Inquiry launched into PNG violence

A government inquiry is to be held into violent clashes on Manus Island that left one Iranian asylum seeker dead and scores of others severely injured.

Monday was the second day of violence in Papua New Guinea as tensions escalated between asylum seekers, the security forces, the local police and PNG residents, in what refugee advocates have described as a ''premeditated massacre'' on the island.

On Tuesday night, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison conceded it was unclear whether the attacks happened inside or outside the detention centre. ''I can't give you an absolute position on that as there are some conflicting reports at the moment and once those are resolved and the reasons for those conflicts then I'd be in a position to report on it,'' he said at a news conference in Canberra.

Mr Morrison said an independent review would investigate the violence. The secretary of his department, Martin Bowles, would "initiate a full review into this incident in the same way the former government commissioned previous reviews into incidents".

Tension had been simmering for weeks in the centre, as asylum seekers became more anxious about their future and when they would be processed. In a meeting on Sunday night they were told that if they were not found to be a refugee, neither the Australian nor PNG governments would help them resettle in PNG.

That night 35 people escaped the centre, wielding bed posts as weapons in protest at the news and 19 people were injured. On Monday afternoon, the tension had become so great asylum seekers were contacting refugee advocates saying they were fearful of a violent attack by PNG police and angry locals.

By early Tuesday morning one asylum seeker had been killed, one had been shot and more than 77 people lay bloodied, cut and severely injured. Four asylum seekers have since been transferred to Port Moresby, while one has been transferred to Australia.

The president of the Human Rights Commission, Professor Gillian Triggs, said Australia was not upholding its international responsibility to asylum seekers, and also called for an inquiry.

''The primary obligation that Australia has is to offer protection for asylum seekers and we cannot abdicate that responsibility by sending people to a third country, in this case Papua New Guinea.''

On Tuesday morning Mr Morrison warned asylum seekers of dangerous conditions outside the centre. ''Those who are breaching the perimeter fence and going out of the centre, then this is a disorderly environment in which there is always great risk,'' he told reporters in Darwin.

But there is some doubt where the Iranian asylum seeker died.

Papua New Guinea Prime Minister Peter O'Neill said in a statement that the Iranian man died from ''serious injuries sustained during the fight at the centre''.

Mr O'Neill said the incident was ''most regrettable'' and vowed to investigate. Anyone found to be breaking PNG law would be prosecuted, he said.

His spokesman later said the Iranian man had been ''in or around the centre'' when he was killed. He could not say whether the man was inside the perimeter.

The security firm G4S, which manages the detention centre, denied claims of attacks inside the centre. In a statement, G4S said it had removed all ''non-essential'' staff from the compound, along with asylum seekers who were not participating in the protest. The statement said the asylum seekers were injured once they left the detention centre.

The opposition spokesman for immigration, Richard Marles, calling for an inquiry into the incident. ''It's becoming apparent that Manus Island is melting down on Minister Morrison's watch,'' he said on ABC 24.

The Refugee Rights Action Network's Victoria Martin said: ''Last night's attack was a massacre. It was a pre-meditated attack on unarmed and defenceless asylum seekers, some of which have escaped war and are now being put back into, what is essentially a war zone. Manus Island is lawless.''

The Greens have demanded that the Manus Island centre be closed.

Greens leader Senator Christine Milne accused the government of ''bragging'' about poor conditions at the facility. ''Ministerial responsibility has to mean something and Scott Morrison has to stop hiding,'' Senator Milne said.

The ugly stain of this foul treatment of asylum-seekers will take years to eradicate.

Thanks for nothing, con-servatives!

Kat wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:26am:

The ugly stain of this foul treatment of asylum-seekers will take years to eradicate. Thanks for nothing, con-servatives!

it was opened under the Labor/Green coalition...

so what are you talking about you nincompoop...

True Blue... wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:49am:

Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:26am: The ugly stain of this foul treatment of asylum-seekers will take years to eradicate. Thanks for nothing, con-servatives! it was opened under the Labor/Green coalition... so what are you talking about you nincompoop...

I'd have thought that would have been obvious.

And it was only done under pressure from the Maggot and his followers.

Labor actually had a mandate in 2007 to END offshore processing, but
the Maggot opposed and whinged from Day One, and ended-up conning
the electorate into voting for this travesty.

Morrison should be in jail, or at the end of a rope.

Kat wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:04am:

True Blue... wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:49am: Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:26am: The ugly stain of this foul treatment of asylum-seekers will take years to eradicate. Thanks for nothing, con-servatives! it was opened under the Labor/Green coalition... so what are you talking about you nincompoop... I'd have thought that would have been obvious. And it was only done under pressure from the Maggot and his followers. Labor actually had a mandate in 2007 to END offshore processing, but the Maggot opposed and whinged from Day One, and ended-up conning the electorate into voting for this travesty. Morrison should be in jail, or at the end of a rope.

another lie...

Labor/Greens opened up Manus Island

and Rudd promised not to touch the Liberals Pacific solution which worked...

then Rudd tried to be the hero and shut the pacific solution down... it blew up in his face and created what we see now..

SO YOU take responsibility maggot

just like Gillard had no mandate to slap us with a carbon tax.. she did it.. you maggots supported it and now manufacturing in Australia is buggered... it was the last nail in the coffin and the Labrat/Leftard supported this destruction.. 

once again... TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR SUPPORTING THE WORST GOVERNMENT OF ALL TIME...

Labor ~ Greens
There is/was no coalition … only an alliance so to guarantee supply/stability for the economy.


Labor opened it, coalition killed in it …  Greens will close it.

The opposition spokesman for immigration, Richard Marles, calling for an inquiry into the incident. ''It's becoming apparent that Manus Island is melting down on Minister Morrison's watch,'' he said on ABC 24 - OP

Funny, I just heard Marles on the ABC say that Manus Island should stay open...

True Blue... wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:13am:

Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:04am: True Blue... wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:49am: Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:26am: The ugly stain of this foul treatment of asylum-seekers will take years to eradicate. Thanks for nothing, con-servatives! it was opened under the Labor/Green coalition... so what are you talking about you nincompoop... I'd have thought that would have been obvious. And it was only done under pressure from the Maggot and his followers. Labor actually had a mandate in 2007 to END offshore processing, but the Maggot opposed and whinged from Day One, and ended-up conning the electorate into voting for this travesty. Morrison should be in jail, or at the end of a rope. another lie... Labor/Greens opened up Manus Island and Rudd promised not to touch the Liberals Pacific solution which worked... then Rudd tried to be the hero and shut the pacific solution down... it blew up in his face and created what we see now.. SO YOU take responsibility maggot just like Gillard had no mandate to slap us with a carbon tax.. she did it.. you maggots supported it and now manufacturing in Australia is buggered... it was the last nail in the coffin and the Labrat/Leftard supported this destruction..  once again... TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR SUPPORTING THE WORST GOVERNMENT OF ALL TIME...

I cannot. I did not vote for the Con-alition.

True Blue... wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:13am:

Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:04am: True Blue... wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:49am: Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:26am: The ugly stain of this foul treatment of asylum-seekers will take years to eradicate. Thanks for nothing, con-servatives! it was opened under the Labor/Green coalition... so what are you talking about you nincompoop... I'd have thought that would have been obvious. And it was only done under pressure from the Maggot and his followers. Labor actually had a mandate in 2007 to END offshore processing, but the Maggot opposed and whinged from Day One, and ended-up conning the electorate into voting for this travesty. Morrison should be in jail, or at the end of a rope. another lie... Labor/Greens opened up Manus Island and Rudd promised not to touch the Liberals Pacific solution which worked... then Rudd tried to be the hero and shut the pacific solution down... it blew up in his face and created what we see now.. SO YOU take responsibility maggot just like Gillard had no mandate to slap us with a carbon tax.. she did it.. you maggots supported it and now manufacturing in Australia is buggered... it was the last nail in the coffin and the Labrat/Leftard supported this destruction..  once again... TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR SUPPORTING THE WORST GOVERNMENT OF ALL TIME...

Ditto to Kats comment

I have to agree with the shut down of Manus, all the illegals to be sent back to Indo and a full refund from PNG and Rudd of again wasted tax payers money.

The situation has become a lot worse under this  government for two reasons.

1. The refugees are now being classified as criminals - not asylum seekers, so the Papuans have become hostile believing their community is under threat.

2.  The refugees have been told that there is no hope of being resettled in PNG, Australia or any other country, but they will possibly spend 10 years in detention.

This harshness is not going unnoticed. Why not just follow normal immigration protocol and try to keep the peace instead of deliberately stirring up tension and anger on both sides of the fence by making threats, innuendos and accusations about a group of people who haven't even been assessed yet?


Quote:

This is now the second serious incident which has occurred at the Manus Island detention facility since the Abbott government came to power,” Marles said in Melbourne. “We need to hear from the government what steps they are going to take to ensure that this kind of incident never happens again.” http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/17/manus-island-detainees-arrested-conflicting-reports-unrest

____ wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:49am:

True Blue... wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:13am: Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:04am: True Blue... wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:49am: Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:26am: The ugly stain of this foul treatment of asylum-seekers will take years to eradicate. Thanks for nothing, con-servatives! it was opened under the Labor/Green coalition... so what are you talking about you nincompoop... I'd have thought that would have been obvious. And it was only done under pressure from the Maggot and his followers. Labor actually had a mandate in 2007 to END offshore processing, but the Maggot opposed and whinged from Day One, and ended-up conning the electorate into voting for this travesty. Morrison should be in jail, or at the end of a rope. another lie... Labor/Greens opened up Manus Island and Rudd promised not to touch the Liberals Pacific solution which worked... then Rudd tried to be the hero and shut the pacific solution down... it blew up in his face and created what we see now.. SO YOU take responsibility maggot just like Gillard had no mandate to slap us with a carbon tax.. she did it.. you maggots supported it and now manufacturing in Australia is buggered... it was the last nail in the coffin and the Labrat/Leftard supported this destruction..  once again... TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR SUPPORTING THE WORST GOVERNMENT OF ALL TIME... Ditto to Kats comment

LOL...

who brought them over in the FIRST PLACE>>


will you guys ever accept you opened the doors to PEOPLE SMUGGLERS....not the LIBS.. the LABS

THATS RIGHT LEFTIES OPENED THE DOOR AND HELPED THE PEOPLE SMUGGLERS TO START UP ALL OVER AGAIN....

I AM HAPPY TO KEEP REMINDING YOU..

cods wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:59am:

____ wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:49am: True Blue... wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:13am: Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:04am: True Blue... wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:49am: Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:26am: The ugly stain of this foul treatment of asylum-seekers will take years to eradicate. Thanks for nothing, con-servatives! it was opened under the Labor/Green coalition... so what are you talking about you nincompoop... I'd have thought that would have been obvious. And it was only done under pressure from the Maggot and his followers. Labor actually had a mandate in 2007 to END offshore processing, but the Maggot opposed and whinged from Day One, and ended-up conning the electorate into voting for this travesty. Morrison should be in jail, or at the end of a rope. another lie... Labor/Greens opened up Manus Island and Rudd promised not to touch the Liberals Pacific solution which worked... then Rudd tried to be the hero and shut the pacific solution down... it blew up in his face and created what we see now.. SO YOU take responsibility maggot just like Gillard had no mandate to slap us with a carbon tax.. she did it.. you maggots supported it and now manufacturing in Australia is buggered... it was the last nail in the coffin and the Labrat/Leftard supported this destruction..  once again... TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR SUPPORTING THE WORST GOVERNMENT OF ALL TIME... Ditto to Kats comment LOL... who brought them over in the FIRST PLACE>> will you guys ever accept you opened the doors to PEOPLE SMUGGLERS....not the LIBS.. the LABS THATS RIGHT LEFTIES OPENED THE DOOR AND HELPED THE PEOPLE SMUGGLERS TO START UP ALL OVER AGAIN.... I AM HAPPY TO KEEP REMINDING YOU..

It was the coalition that inflamed the push factors so to create a product for the people trafficers.


Remember your illegal war … and now you are creating more refugees by driving AGW harder.

Seeing the fake reffos go nuts and act like wild animals just makes the insane left even more determined to let them lose on the streets here.
If they were well behaved jews the left would being doing their utmost to keep them out.
Why are the left insane?  :D

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

Seeing the fake reffos go nuts and act like wild animals just makes the insane left even more determined to let them lose on the streets here. If they were well behaved jews the left would being doing their utmost to keep them out. Why are the left insane?  :D

Best go at stiring ! … it's not even worth finishing this se ...

Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:19am:

Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand.

One death isn't enough for you guys?

____ wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:32am:

Labor ~ Greens There is/was no coalition … only an alliance so to guarantee supply/stability for the economy. Labor opened it, coalition killed in it …  Greens will close it.

the scabby greens would sell their own grandmother to try and hang onto a little bit of power... the grovelled up to Gillard, they grovelled up to Rudd... they voted how both Dudd and Juliar told them to vote


and they opened up manus together ....

once again the scabby greens wont take responsibility for the mess they have created and that's why their polling went down last election...

Manus should be closed and the asylum seekers held there should be safely escorted back to Australia ... If Abbott is going to hold them prisoner, then he has a duty of care to provide a safe environment for them ... locking them up to be beaten and killed by the locals is a clear breach of that duty of care ... As sooin as the guards heard rumours they locked the gates and ran and hid on a government boat ......

I hope the asylum seekers launch a class action against Abbott, the mangy dog that he is..

cods wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:59am:

who brought them over in the FIRST PLACE>>

most likely people smugglers

De-registered User wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:54am:

I have to agree with the shut down of Manus, all the illegals to be sent back to Indo and a full refund from PNG and Rudd of again wasted tax payers money.

under the scabby Labrat/Greentard government all the illegals had to do was light a stick on fire or climb on a roof and they folded like a deck of cards to their demands...

no guts and should have never been in charge in the first place...

who needs these cowards in this country?

if things weren't fine in their own country then stay there and fight for it... not come running to Australia like cowards to lick the sweat of the tax payers back...

look at Ukraine,

look at them fight for their country after they were double dealt by their president...

good luck to them.. hopefully they fight hard and make him stand down....

True Blue... wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:35pm:

the scabby greens would sell their own grandmother to try and hang onto a little bit of power... the grovelled up to Gillard, they grovelled up to Rudd... they voted how both Dudd and Juliar told them to vote and they opened up manus together

i may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Greens have never supported offshore processing.

Kat wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:26am:

The ugly stain of this foul treatment of asylum-seekers will take years to eradicate. Thanks for nothing, con-servatives!

Less than a dozen were in detention when Rudd won office from Howard. Since former PM Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution, more than 50,000 people have arrived. So many, in fact, that Gillard started letting them live in the community. There were few incidents in detention facilities because detainees knew that the Labor government was weaker than wet toilet paper on this issue and they had a good chance of staying here. Now that they have seen the new Abbott government take a much more stern approach to this issue, they're worried about their chances of staying here - and rightly so. This incident has taken place because the policy instituted by Morrison is working.

Stratos wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

True Blue... wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:35pm: the scabby greens would sell their own grandmother to try and hang onto a little bit of power... the grovelled up to Gillard, they grovelled up to Rudd... they voted how both Dudd and Juliar told them to vote and they opened up manus together i may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Greens have never supported offshore processing.

Nor does anyone with a brain and a heart.

Kat wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:26am:

The ugly stain of this foul treatment of asylum-seekers will take years to eradicate.

  ;D ;D ;D

Oh, the shame of it all!


Quote:

In a meeting on Sunday night they were told that if they were not found to be a refugee, neither the Australian nor PNG governments would help them resettle in PNG. That night 35 people escaped the centre, wielding bed posts as weapons in protest at the news and 19 people were injured. On Monday afternoon, the tension had become so great asylum seekers were contacting refugee advocates saying they were fearful of a violent attack by PNG police and angry locals.

All their own work.

Muslims doing what comes naturally to them when frustrated or denied in any way at all: Resort to violence.

They are told that those of them who are found to be even worse liars than the average amongst them, will be, in effect, deported.

Whereupon they tip their hand and reveal who they really are by going on a riot.

Why would they go on a rampage of destruction if they are genuine refugees?

Being the deceitful idiots that they are, they prove themselves to be liars by immediately going on a rampage of destruction.

These people are poison to Australian society.

De-registered User wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:54am:

I have to agree with the shut down of Manus, all the illegals to be sent back to Indo and a full refund from PNG and Rudd of again wasted tax payers money.

partial agreement on that one

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:26am: The ugly stain of this foul treatment of asylum-seekers will take years to eradicate.   ;D ;D ;D Oh, the shame of it all! Quote: In a meeting on Sunday night they were told that if they were not found to be a refugee, neither the Australian nor PNG governments would help them resettle in PNG. That night 35 people escaped the centre, wielding bed posts as weapons in protest at the news and 19 people were injured. On Monday afternoon, the tension had become so great asylum seekers were contacting refugee advocates saying they were fearful of a violent attack by PNG police and angry locals. All their own work. Muslims doing what comes naturally to them when frustrated or denied in any way at all: Resort to violence. They are told that those of them who are found to be even worse liars than the average amongst them, will be, in effect, deported. And so they tip their hand and reveal who they really are by going on a riot. Why would they go on a rampage of destruction if they are genuine refugees? Being the deceitful idiots that they are, they prove themselves to be liars by immediately going on a rampage of destruction. These people are poison to Australian society.

And good for them. 'We' brought it about with 'our' PM's inhumane, xenophobic and racist 'policy'.

Your pin-up boy's asshole policies caused this, not the refugees.

And not Labor or the Greens either.

I'd do the same thing in their shoes.

Why has my country suddenly become populated with scumbags?

Kat wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:10pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:07pm: Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:26am: The ugly stain of this foul treatment of asylum-seekers will take years to eradicate.   ;D ;D ;D Oh, the shame of it all! Quote: In a meeting on Sunday night they were told that if they were not found to be a refugee, neither the Australian nor PNG governments would help them resettle in PNG. That night 35 people escaped the centre, wielding bed posts as weapons in protest at the news and 19 people were injured. On Monday afternoon, the tension had become so great asylum seekers were contacting refugee advocates saying they were fearful of a violent attack by PNG police and angry locals. All their own work. Muslims doing what comes naturally to them when frustrated or denied in any way at all: Resort to violence. They are told that those of them who are found to be even worse liars than the average amongst them, will be, in effect, deported. And so they tip their hand and reveal who they really are by going on a riot. Why would they go on a rampage of destruction if they are genuine refugees? Being the deceitful idiots that they are, they prove themselves to be liars by immediately going on a rampage of destruction. These people are poison to Australian society. And good for them. 'We' brought it about with 'our' PM's inhumane, xenophobic and racist 'policy'. Your pin-up boy's asshole policies caused this, not the refugees. And not Labor or the Greens either. I'd do the same thing in their shoes. Why has my country suddenly become populated with scumbags?

You want these people here? They ignore our policies and laws and go on a deadly rampage when they get an indication that their efforts may have been for nothing. These are not the actions of people of good character that we would want to live here among us.

That is right they all fail the character test..
I don't want them here.

mantra wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:56am:

The situation has become a lot worse under this  government for two reasons. 1. The refugees are now being classified as criminals - not asylum seekers, so the Papuans have become hostile believing their community is under threat.  You gotta back that up and be more clear. 2.  The refugees have been told that there is no hope of being resettled in PNG, Australia or any other country, but they will possibly spend 10 years in detention.  No the story came out that they were told they would not be resettled in Australia.  The government is following the ALP policy and the agreement with PNG. This harshness is not going unnoticed. What ALP policy? ;D Why not just follow normal immigration protocol and try to keep the peace instead of deliberately stirring up tension and anger on both sides of the fence by making threats, innuendos and accusations about a group of people who haven't even been assessed yet?  No one is stirring up people on both sides of the fence at least the government isn't that's just a stupid statement. Quote: This is now the second serious incident which has occurred at the Manus Island detention facility since the Abbott government came to power,” Marles The idiot said in Melbourne. “We need to hear from the government what steps they are going to take to ensure that this kind of incident never happens again.”  he means they should abandon ALP policy  ;D ;D ;D http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/17/manus-island-detainees-arrested-conflicting-reports-unrest LOL The Guardian :D ;D :D ;D :D

Grendel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:23pm:

That is right they all fail the character test.. I don't want them here.

how, because they let armed thugs beat them ? :D :D :D :D

____ wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:29am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:19am: Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand. One death isn't enough for you guys?

Why would that cause deaths?? Unless they are clumsy crossing the road or something??

____ wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:29am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:19am: Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand. One death isn't enough for you guys?

More than 1,000 deaths under Labor obviously weren't enough for you Greenies to do something about it while wedded to Gillard...

what happened to Greens Wins...

has he done a runner after realising that his scabby green mates were the ones that created this mess in the first place?

just let the PNG police take care of it.... they know how to treat people when they act like rioting animals...

Lets say Abbott did relent and close the Manus Isl. detention centre. Where do you Leftards suggest we put those detainees in that situation?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 6:50am:

Lets say Abbott did relent and close the Manus Isl. detention centre. Where do you Leftards suggest we put those detainees in that situation?

Where they should have been going all along... to ON-SHORE processing centres.

Hostel-type, not concentration-camp type.

Processed quickly, then released as genuine into the community, or deported
immediately they're found to be non-genuine.

Three-year 'probation' period for those accepted, if the smack-up they're out.

Kat wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 6:58am:

, or deported immediately they're found to be non-genuine. Three-year 'probation' period for those accepted, if the smack-up they're out.

You can't depart anyone who doesn't have a passport. And so they destroy their passports for this very reason.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 5:39am:

____ wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:29am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:19am: Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand. One death isn't enough for you guys? More than 1,000 deaths under Labor obviously weren't enough for you Greenies to do something about it while wedded to Gillard...

And that is one huge sh1t sandwich the Greens and Labor leftards are gonna be chewing on for ever - geez it must suck when your whole team has had its head shoved down the toilet repeatedly - oh how the haters are hating now  ;D

I reckon Manus will be shut shortly........because it'll be empty due to the overwhelming success of the Abbott governments policies!!

I just don't understand why we aren't flying them back home. Why is the government dilly dallying ? Front row seats to the rioters also.

Kat wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:04am:

True Blue... wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:49am: Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:26am: The ugly stain of this foul treatment of asylum-seekers will take years to eradicate. Thanks for nothing, con-servatives! it was opened under the Labor/Green coalition... so what are you talking about you nincompoop... I'd have thought that would have been obvious. And it was only done under pressure from the Maggot and his followers. Labor actually had a mandate in 2007 to END offshore processing, but the Maggot opposed and whinged from Day One, and ended-up conning the electorate into voting for this travesty. Morrison should be in jail, or at the end of a rope.

LOL, what a load of crap.

Calling for Morrison to be killed!!

Naaaaaw you loops try soooooo hard to sound all angwy!! Stomping your pathetic widdle feet.

;D ;D ;D ;D

Sparky wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

I just don't understand why we aren't flying them back home. Why is the government dilly dallying ? Front row seats to the rioters also.

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and have milne and shy whinge and whinge.. and probably ring up Human Rights...like they do.. ::) ::)

do you notice they never put their hand up to take any in....its always the govts job...

.never seen them putting out a fire or filling sand bags either....but who knows??? one day they may live up to their chest beating.

FriYAY wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:41am:

Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:04am: True Blue... wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:49am: Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:26am: The ugly stain of this foul treatment of asylum-seekers will take years to eradicate. Thanks for nothing, con-servatives! it was opened under the Labor/Green coalition... so what are you talking about you nincompoop... I'd have thought that would have been obvious. And it was only done under pressure from the Maggot and his followers. Labor actually had a mandate in 2007 to END offshore processing, but the Maggot opposed and whinged from Day One, and ended-up conning the electorate into voting for this travesty. Morrison should be in jail, or at the end of a rope. LOL, what a load of crap. Calling for Morrison to be killed!! Naaaaaw you loops try soooooo hard to sound all angwy!! Stopping your pathetic widdle feet. ;D ;D ;D ;D

we have a couple of sick dudes on this forum... wonder when the mods will wake up to them.... >:( >:(

Electrify the fence......50,000volts...............and throw all these green and labrat whiners in with their pooooooor badly done by mates......

http://www.cheerzhangover.com/hangover_blog/images/humor/electric-fence.jpg

John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:45pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:23pm: That is right they all fail the character test.. I don't want them here. how, because they let armed thugs beat them ? :D :D :D :D

They are the ones rioting, they are the ones breaking down the fences, oh wait, according to you that's appropriate behaviour is it...  like paying criminals to commit a criminal act... ::) ::)
Lets not forget all the other riots and fires too...  they should bugger off the lot of them.

Kat wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 6:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 6:50am: Lets say Abbott did relent and close the Manus Isl. detention centre. Where do you Leftards suggest we put those detainees in that situation? Where they should have been going all along... to ON-SHORE processing centres. Hostel-type, not concentration-camp type. Processed quickly, then released as genuine into the community, or deported immediately they're found to be non-genuine. Three-year 'probation' period for those accepted, if the smack-up they're out.

so, you would reopen the floodgates to the illegals ?

What's wrong with processing these claimants in Indonesia, and flying them from Jakarta to whichever direction is decided?

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:18am:

What's wrong with processing these claimants in Indonesia, and flying them from Jakarta to whichever direction is decided?

quite a lot.
the illegals should not be processed.
Unless theyhad been turned around the illegals should be flown back to wherever the day they arrive.
No food, no water, no reasons, no medical care, no nuffink

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:18am: What's wrong with processing these claimants in Indonesia, and flying them from Jakarta to whichever direction is decided? quite a lot. the illegals should not be processed. Unless theyhad been turned around the illegals should be flown back to wherever the day they arrive. No food, no water, no reasons, no medical care, no nuffink

Read this Mr Cyclist:

Click here.

I bet these wankers think twice before rioting again.

;D ;D ;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:18am: What's wrong with processing these claimants in Indonesia, and flying them from Jakarta to whichever direction is decided? quite a lot. the illegals should not be processed. Unless theyhad been turned around the illegals should be flown back to wherever the day they arrive. No food, no water, no reasons, no medical care, no nuffink

I agree.

But the Indonesians would lose their cut of the smuggler profits if they marched these economic migrants back up onto the planes.

FriYAY wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

I bet these wankers think twice before rioting again. ;D ;D ;D

They worked out pretty quick that the PNG police commissioner is NOT Christine (pass the sandwiches) Nixon   ;D ;D

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:25am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:18am: What's wrong with processing these claimants in Indonesia, and flying them from Jakarta to whichever direction is decided? quite a lot. the illegals should not be processed. Unless theyhad been turned around the illegals should be flown back to wherever the day they arrive. No food, no water, no reasons, no medical care, no nuffink Read this Mr Cyclist: Click here.

pretty straightforward, don't go to Indonesia as your jump off point to queue jumping to Australia. Don't take $200, and now you can go to Gaol.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:18am: What's wrong with processing these claimants in Indonesia, and flying them from Jakarta to whichever direction is decided? quite a lot. the illegals should not be processed. Unless theyhad been turned around the illegals should be flown back to wherever the day they arrive. No food, no water, no reasons, no medical care, no nuffink

Nobody is supporting "illegals".

This is a thread about asylum seekers.

Seems your little boat has wandered off course.

Rider wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

Aussie wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:32am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:25am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:18am: What's wrong with processing these claimants in Indonesia, and flying them from Jakarta to whichever direction is decided? quite a lot. the illegals should not be processed. Unless theyhad been turned around the illegals should be flown back to wherever the day they arrive. No food, no water, no reasons, no medical care, no nuffink Read this Mr Cyclist: Click here. pretty straightforward, don't go to Indonesia as your jump off point to queue jumping to Australia. Don't take $200, and now you can go to Gaol.

"queue jumping"   ;D

"illegals" ... "queue jumping" ... what's next: "being swamped", "taking our jobs"?   ;D

Highly entertaining.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:35am:

Rider wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 11:29am: Aussie wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:32am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:25am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:18am: What's wrong with processing these claimants in Indonesia, and flying them from Jakarta to whichever direction is decided? quite a lot. the illegals should not be processed. Unless theyhad been turned around the illegals should be flown back to wherever the day they arrive. No food, no water, no reasons, no medical care, no nuffink Read this Mr Cyclist: Click here. pretty straightforward, don't go to Indonesia as your jump off point to queue jumping to Australia. Don't take $200, and now you can go to Gaol. "queue jumping"   ;D "illegals" ... "queue jumping" ... what's next: "being swamped", "taking our jobs"?   ;D Highly entertaining.

I knew you'd like it  ;)

Working on the basis of 'if it upsets greggery = i've nailed it' in the country shoppers forum is a clear vindication of rightness, or correctness as some people would say  ;D

So what's the happiest ending to this story?

Rider wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 11:35am: Rider wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 11:29am: Aussie wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:32am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:25am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:18am: What's wrong with processing these claimants in Indonesia, and flying them from Jakarta to whichever direction is decided? quite a lot. the illegals should not be processed. Unless theyhad been turned around the illegals should be flown back to wherever the day they arrive. No food, no water, no reasons, no medical care, no nuffink Read this Mr Cyclist: Click here. pretty straightforward, don't go to Indonesia as your jump off point to queue jumping to Australia. Don't take $200, and now you can go to Gaol. "queue jumping"   ;D "illegals" ... "queue jumping" ... what's next: "being swamped", "taking our jobs"?   ;D Highly entertaining. I knew you'd like it  ;) Working on the basis of 'if it upsets greggery = i've nailed it' in the country shoppers forum is a clear vindication of rightness, or correctness as some people would say  ;D

Despite the fact that you're 100% wrong.

Highly entertaining.

Carry on young man.

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:25am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:18am: What's wrong with processing these claimants in Indonesia, and flying them from Jakarta to whichever direction is decided? quite a lot. the illegals should not be processed. Unless theyhad been turned around the illegals should be flown back to wherever the day they arrive. No food, no water, no reasons, no medical care, no nuffink Read this Mr Cyclist: Click here.

Why ?
is it about illegals ?

Winston Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

So what's the happiest ending to this story?

No other illegals come over here.

Winston Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

So what's the happiest ending to this story?

The criminal Indonesian Muslim leadership in Jakarta finally refuses to allow any more of these 'asylum-seekers' to disembark at their airports.

It's as simple as that.

Without the criminal cooperation of Indonesia's Muslim leadership ~ none of this would be happening.

Not the drownings. Not 'Christmas Island'. Not Manus Island and its riots. etc etc.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 11:46am: So what's the happiest ending to this story? No other illegals come over here.

Good idea.

Hard to stop them though, when they just walk onto a plane with a visa.

"THERE are enough illegal immigrants living in Australia to fill a large regional city, and nearly all of these 58,400 people arrive by plane."

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6frea6u-1226200568050

Grendel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:02am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 9:45pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:23pm: That is right they all fail the character test.. I don't want them here. how, because they let armed thugs beat them ? :D :D :D :D They are the ones rioting, they are the ones breaking down the fences, oh wait, according to you that's appropriate behaviour is it...  like paying criminals to commit a criminal act... ::) ::) Lets not forget all the other riots and fires too...  they should bugger off the lot of them.

They aren't allowed to protest now?? ANd you call labor socialist  ;D ;D ;D ;D

where are the Serco guards?

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:13pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 11:46am: So what's the happiest ending to this story? The criminal Indonesian Muslim leadership in Jakarta finally refuses to allow any more of these 'asylum-seekers' to disembark at their airports. It's as simple as that. Without the criminal cooperation of Indonesia's Muslim leadership ~ none of this would be happening. Not the drownings. Not 'Christmas Island'. Not Manus Island and its riots. etc etc.

Why settle for simple?

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

-Emma Lazarus

cods wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:42am:

we have a couple of sick dudes on this forum... wonder when the mods will wake up to them.... >:( >:(

;D ;D ;D

Rider wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 8:29am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 5:39am: ____ wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:29am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:19am: Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand. One death isn't enough for you guys? More than 1,000 deaths under Labor obviously weren't enough for you Greenies to do something about it while wedded to Gillard... And that is one huge sh1t sandwich the Greens and Labor leftards are gonna be chewing on for ever - geez it must suck when your whole team has had its head shoved down the toilet repeatedly - oh how the haters are hating now  ;D

Neither Labor nor the Greens are responsible for these deaths. Nor will their supporters accept
or acknowledge any culpability, as there is none.

If anyone is responsible, it's the Indonesians, for allowing them to depart in unseaworthy ships
and the Libs for refusing to accept that they are refugees, not terrorists after our Centrelink
benefits.

Where else has a Liberal govt been able to have people beaten to death well away from the public gaze?
Its no wonder Morrison and Abbott have been trying to keep their asylum seeker mess a secret  ;D

Anus Island, sorry! Manus Island is exactly where these frauds ought to be.  8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:13pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 11:46am: So what's the happiest ending to this story? The criminal Indonesian Muslim leadership in Jakarta finally refuses to allow any more of these 'asylum-seekers' to disembark at their airports. It's as simple as that. Without the criminal cooperation of Indonesia's Muslim leadership ~ none of this would be happening. Not the drownings. Not 'Christmas Island'. Not Manus Island and its riots. etc etc.

Without the criminally incompetent and xenophobic Australian Liberal Party, don't you mean?

Kat wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

Without the criminally incompetent and xenophobic Australian Liberal Party, don't you mean?

They should send you to Anus Island ...er, Manus Island for saying things like that.  8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

Anus Island, sorry! Manus Island is exactly where these fraud ought to be.  8-)

Abbott & Morrisoff???

Wholeheartedly agree.

Kat wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:15am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:13am: Anus Island, sorry! Manus Island is exactly where these fraud ought to be.  8-) Abbott & Morrisoff??? Wholeheartedly agree.

The whole damn lot of them ~ including Craig Thompson ~ should be sent to Anus Manus Island.

Kat wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:13pm: Winston Smith wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 11:46am: So what's the happiest ending to this story? The criminal Indonesian Muslim leadership in Jakarta finally refuses to allow any more of these 'asylum-seekers' to disembark at their airports. It's as simple as that. Without the criminal cooperation of Indonesia's Muslim leadership ~ none of this would be happening. Not the drownings. Not 'Christmas Island'. Not Manus Island and its riots. etc etc. Without the criminally incompetent and xenophobic Australian Liberal Party, don't you mean?

Are you the exact opposite of a xenophobe kat?

Would the exact opposite of a xenophobe be someone who promiscuously embraces foreign cultures while snobbishly rejecting their own home grown culture?

Was it Rudd and the greens who were in power when Manus Island was reopened?

Quote:

PM Kevin Dudd says asylum seekers who arrive by boat will have no chance of being settled in Australia as refugees. Mr Dudd says the new arrangement delivers a message to people smugglers their business model is undermined. The package includes a significant expansion of Manus Island detention centre to house 3000 people up from the original capacity of 600 Leftist source-www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-19/manus-island-detention-centre-to-be-expanded-under-rudd27s-asy/4830778

Labor and the Greens not only reopened Manus Island they expanded the capacity of it to well above Howard's level.

The greens and labor are filthy hypocrites and liars!

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

Was it Rudd and the greens who were in power when Manus Island was reopened?

yes, but under Rudd the asylum seekers weren't left to be beaten by the natives ...

it's only After Abbott got in that management of the facility went downhill

Kat wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:10am:

Rider wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 8:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 5:39am: ____ wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:29am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:19am: Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand. One death isn't enough for you guys? More than 1,000 deaths under Labor obviously weren't enough for you Greenies to do something about it while wedded to Gillard... And that is one huge sh1t sandwich the Greens and Labor leftards are gonna be chewing on for ever - geez it must suck when your whole team has had its head shoved down the toilet repeatedly - oh how the haters are hating now  ;D Neither Labor nor the Greens are responsible for these deaths. Nor will their supporters accept or acknowledge any culpability, as there is none. If anyone is responsible, it's the Indonesians, for allowing them to depart in unseaworthy ships and the Libs for refusing to accept that they are refugees, not terrorists after our Centrelink benefits.

Bullsh1te, Labor / Greens killed 1000's by luring them with p1sspoor watered down border policies. You are 100% to blame. Eat your sh1t sandwich.

John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:56am: Was it Rudd and the greens who were in power when Manus Island was reopened? yes, but under Rudd the asylum seekers weren't left to be beaten by the natives ... it's only After Abbott got in that management of the facility went downhill

And of course it was Abbotts excellent campaign of fear and hatred which eventually forced Labor into the gutter with Abbott.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

Kat wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:13am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:13pm: Winston Smith wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 11:46am: So what's the happiest ending to this story? The criminal Indonesian Muslim leadership in Jakarta finally refuses to allow any more of these 'asylum-seekers' to disembark at their airports. It's as simple as that. Without the criminal cooperation of Indonesia's Muslim leadership ~ none of this would be happening. Not the drownings. Not 'Christmas Island'. Not Manus Island and its riots. etc etc. Without the criminally incompetent and xenophobic Australian Liberal Party, don't you mean? Are you the exact opposite of a xenophobe kat? Would the exact opposite of a xenophobe be someone who promiscuously embraces foreign cultures while snobbishly rejecting their own home grown culture? Was it Rudd and the greens who were in power when Manus Island was reopened? Quote: PM Kevin Dudd says asylum seekers who arrive by boat will have no chance of being settled in Australia as refugees. Mr Dudd says the new arrangement delivers a message to people smugglers their business model is undermined. The package includes a significant expansion of Manus Island detention centre to house 3000 people up from the original capacity of 600 Leftist source-www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-19/manus-island-detention-centre-to-be-expanded-under-rudd27s-asy/4830778 Labor and the Greens not only reopened Manus Island they expanded the capacity of it to well above Howard's level. The greens and labor are filthy hypocrites and liars!

No.

Try again.

Labor climbed down into the gutter with Abbott and now we are seeing the consequences...the moral of the story is "never follow the devil down a hole."

adelcrow wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 11:42am: Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:56am: Was it Rudd and the greens who were in power when Manus Island was reopened? yes, but under Rudd the asylum seekers weren't left to be beaten by the natives ... it's only After Abbott got in that management of the facility went downhill And of course it was Abbotts excellent campaign of fear and hatred which eventually forced Labor into the gutter with Abbott.

AH, SO Rudd was not the leader of Labor, only a mere puppet with Abbott's hand up his arse all long?

Does Abbott manipulate Shorten to be wet sop to the union spivs and thugs?  Makes sense - the evil geniuses we know as Liberal PMs - Howard and Abbot. Dreadful idiots AND evil clever masterminds at the same time. 
No contradiction it too enormous for lefty progs as long as they can snarl.

Kat wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:10am:

Rider wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 8:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 5:39am: ____ wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:29am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:19am: Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand. One death isn't enough for you guys? More than 1,000 deaths under Labor obviously weren't enough for you Greenies to do something about it while wedded to Gillard... And that is one huge sh1t sandwich the Greens and Labor leftards are gonna be chewing on for ever - geez it must suck when your whole team has had its head shoved down the toilet repeatedly - oh how the haters are hating now  ;D Neither Labor nor the Greens are responsible for these deaths. Nor will their supporters accept or acknowledge any culpability, as there is none. If anyone is responsible, it's the Indonesians, for allowing them to depart in unseaworthy ships and the Libs for refusing to accept that they are refugees, not terrorists after our Centrelink benefits.

If what you say is true, then if a boat carrying 100 illegal immigrants sinks at sea tomorrow it will definitely not be Abbott's fault.

John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:56am: Was it Rudd and the greens who were in power when Manus Island was reopened? yes, but under Rudd the asylum seekers weren't left to be beaten by the natives ... it's only After Abbott got in that management of the facility went downhill

Actually, the truth is that this incident only happened because the detainees are beginning to see that the new government isn't going to bend over and take it up the ass like Rudd & Gillard did for six long years. The detainees now genuinely fear that the risks they took and the effort they put into trying to come here will now likely all be for nothing. This didn't happen when Rudd & Gillard were in office because the detainees and people smugglers knew they could walk right over Rudd & Gillard.

Once again we play the Blame Game.

In the meantime, innocent people are badly injured and at least one is dead.

Anus Island should be closed and all existing refugees processed in Australia.

If they are to be deported, and haven't a passport, issue them another one.

Simple, really. Just like some of the posters here.

:o :o :o

Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:

Once again we play the Blame Game. In the meantime, innocent people are badly injured and at least one is dead. Anus Island should be closed and all existing refugees processed in Australia. If they are to be deported, and haven't a passport, issue them another one. Simple, really. Just like some of the posters here. :o :o :o

Labor tried onshore processing. The result: the trickle turned into a flood of more than 700 boats, over 50,000 people arriving and conservative estimates put the death toll at sea at atleast 1,000 - all under Labor. Labor tried onshore processing and sure enough (as Abbott predicted) it was an utterly abysmal failure.

Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:

Once again we play the Blame Game. In the meantime, innocent people are badly injured and at least one is dead. Anus Island should be closed and all existing refugees processed in Australia. If they are to be deported, and haven't a passport, issue them another one. Simple, really. Just like some of the posters here. :o :o :o

You trying to score a date with SHY

Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:

Once again we play the Blame Game. In the meantime, innocent people are badly injured and at least one is dead.

Ah, but that's where you're wrong: according to the right-wing redneck racist bigots in this forum, brown people aren't "innocent" at all.

Quote:

A witness to the violence at the Manus Island detention centre on Monday night says guards attacked asylum seekers with sticks and iron bars. His is just one of a number of witness accounts emerging following this week’s deadly violence.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-19/guards-attacked-asylum-seekers-with-sticks-and-iron-witness-says/5270640

Morriscum must resign.

I can see two RCs Labor could start in 2016: naval incursions into Indo waters & how the Manus Is ASs were treated etc.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 1:12pm: Once again we play the Blame Game. In the meantime, innocent people are badly injured and at least one is dead. Ah, but that's where you're wrong: according to the right-wing redneck racist bigots in this forum, brown people aren't "innocent" at all.

Emotionally incontinent tantrum because you cannot present an intelligent argument.

You lefty loonies regard coherent thinking and argument as tools of economic and racial oppression. So you spray the hyperbolic shite like graffiti because that's all you can do.

Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:

If they are to be deported, and haven't a passport, issue them another one. Simple, really. Just like some of the posters here. :o :o :o

Er... you cannot issue Australian passports to foreigners. And Australia cannot issue non-Australian passports.


None as simple as you, practically single-cell.

Quote:

Iranian-Australian freelance interpreter Azita Bokan was contracted to work on Manus Island for the Department of Immigration last week. She was on Manus Island during the violent clashes on both nights. Ms Bokan claims she was dismissed on Sunday after trying to intervene in a scuffle between detainees and G4S staff. On Monday night she stood on the roof of the staff housing facility several hundred metres away from the compound and watched the unrest. She has described seeing detainees with horrific injuries after a deadly clash involving large rocks and machetes. “I haven’t had sleep in three nights. I’m so all over the place, myself. I’ve seen too much and I keep having flashbacks,” she told the ABC. “The injuries were horrendous. It was blood everywhere. Throats were cut. It was heads crushed by the rocks.” Ms Bokan claims she saw uniformed G4S guards jump over the fence towards detainees, but could not see who was wielding the rocks and knives because it was too dark and she was too far away. “Everyone was running everywhere saying, ‘help us’, shouting, yelling, lots of yelling was happening, and the people say, ‘they’re killing us, they’re killing us’,” she said. Interactive: Australia’s offshore immigration centres Find out more about Australia’s operations on Christmas Island, Manus Island and Nauru. SELECT A MARKER Ms Bokan says the violence she saw is like nothing she has ever witnessed. “What is in Australia, it does not apply there. I was in Darwin, I was in other detention centres. Nothing compares to what you see in Manus Island,” she said. Ms Bokan says she saw detainees trying to defend themselves by holding up plastic chairs. “I never would’ve thought under Australia’s name we do anything like that. I still keep Australia highly up. I do not believe Australians are about this. We do not accept this in our names.” Immigration Minister Scott Morrison says he has had no verification of anything of the nature described by Ms Bokan. “Those investigations and the collection of that information is under way, and I would caution against such speculation until these matters can be properly confirmed,” he told the ABC. “I imagine there will be all sorts of interviews undertaken from people who were there and the various other authorities and that goes well beyond the perimeter fence. “It goes to establishing the facts of what occurred that night. I think this is going to be a very difficult process.”

(ABC)

Morriscum must resign.

And:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/calls-for-closure-of-australias-gulag-in-papua-new-guinea-after-gangs-kill-asylumseeker-9135332.html

Soren wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 1:12pm: If they are to be deported, and haven't a passport, issue them another one. Simple, really. Just like some of the posters here. :o :o :o Er... you cannot issue Australian passports to foreigners. And Australia cannot issue non-Australian passports. None as simple as you, practically single-cell.

.

They don't have to be Australian passports, dummy.

For example, if I decided to return to NZ, unlikely but who knows, it would be possible to renew my Kiwi passport while still in Australia.

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:15pm:

[quote] Morriscum must resign.

Why? ... because the brain dead moronic half abbott / half ape man creature says so?  ;D ... have another banana knucklehead and stop embarrassing your parents   ;D

____ wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

cods wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:59am: ____ wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:49am: True Blue... wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:13am: Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:04am: True Blue... wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:49am: Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:26am: The ugly stain of this foul treatment of asylum-seekers will take years to eradicate. Thanks for nothing, con-servatives! it was opened under the Labor/Green coalition... so what are you talking about you nincompoop... I'd have thought that would have been obvious. And it was only done under pressure from the Maggot and his followers. Labor actually had a mandate in 2007 to END offshore processing, but the Maggot opposed and whinged from Day One, and ended-up conning the electorate into voting for this travesty. Morrison should be in jail, or at the end of a rope. another lie... Labor/Greens opened up Manus Island and Rudd promised not to touch the Liberals Pacific solution which worked... then Rudd tried to be the hero and shut the pacific solution down... it blew up in his face and created what we see now.. SO YOU take responsibility maggot just like Gillard had no mandate to slap us with a carbon tax.. she did it.. you maggots supported it and now manufacturing in Australia is buggered... it was the last nail in the coffin and the Labrat/Leftard supported this destruction..  once again... TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR SUPPORTING THE WORST GOVERNMENT OF ALL TIME... Ditto to Kats comment LOL... who brought them over in the FIRST PLACE>> will you guys ever accept you opened the doors to PEOPLE SMUGGLERS....not the LIBS.. the LABS THATS RIGHT LEFTIES OPENED THE DOOR AND HELPED THE PEOPLE SMUGGLERS TO START UP ALL OVER AGAIN.... I AM HAPPY TO KEEP REMINDING YOU.. It was the coalition that inflamed the push factors so to create a product for the people trafficers. Remember your illegal war … and now you are creating more refugees by driving AGW harder.

You conveniently forget the Labor / Greens suck factor via their dismal policy.

adelcrow wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 11:42am: Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:56am: Was it Rudd and the greens who were in power when Manus Island was reopened? yes, but under Rudd the asylum seekers weren't left to be beaten by the natives ... it's only After Abbott got in that management of the facility went downhill And of course it was Abbotts excellent campaign of fear and hatred which eventually forced Labor into the gutter with Abbott.

A 1000+ drowned country shoppers would disagree with you.

Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 3:01pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 1:12pm: If they are to be deported, and haven't a passport, issue them another one. Simple, really. Just like some of the posters here. :o :o :o Er... you cannot issue Australian passports to foreigners. And Australia cannot issue non-Australian passports. None as simple as you, practically single-cell. . They don't have to be Australian passports, dummy. For example, if I decided to return to NZ, unlikely but who knows, it would be possible to renew my Kiwi passport while still in Australia.

Cheeses! You really are out to promote the ... er... slow and dense Kiwi stereotype, aren't you?

You are saying that we should have the Afghan, Iranian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Vietnamese etc diplomatic reps flown to Manus and Nauru, set up a tresle table and start re-issuing the passports that were dropped into the water when these people sailed from Indonesia?

Or are you thinking that Australia could issue Afghan, Iranian etc passports?  Or what, if anything, ARE you thinking?

The rioting chumps have failed the character test and should be returned home asap.
The call to close down Manus because of a riot is stupid and makes as much sense as closing down a gaol for the same reason.
The Coalition will hold firm on this, and the rioting criminals should be charged.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:35pm:

The rioting chumps have failed the character test and should be returned home asap. The call to close down Manus because of a riot is stupid and makes as much sense as closing down a gaol for the same reason. The Coalition will hold firm on this, and the rioting criminals should be charged.

What 'character test?'  (Those people are not candidates for asylum in Australia.) 

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:15pm:

Ms Bokan claims she saw uniformed G4S guards jump over the fence towards detainees, but could not see who was wielding the rocks and knives because it was too dark and she was too far away. ... Ms Bokan says she saw detainees trying to defend themselves by holding up plastic chairs.

Australia drives people to holding up plastic chairs. How awful.


PLASTIC chairs!!!!!

Soren wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 3:15pm: Ms Bokan claims she saw uniformed G4S guards jump over the fence towards detainees, but could not see who was wielding the rocks and knives because it was too dark and she was too far away. ... Ms Bokan says she saw detainees trying to defend themselves by holding up plastic chairs. Australia drives people to holding up plastic chairs. How awful. PLASTIC chairs!!!!!

What is your point Soren?

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:35pm:

The rioting chumps have failed the character test and should be returned home asap.

how do you know if they failed or not?

Isn't it amazing how nothing regarding asylum seekers gets out to the media because of operational secrecy, and yet as soon as one asylum seeker holds up a chair it's all over all the papers ... how did that happen?

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 3:35pm: The rioting chumps have failed the character test and should be returned home asap. The call to close down Manus because of a riot is stupid and makes as much sense as closing down a gaol for the same reason. The Coalition will hold firm on this, and the rioting criminals should be charged. What 'character test?'  (Those people are not candidates for asylum in Australia.)

Damn right there not candidates.
Send them home where they belong.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 3:38pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 3:35pm: The rioting chumps have failed the character test and should be returned home asap. The call to close down Manus because of a riot is stupid and makes as much sense as closing down a gaol for the same reason. The Coalition will hold firm on this, and the rioting criminals should be charged. What 'character test?'  (Those people are not candidates for asylum in Australia.)  Damn right there not candidates. Send them home where they belong.

So, what was the 'character test' you were referring to?

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:40pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 3:38pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 3:15pm: Ms Bokan claims she saw uniformed G4S guards jump over the fence towards detainees, but could not see who was wielding the rocks and knives because it was too dark and she was too far away. ... Ms Bokan says she saw detainees trying to defend themselves by holding up plastic chairs. Australia drives people to holding up plastic chairs. How awful. PLASTIC chairs!!!!! What is your point Soren?

Sorry, I didn't realise that bold, highlighted, size 16 font remained elusive.

Iranian Ms Bokan saw almost nothing, by her own admission. She heard a lot of screaming and people holding up plastic chairs.

  This is like the 'navy tortured me by burning my hand' story'. Very little is known but the reflex is to rush to take side against Australia's policy to stop people smugglers sending queue jumpers to Australia.

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:40pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 3:38pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 3:15pm: Ms Bokan claims she saw uniformed G4S guards jump over the fence towards detainees, but could not see who was wielding the rocks and knives because it was too dark and she was too far away. ... Ms Bokan says she saw detainees trying to defend themselves by holding up plastic chairs. Australia drives people to holding up plastic chairs. How awful. PLASTIC chairs!!!!! What is your point Soren?

He wants them sitting down and eating up. The old boy has customers waiting.

Another sheisen, another kroner.

The last thing the old boy wants to see is good stool going to waste.

Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 3:01pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 1:12pm: If they are to be deported, and haven't a passport, issue them another one. Simple, really. Just like some of the posters here. :o :o :o Er... you cannot issue Australian passports to foreigners. And Australia cannot issue non-Australian passports. None as simple as you, practically single-cell. . They don't have to be Australian passports, dummy. For example, if I decided to return to NZ, unlikely but who knows, it would be possible to renew my Kiwi passport while still in Australia.

Wouldn't we be the poorer for it?
All that investment and taxes you pay into our country.

God, how would we manage....

How much do you pay into our country, Andrei?

Plenty son don't you worry

i guess if they have any sense they won't be breaking out anymore hey...  8-)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:46pm:

Plenty son don't you worry

Any Starbucks change make it over here from.Dan Diego, Andrei?

Trickle-down effect, I guess. That homeless vet spends some on Vegemite and Violet Crumbles.

Grendel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:57pm:

i guess if they have any sense they won't be breaking out anymore hey...  8-)

He Grendel, one of the dirty refugee bastards broke my boot with his head. Ha ha ha.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 11:46am: So what's the happiest ending to this story? No other illegals come over here.

The law may have to change.

Karnal wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:27pm:

Trickle-down effect, I guess. That homeless vet spends some on Vegemite and Violet Crumbles.

The margin would find it's way back to Illinois and Switzerland respectively.
You long ago stopped owning anything son.

Was a time when attacking guards and burning down your accommodation would get you a first class ticket to a life of centrelink benefits in Oz ... not any more, Kev and Jules have gone now ;D

adelcrow wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 11:42am: Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:56am: Was it Rudd and the greens who were in power when Manus Island was reopened? yes, but under Rudd the asylum seekers weren't left to be beaten by the natives ... it's only After Abbott got in that management of the facility went downhill And of course it was Abbotts excellent campaign of fear and hatred which eventually forced Labor into the gutter with Abbott.

Nothing to do with the fact that under Labor, more than 700 boats arrived carrying over 50,000 people while more than one thousand people died at sea as a direct result of Rudd's "humanitarian" policy after he dismantled the Pacific Solution? You sound like Gittany's girlfriend: "he is a good man who did not throw his ex off a balcony despite CCTV footage and I will stand by him no matter what!!!"...

Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 3:01pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 1:12pm: If they are to be deported, and haven't a passport, issue them another one. Simple, really. Just like some of the posters here. :o :o :o Er... you cannot issue Australian passports to foreigners. And Australia cannot issue non-Australian passports. None as simple as you, practically single-cell. . They don't have to be Australian passports, dummy. For example, if I decided to return to NZ, unlikely but who knows, it would be possible to renew my Kiwi passport while still in Australia.

You would need to go to a NZ Consulate to do that, as Australia cannot issue you with a passport from another country.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:35pm:

The rioting chumps have failed the character test and should be returned home asap. The call to close down Manus because of a riot is stupid and makes as much sense as closing down a gaol for the same reason. The Coalition will hold firm on this, and the rioting criminals should be charged.

The asylum-seekers should hold firm, and it's the 'govt', through Morrisoff, who should
be charged with human rights abuses.

Shame there isn't a way to force sanctions on the d1ckheads who support this p1ss-poor
excuse for a government, and its xenophobia. They so richly deserve it.

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:07am:

Was a time when attacking guards and burning down your accommodation would get you a first class ticket to a life of centrelink benefits in Oz ... not any more, Kev and Jules have gone now ;D

Worried they might get your dole-cheque?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:43pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:10am: Rider wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 8:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 5:39am: ____ wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:29am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:19am: Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand. One death isn't enough for you guys? More than 1,000 deaths under Labor obviously weren't enough for you Greenies to do something about it while wedded to Gillard... And that is one huge sh1t sandwich the Greens and Labor leftards are gonna be chewing on for ever - geez it must suck when your whole team has had its head shoved down the toilet repeatedly - oh how the haters are hating now  ;D Neither Labor nor the Greens are responsible for these deaths. Nor will their supporters accept or acknowledge any culpability, as there is none. If anyone is responsible, it's the Indonesians, for allowing them to depart in unseaworthy ships and the Libs for refusing to accept that they are refugees, not terrorists after our Centrelink benefits. If what you say is true, then if a boat carrying 100 illegal immigrants sinks at sea tomorrow it will definitely not be Abbott's fault.

Boats sink all the time.

But, generally, the survivors are not abused, marginalised, and thrown
into concentration-camps.

And they are NOT 'illegal. This lie needs to be put to death once and for all.

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:14am:

And they are NOT 'illegal. This lie needs to be put to death once and for all.

According to the Government they are illegal, I think the lawfully elected Australian government might actually trump idiot board lefties on that one  ;D

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:43pm: Kat wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:10am: Rider wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 8:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 5:39am: ____ wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:29am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:19am: Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand. One death isn't enough for you guys? More than 1,000 deaths under Labor obviously weren't enough for you Greenies to do something about it while wedded to Gillard... And that is one huge sh1t sandwich the Greens and Labor leftards are gonna be chewing on for ever - geez it must suck when your whole team has had its head shoved down the toilet repeatedly - oh how the haters are hating now  ;D Neither Labor nor the Greens are responsible for these deaths. Nor will their supporters accept or acknowledge any culpability, as there is none. If anyone is responsible, it's the Indonesians, for allowing them to depart in unseaworthy ships and the Libs for refusing to accept that they are refugees, not terrorists after our Centrelink benefits. If what you say is true, then if a boat carrying 100 illegal immigrants sinks at sea tomorrow it will definitely not be Abbott's fault. Boats sink all the time. But, generally, the survivors are not abused, marginalised, and thrown into concentration-camps. And they are NOT 'illegal. This lie needs to be put to death once and for all.

You really believe the Navy burned that guy's hand? Gawd, you're gullible! ;D ;D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:28am:

You really believe the Navy burned that guy's hand? Gawd, you're gullible! ;D ;D ;D

;D  ... he believes whatever the voices in his head tell him to believe   ;D

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:33am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:28am: You really believe the Navy burned that guy's hand? Gawd, you're gullible! ;D ;D ;D ;D  ... he believes whatever the voices in his head tell him to believe   ;D

Even the ABC has backed away from their original story! ;D ;D ;D

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:43pm: Kat wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:10am: Rider wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 8:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 5:39am: ____ wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:29am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:19am: Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand. One death isn't enough for you guys? More than 1,000 deaths under Labor obviously weren't enough for you Greenies to do something about it while wedded to Gillard... And that is one huge sh1t sandwich the Greens and Labor leftards are gonna be chewing on for ever - geez it must suck when your whole team has had its head shoved down the toilet repeatedly - oh how the haters are hating now  ;D Neither Labor nor the Greens are responsible for these deaths. Nor will their supporters accept or acknowledge any culpability, as there is none. If anyone is responsible, it's the Indonesians, for allowing them to depart in unseaworthy ships and the Libs for refusing to accept that they are refugees, not terrorists after our Centrelink benefits. If what you say is true, then if a boat carrying 100 illegal immigrants sinks at sea tomorrow it will definitely not be Abbott's fault. Boats sink all the time. But, generally, the survivors are not abused, marginalised, and thrown into concentration-camps. And they are NOT 'illegal. This lie needs to be put to death once and for all.

Speaking of lies....  you do realise the idea for those "concentration camps" was Labor policy right?

Grendel wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:34am:

Kat wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:43pm: Kat wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:10am: Rider wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 8:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 5:39am: ____ wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:29am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:19am: Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand. One death isn't enough for you guys? More than 1,000 deaths under Labor obviously weren't enough for you Greenies to do something about it while wedded to Gillard... And that is one huge sh1t sandwich the Greens and Labor leftards are gonna be chewing on for ever - geez it must suck when your whole team has had its head shoved down the toilet repeatedly - oh how the haters are hating now  ;D Neither Labor nor the Greens are responsible for these deaths. Nor will their supporters accept or acknowledge any culpability, as there is none. If anyone is responsible, it's the Indonesians, for allowing them to depart in unseaworthy ships and the Libs for refusing to accept that they are refugees, not terrorists after our Centrelink benefits. If what you say is true, then if a boat carrying 100 illegal immigrants sinks at sea tomorrow it will definitely not be Abbott's fault. Boats sink all the time. But, generally, the survivors are not abused, marginalised, and thrown into concentration-camps. And they are NOT 'illegal. This lie needs to be put to death once and for all. Speaking of lies....  you do realise the idea for those "concentration camps" was Labor policy right?

No. It wasn't.

Labor had immigration centres.

The scum Howard turned them into concentration camps.

And then moved them offshore to avoid their illegality under Australian law.

Libs are racist, xenophobic criminals, nothing more.

You have NO moral high ground to take here, so don't bother to try.

Grendel wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:34am:

Kat wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:43pm: Kat wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:10am: Rider wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 8:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 5:39am: ____ wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:29am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:19am: Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand. One death isn't enough for you guys? More than 1,000 deaths under Labor obviously weren't enough for you Greenies to do something about it while wedded to Gillard... And that is one huge sh1t sandwich the Greens and Labor leftards are gonna be chewing on for ever - geez it must suck when your whole team has had its head shoved down the toilet repeatedly - oh how the haters are hating now  ;D Neither Labor nor the Greens are responsible for these deaths. Nor will their supporters accept or acknowledge any culpability, as there is none. If anyone is responsible, it's the Indonesians, for allowing them to depart in unseaworthy ships and the Libs for refusing to accept that they are refugees, not terrorists after our Centrelink benefits. If what you say is true, then if a boat carrying 100 illegal immigrants sinks at sea tomorrow it will definitely not be Abbott's fault. Boats sink all the time. But, generally, the survivors are not abused, marginalised, and thrown into concentration-camps. And they are NOT 'illegal. This lie needs to be put to death once and for all. Speaking of lies....  you do realise the idea for those "concentration camps" was Labor policy right?

Careful, the kat doesn't understand logic!!!

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:37am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:34am: Kat wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:43pm: Kat wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:10am: Rider wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 8:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 5:39am: ____ wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:29am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:19am: Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand. One death isn't enough for you guys? More than 1,000 deaths under Labor obviously weren't enough for you Greenies to do something about it while wedded to Gillard... And that is one huge sh1t sandwich the Greens and Labor leftards are gonna be chewing on for ever - geez it must suck when your whole team has had its head shoved down the toilet repeatedly - oh how the haters are hating now  ;D Neither Labor nor the Greens are responsible for these deaths. Nor will their supporters accept or acknowledge any culpability, as there is none. If anyone is responsible, it's the Indonesians, for allowing them to depart in unseaworthy ships and the Libs for refusing to accept that they are refugees, not terrorists after our Centrelink benefits. If what you say is true, then if a boat carrying 100 illegal immigrants sinks at sea tomorrow it will definitely not be Abbott's fault. Boats sink all the time. But, generally, the survivors are not abused, marginalised, and thrown into concentration-camps. And they are NOT 'illegal. This lie needs to be put to death once and for all. Speaking of lies....  you do realise the idea for those "concentration camps" was Labor policy right? No. It wasn't. Labor had immigration centres. The scum Howard turned them into concentration camps. And moved them offshore to avoid their illegality under Australian law. You have NO moral high ground to take here, so don't bother to try.

Labor tried onshore processing and it was an abysmal failure. We ended up having 2-3 boats a DAY arriving at the height of the onshore processing farce. Onshore processing has been proven to not work - end of story.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:37am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:34am: Kat wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:43pm: Kat wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:10am: Rider wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 8:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 5:39am: ____ wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:29am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:19am: Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand. One death isn't enough for you guys? More than 1,000 deaths under Labor obviously weren't enough for you Greenies to do something about it while wedded to Gillard... And that is one huge sh1t sandwich the Greens and Labor leftards are gonna be chewing on for ever - geez it must suck when your whole team has had its head shoved down the toilet repeatedly - oh how the haters are hating now  ;D Neither Labor nor the Greens are responsible for these deaths. Nor will their supporters accept or acknowledge any culpability, as there is none. If anyone is responsible, it's the Indonesians, for allowing them to depart in unseaworthy ships and the Libs for refusing to accept that they are refugees, not terrorists after our Centrelink benefits. If what you say is true, then if a boat carrying 100 illegal immigrants sinks at sea tomorrow it will definitely not be Abbott's fault. Boats sink all the time. But, generally, the survivors are not abused, marginalised, and thrown into concentration-camps. And they are NOT 'illegal. This lie needs to be put to death once and for all. Speaking of lies....  you do realise the idea for those "concentration camps" was Labor policy right? Careful, the kat doesn't understand logic!!!

Says someone who wouldn't recognise it if they fell over it.

Grendel wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:34am:

Kat wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:43pm: Kat wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:10am: Rider wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 8:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 5:39am: ____ wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:29am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:19am: Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand. One death isn't enough for you guys? More than 1,000 deaths under Labor obviously weren't enough for you Greenies to do something about it while wedded to Gillard... And that is one huge sh1t sandwich the Greens and Labor leftards are gonna be chewing on for ever - geez it must suck when your whole team has had its head shoved down the toilet repeatedly - oh how the haters are hating now  ;D Neither Labor nor the Greens are responsible for these deaths. Nor will their supporters accept or acknowledge any culpability, as there is none. If anyone is responsible, it's the Indonesians, for allowing them to depart in unseaworthy ships and the Libs for refusing to accept that they are refugees, not terrorists after our Centrelink benefits. If what you say is true, then if a boat carrying 100 illegal immigrants sinks at sea tomorrow it will definitely not be Abbott's fault. Boats sink all the time. But, generally, the survivors are not abused, marginalised, and thrown into concentration-camps. And they are NOT 'illegal. This lie needs to be put to death once and for all. Speaking of lies....  you do realise the idea for those "concentration camps" was Labor policy right?

So what? They are all right-wing and have the same masters and agenda. Abbott is just more of a liar.

SOB

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:37am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:34am: Kat wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:43pm: Kat wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:10am: Rider wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 8:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 5:39am: ____ wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:29am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:19am: Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand. One death isn't enough for you guys? More than 1,000 deaths under Labor obviously weren't enough for you Greenies to do something about it while wedded to Gillard... And that is one huge sh1t sandwich the Greens and Labor leftards are gonna be chewing on for ever - geez it must suck when your whole team has had its head shoved down the toilet repeatedly - oh how the haters are hating now  ;D Neither Labor nor the Greens are responsible for these deaths. Nor will their supporters accept or acknowledge any culpability, as there is none. If anyone is responsible, it's the Indonesians, for allowing them to depart in unseaworthy ships and the Libs for refusing to accept that they are refugees, not terrorists after our Centrelink benefits. If what you say is true, then if a boat carrying 100 illegal immigrants sinks at sea tomorrow it will definitely not be Abbott's fault. Boats sink all the time. But, generally, the survivors are not abused, marginalised, and thrown into concentration-camps. And they are NOT 'illegal. This lie needs to be put to death once and for all. Speaking of lies....  you do realise the idea for those "concentration camps" was Labor policy right? No. It wasn't. Labor had immigration centres. The scum Howard turned them into concentration camps. And then moved them offshore to avoid their illegality under Australian law. Libs are racist, xenophobic criminals, nothing more. You have NO moral high ground to take here, so don't bother to try.

NO Kat...  the detention centres were labor policy and labor's idea from the very beginning.
You lose all credibility when you rant and lie.

Quote:

Keating Government Mandatory detention laws were introduced in Australia by the Keating Labor government, with bipartisan support, in 1992. The legislation was proposed as a result of an influx of Vietnamese, Chinese, and Cambodian refugees over the previous few years. The legislation specifically disallowed judicial review, but did impose a 273 day limit on detention. In 1994, the Keating government introduced new legislation called the Migration Reform Act 1992, broadening the application of mandatory detention to all who did not hold a valid visa, and removing the 273 day limit. The Act was designed to establish "a new visa system making a simple distinction between a ‘lawful’ and ‘unlawful’ non-citizen" and said that "a migration officer had an obligation to detain any person suspected of being unlawful." Non-citizens in Australia without a valid visa were to be considered unlawful and would have to be held in detention, though those who met certain criteria and were not considered flight or security risks could secure lawful status by means of a bridging visa - but bridging visas would not be made available to those who arrived in Australia without visas in the first place (such as boat people). The government said that this was justifiable because visa overstayers had already submitted themselves to proper entry processing offshore and were therefore in a different category to those who had not and that boat arrivals had demonstrated a high likelihood of absconsion where detention was not in place. This was to remain the basis for Australia's system of mandatory detention throughout the subsequent Howard, and Rudd-Gillard Governments.

Let's hope there will be a full investigation into the riots, and the truth be told.

The fear is that our leftwing-dominated media will heavily censor a report that finds it has been the detainees who have been the perpetrators and the brutally violent ones.

It will be deemed by the luvvies to be 'unhelpful' to disclose such news to the public. They won't want to 'further prejudice' public opinion against these 'embattled victims of Abbott's cruel detention system'.

blah blah blah.

Just watch this space.

The apologists will come crawling out of the woodwork as always.

That's why Andrew Bolt, Piers Akerman, and Miranda Devine play a vital role in our news services. But for them we would all be kept in the dark by the latte luvvies.  

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 10:00am:

That's why Andrew Bolt, Piers Akerman, and Miranda Devine play a vital role in our news services. But for them we would all be kept in the dark by the latte luvvies.

You have a wonderful sense of humour.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 10:15am:

You have a wonderful sense of humour.

Be careful I don't have you sent to the Anus Island Detention Centre with all the other arseholes.

I'm not without influence. I have friends in low places.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 2:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:15am: You have a wonderful sense of humour. Be careful I don't have you sent to the Anus Island Detention Centre with all the other arseholes. I'm not without influence. I have friends in low places.

I wouldn't doubt that, and I'm sure that you'd know how to enter through the back door as well.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:06pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 2:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:15am: You have a wonderful sense of humour. Be careful I don't have you sent to the Anus Island Detention Centre with all the other arseholes. I'm not without influence. I have friends in low places. I wouldn't doubt that, and I'm sure that you'd know how to enter through the back door as well.

Hey! That's my patter! Get off the stage, you bum! Someone call Security.

Grendel wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:52am:

Kat wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:37am: Grendel wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:34am: Kat wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:43pm: Kat wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:10am: Rider wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 8:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 5:39am: ____ wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:29am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:19am: Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand. One death isn't enough for you guys? More than 1,000 deaths under Labor obviously weren't enough for you Greenies to do something about it while wedded to Gillard... And that is one huge sh1t sandwich the Greens and Labor leftards are gonna be chewing on for ever - geez it must suck when your whole team has had its head shoved down the toilet repeatedly - oh how the haters are hating now  ;D Neither Labor nor the Greens are responsible for these deaths. Nor will their supporters accept or acknowledge any culpability, as there is none. If anyone is responsible, it's the Indonesians, for allowing them to depart in unseaworthy ships and the Libs for refusing to accept that they are refugees, not terrorists after our Centrelink benefits. If what you say is true, then if a boat carrying 100 illegal immigrants sinks at sea tomorrow it will definitely not be Abbott's fault. Boats sink all the time. But, generally, the survivors are not abused, marginalised, and thrown into concentration-camps. And they are NOT 'illegal. This lie needs to be put to death once and for all. Speaking of lies....  you do realise the idea for those "concentration camps" was Labor policy right? No. It wasn't. Labor had immigration centres. The scum Howard turned them into concentration camps. And then moved them offshore to avoid their illegality under Australian law. Libs are racist, xenophobic criminals, nothing more. You have NO moral high ground to take here, so don't bother to try. NO Kat...  the detention centres were labor policy and labor's idea from the very beginning. You lose all credibility when you rant and lie.

But I didn't 'lie'. I stated as much.

See highlight.

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 5:15pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 7:52am: Kat wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:37am: Grendel wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:34am: Kat wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:43pm: Kat wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:10am: Rider wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 8:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 5:39am: ____ wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:29am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:19am: Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand. One death isn't enough for you guys? More than 1,000 deaths under Labor obviously weren't enough for you Greenies to do something about it while wedded to Gillard... And that is one huge sh1t sandwich the Greens and Labor leftards are gonna be chewing on for ever - geez it must suck when your whole team has had its head shoved down the toilet repeatedly - oh how the haters are hating now  ;D Neither Labor nor the Greens are responsible for these deaths. Nor will their supporters accept or acknowledge any culpability, as there is none. If anyone is responsible, it's the Indonesians, for allowing them to depart in unseaworthy ships and the Libs for refusing to accept that they are refugees, not terrorists after our Centrelink benefits. If what you say is true, then if a boat carrying 100 illegal immigrants sinks at sea tomorrow it will definitely not be Abbott's fault. Boats sink all the time. But, generally, the survivors are not abused, marginalised, and thrown into concentration-camps. And they are NOT 'illegal. This lie needs to be put to death once and for all. Speaking of lies....  you do realise the idea for those "concentration camps" was Labor policy right? No. It wasn't. Labor had immigration centres. The scum Howard turned them into concentration camps. And then moved them offshore to avoid their illegality under Australian law. Libs are racist, xenophobic criminals, nothing more. You have NO moral high ground to take here, so don't bother to try. NO Kat...  the detention centres were labor policy and labor's idea from the very beginning. You lose all credibility when you rant and lie. But I didn't 'lie'. I stated as much. See highlight.

Your little suckphuck mate Kevin reopened Manus  pussie kat    >:( >:(

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 5:15pm:

But I didn't 'lie'. I stated as much. See highlight.

;D ;D your attempted spin is as transparent as glass and so very typical.  Immigration centres conjure up images of places like Nunawading where invited new arrivals were housed whilst looking for jobs and housing.   

Keatings legislation was mandatory detention for those that arrived uninvited and without visas.

Not the same ballpark, not even the same game. 

But nice try comrade.   8-)

I wholeheartedly disagree with on-shore detention. The reason is because on-shore detention is abused by lawyers who work pro-bono to overturn asylum cases through laws they themselves, as well as what refugee advocates lobbied for, who are more in line with far-left politics, such as encouraging boat journeys which is advocated by the socialist faction of The Greens. It is corrupt. It is based on the far-left socialist agenda for open borders. I don’t think that the traumatisation and drowning of children tagged along by others through people smuggling syndicates is acceptable. Several countries that are UN refugee convention signatories are bypassed, such as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyztan and Tajikistan.

I support genuine humanitarian refugee intake, such as from UN run refugee camps. Not asylum seekers arriving to Australian moorings without documentation. Though advocates claim 90% of boat people are genuine refugees. It’s disingenuous & biased as it depends upon the basis of which refugee status was granted. The UNHCR Handbook for asylum seekers specifies in Part B that if there’s no documentation, benefit of the doubt is a preferred option if the asylum claim seems credible. One part actually specifies it’s “frequently necessary to give the applicant the benefit of the doubt” because claimants can’t always prove their case.

harmonious7 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:46pm:

I wholeheartedly disagree with on-shore detention. The reason is because on-shore detention is abused by lawyers who work pro-bono to overturn asylum cases through laws they themselves, as well as what refugee advocates lobbied for, who are more in line with far-left politics, such as encouraging boat journeys which is advocated by the socialist faction of The Greens. It is corrupt. It is based on the far-left socialist agenda for open borders. I don’t think that the traumatisation and drowning of children tagged along by others through people smuggling syndicates is acceptable. Several countries that are UN refugee convention signatories are bypassed, such as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyztan and Tajikistan. I support genuine humanitarian refugee intake, such as from UN run refugee camps. Not asylum seekers arriving to Australian moorings without documentation. Though advocates claim 90% of boat people are genuine refugees. It’s disingenuous & biased as it depends upon the basis of which refugee status was granted. The UNHCR Handbook for asylum seekers specifies in Part B that if there’s no documentation, benefit of the doubt is a preferred option if the asylum claim seems credible. One part actually specifies it’s “frequently necessary to give the applicant the benefit of the doubt” because claimants can’t always prove their case.

Excellent post, 'H'.

You're obviously not one of the 'denialists' and 'apologists' on this subject.

When things get a little crowded in the detention centres it's often the case that in order to ease the pressure and lower the temperature, 'Ministerial Discretion' will release some of these frauds into the Australian community on a sort of 'parole' basis ... with many of them disappearing into the community, never to be found again.

The UK is Australia's Crystal Ball to what's really happening, and that's because the print media in the UK has 'rightwing' mainstream newspapers of the sort that we do not have here in Australia.

Here's a case in point of how the pro bono lawyers, the 'Human Rights' socialists, and the neurotic self-harmers work hard to poison the wells in their own homeland by manipulating the system to ensure that foreigners of criminal liability remain permanently in Britain.

link


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First, the lion’s share of blame lies, of course, with Saleh – a convicted sex offender who exploited the kindness of the society that played host to him.

The writer got this wrong. Needless to say, the main culprits in this whole sorry saga have been the socialists acting as pro bono lawyers and shameless advocates for this piece of trash.

Welcome to the board, 'H'!

harmonious7 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:46pm:

I wholeheartedly disagree with on-shore detention. The reason is because on-shore detention is abused by lawyers who work pro-bono to overturn asylum cases through laws they themselves, as well as what refugee advocates lobbied for, who are more in line with far-left politics, such as encouraging boat journeys which is advocated by the socialist faction of The Greens. It is corrupt. It is based on the far-left socialist agenda for open borders. I don’t think that the traumatisation and drowning of children tagged along by others through people smuggling syndicates is acceptable. Several countries that are UN refugee convention signatories are bypassed, such as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyztan and Tajikistan. I support genuine humanitarian refugee intake, such as from UN run refugee camps. Not asylum seekers arriving to Australian moorings without documentation. Though advocates claim 90% of boat people are genuine refugees. It’s disingenuous & biased as it depends upon the basis of which refugee status was granted. The UNHCR Handbook for asylum seekers specifies in Part B that if there’s no documentation, benefit of the doubt is a preferred option if the asylum claim seems credible. One part actually specifies it’s “frequently necessary to give the applicant the benefit of the doubt” because claimants can’t always prove their case.

Exactly - it would be so very interesting to see just how many "refugees" would be successful in their application for asylum if they didn't destroy their passports and all other identifying documentation. In the absence of such documents, immigration authorities rely on statements made by the applicants. Now, of course they're going to lie through their teeth because obviously they want to see their application succeed and in the absence of any other information, authorities really have little choice but to believe what they're being told.

Also, I'd like to see the government take a harder line with the criteria that must be met for gaining asylum. The UNHCR says that if they pass through or near countries that ARE signatories to the UNHCR refugee convention, it makes their application for asylum null and void. As you stated, they bypass numerous countries hell-bent on making it here. The problem is, however, with no passport, we have little in the way of positively identifying which country they came from and so this makes it difficult to deport them if we don't know where to send them. For this reason alone, I suspect many applications are approved simply because it cannot be proven who they really are or where they came from.

As just one example of how many 'asylum-seekers' are deemed to be fraudulent 'economic migrants' in the European zone, the Iraqis are an indication of how many claimants from other Middle Eastern countries are simply trying to cheat the system.

It's a huge tsunami of rorters trying to access the privileges enjoyed by Westerners.


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The Iraqi parliament has banned the forced return from Europe of tens of thousands of failed asylum seekers and threatened to fine airlines that take part in deportation programmes.

... tens of thousands ...

link.

And of course this scenario would be similar in the Australian context, except that distance, inconvenience, and the Iraqi government's refusal to take them back means they are accepted in their droves by our government.

how many boat ppl should we take?? the question is never answered, why??


because the words all of them who arrive is not a number?

Great lets just bring the entire population of Syria here, or Afghanistan.

How would that work for you bleeding heart do nogooders

Here he is, telling us that the deaths etc occurred outside the centre.  Hear his words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-CGsExLKQg


So, Morrison lied to us, and, given the lie was about to be exposed, he had to come clean.  (Wonder how many other lies and half truths this prick has uttered?)

Click here.


Quote:

"I wish to confirm that, contrary to initial reports received, I have received further information that indicates that the majority of the riotous behaviour that occurred, and the response to that behaviour to restore order to the centre, took place within the perimeter of the centre," the minister said in the statement.

Aussie wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 10:32am:

So, Morrison lied to us, and, given the lie was about to be exposed, he had to come clean.  (Wonder how many other lies and half truths this prick has uttered?) Click here. Quote: "I wish to confirm that, contrary to initial reports received, I have received further information that indicates that the majority of the riotous behaviour that occurred, and the response to that behaviour to restore order to the centre, took place within the perimeter of the centre," the minister said in the statement.

As Scott Morrison wasn't on the spot during this riot/s he can only go by what he was told. If that story has changed, once again he can only respond with details as they come to him, so genius, HTF can he be lying?

You sound more and more like that whining idiot SHY.......

viewpoint wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 10:43am:

Aussie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:32am: So, Morrison lied to us, and, given the lie was about to be exposed, he had to come clean.  (Wonder how many other lies and half truths this prick has uttered?) Click here. Quote: "I wish to confirm that, contrary to initial reports received, I have received further information that indicates that the majority of the riotous behaviour that occurred, and the response to that behaviour to restore order to the centre, took place within the perimeter of the centre," the minister said in the statement. As Scott Morrison wasn't on the spot during this riot/s he can only go by what he was told. If that story has changed, once again he can only respond with details as they come to him, so genius, HTF can he be lying? You sound more and more like that whining idiot SHY.......

Did you hear his words in yourtube link I gave.  He made those statements as fact, not "I have been advised......."  Huge difference, and he knows it.

This bloke has to go.  Not only has he lied, he is directly responsible for the death of a person he had a duty of care to protect.

I did notice that the Greens have been calling this a murder.  Sounds more and more likely.

Morrison and Abbott cannot escape responsibility for it.  It is their scheme, their detention centre, and they a putting refugees there.

harmonious7 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:46pm:

I wholeheartedly disagree with on-shore detention. The reason is because on-shore detention is abused by lawyers who work pro-bono to overturn asylum cases through laws they themselves, as well as what refugee advocates lobbied for, who are more in line with far-left politics, such as encouraging boat journeys which is advocated by the socialist faction of The Greens. It is corrupt. It is based on the far-left socialist agenda for open borders. I don’t think that the traumatisation and drowning of children tagged along by others through people smuggling syndicates is acceptable. Several countries that are UN refugee convention signatories are bypassed, such as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyztan and Tajikistan. I support genuine humanitarian refugee intake, such as from UN run refugee camps. Not asylum seekers arriving to Australian moorings without documentation. Though advocates claim 90% of boat people are genuine refugees. It’s disingenuous & biased as it depends upon the basis of which refugee status was granted. The UNHCR Handbook for asylum seekers specifies in Part B that if there’s no documentation, benefit of the doubt is a preferred option if the asylum claim seems credible. One part actually specifies it’s “frequently necessary to give the applicant the benefit of the doubt” because claimants can’t always prove their case.

bump

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:13am:

harmonious7 wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 7:46pm: I wholeheartedly disagree with on-shore detention. The reason is because on-shore detention is abused by lawyers who work pro-bono to overturn asylum cases through laws they themselves, as well as what refugee advocates lobbied for, who are more in line with far-left politics, such as encouraging boat journeys which is advocated by the socialist faction of The Greens. It is corrupt. It is based on the far-left socialist agenda for open borders. I don’t think that the traumatisation and drowning of children tagged along by others through people smuggling syndicates is acceptable. Several countries that are UN refugee convention signatories are bypassed, such as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyztan and Tajikistan. I support genuine humanitarian refugee intake, such as from UN run refugee camps. Not asylum seekers arriving to Australian moorings without documentation. Though advocates claim 90% of boat people are genuine refugees. It’s disingenuous & biased as it depends upon the basis of which refugee status was granted. The UNHCR Handbook for asylum seekers specifies in Part B that if there’s no documentation, benefit of the doubt is a preferred option if the asylum claim seems credible. One part actually specifies it’s “frequently necessary to give the applicant the benefit of the doubt” because claimants can’t always prove their case. bump

Turn it up Mr Cyclist.  At least, get relevant!

Just to piss of the Greens

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:07am:

Just to piss of the Greens

hillarious.... wasnt it their fault it was opened in the first place????>...

I am sure they wailed and wailed about the pacific solution.. thought it was cruel and should be abandoned.... it was them wasnt it????? :D :D :D :D


Manus Island opened in 2001 along with another facility on Nauru under the government of John Howard as part of the "Pacific Solution" response to large numbers of people seeking asylum by boat. Among the 1,637 asylum seekers processed between the two centres were the 433 passengers from the Tampa.

Both centres were heavily criticised for the conditions asylum seekers lived in and the lack of access given to human rights organisations. The Australian human rights commission was denied assistance by the department of immigration in accessing Manus for inspection.

Kevin Rudd closed both centres in 2008, by which time no asylum seeker had been held at the Manus Island centre since the last refugee Aladdin Sisalem left in 2004. Sisalem was the sole detainee for 10 months at a cost to Australia of $250,000 a month.



HOHUM....

The last 2 Posts were moved here from Politicians Suck by perceptions_now.

One thing that should be questioned in the highest places is why are the detention centres in the care of contract workers from an overseas company?

If nothing else this must be costing the taxpayer three times what it would otherwise cost if the staff were Australians employed under the Public Service Act.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:31am:

One thing that should be questioned in the highest places is why are the detention centres in the care of contract workers from an overseas company? If nothing else this must be costing the taxpayer three times what it would otherwise cost if the staff were Australians employed under the Public Service Act.

As I have already said......it is a dumb attempt by Abbott/Morrison to break the chain of responsibility which leads straight to their desks.

You can already find comments along those lines, similar to "We charged 'Blame us Inc.,' with the duty of protecting the refugees, so it was not out fault."

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:31am:

One thing that should be questioned in the highest places is why are the detention centres in the care of contract workers from an overseas company? If nothing else this must be costing the taxpayer three times what it would otherwise cost if the staff were Australians employed under the Public Service Act.

;D ;D ;D  On living away from mummy allowance

PNG allowance

Triple time weekends

Heat allowance

Black fella nearby allowance

No drinking allowance

And all the rest of the bullshyte   to Expensive   >:( >:(

harmonious7 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:46pm:

I wholeheartedly disagree with on-shore detention. The reason is because on-shore detention is abused by lawyers who work pro-bono to overturn asylum cases through laws they themselves, as well as what refugee advocates lobbied for, who are more in line with far-left politics, such as encouraging boat journeys which is advocated by the socialist faction of The Greens. It is corrupt. It is based on the far-left socialist agenda for open borders. I don’t think that the traumatisation and drowning of children tagged along by others through people smuggling syndicates is acceptable. Several countries that are UN refugee convention signatories are bypassed, such as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyztan and Tajikistan. I support genuine humanitarian refugee intake, such as from UN run refugee camps. Not asylum seekers arriving to Australian moorings without documentation. Though advocates claim 90% of boat people are genuine refugees. It’s disingenuous & biased as it depends upon the basis of which refugee status was granted. The UNHCR Handbook for asylum seekers specifies in Part B that if there’s no documentation, benefit of the doubt is a preferred option if the asylum claim seems credible. One part actually specifies it’s “frequently necessary to give the applicant the benefit of the doubt” because claimants can’t always prove their case.

You are incorrect mate.....The laws that enable lawyers to challenge asylum seeker claims is enshrined in the Australian Constitution which is the basis for all our laws.....Anyone can challenge a decision made by an officer of the Australian Commonwealth in the High Court of Australia, they do not need to be a resident of Australia or residing in Australia to be afforded this right.....These people are innocent and have committed no crime under Australian or International law!!!

>:( >:( >:(

I have no doubt that a certain percentage of the contract workers for this facility would have to be local, as the PNG government would stipulate when they agreed to the centre, therefore the contractor G4S (Group4/Securicor) would have to employ them. It would probably cost much more for Australian Corrections personnel to staff the place.

woody2014 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:40am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 11:31am: One thing that should be questioned in the highest places is why are the detention centres in the care of contract workers from an overseas company? If nothing else this must be costing the taxpayer three times what it would otherwise cost if the staff were Australians employed under the Public Service Act. ;D ;D ;D  On living away from mummy allowance PNG allowance Triple time weekends Heat allowance Black fella nearby allowance No drinking allowance And all the rest of the bullshyte   to Expensive   >:( >:(

You have a point there, Woody. I'm letting you be my guru and mentor for the next couple of days.

No smoking on the premises allowance.

No 'Craig Thompson-style' Nooky Allowance.

Muslim-Proximity Danger Pay.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:31am:

One thing that should be questioned in the highest places is why are the detention centres in the care of contract workers from an overseas company? If nothing else this must be costing the taxpayer three times what it would otherwise cost if the staff were Australians employed under the Public Service Act.

Not only staff, but also their accommodation.....


EXCLUSIVE
Taxpayers are footing a more-than $73,400 nightly bill for detention centre staff to stay in a floating hotel moored off Papua New Guinea's Manus Island, Fairfax can reveal.

Government contracts show the department of immigration will spend more than $13.3 million to temporarily accommodate staff aboard the Bibby Progress, for seven months to May 30.

According to the website of Bibby Maritime, the British company contracted to provide floating accommodation for detention centre staff, the Bibby Progress boasts a large bar, restaurant, gym and roof terrace.
In October, the Department of Immigration and Border Protection listed a contract worth $1.2 million for the lease of the Bibby Progress to accommodate staff from the detention centre between October 31 and May 31. But it added a fresh contract in November worth more than $12 million, also to Bibby Maritime, for providing temporary accommodation for staff. Together, the contracts will provide for the accommodation of up to 310 staff in 159 bedrooms.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/133-million-hotel-bill-for-manus-island-staff-20140222-338wn.html#ixzz2u7641D5e
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And Morrison is planning on sending another 100 staff.
Will that increase the cost by another 30%???

;D

It's absolute madness, Froggie.

Why can't some old guys under retirement age who are on Work for the Dole be flown out there to Anus Island to look after these arseholes?

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$13.3 million to temporarily accommodate staff

For that sort of loot I could possibly raise the  Ex-HMAS Adelaide, patch it up, fit it out and tow it to Manus to use as accommodation.

And think of all that employment I would be providing to Australians......

;)

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 1:56pm:

It's absolute madness, Froggie. Why can't some old guys under retirement age who are on Work for the Dole be flown out there to Anus Island to look after these arseholes?

Or us ex-nashos looking to supplement our pension......

;D ;D ;D

Lobo wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 1:56pm: It's absolute madness, Froggie. Why can't some old guys under retirement age who are on Work for the Dole be flown out there to Anus Island to look after these arseholes? Or us ex-nashos looking to supplement our pension...... ;D ;D ;D

Yes!

Don't forget to take your Bouncing Betties with you.

When you get there, threaten these Muslim detainees with VIOLENCE. They understand that kind of language. You can even rig up a suicide belt on you and tell them to behave themselves or else ....

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:20pm:

Lobo wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:05pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 1:56pm: It's absolute madness, Froggie. Why can't some old guys under retirement age who are on Work for the Dole be flown out there to Anus Island to look after these arseholes? Or us ex-nashos looking to supplement our pension...... ;D ;D ;D Yes! Don't forget to take your Bouncing Betties with you.

Crap, no.......
Might trigger the bastard by accident.
Rather sit on the friendly side of a Claymore......

No prizes for tipping where I'd be pointing the unfriendly side......

;D ;D ;D

But if I was Morrison I'd surround myself with lots of 3-star Generals!!