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Title: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Feb 18th, 2014 at 12:08am Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history :P Could you answer some basic questions about the country of Palestine ? : 1. When was it founded and by whom? 2. What language did the Palestinians speak? 3. What writing [script] did they use? 4. What manuscripts did they leave? 5. What was their religion? 6. Where are their temples? 7. What monuments attest to their existence? 8. What were its borders? 9. What was the name of its capital? 10. What were its major cities? 11. What constituted the basis of its economy? 12. What was the name of the currency that they used? 13. What was its form of government? 14. What achievements have they accomplished? 15. What other peoples did Palestine interact with? 16. Where can one find any [historic] records, wherein the country of Palestine and its people are mentioned? 17. What archaeological sites can one name? 18. Where can one find the recorded history of these people? 19. Whom did they conquer?, or, were conquered by? 20. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation [or doubt]? 21. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine? 22. Can anyone name at least five Palestinian leaders before Arafat? 23. Finally, since there is no such recognised country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur? Further, why did these proud 'Palestinians' between 1948 and 1967, passively, allow themselves to be occupied by the Jordanians in the 'West Bank', and by the Egyptians in Gaza? Those Q's [above] are taken from; Part 142 - Palestine and Palestinians http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04iGfi9No6M TRUTH Part 072 - Promised Land in the Quran http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JTl4Yx1VmE Part 146A - Two States - Israel and Palestine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UXhKv3mmkc Part 146B - Two States - Israel and Palestine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XvyJrczJ-4 Part 146C - Two States - Israel and Palestine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sYmb6Qml2Y HIGHLY RECOMMENDED; [Yadda] Here are a full listing of YOUTUBE audio files, which challenge ISLAM, Mohammed's prophet-hood, and the virtue of Allah/moslems; http://www.al-rassooli.com/blog/ |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Feb 18th, 2014 at 12:29am MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1392025259/57#57 Quote:
But those nations wont do that. Because a solution to the 'Palestinian refugee problem' which leaves the state of Israel in place, is not acceptable to any ISLAMIST - which all moslems are. [/quote] |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Pete Waldo on Feb 18th, 2014 at 12:46am
As mentioned in another thread, there is only one name given to that land by God, as also confirmed in the New Testament. Thus it is the only name that is appropriate for Christians to use.
Matthew 2:20 Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life. 21 And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel. Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. The term "Palestine" was an invention of 2nd century Roman Emperor Hadrian, in efforts to insult Jews he had vanquished, and erase the name Israel from the map. http://www.levitt.com/newsletters/1997-12.html#SPECIAL The Philistines, immigrant Boat People who had inhabited a narrow strip of the coastline of Canaan, vanished thousands of years ago. The term "Palestine" serves as a smokescreen - from straight out of the pit of hell and the lips of a Roman pagan who built a temple to the goddess Venus and one on the temple mount dedicated to Jupiter - to mask the identities of the parties in conflict. The actual parties in conflict is made apparent by a poll of non-Muslim Arabs: Wikipedia article: "In contrast, a poll of 507 Arab-Israelis conducted by the Israeli Democracy Institute in 2007 found that 75 percent profess support for Israel's status as a Jewish and democratic state which guarantees equal rights for minorities. Israeli Arab support for a constitution in general was 88 percent.[31]" http://www.zionismchristian.com/palestine_palestinians.htm#israeli_non_muslim_arabs But then should anybody be surprised that non-Muslims would not desire to live in just another sharia law ruled, multiple concubine and wife beating, child doing, first-cousin marrying, Christian and Jew murdering, Islamic slave state? http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islamic_slavery_dhimmitude.htm The mainstream media would have us believe it is the "Palestinians" VS Jews, when in fact the two sides in conflict are: Israeli Muslims desiring to create just another Islamic slave state VS The democracy of the: Faithful Israeli Jews Secular Israeli Jews Israeli Christians Israeli secular Arabs The conflict is between the freedom, liberty and right to self-determination of the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State, VS the totalitarian aggression, oppression, slavery and dhimmitude of an Islamic slave state. Freedom, liberty and the right to self-determination of course being the very antitheses of Islam. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by wally1 on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:37am
I want you Christians to go walk in Israeli jewish areas wearing a cross around your chest and see what they do to you.
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:45am wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:37am:
wally1, The difference between you, and, myself; I would NOT provoke Orthodox Jews, in their own homeland, in that way. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by wally1 on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:54am Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:45am:
You walking around jewish areas is provocative yadda. Numerous youtube clips I have seen of jews threatening to kill non jews, telling jesus to f off, cursing jesus is abundant. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Feb 18th, 2014 at 11:00am wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:54am:
wally1, Orthodox Jews, in Israel, would not harm me. My presence has a calming effect on people wally1. ::) |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Feb 18th, 2014 at 11:17am Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 11:00am:
wally1, I have a rudimentary knowledge of Torah. I would show an Orthodox Jew that in their law, in Torah, it would be unlawful, and it would be an act of disobedience to God, for an Orthodox Jewish person to harm me. And then, i would submit myself to either their affection, or, harm. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Stratos on Feb 18th, 2014 at 12:59pm Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 11:17am:
So were they breaking the law by committing genocide and killing babies or no? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Feb 18th, 2014 at 1:59pm Stratos wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
Jeremiah 18:1 The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, 2 Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words. 3 Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels. 4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it. 5 Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel. 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. Stratos, We are the clay [the earthen] vessels, made by God. If [for a worthy reason] God chooses to destroy the clay vessels which he made, is God unjust ? Stratos, If there is a God, and if we are his creation, do you, or any other man, have the authority or right, to judge God's actions ? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by wally1 on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:09pm Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 11:17am:
You rave on about muslims killing jews and Christians, have you ever been to a muslim, confronted him to do what the verses tell him to do? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:27pm wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:09pm:
I have eaten in the home of a moslem. I have found moslems i have met, to be initially very, very courteous. I have found moslems to very courteous, up to a point. Up to the point of his cultures shame [shameful conduct]. THE RELIGION OF PEACE http://thereligionofpeace.com/ Google; islam, west, shame v guilt |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by wally1 on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:29pm Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:27pm:
And he didn't kill you? What a disobedient muslim. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:37pm wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:29pm:
Is that an expression of, ....disappointment ? :) |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:43pm Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:27pm:
So you needed to Google islam, west, shame v guilt to find your initially very, very courteous hosts shameful. Excellent research, Y. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by wally1 on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:21pm Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:43pm:
Muslims are nice to yadda by providing him a nice meal but there shameful. What does he want from them, a happy ending? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:54pm wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:21pm:
Maybe they tried to blow him up. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by moses on Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:06pm
avoiding shame goes back to muhammad
allah's apostle was asleep under a palm tree when a slave saw him and stole his expensive cloak. In the morning muhammad was angry and his companions hunted down the thief and brought him to trial. When asked for an explanation, the slave said, "Yes, I did steal this cloak. I saw a man asleep under a tree, so I had sexual relations with him while he slept and then I took the cloak." muhammad immediately replied "That is not my cloak," and the thief went free. (the life and times of muhammad-by Ethopianjew) |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by wally1 on Feb 18th, 2014 at 5:03pm moses wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:06pm:
Typical Jew. Stealing and raping people. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by wally1 on Feb 18th, 2014 at 5:04pm Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:54pm:
Or there was nothing to blow? Poor yadda. No wonder he is always angry. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Feb 18th, 2014 at 5:46pm Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:43pm:
Dealing with, interacting with moslem culture.... Dealing with angry, shamed moslems, it is the nature of the beast, K. Moslem culture teaches the individual to deny wrongdoing, as means of avoidance of shame, for wrongdoing. Where wrongdoing does take place, denial, is the common, cultural, response among moslems. By way of further explanation; not in the main JW article [below], but a posting as a comment, by, A_Nonny_Mouse | July 26, 2007 8:07 PM .... Quote:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/07/former-sydney-imam-who-produced-dvds-calling-for-jihad-martyrdom-calling-jews-pigs-phones-home-for-s.html#comment-378269 Google; the difference between shame, and guilt based culture, islam Quote:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina70723.htm |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Feb 18th, 2014 at 5:54pm wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 5:04pm:
Poor wally1, Poor Karnal, Always shamed [by the character and nature of ISLAM, and by the reprehensible behaviour of many moslems], always in denial, no wonder they are always angry. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by freediver on Feb 19th, 2014 at 9:27pm moses wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:06pm:
Too funny. Is that online anywhere? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Stratos on Feb 19th, 2014 at 9:30pm
i dunno. Google it?
Surprised you would even care given your love for completely unsubstantiated claims presented as facts eh? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by freediver on Feb 19th, 2014 at 9:33pm
I tried googling it. I can find the first half (verse 4380) on a few sites. But none of them have verse 4381, for some reason.
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Feb 19th, 2014 at 9:38pm freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 9:33pm:
Better whack it in the Wiki, FD. Exhibit 4381. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by wally1 on Feb 19th, 2014 at 9:38pm freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 9:27pm:
I did google it and couldn't find it. Moses do you have reference to it? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by moses on Feb 21st, 2014 at 4:02pm
Remember laughter kills the heart (muhammad said so) therefore it is not a joke no? It appears that Ethiopianjew's works were very humourous, so to save killing all the muslims hearts (with laughter), there has been a global sanction on his records. (for health reasons) I think
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by gandalf on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 11:10pm Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 9:38pm:
It certainly meets the stringent evidential criteria of the wiki - namely some schmuck on ozpolitic posted it - and its found nowhere else in the world. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 11:17pm polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 11:10pm:
That is a little harsh, g. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by wally1 on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 8:07am
Still don't have any evidence that Moses story happened.
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by gandalf on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 8:46am
well to be fair to moses, I don't think he posted it for its authenticity.
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by freediver on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:05am polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 11:10pm:
Gandalf everything on the wiki is open for discussion. Remember, last time you tried, it turned out that you were wrong. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by gandalf on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:09am freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:05am:
Ah yes - I remember - Islam permits rape because some nobody calling himself falah allegedly said so. How silly of me to question that. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by freediver on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:14am
Muhammed had sex with his sex slaves. That why they call them sex slaves.
What is the proper Islamic punishment for raping your sex slave or spouse? Just for authenticity, please give and example of Muhammed or one of his early followers meting out such a punishment. If that is a bit difficult, given that rape was a way of life for Muhammed and his followers, you could try giving an example of Muhammed punishing someone for beating their wife or sex slave, or "going to far" with such a beating. We know from Islamic sources that Muhammed had plenty of opportunity to punish such behaviour, so that one should be a bit easier for you. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:44am polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:09am:
FD said... Quote:
FD, We all understand, that rape, is a criminal act. But FD, if forced sex has been made 'lawful' [to Mohammed/moslems], it can hardly be described as 'rape', now can it ? :P You must remember FD, it is rape, that is a criminal act. And that, is not what moslem men do. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:53am Yadda wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:44am:
Raping your 'maids' [i.e. female slaves] is 'lawful' in ISLAM. Quote:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1307539638/0#0 http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/raymond-ibrahim-kuwaiti-female-activist-advocates-islamic-sex-slavery.html In the article above, a moslem woman confirms, that the keeping of captive [non-moslem] women [within Sharia jurisdictions] as sex slaves, is completely 'lawful' within ISLAM. Also, raping those sex slaves [female captives] is halal [i.e. kosher]. see also, THIS DESCRIPTION OF LIFE IN A 'RIGHTLY GUIDED' ISLAMIC CALIPHATE... Quote:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/egyptian-imam-when-i-want-a-sex-slave-i-just-go-to-the-market-and-choose-the-woman-i-like-and-purcha.html ISLAMIC LAW...... For a devout moslem, all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia Law. And a moslem man can lawfully have sex at any time, with female captives [sex slaves]. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by gandalf on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:59am freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:14am:
No he didn't. Muhammad had sex with no one he wasn't married to. Now stand by as Baron swoops in and "proves" me wrong with a quote from islamqa freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:14am:
Not sure FD - what is the "proper islamic punishment" for drinking alcohol or charging riba? Since they also don't have any specified punishment. Does it mean islam permits those as well? Must be. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Stratos on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:07am polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:59am:
I think the question being asked is, did he marry (and have sex with) anyone that was forced into doing so. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:13am polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:59am:
Quote:
Those [above] extracts from the Hadith are cited, with references, here; Bikeway rapist gets 25 years in jail http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251431040/8#8 gandalf, n.b. "for we were suffering from the absence of our wives" So those women that Mohammed and his companions took as captives, and had sex with, were not their wives. gandalf, Isn't that fornication, and sex outside of marriage ? And what is the punishment, in ISLAMIC law, for adultery ? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 11:11am Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 12:08am:
crickets chirping.......... |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 1:01pm polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:09am:
Exactly. It’s all in the Wiki. I hear they’re using it in the Sharia courts these days. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by wally1 on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 1:15pm Yadda wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:13am:
War booty.THats just tough luck to the losing side. If the Arab tribes just left Mohamed alone and abided by there peace treaties then all would be fine. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by moses on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 3:31pm
Aggressively invading your peaceful neighbours, then killing the men, taking the women and children as sex slaves, forcing those sex slaves into prostitution / rape, thieving the property of those the muslims invaded, is distinctly part and parcel of the evil tenets of islam
from the qur'an: Quote:
This quiet clearly sanctions muslims forcing girls into prostitution / rape Again the qur'an says: Quote:
Both clearly state muslims are to invade the lands they have not trodden before. You can't get booty / conquered sex slaves / other people's property, if you stay at home peacefully, you have to be the aggressor and invade to collect your spoils of war. muslims and their apologists are liars when they claim to be the defenders |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 5:13pm Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 1:01pm:
K, Go and tell it to the Beslan children, the dead Beslan children. The dead Beslan school children hostages, who were raped and then had their throats slit by, ISLAMIC Jihad warriors. It was lawful K, according to Sharia law. And according to ISLAMIST logic, the parents of Beslan, are responsible for the deaths of their own children. As it was the parents of the Beslan children, that sent their own children into an area which was targeted for Jihadist 'operations'. Quote:
.....quoting a 'peace loving' moslem cleric, explaining that it is the non-moslems who are always to blame, when non-moslem children [i.e. Jewish children in occupied 'Palestinian'] are killed in "Jihad operations" with moslems. Google; "There Can Be No End to Jihad" AND THERE IS A DUPLICITY IN THE 'ARGUMENT', OF MOSLEM PROPAGANDA, WHEN THESE INCIDENTS OCCUR.... 1/ Those who resist ISLAMISTS and who inadvertently kill innocents = = "THEY, ARE MURDERERS OF INNOCENTS" - according to moslem propaganda. 2/ But if ISLAMISTS kill innocents = = IT IS THE FAULT OF INFIDELS, BECAUSE THEY ARE BRINGING INNOCENTS INTO AN ENVIRONMENT OF CONFLICT [.....even when ISLAMISTS intentionally, or carelessly cause the deaths of those innocents] Nice friends you have, K. These are ISLAMISTS who you [and people like you], are defending, K, with your silence [with your lack of criticism]. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 6:48pm
Thanks, Y. I think your posts should be used by Sharia courts too. I’ll have a word to my friends at the prayer hall.
Gud is great, Y. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Pete Waldo on Feb 24th, 2014 at 12:12am Yadda wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 5:13pm:
Thank you for this Yadda and no surprise. Wasn't it Wally that was criticizing the Israelis for scrutinizing a camel? How many pounds of explosives could be stuffed up a camel's arse? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Pete Waldo on Feb 24th, 2014 at 12:19am Yadda wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 5:13pm:
It's fortunate for Israeli Muslims that the Jews are not morally reprobate like the Muslims. With the Gaza Muslims firing rockets into Israel from among their women and children, hoping for civilian casualties among their own, as they have for so long for propaganda purposes. Yadda wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 5:13pm:
Thanks again Yadda, and what a provably preposterous lie eigh? In every military campaign against the Israelis, Middle East Muslims have specifically targeted population centers. Let alone that Gaza rockets have as much chance of hitting a child or a school or hospital as anything else. http://www.zionismchristian.com/palestine_palestinians.htm#muslims_target_civilians From Dershowitz' "The Case for Israel": "The number of Israeli women and children killed and injured is well in excess of the number of Palestinian women and children killed and injured-as many as three times more according to one study. A prominent feminist writer has observed, 'On the Israeli side, 80 percent of those killed were noncombatants, most of whom were women and girls. Israeli female fatalities far outnumbered Palestinian female fatalities by either 3 to 1 or 4 to 1. (So far, I have heard no feminist complaints about this; have you?) Of the Palestinian deaths, over 95 percent were male. In other words, Palestinians purposefully went after women, children, and other unarmed civilians and Israelis fought against armed male soldiers who were attacking them.'" |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Feb 27th, 2014 at 2:45pm Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 12:08am:
crickets chirping.......... |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by gandalf on Feb 27th, 2014 at 3:19pm Yadda wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 2:45pm:
google: Black September |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Feb 27th, 2014 at 6:18pm
gandalf,
I did. "The group's name is derived from the Black September conflict which began on 16 September 1970, when King Hussein of Jordan declared military rule in response to a fedayeen coup d’état to seize his kingdom — resulting in the deaths or expulsion of thousands of Palestinians from Jordan." ....but the 'Palestinians' didn't try to declare a state on the 'West Bank', or in Gaza - between 1948 and 1967. The 'Palestinians' in Jordan, attacked the Jordanian regime, because the 'Palestinians' were trying to undermine and overthrow the whole of Jordanian regime, and seize the whole of the kingdom of Jordan, by force. ....again, Yadda wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 2:45pm:
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by gandalf on Feb 28th, 2014 at 10:14am Yadda wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 6:18pm:
Yes - which rather dismantles your 'chillin with their bros in Jordan' theme doesn't it? I believe your exact phrase was "passively, allow themselves to be occupied by the Jordanians in the 'West Bank'" - which by your own statement above makes this a complete joke. Anyway, its been nice chatting 'on-topic' with you again. Feel free to carry on with quran quotes and beheading placards. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by freediver on Mar 1st, 2014 at 7:34pm polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:59am:
I thought we had been over this Gandalf. Muhammed had about a dozen wives and a large number of sex slaves. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by gandalf on Mar 1st, 2014 at 8:42pm
Muhammad had perhaps 13 wives and precisely zero sex slaves.
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by freediver on Mar 1st, 2014 at 10:49pm
Oops, my bad. I meant "slaves that you can have sex with".
Is there actually uncertainty about how many wives Muhammed had? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by gandalf on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 5:08pm
he had no slaves that he had sex with.
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by freediver on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 5:24pm
Concubines perhaps?
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by gandalf on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 5:27pm
perhaps if I put it another way:
Muhammad did not have any sexual intercourse with anyone he wasn't married to. or another way: The only sex Muhammad had was with his wives. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by freediver on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 7:35pm
I thought only Shites did that.
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Pete Waldo on Mar 31st, 2014 at 9:28pm polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 5:08pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 5:27pm:
You're parroting a line of bull spit you've been duped into believing, gand. In order to deny slave rape you would have to believe that a Jewish woman that he kept as a concubine would have desired to have sex with the very man responsible for beheading her husband and father, even though she was so repulsed by Muhammad's anti-religion (and little doubt repulsed by the prospect of prostrating herself toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca), that she preferred to remain a Jew and thus a concubine, rather than become a Muslim and marry Muhammad: Tabari VIII:38 "The Prophet selected for himself from among the Jewish women of the Qurayza, Rayhanah bt. Amr. She became his concubine. When he predeceased her, she was still in his possession. When the Messenger of Allah took her as a captive, she showed herself averse to Islam and insisted on Judaism." Ishaq:466 "The Apostle chose one of the Jewish women for himself. Her name was Rayhana. She remained with him until she died, in his power. The Apostle proposed to marry her and put the veil on her but she said, 'Leave me under your power, for that will be easier.' She showed a repugnance towards Islam when she was captured." According to "Jesus and Muhammad" by Mark A. Gabriel, Mohammed kept male and female slaves. Mark Gabriel graduated #2 out of a class of 6,000 at Al-Azhar University in Egypt - the most prestigious Islamic university in the world. Chapter 16 page 183 Muhammad's other women "In addition to his wives, Muhammad had another group of women at his disposal. These were the female slaves whom he had purchased or acquired as prisoners of war. All slaves, whether male or female, were referred to in Arabic as milkelimen. The male slaves would serve Muhammad by doing chores such as taking care of Muhammad and his wives, their houses, and their animals. They would prepare food and bring the water for washing before prayers. Forty-three of these male slaves are listed by name in Islamic history. The female slaves performed chores as well, but Islamic law also permitted Muhammad to use them sexually without being required to marry them. Any resulting child would not carry the name of Muhammad or take any inheritance from him. The child would be a slave to Muhammad, not his son, and Muhammad had the right to keep him or to sell him. (Islamic law allowed milkelimen for any Muslim man). Twenty-three of these female slaves are listed by name in Islamic history."[22] (Ibn Kathir, The Beginning and the End) Any surprise Muhammad's "Allah" lavished on Muhammad 1/5 of all the property stolen from others through imperialistic conquest? How else could he have supported his massive entourage of sex slaves? He might have even had to work for a living - like Abraham! Sura 33:50-51 - "O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war ... this only for thee, and not for believers [at large]; we know what we have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hand possess; - in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And God is oft-forgiving, most merciful. Yusuf Ali translation from M. Ali - Islam Reviewed (free book at the link) http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_reviewed_contents.htm Muhammad's followers have actually been deceived into believing that Muhammad was like moral Godly men such as Abraham. But what did Abraham do when he vanquished those who had kidnapped his nephew Lot? Even when the "booty" was freely offered: Genesis 14.20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. 21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself. 22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth, 23 That I will not [take] from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that [is] thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich: Abraham was a moral man of God who worked for a living. Muhammad was a mass murdering, child doing, prisoner raping, thief, conspicuously of Satan, who lived off of the property that he stole from others. There's even a whole chapter in the Quran titled "Spoils of War Booty" in which Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" lavishes on Muhammad 1/5 of all the property stolen from others. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 1st, 2014 at 4:47pm Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 12:08am:
crickets chirping.......... |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Grand Duke Imam Gandalf on Jun 1st, 2014 at 6:09pm
Y, did anyone actually claim Palestine was a nation with a prestigious history?
I believe you are just constructing a gigantic strawman. The only important point for me is that there were people living on the land, who a long heritage on that land, and were suddenly told to up and leave to make way for a jewish state. On any other place on earth that would be called an injustice. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 1st, 2014 at 8:00pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 1st, 2014 at 6:09pm:
#2, Is a complete lie. It is a complete fabrication and misrepresentation of the circumstances of the time - of what happened, leading up to 1948, and the formation of the state of Israel - and ignores, and leaves unstated, the reason why many 'Palestinians' left Israel. And isn't that the truth, gandalf ? gandalf, Who was it, that told the 'Palestinians' to remove themselves from the land where they lived ? And for what purpose were those 'Palestinians' told to to remove themselves from the land where they lived ? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Grand Duke Imam Gandalf on Jun 1st, 2014 at 8:34pm
Yadda, that old lie you are trying to peddle has been thoroughly debunked by Benny Morris (himself an avid zionist) and most other mainstream Israeli historians.
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Note the first 7 factors (in order of importance) were directly attributable to either direct Israeli aggression and/or fear of Israeli atrocities (spurred on by actual atrocities such as Dier Yassin). Quote:
Mostly the zionists achieved the ethnic cleansing by psychological intimidation rather than direct expulsion: Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian_exodus |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 1st, 2014 at 11:19pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 1st, 2014 at 8:34pm:
And Benny Morris ? Benny Morris is the discredited academic, who blatantly refused to acknowledge counter facts in historic records, which disagree with his 'New History' hypothesis, as it relates to the 'dispersion of Palestine's Arab society during the 1948 war'. Yep, Benny Morris sounds like just your typical, garden variety [intellectually corrupt] 'academic' to me!! Dictionary; discredit = = · v. harm the good reputation of. cause to seem false or unreliable. · n. loss or lack of reputation. Quote:
http://www.meforum.org/711/benny-morriss-reign-of-error-revisited One prominent fact i have learnt about moslems, is that [without exception, to my perception] moslems are shameless, shameless liars. And moslems have a preoccupation with re-writing their own history, so as to always portray themselves and fellow moslems as victims, or as innocents, or as virtuous human beings. And what what an opportunity for historic revision, the moslem conflict with Jews in the Middle East has presented to the sick, sick and callously deceitful mind, of the moslem. But slowly, ever so slowly, everyone who has anything to do with the moslem community, [i hope!] is coming to understand that the only skerrick of 'virtue' in the moslem, is the 'apparent' [but falsely projected] virtue in the shameless, shameless lies, that continually escape from the lips of every moslem creature. "We moslems are a very virtuous people. So you can admire us!" ;D ;D ;D What a sick, sick +++ Taqiyya[/size] “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…” Google; taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war [/quote] http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1366856138/763#763 Taqiyya http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiyya.htm ANOTHER SHAMELESS, LYING MOSLEM.... Re Sheik Hilali, PLEASE WATCH THIS YOUTUBE VIDEO..... Sheik Hilaly Caught vandalizing his own Mosque goto 20s, goto 3m 01s, goto 4m 01s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9O5KPI4qTI |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 7:58am Yadda wrote on Jun 1st, 2014 at 11:19pm:
In the above, i am not suggesting that every moslem lies, on every occasion that he she opens her/his mouth, to speak. But i am suggesting that there is ample evidence to suggest that on every occasion where a moslem is speaking to someone [i.e. a naive non-moslem - who the moslem believes to be uninformed - about the tenets and laws of ISLAM] the moslem will intentionally misrepresent [i.e. LIE! about] the nature and true character of ISLAM, to that person. And, that if the opportunity presents itself [to the moslem] to advance their own interests through lying, that on every occasion where a moslem is speaking to someone [i.e. a naive non-moslem - who the moslem believes to be uninformed - about their true intentions and their true motivations] the moslem will blatantly, and often maliciously, LIE and misrepresent their own circumstances and interests to that person - often, to the cost of an innocent 3rd party. e.g. A MOSLEM SCHOLAR URGING MOSLEMS, IN THE UK, TO MAINTAIN A DECEITFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UK NON-MOSLEM COMMUNITY, FOR THE PURPOSE OF MOSLEMS STRENGTHENING A MALICIOUS AND VIOLENT INTENT [on the moslem part, towards those who are not moslems] #1, Quote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece e.g. IN A MOSQUE, IN THE UK, A MOSLEM COMMUNITY LEADER FEIGNING RESPECT AND FRIENDSHIP - TO A GROUP OF NON-MOSLEM VISITORS, #2, Quote:
THE KICKER... "Just as soon as that group of visitors [the Christians] leaves, the language changes completely. 'CHRISTIANITY IS VILE', the preacher says....." Source; Quote:
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/religionreport/the-undercover-mosque/3183906#transcript The term, "inter-faith dialogue" [as being used by moslems] = = code for "don't frighten the horses" [in the Christian churches]. 'We moslems should continue to pretend that our stance towards Christians is;' 'We're all people of the book and we all come from the same history'." +++ e.g. MALICIOUSLY LYING, WITH A FORESEEABLE CONSEQUENCE, WHICH WOULD HAVE MATERIALLY DAMAGED THE REPUTATION AND THE LIVELIHOOD OF A COMPLETELY INNOCENT PERSON Carnita Matthews Islamic Moral Reality http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie-mdEeBsjg Carnita Matthews caught out using playing the racist game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZzdA4GlPl4 Carnita Matthews Police Vehicle Stop FULL VIDEO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he8MOGnP42Y Carnita Matthews Muslim Woman Lies and Muslim Man Defends Her http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP755L0OvGk |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Grand Duke Imam Gandalf on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 8:27am
Perhaps you were too busy character assassinating Benny Morris (who as I stated before is an avid zionist, and agrees with the expulsion of Palestinians), you missed this little tidbit:
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As quoted before - the top factors listed by the Israel's very own intelligence service - were Israeli aggression or fear of Israeli aggression. This was not written by Morris. Also worth noting: Quote:
Yadda, does Efraim Karsh or any other of your head-in-the-sand "historians" have an answer to this and other Israeli documents that clearly state that Israeli aggression was the main factor in the flight? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 9:38am http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1392646116/62#62 It is clear that lying is so pervasive within the moslem 'camp', and that moslems will blatantly lie to us on almost every issue, how can we [non-moslems] believe, and have confidence in anything which moslems tell us ? How can we [the non-moslem community] believe anything that is communicated to us [by moslems], when again, and again, and again, moslems are shown to be constantly being duplicitous and deceitful in their communication with us ? With the moslem, the direct circumstance of the moslem, himself, always dictates [for the moslem] what 'truth' is, and dictates the type and the nature of the relationship that the moslem has with those around him, who are not moslems; IMAGE... Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami Quote:
Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/ How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war Google, smile to the face "while our hearts curse them" Quote:
http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine Google; taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit Taqiyya “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…” QUESTION; How can anyone [e.g. non-moslems] have a meaningful relationship with another person [e.g. a moslem], when that 2nd person [e.g. a moslem] is constantly and intentionally deceiving them - for malicious and nefarious reasons. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Grand Duke Imam Gandalf on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:30pm
So Y, your answer to claims made by Israeli jews - whether they be mainstream historians or declassified contemporary IDF documents, is to rant and rant about lies made by muslims.
I must say, you gave up on this debate faster than even I expected. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Grand Duke Imam Gandalf on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 3:16pm
crickets chirping?
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 3:44pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 1st, 2014 at 6:09pm:
#1, is irrelevant. gandalf, Just because some tenants have had 'a long heritage on that land', does not equate with the tenants owning the land - because they have had 'a long heritage on that land'. The land belongs to God. The God of Israel. Exodus 4:22 ....Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: Matthew 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. Psalms 83:1 Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. 2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. 4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. 5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: 6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes; 7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre; 8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah. gandalf, I would assume [that being a believer in, and a professed servant of God] that you would agree, that the land [of Israel] belongs to God ? But the argument that you [as a moslem would make] is that you contest/contend that the Jews re-wrote the Old Testament bible, so as to favour their own claims to that land ? gandalf, You choose to believe what moslems have been taught - about the destiny of the moslems. I choose to believe what i have read in [what i believe to be] God's word - the Holy bible. And never the twain shall meet, eh. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Grand Duke Imam Gandalf on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 4:20pm Yadda wrote on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 3:44pm:
Rubbish. As usual you resort to treating me as a caricature so that you can completely ignore my actual arguments. No one's perspective of this tragic conflict starts 5000 years ago in irrelevant history, it starts mere decades ago. The Hargana and Irgun troops who cleared Palestinian villages weren't thinking of some alleged divine promise made 5000 years ago (well some of them might have, but not many), they were thinking of practical mundane worldly considerations like controlling resources and removing a perceived threat. Yadda wrote on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 3:44pm:
The land belongs to the God of Israel, so that gives the jews the right to ethnically cleanse the non-jewish inhabitants right? I don't know about your God Y, but the God I follow wouldn't sanction the violent eviction of people off their livelihoods and heritage - to become destitute refugees. There is a significant sect of orthodox jews who oppose Israel for the exact same reason. Orthodox jews in solidarity with the Palestinians: But please continue with your delusion that this is all just muslim propaganda. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by moses on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 6:18pm
Allah sanctions violent invasion by muslims in order to thieve their land, houses and riches.
from the qur'an: Al-Ahzab 33:27: And He caused you to inherit their lands, and their houses, and their riches, and a land which you had not trodden (before). And Allâh is Able to do all things. If you have not trodden in a land before, you have invaded it, and forcibly taken their houses,riches and land. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by moses on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 6:55pm
In May 1948, Israel became an independent state after Israel was recognised by the United Nations as a country in its own right within the Middle East
Israel was attacked on the same day it gained its independence – May 14th. The armies of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq attacked Israel.The invading Arabs states called for the Arab population to leave Israel, they declared it would be ("a war of extermination and a momentous massacre"). They would drive the Jews into the Mediterranean Sea. muslims were told to leave Israel by the invading muslim armies. Those that left were told that they could come back and take all the Jews possessions. Those that stayed were told they would be killed with the Jews. Although the muslim armies enormously outnumbered the Jews, the muslims were soundly defeated (they were flogged on every front) Egypt signed a peace settlement in February 1949, and over the next few months Lebanon, Jordan and Syria did the same culminating in peace in July 1949. Iraq simply withdrew her forces but did not sign any peace settlement. The truth is muslims caused the Palestinian refugee problem, why don't those muslims (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq) who caused the problem, take the refugees? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by mattywisk on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 7:21pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 4:20pm:
Gee a whole 5 people certainly wouldn't be muslim propaganda now would it. ::) Are you burning with the Peace of Islam ? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Grand Duke Imam Gandalf on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 7:46pm moses wrote on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 6:55pm:
Simple innit moses? Lets disgard any sort of historical context. Like this: 30 years before this war started, British foreign Secretary observed: Quote:
Yes, of course - the peace-loving jews were just minding their own business when the big bad muslims suddenly decided for no reason to attack :P |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by mattywisk on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 8:12pm
A muslim getting upset over jews who would have thought ::)
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by moses on Jun 4th, 2014 at 11:43am
Well what's wrong with the Jews and English simply applying the qur'an to the muslims?
Al-Ahzab 33:27: And He caused you to inherit their lands, and their houses, and their riches, and a land which you had not trodden (before). And Allâh is Able to do all things. The English and the Jews did indeed inherit their lands, and their houses, and their riches, and a land which they had not trodden (before), good enough for muslims, good enough for Jews I reckon. However the fact remains that the muslims were told to leave Israel by other muslims. It's just another muslim problem. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 4th, 2014 at 12:02pm moses wrote on Jun 4th, 2014 at 11:43am:
Right on the nail, moses ! :) What motivates people to commit violence http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1300822606/19#19 Quote:
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by freediver on Jun 4th, 2014 at 1:34pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 4:20pm:
That's right people. Muslims would never leave them destitute. They would leave all the adult men dead, and (out of pure generosity) take them women as sex slaves. Then they would dig up some earlier agreement and use it to blame the scheming Jews for their own demise. I notice Gandalf has dropped the argument about Muhammed having sex outside of marriage. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 4th, 2014 at 2:47pm freediver wrote on Jun 4th, 2014 at 1:34pm:
I haven't forgotten either. When Mohammed 'had' his sex slaves, Mohammed was being a 'righteous' fornicator. But we must remember FD, that Mohammed had a special 'dispensation' from Allah - What we ignorant infidels must understand, is that ISLAM is a political philosophy which legitimises [i.e. MAKES LAWFUL - TO A MOSLEM!!], behaviour which we infidels would normally [and ignorantly] consider to be unlawful. :P "..Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess:..." Koran 4.22-24 "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee;..." Koran 33.50 "those whom your right hands possess" = = female captives. FORNICATION with, and the RAPING of, captive non-moslem women, is completely lawful to the moslem. The Koran declares it to be so. Dictionary; fornicate = = have sexual intercourse with someone one is not married to. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Jun 4th, 2014 at 7:55pm freediver wrote on Jun 4th, 2014 at 1:34pm:
And the Jews would have taken their foreskins and turned them all into slaves, no? You know what I admire about the post-2007 FD? His critical and balanced knowledge of ancient history. You’ve clearly learned a lot from those Abu posts, FD. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by freediver on Jun 4th, 2014 at 8:03pm
Plenty of Muslims with no direct connection to the conflict want to drive the Israelis into the sea. Abu liked to explain how the Palestinians must never let the hostilities end because a glorious military victory is inevitable and just around the corner.
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 5th, 2014 at 12:16am
.....when hell freezes over.
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Grand Duke Imam Gandalf on Jun 5th, 2014 at 12:02pm freediver wrote on Jun 4th, 2014 at 1:34pm:
You noticed wrong. freediver wrote on Jun 4th, 2014 at 8:03pm:
Like most of what you allege Abu to have said, I call BS. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Grand Duke Imam Gandalf on Jun 5th, 2014 at 12:17pm
Notice how these debates work.
Yadda made a valiant attempt to sustain his claims about the exodus being a result of Arab encouragement. It lasted all of about 2 seconds before he went back into his comfort zone - muslims and taqqiya Freediver jumped on this thread and didn't even bother to pay lip service to the actual debate, and launched straight into "a muslim said it, therefore it must be wrong" mode. Neither of you have any sensible responses to the arguments I have made, you can only resort to ad-hominems, which I'm sure you are well aware is the oldest fallacy trick in the book. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Jun 5th, 2014 at 4:43pm Yadda wrote on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 3:44pm:
Ah. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 5th, 2014 at 10:27pm Yadda wrote on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 3:44pm:
Moslems do claim to believe in, and to worship God, the creator of all things. Don't they ??? :-/ Do moslems believe in a creator God, who makes his will known among men ??? Dictionary; worship = = the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity. Yadda wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 9:05am:
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Jun 5th, 2014 at 11:38pm
It’s good that you argue free speech should not be subject to the truth because we all make mistakes, Y.
Wouldn’t it be terrible if you were mistaken about the God of Israel? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by freediver on Jun 6th, 2014 at 9:07am polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 12:17pm:
What ad hominems have I resorted to? Pointing out that Muslims do hold these absurdly militant views is not an ad hominem. What is the actual debate? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Grand Duke Imam Gandalf on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:29am
You can't refute my facts about how the Palestinian refugees were created, so you resort to the 'muslim hypocricy' line of argument, and infer that because a muslim said it, of course its bogus. Completely irrelevant to the point I was making, and yes an ad-hominem fallacy. Previously you would be more blatant and attempt to end the argument with childish ad-homs like "oh look, a muslim attacking jews", a muslim being this and that - before I started deleting them for personal attacks.
The actual debate I was having with Yadda that you quoted, was related to the evidence presented by jews themselves - including Israeli intelligence - that the exodus was primarily about Israeli attacks and fear of attacks - not encouragement by the arabs themselves. And this, if it needs to be spelled out, has nothing to do with anti-semitic lying muslims peddling propaganda - which both of you are so desperate to turn this into. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:34am Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 11:38pm:
Not so. You are misrepresenting my argument - the argument that i made - Karnal. here it is.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1400931617/90#90 I argued that if someone contests what truth is, or, if they contest what is understood to be true, then they [that person] should have the - reasonable - right to publicly present an argument to that effect. Quote:
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:58am polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:29am:
gandalf, But in arguing your case, Benny Morris presented only part of the historical information that was available for review [i.e. Benny Morris included only that information which supported his bias], AND, [it looks very much like] Benny Morris - intentionally - misrepresented much of the information which he did present. [e.g. as per the information which Benny Morris presented, which were 'truncated' extracts from the diary of Theodore Herzl, which were designed to misrepresent Herzl's views] |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Grand Duke Imam Gandalf on Jun 6th, 2014 at 12:20pm
Y, what agenda do you think Benny Morris has in deliberately misrepresenting the facts?
There are many other Israeli historians who have reached the same conclusions he has - in fact they are in the mainstream. Your version of history became fringe after the archives were opened in the early 1980s. Why do you think the Israeli government removed public access to documents from Israel's own intelligence organisation that stated that the actions of the IDF were the most important factors leading to the evacuations? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by freediver on Jun 6th, 2014 at 12:27pm Quote:
I see. It's another example of me not actually saying what I am saying? Quote:
Fancy that. The things I don't say, but that you imagine i say, are irrelevant. Quote:
You'll have to spell this one out. Quote:
That how I start them. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Jun 6th, 2014 at 1:14pm Yadda wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:34am:
Thanks, Y. I stand corrected. You said this: Quote:
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by moses on Jun 6th, 2014 at 3:10pm
Arab-Israel Conflict - Forgotten Facts!
The term "Palestinian" is itself a masterful twisting of history[b]. To portray themselves as indigenous, Arab settlers adopted the name of an ancient Mediterranean tribe, the Philistines ("Invaders" in Hebrew), that disappeared out over almost 3000 years ago. The connection between this tribe and modern day Arabs is nil. Romans, in order to conceal their shame and anger with rebellious regions, changed the references to Judea and Samaria by naming them Palestine. [b]By Steven Shamrak 1.Nationhood and Jerusalem - Israel became a nation in the 14th century B.C.E. Two thousand years before the rise of Islam. 2.Since 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over the land for up to 1,000 years with a continuous Jewish presence in the land for the past 3,300 years. 3.The only Arab dominion since the Arab invasion and conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years. 4.King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem. 5.For over 3,000 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital and Arab leaders did not come to visit. 6.Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran. 7.Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray facing Mecca (often with their backs toward Jerusalem). 8.In 1854, according to a report in the New York Tribune, Jews constituted two-thirds of the population of that holy city. (The source: A journalist on assignment in the Middle East that year for the Tribune. His name was Karl Marx. Yes, that Karl Marx.) 9.In 1867, Mark Twain took a tour of Palestine. This is how he described that land: A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human. 10.In 1882, official Ottoman Turk census figures showed that , in the entire Land of Israel, there were only 141 000 Muslims, both Arab and non-Arab. 11.A travel guide to Palestine and Syria was published in 1906 by Karl Baedeker; estimated the total population of Jerusalem at 60,000, of whom 7,000 were Muslims, 13,000 were Christians and 40,000 were Jews. 12.As the Jews came and drained the swamps and made the deserts bloom, Arabs followed. They came for jobs, for prosperity, for freedom. And, they came in large numbers. 13.In 1922, with what was widely acknowledged as the illegal separation of Transjordan, the Jews were forbidden to settle on almost 77% of the Palestine, while Arab settlement went unrestricted and encouraged by British mandatory authority. 14.Prior to the Second World War Mojli Amin, a member of the Arab Defense Committee for Palestine, proposed the idea "that all the Arabs of Palestine will leave and be divided up amongst the neighboring Arab countries. In exchange for this, all the Jews living in Arab countries will leave and come to Palestine." 15.Did you know that Saudi Arabia was not created until 1913, Lebanon until 1920? Iraq did not exist as a nation until 1932, Syria until 1941; the borders of Jordan were established in 1946 and Kuwait in 1961. Any of these nations that would say Israel is only a recent arrival would have to deny their own rights as recent arrivals as well. They did not exist as countries. They were all under the control of the Turks. Over 80% of the original British Mandate land was given to Arabs without population transfer of Arabs from the land designated for Jews. 16.In 1947, the Jewish state huddled on 18% of the original British Mandate land. The Jews accepted it gratefully. The Arabs rejected it with a vengeance and seven Arab states immediately declared war against Israel. 17.In 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Most of them left in fear of being killed by their own Arab brothers as traitors. 18.Some 850,000 Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab countries, due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms. 19.The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is claimed to be around 630,000 (where did they get this number?). Based on population census, estimated number of Arabs who left Israel was around 460,000. They were ordered to leave by Arab leaders at the time. 20.From 1948 till 1967 Arabs made no attempt to create a Palestinian state. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated, 58 synagogues in Jerusalem were destroyed and the Jews and Christians were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths. 21.Arabs began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1964 only, on the initiative of Egyptian-born Yasser Arafat. The idea became popular Arab propaganda tool after Israel re-captured Judea, Samaria and Gaza in the defensive 6-Day War of 1967. 22.Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, Arab-Palestinians is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel. Continued below l |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by moses on Jun 6th, 2014 at 3:11pm
Continued from above'
23.Arab refugees INTENTIONALLY were not absorbed or integrated by the rich Arab oil states that control 99.9 percent of the Middle East landmass. They are kept as virtual prisoners by the Arab power brokers with misplaced hatred for Jews and Western democracy. 24.There is only one Jewish state. There are 60 Muslim countries, including 22 Arab ones. 25.The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. 26.Pan-Arabism or the doctrine of Muslim Caliphate declares that all land that used to belong to Muslims must be returned to them. Thus, Spain, for example, must eventually be re-conquered. The Palestine Mandate. July 24, 1922. In July 1922, the League of Nations entrusted the Great Britain with The Palestine Mandate. Recognizing "the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine," Great Britain was called upon to facilitate the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine - Eretz Israel (Land of Israel). General Assembly resolution 181, of Nov. 29, 1947: It calls for the partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem to be controlled by a "special international regime" to protect its holy places. The Zionist movement seeking to establish a Jewish state accepted the partition, the Arabs rejected it. The resolution was not carried out: After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, war broke out pitting the embryonic state against surrounding 7 Arab states. Israel gained more land than it would have had under the partition resolution. Neither Israel nor Jordan, which controlled the divided parts of Jerusalem after the war, accepted control of the holy city by an international body. Security Council resolution 242, Nov. 22, 1967: It calls for "withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied" in the 1967 Six Day War and for "respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force." The resolution was not carried out because the Arab side did not recognize Israel, and Israel refused to withdraw. Steven Shamrak is a columnist in Melbourne, Australia. Source |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Grand Duke Imam Gandalf on Jun 6th, 2014 at 3:15pm freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 12:27pm:
You attempted to "win" the debate by using ad-hominem fallacies (dismiss the argument by dismissing the arguer[s]). A debate about how the Palestinian refugee crisis began (look at the thread title), you turn it into "of course muslims would [do this and that]", and then some bizarre tangent about you somehow noticing Gandalf abandoned his position about Muhammad not having any sexual relations outside marriage" - I mean really FD? A discussion about the history of Israel, where the hell did that come from?? Do you have any contributions to this debate about 20th century historical facts other than resorting to red herrings like how a muslim debating this would be hypocritical because of what you think Muhammad did 1400 years ago and/or any other irrelevant ad-hom fallacies? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Jun 6th, 2014 at 3:52pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 3:15pm:
Now now, G, we shouldn't blame FD for what he doesn't say. I do hope you're not trying your Muselman censorship routine on FD for not saying what you want him to say. We won't have that sort of nonsense here, thank you very much. Now. Back to the argument: did Mo sleep with his sex slaves or not? They don't call them Mo's sex slaves for nothing, you know. If you refuse to answer FD's question, you're just another evasive Muslim. Like Abu. Put him in the Wiki for censorship and evasion, FD. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by freediver on Jun 6th, 2014 at 3:53pm Quote:
Would you mind pointing one of these out? Quote:
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Grand Duke Imam Gandalf on Jun 6th, 2014 at 4:07pm freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 3:53pm:
The thread is 4 months old. I have no idea what was argued then without looking back through it. I only remember Y's latest revival of it - which was squarely about the Palestinian people and the circumstances surrounding their eviction. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by freediver on Jun 6th, 2014 at 4:30pm
It keeps coming up but. For some reason you don't think Muhammed had sex outside of marriage. I'll try to find a more appropriate thread to bump.
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Jun 6th, 2014 at 4:40pm freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 4:30pm:
Exactly. Mo's sex slaves are a huge issue in Palestine right now. Everybody's talking about it. But will your Muselman acknowledge this? Not on your life. Google: Taqiyya. Don't you pay any attention to G's evasion, FD. You should make him answer your question or throw him off the board. Personally, I find this Muslim censorship nonsense completely out of step with our enlightened Western values. It makes my blood boil, it really does. They should all be banned. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:28pm Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 1:14pm:
My reply, to post #95..... The position on freedom of expression, which i, Yadda, support; Quote:
CONTRAST..... The position on freedom of expression, that is promoted by ISLAM and the moslem; IMAGE..... "Freedom of expression GO TO HELL!" "Disbelievers must not be permitted to scrutinise or criticise ISLAM!" To moslems, the Jihad against the enemies of Allah's religion, is never considered to be an immoral or hypocritical [or an ungrateful] act. The position on freedom of expression, that is promoted by ISLAM and the moslem; Is that >> the moslem << [exclusively!] will have the right to express, what the moslem has to say. But, ....that the world view(s) of all other persons - those who don't believe as they [moslems] believe [who hold views which 'offend' the moslem] - must be legally banned. Ideally the moslem would like to bring about the political circumstance where the moslem can engage in a monologue - to be in a political environment where where he has the authority to lawfully ban all other/opposing views from being expressed. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:40pm Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 4:40pm:
What a fountain-head of 'liberalism' you are Karnal!! :P NOT! Dictionary; liberal = = 1 respectful and accepting of behaviour or opinions different from one’s own; open to new ideas. favourable to individual rights and freedoms. regarding many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change. 2 favouring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate political and social reform. 3 concerned with broadening general knowledge and experience. 4 broadly construed; not strictly literal. 5 given, used, or giving in generous amounts. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:46pm
Karnal,
What i have proposed to ban, in Australia, is a philosophy which encourages lawlessness and criminality [by our laws]. I do not wish to ban people from being able to express their opinions. p.s. I do not wish to ban people from being able to express their opinions - unless such expressed views, include an incitement to murder or lawlessness. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:47pm Yadda wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:46pm:
Even if they say we should behead all those who insult the Prophet? That's a bit harsh. Dictionary; liberal = = 1 respectful and accepting of behaviour or opinions different from one’s own; open to new ideas. favourable to individual rights and freedoms. regarding many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change. 2 favouring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate political and social reform. 3 concerned with broadening general knowledge and experience. 4 broadly construed; not strictly literal. 5 given, used, or giving in generous amounts. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:54pm Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
K, So what you are plainly saying - is that you do support freedom of expression - which would include incitement to commit murder. You know, K, you pretend to be a 'jester' on this forum. But what i am reading - are your words. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Grand Duke Imam Gandalf on Jun 6th, 2014 at 6:02pm Yadda wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:54pm:
Thats actually what FD says (referring to the beheading placards). |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 6th, 2014 at 6:22pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 6:02pm:
And you present yourself on this public form, as a moslem, who does not endorse many of the principle tenets of ISLAM. e.g. "...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260i What did these moslems do that was unlawful [according to ISLAM] gandalf ? Quote:
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Caliph adamant on Jun 6th, 2014 at 6:35pm
YADDA, Palestine is NOT a country only the INVADERS believe this. THE JEWS took it back. IF the JEWS are invaded again you can FORGET islam.
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Grand Duke Imam Gandalf on Jun 6th, 2014 at 6:37pm Yadda wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 6:22pm:
Principle tenets of islam are found in the Quran, Y, not Bukhari. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by freediver on Jun 6th, 2014 at 7:11pm
So killing apostates is not a "principle tenet", just something Muslims do?
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by mattywisk on Jun 6th, 2014 at 8:17pm
Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history ??? WT F ;D ;D ;D
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by mattywisk on Jun 6th, 2014 at 8:18pm
PALESTINE NEVER EXISTED
[ Editorial Note: The following is text taken from the website Masada2000.org. All persons seeking the historical facts concerning the illegitimate territorial claims of Arab Muslims of the Middle East against the Jews are urged to access this website.] There is a preliminary historical fact that must be established; THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A CIVILIZATION OR NATION REFERRED TO AS “PALESTINE!” The very notion of a “Palestinian Arab nation”, having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world! There is not, nor has there ever been, a distinct “Palestinian” culture or language. Further, there has never been a Palestinian state governed by Arab Palestinians in history, nor was there ever a serious Arab-Palestinian national movement until 1964…three years BEFORE the Arabs of “Palestine” lost the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and Gaza as a result of the 1967 Six Day’s War (which the Arabs started). Even the so-called leader of the “Palestinian” people, Yasser Arafat, is Egyptian! In short, the so-called Arab “Palestinians” are a manufactured people…a people with no history and no authority…whose sole purpose for existence is to destroy the Jewish State! Israel first became a nation in 1312 B.C., two thousand years before the rise of Islam! Seven hundred and twenty-six years later, in 586 B.C., these first ancient Jews in the land of Israel (Judea) were overrun and Israel’s First Jewish Temple (Solomon’s Temple) on Jerusalem’s Old City Temple Mount was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed, enslaved or expelled; however many were allowed to remain. These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews, who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel and also a Second Temple in Jerusalem on the same site as Solomon’s Temple. Thus, the claim that Jews suddenly appeared fifty years ago, right after the Holocaust, and drove out the Arabs is preposterous! Then, in 70 A.D.(nearly 2,000 years ago), it was the Roman Empire’s turn to march through ancient Israel, known at that time as Judea, and destroy the Second Jewish Temple, slaughtering or driving out much of the Jewish population. The Romans, without success, had tried to impose their many deities on the Jews, but few Jews were willing to submit to the Roman demands regarding their worship, and were certainly unwilling to regard a Roman Emperor as a divine being. After a succession of uprisings against Roman rule, in which over one and a half million Jews were killed, enslaved or driven out of their homeland, the then Roman Procurator in charge of the area decided to take even another measure in retaliation. Calling his scribes, he asked the historians as to who had been the worst enemies of the Jews in past history. He was told the “Philistines.” Having this determination, he then ordered all maps altered to reflect that the Land of Israel (Judea) would be labeled “Philistia” (further bastardized into “Palaistina”) to dishonor the Jews and obliterate them, if only figuratively, from the map. Hence, the name “Palestine” was invented, and entirely appropriate that this invented name of the Romans would be used by Muhammad’s invented religion of Islam, over 1,800 years later, when initiating its campaign to steal the Jewish homeland. Over 3,250 years, various Peoples, Religions and Empires marched through Jerusalem, Israel’s ancient capital established by King David. The region was successively ruled by the Hebrews (Jews), Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Maccabeans, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Egyptians, the Crusaders, Mamelukes, the Turks (who indifferently governed the backward neglected territory from the 16th Century until the British drove them out during World War I) and then once again by the Jews in 1948. None bothered, nor were they in the least bit inclined, to build a Nation of their own…EXCEPT the Jews! It should be noted that in 636 A.D., when the Arab marauders of Muhammad came to the land, and uprooted even more of the Jews, they did not form any Arab nation there…and certainly not a “Palestinian” nation. They were simply “Arabs” who, as did others before them, moved into a geo-political area called “Palestine!” And, remember this one fact…it was not the Jews who “usurped” (a favorite word from the Arab propagandists) the land from the Arabs. It was the Arabs in 636 A.D. who overran and stole it from the Jews! A point: The Dome of the Rock Mosque was constructed atop the ruins of the second Jewish Temple, and not vice-versa! The Jewish People have the most legitimate “Birth Certificate” of any nation in the world! Every time there is an archaeological dig in Israel, it does nothing but support the fact that the Jewish People have had a presence there for well over 3,000 years. The national coins, the pottery, the cities, the ancient Hebrew texts…all support this claim. Yes, other peoples have passed through, but there is no mistaking the fact that Jews have always had a continuous presence in that land for over 3,000 years. This predates and certainly dwarfs any claims that other people in the regions may have. IN CONCLUSION: No nation, other than the ancient nation of Israel and later again in 1948, with the rebirth of the 2nd Nation of Israel, has ever ruled |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Grand Duke Imam Gandalf on Jun 6th, 2014 at 8:26pm freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 7:11pm:
Thats correct FD. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by freediver on Jun 6th, 2014 at 8:30pm
Do they tell this to people just before they chop their heads off? It might offer some reassurance.
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Jun 6th, 2014 at 8:50pm Yadda wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:54pm:
No no, Y, I support the freedom of Gud’s chosen people to slay gentiles, take them as slaves and offer their foreskins to the god of Israel. It is the Word of Gud, no? Allah Uakbar. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Jun 6th, 2014 at 8:58pm
Gud is great!
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Jun 6th, 2014 at 8:59pm freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 8:30pm:
Not usually, FD. We usually just shout Allah Uakbar and let Gud sort it out. Kill em all, eh? We’re quite secular that way. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by mattywisk on Jun 6th, 2014 at 9:03pm Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 8:59pm:
Yeah its one big dam joke aint it mate. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Jun 6th, 2014 at 9:20pm Mattywisk wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 9:03pm:
Excuse me, I won’t have you talk about the Old Testament in such a manner. It is the Will of Gud. Do something with this one, Moderator. He’s speaking out against the Marines. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by mattywisk on Jun 6th, 2014 at 9:25pm Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 9:20pm:
Go spread your shyte hero in a dump of a country that take your muslime bullshit |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Grand Duke Imam Gandalf on Jun 6th, 2014 at 9:31pm freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 8:30pm:
Who knows FD? Perhaps you should be asking someone who is in to chopping apostates heads off rather than me. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:28pm Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 8:59pm:
Yeah, ive seen that BIKER T-shirt too. I had an inkling that you were really a 'secular' moslem, Not really a 'true believer'. Well, not today at least. :) "Kill em all! .....and let God sort it out." |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:31pm Mattywisk wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 9:25pm:
Now now, it’s wasteful to smear, you know. I’ll thank you to serve it on a plate to the customers.. Bon Apetite. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by mattywisk on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:32pm
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by mattywisk on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:33pm Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:31pm:
Eat up mooslime you know you want too.. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:42pm Mattywisk wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:32pm:
Much better. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by mattywisk on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:44pm Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:42pm:
That would be the sum of all your intellect could handle I guess. Finished friday night prayers yet ? better pop that mobile phone away before the cleric see's you. What would pretend allah say ;D |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 7th, 2014 at 7:53am moses wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 3:11pm:
Under international law, ...Israel has no obligation to withdraw from captured territory [e.g. territories won in 1967], if doing so would threaten the security and safety of the state of Israel. Israel has rights, under plain, simple, existing international law, relating to all of the territory which was captured by Israel, in the aftermath of attacks upon Israel, by Arab/moslem aggressors..... islam and jews http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1299665041/39#39 Quote:
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Jun 7th, 2014 at 11:18am
True, Y. Saddam said the same about Kuwait in 1991.
Pity the UN chose to invade though. So unfair. Saddam was on our side before that one. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Soren on Jun 7th, 2014 at 12:30pm Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 7th, 2014 at 11:18am:
Kuwait was a sovereign state when it was invaded by Saddam. The West Bank was occupied by Jordan and was not a sovereign state when Israel occupied it after defeating the Arab attackers, including Jordan. Similarly, the Gaza Strip was an occupied territory held by Egypt but not part of Egypt. Settlements on the Golan Heights and Sinai may have be regarded as illegal or contrary to international prohibitions because those area were part of a sovereign states, Syria and Egyp. The Sinai has since been returned to Egypt. The Golan Heights, luckily, haven't been given back to Syria. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Jun 7th, 2014 at 2:04pm Soren wrote on Jun 7th, 2014 at 12:30pm:
Luckily. But why would they? International law Does not exist. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by mattywisk on Jun 7th, 2014 at 4:08pm
There is no such thing as a Palestine in history it is a muslim myth. Move on with your lives. Please don't quote Phillistine either that is a joke.
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 7th, 2014 at 7:00pm Contrast the moslem invention of a 'Palestinian people', with how moslems dismiss Jewish history connected to the land of Israel!!!!!! Moslems are liars, .....who make up stuff, who always change and embellish their moslem 'narratives', so as to give moslems a tactical advantage in today's circumstances. Which is evidenced again, and again, and again, and again, and again, in differing moslem 'narratives'. .....about the narrative of inerrant Koran, about the narrative of the Jewish people, about the narrative of those moslems Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus, etc. "Lets make up a story which supports our Jihad against the infidels. Lets TELL RIGHTEOUS LIES, to help us defeat the evil infidels." e.g. Quote:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=40628 Quote:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65919 n.b...... And look how moslems respond, when historic accounts [from different sources], contradict the moslem narrative.... ".....descriptions of the Jewish Temples in the Hebrew Tanach, in the Talmud and in Byzantine and Roman writings from the Temple periods were forged,...." But of course they were! I always believe what the moslems tell me, don't you ? Hey, moslems wouldn't blatantly - LIE TO US. :P Abdullah at teh local mosque has assured me; "ISLAM is a virtuous and tolerant religion." .....and of course, i believe everything Abdullah tells me about ISLAM. :P n.b. The article links are old, but the articles are kosher. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 7th, 2014 at 7:33pm Yadda wrote on Jun 7th, 2014 at 7:00pm:
[above] #1, When independant historic accounts contradict the moslem 'narrative' about history, the moslem claims that those independant historic accounts were all forged [were fabricated]. #2, And today, when video evidence contradicts the 'narrative' of the moslem, does the moslem confess that he is lying ? NO!!! The moslem claims that the video evidence which contradicts his 'narrative' - is forged [i.e. fabricated]. "There is a trick in this film/camera!" WATCH THE EVIDENCE OF YET ANOTHER SHAMELESS, LYING MOSLEM.... Re Sheik Hilali, PLEASE WATCH THIS YOUTUBE VIDEO..... Sheik Hilaly Caught vandalizing his own Mosque goto 5m 55s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9O5KPI4qTI |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Jun 7th, 2014 at 7:43pm Mattywisk wrote on Jun 7th, 2014 at 4:08pm:
Actually, it’s a Roman myth. No such thing as Palestine, no such thing as international law, all that is solid melts into air. It’s good to see the knuckleheads finally converting to post-structuralism. Our work at the Faculty has borne fruit. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by mattywisk on Jun 8th, 2014 at 5:38pm Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 7th, 2014 at 7:43pm:
Let me know when they let you out of the institution and I'll buy you a latte you seem like the latte sort to me. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Jun 9th, 2014 at 1:07pm Mattywisk wrote on Jun 8th, 2014 at 5:38pm:
Thanks, Matty. I’m on a teaching secondment to this very board. Two sugars, thanks. Did you know the UN bought into the Palestine myth too? Palestine became a state on its own in 2012. Lucky the UN doesn’t exist either, eh? |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Soren on Jun 12th, 2014 at 12:09am
Nothing exists. On Ozpolitic nobody hears you scream.
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 12th, 2014 at 1:23am
#140
I shouldn't say this [because it is a sin, and very presumptuous to say this], but i'm looking forward to judgement day. But i'm not so much looking for the judgement of the wicked, that i wish that day would come, ....but just that that day, will FINALLY bring an end to the wholesale wickedness of this generation of man. Institutions and authorities of man, who claim to be serving the interests of mankind [teh institutions and authorities of man, who derive their authority [over others], by claiming to be serving the interests of mankind], yet are full to the brim with self serving, and ruthless wolves. 1 Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Karnal on Jun 12th, 2014 at 11:51am Soren wrote on Jun 12th, 2014 at 12:09am:
That doesn't stop you screaming, old chap. If one screams alone and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? Carry on screaming, dear boy. We PBs prefer a good grin. |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Yadda on Jun 12th, 2014 at 8:01pm Yadda wrote on Jun 7th, 2014 at 7:00pm:
Moslems are liars, .....who make up stuff, who always change and embellish their moslem 'narratives', so as to give moslems a tactical advantage in today's circumstances. e.g. ISLAM's version of Jesus life [in the Koran] declares that Jesus was not killed, that Jesus did not die, that Jesus WAS NOT CRUCIFIED! But that Jesus was taken up into heaven [at the end of his time on earth], without dying. BUT; In recent decades, the 'Palestinian' propaganda machine have attempted to hijack the historic person of [the Christian] Jesus [and his 'celebrity' death, purportedly at the hands of the Jews] as a cause celeb. i.e. Palestinians have 'recruited' the historic person of [the Christian] Jesus, in support of the 'Palestinian' cause. The Palestinians have attempted to portray the historic person of Jesus, as a Palestinian shaheed -- a symbol of the suicide bomber and a slave of Allah - as a co-sufferer of martyrdom with the 'Palestinian' people. Quote:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4351/palestinians-pope-visit |
Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Hot Breath on Jun 13th, 2014 at 11:29am
Still using crayon I see. Nothing changes on OzPolitic.
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Title: Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history Post by Mahdi on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:07pm
"Palestinians Damage Their Cause: The Pope's Visit to the Middle East
by Bassam Tawil June 12, 2014 .....Moreover, for quite some time the Palestinian media has been reporting the Palestinian leadership as calling Jesus "the first Palestinian shaheed [martyr]" killed by the Jews, a claim that is spectacularly ridiculous. ......The Palestinian attempt to represent Jesus as a Palestinian shaheed -- a symbol of the suicide bomber and a servant of Palestinian terrorism -- exposes the depth of Palestinian ignorance. Even the Qur'an says the Jews did not kill Jesus, so he can be neither Palestinian nor a shaheed. (Surah An-Nisa', 4:157. "And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him ... they did not kill him, for certain." -- Sahih International translation.) " ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D That is Hilarious to say the least. People wonder why others roll their eye's when they roll out the Palestinian rich history ;D |
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