The leftards have always been very quiet with the 1500+ deaths of illegals

But now 1 died as a result of breaking out of a detention centre and you are up in arms

4 died as a result of Pink Batts and the leftards have also remained quiet - but when 1 illegal died you are all up in arms. Obviously Australian lives are not important to the Greens or Labor voters

Also interesting to note - these illegals are claiming they are running scared from the government of their country. But they are more than happy to riot here!!!

It shows they disrespect Australians immensely

I hope your holiday was enjoyable, Maqqa!

lol PN

I've been overseas on assignment - pretty hectic with work

Even in the lounges I didn't have time to login too much

Just back for a couple of weeks then off again in early March

How are things

"illegals"    ;D

Maqqa wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 9:45am:

The leftards have always been very quiet with the 1500+ deaths of illegals But now 1 died as a result of breaking out of a detention centre and you are up in arms 4 died as a result of Pink Batts and the leftards have also remained quiet - but when 1 illegal died you are all up in arms. Obviously Australian lives are not important to the Greens or Labor voters Also interesting to note - these illegals are claiming they are running scared from the government of their country. But they are more than happy to riot here!!! It shows they disrespect Australians immensely

wb maqqa.

Also show how the leftys are ok with risking the RANs lives.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

"illegals"    ;D

They weren't illegals when they arrived in Indonesia with all the correct papers needed to enter the country.

But guess what the Indonesians would have called them if they hadn't arrived off the planes with the correct documentation, and were being forced to return home on the next plane?

You have 60 Seconds to Answer this question for a Million Dollars.

Your time starts NOW!

tick tick tick tick tick ......

Maqqa wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 10:38am:

I've been overseas on assignment - pretty hectic with work

attending lots of tax payer funded weddings are you?

.... tick tick tick tick tick tick ....

John Smith wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:38am: I've been overseas on assignment - pretty hectic with work attending lots of tax payer funded weddings are you?

I was waiting to see if anyone at one at the HSU would pull out their union credit card

.... tick tick tick tick tick tick ....

Um yeah, the 1 glaring point you miss is that the 1500 weren't under the care & protection of the Australian government.

No argument that's what they were trying to obtain but at the time of their deaths they were not, the "Smugglers" & boat captains were responsible for their health & "safety" NOT the AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT.

However this individual had secured the protection & care of our Government & it would seem we FAILED.


But don't let facts stop your rant.

BTW I remember in 07 when Rudd came to power & then we had an interest rate rise or something & I questioned you on how Rudd could be held responsible seeing as it was a direct result/continuation of Howard policy.
I remember your reply.
"His in charge now"

So please no blaming Labor for Holden/Toyota/Alcoa
Tony's in charge now

P.S Nice to have you back.
P.S.S Sad LW disappeared

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:46am: "illegals"    ;D They weren't illegals when they arrived in Indonesia with all the correct papers needed to enter the country. But guess what the Indonesians would have called them if they hadn't arrived off the planes with the correct documentation, and were being forced to return home on the next plane? You have 60 Seconds to Answer this question for a Million Dollars. Your time starts NOW! tick tick tick tick tick ......

No wonder Herbet never went on Who Wants to be a Millionaire - he doesn't understand the question :(

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 1:28pm:

No wonder Herbet never went on Who Wants to be a Millionaire - he doesn't understand the question :(

.... tick tick tick tick tick tick ....

Ten seconds left! Come on! Take a guess if you don't know!

.... tick tick tick tick tick tick ....

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 1:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 1:28pm: No wonder Herbet never went on Who Wants to be a Millionaire - he doesn't understand the question :( .... tick tick tick tick tick tick ....

Awww, Herb thinks he's a clock.  How cute. 

Five seconds...

.... tick tick tick tick tick tick ....

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 1:45pm:

Five seconds... .... tick tick tick tick tick tick ....

What comes after five, Herb? Tell us! Tell us!

One Million Dollars to tell us what the Indonesians called the passengers at their airports who had no documents of identification!

Four seconds ...

.... tick tick tick tick tick tick ....

Maybe he should phone-a-friend?

viewpoint wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 1:51pm:

Maybe he should phone-a-friend?

;D ;D ;D

.... tick tick tick tick tick tick .... Two seconds left, Greg ...

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 1:48pm:

One Million Dollars to tell us what the Indonesians called the passengers at their airports who had no documents of identification! Four seconds ... .... tick tick tick tick tick tick ....

and Indonesians also don't have a refugee framework.

We do.

Two million dollars to tell me what THAT means :)

;D Silly, silly.

And don't worry, Herb. For you, I'll give ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD. I know that old brain of yours doesn't work very well, so by all means, take your time :)

I just want to know one thing- when are Abbott and the boys going to make a start on the deportations? Seeing that a fair portion of these country shoppers  have committed  criminal offences in detention it shouldn't be a problem.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

... and Indonesians also don't have a refugee framework.

That's not in the least bit relevant to this quiz for Greg ("Illegals"? Ha! Ha! Ha!) to answer.

When the planes land at Indonesian airports these people are fully documented and do not ask for political asylum from the Indonesians.

But if their papers are not in order, these jet-setters are frog-marched back onto the next departing planes as "xxxxxxxx".

Time's nearly run out, Greg ... For One Million Dollars ...

.... tick tick tick tick tick tick ....

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 2:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:24pm: ... and Indonesians also don't have a refugee framework. That's not in the least bit relevant to this quiz for Greg ("Illegals"? Ha! Ha! Ha!) to answer. When the planes land at Indonesian airports these people are fully documented and do not ask for political asylum from the Indonesians. But if their papers are not in order, these jet-setters are frog-marched back onto the next departing planes as "xxxxxxxx". Time's nearly run out, Greg ... For One Million Dollars ... .... tick tick tick tick tick tick ....

Clearly you're not very smart.  No one asks for political asylum from the Indonesians because Indonesia is not a signatory to the refugee convention and does NOT have a refugee framework.   

So your argument is to what, be like Indonesia and not be a signatory to the refugee convention anymore? Is that your argument?

Seems to me your brain would be perfect for being a clock - it's about as much as you can do - tick tick tick ;)

Sparky wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 2:41pm:

I just want to know one thing- when are Abbott and the boys going to make a start on the deportations? Seeing that a fair portion of these country shoppers  have committed  criminal offences in detention it shouldn't be a problem.

Typical Sparky, ignoring the cause. 

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 2:46pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:41pm: I just want to know one thing- when are Abbott and the boys going to make a start on the deportations? Seeing that a fair portion of these country shoppers  have committed  criminal offences in detention it shouldn't be a problem. Typical Sparky, ignoring the cause.

There were only 4 boat people in detention when labor dismantled the Pacific solution.

Labor and the Greens are the cause of any deaths since the Pacific solution was dismantled.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 1:24pm:

Um yeah, the 1 glaring point you miss is that the 1500 weren't under the care & protection of the Australian government. No argument that's what they were trying to obtain but at the time of their deaths they were not, the "Smugglers" & boat captains were responsible for their health & "safety" NOT the AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT. However this individual had secured the protection & care of our Government & it would seem we FAILED. But don't let facts stop your rant.

I'm really interested in your comment. It brings to mind something I read in the paper last year. One migrant family was suing the Australian Govt (courtesy of legal aid) for pain and stress they suffered on the way out, while they were on the leaky boat.
I remember thinking it was a bit rich, as the aust govt didn't ask them to come, never encouraged them to come, didn't even know they were coming at that stage, it was their personal decision.

Yet like so many things nowadays, they were trying to get money out of the taxpayer.
I don't know how the case ended or even if it has ended.
But they were definitely trying to establish that the Aust govt was responsible for their health and safety even while on those boats.

Then there were the three ASs drowned in Indo waters in one of our orange lifeboats. Of course, we tried to set up a Malayasian Regional Processing Centre but Libs and Greens wanted BOATS to be an election issue. I have said this several times—have not kept quiet about it.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 2:53pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:46pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:41pm: I just want to know one thing- when are Abbott and the boys going to make a start on the deportations? Seeing that a fair portion of these country shoppers  have committed  criminal offences in detention it shouldn't be a problem. Typical Sparky, ignoring the cause.  There were only 4 boat people in detention when labor dismantled the Pacific solution. Labor and the Greens are the cause of any deaths since the Pacific solution was dismantled.

Uh no, this death, and all the deaths that have resulted in our refusal to accept our obligations under the refugee convention, are the direct result of ALL GOVERNMENT POLICY since 2001.

sherri wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 1:24pm: Um yeah, the 1 glaring point you miss is that the 1500 weren't under the care & protection of the Australian government. No argument that's what they were trying to obtain but at the time of their deaths they were not, the "Smugglers" & boat captains were responsible for their health & "safety" NOT the AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT. However this individual had secured the protection & care of our Government & it would seem we FAILED. But don't let facts stop your rant. I'm really interested in your comment. It brings to mind something I read in the paper last year. One migrant family was suing the Australian Govt (courtesy of legal aid) for pain and stress they suffered on the way out, while they were on the leaky boat. I remember thinking it was a bit rich, as the aust govt didn't ask them to come, never encouraged them to come, didn't even know they were coming at that stage, it was their personal decision. Yet like so many things nowadays, they were trying to get money out of the taxpayer. I don't know how the case ended or even if it has ended. But they were definitely trying to establish that the Aust govt was responsible for their health and safety even while on those boats.

I haven't heard this, I'd be interested in reading the article. Can you link?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 2:46pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:41pm: I just want to know one thing- when are Abbott and the boys going to make a start on the deportations? Seeing that a fair portion of these country shoppers  have committed  criminal offences in detention it shouldn't be a problem. Typical Sparky, ignoring the cause.

So let me get this straight. Firstly they illegally push their way into our country, then they riot and burn the crap out of our property and cause millions of dollars worth the damage. Then expect to be rewarded with a lifetimes supply of dole payments. If I wanted a golden ticket to get a lifetimes supply of dole payments I'd be on my best behaviour. What do they expect.

This is a new low even for Tony Abbott...the Libs are now beating asylum seekers to death.

adelcrow wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:10pm:

This is a new low even for Tony Abbott...the Libs are now beating asylum seekers to death.

Pity they missed you pisshead

>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

adelcrow wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:10pm:

This is a new low even for Tony Abbott...the Libs are now beating asylum seekers to death.

There's a lesson to be learnt for the Manus refugees here. Never riot and smash peoples property in PNG. Smash our property and some bleeding heart like you will lick their balls.

wow...a trolling avalanche  ;D

Sparky wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:09pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:46pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:41pm: I just want to know one thing- when are Abbott and the boys going to make a start on the deportations? Seeing that a fair portion of these country shoppers  have committed  criminal offences in detention it shouldn't be a problem. Typical Sparky, ignoring the cause.  So let me get this straight. Firstly they illegally push their way into our country, then they riot and burn the crap out of our property and cause millions of dollars worth the damage. Then expect to be rewarded with a lifetimes supply of dole payments. If I wanted a golden ticket to get a lifetimes supply of dole payments I'd be on my best behaviour. What do they expect.

They illegally push their way into our country? It's not illegal to claim asylum, and any person doing so is not only WITHIN THE LAW OF THIS COUNTRY, but is ALSO EXERCISING THEIR BASIC HUMAN RIGHT.  Do you need this in bigger font, as I simply can't fathome why nuffties can't understand this?

It's not illegal to claim asylum, and any person doing so is not only WITHIN THE LAW OF THIS COUNTRY, but is ALSO EXERCISING THEIR BASIC HUMAN RIGHT.

And not processing asylum claims as a result of maritime arrivals over other types of arrivals, is going against the refugee convention.

And the question is WHY do people fleeing persecution who then get locked up in a cage end up going on a rampage? I think that one is easily answerable, but I'll let you use what's left of your capacity to work it out.

And one more thing, Sparky, it isn't a golden ticket to be on the dole. I appreciate that people like you may wish to have a golden ticket to be on the dole, but for the vast majority, including the VAST, VAST, MAJORITY OF ASYLUM SEEKERS, it isn't about that at all.

woody2014 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:10pm: This is a new low even for Tony Abbott...the Libs are now beating asylum seekers to death. Pity they missed you pisshead >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

FWEDDY this is a new low for you. You wish to see a poster here dead? Disgusting.
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:14pm:

but for the vast majority, including the VAST, VAST, MAJORITY OF ASYLUM SEEKERS, it isn't about that at all.

It isn't?  You got a reference for that? 

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:14pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:09pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:46pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:41pm: I just want to know one thing- when are Abbott and the boys going to make a start on the deportations? Seeing that a fair portion of these country shoppers  have committed  criminal offences in detention it shouldn't be a problem. Typical Sparky, ignoring the cause.  So let me get this straight. Firstly they illegally push their way into our country, then they riot and burn the crap out of our property and cause millions of dollars worth the damage. Then expect to be rewarded with a lifetimes supply of dole payments. If I wanted a golden ticket to get a lifetimes supply of dole payments I'd be on my best behaviour. What do they expect. They illegally push their way into our country? It's not illegal to claim asylum, and any person doing so is not only WITHIN THE LAW OF THIS COUNTRY, but is ALSO EXERCISING THEIR BASIC HUMAN RIGHT.  Do you need this in bigger font, as I simply can't fathome why nuffties can't understand this? It's not illegal to claim asylum, and any person doing so is not only WITHIN THE LAW OF THIS COUNTRY, but is ALSO EXERCISING THEIR BASIC HUMAN RIGHT. And not processing asylum claims as a result of maritime arrivals over other types of arrivals, is going against the refugee convention. And the question is WHY do people fleeing persecution who then get locked up in a cage end up going on a rampage? I think that one is easily answerable, but I'll let you use what's left of your capacity to work it out. And one more thing, Sparky, it isn't a golden ticket to be on the dole. I appreciate that people like you may wish to have a golden ticket to be on the dole, but for the vast majority, including the VAST, VAST, MAJORITY OF ASYLUM SEEKERS, it isn't about that at all.

It's not illegal to claim asylum, that's a fair statement. The issue is that you have to have a reason to be given this asylum. Wanting an Australian lifestyle is not a good enough reason. Safety is. But if they wanted that they would stay in Indonesia. So obviously they want safety in a refuge of their choice. Preferably a nice 1st world country. There's an issue there.

Datalife wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:18pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:14pm:   but for the vast majority, including the VAST, VAST, MAJORITY OF ASYLUM SEEKERS, it isn't about that at all. It isn't?  You got a reference for that?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/AsylumFacts

I mused a while ago on this forum, what all the luvvie dickheads would do when confronted with the first death from Rudds PNG solution, the one that you clowns were happy to claim credit for on behalf of Rudd for stopping the boats.

And I was right.

Talk about messed up, claiming credit, then blaming Abbot, all the while wondering where the push factors have gone.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:15pm:

woody2014 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:13pm: adelcrow wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:10pm: This is a new low even for Tony Abbott...the Libs are now beating asylum seekers to death. Pity they missed you pisshead >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( FWEDDY this is a new low for you. You wish to see a poster here dead? Disgusting. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  NO NO NO he's already a dead bastard !   ;D ;D

Sparky wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:14pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:09pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:46pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:41pm: I just want to know one thing- when are Abbott and the boys going to make a start on the deportations? Seeing that a fair portion of these country shoppers  have committed  criminal offences in detention it shouldn't be a problem. Typical Sparky, ignoring the cause.  So let me get this straight. Firstly they illegally push their way into our country, then they riot and burn the crap out of our property and cause millions of dollars worth the damage. Then expect to be rewarded with a lifetimes supply of dole payments. If I wanted a golden ticket to get a lifetimes supply of dole payments I'd be on my best behaviour. What do they expect. They illegally push their way into our country? It's not illegal to claim asylum, and any person doing so is not only WITHIN THE LAW OF THIS COUNTRY, but is ALSO EXERCISING THEIR BASIC HUMAN RIGHT.  Do you need this in bigger font, as I simply can't fathome why nuffties can't understand this? It's not illegal to claim asylum, and any person doing so is not only WITHIN THE LAW OF THIS COUNTRY, but is ALSO EXERCISING THEIR BASIC HUMAN RIGHT. And not processing asylum claims as a result of maritime arrivals over other types of arrivals, is going against the refugee convention. And the question is WHY do people fleeing persecution who then get locked up in a cage end up going on a rampage? I think that one is easily answerable, but I'll let you use what's left of your capacity to work it out. And one more thing, Sparky, it isn't a golden ticket to be on the dole. I appreciate that people like you may wish to have a golden ticket to be on the dole, but for the vast majority, including the VAST, VAST, MAJORITY OF ASYLUM SEEKERS, it isn't about that at all. It's not illegal to claim asylum, that's a fair statement. The issue is that you have to have a reason to be given this asylum. Wanting an Australian lifestyle is not a good enough reason. Safety is. But if they wanted that they would stay in Indonesia. So obviously they want safety in a refuge of their choice. Preferably a nice 1st world country. There's an issue there.

1. They are seeking safety. Otherwise they wouldn't be granted asylum.
2. Indonesia is not a refugee convention signatory, and has no refugee framework. So they can't stay there, as by all means that makes it not safe, especially given Indonesia can and does deport refugees without assessment of the claim.

Do we need to constantly rehash the same topics? Or will the day come when your thick head accepts facts?

woody2014 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:15pm: woody2014 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:13pm: adelcrow wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:10pm: This is a new low even for Tony Abbott...the Libs are now beating asylum seekers to death. Pity they missed you pisshead >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( FWEDDY this is a new low for you. You wish to see a poster here dead? Disgusting. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  NO NO NO he's already a dead bastard !   ;D ;D

Fweddy, people may disagree with one another on this forum, but you SHOULD NEVER WISH DEATH ON ANY POSTER!

You should apologise, thats disgusting.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

Datalife wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:18pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:14pm:   but for the vast majority, including the VAST, VAST, MAJORITY OF ASYLUM SEEKERS, it isn't about that at all. It isn't?  You got a reference for that?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/AsylumFacts

Which bit?  Cmon, when you ask references from me I am happy to provide not just the link but a quote.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

Datalife wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:18pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:14pm:   but for the vast majority, including the VAST, VAST, MAJORITY OF ASYLUM SEEKERS, it isn't about that at all. It isn't?  You got a reference for that?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/AsylumFacts

Well Alevine , how hard  is it to gain employment in Australia. Even the crappiest jobs need many qualifications. How can you gain employment in Australia with no education and limited English? That's why most Australian settled asylum seekers are on the dole. It probably aint their choice to be on the rock'n roll but it just ends up like that. That's why the government has a point system.

Datalife wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:24pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:21pm: Datalife wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:18pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:14pm:   but for the vast majority, including the VAST, VAST, MAJORITY OF ASYLUM SEEKERS, it isn't about that at all. It isn't?  You got a reference for that?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/AsylumFacts Which bit?  Cmon, when you ask references from me I am happy to provide not just the link but a quote.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/AsylumFacts#_Toc348096470

I'm sorry, I thought you might be interested in it all. :)

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:15pm:

woody2014 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:13pm: adelcrow wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:10pm: This is a new low even for Tony Abbott...the Libs are now beating asylum seekers to death. Pity they missed you pisshead >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( FWEDDY this is a new low for you. You wish to see a poster here dead? Disgusting. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

You’re mostly wastes of space now, blinded by hatred.

It’s disturbing to watch the demented decent of some of you people.


:(

Sparky wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:21pm: Datalife wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:18pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:14pm:   but for the vast majority, including the VAST, VAST, MAJORITY OF ASYLUM SEEKERS, it isn't about that at all. It isn't?  You got a reference for that?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/AsylumFacts Well Alevine , how hard  is it to gain employment in Australia. Even the crappiest jobs need many qualifications. How can you gain employment in Australia with no education and limited English? That's why most Australian settled asylum seekers are on the dole. It probably aint their choice to be on the rock'n roll but it just ends up like that. That's why the government has a point system.

I don't know, I'd be interested to find out from many Tony supporters here how one gains a job with no education and limited English ;)

But on a serious note, you gain employment as an asylum seekers by learning English and obtaining a skill. Given the fact that the institutions providing this to aslyum seekers are over loaded with work only goes to show that no one is coming here to specifically seek a golden ticket for life, of claiming the dole. Rather, the reason why asylum seekers may be on the dole for extended period of time is the result of a lack of proper policy.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:24pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:19pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:14pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:09pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:46pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:41pm: I just want to know one thing- when are Abbott and the boys going to make a start on the deportations? Seeing that a fair portion of these country shoppers  have committed  criminal offences in detention it shouldn't be a problem. Typical Sparky, ignoring the cause.  So let me get this straight. Firstly they illegally push their way into our country, then they riot and burn the crap out of our property and cause millions of dollars worth the damage. Then expect to be rewarded with a lifetimes supply of dole payments. If I wanted a golden ticket to get a lifetimes supply of dole payments I'd be on my best behaviour. What do they expect. They illegally push their way into our country? It's not illegal to claim asylum, and any person doing so is not only WITHIN THE LAW OF THIS COUNTRY, but is ALSO EXERCISING THEIR BASIC HUMAN RIGHT.  Do you need this in bigger font, as I simply can't fathome why nuffties can't understand this? It's not illegal to claim asylum, and any person doing so is not only WITHIN THE LAW OF THIS COUNTRY, but is ALSO EXERCISING THEIR BASIC HUMAN RIGHT. And not processing asylum claims as a result of maritime arrivals over other types of arrivals, is going against the refugee convention. And the question is WHY do people fleeing persecution who then get locked up in a cage end up going on a rampage? I think that one is easily answerable, but I'll let you use what's left of your capacity to work it out. And one more thing, Sparky, it isn't a golden ticket to be on the dole. I appreciate that people like you may wish to have a golden ticket to be on the dole, but for the vast majority, including the VAST, VAST, MAJORITY OF ASYLUM SEEKERS, it isn't about that at all. It's not illegal to claim asylum, that's a fair statement. The issue is that you have to have a reason to be given this asylum. Wanting an Australian lifestyle is not a good enough reason. Safety is. But if they wanted that they would stay in Indonesia. So obviously they want safety in a refuge of their choice. Preferably a nice 1st world country. There's an issue there. 1. They are seeking safety. Otherwise they wouldn't be granted asylum. 2. Indonesia is not a refugee convention signatory, and has no refugee framework. So they can't stay there, as by all means that makes it not safe, especially given Indonesia can and does deport refugees without assessment of the claim. Do we need to constantly rehash the same topics? Or will the day come when your thick head accepts facts?

You are right on one thing for once. We have gone over this a million times. This is true though. Many of these people will be assessed and will be going home. Particularly the trouble makers. You'll just have to deal with this Alevine. Then it will all mean nothing because people smuggling will no longer exist so there'll be nothing more to upset your sensibilities. :) :) :) :)

Morrison has proven himself to be a cold, cruel and calculating liar so until there is an independent investigation into this appalling abuse of human rights no one can believe a thing that comes from this hard line government.

FriYAY wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:27pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:15pm: woody2014 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:13pm: adelcrow wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:10pm: This is a new low even for Tony Abbott...the Libs are now beating asylum seekers to death. Pity they missed you pisshead >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( FWEDDY this is a new low for you. You wish to see a poster here dead? Disgusting. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( You’re mostly wastes of space now, blinded by hatred. It’s disturbing to watch the demented decent of some of you people. :(

descent. not decent.

tsk tsk.

And that again is NO EXCUSE TO WISH DEATH ON PEOPLE. Shameful!

Take you for example. I don't agree with ANYTHING you troll. But I respect your right to eat your biscuits.

The refugee convention was set up as a result of 1000's of Jews being returned to the Nazi's in the 30's.

Funny isn't, that several of those that scream illegal the loudest are also the 1st to cry foul if anyone criticizes Israel.

Irony?

Sparky wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:24pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:19pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:14pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:09pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:46pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:41pm: I just want to know one thing- when are Abbott and the boys going to make a start on the deportations? Seeing that a fair portion of these country shoppers  have committed  criminal offences in detention it shouldn't be a problem. Typical Sparky, ignoring the cause.  So let me get this straight. Firstly they illegally push their way into our country, then they riot and burn the crap out of our property and cause millions of dollars worth the damage. Then expect to be rewarded with a lifetimes supply of dole payments. If I wanted a golden ticket to get a lifetimes supply of dole payments I'd be on my best behaviour. What do they expect. They illegally push their way into our country? It's not illegal to claim asylum, and any person doing so is not only WITHIN THE LAW OF THIS COUNTRY, but is ALSO EXERCISING THEIR BASIC HUMAN RIGHT.  Do you need this in bigger font, as I simply can't fathome why nuffties can't understand this? It's not illegal to claim asylum, and any person doing so is not only WITHIN THE LAW OF THIS COUNTRY, but is ALSO EXERCISING THEIR BASIC HUMAN RIGHT. And not processing asylum claims as a result of maritime arrivals over other types of arrivals, is going against the refugee convention. And the question is WHY do people fleeing persecution who then get locked up in a cage end up going on a rampage? I think that one is easily answerable, but I'll let you use what's left of your capacity to work it out. And one more thing, Sparky, it isn't a golden ticket to be on the dole. I appreciate that people like you may wish to have a golden ticket to be on the dole, but for the vast majority, including the VAST, VAST, MAJORITY OF ASYLUM SEEKERS, it isn't about that at all. It's not illegal to claim asylum, that's a fair statement. The issue is that you have to have a reason to be given this asylum. Wanting an Australian lifestyle is not a good enough reason. Safety is. But if they wanted that they would stay in Indonesia. So obviously they want safety in a refuge of their choice. Preferably a nice 1st world country. There's an issue there. 1. They are seeking safety. Otherwise they wouldn't be granted asylum. 2. Indonesia is not a refugee convention signatory, and has no refugee framework. So they can't stay there, as by all means that makes it not safe, especially given Indonesia can and does deport refugees without assessment of the claim. Do we need to constantly rehash the same topics? Or will the day come when your thick head accepts facts? You are right on one thing for once. We have gone over this a million times. This is true though. Many of these people will be assessed and will be going home. Particularly the trouble makers. You'll just have to deal with this Alevine. Then it will all mean nothing because people smuggling will no longer exist so there'll be nothing more to upset your sensibilities. :) :) :) :)

Many? How many, is many?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:27pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:15pm: woody2014 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:13pm: adelcrow wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:10pm: This is a new low even for Tony Abbott...the Libs are now beating asylum seekers to death. Pity they missed you pisshead >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( FWEDDY this is a new low for you. You wish to see a poster here dead? Disgusting. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( You’re mostly wastes of space now, blinded by hatred. It’s disturbing to watch the demented decent of some of you people. :( descent. not decent. tsk tsk. And that again is NO EXCUSE TO WISH DEATH ON PEOPLE. Shameful! Take you for example. I don't agree with ANYTHING you troll.

;D ;D ;D

Yes you can't agree, but you know i'm right.

Do the right thing, say NO to people smuggling.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:30pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:24pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:19pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:14pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:09pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:46pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:41pm: I just want to know one thing- when are Abbott and the boys going to make a start on the deportations? Seeing that a fair portion of these country shoppers  have committed  criminal offences in detention it shouldn't be a problem. Typical Sparky, ignoring the cause.  So let me get this straight. Firstly they illegally push their way into our country, then they riot and burn the crap out of our property and cause millions of dollars worth the damage. Then expect to be rewarded with a lifetimes supply of dole payments. If I wanted a golden ticket to get a lifetimes supply of dole payments I'd be on my best behaviour. What do they expect. They illegally push their way into our country? It's not illegal to claim asylum, and any person doing so is not only WITHIN THE LAW OF THIS COUNTRY, but is ALSO EXERCISING THEIR BASIC HUMAN RIGHT.  Do you need this in bigger font, as I simply can't fathome why nuffties can't understand this? It's not illegal to claim asylum, and any person doing so is not only WITHIN THE LAW OF THIS COUNTRY, but is ALSO EXERCISING THEIR BASIC HUMAN RIGHT. And not processing asylum claims as a result of maritime arrivals over other types of arrivals, is going against the refugee convention. And the question is WHY do people fleeing persecution who then get locked up in a cage end up going on a rampage? I think that one is easily answerable, but I'll let you use what's left of your capacity to work it out. And one more thing, Sparky, it isn't a golden ticket to be on the dole. I appreciate that people like you may wish to have a golden ticket to be on the dole, but for the vast majority, including the VAST, VAST, MAJORITY OF ASYLUM SEEKERS, it isn't about that at all. It's not illegal to claim asylum, that's a fair statement. The issue is that you have to have a reason to be given this asylum. Wanting an Australian lifestyle is not a good enough reason. Safety is. But if they wanted that they would stay in Indonesia. So obviously they want safety in a refuge of their choice. Preferably a nice 1st world country. There's an issue there. 1. They are seeking safety. Otherwise they wouldn't be granted asylum. 2. Indonesia is not a refugee convention signatory, and has no refugee framework. So they can't stay there, as by all means that makes it not safe, especially given Indonesia can and does deport refugees without assessment of the claim. Do we need to constantly rehash the same topics? Or will the day come when your thick head accepts facts? You are right on one thing for once. We have gone over this a million times. This is true though. Many of these people will be assessed and will be going home. Particularly the trouble makers. You'll just have to deal with this Alevine. Then it will all mean nothing because people smuggling will no longer exist so there'll be nothing more to upset your sensibilities. :) :) :) :) Many? How many, is many?

Most. When they look into their cases and realise that this dude was a plumber from Pakistan with some made up BS about a crime gang coming after him OR this Lebanese dude just wanted to meet up with family in Lakemba it will sure thin out the ranks. You do have to have some proof to your claims you know. Old wars don't cut it either.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:30pm:

But on a serious note, you gain employment as an asylum seekers by learning English and obtaining a skill.

You idiot, under Howard country shoppers indeed had access to vocational and English lessons and were also allowed to work.

Under Labor the lessons were stopped, country shoppers were not allowed to work, the dole was stopped or given at a reduced rate to a select few.

It wasn't Liberals that legislated mandatory detention, annexed the mainland, stopped those lessons and work, stopped the dole, introduced the no advantage policy and exile to PNG solution.

And yet the luvvies howl at Liberals and call them racist?

That's why I consider luvvies clowns, they have no clue what the hell they are talking about. 

WHO encouraged them here in the first place???

WHO sent them to MANUS in the first place...?

WHO did a shonky deal with PNG in the first place..???

Datalife wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:40pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:30pm: But on a serious note, you gain employment as an asylum seekers by learning English and obtaining a skill. You idiot, under Howard country shoppers indeed had access to vocational and English lessons and were also allowed to work. Under Labor the lessons were stopped, country shoppers were not allowed to work, the dole was stopped or given at a reduced rate to a select few. It wasn't Liberals that legislated mandatory detention, annexed the mainland, stopped those lessons and work, stopped the dole, introduced the no advantage policy and exile to PNG solution. And yet the luvvies howl at Liberals and call them racist? That's why I consider luvvies clowns, they have no clue what the hell they are talking about.

Actually, if you see my comments above, and if you see my comments from 2007-2013, you will notice I said ALL GOVERNMENT POLICY.  Not just Liberals. Or Labor. But All. :)

You idiot.

My only gripe with the Liberals is the fact that they've gone a new low through military intervention and tow backs, and have extended the acceptability of dumbass wanker remarks such as "country shoppers" or "illegals" even though ALL the FACTS point in the completely opposite direction.  And not to mention having an absolute sociopath as immigrations minister.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

The refugee convention was set up as a result of 1000's of Jews being returned to the Nazi's in the 30's. Funny isn't, that several of those that scream illegal the loudest are also the 1st to cry foul if anyone criticizes Israel. Irony?

thats a bit of history I hadnt heard before.. who returned them.. just one country??.. were they German jews??..

what year was it if it was the NAZI"'s

cods wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

WHO encouraged them here in the first place??? WHO sent them to MANUS in the first place...? WHO did a shonky deal with PNG in the first place..???

Who has kept that policy?
Who has sent more to MANUS? And continues to send people to Manus?
Who wants to salvage as much as possible of that shonky deal?

Tsk tsk, cods. Partisanship really blinds you.

sherri wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

But they were definitely trying to establish that the Aust govt was responsible for their health and safety even while on those boats.

Let's be very clear on one thing: Any such petition against the government would have been wholly at the gratuitous urgings and coaching of pro bono Leftwing lawyers and their many little helpers ~ not the least of whom would be relatives and friends already living here in Australia, and savvy smartalecs from their Muslim community.

In the fullness of time these people will be sniffed out and dealt with for their treachery.

cods wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:32pm: The refugee convention was set up as a result of 1000's of Jews being returned to the Nazi's in the 30's. Funny isn't, that several of those that scream illegal the loudest are also the 1st to cry foul if anyone criticizes Israel. Irony? thats a bit of history I hadnt heard before.. who returned them.. just one country??.. were they German jews??.. what year was it if it was the NAZI"'s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis

ONE EXAMPLE.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:45pm:

sherri wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:56pm: But they were definitely trying to establish that the Aust govt was responsible for their health and safety even while on those boats. Let's be very clear on one thing: Any such petition against the government would have been wholly at the gratuitous urgings and coaching of pro bono Leftwing lawyers and their many little helpers ~ not the least of whom would be relatives and friends already living here in Australia, and savvy smartalecs from their Muslim community. In the fullness of time these people will be sniffed out and dealt with for their treachery.

tick tick tick?

adelcrow wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:31pm:

Morrison has proven himself to be a cold, cruel and calculating liar so until there is an independent investigation into this appalling abuse of human rights no one can believe a thing that comes from this hard line government.

;D ;D ;D

What an incredible rat's nest of traitors we have here on this forum. After 8 years on the Net I shouldn't be surprised, but I continue to wonder where you people learnt it's wrong to have any kind of protective and defensive attitude for preserving the sort of society your fathers and grandfathers fought and died for.

You people really are a damned disgrace. 

Sparky wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

Many? How many, is many?

Most. When they look into their cases and realise that this dude was a plumber from Pakistan with some made up BS about a crime gang coming after him OR this Lebanese dude just wanted to meet up with family in Lakemba it will sure thin out the ranks. You do have to have some proof to your claims you know. Old wars don't cut it either.
[/quote]
;D  Yes, you have to have proof of claims.

And between 70% and 97% were proven to be genuine refugees.

The plumbers from Pakistan (although your job doesn't automatically disqualify you from being an asylum seeker, nor the country of origin) were already being sent back. The Lebanese dude (again origin doesn't disqualify) who just wanted to meet up with family in Lakemba also was deported.

So what makes you think that this number will somehow decrease now that the merry band of imbeciles is in charge?

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:31pm: Morrison has proven himself to be a cold, cruel and calculating liar so until there is an independent investigation into this appalling abuse of human rights no one can believe a thing that comes from this hard line government. ;D ;D ;D What an incredible rat's nest of traitors we have here on this forum. After 8 years on the Net I shouldn't be surprised, but I continue to wonder where you people learnt it's wrong to have any kind of protective and defensive attitude for preserving the sort of society your fathers and grandfathers fought and died for. You people really are a damned disgrace.

we are trying to preserve a society that people fought for. Thats why we are against imbeciles like you :)

tick tick tick?

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:31pm: Morrison has proven himself to be a cold, cruel and calculating liar so until there is an independent investigation into this appalling abuse of human rights no one can believe a thing that comes from this hard line government. ;D ;D ;D What an incredible rat's nest of traitors we have here on this forum. After 8 years on the Net I shouldn't be surprised, but I continue to wonder where you people learnt it's wrong to have any kind of protective and defensive attitude for preserving the sort of society your fathers and grandfathers fought and died for. You people really are a damned disgrace.

That's a great post. It's because they don't like us.

Like imprisoning refugees in a mosquito infested hell hole surrounded by PNG thugs and rapists wasn't going to create problems.
Hey...Abbott decided to use the world wide movement of refugees as a political weapon so he is responsible for every death and injury that occurs at offshore refugee prisons.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:38pm: Many? How many, is many? Most. When they look into their cases and realise that this dude was a plumber from Pakistan with some made up BS about a crime gang coming after him OR this Lebanese dude just wanted to meet up with family in Lakemba it will sure thin out the ranks. You do have to have some proof to your claims you know. Old wars don't cut it either.

;D  Yes, you have to have proof of claims.

And between 70% and 97% were proven to be genuine refugees.

The plumbers from Pakistan (although your job doesn't automatically disqualify you from being an asylum seeker, nor the country of origin) were already being sent back. The Lebanese dude (again origin doesn't disqualify) who just wanted to meet up with family in Lakemba also was deported.

So what makes you think that this number will somehow decrease now that the merry band of imbeciles is in charge?[/quote]It will decrease because the people in charge have a different idea of what an asylum seeker is. A party of Sarah Hanson Young types with a network of bleeding heart legal slimeballs making a killing will surely give anybody a 90% figure.

cods wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:32pm: The refugee convention was set up as a result of 1000's of Jews being returned to the Nazi's in the 30's. Funny isn't, that several of those that scream illegal the loudest are also the 1st to cry foul if anyone criticizes Israel. Irony? thats a bit of history I hadnt heard before.. who returned them.. just one country??.. were they German jews??.. what year was it if it was the NAZI"'s

"None are as blind as those who refuse to see" eh Cods


Quote:

Horrific events in the year 1938 caused a dramatic increase in Jewish emigration from Nazi Germany. The Anschluss—the annexation of Austria in March; a sharp jump in personal assaults on Jews during the spring and summer; the nationwide Kristallnacht (Night of Broken Glass) pogrom in November; and the subsequent seizure of Jewish assets caused a flood of visas applications. Approximately 36,000 Jews left Germany and Austria in 1938, and 77,000 in 1939. This outflow created a major refugee crisis. Summoned by the US in 1938, 32 countries met in Evian, France ostensibly to address the problem. However, little was offered by the conference except excuses for not accepting the desperate German and Austrian refugees. Furthermore, the gathering’s scope was limited to the two offending countries despite the fact that throughout east central Europe the situation facing the Jewish population was rapidly becoming untenable. The Roosevelt administration claimed it was restricted by its quota system. Britain, Canada, Belgium, the Netherlands, Switzerland and others argued that high unemployment levels prevented absorption of refugees. Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Mexico and Peru were among the countries that stated their unwillingness to accept any more “non-Aryan” immigrants. Australia’s representative hypocritically declared: “It will no doubt be appreciated that as we have no real racial problem, we are not desirous of importing one by encouraging any scheme of large scale migration.”

Suggested viewing  - Shanghai Ghetto, a feature-length documentary,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXU9W41mSb4

The more things change the more they stay the same :-/

Sparky wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:51pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:38pm: Many? How many, is many? Most. When they look into their cases and realise that this dude was a plumber from Pakistan with some made up BS about a crime gang coming after him OR this Lebanese dude just wanted to meet up with family in Lakemba it will sure thin out the ranks. You do have to have some proof to your claims you know. Old wars don't cut it either. ;D  Yes, you have to have proof of claims. And between 70% and 97% were proven to be genuine refugees. The plumbers from Pakistan (although your job doesn't automatically disqualify you from being an asylum seeker, nor the country of origin) were already being sent back. The Lebanese dude (again origin doesn't disqualify) who just wanted to meet up with family in Lakemba also was deported. So what makes you think that this number will somehow decrease now that the merry band of imbeciles is in charge?

It will decrease because the people in charge have a different idea of what an asylum seeker is. A party of Sarah Hanson Young types with a network of bleeding heart legal slimeballs making a killing will surely give anybody a 90% figure.
[/quote]

Actually the definition of what an asylum seeker is hasn't, and will not, change, with this government.  Because these claims are assessed under the refugee convention, which the government has no control over.

Sparky wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:53pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:51pm: adelcrow wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:31pm: Morrison has proven himself to be a cold, cruel and calculating liar so until there is an independent investigation into this appalling abuse of human rights no one can believe a thing that comes from this hard line government. ;D ;D ;D What an incredible rat's nest of traitors we have here on this forum. After 8 years on the Net I shouldn't be surprised, but I continue to wonder where you people learnt it's wrong to have any kind of protective and defensive attitude for preserving the sort of society your fathers and grandfathers fought and died for. You people really are a damned disgrace.  That's a great post. It's because they don't like us.

If I had the money I would personally finance a Royal Commission into the leftwing thinking that has taken over the mindset of so many of our gen-x and gen-y post-war offspring.

Someone has been poisoning the well. Someone has been disseminating the idea that Australia is a grab-bag free-for-all for people of whatever cultural and religious background who want to come swanning in and crowding out the locals in their own generational suburbs.

The main culprits in my opinion?

Schools ... universities ... leftwing television and print media.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 4:01pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:53pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:51pm: adelcrow wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:31pm: Morrison has proven himself to be a cold, cruel and calculating liar so until there is an independent investigation into this appalling abuse of human rights no one can believe a thing that comes from this hard line government. ;D ;D ;D What an incredible rat's nest of traitors we have here on this forum. After 8 years on the Net I shouldn't be surprised, but I continue to wonder where you people learnt it's wrong to have any kind of protective and defensive attitude for preserving the sort of society your fathers and grandfathers fought and died for. You people really are a damned disgrace.  That's a great post. It's because they don't like us. If I had the money I would personally finance a Royal Commission into the leftwing thinking that has taken over the mindset of so many of our gen-x and gen-y post-war offspring. Someone has been poisoning the well. Someone has been disseminating the idea that Australia is a grab-bag free-for-all for people of whatever cultural and religious background who wants to come swanning in and crowding out the locals in their own generational suburbs. The main culprits in my opinion? School ... universities ... leftwing television and print media.

tick tick tick BOOM.

:D

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

tick tick tick BOOM. :D

Funny you should say that.

Question: Which Australian party initiated the opening up of Muslim immigration to Australia?

'tick tick tick BOOM' indeed.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 4:06pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:02pm: tick tick tick BOOM. :D Funny you should say that. Question: Which Australian party initiated the opening up of Muslim immigration to Australia? 'tick tick tick BOOM' indeed.

No party opened up "Muslim" immigration, but hey I'll play along with your thick-head thinking.

Lets see, using your stereotypes Muslims are Arabs, which party turned a virtually secular Arab state into a basket case of death & terrorism?

John Winston Howard Liberal Leader 95 to 07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DTaC5YALBo

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 4:12pm:

No party opened up "Muslim" immigration, but hey I'll play along with your thick-head thinking. Lets see, using your stereotypes Muslims are Arabs, which party turned a virtually secular Arab state into a basket case of death & terrorism? John Winston Howard Liberal Leader 95 to 07

Lucky that US and britain didn't have anything to do with it like when they decided to invade iraq, otherwise that statement would make you look like a moron.


Because it was the major players in that war that made the decisions to invade not Australia, howard was his usual p1ssant self and just followed in behind like a good little lapdog.


BTW iraq wasn't the secular pinnicle pf happiness as you are trying to make out, no murderous dictatorship is.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 4:12pm:

Lets see, using your stereotypes Muslims are Arabs, which party turned a virtually secular Arab state into a basket case of death & terrorism?

Now, now, let's not be naughty and make little tactical omissions, okay?

So! Let's flesh-out your sentence so it reads a little more correctly, shall we?

Take Two:


Quote:

"... which party turned a virtually secular Arab state into a basket case of Islamic sectarian death & terrorism in which thousands have been killed and mutilated because they were no longer living under the heel of a Police State dictatorship?"

Can you really not think this for yourself, dsmithy? Is it a Bridge-too-Far for your brain to handle such simple commonsense?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

cods wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:44pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:32pm: The refugee convention was set up as a result of 1000's of Jews being returned to the Nazi's in the 30's. Funny isn't, that several of those that scream illegal the loudest are also the 1st to cry foul if anyone criticizes Israel. Irony? thats a bit of history I hadnt heard before.. who returned them.. just one country??.. were they German jews??.. what year was it if it was the NAZI"'s "None are as blind as those who refuse to see" eh Cods Quote: Horrific events in the year 1938 caused a dramatic increase in Jewish emigration from Nazi Germany. The Anschluss—the annexation of Austria in March; a sharp jump in personal assaults on Jews during the spring and summer; the nationwide Kristallnacht (Night of Broken Glass) pogrom in November; and the subsequent seizure of Jewish assets caused a flood of visas applications. Approximately 36,000 Jews left Germany and Austria in 1938, and 77,000 in 1939. This outflow created a major refugee crisis. Summoned by the US in 1938, 32 countries met in Evian, France ostensibly to address the problem. However, little was offered by the conference except excuses for not accepting the desperate German and Austrian refugees. Furthermore, the gathering’s scope was limited to the two offending countries despite the fact that throughout east central Europe the situation facing the Jewish population was rapidly becoming untenable. The Roosevelt administration claimed it was restricted by its quota system. Britain, Canada, Belgium, the Netherlands, Switzerland and others argued that high unemployment levels prevented absorption of refugees. Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Mexico and Peru were among the countries that stated their unwillingness to accept any more “non-Aryan” immigrants. Australia’s representative hypocritically declared: “It will no doubt be appreciated that as we have no real racial problem, we are not desirous of importing one by encouraging any scheme of large scale migration.” Suggested viewing  - Shanghai Ghetto, a feature-length documentary, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXU9W41mSb4 The more things change the more they stay the same :-/

I didnt say it didnt happen as I knew of the mass wandering jews...however I didnt know ABOUT THEM BEING SENT BACK TO GERMANY..

and I still dont know who sent them back..

pardon my ignorance... for asking.?... and your ignorance for not explaining... WHO.

I have read where many Jews left Germany before WW11..and settled very well in their chosen country..

did they have selective settlement in those days as well?...

jews held a lot of the wealthy in Germany before the war.. and most I am sure wanted to keep that wealth....as it is hasnt German y paid one hell of a price to the Jews for what they did to them?..

maybe thats showing my ignorance as well.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:31pm: Morrison has proven himself to be a cold, cruel and calculating liar so until there is an independent investigation into this appalling abuse of human rights no one can believe a thing that comes from this hard line government. ;D ;D ;D What an incredible rat's nest of traitors we have here on this forum. After 8 years on the Net I shouldn't be surprised, but I continue to wonder where you people learnt it's wrong to have any kind of protective and defensive attitude for preserving the sort of society your fathers and grandfathers fought and died for. You people really are a damned disgrace.

wow well said herb.... but they dont see it.

encouraging people to be bashed to death on rocks... wasnt  cruel or cold... ::) ::) ::) it was being nice and warm and fuzzy. lab style.

Even after the war when the truth was known about Auschwitz, Dachau etc—desperate Jews still couldn’t places to take them.

cods wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:59pm: cods wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:44pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:32pm: The refugee convention was set up as a result of 1000's of Jews being returned to the Nazi's in the 30's. Funny isn't, that several of those that scream illegal the loudest are also the 1st to cry foul if anyone criticizes Israel. Irony? thats a bit of history I hadnt heard before.. who returned them.. just one country??.. were they German jews??.. what year was it if it was the NAZI"'s "None are as blind as those who refuse to see" eh Cods Quote: Horrific events in the year 1938 caused a dramatic increase in Jewish emigration from Nazi Germany. The Anschluss—the annexation of Austria in March; a sharp jump in personal assaults on Jews during the spring and summer; the nationwide Kristallnacht (Night of Broken Glass) pogrom in November; and the subsequent seizure of Jewish assets caused a flood of visas applications. Approximately 36,000 Jews left Germany and Austria in 1938, and 77,000 in 1939. This outflow created a major refugee crisis. Summoned by the US in 1938, 32 countries met in Evian, France ostensibly to address the problem. However, little was offered by the conference except excuses for not accepting the desperate German and Austrian refugees. Furthermore, the gathering’s scope was limited to the two offending countries despite the fact that throughout east central Europe the situation facing the Jewish population was rapidly becoming untenable. The Roosevelt administration claimed it was restricted by its quota system. Britain, Canada, Belgium, the Netherlands, Switzerland and others argued that high unemployment levels prevented absorption of refugees. Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Mexico and Peru were among the countries that stated their unwillingness to accept any more “non-Aryan” immigrants. Australia’s representative hypocritically declared: “It will no doubt be appreciated that as we have no real racial problem, we are not desirous of importing one by encouraging any scheme of large scale migration.” Suggested viewing  - Shanghai Ghetto, a feature-length documentary, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXU9W41mSb4 The more things change the more they stay the same :-/ I didnt say it didnt happen as I knew of the mass wandering jews...however I didnt know ABOUT THEM BEING SENT BACK TO GERMANY.. and I still dont know who sent them back.. pardon my ignorance... for asking.?... and your ignorance for not explaining... WHO. I have read where many Jews left Germany before WW11..and settled very well in their chosen country.. did they have selective settlement in those days as well?... jews held a lot of the wealthy in Germany before the war.. and most I am sure wanted to keep that wealth....as it is hasnt German y paid one hell of a price to the Jews for what they did to them?.. maybe thats showing my ignorance as well.

You obviously didn't read the link I gave you.  That's blatant ignorance.

It shouldn't be forgotten that none of these countries had the 20-20 hindsight that we have today about the ultimate fate that lay in store for the Jews and others.

No one suspected a genocide was in the planning.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

It shouldn't be forgotten that none of these countries had the 20-20 hindsight that we have today about the ultimate fate that lay in store for the Jews and others. No one suspected a genocide was in the planning.

And we have 20-20 hindsight that simply sending back asylum seekers without processing their claims won't result in their death?

Proof please.

Tick tick tick tick herb.  Tick tick tick.

!500 to 1. Does SIEV X not count or something.
1500 to 354. There, fixed.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 4:21pm:

Lucky that US and britain didn't have anything to do with it like when they decided to invade iraq, otherwise that statement would make you look like a moron. Because it was the major players in that war that made the decisions to invade not Australia, howard was his usual p1ssant self and just followed in behind like a good little lapdog. BTW iraq wasn't the secular pinnicle pf happiness as you are trying to make out, no murderous dictatorship is.

We weren't debating how or even why Iraq was invaded, Herbert asked which party(Australian I assumed as thats where we are) caused Islamic migration.
Now up until 9/11 and its consequences I'd lay money our largest migration of assylum seekers were Chinese/Tibetian/Tamil, with a smattering of Iranian, Hazarah & Iraqi's.

The party that increased Islamic asslyum is as you rightly point out was as I said Howard and the Libs playing deputy.

And I never made out it was a secular paradise as you try and put words in my mouth
, however seeing we just fought a war for over a decade against fundalmental Islam you think a nation that despised radical clerics and organisations would not be a high prioity target.

As Rumsfield said a few years before 9/11 whilst delivering the gas to use against their then bogymen Iran
"He's a Bastard, but his OUR Bastard"



Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

Quote: "... which party turned a virtually secular Arab state into a basket case of Islamic sectarian death & terrorism in which thousands have been killed and mutilated because they were no longer living under the heel of a Police State dictatorship?"

A. I believe they have actually asked Iraqi's and the vast majority prefer Saddam to the current situation
B. So you agree that Liberals and their adventures with other peoples lives increase Islamic migration?


cods wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

pardon my ignorance... for asking.?

Sorry Cods I didn't mean to be rude but I found it hard to believe you didn't know this.
You might also look up the league of nations who 1st floated this idea( of asylum) and you'll find that Australia was actually a driving force behind it.
Ironic considering todays politics :(

https://newmatilda.com//2014/02/18/how-much-longer-will-madness-continue


Quote:

In any kind of functioning democracy, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison would now resign. As the minister in charge of this evil charade, under Westminster conventions he is ultimately the person who needs to take responsibility. This is the course of action that the Coalition demanded of Labor’s Peter Garrett when four insulation installers – in the private sector, mind you, with no direct chain of command to the minister – died in 2009. Of course, Morrison won’t resign. He has already demonstrated a surpassing moral flexibility when it comes to manipulating public sentiment for political gain. And even the refugee lobby recognises that harsh measures against asylum seekers are popular in the community. Such are the dark consequences of a decade-long campaign of dehumanisation, against innocent people, for the benefit of politicians and shock jocks

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 8:32pm:

https://newmatilda.com//2014/02/18/how-much-longer-will-madness-continue Quote: In any kind of functioning democracy, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison would now resign. As the minister in charge of this evil charade, under Westminster conventions he is ultimately the person who needs to take responsibility. This is the course of action that the Coalition demanded of Labor’s Peter Garrett when four insulation installers – in the private sector, mind you, with no direct chain of command to the minister – died in 2009. Of course, Morrison won’t resign. He has already demonstrated a surpassing moral flexibility when it comes to manipulating public sentiment for political gain. And even the refugee lobby recognises that harsh measures against asylum seekers are popular in the community. Such are the dark consequences of a decade-long campaign of dehumanisation, against innocent people, for the benefit of politicians and shock jocks

spot on.

You can't get much further left than New Matilda. It's basically the Bolt Report, but just swings the other direction.

crocodile wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

!500 to 1. Does SIEV X not count or something. 1500 to 354. There, fixed.

Get with them times - Howard's no longer PM

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 9:39pm:

You can't get much further left than New Matilda. It's basically the Bolt Report, but just swings the other direction.

and yet it's spot on.

Maqqa wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 9:43pm:

crocodile wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 7:55pm: !500 to 1. Does SIEV X not count or something. 1500 to 354. There, fixed. Get with them times - Howard's no longer PM

Specific eras were not mentioned by the OP.

Maqqa wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 10:38am:

lol PN I've been overseas on assignment - pretty hectic with work Even in the lounges I didn't have time to login too much Just back for a couple of weeks then off again in early March How are things

Me too!

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 7:34pm: It shouldn't be forgotten that none of these countries had the 20-20 hindsight that we have today about the ultimate fate that lay in store for the Jews and others. No one suspected a genocide was in the planning. And we have 20-20 hindsight that simply sending back asylum seekers without processing their claims won't result in their death? Proof please. Tick tick tick tick herb.  Tick tick tick.

No one is sending them back.

There are UN-run asylum camps in Indonesia and all over the world where these country-shoppers will find sanction.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 7:36pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 7:34pm: It shouldn't be forgotten that none of these countries had the 20-20 hindsight that we have today about the ultimate fate that lay in store for the Jews and others. No one suspected a genocide was in the planning. And we have 20-20 hindsight that simply sending back asylum seekers without processing their claims won't result in their death? Proof please. Tick tick tick tick herb.  Tick tick tick. No one is sending them back. There are UN-run asylum camps in Indonesia and all over the world where these country-shoppers will find sanction.

I would be interested to know how many are muslims.. and why they choose NOT to make their home in Indonesia... the largest muslim country on the planet..

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 9:08pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:32pm: https://newmatilda.com//2014/02/18/how-much-longer-will-madness-continue Quote: In any kind of functioning democracy, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison would now resign. As the minister in charge of this evil charade, under Westminster conventions he is ultimately the person who needs to take responsibility. This is the course of action that the Coalition demanded of Labor’s Peter Garrett when four insulation installers – in the private sector, mind you, with no direct chain of command to the minister – died in 2009. Of course, Morrison won’t resign. He has already demonstrated a surpassing moral flexibility when it comes to manipulating public sentiment for political gain. And even the refugee lobby recognises that harsh measures against asylum seekers are popular in the community. Such are the dark consequences of a decade-long campaign of dehumanisation, against innocent people, for the benefit of politicians and shock jocks spot on.

I love it when lefties call for a Lib to resign...yet supported the likes of Craig Thomson through thick and thin...even down to paying his court costs so he could remain on the parliamentary pay roll...

just gorgeous. ::) ::)

funny how this has been going on for 6 looooooooooooog years yet Matilda didnt find a thing wrong with it..

what did Matilda say about the over 1000 who died trying to get here after paying a fortune to people smugglers......did she cry , SACK THE MINISTER THEN????

Seriously the level of stupid/denial-ism/head in the sand just gets bigger everyday



cods wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:02am:

I would be interested to know how many are muslims.. and why they choose NOT to make their home in Indonesia... the largest muslim country on the planet..

Because as you've been told several times a day for the past 6 years, Indo is not a signatory to the refo convention, meaning they don't grant asylum & for people to settle there they to immigrate which requires government paperwork & approval from Indo.


cods wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:13am:

I love it when lefties call for a Lib to resign...

And yet you want to continue to claim the superior moral high ground for your party.
And how does cods do that?
By rationalizing that if someone else does it, its OK for her guys to do it.
As the quite correct quote says if you want to hold Rudd/Garrett responsible for private enterprise you then must hold the minister responsible for a GOVERNMENT enterprise.


But who cares the Westminster system died about 97.

cods wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:02am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:05am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 7:36pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 7:34pm: It shouldn't be forgotten that none of these countries had the 20-20 hindsight that we have today about the ultimate fate that lay in store for the Jews and others. No one suspected a genocide was in the planning. And we have 20-20 hindsight that simply sending back asylum seekers without processing their claims won't result in their death? Proof please. Tick tick tick tick herb.  Tick tick tick. No one is sending them back. There are UN-run asylum camps in Indonesia and all over the world where these country-shoppers will find sanction. I would be interested to know how many are muslims.. and why they choose NOT to make their home in Indonesia... the largest muslim country on the planet..

I am going to hope this gets absorbed by you, as it's been said OVER AND OVER again.  Seriously cods, I said it before and I'll say it again, your type is the reason we have dictators in the world. 

Indonesia is NOT a signatory to the Refugee Convention. There is NO Refugee Framework.  Asylum Seekers ARE considered ILLEGAL in Indonesia. They Can't seek safety in Indonesia.

The above also goes for any imbecile who continues to call someone a country shopper because they use Indonesia as a transit country. You clearly have no idea.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 7:36pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 7:34pm: It shouldn't be forgotten that none of these countries had the 20-20 hindsight that we have today about the ultimate fate that lay in store for the Jews and others. No one suspected a genocide was in the planning. And we have 20-20 hindsight that simply sending back asylum seekers without processing their claims won't result in their death? Proof please. Tick tick tick tick herb.  Tick tick tick. No one is sending them back. There are UN-run asylum camps in Indonesia and all over the world where these country-shoppers will find sanction.

Majority of asylum seekers do not reigster with the UNHCR and the UNCHR itself is limited in its funding. In fact, this year's budget for Indonesia is $8 million, to assist in total probably around 10,000 asylum seekers/refugees (as was the case last year). 

So, if you increase the strain on these camps, what do you think will happen?
tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock.

cods wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:13am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:08pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:32pm: https://newmatilda.com//2014/02/18/how-much-longer-will-madness-continue Quote: In any kind of functioning democracy, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison would now resign. As the minister in charge of this evil charade, under Westminster conventions he is ultimately the person who needs to take responsibility. This is the course of action that the Coalition demanded of Labor’s Peter Garrett when four insulation installers – in the private sector, mind you, with no direct chain of command to the minister – died in 2009. Of course, Morrison won’t resign. He has already demonstrated a surpassing moral flexibility when it comes to manipulating public sentiment for political gain. And even the refugee lobby recognises that harsh measures against asylum seekers are popular in the community. Such are the dark consequences of a decade-long campaign of dehumanisation, against innocent people, for the benefit of politicians and shock jocks spot on. I love it when lefties call for a Lib to resign...yet supported the likes of Craig Thomson through thick and thin...even down to paying his court costs so he could remain on the parliamentary pay roll... just gorgeous. ::) ::) funny how this has been going on for 6 looooooooooooog years yet Matilda didnt find a thing wrong with it.. what did Matilda say about the over 1000 who died trying to get here after paying a fortune to people smugglers......did she cry , SACK THE MINISTER THEN????

There was no support for Craig Thomson, but only anger at Tony trying to be prosecute a criminal case in parliament.  The case should've always gone to the police to investigate, no the Libs to use as political point scoring and derail the parliament for over a year. 

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:16am:

Indonesia is NOT a signatory to the Refugee Convention. There is NO Refugee Convention.  Asylum Seekers ARE considered ILLEGAL in Indonesia. They Can't seek safety in Indonesia.

Not true at all. There's no time limit for incoming country-shoppers to stay in Indonesia. They are never put back on a plane and sent home. UN refugee workers meet-and-greet these 'economic migrants' (Foreign Minister Bob Carr) ~ and escort them to camps where they have free food etc. They enjoy de facto unlimited sanction in Indonesia ~ supported by UN agencies.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:28am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:16am: Indonesia is NOT a signatory to the Refugee Convention. There is NO Refugee Convention.  Asylum Seekers ARE considered ILLEGAL in Indonesia. They Can't seek safety in Indonesia. Not true at all. There's no time limit for incoming country-shoppers to stay in Indonesia. They are never put back on a plane and sent home. UN refugee workers meet-and-greet these 'economic migrants' (Foreign Minister Bob Carr) ~ and escort them to camps where they have free food etc. They enjoy de facto unlimited sanction in Indonesia ~ supported by UN agencies.

I'm glad you decided to lower the size of your stupid statement.  UNHCR helped 10,000 refugees last year in Indonesia. Yet it's estimated that there are over 100,000 asylum seekers in Indonesia.  Tell me, what happens with the ones that UNHCR doesn't get to?  Are they able to work? Are their kids able to get an education? Are they free to walk the streets? Do they get arrested? Do they stand the chance of being deported, without their claim assessed?


Quote:

The reality is that only a small proportion of asylum seekers are registered with the UNHCR and only 11 per cent of asylum claims were registered with the UNHCR in 2011.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/AsylumFacts#_Toc348096467

http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/page?page=49e488116

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:36am:

UNHCR helped 10,000 refugees last year in Indonesia. Yet it's estimated that there are over 100,000 asylum seekers in Indonesia.

100,000 in Indonesia by courtesy of the Indonesian government. Guess whose responsibility these '100,000' are for not turning them back at the airports?

For how many years have the Indonesians been welcoming these people off the planes knowing full well they have arrived to grease the palms of the people smugglers and corrupt officials?

Abbott said it best: "If the Australian government knew that thousands of people were landing at our airports to hire smugglers to take them to Indonesia ~ this would very promptly be stopped".

That was a clear message to Jakarta that the Australian government regards them as conspirators in an illegal people-smuggling trade. 


sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:36am:

Do they stand the chance of being deported, without their claim assessed?

We can only hope so. 'Refugees' ~ my arse.

Give them refuge in PNG from tyranny, genocide, torture and persecution from their persecutors ~ and hundreds of them go on a violent rampage at one of our transit camps.

Conclusion? It's a case of a bunch of fraudulent economic migrants going ballistic because personal safety is the least of their worries back home ~ it's all about tapping into the First World standard of living.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:58am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:36am: UNHCR helped 10,000 refugees last year in Indonesia. Yet it's estimated that there are over 100,000 asylum seekers in Indonesia. 100,000 in Indonesia by courtesy of the Indonesian government. Guess whose responsibility these '100,000' are for not turning them back at the airports? For how many years have the Indonesians been welcoming these people off the planes knowing full well they have arrived to grease the hands of people smugglers and corrupt officials? Abbott said it best: "If the Australian government knew that thousands of people were landing at our airports to hire smugglers to take them to Indonesia ~ this would very promptly be stopped". That was a clear message to Jakarta that the Australian government regards them as conspirators in an illegal people-smuggling trade.  sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:36am: Do they stand the chance of being deported, without their claim assessed? We can only hope so. 'Refugees' ~ my arse. Give them refuge in PNG from tyranny, genocide, torture and persecution from their persecutors ~ and hundreds of them go on a violent rampage at one of our transit camps. Conclusion? It's a case of a bunch of fraudulent economic migrants going ballistic because personal safety is the least of their worries back home ~ it's all about tapping into the First World standard of living.

So there we go, clearly you've just shown all of us that you have no 20-20 hindsight on sending people back, meaning smithy's point that history is repeating itself is exactly correct.

Thanks for playing. tick tock tick tock.

52 Muslim-majority countries in the world, and yet these cynical opportunists make a bee-line for western Infidel-majority First World countries.

Australia needs to beef-up its Muslim population like London needs more immigrant Blacks to help maintain it as the Murder Capital of Europe.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:06am:

52 Muslim-majority countries in the world, and yet these cynical opportunists make a bee-line for western Infidel-majority First World countries. Australia needs to beef-up its Muslim population like London needs more immigrant Blacks to help maintain it as the Murder Capital of Europe.

Actually what we need less of is narcissistic imbeciles who don't understand how to process factual information, and instead use blatant bias and fear to form an opinion. 

At the height of the "boat arrivals" we had 50,000 people.  From what, over 16 million? In the grand scheme of things, Lebanon, Jordan and IRan house the majority of Syrian refugees. Pakistan houses the majority of Afghani refugees, and now has its own problems as a result of the world not giving a care about the situations.  And when people flee from fear of persecution, they flee. Sometimes their path leads them to Pakistan. Other times to a European country. Other times to Indonesia/Malaysia and then to Australia. But there is no resounding difference, as an asylum seeker is an asylum seeker.

tick tock tick tock.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:06am:

western Infidel-majority First World countries

Pakistan, Syria Iran and Jordan house over half of the worlds refugees at last count. 

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 9:06am: 52 Muslim-majority countries in the world, and yet these cynical opportunists make a bee-line for western Infidel-majority First World countries. Australia needs to beef-up its Muslim population like London needs more immigrant Blacks to help maintain it as the Murder Capital of Europe. Actually what we need less of is narcissistic imbeciles who don't understand how to process factual information, and instead use blatant bias and fear to form an opinion.  At the height of the "boat arrivals" we had 50,000 people.  From what, over 16 million? In the grand scheme of things, Lebanon, Jordan and IRan house the majority of Syrian refugees. Pakistan houses the majority of Afghani refugees, and now has its own problems as a result of the world not giving a care about the situations.  And when people flee from fear of persecution, they flee. Sometimes their path leads them to Pakistan. Other times to a European country. Other times to Indonesia/Malaysia and then to Australia. But there is no resounding difference, as an asylum seeker is an asylum seeker. tick tock tick tock.

So what's wrong with them staying as guest of the Indonesian government until they can return to their homelands when the threat has passed? Indonesia is happy to have them camped amongst them for as long as they like ... with meanwhile they are fed and cared for by the UN and other aid agencies.

And PNG? Nice safe place to stay until they can return back to their homelands.

Stratos wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 9:06am: western Infidel-majority First World countries Pakistan, Syria Iran and Jordan house over half of the worlds refugees at last count.

Yes ~ 'house' them in refugee camps, but NOT give them citizenship rights to remain there forever as we do.

See the difference?

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 9:17am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 9:06am: 52 Muslim-majority countries in the world, and yet these cynical opportunists make a bee-line for western Infidel-majority First World countries. Australia needs to beef-up its Muslim population like London needs more immigrant Blacks to help maintain it as the Murder Capital of Europe. Actually what we need less of is narcissistic imbeciles who don't understand how to process factual information, and instead use blatant bias and fear to form an opinion.  At the height of the "boat arrivals" we had 50,000 people.  From what, over 16 million? In the grand scheme of things, Lebanon, Jordan and IRan house the majority of Syrian refugees. Pakistan houses the majority of Afghani refugees, and now has its own problems as a result of the world not giving a care about the situations.  And when people flee from fear of persecution, they flee. Sometimes their path leads them to Pakistan. Other times to a European country. Other times to Indonesia/Malaysia and then to Australia. But there is no resounding difference, as an asylum seeker is an asylum seeker. tick tock tick tock. So what's wrong with them staying as guest of the Indonesian government until they can return to their homelands when the threat has passed? Indonesia is happy to have them camped amongst them for as long as they like ... with meanwhile they are fed and cared for by the UN and other aid agencies. And PNG? Nice safe place to stay until they can return back to their homelands.

Oh wow, I think I'm going to go with Smithy on this. You lot are just insane, and there is no point debating an idiot who doesn't read.

http://berwickhomeloans.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/head-in-the-sand.jpg

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

And PNG? Nice safe place to stay until they can return back to their homelands.

Let's see what Australians are told about PNG shall we?

http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/Papua_New_Guinea

nice safe place huh?  One of your densest comments yet Herbert

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

Actually what we need less of is narcissistic imbeciles who don't understand how to process factual information, and instead use blatant bias and fear to form an opinion.  At the height of the "boat arrivals" we had 50,000 people.  From what, over 16 million?

So you want to "compare numbers" - let us compare numbers

The 50,000 you've quoted are illegal arrivals by boat to Australia - which is 65,000 btw

The 16 million is based on a world wide total estimate of actual refugees - therefore comparing that to Australia makes no sense other than to divert attention away from the illegal entrance

Like always your argument is grossly flawed just like the side you support

Maqqa wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:49am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 9:17am: Actually what we need less of is narcissistic imbeciles who don't understand how to process factual information, and instead use blatant bias and fear to form an opinion.  At the height of the "boat arrivals" we had 50,000 people.  From what, over 16 million? So you want to "compare numbers" - let us compare numbers The 50,000 you've quoted are illegal arrivals by boat to Australia - which is 65,000 btw The 16 million is based on a world wide total estimate of actual refugees - therefore comparing that to Australia makes no sense other than to divert attention away from the illegal entrance Like always your argument is grossly flawed just like the side you support

so your claim is that 50,000 are not genuine refugees? I'll bite - lets use the figures from the Rudd/Gillard era of 97% of claims processed as genuine refugees.  That would mean out of 50,000 who arrived, 48500 were genuine. 

Like I said, we need less imbeciles. Maqqa, please deport yourself. :)  It's for the good of the nation and our economy ;)

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

That would mean out of 50,000 who arrived, 48500 were genuine.

Actually, under the previous government those who were found to be not genuine were returned.

Stratos wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:01am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:00am: That would mean out of 50,000 who arrived, 48500 were genuine. Actually, under the previous government those who were found to be not genuine were returned.

That's right. 

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52 Muslim countries in the world. Plenty of places FAR more suited to their 7th century mindset.