permits are still able to be bought and sold, but at a fixed price. A carbon tax implies that the government would simply tax companies for their carbon emissions, and is not the same as a system where permits are tradable, and in some cases provided for free.
http://www.carbontax.net.au/julia-gillard-no-carbon-tax/


If you want to believe a video that has been doctored it just show how much of a idiot you are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EyW7oFk6n8

This is the full interview not something that has be doctored by the libturd party.

Now do a bit of research and you will find the full quote

Here are a couple of sites

http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/09/gillards-carbon-tax-promise/

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983

http://fairmediaalliance.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/there-will-be-no-carbon-tax-under-a-government-i-lead-but-lets-be-absolutely-clear-i-am-determined-to-price-carbon/

What about this video I notice none of you libturds ever put this up

http://youtu.be/ckcH0Wrmy74


Now before you come on here and call people liars do a bit of research first and know what you are talking about.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Kat on Feb 10th, 2014 at 6:32am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 4:41am:

Stratos wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:43pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 9:41pm:
The OP contains a lie


Actually contains a link to 25.  Look a bit closer next time.  Try too keep up


Of which three I have already proven in short order to not be lies at all.



I sincerely doubt that, you don't have the ability to tell the difference between lies and fact.

As you constantly strive to prove.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 10th, 2014 at 6:46am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:30pm:
[quote author=chicken_lipsforme link=1391836204/123#123 date=1391948472]



You support Abbott doing exactly what he categorically denied he would do about 6 or 8 weeks ago.


He was talking about no tow backs to Indonesia you mean.

He isn't towing them to France.


And he isn't towing them back into Indonesian ports either, just to the boundary where Indonesian water meets international water.
The policy remains consistent and has not changed since it was introduced months before the election, and that's what's important.
The policy works and that's what's really important.
No boats have been 'hidden' as you stated.
All boats have been accounted for and reported about in a timely fashion.
The world did not end because the government conducted a weekly media meeting.
It wasn't all that long ago anyway under Labor that the majority of the media stopped reporting the arrival of smugglers boats with the obvious exception of radio station 2GB which still reported daily arrivals, and the silence was deafening at the time.
Even the Labor governments published statistics of boat arrivals on the internet was six months behind until last September, and the silence was deafening.
Don't fret, the filthy smugglers boats are exactly where they should be.
Either back in Indonesia, or lying on the bottom.
If all you have left is to argue semantics, or try to misrepresent the PM's words to attempt to score a scabby cheap point instead of making a real point about the policy then I know Abbott is on the right track.
Suck it up princess.
His policy works.
And that's what really matters.



And he isn't towing them back into Indonesian ports either

Clearly not what he meant or in fact said, he obviously meant towing them back to Indonesian waters.

He said that turning them around from Australian waters was what they would do.

This means that the intention was to tow them nowhere.

With the incursions into Indonesian waters that we can only assume has been part of the tow back process they obviously have taken them back into Indonesian territory a clear serious, deliberate and malicious breach of Indonesia's sovereignty. They not only accidentally entered Indonesian waters they had a purpose in doing it which was clearly opposed by Indonesia.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 10th, 2014 at 6:58am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 4:34am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:59pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:39pm:
Creative policy that works. Amazing after 6 years of policy failure by the ALP.


25 Lies from a dishonest incompetent government


Here's plenty of irrefutable lies from the most incompetent government in our history. Six years of Labor incompetence, waste, backstabbing and corruption was 5 years too many! https://lpaweb-static.s3.amazonaws.com/Labor_tells_lies_Sept%2012.pdf


Here's plenty of irrefutable lies

Most are far from irrefutable - in fact most are rubbish the facts would show that Labor were right.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by GeorgeH on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:01am
Could those incursions by our ships into Indonesian waters have been captains disgusted with the orders they got from Morriscum’s toy soldier towing or accompanying the lifeboats closer to Indo shore?

The incursion were not due to accident or “wind and tides” as the simian gibbered.

Indo has been remarkably tolerant of these incursions and the tow backs contrary to promises made by the simian. I doubt many nations now trust us to honour obligations.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Soren on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:12am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:51pm:
It wasn't all that long ago anyway under Labor that the majority of the media stopped reporting the arrival of smugglers boats with the obvious exception of radio station 2GB which still reported daily arrivals, and the silence was deafening at the time.
Even the Labor governments published statistics of boat arrivals on the internet was six months behind until last September, and the silence was deafening.



Indeed.
When they were coming two-a-day the wallahs didn't want to report them.
Now that they are not coming, they are miffed that there is nothing to report.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Kat on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:14am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 6:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 4:34am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:59pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:39pm:
Creative policy that works. Amazing after 6 years of policy failure by the ALP.


25 Lies from a dishonest incompetent government


Here's plenty of irrefutable lies from the most incompetent government in our history. Six years of Labor incompetence, waste, backstabbing and corruption was 5 years too many! https://lpaweb-static.s3.amazonaws.com/Labor_tells_lies_Sept%2012.pdf


Here's plenty of irrefutable lies

Most are far from irrefutable - in fact most are rubbish the facts would show that Labor were right.


Pointless telling him that.

He's incapable of forming an independent thought, runs on partisan spin & BS only.

And is notorious for posting partisan rhetoric and outright lies as irrefutable fact (his
constant carping on Swan's supposed incompetence despite all of the experts saying
otherwise, for example).

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Soren on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:14am

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:01am:
Could those incursions by our ships into Indonesian waters have been captains disgusted with the orders they got from Morriscum’s toy soldier towing or accompanying the lifeboats closer to Indo shore?

The incursion were not due to accident or “wind and tides” as the simian gibbered.

Indo has been remarkably tolerant of these incursions and the tow backs contrary to promises made by the simian. I doubt many nations now trust us to honour obligations.

We have an agreement to enter their waters for rescue purposes, you know,  because they can't patrol their own waters (that's how mighty Indonesia really is).

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by GeorgeH on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:24am
Not with armed warships and only to affect rescues.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:28am

Soren wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:14am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:01am:
Could those incursions by our ships into Indonesian waters have been captains disgusted with the orders they got from Morriscum’s toy soldier towing or accompanying the lifeboats closer to Indo shore?

The incursion were not due to accident or “wind and tides” as the simian gibbered.

Indo has been remarkably tolerant of these incursions and the tow backs contrary to promises made by the simian. I doubt many nations now trust us to honour obligations.

We have an agreement to enter their waters for rescue purposes, you know,  because they can't patrol their own waters (that's how mighty Indonesia really is).



That is to rescue people in trouble in Indonesian waters - it does not extend to taking people in trouble into Indonesian waters.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by GeorgeH on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:32am
I am sure it is the commanders on the spot who are disgusted with the orders they get, the stupid secrecy to hide failures etc.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 10th, 2014 at 8:00am

Quote:
Now before you come on here and call people liars do a bit of research first and know what you are talking about.


You see, I did do my research which is why you are a liar and why you are unable to find anything about your purported quotation because it doesn't exist. It's a big fat lie.


My question is, why do you feel the need to lie? Is it because you argument is so weak? Is it because you are so weak minded you actually just want to believe its true?

I already posted how you can find the full video. Considering I cannot post links yet, lets see if you are brave enough to do so so we can all see that your "quote"  ;D exists.

I'm betting that seeing as you lied so brazenly in the OP and here you are now still in denial, you will try desperately to ignore the real facts.


Quote:
I can't post links so perhaps someone would be kind enough to do it for me

The YouTube video under EyW7oFk6n8 and time 2.20 will give you the exact quote and nowhere is the statement
" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..." said at any point.

The left and facts reside in different universes.


Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by the wise one on Feb 10th, 2014 at 9:39am

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 8:00am:

Quote:
Now before you come on here and call people liars do a bit of research first and know what you are talking about.


You see, I did do my research which is why you are a liar and why you are unable to find anything about your purported quotation because it doesn't exist. It's a big fat lie.


My question is, why do you feel the need to lie? Is it because you argument is so weak? Is it because you are so weak minded you actually just want to believe its true?

I already posted how you can find the full video. Considering I cannot post links yet, lets see if you are brave enough to do so so we can all see that your "quote"  ;D exists.

I'm betting that seeing as you lied so brazenly in the OP and here you are now still in denial, you will try desperately to ignore the real facts.

[quote]I can't post links so perhaps someone would be kind enough to do it for me

The YouTube video under EyW7oFk6n8 and time 2.20 will give you the exact quote and nowhere is the statement
" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..." said at any point.

The left and facts reside in different universes.

[/quote]



Quote:
The Gillard brought in a fixed price on carbon for 3 years then it is going to a ETS

[quote]
Did Julia Gillard promise no carbon tax?
Just before the 2010 Federal election, Julia Gillard said “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”, and critics have been calling her a liar ever since the multi-party committee on climate change released their statement on the plan to price carbon. The issue here is that what has been announced is not really a carbon tax.
It is an emissions trading scheme with a fixed price on permits for the first three years. Permits are still able to be bought and sold, but at a fixed price. A carbon tax implies that the government would simply tax companies for their carbon emissions, and is not the same as a system where permits are tradable, and in some cases provided for free.
http://www.carbontax.net.au/julia-gillard-no-carbon-tax/


If you want to believe a video that has been doctored it just show how much of a idiot you are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EyW7oFk6n8

This is the full interview not something that has be doctored by the libturd party.

Now do a bit of research and you will find the full quote

Here are a couple of sites

http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/09/gillards-carbon-tax-promise/

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983

http://fairmediaalliance.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/there-will-be-no-carbon-tax-under-a-government-i-lead-but-lets-be-absolutely-clear-i-am-determined-to-price-carbon/

What about this video I notice none of you libturds ever put this up

http://youtu.be/ckcH0Wrmy74


Now before you come on here and call people liars do a bit of research first and know what you are talking about.
[/quote]


I notice you didn't answer any of the links I put up and there is quotes on there where Gillard said

"There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but let me be clear: I will be putting a price on carbon and I will move to an emissions trading scheme.”



So what part of the last bit of the quote don't you understand.


How about answering the bit in blue where it says it is a CARBON PRICE AND NOT A TAX


Here are some more links for you where Gillard says but let me be clear: I will be putting a price on carbon and I will move to an emissions trading scheme.”


http://thesnipertakesaim.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/lies-damned-lies-and-sour-grapes/


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/cutandpaste/there-will-be-no-carbon-tax-under-the-journalist-i-choose-to-talk-to-about-kevins-plot/story-fn72xczz-1226768184345#mm-premium


Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Grendel on Feb 10th, 2014 at 9:42am
Funny how Gillard's quote keeps changing.  :D :D :D

There will be NO Carbon tax under the government I lead.....


Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Soren on Feb 11th, 2014 at 1:33pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:28am:

Soren wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:14am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:01am:
Could those incursions by our ships into Indonesian waters have been captains disgusted with the orders they got from Morriscum’s toy soldier towing or accompanying the lifeboats closer to Indo shore?

The incursion were not due to accident or “wind and tides” as the simian gibbered.

Indo has been remarkably tolerant of these incursions and the tow backs contrary to promises made by the simian. I doubt many nations now trust us to honour obligations.

We have an agreement to enter their waters for rescue purposes, you know,  because they can't patrol their own waters (that's how mighty Indonesia really is).



That is to rescue people in trouble in Indonesian waters - it does not extend to taking people in trouble into Indonesian waters.



Exactly. We put them into very safe boats, we give them food and water, fuel, we hug them, kiss them and wish them bon voyage, knowing that they are safer, much safer than they were when we found them.




Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:00pm

Soren wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:28am:

Soren wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:14am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 7:01am:
Could those incursions by our ships into Indonesian waters have been captains disgusted with the orders they got from Morriscum’s toy soldier towing or accompanying the lifeboats closer to Indo shore?

The incursion were not due to accident or “wind and tides” as the simian gibbered.

Indo has been remarkably tolerant of these incursions and the tow backs contrary to promises made by the simian. I doubt many nations now trust us to honour obligations.

We have an agreement to enter their waters for rescue purposes, you know,  because they can't patrol their own waters (that's how mighty Indonesia really is).



That is to rescue people in trouble in Indonesian waters - it does not extend to taking people in trouble into Indonesian waters.



Exactly. We put them into very safe boats, we give them food and water, fuel, we hug them, kiss them and wish them bon voyage, knowing that they are safer, much safer than they were when we found them.


It is far more likely that we had been intercepting the boats in international waters (piracy).  It seems we now are waiting until they reach our territory and then, even though it would be obvious the people on board would claim asylum, instead of then honouring our UNHCR obligations, we are putting them onto orange boats and we are towing them through international waters and setting them adrift just outside Indonesian territorial waters.......sometimes actually entering Indonesia and then letting them loose.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by GeorgeH on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:11pm
Errrrr they have been found just off Christmass Isl, Soren. And what Aussie said ^^^^

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Bam on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:21pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:01am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:50am:

Bam wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 6:45am:
[quote author=ArmchairPolitician link=1391836204/39#39 date=1391890450]Promise #25 - Boat tow backs

What the nuts at IA say he said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia."


What he actually said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia. There is just a world of difference and if I may say so, there has been a tendency of people to put to other people what is not the Coalition’s policy in an attempt to, I think, generate a headline rather than constructively address this issue."


The highlighted bit was missing from IA's selective editing of "broken promise" number 25. He hasn't broken a promise at all. He is turning boats around, as he promised to do before the election and for the entire time he was Opposition Leader. IA's bull$hit meter: extreme!

You're splitting hairs.

Abbott the Mendacious clearly denied tow-backs. Yet we have footage of Navy ships using ropes to tow asylum seekers in boats back to Indonesia. That rope between the ships is not there for decoration.

You are also being hypocritical, getting all hot and bothered about context after you did the same to Gillard over one quotation, over and over, for nearly three years. If you think you have the right to beat up "carbon tax" out of context, you have no right, no right whatsoever to complain if others point out that Abbott repudiated tow backs.

"Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs." He said it. He said it very clearly. He lied.

Are we towing them back to Indonesia? No. Are we towing them out of our waters, yes, if they don't go willingly. No broken promises here!

You are moving the goal posts.

Did Abbott deny that boats would be towed? Yes. "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs."
Are we towing them? Yes. See video footage for details.

He denied tow backs would occur. He lied.



Tow backs have been an integral part of Operation Sovereign Borders in which this policy was released to the public months before the election on the Liberal party website.
The public were well aware of this, and Abbott went to the election with it and won the election.
Your selective memory does you no credit whatsoever.
And tow backs will continue to be an integral part of a policy which has been very successful in the few months it has been active which is why it will remain despite the bleatings of the left side of politics or the Indonesians.
Smugglers boats will never be welcome in this country.

You are lying.

Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs.

And again, a few sentences later:

There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.

That looks like Abbott denying the policy of tow backs to me.

Now you're claiming he didn't say this?

Either Abbott is lying or you are wrong. Which is it?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Grendel on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:24pm
The official policy never was tow back...  that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

I'd have no problem with them doing just that, but the Indonesians might be a bit miffed.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:27pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
The official policy never was tow back...  that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.


Okay.....we are all speculating...I acknowledge that.  But....how do you explain the existence and use of the orange boats.  How do they fit in?

(Would you like that photo again....the one where there is an obvious tow line between a warship and an orange boat.)

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:28pm
*

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Grendel on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:31pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
The official policy never was tow back...  that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.


Okay.....we are all speculating...I acknowledge that.  But....how do you explain the existence and use of the orange boats.  How do they fit in?

(Would you like that photo again....the one where there is an obvious tow line between a warship and an orange boat.)

Would you like to be less vague and pose an actual question that makes sense?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Bam on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:33pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:16pm:
Tow backs have been an integral part of Operation Sovereign Borders in which this policy was released to the public months before the election on the Liberal party website.
The public were well aware of this, and Abbott went to the election with it and won the election.
Your selective memory does you no credit whatsoever.
And tow backs will continue to be an integral part of a policy which has been very successful in the few months it has been active which is why it will remain despite the bleatings of the left side of politics or the Indonesians.
Smugglers boats will never be welcome in this country.


Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
The official policy never was tow back...  that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

I'd have no problem with them doing just that, but the Indonesians might be a bit miffed.

You have contradicted each other.

One of you is wrong.

Please work out amongst yourselves which one of you is wrong.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Grendel on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:37pm
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/02/01/unsinkable-asylum-lifeboat-found-java

Why would they need navigation aid if they weren't powered?  :D

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Grendel on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:38pm

Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:16pm:
Tow backs have been an integral part of Operation Sovereign Borders in which this policy was released to the public months before the election on the Liberal party website.
The public were well aware of this, and Abbott went to the election with it and won the election.
Your selective memory does you no credit whatsoever.
And tow backs will continue to be an integral part of a policy which has been very successful in the few months it has been active which is why it will remain despite the bleatings of the left side of politics or the Indonesians.
Smugglers boats will never be welcome in this country.


Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
The official policy never was tow back...  that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

I'd have no problem with them doing just that, but the Indonesians might be a bit miffed.

You have contradicted each other.

One of you is wrong.

Please work out amongst yourselves which one of you is wrong.

Actually we could both be right in part.
But as for the policy I am 100% correct.
You can work out the rest yourself...  I used to think you were bright enough to do that.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:39pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
The official policy never was tow back...  that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.


Okay.....we are all speculating...I acknowledge that.  But....how do you explain the existence and use of the orange boats.  How do they fit in?

(Would you like that photo again....the one where there is an obvious tow line between a warship and an orange boat.)

Would you like to be less vague and pose an actual question that makes sense?


Okay. 

1.  Does the word 'multiple' mean 'two?'
2.  How do the boat people, leaving Indonesia in crappy fishing vesells manage to get into brand new hi-tech orange boats owned by Australian taxpayers?
3.  Would you like me to re-post that photo of an orange boat and a Warship attached by a tow line?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by FriYAY on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:45pm
Tow em back, turn em round, sink em, who cares.

As long as they stop coming.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Grendel on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:45pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
The official policy never was tow back...  that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.


Okay.....we are all speculating...I acknowledge that.  But....how do you explain the existence and use of the orange boats.  How do they fit in?

(Would you like that photo again....the one where there is an obvious tow line between a warship and an orange boat.)

Would you like to be less vague and pose an actual question that makes sense?


Okay. 

1.  Does the word 'multiple' mean 'two?'
2.  How do the boat people, leaving Indonesia in crappy fishing vesells manage to get into brand new hi-tech orange boats owned by Australian taxpayers?
3.  Would you like me to re-post that photo of an orange boat and a Warship attached by a tow line?

Care to try again?
What is your issue...  I posted the article I explained the need for nav equipment...  yet here we are still back at square one.
Once a boat is is in the water how do you propose to keep it in proximity with the other vessel?
How do people normally board a vessel?
Do please try to engage your brain before replying again.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:46pm
1.  Does the word 'multiple' mean 'two?'
Yes

2.  How do the boat people, leaving Indonesia in crappy fishing vesells manage to get into brand new hi-tech orange boats owned by Australian taxpayers?
By sinking the boats they traveled here with.

3.  Would you like me to re-post that photo of an orange boat and a Warship attached by a tow line?
Do as you please and continue posting useless questions.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Bam on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:50pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:16pm:
Tow backs have been an integral part of Operation Sovereign Borders in which this policy was released to the public months before the election on the Liberal party website.
The public were well aware of this, and Abbott went to the election with it and won the election.
Your selective memory does you no credit whatsoever.
And tow backs will continue to be an integral part of a policy which has been very successful in the few months it has been active which is why it will remain despite the bleatings of the left side of politics or the Indonesians.
Smugglers boats will never be welcome in this country.


Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
The official policy never was tow back...  that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

I'd have no problem with them doing just that, but the Indonesians might be a bit miffed.

You have contradicted each other.

One of you is wrong.

Please work out amongst yourselves which one of you is wrong.

Actually we could both be right in part.
But as for the policy I am 100% correct.
You can work out the rest yourself...  I used to think you were bright enough to do that.

That should be done by CL. He was the one that contradicted you, not me. I'll wait for the both of you to work out between yourselves what the policy actually is (or was), complete with links.


Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Grendel on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:52pm

Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:16pm:
Tow backs have been an integral part of Operation Sovereign Borders in which this policy was released to the public months before the election on the Liberal party website.
The public were well aware of this, and Abbott went to the election with it and won the election.
Your selective memory does you no credit whatsoever.
And tow backs will continue to be an integral part of a policy which has been very successful in the few months it has been active which is why it will remain despite the bleatings of the left side of politics or the Indonesians.
Smugglers boats will never be welcome in this country.


Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
The official policy never was tow back...  that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

I'd have no problem with them doing just that, but the Indonesians might be a bit miffed.

You have contradicted each other.

One of you is wrong.

Please work out amongst yourselves which one of you is wrong.

Actually we could both be right in part.
But as for the policy I am 100% correct.
You can work out the rest yourself...  I used to think you were bright enough to do that.

That should be done by CL. He was the one that contradicted you, not me. I'll wait for the both of you to work out between yourselves what the policy actually is (or was), complete with links.

Don't be stupid, we don't know each other and we don't share the same politics anymore than you and I do.
The policy was TURN Back The Boats not the labor lie.
What is your point?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:56pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
The official policy never was tow back...  that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.


Okay.....we are all speculating...I acknowledge that.  But....how do you explain the existence and use of the orange boats.  How do they fit in?

(Would you like that photo again....the one where there is an obvious tow line between a warship and an orange boat.)

Would you like to be less vague and pose an actual question that makes sense?


Okay. 

1.  Does the word 'multiple' mean 'two?'
2.  How do the boat people, leaving Indonesia in crappy fishing vesells manage to get into brand new hi-tech orange boats owned by Australian taxpayers?
3.  Would you like me to re-post that photo of an orange boat and a Warship attached by a tow line?

Care to try again?
What is your issue...  I posted the article I explained the need for nav equipment...  yet here we are still back at square one.
Once a boat is is in the water how do you propose to keep it in proximity with the other vessel?
How do people normally board a vessel?
Do please try to engage your brain before replying again.


I get it.  You wanted me to ask specific questions, and then, when I do, you ignore them.  That's okay, 'cause I know you are not very good at this stuff.

Cheers.

:)

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 11th, 2014 at 4:08pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:54pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 2:49pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.

Is any of it incorrect?

No no, but that’s not the point.

Actually, that IS the point. None of the rightards have been able to refute the argument in whole or in part.

I think you will find that they like that it is only 25 named lies - They know it is really a lot worse for them - this is a good result for the conservatives.

If we did a little digging, we might uncover a few more lies and broken promises from the Coalition.


And I doubt you'd need an excavator or a back-hoe either.

A child's beach-spade should suffice.


On the other hand, you'd need one of those colossal-sized scoops used in open-cut mines to clean up the $hit and lies and broken promises left behind by six years of Labor.


Glad to see you back AP.  Aren't you just a tad embarrassed about that 100% dishonest post you made when you claimed that the Australian Submarine Corporation was not Government owned and controlled? 


Hi AP..........care to explain?

:)

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Bam on Feb 11th, 2014 at 4:41pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:16pm:
Tow backs have been an integral part of Operation Sovereign Borders in which this policy was released to the public months before the election on the Liberal party website.
The public were well aware of this, and Abbott went to the election with it and won the election.
Your selective memory does you no credit whatsoever.
And tow backs will continue to be an integral part of a policy which has been very successful in the few months it has been active which is why it will remain despite the bleatings of the left side of politics or the Indonesians.
Smugglers boats will never be welcome in this country.


Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
The official policy never was tow back...  that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

I'd have no problem with them doing just that, but the Indonesians might be a bit miffed.

You have contradicted each other.

One of you is wrong.

Please work out amongst yourselves which one of you is wrong.

Actually we could both be right in part.
But as for the policy I am 100% correct.
You can work out the rest yourself...  I used to think you were bright enough to do that.

That should be done by CL. He was the one that contradicted you, not me. I'll wait for the both of you to work out between yourselves what the policy actually is (or was), complete with links.

Don't be stupid, we don't know each other and we don't share the same politics anymore than you and I do.
The policy was TURN Back The Boats not the labor lie.
What is your point?

At least one of you is posting rubbish without checking your facts. Surely you're smart enough to work this out. Read the highlighted bits again. Which one of you is correct? Were tow backs published Coalition policy or not? And if they were, why was Abbott denying this?

Now, are you going to provide evidence? Or are you going to keep dodging the question?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Karnal on Feb 11th, 2014 at 4:53pm

FriYAY wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:45pm:
Tow em back, turn em round, sink em, who cares.

As long as they stop coming.


Wank on them...

They're actually called "sea biscuits" in some places, FriYay.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 11th, 2014 at 5:08pm
Coalition policy was to turn back boats where it was safe to do so.

Abbott may have said other things, but, really.....everyone went to the last election understanding that.  But...............

How does that stand up against ~ holding back, allowing the boats to arrive in Australia......take the boat people off their vessell............(while ignoring their claim for asylum) transfer them to an orange life boat we own........put a line on it.........and tow it through international waters and into or near to Indonesian waters?

:-[

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 11th, 2014 at 5:08pm
*

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 11th, 2014 at 5:31pm

FriYAY wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:45pm:
Tow em back, turn em round, sink em, who cares.

As long as they stop coming.



Back to the Howard day attitudes / get out the machine guns - no more crying about them being sent to Malaysia.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Grendel on Feb 11th, 2014 at 6:23pm

Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:16pm:
Tow backs have been an integral part of Operation Sovereign Borders in which this policy was released to the public months before the election on the Liberal party website.
The public were well aware of this, and Abbott went to the election with it and won the election.
Your selective memory does you no credit whatsoever.
And tow backs will continue to be an integral part of a policy which has been very successful in the few months it has been active which is why it will remain despite the bleatings of the left side of politics or the Indonesians.
Smugglers boats will never be welcome in this country.


Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
The official policy never was tow back...  that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

I'd have no problem with them doing just that, but the Indonesians might be a bit miffed.

You have contradicted each other.

One of you is wrong.

Please work out amongst yourselves which one of you is wrong.

Actually we could both be right in part.
But as for the policy I am 100% correct.
You can work out the rest yourself...  I used to think you were bright enough to do that.

That should be done by CL. He was the one that contradicted you, not me. I'll wait for the both of you to work out between yourselves what the policy actually is (or was), complete with links.

Don't be stupid, we don't know each other and we don't share the same politics anymore than you and I do.
The policy was TURN Back The Boats not the labor lie.
What is your point?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Grendel on Feb 11th, 2014 at 6:27pm

Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 4:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:16pm:
Tow backs have been an integral part of Operation Sovereign Borders in which this policy was released to the public months before the election on the Liberal party website.
The public were well aware of this, and Abbott went to the election with it and won the election.
Your selective memory does you no credit whatsoever.
And tow backs will continue to be an integral part of a policy which has been very successful in the few months it has been active which is why it will remain despite the bleatings of the left side of politics or the Indonesians.
Smugglers boats will never be welcome in this country.


Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
The official policy never was tow back...  that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

I'd have no problem with them doing just that, but the Indonesians might be a bit miffed.

You have contradicted each other.

One of you is wrong.

Please work out amongst yourselves which one of you is wrong.

Actually we could both be right in part.
But as for the policy I am 100% correct.
You can work out the rest yourself...  I used to think you were bright enough to do that.

That should be done by CL. He was the one that contradicted you, not me. I'll wait for the both of you to work out between yourselves what the policy actually is (or was), complete with links.

Don't be stupid, we don't know each other and we don't share the same politics anymore than you and I do.
The policy was TURN Back The Boats not the labor lie.
What is your point?

At least one of you is posting rubbish without checking your facts. Surely you're smart enough to work this out. Read the highlighted bits again. Which one of you is correct? Were tow backs published Coalition policy or not? And if they were, why was Abbott denying this?

Now, are you going to provide evidence? Or are you going to keep dodging the question?

I don't care what anyone else writes he's not my brother and I'm not his keeper.
I answered your question.
Lots of people post crap and wrong things here, I try to be much more accurate and correct.
Are you denying what I said is correct?
If not fine, I have no idea why you think i'm responsible for the errors of others.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Grendel on Feb 11th, 2014 at 6:29pm
[quote author=Aussie link=1391836204/166#166 date=1392102487]Coalition policy was to turn back boats where it was safe to do so.

Abbott may have said other things, but, really.....everyone went to the last election understanding that.  But...............

How does that stand up against ~ holding back, allowing the boats to arrive in Australia......take the boat people off their vessell............(while ignoring their claim for asylum) transfer them to an orange life boat we own........put a line on it.........and tow it through international waters and into or near to Indonesian waters?

:-[/quote]
There you go bam even Aussie knows it...  now that is saying something.

Aussie why would you need to tow a motorised boat?
get that brain in gear.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 11th, 2014 at 9:41pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 6:29pm:
[quote author=Aussie link=1391836204/166#166 date=1392102487]Coalition policy was to turn back boats where it was safe to do so.

Abbott may have said other things, but, really.....everyone went to the last election understanding that.  But...............

How does that stand up against ~ holding back, allowing the boats to arrive in Australia......take the boat people off their vessell............(while ignoring their claim for asylum) transfer them to an orange life boat we own........put a line on it.........and tow it through international waters and into or near to Indonesian waters?

:-[/quote]
There you go bam even Aussie knows it...  now that is saying something.

Aussie why would you need to tow a motorised boat?
get that brain in gear.


What is this, Grendel....an orange boat saving a Warship?



Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Kat on Feb 11th, 2014 at 9:45pm
Happy to see the boats sent/towed back.

As long as they are loaded with 'Aussie' conservatives first.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 11th, 2014 at 9:47pm

Kat wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 9:45pm:
Happy to see the boats sent/towed back.

As long as they are loaded with Aussie conservatives first.

Too bad it's the opposite. They would all be future Labor voters on the dole like yourself. Maybe you should join them in solidarity comrade? Although you wouldn't have the guts.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Kat on Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:16pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 9:45pm:
Happy to see the boats sent/towed back.

As long as they are loaded with Aussie conservatives first.

Too bad it's the opposite. They would all be future Labor voters on the dole like yourself. Maybe you should join them in solidarity comrade? Although you wouldn't have the guts.


Just what is it with you smegheads, that you find it necessary to
accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being unemployed?

Make you somehow feel 'superior'?

Or are you jealous because YOU are, and I'm not?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by GeorgeH on Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:22pm
Stop feeding the troll, Kat.

You can’t win—they drag you down to their level of total idiocy then beat you with experience.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Kat on Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:26pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:22pm:
Stop feeding the troll, Kat.

You can’t win—they drag you down to their level of total idiocy then beat you with experience.



Hmmm... he sure seems to have plenty of that.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Bam on Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:37pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 6:27pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 4:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 8:16pm:
Tow backs have been an integral part of Operation Sovereign Borders in which this policy was released to the public months before the election on the Liberal party website.
The public were well aware of this, and Abbott went to the election with it and won the election.
Your selective memory does you no credit whatsoever.
And tow backs will continue to be an integral part of a policy which has been very successful in the few months it has been active which is why it will remain despite the bleatings of the left side of politics or the Indonesians.
Smugglers boats will never be welcome in this country.


Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
The official policy never was tow back...  that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

I'd have no problem with them doing just that, but the Indonesians might be a bit miffed.

You have contradicted each other.

One of you is wrong.

Please work out amongst yourselves which one of you is wrong.

Actually we could both be right in part.
But as for the policy I am 100% correct.
You can work out the rest yourself...  I used to think you were bright enough to do that.

That should be done by CL. He was the one that contradicted you, not me. I'll wait for the both of you to work out between yourselves what the policy actually is (or was), complete with links.

Don't be stupid, we don't know each other and we don't share the same politics anymore than you and I do.
The policy was TURN Back The Boats not the labor lie.
What is your point?

At least one of you is posting rubbish without checking your facts. Surely you're smart enough to work this out. Read the highlighted bits again. Which one of you is correct? Were tow backs published Coalition policy or not? And if they were, why was Abbott denying this?

Now, are you going to provide evidence? Or are you going to keep dodging the question?

I don't care what anyone else writes he's not my brother and I'm not his keeper.
I answered your question.

I asked for evidence. I asked more than once. Since you didn't provide any (despite being asked more than once), here is the evidence that you seem unable to provide.

Abbott splitting hairs on the difference between towing and turning back the boats. (ABC Fact Check)

The trouble is, you appear to be wrong. You have claimed: "The official policy never was tow back...  that was labor misquoting and propaganda." Yet we have clear video footage of one of those orange lifeboats that the government purchased earlier, connected to an Australian warship by a rope and apparently being towed somewhere at sea. If that's not a boat being towed, what is it?


Quote:
Lots of people post crap and wrong things here, I try to be much more accurate and correct.
Are you denying what I said is correct?
If not fine, I have no idea why you think i'm responsible for the errors of others.

You're not a raving loony like some of the other posters here (on both sides). At least you bothered to respond; chickenlips apparently ran away and hid in some dark corner.

But you may be wrong, if that inconvenient video footage is indeed a boat load of asylum seekers being towed by an Australian warship - a policy that you claimed did not exist.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Sorryyouarewrong on Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:41pm
No one cares if they are towed or turned as long as they're gone.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 11th, 2014 at 11:41pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 9:45pm:
Happy to see the boats sent/towed back.

As long as they are loaded with Aussie conservatives first.

Too bad it's the opposite. They would all be future Labor voters on the dole like yourself. Maybe you should join them in solidarity comrade? Although you wouldn't have the guts.



They are typically "A" type personalities - people who take action and make things happen - Mostly conservatives by nature - except for the way they are treated by the Liberals that is.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by FriYAY on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:05am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 5:31pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:45pm:
Tow em back, turn em round, sink em, who cares.

As long as they stop coming.



Back to the Howard day attitudes / get out the machine guns - no more crying about them being sent to Malaysia.


Howard used machine guns, what what what!!

Rudd wanted them to rot on PNG.

Malaysia!!!

Just stop the people smuggling trade.

There are millions out there with their hands out.



Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 12th, 2014 at 2:27pm

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 12th, 2014 at 4:28pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:41pm:
No one cares if they are towed or turned as long as they're gone.



No one cares that our PM's word is meaningless ?????

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 12th, 2014 at 4:31pm

FriYAY wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:05am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 5:31pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 2:45pm:
Tow em back, turn em round, sink em, who cares.

As long as they stop coming.



Back to the Howard day attitudes / get out the machine guns - no more crying about them being sent to Malaysia.


Howard used machine guns, what what what!!

Rudd wanted them to rot on PNG.

Malaysia!!!

Just stop the people smuggling trade.

There are millions out there with their hands out.



Howard used machine guns, what what what!!

No but a lot of Liberal supporters who were later crying about the plight of refugees sent to Malaysia were previously suggesting that would have been an ideal solution and now as you see we have changed governments and gone full circle on opinion.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Dnarever on Feb 12th, 2014 at 4:32pm
25 broken promise in 150 days

I don't believe that the number could possibly be that low.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Grendel on Feb 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm

Quote:
I asked for evidence. I asked more than once. Since you didn't provide any (despite being asked more than once), here is the evidence that you seem unable to provide.


I didn't see any original question but I did answer it anyway in my comments.

The Policy is as I stated and more fully how Aussie quoted it.  Did you miss them?

The policy as Abbott has stated and clarified many times and as it has been repeated here was TURN BACK THE BOATS...  how they do that is up to the people at the coalface.  No boat has to my knowledge been found in our waters and towed back to Indonesia.  The TOW Back cry was Labor propaganda.

It isn't confusing or rocket science.
I wasn't wrong or avoiding answering you that is being very disingenuous to say so.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 12th, 2014 at 7:41pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:

Quote:
I asked for evidence. I asked more than once. Since you didn't provide any (despite being asked more than once), here is the evidence that you seem unable to provide.


I didn't see any original question but I did answer it anyway in my comments.

The Policy is as I stated and more fully how Aussie quoted it.  Did you miss them?

The policy as Abbott has stated and clarified many times and as it has been repeated here was TURN BACK THE BOATS...  how they do that is up to the people at the coalface.  No boat has to my knowledge been found in our waters and towed back to Indonesia.  The TOW Back cry was Labor propaganda.

It isn't confusing or rocket science.
I wasn't wrong or avoiding answering you that is being very disingenuous to say so.


Hang on Grendel.  The policy was to 'turn back boats.....where it was safe to do so.'

It was not....."Stalk, wait until they get inside our waters, pounce, put fingers in ears and not hear claims for asylum, take them off the fishing boat, load them into an orange boat, and then tow them out of Australia, through international high seas, and when they get near to, or even beyond Indonesian territory, let them loose."

That is the only logical explanation for what we have seen, and that was not what the lying prick took the election.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Bam on Feb 12th, 2014 at 7:58pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:

Quote:
I asked for evidence. I asked more than once. Since you didn't provide any (despite being asked more than once), here is the evidence that you seem unable to provide.


I didn't see any original question but I did answer it anyway in my comments.

The Policy is as I stated and more fully how Aussie quoted it.  Did you miss them?

The policy as Abbott has stated and clarified many times and as it has been repeated here was TURN BACK THE BOATS...  how they do that is up to the people at the coalface.  No boat has to my knowledge been found in our waters and towed back to Indonesia.  The TOW Back cry was Labor propaganda.

Nonsense. Are you denying the existence of the footage?


Quote:
It isn't confusing or rocket science.
I wasn't wrong

So why are boats being towed after Abbott specifically denied this would happen?


Quote:
or avoiding answering you

You are cropping out much of my response though. Why are you trying to deny the undeniable?


Quote:
that is being very disingenuous to say so.

That's the pot calling the kettle black. You are being disingenuous, cropping out those parts of my response that you cannot refute (that is, most of it) and then pretending I never said it.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Bam on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:01pm
I also note that the rightards have not bothered to refute most of the items on this list. I note this tacit acceptance of this long list of broken promises.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Grendel on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:29pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 7:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:

Quote:
I asked for evidence. I asked more than once. Since you didn't provide any (despite being asked more than once), here is the evidence that you seem unable to provide.


I didn't see any original question but I did answer it anyway in my comments.

The Policy is as I stated and more fully how Aussie quoted it.  Did you miss them?

The policy as Abbott has stated and clarified many times and as it has been repeated here was TURN BACK THE BOATS...  how they do that is up to the people at the coalface.  No boat has to my knowledge been found in our waters and towed back to Indonesia.  The TOW Back cry was Labor propaganda.

It isn't confusing or rocket science.
I wasn't wrong or avoiding answering you that is being very disingenuous to say so.


Hang on Grendel.  The policy was to 'turn back boats.....where it was safe to do so.' That's right I agree and I acknowledged you...

It was not....."Stalk, wait until they get inside our waters, pounce, put fingers in ears and not hear claims for asylum, take them off the fishing boat, load them into an orange boat, and then tow them out of Australia, through international high seas, and when they get near to, or even beyond Indonesian territory, let them loose." Don't be a bloody idiot all the time... be happy you get credit for being right occasionally.

That is the only logical explanation for what we have seen, and that was not what the lying prick took the election.  There ya going being an idiot again.


Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Grendel on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:30pm

Bam wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:01pm:
I also note that the rightards have not bothered to refute most of the items on this list. I note this tacit acceptance of this long list of broken promises.

Well I told you why I'm not going to do it.  It was so stupid I couldn't even be bothered reading it all. Why would you waste time refuting idiocy and lies?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Aussie on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:32pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 7:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:

Quote:
I asked for evidence. I asked more than once. Since you didn't provide any (despite being asked more than once), here is the evidence that you seem unable to provide.


I didn't see any original question but I did answer it anyway in my comments.

The Policy is as I stated and more fully how Aussie quoted it.  Did you miss them?

The policy as Abbott has stated and clarified many times and as it has been repeated here was TURN BACK THE BOATS...  how they do that is up to the people at the coalface.  No boat has to my knowledge been found in our waters and towed back to Indonesia.  The TOW Back cry was Labor propaganda.

It isn't confusing or rocket science.
I wasn't wrong or avoiding answering you that is being very disingenuous to say so.


Hang on Grendel.  The policy was to 'turn back boats.....where it was safe to do so.' That's right I agree and I acknowledged you...

It was not....."Stalk, wait until they get inside our waters, pounce, put fingers in ears and not hear claims for asylum, take them off the fishing boat, load them into an orange boat, and then tow them out of Australia, through international high seas, and when they get near to, or even beyond Indonesian territory, let them loose." Don't be a bloody idiot all the time... be happy you get credit for being right occasionally.

That is the only logical explanation for what we have seen, and that was not what the lying prick took the election.  There ya going being an idiot again.


That's typical dumb from you, Grendel.  How about you do better than crap ad hom and address the points  made.  Any chance of that happening, Grendel?

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Grendel on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:39pm

Bam wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:

Quote:
I asked for evidence. I asked more than once. Since you didn't provide any (despite being asked more than once), here is the evidence that you seem unable to provide.


I didn't see any original question but I did answer it anyway in my comments.

The Policy is as I stated and more fully how Aussie quoted it.  Did you miss them?

The policy as Abbott has stated and clarified many times and as it has been repeated here was TURN BACK THE BOATS...  how they do that is up to the people at the coalface.  No boat has to my knowledge been found in our waters and towed back to Indonesia.  The TOW Back cry was Labor propaganda.

Nonsense. Are you denying the existence of the footage?  Now you are just being plain annoying...  and wrong.  TOW BACK THE BOATS WAS LABOR PROPAGANDA...  personally I don't care if they tow boats a little way or part way or even the bloody whole way as long as the boats are TURNED BACK!!!

[quote]It isn't confusing or rocket science.
I wasn't wrong

So why are boats being towed after Abbott specifically denied this would happen? OMG....  were the boats towed back from where they were intercepted to the Indonesian mainland?  You got a quote where Abbott said boats would not be towed any distance if necessary?  Or are you making that up too?  THE POLICY was TURN BACK THE BOATS....  Labor called it TOW BACK the Boats...  the lifeboats are motorised they go back under their own power as do as Aussie suggested boats "where it is safe to do so."


Quote:
or avoiding answering you

You are cropping out much of my response though. Why are you trying to deny the undeniable? You are being pedantic to the point of stupidity, I expect that from others not you.


Quote:
that is being very disingenuous to say so.

That's the pot calling the kettle black. You are being disingenuous, cropping out those parts of my response that you cannot refute (that is, most of it) and then pretending I never said it.
I haven't cropped out anything....
I answered your question, whatever it was.
I explained the policy.
If you are so politically biased you cannot or will not understand that then I won't waste my time with you anymore.
[/quote]

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:43pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:30pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:01pm:
I also note that the rightards have not bothered to refute most of the items on this list. I note this tacit acceptance of this long list of broken promises.

Well I told you why I'm not going to do it.  It was so stupid I couldn't even be bothered reading it all. Why would you waste time refuting idiocy and lies?



Your task is to explain why you think "it was so stupid".

Your failure to do so is quite telling.

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:50am

Aussie wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:32pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 7:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:

Quote:
I asked for evidence. I asked more than once. Since you didn't provide any (despite being asked more than once), here is the evidence that you seem unable to provide.


I didn't see any original question but I did answer it anyway in my comments.

The Policy is as I stated and more fully how Aussie quoted it.  Did you miss them?

The policy as Abbott has stated and clarified many times and as it has been repeated here was TURN BACK THE BOATS...  how they do that is up to the people at the coalface.  No boat has to my knowledge been found in our waters and towed back to Indonesia.  The TOW Back cry was Labor propaganda.

It isn't confusing or rocket science.
I wasn't wrong or avoiding answering you that is being very disingenuous to say so.


Hang on Grendel.  The policy was to 'turn back boats.....where it was safe to do so.' That's right I agree and I acknowledged you...

It was not....."Stalk, wait until they get inside our waters, pounce, put fingers in ears and not hear claims for asylum, take them off the fishing boat, load them into an orange boat, and then tow them out of Australia, through international high seas, and when they get near to, or even beyond Indonesian territory, let them loose." Don't be a bloody idiot all the time... be happy you get credit for being right occasionally.

That is the only logical explanation for what we have seen, and that was not what the lying prick took the election.  There ya going being an idiot again.


That's typical dumb from you, Grendel.  How about you do better than crap ad hom and address the points  made.  Any chance of that happening, Grendel?

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D wassup Aussie...  sock drawer open?
Trying to garner support for the unsupportable nonsense above?  :D ;D :D :D

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:52am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:30pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:01pm:
I also note that the rightards have not bothered to refute most of the items on this list. I note this tacit acceptance of this long list of broken promises.

Well I told you why I'm not going to do it.  It was so stupid I couldn't even be bothered reading it all. Why would you waste time refuting idiocy and lies?



Your task is to explain why you think "it was so stupid".

Your failure to do so is quite telling.

If you are so concerned your task is to explain to me why it actually isn't stupid...
As usual, I won't be holding my breath.  ::)

Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Post by Bam on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:27am

Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
The policy as Abbott has stated and clarified many times and as it has been repeated here was TURN BACK THE BOATS...  how they do that is up to the people at the coalface.  No boat has to my knowledge been found in our waters and towed back to Indonesia.  The TOW Back cry was Labor propaganda.

Nonsense. Are you denying the existence of the footage?
  Now you are just being plain annoying...  and wrong.  TOW BACK THE BOATS WAS LABOR PROPAGANDA...  personally I don't care if they tow boats a little way or part way or even the bloody whole way as long as the boats are TURNED BACK!!!

Yes, it must irk you to know that I have a point that you have difficulty refuting.
[olist]
  • Did Abbott say this and what exactly did he mean by this? "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia."
  • What is going on in the following picture, Grendel?[/olist]
    If you think I'm wrong, you have two choices. Prove what you say or stop whining.


    Quote:
    [quote]So why are boats being towed after Abbott specifically denied this would happen?
    OMG....  were the boats towed back from where they were intercepted to the Indonesian mainland?  You got a quote where Abbott said boats would not be towed any distance if necessary?  Or are you making that up too?  THE POLICY was TURN BACK THE BOATS....  Labor called it TOW BACK the Boats...  the lifeboats are motorised they go back under their own power as do as Aussie suggested boats "where it is safe to do so."[/quote]
    I provided a link. I provided a link because you refused to do so despite being asked more than once. Perhaps you should have clicked it and read it instead of deleting it, pretending it did not exist, and then complaining. If you're going to ignore a link and then be disingenuous about it that is not my problem.


    Quote:
    [quote][quote]or avoiding answering you

    You are cropping out much of my response though. Why are you trying to deny the undeniable?[/quote] You are being pedantic to the point of stupidity, I expect that from others not you.[/quote]
    So I'm taking the trouble to get the facts right and you delete most of my response, pretend it didn't exist, and then call it "pedantic" when I remind you? What a load of rubbish. I expected better of you. It is better to get the facts right rather than being lazy, disingenuous and deceitful like you are doing.


    Quote:
    [quote][quote]that is being very disingenuous to say so.

    That's the pot calling the kettle black. You are being disingenuous, cropping out those parts of my response that you cannot refute (that is, most of it) and then pretending I never said it.[/quote]
    I haven't cropped out anything....[/quote]
    Oh, really? You deleted three paragraphs and a link, none of which you bothered to respond to.

    Here is what you cropped out and then falsely claimed you didn't crop out:

    Bam wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:37pm:
    Abbott splitting hairs on the difference between towing and turning back the boats. (ABC Fact Check)

    The trouble is, you appear to be wrong. You have claimed: "The official policy never was tow back...  that was labor misquoting and propaganda." Yet we have clear video footage of one of those orange lifeboats that the government purchased earlier, connected to an Australian warship by a rope and apparently being towed somewhere at sea. If that's not a boat being towed, what is it?


    Quote:
    Lots of people post crap and wrong things here, I try to be much more accurate and correct.
    Are you denying what I said is correct?
    If not fine, I have no idea why you think i'm responsible for the errors of others.

    You're not a raving loony like some of the other posters here (on both sides). At least you bothered to respond; chickenlips apparently ran away and hid in some dark corner.

    But you may be wrong, if that inconvenient video footage is indeed a boat load of asylum seekers being towed by an Australian warship - a policy that you claimed did not exist.


  • Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Bam on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:30am

    Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:30pm:

    Bam wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:01pm:
    I also note that the rightards have not bothered to refute most of the items on this list. I note this tacit acceptance of this long list of broken promises.

    Well I told you why I'm not going to do it.  It was so stupid I couldn't even be bothered reading it all. Why would you waste time refuting idiocy and lies?

    Handwaving is not a refutation.


    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Bam on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:36am
    In the interest of fairness, I will provide a quotation for the complete question and answer from Abbott and Bishop's press conference in Jakarta on October 1, 2013. In my previous post there was insufficient space to post it in full due to the character limit.

    Joint Press Conference with Minister Julie Bishop, Jakarta - October 1 2013 (www.pm.gov.au)

    Quote:
    QUESTION:

    At the risk of trying to generate a story, you said last night that Australia respected Indonesia’s sovereignty. The Indonesian Foreign Minister this morning has said we’ll have to wait and see on that. Now, do you see a way where some of Australia’s policies under the Coalition like tow backs and the payments to villagers for boats etcetera can be implemented without compromising Indonesian sovereignty?

    PRIME MINISTER:


    Look, just a few observations and then I might ask Julie to add to it because Julie has been having very detailed discussions with Marty Natalegawa, as in coming weeks Scott Morrison will have with Minister Suyanto, the Coordinating Security Minister. Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia. There is just a world of difference and if I may say so, there has been a tendency of people to put to other people what is not the Coalition’s policy in an attempt to, I think, generate a headline rather than constructively address this issue. So, everything was on the table yesterday. Nothing was off limits yesterday and the clear agreement is that operational details will be dealt with on a no surprises basis at Ministerial and officials level. And on the subject of sovereignty Sid, look, we are fair dinkum about doing what we can to help Indonesia in every way and you might be aware of the fact that there were some people who turned up in the Torres Strait last week wanting to grandstand about issues in Papua. Well, very swiftly under the MOU with PNG, they went back to PNG. There was a Freedom Flotilla that wanted to set off from Australia. Well, one way or another it didn’t get very far and we want to do everything we reasonably can to demonstrate to the Government and the people of Indonesia that we respect Indonesia’s sovereignty. We want to work with Indonesia to ensure that Indonesia is strong in the years ahead because Indonesia is a future global leader and we want to be its trusted partner on this journey.

    Julie?

    MINISTER BISHOP:

    Thanks Prime Minister. As would be evident over a number of years Foreign Minister Natalegawa and I have communicated regularly on a range of issues from when I was in Opposition and now as Foreign Minister. We have been in touch on many occasions. We spent a lot of time together last week in New York meeting at bilaterals, trilaterals and quadrilaterals and other forums. So, we have had many opportunities to discuss a range of issues and indeed one of our conversations ended up in a transcript that ended up in the media. That was a mistake and Foreign Minister Natalegawa has indicated that it was not meant to happen, it was unintended, but that being the case you would have seen from that version of the conversation that very detailed matters were addressed, very detailed. So, we have an open and candid relationship. We talk about operational matters but we agreed that we wouldn’t discuss them through the media because it would be counterproductive for what we are both trying to achieve. Indonesia wants to dismantle the people smuggling trade that is occurring within their borders. Indonesia wants to stop the deaths at sea. Indonesia wants to stop the boats taking to the waters between Australia and Indonesia because it is a very dangerous journey as we have seen in recent days. So, the relationship between our two countries is very candid, very open, as evident not only by the discussions I have on a frequent basis with Foreign Minister Natalegawa but also the discussions we had yesterday with the Cabinet. For us to go into operational minutia would defeat the very purpose, the joint purpose that Australia and Indonesia are seeking to achieve and that is to stop these boats.


    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:46am

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:52am:

    greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

    Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:30pm:

    Bam wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:01pm:
    I also note that the rightards have not bothered to refute most of the items on this list. I note this tacit acceptance of this long list of broken promises.

    Well I told you why I'm not going to do it.  It was so stupid I couldn't even be bothered reading it all. Why would you waste time refuting idiocy and lies?



    Your task is to explain why you think "it was so stupid".

    Your failure to do so is quite telling.

    If you are so concerned your task is to explain to me why it actually isn't stupid...
     



    Incorrect.  The onus is on you.

    However, we all know that you won't be presenting any evidence to substantiate your claim.

    You never provide evidence to support any of your claims.  All you have are ill-informed opinions, which you mistakenly interpret as facts.

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:57am
    Peccerhead....

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by skippy. on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:58am
    Nice self portrait, boofy.

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by FriYAY on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:03am
    Who cares? All semantic rubbish.

    Has anyone seen a boat towed all the way back to Indonesia?

    Stop the country shopping illegals, by any means.

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:06am

    skippy. wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:58am:
    Nice self portrait, boofy.



    Exactly.

    The ultimate troll, our little Grendel.

    Ill-informed opinions, backed up with ... well ... absolutely nothing.

    He either a) doesn't know how to cut & paste and cite references, or b) honestly believes that one's opinions are the same as facts.




    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:50am

    Bam wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:27am:

    Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

    Bam wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 7:58pm:
    [quote author=grendel link=1391836204/186#186 date=1392195578]The policy as Abbott has stated and clarified many times and as it has been repeated here was TURN BACK THE BOATS...  how they do that is up to the people at the coalface.  No boat has to my knowledge been found in our waters and towed back to Indonesia.  The TOW Back cry was Labor propaganda.

    Nonsense. Are you denying the existence of the footage?
      Now you are just being plain annoying...  and wrong.  TOW BACK THE BOATS WAS LABOR PROPAGANDA...  personally I don't care if they tow boats a little way or part way or even the bloody whole way as long as the boats are TURNED BACK!!!

    Yes, it must irk you to know that I have a point that you have difficulty refuting.

    I repeat I didn't crop anything...
    The only time things may get left off is because the site won't allow that many embedded quotes, someone edits my post or it has no relevance to my reply.  I don't crop stuff to be deceptive as you are implying I'm not a dishonest person.
    You have no point I have difficulty refuting if I think it needs refuting.
    I'm not an Abbott fan I didn't even vote for him so enough of the shyt.
    The policy was TURN BACK THE BOATS the quote on the site states clearly what Abbott said about the Labor LIE...  even Aussie knows what the policy was.
    I might not like or vote for someone but I won't lie about them, I'm not a rusted-on tribal idiot voter.
    I find it amusing and very hypocritical that you seem to find this so called "broken" promise so important when Gillard's blatant broken promise was much more important and was soooo clearly stated.  I have been BTW a big Gillard fan...  but she turned out to be a shyt PM.

    The boats have not been towed back to Indonesia.
    That was not Liberal policy.
    Personally I don't care how they stop these criminal idiots coming here in boats as long as they do.

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:51am

    greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:06am:

    skippy. wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:58am:
    Nice self portrait, boofy.



    Exactly.

    The ultimate troll, our little Grendel.

    Ill-informed opinions, backed up with ... well ... absolutely nothing.

    He either a) doesn't know how to cut & paste and cite references, or b) honestly believes that one's opinions are the same as facts.



    More trolling?
    I'd report you and your crap if I was like you or the other more delicate LW Progs here.
    get personal with someone else TROLL...

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:00am

    Quote:
       2. What is going on in the following picture, Grendel?

    ...
    If you think I'm wrong, you have two choices. Prove what you say or stop whining.


    I think there is no room on board that particular vessel to store and launch that type of lifeboat.  I think it's being towed...  which would be normal procedure.

    What do you think?

    I suggest you take it up with customs or the navy, I don't have contacts there.

    I think that these lifeboats are tied up to allow safe entry to the vessel.
    I think they may be towed back to Indonesian waters...  not the Indonesian mainland, on occassion, to make sure those on board can reach landfall safely and bid a fond farewell.
    Personally I'd tow em back to their port of departure and call the Indonesian authorities and have them all arrested and the people smugglers but we know how corrupt many Indonesians are and we know they want the money and this is a way to rid themselves of these "undesirables"...  win-win for them...  we all know they refuse to agree with the idea or returning them to the mainland via tow back...  which is why it is not happening and why it was never POLICY

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by skippy. on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:06am

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:51am:

    greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:06am:

    skippy. wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:58am:
    Nice self portrait, boofy.



    Exactly.

    The ultimate troll, our little Grendel.

    Ill-informed opinions, backed up with ... well ... absolutely nothing.

    He either a) doesn't know how to cut & paste and cite references, or b) honestly believes that one's opinions are the same as facts.



    More trolling?
    I'd report you and your crap if I was like you or the other more delicate LW Progs here.
    get personal with someone else TROLL...

    Why don't you do that, boofy? The fact you posted a pic and said it was greg will no doubt work in your favour, NOT. No wonder you're the forums whipping boy. ::)

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:21am

    Bam wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:30am:

    Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:30pm:

    Bam wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:01pm:
    I also note that the rightards have not bothered to refute most of the items on this list. I note this tacit acceptance of this long list of broken promises.

    Well I told you why I'm not going to do it.  It was so stupid I couldn't even be bothered reading it all. Why would you waste time refuting idiocy and lies?

    Handwaving is not a refutation.

    Well I'm not waving my hand and I'm frankly sick of your inferences particularly when I'm more than courteous to you on most occasions.
    If you cannot see the reasons I find them stupid not to mention biased then why would I bother?
    How about the ridicule etc at the start of the article with the images?  Do you honestly think this is going to be an unbiased article.  Since when has this group been unbiased or even credible journalists?  How about the lie "Pretty clear. No tow ropes"....  talk about flippant idiocy.
    This...
        “Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.”

    Does not mean No Tow Ropes...  of course as a matter of normal procedure and safety there will be TOW ROPES.

    It means boats will be turned around...  but won't be getting towed back to Indonesian ports.


    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:27am

    Quote:
    I provided a link. Didn't see it. I provided a link because you refused to do so despite being asked more than once. Really when?  I only saw Aussie's reference to an image and I could think of lots of reasons for that situation, so why would I bother even looking at it when I'd be arguing with closed biased minds. A waste of time. Perhaps you should have clicked it and read it instead of deleting it, I didn't delete anything.  If you posted it surely it is still there. pretending it did not exist, didn't see it. and then complaining. haven't complained. If you're going to ignore a link and then be disingenuous about it that is not my problem.  Your problem it seems is bias. Don't colour my actions or your assumptions about me with it.

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:31am

    Quote:
    So I'm taking the trouble to get the facts right and you delete most of my response, pretend it didn't exist, and then call it "pedantic" when I remind you? What a load of rubbish. I expected better of you. It is better to get the facts right rather than being lazy, disingenuous and deceitful like you are doing.


    oh dear, I haven't been deleting anything.
    I only quote what is necessary, that's what most people do.  ::)
    Not lazy, not disingenuous or deceitful thank you very much.

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:35am

    Quote:
    Oh, really? You deleted three paragraphs and a link, none of which you bothered to respond to.

    Here is what you cropped out and then falsely claimed you didn't crop out:


    I didn't crop anything out... I was not being deceitful, I am not lying.
    I posted what I was replying to...  that is normal behaviour, we don't all post every bloody thing that has been said before in every bloody post.  That would be bloody stupid.  Posts wouldn't fit on the page.  ::)

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:45am


    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:47am
    Having now read what you said I cropped out...  I repeat... I posted what was needed for my reply...  I have now well and truly answered all your stuff...

    I already addressed it btw in the piece you just quoted.  You dismissed it out of hand.

    There are many reasons for having a lifeboat in tow...  I told Aussie to go away and think of some...  I have now supplied some... why must I do all the thinking for you lot?  Is your bias so all pervading you can't think?

    Now Bam...  I hope everything is answered, me...  I need a holiday from you.  If I didn't respect you I would have just ignored you.  I wasn't being dishonest etc, it isn't in my nature, but wasting time on things with biased people like Aussie, when it is so obvious there are other alternative reasons, then having you decide to mount the same argument, etc, when I expect better makes one reassess whether or not participating is worth it.

    Obviously we are all interested in politics...  some though are here only to push the tribal barrow.
    I'm a LW Conservative swinging voter...  rusted-ons are bad for our democracy, society and country.  Bad for debate.  Bad for politics in general.

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:56am
    24...  starts of with a totally biased piece of ridicule...  is that


    Quote:
        That deportation really hit the spot. I might wash it down with the tears of an unaccompanied minor. #auspol pic.twitter.com/p2c8Dipoea
        — Scott Morrison (@Scott_The_Boats) January 31, 2014


    So you're trying to tell me this is going to be an honest factual piece?  ;D ;D ;D


    Quote:
    Entering Indonesia waters

    On Wednesday 15th January, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison told a press conference that Australia:

        “… respects Indonesia’s territorial sovereignty.”

    Just two days later, he admitted — well, actually, we don’t:

    [quote]“Border Protection Command assets had, in the conduct of maritime operations associated with Operation Sovereign Borders, inadvertently entered Indonesian territorial waters on several occasions.”
    [/quote]

    Let me tell you the seas and oceans are vast and there are no lines painted on the waves or fences out there. If you think mistakes cannot be made or you know exactly where you are to the millimetre at all times you are ignorant.  Even in the vessels we own.

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Dnarever on Feb 13th, 2014 at 1:47pm

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:21am:

    Bam wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:30am:

    Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:30pm:

    Bam wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:01pm:
    I also note that the rightards have not bothered to refute most of the items on this list. I note this tacit acceptance of this long list of broken promises.

    Well I told you why I'm not going to do it.  It was so stupid I couldn't even be bothered reading it all. Why would you waste time refuting idiocy and lies?

    Handwaving is not a refutation.

    Well I'm not waving my hand and I'm frankly sick of your inferences particularly when I'm more than courteous to you on most occasions.
    If you cannot see the reasons I find them stupid not to mention biased then why would I bother?
    How about the ridicule etc at the start of the article with the images?  Do you honestly think this is going to be an unbiased article.  Since when has this group been unbiased or even credible journalists?  How about the lie "Pretty clear. No tow ropes"....  talk about flippant idiocy.
    This...
        “Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.”

    Does not mean No Tow Ropes...  of course as a matter of normal procedure and safety there will be TOW ROPES.

    It means boats will be turned around...  but won't be getting towed back to Indonesian ports.


    but won't be getting towed back to Indonesian ports.

    One of the most interesting but incorrect interpretations of a clear statement I have ever seen.

    That assessment would earn you a fail in 2nd grade of primary school.

    Had they been taking them back to port in Indonesia they would have simply taken them on board there would have been no need to supply a few hundred thousand dollars of boats and a slow tow back.

    None of the facts support your assessment, they all support tow backs having occurred.

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Aussie on Feb 13th, 2014 at 4:24pm

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:47am:
    Having now read what you said I cropped out...  I repeat... I posted what was needed for my reply...  I have now well and truly answered all your stuff...

    I already addressed it btw in the piece you just quoted.  You dismissed it out of hand.

    There are many reasons for having a lifeboat in tow...  I told Aussie to go away and think of some...  I have now supplied some... why must I do all the thinking for you lot?  Is your bias so all pervading you can't think?

    Now Bam...  I hope everything is answered, me...  I need a holiday from you.  If I didn't respect you I would have just ignored you.  I wasn't being dishonest etc, it isn't in my nature, but wasting time on things with biased people like Aussie, when it is so obvious there are other alternative reasons, then having you decide to mount the same argument, etc, when I expect better makes one reassess whether or not participating is worth it.

    Obviously we are all interested in politics...  some though are here only to push the tribal barrow.
    I'm a LW Conservative swinging voter...  rusted-ons are bad for our democracy, society and country.  Bad for debate.  Bad for politics in general.


    Really......was it in your dreams, or did I miss it?

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2014 at 4:57pm

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:56am:
    Let me tell you the seas and oceans are vast and there are no lines painted on the waves or fences out there. If you think mistakes cannot be made or you know exactly where you are to the millimetre at all times you are ignorant.  Even in the vessels we own.



    I'm chipping in $10, for the Navy to buy a GPS.

    Would you like to donate as well?






    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 4:59pm

    Aussie wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:47am:
    Having now read what you said I cropped out...  I repeat... I posted what was needed for my reply...  I have now well and truly answered all your stuff...

    I already addressed it btw in the piece you just quoted.  You dismissed it out of hand.

    There are many reasons for having a lifeboat in tow...  I told Aussie to go away and think of some...  I have now supplied some... why must I do all the thinking for you lot?  Is your bias so all pervading you can't think?

    Now Bam...  I hope everything is answered, me...  I need a holiday from you.  If I didn't respect you I would have just ignored you.  I wasn't being dishonest etc, it isn't in my nature, but wasting time on things with biased people like Aussie, when it is so obvious there are other alternative reasons, then having you decide to mount the same argument, etc, when I expect better makes one reassess whether or not participating is worth it.

    Obviously we are all interested in politics...  some though are here only to push the tribal barrow.
    I'm a LW Conservative swinging voter...  rusted-ons are bad for our democracy, society and country.  Bad for debate.  Bad for politics in general.


    Really......was it in your dreams, or did I miss it?

    Obviously you were asleep or missed it as usual.

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:07pm

    Dnarever wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 1:47pm:

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:21am:

    Bam wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:30am:

    Grendel wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:30pm:

    Bam wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 8:01pm:
    I also note that the rightards have not bothered to refute most of the items on this list. I note this tacit acceptance of this long list of broken promises.

    Well I told you why I'm not going to do it.  It was so stupid I couldn't even be bothered reading it all. Why would you waste time refuting idiocy and lies?

    Handwaving is not a refutation.

    Well I'm not waving my hand and I'm frankly sick of your inferences particularly when I'm more than courteous to you on most occasions.
    If you cannot see the reasons I find them stupid not to mention biased then why would I bother?
    How about the ridicule etc at the start of the article with the images?  Do you honestly think this is going to be an unbiased article.  Since when has this group been unbiased or even credible journalists?  How about the lie "Pretty clear. No tow ropes"....  talk about flippant idiocy.
    This...
        “Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.”

    Does not mean No Tow Ropes...  of course as a matter of normal procedure and safety there will be TOW ROPES.

    It means boats will be turned around...  but won't be getting towed back to Indonesian ports.


    but won't be getting towed back to Indonesian ports.

    One of the most interesting but incorrect interpretations of a clear statement I have ever seen. really? next time try the whole quote.

    That assessment would earn you a fail in 2nd grade of primary school.  Not me but you perhaps dna.

    Had they been taking them back to port in Indonesia how soon we forget the past. they would have simply taken them on board there would have been no need to supply a few hundred thousand dollars of boats and a slow tow back. What happened the last time they were on a boat that took them back to port?

    None of the facts support your assessment, they all support tow backs having occurred.  It is clear what Abbott said...  it is clear your bias prevents you from admitting it.  Just more proof why I didn't bother to start with.  To tow a boat back to Indonesia you actually have to make landfall.  To tow a boat back may allow you to be withing sight of Indonesia.  To tow a boat may be any distance to anywhere.  Abbott clearly stated...
    "There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.”   Sorry you failed English DNA.


    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:13pm

    greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:56am:
    Let me tell you the seas and oceans are vast and there are no lines painted on the waves or fences out there. If you think mistakes cannot be made or you know exactly where you are to the millimetre at all times you are ignorant.  Even in the vessels we own.



    I'm chipping in $10, for the Navy to buy a GPS.

    Would you like to donate as well?



    Happy for you to tell us...  how old the boats are what their guidance and positioning systems are and how accurate they are. 
    Happy for you to confirm that they are infallible and that the seamen who use them are too.
    Happy for you to clarify the Commander's position and orders at the time.  :D ;D :D ;D :D

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:19pm

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:13pm:

    greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:56am:
    Let me tell you the seas and oceans are vast and there are no lines painted on the waves or fences out there. If you think mistakes cannot be made or you know exactly where you are to the millimetre at all times you are ignorant.  Even in the vessels we own.



    I'm chipping in $10, for the Navy to buy a GPS.

    Would you like to donate as well?



    Happy for you to tell us...  how old the boats are what their guidance and positioning systems are and how accurate they are. 



    Considering how many times the incompetent Australian Navy have broken international laws, I'd say that the boats are pretty old, the guidance systems are obsolete, and their accuracy is quite poor.

    They're probably using these:




    Not acceptable.

    So, would you like to donate?  Can I put you down for $10?



    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Aussie on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:21pm

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 4:59pm:

    Aussie wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:47am:
    Having now read what you said I cropped out...  I repeat... I posted what was needed for my reply...  I have now well and truly answered all your stuff...

    I already addressed it btw in the piece you just quoted.  You dismissed it out of hand.

    There are many reasons for having a lifeboat in tow...  I told Aussie to go away and think of some...  I have now supplied some... why must I do all the thinking for you lot?  Is your bias so all pervading you can't think?

    Now Bam...  I hope everything is answered, me...  I need a holiday from you.  If I didn't respect you I would have just ignored you.  I wasn't being dishonest etc, it isn't in my nature, but wasting time on things with biased people like Aussie, when it is so obvious there are other alternative reasons, then having you decide to mount the same argument, etc, when I expect better makes one reassess whether or not participating is worth it.

    Obviously we are all interested in politics...  some though are here only to push the tribal barrow.
    I'm a LW Conservative swinging voter...  rusted-ons are bad for our democracy, society and country.  Bad for debate.  Bad for politics in general.


    Really......was it in your dreams, or did I miss it?

    Obviously you were asleep or missed it as usual.


    Let's see it then.  Link please.

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:26pm

    Aussie wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 4:59pm:

    Aussie wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:47am:
    Having now read what you said I cropped out...  I repeat... I posted what was needed for my reply...  I have now well and truly answered all your stuff...

    I already addressed it btw in the piece you just quoted.  You dismissed it out of hand.

    There are many reasons for having a lifeboat in tow...  I told Aussie to go away and think of some...  I have now supplied some... why must I do all the thinking for you lot?  Is your bias so all pervading you can't think?

    Now Bam...  I hope everything is answered, me...  I need a holiday from you.  If I didn't respect you I would have just ignored you.  I wasn't being dishonest etc, it isn't in my nature, but wasting time on things with biased people like Aussie, when it is so obvious there are other alternative reasons, then having you decide to mount the same argument, etc, when I expect better makes one reassess whether or not participating is worth it.

    Obviously we are all interested in politics...  some though are here only to push the tribal barrow.
    I'm a LW Conservative swinging voter...  rusted-ons are bad for our democracy, society and country.  Bad for debate.  Bad for politics in general.


    Really......was it in your dreams, or did I miss it?

    Obviously you were asleep or missed it as usual.


    Let's see it then.  Link please.



    A link, from Grendel?




    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Aussie on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:32pm
    This debate has wandered off course, and I may have contributed.  Let's revisit the words of Abbott which are:


    Quote:
    Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.


    Now tell me, in the context of those words, what those orange boats are, and why is there a  tow line between a warship and one of them.

    The answer is.  Abbott lied.  Our mob become aware of a boat heading our way.  We sit back and wait for it to arrive in our waters.  We leap in, turn our ears off so we do not hear any claim for asylum...........we take them off Achmed's boat, bung them into one of our orange ones, and tow them out of Australia, through international waters, and back to Indonesian waters.  Ya see.....no boats have arrived on our mainland as Abbott boasts.

    I'd love to have pointed out to me the holes in that scenario.

    How about you cods?


    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 6:56pm
    :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

    Can't work out what ropes are for eh.

    How far is towing a boat back to Indonesia?
    1m
    10m
    100m
    1km
    or is it actually to a port or landfall  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
    When is a Customs vessel a Naval vessel?

    You're like a small dog that thinks he has a very large bone Aussie.

    Oh and the Orange boats are Lifeboats.
    How does a vessel that cannot carry one or launch one actually address that problem?  Surely they wouldn't tow it would they?  :D ;D :D

    BTW I'm happy with your scenario.  What's your problem with it?

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 6:59pm

    greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:13pm:

    greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:56am:
    Let me tell you the seas and oceans are vast and there are no lines painted on the waves or fences out there. If you think mistakes cannot be made or you know exactly where you are to the millimetre at all times you are ignorant.  Even in the vessels we own.



    I'm chipping in $10, for the Navy to buy a GPS.

    Would you like to donate as well?



    Happy for you to tell us...  how old the boats are what their guidance and positioning systems are and how accurate they are. 



    Considering how many times the incompetent Australian Navy have broken international laws, I'd say that the boats are pretty old, the guidance systems are obsolete, and their accuracy is quite poor.

    They're probably using these:




    Not acceptable.

    So, would you like to donate?  Can I put you down for $10?



    I was expecting you to say they were using them actually, based on your lack of reason and logic.
    maybe they are using street directories eh.  :D ;D :D

    Still waiting for those answers BTW...  waiting, waiting, waiting....
    Maybe I should start an incessant tirade about you "cropping" my post and ignoring the rest of what I said and my questions...  whadayathink?  ::)

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by skippy. on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:12pm

    Quote:
    qYou're like a small dog that thinks he has a very large bone Aussie.

    Boofy trying to brag he has a large bone again. ::)

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:15pm

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
    Still waiting for those answers BTW...  waiting, waiting, waiting....



    Put your glasses on, old boy.

    I'll type the answers again, but slowly this time ... so you can keep up.

    "Considering how many times the incompetent Australian Navy have broken international laws, I'd say that the boats are pretty old, the guidance systems are obsolete, and their accuracy is quite poor."



    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Aussie on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:50pm

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 6:56pm:
    :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

    Can't work out what ropes are for eh.

    How far is towing a boat back to Indonesia?
    1m
    10m
    100m
    1km
    or is it actually to a port or landfall  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
    When is a Customs vessel a Naval vessel?

    You're like a small dog that thinks he has a very large bone Aussie.

    Oh and the Orange boats are Lifeboats.
    How does a vessel that cannot carry one or launch one actually address that problem?  Surely they wouldn't tow it would they?  :D ;D :D

    BTW I'm happy with your scenario.  What's your problem with it?


    Why?  Do you reckon that is what is actually happening?

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:40pm

    greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:15pm:

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
    Still waiting for those answers BTW...  waiting, waiting, waiting....



    Put your glasses on, old boy.

    I'll type the answers again, but slowly this time ... so you can keep up.

    "Considering how many times the incompetent Australian Navy have broken international laws, I'd say that the boats are pretty old, the guidance systems are obsolete, and their accuracy is quite poor."

    So you don't know then eh....
    Here you were giving everyone the impression you actually knew something.  ::) ::) ::)

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:07pm

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:40pm:

    greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:15pm:

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
    Still waiting for those answers BTW...  waiting, waiting, waiting....



    Put your glasses on, old boy.

    I'll type the answers again, but slowly this time ... so you can keep up.

    "Considering how many times the incompetent Australian Navy have broken international laws, I'd say that the boats are pretty old, the guidance systems are obsolete, and their accuracy is quite poor."

    So you don't know then eh....
    Here you were giving everyone the impression you actually knew something.  ::) ::) ::)



    No: I never gave anyone, any impression about anything.

    You were the one who asked the childish questions.

    Subsequently, I gave you my honest answers:

    "Considering how many times the incompetent Australian Navy have broken international laws, I'd say that the boats are pretty old, the guidance systems are obsolete, and their accuracy is quite poor."

    You really should try harder.



    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Dnarever on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:19pm
    If the ships in our navy are not using a modern global positioning system to plot their location to within 1 metre the relevant minister should be shot.

    It is simply not believable that a current naval vessel would not have a very accurate positioning system when the average weekend pleasure craft does.

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Dnarever on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:22pm
    The captain's and half the crew's mobile phones would all be capable of telling exactly where they were down to a few metres.

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:55pm

    greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:07pm:

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:40pm:

    greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:15pm:

    Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
    Still waiting for those answers BTW...  waiting, waiting, waiting....



    Put your glasses on, old boy.

    I'll type the answers again, but slowly this time ... so you can keep up.

    "Considering how many times the incompetent Australian Navy have broken international laws, I'd say that the boats are pretty old, the guidance systems are obsolete, and their accuracy is quite poor."

    So you don't know then eh....
    Here you were giving everyone the impression you actually knew something.  ::) ::) ::)



    No: I never gave anyone, any impression about anything.

    You were the one who asked the childish questions.

    Subsequently, I gave you my honest answers:

    "Considering how many times the incompetent Australian Navy have broken international laws, I'd say that the boats are pretty old, the guidance systems are obsolete, and their accuracy is quite poor."

    You really should try harder.

    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
    You're not foolin anyone except yourself and the Prog cheer squad there Peccerhead.
    You started us off with your inane post...  trying to ridicule what I posted, then couldn't supply the answers.
    No use knocking something if you don't know the facts peccer... you've been shown to be a fraud on this one.  All piss and wind no substance.

    Title: Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
    Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:57pm

    Dnarever wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:22pm:
    The captain's and half the crew's mobile phones would all be capable of telling exactly where they were down to a few metres.

    Even Peccer got my point DNA.  You need to sit down, relax and have a good long think.
    Or maybe read up on the subject.
    perhaps you'd like to answer the questions he couldn't?  :D ;D :D

    Australian Politics Forum » Powered by YaBB 2.5.2!
    YaBB Forum Software © 2000-2025. All Rights Reserved.