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Title: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:57pm
How many female appointments has this government made?
Cabinet - 1 woman. GG - Male. Oz High Commissioner to London - Downer (likes to wear stockings and high heels) Australian Consul General to New York - male royal commission into unions - male royal commission into the pink batts - male Commission of Audit - 1 female (Amanda Vanstone), 4 males Inquiry into the Renewables Target - male. Does our misogynist PM really believe that no "women of calibre" exist? |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by adelcrow on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:00pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:57pm:
Science Minister? :D |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:01pm adelcrow wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:00pm:
pfffttt, what for? Who needs science? |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:01pm
It seems to me, the men in blue ties are truly back!
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Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by adelcrow on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:05pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
Na ...the man in Red Speedos is back :D |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by aquascoot on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:06pm
I think SHY and milne have put back the cause of female politicians by a decade
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Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:10pm aquascoot wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:06pm:
Let me guess, because they lecture you on using facts to make an argument, as opposed to thinking that what you heard at a local waterhole is the truth? IN any case, you dion't need to be a politician for the appointments I've mentioned. I'm curious as to why Tony has not named females in any of his major appointments? Why does Tony hate women? |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by FriYAY on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:19pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:57pm:
;D ;D ;D So smacking what? Nut-job nut-job haunting my dreams. In his red speedos he's not what he seems. Woman basher, sexist, misogynist extreme. Nut-job nut-job haunting my dreams. ;D ;D |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by FriYAY on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:20pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:10pm:
The longest dumbest bow ever drawn….. Kudos ;D ;D |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:39pm FriYAY wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:19pm:
I'm really impressed that you can rhyme :) But the issue is that a lot of social behaviour, "social norms", are dictated by government policies, and government action. And if our government is led by a misogynist who sees no value for women other than birth givers and household maintainers. then what will that say about our society in 5, 10 years time? We've already got a misogynistic PPL coming. We've got 1 "woman of caliber" in government. All decisions will be made by men, on the advice of men. Does that not scare you one bit? |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by FriYAY on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:42pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:39pm:
That's retarded, demented crap based on no reality what so ever. Honestly, if you are the kind of woman we could expect then i'm glad we don't have a vagina quota. ;) |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by Culture Warrior on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:49pm
So to create a more harmonious society we have to divide people up into gender. :D
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Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:56pm FriYAY wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:42pm:
I am not a woman. But do you disagree that a lot of the "social norms" are dictated by policy? and nourished by the actions of our government? Do you disagree that Tony, who thinks women with careers are "women of caliber", sees women as second-rate humans? I don't. It's proven in his actions and the actions of his government. It's proven in what he's trying to legislate (PPL). But you know... I'm glad you came up with such a coherent argument. No wonder biscuit-loving men such as yourself are in charge of this country and making all the right decisions. ;D |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:57pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
To create a more hamonious society one would imagine that we'd want to hear the opinions from all, and not just the select few who seem to share the ideals of our PM, and have a penis. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by Culture Warrior on Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:01pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:57pm:
Sounds like someone believes in biological determinism. Not very "progressive". ;D |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:03pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:01pm:
Misty? Did you get banned? :( |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by Culture Warrior on Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:13pm
No. If "progressives" think I am a "culture warrior", then a culture warrior I'll be!
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Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:14pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:13pm:
Who thinks you're a culture warrior? ;D |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by The Abzi Party on Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:14pm
No women of calibre I guess.
Also - people got positions on merit - it just so happened that all of the people that got the positions were male. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:17pm Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:14pm:
Well that's because only men have merit. According to Abbott. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by Culture Warrior on Feb 18th, 2014 at 6:42pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:14pm:
"Progressives" claim anyone who opposes the "progressive" educational curriculum is deemed a "culture warrior". You might be out of the loop on this it seems. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 7:19pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 6:42pm:
You're funnier every day, misty ;D |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by aquascoot on Feb 18th, 2014 at 7:44pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:57pm:
Too funny. Women in politics, Gillard, Milne, SHY,creating a harmonious society They always seem so angry. So smug and condescending. It's why we have no female comedians, They just aren't funny. Even the blokes in parliament carry on like women. Pyne and Rudd are effeminate, and aren't they annoying. Adam bandt, the list goes on. Give me a manly Joh or Campbell anyday |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by Honky on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:31pm
If some politicians told you that they "identify as a woman" does that count as a female appointment?
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Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by Andrei.Hicks on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:34pm
Why does it matter?
Our senior leadership has no women either. We are one of the most important companies in the world too. It's about equality so merit alone. Gender is irrelevant. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:35pm ... wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:31pm:
As a female appointment? No. As a Woman appointment, I'd say yes. And there would be nothing wrong with that. Except that of course the libtards would never ever allow that to happen. They can't get females, let alone anyone LGBT They do have Bernadi and his beastiality... but 1) that's illegal and 2) that's illegal. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by Maqqa on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:35pm
Labor appointed a female PM and look at the disaster that was and still is
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Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:35pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:34pm:
Yes, let's compare government and company. *sigh* |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:37pm Maqqa wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:35pm:
So you believe that no females should be MPs then? Because they are all disasters? Misogynist. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by Honky on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:37pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:35pm:
Riiight. My genderqueer theory is a little rusty - what's the difference again? |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by Andrei.Hicks on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:39pm
Yes. Let's.
A Government is accountable to people like we are to shareholders. A Government should run a country to sound investment and spend it's people's money like we do. A Government should have the best people in place to run the country no matter their gender or race, just like we do. Sigh. Don't they compare poorly.... ::) |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by Andrei.Hicks on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:41pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:37pm:
Best PM Britain ever had was a woman. It's worst (Ted Heath) was a man. One of the worst PM Australia ever had was a woman. Gough Whitlam - recognized by many as awful - was a man. You just can't base on gender. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:47pm ... wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:37pm:
female is biological. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:48pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:39pm:
1. A company's main objective is to make profit. 2. Government's main objective is to provide a strong economy and to ensure social stability. Those two differences alone explain why a GOVERNMENT is NOT A COMPANY. And should not be run like one. *sigh* |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by Andrei.Hicks on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:58pm
Put down your "Economics for Dummies -1960" book.
A company has several objectives both financial and social - enshrined within its mission statement and then waterfalled by way of corporate and personal goal objectives. Our company - a typical US listed entity - had the aim to be a good social citizen. To provide advancement of its employees, to make the world a cleaner place, to continue to advance sourcing of cleaner energy and making people more attached and closer to Energy. We have a profit objective too. A Government should also want the best for its people like we do and make the world a cleaner safer place like we do. A government should also invest wisely to ensure it builds a surplus after investing where it needs to stimulate growth - like we do. You can tell which of us works in strategic finance in the real world eh? Your opinion of companies objectives is borne out of outdated nonsense which tends to be the case if you get your info from outdated nonsense. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by Maqqa on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:01pm
You lost him at "Put"
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Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:28pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:58pm:
Does your company look at everything through the cost benefit binoculars? Then forget the mission statements and "Our Values" because these only count if they cost a little and lead to maximised profit. Would you company ever say, "We'll lose this much money but it will result in us fullfilling a value of ours?" Doubt it very much. If an initiative to ensure advancement of its employees led your company to lose money, would they do it? Doubt it! Whereas in government, you CAN"T ALWAYS look at things through a cost benefit binocoluar. Why? BEcause that's when social cohesion falls over. And governemnt should never look at a budget at a "profit" POV. Sometimes ensuring strength in society and economy means a red bottom line. But your company would NEVER do that. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:29pm Maqqa wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:01pm:
if I was lost at Put then that means you must've been lost at "P". ;D |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by Andrei.Hicks on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:40pm
Christmas Parties. Cost $20,000 on average and we hold loads all around the world.
Company ball. Held in California and over 100 employees flown to it in business class flights and hotel stay. None of which have a profit objective, cost a lot of money and are all about a rejuvenated employee group and corporate buy in. We are happy to spend capital if it achieves objectives. My point is not all objectives are financial, they are also social. The problem is you are looking at it from a very outdated, cynical view of companies which is no longer true. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:52pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:40pm:
So because the company spends what... 0.0001% of its total revenue on christmas parties, you seem to think it's objectives are around social well being as well as economic well being? ;D What's the bet that if the company was nearing a red bottom line at the end of the year, these christmas parties, designed specifically for indoctrination of employees as opposed to employee well being, will be removed ASAP? We had that too - we had birthday cakes for all employees! That went the moment they had a lower profit to the previous year. So much for social objectives. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by The Grappler 2014 on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:57pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:57pm:
No - but I think he just figures that women of calibre don't outdo men of calibre, and that nobody should get a job on affirmative action any more. Personally I think the whole lot in Canberra are a waste of time - men and women - and I hardly think his choice of A Man Named Vanstone, Maggie 'Ding-Dong' Thatcher Wannabe of the South seas, is of any value in any way and the whole 'commission of audit' is just a waste of time and a chance to fling the likes of her some easy dollars again - you see - I come from a tough environment where results count - and based on results none of that lot are worth feeding. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:58pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:57pm:
I'd buy that these selections are based on merit if they actually did a short list, presented the elecotrate with a short list, and explained their reasons for choice. But that doesn't happen. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by matty on Feb 19th, 2014 at 1:05am
Funny how the lecties are going on about a lack of women in the government and the appointments made by the government, yet they were mocking, and gloating over the defeat of, a woman who was going to be a Cabinet Minister, had she not been cheated out of her rural Victotian seat.
Also white a bit of sexism and misogyny displayed by the left there again when that happened. As usual, the moral flexibility of the left rears its ugly head. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by Rider on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:43am matty wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 1:05am:
Leftards are all talk on all issues. They really only like women in brothels so they can have use them and then use other peoples money to pay for it. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by aquascoot on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:03am Rider wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:43am:
Blahahahaha :D Maybe we are a sexist society. If so, the political parties better learn to adapt or they are f^^ked. No one in suburbia liked being lectured by gillard or milne or SHY. No one likes being lectured by Eva cox or Fran kelly or the million other aggro females. Female voters probably dont like it either. They want women to be nurturing, not all bent, snarly and vicious like julia's "I will not be lectured by this man" As per usual, sigh, the elites are just out of touch. People watch neighbours and home and away. Pick a female politician like madge from neighbours or marge simpson from the simpsons. Not some angry intellectual the "man and the woman in the street" cant relate to |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:27am matty wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 1:05am:
So let me get this straight, it's the fault of the people in Wangaratta/Albury/Wodonga that we don't have more women in cabinet? Because the women in government are lacking calibre, and the only ones with calibre were... Mirabella and Bishop? You're a ding bat ;D |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:28am Rider wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:43am:
Yet as always, it's the left that has actually led to progression of women's rights in this country. While the right sits around fiddling with themselves and whining about everything. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by matty on Feb 19th, 2014 at 11:39am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:27am:
Comprehension isn't a strong point of yours, my dear. That wasn't what I was saying at all. I meant that lefties such as yourself were laughing at Sophie and some were making appalling comments about her, when it looked as though she was about to lose her seat, because of a dodgy system. None of up seemed concerned that it meant one less woman in the Cabinet. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by matty on Feb 19th, 2014 at 11:42am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:28am:
Who's the one whining? |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by FriYAY on Feb 19th, 2014 at 11:43am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 3:56pm:
Really!!! :o Well i'll be stuffed, you sound like a whinging old woman to me. :-/ Hand in you man card.....NOW!!! :( |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 19th, 2014 at 11:44am matty wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 11:39am:
So again, your assertion is that it's the fault of the people of indi that tony has no women of calibre. So with the coalition, in order to have women in politics, one must always keep them as soon as they get in, regardless of how crap they are. It's the only way. If by some miracle a woman gets in, hold on to her. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by matty on Feb 19th, 2014 at 11:49am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 11:44am:
Well yes, technically it was, but again, you are missing the point. The left wanted Sophie to lose, and McGowan to win, and they didn't care that that meant that there would be one less woman in Cabinet. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 19th, 2014 at 11:54am matty wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 11:49am:
Forgive the left for assuming that the coalition has more than 2 women of calibre? ;D |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by matty on Feb 19th, 2014 at 11:59am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 11:54am:
Please stop twisting my words. Why did you want her to lose when it meant one less woman? |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 19th, 2014 at 12:03pm matty wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 11:59am:
I couldn't care less, I don't live in indi. But I'm glad that indi stood up against poor representation and voted the way they wanted to. Why do you feel the coalition has no women of calibre now? |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by matty on Feb 19th, 2014 at 12:23pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
You couldn't care less? Is that why were so being so cocky when she was about to lsoe and then when she did (despite getting many more first votes)? Poor representation - she was up at 6 every day, working for her electorate. In fact, I have read comments from many in the electorate who believe that McGowan doesn't reprsent them well, and has changed stance on many issues since being elected. She also voted to keep the carbon tax, which most there want gone. Not that I feel sorry for them, they were warned but didn't listen, their fault. When did I say that there were no women of calibre in the Coalition? |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 19th, 2014 at 12:59pm matty wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 12:23pm:
Well you assert that because Mirabella lost , that's why we have 1 woman in cabinet. So no more women of calibre left? |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by matty on Feb 19th, 2014 at 2:50pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
Funny that you should ignore the rest of my post and just highlight that part. ::) I didn't say that, I just said that because she lost, she wasn't made a Minister. You, meanwhile, are saying that women should be put into jobs/positions just because they're women. And by the way, what do you have against penises? |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 19th, 2014 at 2:52pm matty wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 2:50pm:
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that it's odd to me that no women of calibre exist in the Liberal Party (except for bishop), or Tony feels no women of calibre exist to appoint into import roles. tsk tsk. For tony's it's definitely a man's world out there. Typical misogynist. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by matty on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:01pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 2:52pm:
It sounds to me as though you have a case of penis envy. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by alevine on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:29pm matty wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
No I'm fairly happy with mine, thanks :) I'm not happy with my PM discrediting 1/2 the population. That part is disgusting. And disgusting that your political party doesn't seem to recognise women as MPs. tsk tsk. |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by matty on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:04pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:29pm:
Good to hear, so am I. Although your posts make you sound like a feminist woman with a case of penis envy. Maybe you could tell us why the men who are there at the moment are less qualified than the female MPs who are not Ministers? Also why your party thinks that women automatically should be entitled to 40% of 'safe' seats and Ministry positions? |
Title: Re: How many female appointments Post by aquascoot on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:25pm
matty and alvine....are you 2 married
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