Two incidents in recent days point dramatically to the fact that we have admitted people to this country who have no business being here and who will be a growing source of division and strife for decades to come.
I refer of course to 1. the Islamic marriage of a 14 year old and 2. the rape of a young Polynesian girl by 6 African youths or young men.
The source of this problem is to be found many years ago in the insane ideas of one Al Grassby, the Labor politician who thought it was a great idea to flood this country with all & every mix of races and cultures instead of giving serious thought to what the future outcome might be having regard to what could be seen in countries that had already gone down this path, notably the UK and France.
And more recently Rudd & Gillard opened the floodgates to illegals who, in the main. are unsuitable on a cultural, economic and educational basis to form part of this society.
We can confidently look forward to more of the same in the future. The Islamic groups here are not going to adhere to our laws. Where they conflict with their own idea of what kind of "civilisation" they want to have, they will just thumb their noses at our laws.

Thank you Labor.

No, the cause of all these dastardly crimes is the policy of multiculturalism, implimented by one Malcolm Fraser.

Thank you, Liberal.

There would be no rape or child abuse in Australia if the Libs had not gone down this devastating path.

SHAME LABOR SHAME.

Actually I see this as a problem of society. We still had rapes and arranged marriages (just not as openly arranged marriages) in pre-immigration society.

The usual uneducated sloth nonsense.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 9:29am:

Actually I see this as a problem of society. We still had rapes and arranged marriages (just not as openly arranged marriages) in pre-immigration society.

True, but white civilization came along and changed all that. We implimented these things called laws, you see.

Multiculturalism changed all that. The darkies and Muslims are now above the law - sort of like dipliomatic immunity or a license to kill.

I blame the leftards. Typical.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 9:29am:

Actually I see this as a problem of society. We still had rapes and arranged marriages (just not as openly arranged marriages) in pre-immigration society.

I do not recall 12/14 yr old girls being married in Oz during the 60s/70s.....gang rapes were also rare.. if ever..

whos society are your referring too????

cods wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 9:35am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 9:29am: Actually I see this as a problem of society. We still had rapes and arranged marriages (just not as openly arranged marriages) in pre-immigration society. I do not recall 12/14 yr old girls being married in Oz during the 60s/70s.....gang rapes were also rare.. if ever.. whos society are your referring too????

No even though we had a shitload of immigration in the 60/70s. Gang rapes and rapes of any kind were rarely reported.

cods wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 9:35am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 9:29am: Actually I see this as a problem of society. We still had rapes and arranged marriages (just not as openly arranged marriages) in pre-immigration society. I do not recall 12/14 yr old girls being married in Oz during the 60s/70s

The minimum marriage age in 1901 was 12, dear.

Pathetic, leftards, just pathetic.

cods wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 9:35am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 9:29am: Actually I see this as a problem of society. We still had rapes and arranged marriages (just not as openly arranged marriages) in pre-immigration society. gang rapes were also rare.. if ever..

The Anita Cobby case an exception to the rule, dear.

SHAME.

Karnal wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 9:39am:

cods wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 9:35am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 9:29am: Actually I see this as a problem of society. We still had rapes and arranged marriages (just not as openly arranged marriages) in pre-immigration society. gang rapes were also rare.. if ever.. The Anita Cobby case an exception to the rule, dear. SHAME.

So was the Janine Balding case.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 9:39am: cods wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 9:35am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 9:29am: Actually I see this as a problem of society. We still had rapes and arranged marriages (just not as openly arranged marriages) in pre-immigration society. gang rapes were also rare.. if ever.. The Anita Cobby case an exception to the rule, dear. SHAME. So was the Janine Balding case.

A mere aberration. Gang rapes were rare - if ever.

Of course, that was before the leftard Liberal Party implimented multiculturalism and legalized rape.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

Two incidents in recent days point dramatically to the fact that we have admitted people to this country who have no business being here and who will be a growing source of division and strife for decades to come. I refer of course to 1. the Islamic marriage of a 14 year old and 2. the rape of a young Polynesian girl by 6 African youths or young men. The source of this problem is to be found many years ago in the insane ideas of one Al Grassby, the Labor politician who thought it was a great idea to flood this country with all & every mix of races and cultures instead of giving serious thought to what the future outcome might be having regard to what could be seen in countries that had already gone down this path, notably the UK and France. And more recently Rudd & Gillard opened the floodgates to illegals who, in the main. are unsuitable on a cultural, economic and educational basis to form part of this society. We can confidently look forward to more of the same in the future. The Islamic groups here are not going to adhere to our laws. Where they conflict with their own idea of what kind of "civilisation" they want to have, they will just thumb their noses at our laws. Thank you Labor.

I remember there used to be a serial rapist in Wollongong many years ago ... 'the Bulli rapist'... was that also because of labors immigration policy? Should they have never allowed immigrants from England?

moron

Both major parties support Multiculti.
Only One Nation has called for it to be abolished as a settlement policy.
Most people due to the ever moving goalposts don't even know what it really is.

Karnal wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

A mere aberration. Gang rapes were rare - if ever

were they? or was it more a case of local media not reporting something that happened 1000 km away? Today no matter how small the incident, no matter how far away, be it in Hobart, Bourke or Port Smith in WA, you will read about it on the internet

John Smith wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 10:05am: A mere aberration. Gang rapes were rare - if ever were they? or was it more a case of local media not reporting something that happened 1000 km away? Today no matter how small the incident, no matter how far away, be it in Hobart, Bourke or Port Smith in WA, you will read about it on the internet

Karnal was being sarcastic

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 10:14am: Karnal wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 10:05am: A mere aberration. Gang rapes were rare - if ever were they? or was it more a case of local media not reporting something that happened 1000 km away? Today no matter how small the incident, no matter how far away, be it in Hobart, Bourke or Port Smith in WA, you will read about it on the internet Karnal was being sarcastic

He usually is ... but I thought the point needed to be made anyway

John Smith wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 10:21am: John Smith wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 10:14am: Karnal wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 10:05am: A mere aberration. Gang rapes were rare - if ever were they? or was it more a case of local media not reporting something that happened 1000 km away? Today no matter how small the incident, no matter how far away, be it in Hobart, Bourke or Port Smith in WA, you will read about it on the internet Karnal was being sarcastic He usually is ... but I thought the point needed to be made anyway

Good point, JS. Most examples of leftard multiculturalism posted here aren't even Australian.

SHAME LABOR SHAME.

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

Two incidents in recent days point dramatically to the fact that we have admitted people to this country who have no business being here and who will be a growing source of division and strife for decades to come. I refer of course to 1. the Islamic marriage of a 14 year old and 2. the rape of a young Polynesian girl by 6 African youths or young men. The source of this problem is to be found many years ago in the insane ideas of one Al Grassby, the Labor politician who thought it was a great idea to flood this country with all & every mix of races and cultures instead of giving serious thought to what the future outcome might be having regard to what could be seen in countries that had already gone down this path, notably the UK and France. And more recently Rudd & Gillard opened the floodgates to illegals who, in the main. are unsuitable on a cultural, economic and educational basis to form part of this society. We can confidently look forward to more of the same in the future. The Islamic groups here are not going to adhere to our laws. Where they conflict with their own idea of what kind of "civilisation" they want to have, they will just thumb their noses at our laws. Thank you Labor.

What a disappointment you are. Are you telling us that the social engineering undertaken by Professor Jerzy Zubrzycki and his acolytes has failed? I want you to repeat each of these mantras ten (10) times and you'll feel a whole lot better:

Diversity is our strength
We're a tolerant country
We're the envy of the world
Multiculturalism will enrichen the tapestry of the Australian way of life
The deal with multiculturalism is that the only culture you're allowed to disapprove of is your own
A 'multicultural society' is a logical and physical impossibility


I bet you'll feel much better after repeating that.

salad in wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 9:23am: Two incidents in recent days point dramatically to the fact that we have admitted people to this country who have no business being here and who will be a growing source of division and strife for decades to come. I refer of course to 1. the Islamic marriage of a 14 year old and 2. the rape of a young Polynesian girl by 6 African youths or young men. The source of this problem is to be found many years ago in the insane ideas of one Al Grassby, the Labor politician who thought it was a great idea to flood this country with all & every mix of races and cultures instead of giving serious thought to what the future outcome might be having regard to what could be seen in countries that had already gone down this path, notably the UK and France. And more recently Rudd & Gillard opened the floodgates to illegals who, in the main. are unsuitable on a cultural, economic and educational basis to form part of this society. We can confidently look forward to more of the same in the future. The Islamic groups here are not going to adhere to our laws. Where they conflict with their own idea of what kind of "civilisation" they want to have, they will just thumb their noses at our laws. Thank you Labor. What a disappointment you are. Are you telling us that the social engineering undertaken by Professor Jerzy Zubrzycki and his acolytes has failed? I want you to repeat each of these mantras ten (10) times and you'll feel a whole lot better: Diversity is our strength We're a tolerant country We're the envy of the world Multiculturalism will enrichen the tapestry of the Australian way of life The deal with multiculturalism is that the only culture you're allowed to disapprove of is your own A 'multicultural society' is a logical and physical impossibility I bet you'll feel much better after repeating that.

It's PC gone mad, Salad, it really is. Fancy not even being allowed to disapprove of other cultures. What next - making it illegal to disapprove of the lower races?

What a joke.

salad in wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

What a disappointment you are. Are you telling us that the social engineering undertaken by Professor Jerzy Zubrzycki and his acolytes has failed?

It didn't fail because it was never implemented. Suggest you look more closely into what Zubrzycki and co were actually proposing, because the bastardised version of multiculturalism that was co-opted by Fraser and his think-tanks basically had the exact opposite effect of what Zubrzycki was intending.

Zbrzycki's model was a true model of equality and diversity designed to break down the white/anglo cultural dominance, and replace it with a genuinely heterogeneous society. Fraser and co's model was about consolidating white/anglo cultural hegemony, by empowering the political and economic ethnic elites - who directly benefited from, and therefore supported the white/anglo cultural hegemony. The rank and file ethnic population was left in the lurch, and confined to providing trivial cultural circus acts for the benefit of the dominant class - thereby achieving the dual objective of keeping them in their rightful subordinate place and maintaining the illusion of a genuinely pluralistic society.

And its worked a treat: For not only has this bastardised version of multiculturalism successfully maintained the anglo cultural hegemony, its also given the frothing-at-the-mouth nationalist commentators, politicians and intellectuals just enough ammunition to successfully create a powerful meme of white victimhood and being overrun by inferior cultures.

Thus we currently have this bizarre political landscape in Australia where the only two sides of the debate are fighting over the same thing - to maintain white cultural hegemony - both oblivious to the fact that they have both succeeded in destroying the Zbrzycki side of the debate advocating a genuine pluralist model.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 3:29pm:

Zbrzycki's model was a true model of equality and diversity designed to break down the white/anglo cultural dominance, and replace it with a genuinely heterogeneous society.

What? What?What?

For bog head's edification.....

Anita Cobby

Cobby was walking alone from the train station along Newton Road, Blacktown around 10 pm, when the gang of five men drove up alongside her and stopped their stolen Holden Kingswood.[1] Two men leaped from the car, dragging her kicking and screaming into the car. She was ordered to strip off her clothes but refused, begging her attackers to let her go, saying she was married and that she was menstruating. Her attackers continued to punch Cobby repeatedly, and forced her to perform fellatio on all five men. Her attackers then drove to a service station to purchase fuel using money stolen from Anita's purse. She was then driven to a secluded paddock, while being held down in the car and raped repeatedly and being continually beaten by her five attackers. Then they proceeded to drag her into the paddock along barbed wire fence and where they dumped the brutally beaten Cobby. One of the attackers, John Travers, returned to Cobby where he proceeded to slit her throat, almost decapitating her. She was conscious for 3 minutes later until she bled to death. Cobby was reported missing by her family on 3 February. Her body was found in a farmer's field on 4 February. Cobby's body had extensive bruising on her head, breasts, face, shoulders, groin, thighs and legs.

Following a tip-off from a police informant regarding a stolen vehicle, police started searching for John Travers, Michael Murdoch and Les, Michael, and Gary Murphy after they discovered that some of them had a history of violence and Travers had a reputation for carrying a knife. On 21 February, police found and arrested Travers and Murdoch at Travers' uncle's house and Les Murphy at Travers' house. Murdoch and Murphy were charged with offences relating to stolen cars and released on police bail. Travers, who admitted that he had stolen a car, had also made conflicting statements about the murder. He was detained in police custody.

Janine Balding

The murder of Janine Balding was the killing of a woman in New South Wales, Australia by multiple perpetrators. 20-year-old Janine Balding was raped and murdered by a gang of five youths on 8 September 1988. Balding's murder is often compared to the 1986 murder of Sydney nurse Anita Cobby.

Accused[edit]

Matthew James Elliott, aged 16 at the time of the murder[4]
Bronson Matthew Blessington, aged 14 at the time of the murder
Stephen Wayne 'Shorty' Jamieson, aged 22 at the time of the murder
Wayne Lindsay Wilmot, aged 15 at the time of the murder
Carol Ann Arrow, aged 15 at the time of the murder

In sentencing the defendants, Justice [Newman] said:
To sentence people so young to a long term of imprisonment is of course a heavy task. However, the facts surrounding the commission of these crimes are so barbaric that I believe I have no alternative other than to impose upon [these] young prisoners, even despite their age, a life sentence. So grave is the nature of this case that I recommend that none of the prisoners in the matter should ever be released.[5]

Have a good read, Bog......

I'd call you TURD, but andrei would probably ban me, so I wont......

Grendel wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

Both major parties support Multiculti. Only One Nation has called for it to be abolished as a settlement policy. Most people due to the ever moving goalposts don't even know what it really is.

I know. Some think it involves the legalization of gang rape.

Not that there's anything wrong with it.

Lobo wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 4:36pm:

For bog head's edification.....

We all love and admire poor Cods. True, her memory isn't what it used to be, but that's probably a good thing.

Karnal wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 3:29pm: Zbrzycki's model was a true model of equality and diversity designed to break down the white/anglo cultural dominance, and replace it with a genuinely heterogeneous society. What? What?What?

Something on your mind K?

i'm fairly pragmatic about multi culturalism.
i breed horses and new blood from overseas is always keenly sought.

if i was breeding humans, i would import some stallions and broodmares from china, south korea, singapore, finland, norway, denmark, germany  and maybe the odd kiwi.

unfortunately it seems a lot of skinny, runty ,tick infested , diseased, brain damaged , wormy little stallions have jumped the fence and got in to the herd.
hard as it is to believe, there are rumours that some treachorous people have even left the gate open to let them in. ;) ;)

must want to see the herd weakened to the point where we have to call in the vet and put the whole lot down or sell em for dog food.

Didn't immigration from Africa, especially Sudan, really kick off during the 1996-2007 period?

Maybe, but it didn't "go mad" until the day after Rudd got in.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 4:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 4:18pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 3:29pm: Zbrzycki's model was a true model of equality and diversity designed to break down the white/anglo cultural dominance, and replace it with a genuinely heterogeneous society. What? What?What? Something on your mind K?

Yes.

Pathetic, leftards, just pathetic.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

i'm fairly pragmatic about multi culturalism. i breed horses and new blood from overseas is always keenly sought. if i was breeding humans, i would import some stallions and broodmares from china, south korea, singapore, finland, norway, denmark, germany  and maybe the odd kiwi. unfortunately it seems a lot of skinny, runty ,tick infested , diseased, brain damaged , wormy little stallions have jumped the fence and got in to the herd. hard as it is to believe, there are rumours that some treachorous people have even left the gate open to let them in. ;) ;) must want to see the herd weakened to the point where we have to call in the vet and put the whole lot down or sell em for dog food.

You’ve just won Honky over with that one, dear. You might get Mistie into the stable as well.

Breeding season, is it?

Karnal wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 6:27pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 5:54pm: i'm fairly pragmatic about multi culturalism. i breed horses and new blood from overseas is always keenly sought. if i was breeding humans, i would import some stallions and broodmares from china, south korea, singapore, finland, norway, denmark, germany  and maybe the odd kiwi. unfortunately it seems a lot of skinny, runty ,tick infested , diseased, brain damaged , wormy little stallions have jumped the fence and got in to the herd. hard as it is to believe, there are rumours that some treachorous people have even left the gate open to let them in. ;) ;) must want to see the herd weakened to the point where we have to call in the vet and put the whole lot down or sell em for dog food. You’ve just won Honky over with that one, dear. You might get Mistie into the stable as well. Breeding season, is it?

i'll need to know their service fee and how many mares they can cover

aquascoot wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

i'm fairly pragmatic about multi culturalism. i breed horses and new blood from overseas is always keenly sought. if i was breeding humans, i would import some stallions and broodmares from china, south korea, singapore, finland, norway, denmark, germany  and maybe the odd kiwi. unfortunately it seems a lot of skinny, runty ,tick infested , diseased, brain damaged , wormy little stallions have jumped the fence and got in to the herd. hard as it is to believe, there are rumours that some treachorous people have even left the gate open to let them in. ;) ;) must want to see the herd weakened to the point where we have to call in the vet and put the whole lot down or sell em for dog food.

Breeding doesn't come into it we aren't talking about races we are talking about cultures.
Australia has a culture, in fact it has 2 identifiable cultures the dominant Western Culture and the Indigenous Aboriginal culture, we all recognise both and both fall under the Australian National banner.

Multiculti transposes other national cultures to Australia...  this is a flawed settlement policy that has been shown to be bad for nations and their societies wherever it has been adopted.

Grendel wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 6:42pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 5:54pm: i'm fairly pragmatic about multi culturalism. i breed horses and new blood from overseas is always keenly sought. if i was breeding humans, i would import some stallions and broodmares from china, south korea, singapore, finland, norway, denmark, germany  and maybe the odd kiwi. unfortunately it seems a lot of skinny, runty ,tick infested , diseased, brain damaged , wormy little stallions have jumped the fence and got in to the herd. hard as it is to believe, there are rumours that some treachorous people have even left the gate open to let them in. ;) ;) must want to see the herd weakened to the point where we have to call in the vet and put the whole lot down or sell em for dog food. Breeding doesn't come into it we aren't talking about races we are talking about cultures. Australia has a culture, in fact it has 2 identifiable cultures the dominant Western Culture and the Indigenous Aboriginal culture, we all recognise both and both fall under the Australian National banner. Multiculti transposes other national cultures to Australia...  this is a flawed settlement policy that has been shown to be bad for nations and their societies wherever it has been adopted.

ah. i see. sort of like trying to mix racehorses , trotters and show jumpers . all in the one paddock.  that would lead to some pretty big "peck order" fights ;)

Exactly....

Exactly. And let’s not forget mixing different legal and political systems, separate forms of land title, taxation, infrastructure, civil and criminal law.

No, it’s gone beyond a joke. This multiculturalism nonsense simply has to stop.

Karnal, you don't have to actually prove how clueless you are on the subject by posting rubbish.

Multiculti is a failure in many other countries.  It's not working in Britain, France, The Netherlands, some Nordic countries and Germany.  Robert Putnam ran the longest biggest study on diversity policy, was shocked that his beliefs were proven wrong and that the greater the diversity in a society the greater the disharmony and isolation.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/how-i-lost-faith-in-multiculturalism/story-fn59niix-1226031793805

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8317497/Nicolas-Sarkozy-declares-multiculturalism-had-failed.html

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3970224,00.html

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4384455,00.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1355961/Nicolas-Sarkozy-joins-David-Cameron-Angela-Merkel-view-multiculturalism-failed.html

http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_05_07/Policy-of-multiculturalism-in-Europe-has-failed-expert/

http://www.news.com.au/world/multiculturalism-policies-in-britain-a-failure-says-pm-david-cameron/story-e6frfkyi-1226000767708

http://www.news.com.au/world/multiculturalism-policies-in-britain-a-failure-says-pm-david-cameron/story-e6frfkyi-1226000767708

http://www.torontosun.com/comment/editorial/2011/02/09/17212031.html

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 3:29pm:

Zbrzycki's model was a true model of equality and diversity designed to break down the white/anglo cultural dominance, and replace it with a genuinely heterogeneous society. Fraser and co's model was about consolidating white/anglo cultural hegemony, by empowering the political and economic ethnic elites - who directly benefited from, and therefore supported the white/anglo cultural hegemony. The rank and file ethnic population was left in the lurch, and confined to providing trivial cultural circus acts for the benefit of the dominant class - thereby achieving the dual objective of keeping them in their rightful subordinate place and maintaining the illusion of a genuinely pluralistic society.

I don't know how people believe Zbrzycki's model is supposedly anti-racist. As you've described it, it is very racist. You only have to replace the terms "white/anglo" with another race/ethnicity to see how racist it actually is.

Why it's okay to displace white populations, but deemed racist to displace others is beyond me. This must be some kind of special "progressive" psychology I don't possess or know about.


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And its worked a treat: For not only has this bastardised version of multiculturalism successfully maintained the anglo cultural hegemony, its also given the frothing-at-the-mouth nationalist commentators, politicians and intellectuals just enough ammunition to successfully create a powerful meme of white victimhood and being overrun by inferior cultures.

Anglo culture should be dominant. It settled the country in 1788 and most of the people here are Anglos or are willing to adopt Anglo culture. One wonders why people come here if they don't. Why not stay at home and celebrate your culture there?

It's interesting you mention victimhood. This language and view of the world was invented by "progressives" in the 1960s. It was originally intended for blacks, gays, women (basically all non-white males). Who could now blame whitey for adopting this victimhood? After all, it worked well for non-whites. Whitey might as well take on that view and see if it he can get some special benefits out of it.


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Thus we currently have this bizarre political landscape in Australia where the only two sides of the debate are fighting over the same thing - to maintain white cultural hegemony - both oblivious to the fact that they have both succeeded in destroying the Zbrzycki side of the debate advocating a genuine pluralist model.

Again, what's wrong with white people having a dominant culture in the lands they've settled?

On a side note, did you do a sociology course or some cultural studies course? The language you use is straight out of their trendy handbook: hegemony, equality, diversity, pluralism, empowering.

Ever thought of applying what you learnt to criticism?

I did warn you, G.

Mistie’s recruiting for subjects for his creative and critical thinking experiments.

Interesting you comment even when you have nothing to say Karnal.

Got anything on topic and correct/factual to actually say and add to the debate in some oh I don't know...  Constructive way?   hmmm  ::)

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

Interesting you comment even when you have nothing to say Karnal. Got anything on topic and correct/factual to actually say and add to the debate in some oh I don't know...  Constructive way?   hmmm  ::)

Consider yourself trolled Karnal, sad, he's even a failure at that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgzjEsY49yk
where's the yawn emoticon...  for Conga Boy...  ::)