The man is scum

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/21507974/tony-abbott-rules-out-long-term-subsidies-as-drought-tour-heads-to-broken-hill/

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 6:56pm:

The man is scum http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/21507974/tony-abbott-rules-out-long-term-subsidies-as-drought-tour-heads-to-broken-hill/

Plenty there to start off with, short term assisstance now is what is needed.

Didn't see you as a supporter of "i need free money to stay in business" sort of person.

Nice hysteria by the way, made you sound rully mad.... >:( >:(

::)

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 6:56pm:

The man is scum http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/21507974/tony-abbott-rules-out-long-term-subsidies-as-drought-tour-heads-to-broken-hill/

Don't you like farmers?

well I was about to start a new topic  called

Is That The Stupidest Question ever uttered by Abbott..??

..so..
visiting drought hammered farmers he asked one ..

So, how would you describe your situation..? ?? 


The Fwit had just travelled to get there... is he BLIND..?? :-?

or just horribly out of sync with the real Australia???


As bad as a tv talking head asking the survivor of a family massacre ..  How are you feeling.??

Abbott has abandoned just about everyone.

So sad that his dewy-eyed supporters won't see it.

.....another example of biased ABC reporting

Emma wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:19pm:

well I was about to start a new topic  called Is That The Stupidest Question ever uttered by Abbott..?? ..so.. visiting drought hammered farmers he asked one .. So, how would you describe your situation..? ??  The Fwit had just travelled to get there... is he BLIND..?? :-? or just horribly out of sync with the real Australia??? As bad as a tv talking head asking the survivor of a family massacre ..  How are you feeling.??

It would have been embarrassing to start a thread about someone asking a stupid question, considering the gravity of the situation.

How did they describe it?

Do you think everyone's situations the same?

They were probably happy to tell the sitting PM how their situation was.

::)

Kat wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:21pm:

Abbott has abandoned just about everyone. So sad that his dewy-eyed supporters won't see it.

Not surprised you out here supporting long term welfare and trying to sound soooooo mad.

::)

Emma wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:19pm:

well I was about to start a new topic  called Is That The Stupidest Question ever uttered by Abbott..?? ..so.. visiting drought hammered farmers he asked one .. So, how would you describe your situation..? ??  The Fwit had just travelled to get there... is he BLIND..?? :-? or just horribly out of sync with the real Australia??? As bad as a tv talking head asking the survivor of a family massacre ..  How are you feeling.??

I can see how that question would sound to some, but I'm still glad Abbott was concerned and interested enough to find out about the individuals circumstances rather than not talk at all to these people, as I'm sure everyone's story is not identical although much would have a common theme.

Swagman wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

.....another example of biased ABC reporting

Another example of your ingrained bias and inability to comprehend
any alternative viewpoint to your own, more like.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Emma wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 7:19pm: well I was about to start a new topic  called Is That The Stupidest Question ever uttered by Abbott..?? ..so.. visiting drought hammered farmers he asked one .. So, how would you describe your situation..? ??  The Fwit had just travelled to get there... is he BLIND..?? :-? or just horribly out of sync with the real Australia??? As bad as a tv talking head asking the survivor of a family massacre ..  How are you feeling.?? I can see how that question would sound to some, but I'm still glad Abbott was concerned and interested enough to find out about the individuals circumstances rather than not talk at all to these people, as I'm sure everyone's story is not identical although much would have a common theme.

ah we have shitlips again... boy ?  .. you don't expect much from your PM ..do you.?

You are GLAD he went there..??  good grief  ::)
Given his record to date.. to ignore the whole thing  would be political suicide...   and I assure you... he only cares about his own agenda.. 

oh why are you so blind? :D

nope , even as a farmer i dont support too much in the way of drought relief.

it just encourages overstocking.


the bloke before me had 600 head on my block and ate it out so badly , soil erosion , lantana, fireweed.  i dont think farmers who overstock should be rewarded and i dont think they care about their land.

my boys got plenty water

glad to hear it AQScoot  :)

I absolutely agree with your view on the actions of those farmers who choose to over-stock their land.

Things are never simple are they?

I feel the same about live cattle and sheep exporters..

  they bleat ..
their animals die..
cos its too dry..

er um  sorry about that 

The simian had to be dragged out to where farmers/graziers were suffering from drought by Barnyard.

Any discussion of AGW causing longer/more severe droughts? Nah, not with the missing link!

Something offensive in a creep who has been carried by the taxpayer his whole parliamentary career, every pollie pedal, every ironman this monkey has applied for Travel Allowance of $300–350/night even tho ironmen and pollie pedals are not Parliamentary duties talking about not carrying farmers/industries.

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 8:17pm:

The simian had to be dragged out to where farmers/graziers were suffering from drought by Barnyard. Any discussion of AGW causing longer/more severe droughts? Nah, not with the missing link! Something offensive in a creep who has been carried by the taxpayer his whole parliamentary career, every pollie pedal, every ironman this monkey has applied for Travel Allowance of $300–350/night even tho ironmen and pollie pedals are not Parliamentary duties talking about not carrying farmers/industries.

I know what I'd LIKE to see him dragged out to...

It involves a wall, a blindfold, and a free cigarette (paid for by 'the taxpayer' of course).

Kat wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 8:30pm:

I know what I'd LIKE to see him dragged out to... It involves a wall, a blindfold, and a free cigarette (paid for by 'the taxpayer' of course).

That's the way, come the revolution first up against the wall eh?

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Stalin would be proud of you. 

Datalife wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:32pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 8:30pm: I know what I'd LIKE to see him dragged out to... It involves a wall, a blindfold, and a free cigarette (paid for by 'the taxpayer' of course). That's the way, come the revolution first up against the wall eh? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Stalin would be proud of you.

Actually no.

He'd have been there too, preferably.

I dislike Communism as much as I dislike Fascism.

So there goes THAT misconception...

Get a new horse (and maybe a functional brain, while you're at it).

Kat wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:34pm:

So there goes THAT misconception... Get a new horse.

Doofus I was not talking so much about the political philosophy as your own solution to political opposition,  political power from the end of a gun eh?

Shooting oppositions is a tried and proven luvvie technique and you are an advocate of it.

Me, I prefer the poll process and the loser gracefully conceding, the winner saying some nice words and an orderly and peaceful transition to power.

That's why the world is beating down our doors to get here, but you prefer the cigarette and up against the wall.

Speaks volumes.   8-)

FriYAY wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 6:56pm: The man is scum http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/21507974/tony-abbott-rules-out-long-term-subsidies-as-drought-tour-heads-to-broken-hill/ Plenty there to start off with, short term assisstance now is what is needed. Didn't see you as a supporter of "i need free money to stay in business" sort of person. Nice hysteria by the way, made you sound rully mad.... >:( >:( ::)

What will cost more? Subsidising farms or the death of farming in Australia?

by the way, I wasn't trying to sound rully mad :D :D

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 6:56pm: The man is scum http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/21507974/tony-abbott-rules-out-long-term-subsidies-as-drought-tour-heads-to-broken-hill/ Don't you like farmers?

????

Datalife wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:41pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 9:34pm: So there goes THAT misconception... Get a new horse. Nahhh I like this one, political power from the end of a gun eh? Shooting oppositions is a tried and proven luvvie technique and you are an advocate of it. Me, I prefer the poll process and the loser gracefully conceding, the winner saying some nice words and an orderly and peaceful transition to power. That's why the world is beating down our doors to get here, but you prefer the cigarette and up against the wall. Speaks volumes.   8-)

Hey Dataless... how come you keep trying to take this off-track..?

Love Abbott do you?
Another clueless kid who believes whatever they are told...   ::) ;D

The brother has been seen and heard saying the most archaic things... did you hear that the Head of the IMF  indicated ..that .. it would be a big mistake for Abbott to put climate change on the backburner, and take Australia from being among the pioneers.. back to a nation in some moronic denial..

I'd have to agree, seeing as the carbon tax  ( oooh  evil!!)  has reaped $8 BILLION dollars this fin yr..for US .. you know  you and me.. tax WE don't have to pay......
  in a time of much spruiked decrease in mining..!!
NO ..it is so wrong.. so digressive..
He wants to abolish it...  and make the poor pay ..
to achieve a totally unnecessary national CREDIT..???
What country in the world would savage its citizens for profit on this basis  ..??
Australia... 
and sadly the people were sold a whole pile of  HOCKEY-poo.

A joke .. the man is.. a BAD  JOKE.. 

Emma wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 10:10pm:

did you hear that the Head of the IMF  indicated ..that .. it would be a big mistake for Abbott to put climate change on the backburner, and take Australia from being among the pioneers.. back to a nation in some moronic denial..

she'll be on Q & A on Thursday night... it will make for some interesting viewing

Emma wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 10:10pm:

A joke .. the man is.. a BAD  JOKE..

Off track you say?  hehehe  I was actually responding to Kats post, putting Abbott up against a wall and shooting him.  It follows up peccerheads assertion that all coalition voters should die a slow and painful death.

Luvvies are making clowns of themselves with their hatred. 

Talk about the darkside...

It would be amusing but I reckon some of you characters are actually serious. 

The issue of whether farmers should or should not, get support from the Australian Tax Payer, basically comes back to whether their situation is a temporary problem or is it more permanent!

If the issues were temporary and a temporary Tax Payer assistance would assist to rectify those short term issues & turn things around again, then we should agree to that short term help.

However, if the issues are long term & Tax Payer assistance would simply be throwing good money at a permanently bad situation, then I would suggest the answer should be no!

In looking at this particular set of circumstances, we will need to review the areas involved and get feedback from the Climate Change experts, to assess which areas may now be heading for a permanent climate change.

As is often commented, Australia is a place that is recognized as being subject to Droughts, Floods & more, But it is apparent that those situations are becoming more serious & lasting longer.

A quick look around the world will confirm that, with the UK suffering the worst storms & floods in centuries, whilst California is suffering the worst drought in centuries & little  Perth in WA is also suffering a long 40 year slide in rainfall and water is quickly becoming a problem.

The thing is, if certain areas that are identified as likely to become long term Climate Change Drought areas, then I'm afraid they will have to be cut from the Public Teat, as we would only be throwing good money, after bad.

Now let me understand this. Holden, Toyota and SPC say they're going to shut down and sack thousands of workers who as a consequence are looking at the very real possibility of losing their homes, financial ruin and a lifetime of denying their children. And instead of visiting the workers losing their jobs Abbott took the opportunity to attack them and generally talk down worker's pay and conditions for the benefit of who? Toyota, who recently forecast a $24 billion profit for this financial year.  But when the socialist hating AGW denying farmers are begging, YET AGAIN, for another socialist handout to counteract the effects of global warming and overstocking we all jump right on queue like brainwashed North Korean automatons worrying whether Abbott's tour of the drought affected farms and the farmers is sufficiently caring.  And then what happens. First Abbott insists that he won't give the farmers any more handouts or subsidies and then announces a handout package for the farmers under another name that he calls "a drought-assistance package".

Look, I'm not against helping these people but the double standards that Abbott is applying for his coalition supporters is absolutely palpable.  And like trusting sheep when the govt says it's not giving handouts and then under our very eyes goes ahead and gives handouts we accept that the govt is not giving handouts. Are we really that docile now.   

Here's some quotes from the article

"The Government has refused to provide any public breakdown on the size or cost of the package, but confirmed loan support and income support will form part of it".

So a former Holden worker whose going to lose his home, he wont be getting loan support. And what is income support? Is it the same as the dole or more then the dole or in addition to the dole?

"The Government has got to be prepared to step in and assist. That is what we will be finalising in the next few days," he said.

I dont recall him saying that when it was worker livelihoods on the line. Quite the opposite. 

"Mr Joyce said he would not go into details about possible assistance. "There's a very short-term problem and then there's a slightly longer-term problem," Mr Joyce said.

"There's the immediate income needs that people have got to live, and then there's the reconstruction after the drought for people who have been very badly damaged.

"The package that we announce will deal with both of these issues."

Well, clearly, for someone whose constituents are not getting a handout Mr Joyce is a very happy man

"Mr Abbott says disaster relief payments are set to start on March 1. Mr Abbott says he will announce a drought-assistance package in the next week".

Well that was quick. No wringing of hands on this one.  They came straight to the party. And I love this next quote from BJ. This is a man who (for good reason it seems) is supremely confident that he can tell us that black is white and white is black and that we will believe him

"They don't want handouts, they don't want welfare, they want to be able to get on with the job, they don't want government to run their businesses."

Sorry???? It's handouts and its welfare.What else is it???? And of course the workers at Holden, SPC and Toyota etc, well they just wanted handouts and welfare, and they diodnt want to be able to get on with the job.
I'll shed a tear for farmers when the govts of this country start treating workers fairly and with the same amount of respect and regard that they do the other sectors of the economy. 

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 6:56pm:

The man is scum http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/21507974/tony-abbott-rules-out-long-term-subsidies-as-drought-tour-heads-to-broken-hill/

No,  isn't. You're just clearly biased. Abbott is 100% right to not offer long-term assistance. People can become too reliant on it and not prepare themselves for tough times only to be disappointed when they get less than expected assistance. By all means, help them in the short term so they don't have to sell up and move out, but once they're back on their feet, further assistance is just a waste of taxpayer funds.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 11:10pm:

Now let me understand this. Holden, Toyota and SPC say they're going to shut down and sack thousands of workers who as a consequence are looking at the very real possibility of losing their homes, financial ruin and a lifetime of denying their children. And instead of visiting the workers losing their jobs Abbott took the opportunity to attack them and generally talk down worker's pay and conditions for the benefit of who? Toyota, who recently forecast a $24 billion profit for this financial year.  But when the socialist hating AGW denying farmers are begging, YET AGAIN, for another socialist handout to counteract the effects of global warming and overstocking we all jump right on queue like brainwashed North Korean automatons worrying whether Abbott's tour of the drought affected farms and the farmers is sufficiently caring.  And then what happens. First Abbott insists that he won't give the farmers any more handouts or subsidies and then announces a handout package for the farmers under another name that he calls "a drought-assistance package". Look, I'm not against helping these people but the double standards that Abbott is applying for his coalition supporters is absolutely palpable.  And like trusting sheep when the govt says it's not giving handouts and then under our very eyes goes ahead and gives handouts we accept that the govt is not giving handouts. Are we really that docile now.    Here's some quotes from the article "The Government has refused to provide any public breakdown on the size or cost of the package, but confirmed loan support and income support will form part of it". So a former Holden worker whose going to lose his home, he wont be getting loan support. And what is income support? Is it the same as the dole or more then the dole or in addition to the dole? "The Government has got to be prepared to step in and assist. That is what we will be finalising in the next few days," he said. I dont recall him saying that when it was worker livelihoods on the line. Quite the opposite.  "Mr Joyce said he would not go into details about possible assistance. "There's a very short-term problem and then there's a slightly longer-term problem," Mr Joyce said. "There's the immediate income needs that people have got to live, and then there's the reconstruction after the drought for people who have been very badly damaged. "The package that we announce will deal with both of these issues." Well, clearly, for someone whose constituents are not getting a handout Mr Joyce is a very happy man "Mr Abbott says disaster relief payments are set to start on March 1. Mr Abbott says he will announce a drought-assistance package in the next week". Well that was quick. No wringing of hands on this one.  They came straight to the party. And I love this next quote from BJ. This is a man who (for good reason it seems) is supremely confident that he can tell us that black is white and white is black and that we will believe him "They don't want handouts, they don't want welfare, they want to be able to get on with the job, they don't want government to run their businesses." Sorry???? It's handouts and its welfare.What else is it???? And of course the workers at Holden, SPC and Toyota etc, well they just wanted handouts and welfare, and they diodnt want to be able to get on with the job. I'll shed a tear for farmers when the govts of this country start treating workers fairly and with the same amount of respect and regard that they do the other sectors of the economy.

There is a world of difference between the situations faced by farmers and car manufacturing workers. First of all, farmers are essential to the economy - they feed us, dress us, etc. Without an agricultural sector that is strong, we'd be importing just about everything. As for car manufacturing, we can get by without a new car in most circumstances (our current car will suffice) and car manufacturing isn't essential to the wellbeing and prosperity of this country. Farmers don't need handouts - they're receiving interest free and low interest loans that will be paid back, so it's not a case of throwing good money after bad. But I expect you to pathetically deny and/or ignore all of what I just said simply because you don't like Abbott or Hockey or Joyce.

Datalife wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:41pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 9:34pm: So there goes THAT misconception... Get a new horse. Doofus I was not talking so much about the political philosophy as your own solution to political opposition,  political power from the end of a gun eh? Shooting oppositions is a tried and proven luvvie technique and you are an advocate of it. Me, I prefer the poll process and the loser gracefully conceding, the winner saying some nice words and an orderly and peaceful transition to power. That's why the world is beating down our doors to get here, but you prefer the cigarette and up against the wall. Speaks volumes.   8-)

Yes. It speaks volumes about how bad this 'government' actually is, as I seem
to be hearing similar comments quite frequently these days.

Datalife wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 10:21pm:

Emma wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:10pm: A joke .. the man is.. a BAD  JOKE..  Off track you say?  hehehe  I was actually responding to Kats post, putting Abbott up against a wall and shooting him.  It follows up peccerheads assertion that all coalition voters should die a slow and painful death. Luvvies are making clowns of themselves with their hatred.  Talk about the darkside... It would be amusing but I reckon some of you characters are actually serious.

Don't blame us, we didn't vote for them.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 4:22am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 6:56pm: The man is scum http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/21507974/tony-abbott-rules-out-long-term-subsidies-as-drought-tour-heads-to-broken-hill/ No,  isn't. You're just clearly biased. Abbott is 100% right to not offer long-term assistance. People can become too reliant on it and not prepare themselves for tough times only to be disappointed when they get less than expected assistance. By all means, help them in the short term so they don't have to sell up and move out, but once they're back on their feet, further assistance is just a waste of taxpayer funds.

And you're not biased?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Abbott shouldn't rule anything out ... if the farmers are still in drought in 2 yrs time is he just going to let them all go belly up?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 4:36am:

There is a world of difference between the situations faced by farmers and car manufacturing workers. First of all, farmers are essential to the economy - they feed us, dress us, etc. Without an agricultural sector that is strong, we'd be importing just about everything. As for car manufacturing, we can get by without a new car in most circumstances (our current car will suffice) and car manufacturing isn't essential to the wellbeing and prosperity of this country. Farmers don't need handouts - they're receiving interest free and low interest loans that will be paid back, so it's not a case of throwing good money after bad. But I expect you to pathetically deny and/or ignore all of what I just said simply because you don't like Abbott or Hockey or Joyce.

I said Brainwashed North Korean Automaton and right on queue Armpit sticks his hand up.  And despite what he sees before his very eyes Armpit repeats the mantra he's been taught to recite since childhood.  "farmers are essential to the economy - they feed us, dress us, etc. Without [them] ... we'd be importing just about everything" You poor fool.  Farmers don't feed us and dress us. They feed and dress the highest bidder from what ever country that will pay their price.  If this were a socialist society then what you're saying would be true but its not. Farmers compete in a private enterprise market and if they can get $1 a kilo for their lamb from Aust buyers but $2 a kilo from Russian buyers they will take the $2 and couldn't give a damn that you're Australian or that your tax $$$ gave them a lifeline when their farms were on the brink of collapse.  And we do already import just about everything from overseas.  And guess what, because farmers from other countries would rather sell their produce to us for the higher prices we pay then to their own countrymen who supported them with handouts and subsidies when they needed it.  Don't you get it? Farmers use the socialist "we" when it suites them. 

So lets say we go ahead anyway and support these farmers with handouts and what happens, tomorrow they sell their farms (that we paid to spruce up for them) to some Chinese conglomerate and despite what any other poor fool can see right under his nose you will still continue reciting your mantra; "But farmers give us food security", "We got to help them cause farmers are good for the country". WAKE UP!!! Someone took your brain. You got to go get it back and do some thinking for yourself. And do it quick cause the rest of us can't afford to carry you much longer.  The society you knew is falling apart and yet you keep voting in this deceitful system for the same old tricksters and liars. Quick!!! take the red pill before its too late.      

too late..??

it's already too late.

Climate change is happening, whatever Abbott says about scientists not being trust-worthy.. or about the evils of the carbon tax...
because ..
'the truth is out there'

:(

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 9:56am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:36am: There is a world of difference between the situations faced by farmers and car manufacturing workers. First of all, farmers are essential to the economy - they feed us, dress us, etc. Without an agricultural sector that is strong, we'd be importing just about everything. As for car manufacturing, we can get by without a new car in most circumstances (our current car will suffice) and car manufacturing isn't essential to the wellbeing and prosperity of this country. Farmers don't need handouts - they're receiving interest free and low interest loans that will be paid back, so it's not a case of throwing good money after bad. But I expect you to pathetically deny and/or ignore all of what I just said simply because you don't like Abbott or Hockey or Joyce. I said Brainwashed North Korean Automaton and right on queue Armpit sticks his hand up.  And despite what he sees before his very eyes Armpit repeats the mantra he's been taught to recite since childhood.  "farmers are essential to the economy - they feed us, dress us, etc. Without [them] ... we'd be importing just about everything" You poor fool.  Farmers don't feed us and dress us. They feed and dress the highest bidder from what ever country that will pay their price.  If this were a socialist society then what you're saying would be true but its not. Farmers compete in a private enterprise market and if they can get $1 a kilo for their lamb from Aust buyers but $2 a kilo from Russian buyers they will take the $2 and couldn't give a damn that you're Australian or that your tax $$$ gave them a lifeline when their farms were on the brink of collapse.  And we do already import just about everything from overseas.  And guess what, because farmers from other countries would rather sell their produce to us for the higher prices we pay then to their own countrymen who supported them with handouts and subsidies when they needed it.  Don't you get it? Farmers use the socialist "we" when it suites them.  So lets say we go ahead anyway and support these farmers with handouts and what happens, tomorrow they sell their farms (that we paid to spruce up for them) to some Chinese conglomerate and despite what any other poor fool can see right under his nose you will still continue reciting your mantra; "But farmers give us food security", "We got to help them cause farmers are good for the country". WAKE UP!!! Someone took your brain. You got to go get it back and do some thinking for yourself. And do it quick cause the rest of us can't afford to carry you much longer.  The society you knew is falling apart and yet you keep voting in this deceitful system for the same old tricksters and liars. Quick!!! take the red pill before its too late.

I post my opinion and you automatically let fly with the insults, saying I'm a mindless automaton. That's just sad and rather pathetic.

John Smith wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 9:26am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:22am: John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 6:56pm: The man is scum http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/21507974/tony-abbott-rules-out-long-term-subsidies-as-drought-tour-heads-to-broken-hill/ No,  isn't. You're just clearly biased. Abbott is 100% right to not offer long-term assistance. People can become too reliant on it and not prepare themselves for tough times only to be disappointed when they get less than expected assistance. By all means, help them in the short term so they don't have to sell up and move out, but once they're back on their feet, further assistance is just a waste of taxpayer funds. And you're not biased?  ;D ;D ;D ;D Abbott shouldn't rule anything out ... if the farmers are still in drought in 2 yrs time is he just going to let them all go belly up?

You didn't even read the article did you, just the title? He never said he would not help out over a longer term, he only said he wouldn't be providing subsidies, which are a long-term proposition. He's right too, because no country has ever subsidised its way out of its problems because it only serves to isolate that country and damage its industry. He said he wants to help them get back on their feet and get to a point where they can rebuild and get to a point where they no longer need that assistance.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 5:24am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:56am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:36am: There is a world of difference between the situations faced by farmers and car manufacturing workers. First of all, farmers are essential to the economy - they feed us, dress us, etc. Without an agricultural sector that is strong, we'd be importing just about everything. As for car manufacturing, we can get by without a new car in most circumstances (our current car will suffice) and car manufacturing isn't essential to the wellbeing and prosperity of this country. Farmers don't need handouts - they're receiving interest free and low interest loans that will be paid back, so it's not a case of throwing good money after bad. But I expect you to pathetically deny and/or ignore all of what I just said simply because you don't like Abbott or Hockey or Joyce. I said Brainwashed North Korean Automaton and right on queue Armpit sticks his hand up.  And despite what he sees before his very eyes Armpit repeats the mantra he's been taught to recite since childhood.  "farmers are essential to the economy - they feed us, dress us, etc. Without [them] ... we'd be importing just about everything" You poor fool.  Farmers don't feed us and dress us. They feed and dress the highest bidder from what ever country that will pay their price.  If this were a socialist society then what you're saying would be true but its not. Farmers compete in a private enterprise market and if they can get $1 a kilo for their lamb from Aust buyers but $2 a kilo from Russian buyers they will take the $2 and couldn't give a damn that you're Australian or that your tax $$$ gave them a lifeline when their farms were on the brink of collapse.  And we do already import just about everything from overseas.  And guess what, because farmers from other countries would rather sell their produce to us for the higher prices we pay then to their own countrymen who supported them with handouts and subsidies when they needed it.  Don't you get it? Farmers use the socialist "we" when it suites them.  So lets say we go ahead anyway and support these farmers with handouts and what happens, tomorrow they sell their farms (that we paid to spruce up for them) to some Chinese conglomerate and despite what any other poor fool can see right under his nose you will still continue reciting your mantra; "But farmers give us food security", "We got to help them cause farmers are good for the country". WAKE UP!!! Someone took your brain. You got to go get it back and do some thinking for yourself. And do it quick cause the rest of us can't afford to carry you much longer.  The society you knew is falling apart and yet you keep voting in this deceitful system for the same old tricksters and liars. Quick!!! take the red pill before its too late.       I post my opinion and you automatically let fly with the insults, saying I'm a mindless automaton. That's just sad and rather pathetic.

Cop out mate! There is a lot in that post you need to answer because your dutiful acceptance of everything the elite says without question is doing a lot of damage to this county and your fellow Australians.  You need to start thinking for yourself and you need to do it quickly, because at the moment your lack of critical thinking is like a ball and chain around everyone neck.   

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 5:29am:

He never said he would not help out over a longer term, he only said he wouldn't be providing subsidies, which are a long-term proposition

so he's going to carry water to them in a bucket then?  :D :D :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:18pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 5:29am: He never said he would not help out over a longer term, he only said he wouldn't be providing subsidies, which are a long-term proposition so he's going to carry water to them in a bucket then?  :D :D :D :D :D

Most amusing!  You should try out for The Comedy Team.  ;D

Seriously, ALL we have left are those on The Land for exports of anything "made in Australia".  Everything else we have tried has gone toes up due to Union Dues and over payment for menial tasks and weekend work.  ;)

Folk who want to, say, drive trucks for a living can do so, 40 hours a week at $25/hour.  It IS the loading and serious "double pay" that increases anything that is trucked via a truck.  The driver is still only worth $25 an hour but, suddenly, he thinks he is Upper Class as he is earning $130,000 a year due to all the "overtime", that adds to all the stuff he delivers.

Make truckers only able to work a 40 hour a week and people like Warrigal would get a job "driving a truck" no problem.  ;) Except, that he is "trained" to be a carer or something.  He'd hate driving a truck ... it would mean he had to get up early.  ;D

Neferti wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:35pm:

Most amusing!  You should try out for The Comedy Team

I would never join the libs no matter how much you offered

Neferti wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:35pm:

Seriously, ALL we have left are those on The Land for exports of anything "made in Australia".  Everything else we have tried has gone toes up due to Union Dues and over payment for menial tasks and weekend work.

how do union dues affect prices? the producer doesn't pay them, the employee does   :D :D


Neferti wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:35pm:

Folk who want to, say, drive trucks for a living can do so, 40 hours a week at $25/hour.  It IS the loading and serious "double pay" that increases anything that is trucked via a truck.  The driver is still only worth $25 an hour but, suddenly, he thinks he is Upper Class as he is earning $130,000 a year due to all the "overtime", that adds to all the stuff he delivers.

maybe he just wants to be paid for the real time it takes to do the job? You think if he spends 8 hrs driving and another 3 hrs loading and unloading he should only be paid for the 8?


Neferti wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:35pm:

Make truckers only able to work a 40 hour a week and people like Warrigal would get a job "driving a truck" no problem

you could shoot every driver in the country except for Warrigal, and he still wouldn't be able to get a job.

Neferti wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:35pm:

[quote author=John_Smith link=1392627395/35#35 date=1392866338][quote author=ArmchairPolitician link=1392627395/33#33 date=1392838189] Seriously, ALL we have left are those on The Land for exports of anything "made in Australia".  Everything else we have tried has gone toes up due to Union Dues and over payment for menial tasks and weekend work.  ;) Folk who want to, say, drive trucks for a living can do so, 40 hours a week at $25/hour.  It IS the loading and serious "double pay" that increases anything that is trucked via a truck.  The driver is still only worth $25 an hour but, suddenly, he thinks he is Upper Class as he is earning $130,000 a year due to all the "overtime", that adds to all the stuff he delivers. Make truckers only able to work a 40 hour a week

Jeez Nef  ? that is naft..

you would need the multi-nats and  the conglom's and the current Lib/Nat Govt to agree.. ::)  to have that happen..!!

Because..??  all of them only think in terms of profit.  NOT the greater good.. :o
FFS.. nor the common weal  !!??

More and more we have a divided society..  the richer and the poorer..  heading full tilt towards  ...??
might I suggest   CHAOS.

Manaus Island  ... the true epitome of what we have become as a society ....   :( :(

And the continued bs coming from our wondrous elected government  ???

..... a total insult to all intelligent people.