In a functioning democracy, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison would resign over the Manus Island riot. This is a low point in a decade-long campaign of dehumanisation, writes Ben Eltham

It’s always depressing to say, “I told you so”. Not every prediction is accurate, and even an accurate warning can sometimes be ignored for the best of reasons. But when things go wrong it is necessary to ask why, and to remind ourselves that it didn’t have to be this way.

That’s the situation Australia finds itself in this morning, as we wake up to the brutal reality of our immigration policies.

After two consecutive nights of rioting in and around the Manus Island detention centre in Papua New Guinea, one man is dead, 77 are injured, and Australia’s policy of sending innocent people seeking asylum to concentration camps in neighbouring countries is in tatters. NM editor Marni Cordell is covering the story as it unfolds.

When local Manus Islanders are sufficiently angry about the concentration camp in the middle of their home island to go on a violent rampage – breaking into the camp and attacking the inmates, reportedly aided by police – it’s plain that the future of the Manus Island centre is untenable.

When asylum seekers waiting to be processed can actually be killed, it’s plain that Australia has failed in its most basic obligations to care for those under our charge. And the government continues to hide behind a cloak of “operational security”.

It’s possible to construct a kind of utilitarian calculus to defend such a policy: one that argues that even a death and many injuries in such a scenario can be balanced by the many lives of those who no longer travel to Australia in leaky boats, lives saved by tougher deterrence.

That, roughly, is one half of the argument the government mounts on border protection – the other half being that border protection is something the Australian nation has a sovereign right to decide.

But the sad truth is such utilitarian equations can’t really be calculated with precision. We just don’t have the information. Owing to the veil of silence that has descended on border security policy, we don’t actually know how many boats have been turned back. We don’t know how many boats have sunk, undetected. We don’t know whether the monsoon is providing the real deterrent. All we know is that no boats have recently “arrived” – in other words, evaded the Navy and Customs.

Anyone arguing that tougher measures are saving lives is simply guessing. There is no data to support the claim. The data the government is releasing is incomplete and unreliable.

On the other hand, we know an awful lot about conditions on Manus Island. We know, though a Freedom of Information request by Guardian Australia, that there were 110 “incidents” on Manus in just four months last year.

We know that detention imposes crippling mental health impacts on those locked up in limbo. We know that the jail on Manus is manifestly inadequate, with substandard accommodation, sanitation and water supplies.

We know that the Australian government has set lower standards for Manus than for detention centres on Australian soil. We know that the firm contracted to manage and run the centre, G4S, has a notorious record for lax safety regimes and rampant profiteering.



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We also know that building a multi-million dollar facility in the middle of impoverished Papua New Guinea was a recipe for local resentment and unrest. As one source told NM this morning:

“They’re really against the centre, they don’t understand what it is, they just see millions and millions of dollars being spent feeding and housing these people, and bringing all these people in to work just to house them. They just see all this money coming in.”

And today we know that know that one person has been murdered, and 77 more injured, under the Australian government’s care.

Informed observers have been warning of such a catastrophe for months. All the evidence was clear. Academic Kristian Lasslett warned in a series of articles on NM last year of the complexities of resettling asylum seekers in PNG.

“Approximately 85 per cent of Papua New Guineans live in rural areas,” Lasslett pointed out. “Their access to land – which is essential to livelihoods – is assured through a customary system of tenure that is organised along kinship lines. Land ownership in rural areas will thus be barred to refugees, because they have no connection with indigenous clans and lineages so vital to rural life in PNG.”

The fact that Manus Island locals disapproved of the detention centre was no secret. Back in July, the ABC’s Liam Fox travelled to the island and reported on local reactions to the facility. A local priest, Dominic Maka, told him that there would be big social impacts, but that locals hadn’t been properly consulted.

“There will be lots of moral impact too,” Maka said. “That all these thing we haven't given a chance to talk about.” In September, there was a protest against the Manus facility by local landowners. Manus elder George Lokowah told Fox that the priority should be development, not a foreign prison. “We need development like health, education, roads. That's what we need,” he said.

Offshore processing has failed. Just as many said it would. It is only popular because of the long and successful campaign of dehumanisation and demonisation mounted against asylum seekers on the basis of their hope for a better life.

How much longer will this border protection madness continue? Under Abbott and Morrison, the policy has already severely damaged Australia’s relationship with Indonesia. It is now destabilising our relationship with Papua New Guinea. And a man has been killed while under our protection.

In any kind of functioning democracy, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison would now resign. As the minister in charge of this evil charade, under Westminster conventions he is ultimately the person who needs to take responsibility. This is the course of action that the Coalition demanded of Labor’s Peter Garrett when four insulation installers – in the private sector, mind you, with no direct chain of command to the minister – died in 2009.

Of course, Morrison won’t resign. He has already demonstrated a surpassing moral flexibility when it comes to manipulating public sentiment for political gain. And even the refugee lobby recognises that harsh measures against asylum seekers are popular in the community. Such are the dark consequences of a decade-long campaign of dehumanisation, against innocent people, for the benefit of politicians and shock jocks.



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Why should he resign he'll probably be our next PM.

Ouch! That's gotta hurt... ;D ;D ;D

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Resign.....hahahahaha...

his portfolio should be expanded to include -

- communication
- public service
- climate change
- education
- health
- etc etc

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John S wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

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Great job Scott, keep on doing what you're doing.........

There have been enough warnings about conditions on Manus Isl, and as Australians trained the PNG police involved the Minister should have known that there would be riots.

So the death of one detainee is on his hands and he should resign.

In a functioning democracy the people get what they voted for.
Only the delusional could suggest that "stop the boats" was not A key focus of the Abbott/Morrison election campaign if not THE focus.
Ergo, we have a functioning democracy because tha's what the people have got.
To suggest in the light of this that Morrison should resign is pissing in the wind.
Watch out there O Wise One.

The death of the detainee is down to Morrison.

just about everyone on Manus is there thanks to krudd mark 11... it was his idea his plan we talked ONeil into signing up......he is the one that is fully responsible... lets see him stand up and take ownership.?????>?.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Nope—the Libs are running the show now.

Watch this space for signs of dripping tears.

Will Morrison be charged?

As they are detained by the Australian govt, the govt. has a duty of care to provide a safe place for them whilst their claims are being processed  .. it has failed to provide that and now people are being killed.

According to reports I've seen, Australian security officers were the first to run away as soon as rumours of trouble started, leaving defenceless asylum seekers locked up with no way to run or defend themselves ..

this is a deplorable situation and Abbott needs to step up to the plate and put an end to it one way or the other.

The lefts plan to turn Australia into a retirement village for middle eastern bludgers is in tatters thanks to Morrison, no wonder the smacking losers hate him  ;D ;D ;D

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:34am:

Watch this space for signs of dripping tears.

the only time you're likely to cry is when you get your tax bill .... lucky for you you are unlikely to find yourself in the position these people are in, although the way the libs are going that situation appears to be getting closer and closer for you

viewpoint wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:22am:

Great job Scott, keep on doing what you're doing.........

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:41am:

The lefts plan to turn Australia into a retirement village for middle eastern bludgers is in tatters thanks to Morrison, no wonder the smacking losers hate him  ;D ;D ;D

To the both of you put yourself in asylum seeker shoes look at things through their eyes for a change.

If you were living in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq and you know you or your family could get blown up at any time just for walking down the street, or your wife or daughters could get raped and you can’t report it as they would be blamed for the rape. Your daughters can’t go to school and get a education and your wife and daughters are treated as second class citizen. We take voting for our politicians in Australia as a right but in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq you could get shoot for going to vote.

If any of that was happening to you wouldn’t you want to leave and find a safe country to bring your family to and bring them up in? Somewhere where everyone is treated equal somewhere where anyone breaking the law is punished by raping someone not the victim by reporting the rape.


Now what would do would you stop where you were or would you flee to a safer country?

If you were living in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq and you know you or your family could get blown up at any time just for walking down the street, or your wife or daughters could get raped and you can’t report it as they would be blamed for the rape. Your daughters can’t go to school and get a education and your wife and daughters are treated as second class citizen. We take voting for our politicians in Australia as a right but in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq you could get shoot for going to vote.


So your solution is to allow them all to come here - which is the inevitable consequence of your open door bleeding heart policy - so that eventually the rest of us have to live like that.
You are a total A no 1 fool !
Thank God for men like Abbott & Morrison who have the guts to stand up for this country.

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

If you were living in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq and you know you or your family could get blown up at any time just for walking down the street, or your wife or daughters could get raped and you can’t report it as they would be blamed for the rape. Your daughters can’t go to school and get a education and your wife and daughters are treated as second class citizen. We take voting for our politicians in Australia as a right but in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq you could get shoot for going to vote. So your solution is to allow them all to come here - which is the inevitable consequence of your open door bleeding heart policy - so that eventually the rest of us have to live like that. You are a total A no 1 fool ! Thank God for men like Abbott & Morrison who have the guts to stand up for this country.

So you can't answer on what you would do if you were in their shoes?

Give him a medal.

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:26am:

There have been enough warnings about conditions on Manus Isl, and as Australians trained the PNG police involved the Minister should have known that there would be riots. So the death of one detainee is on his hands and he should resign.

But Geooooorge..
Labor reopened Manus and made the current agreement re resettlement with the PNG Government.  :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

FriYAY wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 12:10pm:

Give him a medal.

We'll give him a biscuit.

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

So your solution is to allow them all to come here

You know I might have some sympathy for your standpoint if you hadn't been one of the loudest cheerers for the invasion of these countries.

The invasion & subsequent destruction of even the most basic of services, not to mention the explosion in radicals is a

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

inevitable consequence of your

armchair generaling.

Did you also demand the Vietnamese be deported back to their hell hole?

No of course you didn't, simply because those fools in power didn't make them an issue of fear & hatred.

Those that did & now have you in a constant state of fear & anxiety were still underlings.

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:34am:

Nope—the Libs are running the show now.

Complete bias and denial...
you should stop posting while you are ahead Monkey Boy.

Grendel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 12:15pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:34am: Nope—the Libs are running the show now. Complete bias and denial... you should stop posting while you are ahead Monkey Boy.

why? you don't think the libs are running things?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

sure, they are doing a crap job of it, but it's still their show

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 12:10pm: Give him a medal.

Nada.........

I concede the point Labor re opened Manus, however there have been several independent reports on tensions with locals & conditions since Liberals forming government.

In fact Morrison deliberately advertises the conditions as a "Deterrent"
He deliberately sprouts NO EXCEPTIONS & has framed the whole sorry saga as a war footing.

You cant have your cake & eat it

Either Morrison is responsible for "Stopping the Boats" & therefor the death of this person under his governments care.

Or Labor stopped the boats & should be put back into government at least for Asylum seekers because frankly Morrison has failed.

Which do you want?

Don't pay a smuggler to bring you to OZ.

Don't riot and break out of detention.

Fixed.....

Should he resign? Yes, but he won't.

Should he be sacked, charged and jailed? Undoubtedly.

Kat wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:29pm:

Should he resign? Yes, but he won't. Should he be sacked, charged and jailed? Undoubtedly.

Should you be the subject of experimental brain surgery in order to find out how someone so profoundly stupid can type ... absolutely  :)

FriYAY wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 12:26pm:

Don't pay a smuggler to bring you to OZ. Don't riot and break out of detention. Fixed.....

Don't have homicidal axe murderers bust down your tent and hack you and beat you with sticks.

Problem solved.

John S wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:22am: Great job Scott, keep on doing what you're doing......... Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:41am: The lefts plan to turn Australia into a retirement village for middle eastern bludgers is in tatters thanks to Morrison, no wonder the smacking losers hate him  ;D ;D ;D To the both of you put yourself in asylum seeker shoes look at things through their eyes for a change. If you were living in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq and you know you or your family could get blown up at any time just for walking down the street, or your wife or daughters could get raped and you can’t report it as they would be blamed for the rape. Your daughters can’t go to school and get a education and your wife and daughters are treated as second class citizen. We take voting for our politicians in Australia as a right but in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq you could get shoot for going to vote. If any of that was happening to you wouldn’t you want to leave and find a safe country to bring your family to and bring them up in? Somewhere where everyone is treated equal somewhere where anyone breaking the law is punished by raping someone not the victim by reporting the rape. Now what would do would you stop where you were or would you flee to a safer country?

However, fleeing to a safer country doesn't mean paying criminals to transport you 'under the radar', nor does it mean destroying ALL documentation before arriving so your identity and/or criminal record (or lack there of) can't be ascertained.

It'd be cheaper to arrive by plane, with all identity documents in hand and THEN lodge an asylum claim, just like thousands of legit refugees do every year.

Don't have homicidal axe murderers bust down your tent and hack you and beat you with sticks.

Problem solved.

Exactly, best of staying the hell away from people smugglers.

There are far more deserving cases, genuine asylum seekers who reside in camps in many countries waiting for their claim for asylum to be granted. They have applied through the correct channels, and endure camp conditions until their asylum claims are granted. They neither have the money to pay people smugglers nor do they want to enter a country illegally. These are the people this country would welcome, not boat load after boat load of cashed up queue jumpers who care nothing about Australian sovereign borders. They behave dishonourably and have acted illegally before they even touch land, Manus or otherwise.

viewpoint wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

There are far more deserving cases, genuine asylum seekers who reside in camps in many countries waiting for their claim for asylum to be granted. They have applied through the correct channels, and endure camp conditions until their asylum claims are granted. They neither have the money to pay people smugglers nor do they want to enter a country illegally. These are the people this country would welcome, not boat load after boat load of cashed up queue jumpers who care nothing about Australian sovereign borders. They behave dishonourably and have acted illegally before they even touch land, Manus or otherwise.

Which is why a key part of the Malaysia solution was taking these people you are so desperately sad for in whilst returning those who engage smugglers.
Sure 800 was the start point but as sure as anything it would have been increased.

Did you say that was a good policy?
Did you argue here it should be at least given a chance?

Don't hide behind the High Court, they only enact the law, at any stage Tony could have joined with Labor & amended the law to make it happen.


Stop your disgusting crocodile tears, you don't give a flying *** about anyone.

FriYAY wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

Don't have homicidal axe murderers bust down your tent and hack you and beat you with sticks. Problem solved. Exactly, best of staying the hell away from people smugglers.

People-smugglers? I was referring to biscuit-nibblers.

STOP THE BOATS.

I thought this was funny  ;D



I thought the “asylum seeker” unfortunately killed on Manus Island was actually seeking asylum from the wicked Iranian regime. So why this protest over his fate?

IRAN’S foreign ministry has reportedly summoned Australia’s ambassador to protest the death of an Iranian asylum-seeker during rioting on Manus Island...


Shouldn't he be saying thanks?  ;D

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:29pm: Should he resign? Yes, but he won't. Should he be sacked, charged and jailed? Undoubtedly. Should you be the subject of experimental brain surgery in order to find out how someone so profoundly stupid can type ... absolutely  :)

why? have they finished with you already????

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

John S wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:55am: viewpoint wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:22am: Great job Scott, keep on doing what you're doing......... Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:41am: The lefts plan to turn Australia into a retirement village for middle eastern bludgers is in tatters thanks to Morrison, no wonder the smacking losers hate him  ;D ;D ;D To the both of you put yourself in asylum seeker shoes look at things through their eyes for a change. If you were living in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq and you know you or your family could get blown up at any time just for walking down the street, or your wife or daughters could get raped and you can’t report it as they would be blamed for the rape. Your daughters can’t go to school and get a education and your wife and daughters are treated as second class citizen. We take voting for our politicians in Australia as a right but in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq you could get shoot for going to vote. If any of that was happening to you wouldn’t you want to leave and find a safe country to bring your family to and bring them up in? Somewhere where everyone is treated equal somewhere where anyone breaking the law is punished by raping someone not the victim by reporting the rape. Now what would do would you stop where you were or would you flee to a safer country? However, fleeing to a safer country doesn't mean paying criminals to transport you 'under the radar', nor does it mean destroying ALL documentation before arriving so your identity and/or criminal record (or lack there of) can't be ascertained. It'd be cheaper to arrive by plane, with all identity documents in hand and THEN lodge an asylum claim, just like thousands of legit refugees do every year.

if you had the money, why wouldn't you pay someone to take you somewhere where you're able to have a better quality of life? I

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:29pm: Should he resign? Yes, but he won't. Should he be sacked, charged and jailed? Undoubtedly. Should you be the subject of experimental brain surgery in order to find out how someone so profoundly stupid can type ... absolutely  :)

FOAD.

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:29pm: Should he resign? Yes, but he won't. Should he be sacked, charged and jailed? Undoubtedly. Should you be the subject of experimental brain surgery in order to find out how someone so profoundly stupid can type ... absolutely  :)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

viewpoint wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

There are far more deserving cases, genuine asylum seekers who reside in camps in many countries waiting for their claim for asylum to be granted. They have applied through the correct channels, and endure camp conditions until their asylum claims are granted. They neither have the money to pay people smugglers nor do they want to enter a country illegally. These are the people this country would welcome, not boat load after boat load of cashed up queue jumpers who care nothing about Australian sovereign borders. They behave dishonourably and have acted illegally before they even touch land, Manus or otherwise.

Oh yeah, sure!

Sorry, don’t believe you.

Talking about country shoppers and the other crap—in SE Asia we are the only country that have signed the UN convention on refugees.

What you are weeping hypocritical crocodile tears over was part of the Malaysian Solution. The two conservative Parties, Libs and Greens both blocked that. I cannot express the contempt I feel for both those a***hole parties without getting banned for 1000 years!

Scott Morrison is doing a great job with the most difficult portfolio. Are the papers full of news every day about more legal boats invading our north?...No they aren't.

Under Morrison's stewardship the Royal Australian Navy is kicking arse at last, free of the manacles KRudd and Co. put on it.

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red baron wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:27pm:

Scott Morrison is doing a great job with the most difficult portfolio. Are the papers full of news every day about more legal boats invading our north?...No they aren't.

True.  We are being handed the mushroom treatment.


Quote:

Under Morrison's stewardship the Royal Australian Navy is kicking arse at last, free of the manacles KRudd and Co. put on it.

How do you know what the Navy is doing.

John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:39pm: John S wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:55am: viewpoint wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:22am: Great job Scott, keep on doing what you're doing......... Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:41am: The lefts plan to turn Australia into a retirement village for middle eastern bludgers is in tatters thanks to Morrison, no wonder the smacking losers hate him  ;D ;D ;D To the both of you put yourself in asylum seeker shoes look at things through their eyes for a change. If you were living in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq and you know you or your family could get blown up at any time just for walking down the street, or your wife or daughters could get raped and you can’t report it as they would be blamed for the rape. Your daughters can’t go to school and get a education and your wife and daughters are treated as second class citizen. We take voting for our politicians in Australia as a right but in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq you could get shoot for going to vote. If any of that was happening to you wouldn’t you want to leave and find a safe country to bring your family to and bring them up in? Somewhere where everyone is treated equal somewhere where anyone breaking the law is punished by raping someone not the victim by reporting the rape. Now what would do would you stop where you were or would you flee to a safer country? However, fleeing to a safer country doesn't mean paying criminals to transport you 'under the radar', nor does it mean destroying ALL documentation before arriving so your identity and/or criminal record (or lack there of) can't be ascertained. It'd be cheaper to arrive by plane, with all identity documents in hand and THEN lodge an asylum claim, just like thousands of legit refugees do every year. if you had the money, why wouldn't you pay someone to take you somewhere where you're able to have a better quality of life? I

Why pay $5000 or $10,000 for a boat ride, indefinite detention and no chance of settling in Australia, when you can pay around $400 per person on a plane and have almost guaranteed settlement?

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John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:03pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:29pm: Should he resign? Yes, but he won't. Should he be sacked, charged and jailed? Undoubtedly. Should you be the subject of experimental brain surgery in order to find out how someone so profoundly stupid can type ... absolutely  :) why? have they finished with you already????

What are you his carer?  ;D

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:07pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:39pm: John S wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:55am: viewpoint wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:22am: Great job Scott, keep on doing what you're doing......... Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:41am: The lefts plan to turn Australia into a retirement village for middle eastern bludgers is in tatters thanks to Morrison, no wonder the smacking losers hate him  ;D ;D ;D To the both of you put yourself in asylum seeker shoes look at things through their eyes for a change. If you were living in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq and you know you or your family could get blown up at any time just for walking down the street, or your wife or daughters could get raped and you can’t report it as they would be blamed for the rape. Your daughters can’t go to school and get a education and your wife and daughters are treated as second class citizen. We take voting for our politicians in Australia as a right but in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq you could get shoot for going to vote. If any of that was happening to you wouldn’t you want to leave and find a safe country to bring your family to and bring them up in? Somewhere where everyone is treated equal somewhere where anyone breaking the law is punished by raping someone not the victim by reporting the rape. Now what would do would you stop where you were or would you flee to a safer country? However, fleeing to a safer country doesn't mean paying criminals to transport you 'under the radar', nor does it mean destroying ALL documentation before arriving so your identity and/or criminal record (or lack there of) can't be ascertained. It'd be cheaper to arrive by plane, with all identity documents in hand and THEN lodge an asylum claim, just like thousands of legit refugees do every year. if you had the money, why wouldn't you pay someone to take you somewhere where you're able to have a better quality of life? I Why pay $5000 or $10,000 for a boat ride, indefinite detention and no chance of settling in Australia, when you can pay around $400 per person on a plane and have almost guaranteed settlement?

because you can only get onto a plane with a passport AND a visa, obtaining said passport usually requires applying to your government, in the case of asylum seekers many of them are RUNNING from their government ...

they may as well send them an invitation saying come and shoot me at this address at this time, dress casual

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:03pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:29pm: Should he resign? Yes, but he won't. Should he be sacked, charged and jailed? Undoubtedly. Should you be the subject of experimental brain surgery in order to find out how someone so profoundly stupid can type ... absolutely  :) why? have they finished with you already???? What are you his carer?  ;D

why? you looking for an experienced carer?

No , in all seriousness, he has performed a miracle in stopping the boats this quickly. i did not think it was possible.
If he does resign, he should look at private industry, as he would get a massive bonus for getting such a monumental task accomplished so efficiently.
Well done scott.  an order of australia ,next year to acknowledge your fine work

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 4:17pm:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:51pm: There are far more deserving cases, genuine asylum seekers who reside in camps in many countries waiting for their claim for asylum to be granted. They have applied through the correct channels, and endure camp conditions until their asylum claims are granted. They neither have the money to pay people smugglers nor do they want to enter a country illegally. These are the people this country would welcome, not boat load after boat load of cashed up queue jumpers who care nothing about Australian sovereign borders. They behave dishonourably and have acted illegally before they even touch land, Manus or otherwise. Which is why a key part of the Malaysia solution was taking these people you are so desperately sad for in whilst returning those who engage smugglers. Sure 800 was the start point but as sure as anything it would have been increased. Did you say that was a good policy? Did you argue here it should be at least given a chance? Don't hide behind the High Court, they only enact the law, at any stage Tony could have joined with Labor & amended the law to make it happen. Stop your disgusting crocodile tears, you don't give a flying *** about anyone.

Truth hurts eh arsehole.

Morrison should get a medal, not the sack. The only reason they're rioting is because Morrisons' policy is working and the detainees fear their efforts will have been in vain - and rightly so. I don't recall such incidents taking place under Labor, who invited the resumption of the people smuggling trade when Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution at a time when less than a dozen people were in detention.

ABC 7.30 Report seems to put a shadow of doubt over the scenario Morrison presented which clearly was  ~ nothing nasty happened inside his Compound and if anything nasty happened outside his Compound, "well bad luck, if you go out there, you are subject to PNG enforcement."

This bloke is feeding chooks, stupid chooks at that.

His Compound is in PNG sovereign land ...... subject to PNG Law which will apply inside and outside his smacking wires.

I can see what is coming.  Morrison will claim a break in  the chain of responsibility which would otherwise lead direct to his desk because there is a private firm contracted to keep all things lovely inside his Compound which sits in side PNG.  Seems that contractor has employed local PNG people who may have over-reacted to taunts from refugees, and there was some less than lovely reactionary violence inside his Compound, which led to refugees breaking out to escape that violence.  Of course, that immediately gave the locals licence to attack......outside.

All conjecture on my part.  But, it is logical.

This has to be the subject of an open Inquiry, just like the allegations of brutality at sea must be the subject of an open Inquiry.

No-one ought be afraid of the truth.....unless of course, they have a self interest which would be threatened by it.  Only those thereby threatened would seek to suppress truth.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:43pm:

Morrison should get a medal, not the sack. The only reason they're rioting is because Morrisons' policy is working and the detainees fear their efforts will have been in vain - and rightly so. I don't recall such incidents taking place under Labor, who invited the resumption of the people smuggling trade when Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution at a time when less than a dozen people were in detention.

He should get the rope.

Or at a minimum, the 'cat'.

John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:33pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:07pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:39pm: John S wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:55am: viewpoint wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:22am: Great job Scott, keep on doing what you're doing......... Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:41am: The lefts plan to turn Australia into a retirement village for middle eastern bludgers is in tatters thanks to Morrison, no wonder the smacking losers hate him  ;D ;D ;D To the both of you put yourself in asylum seeker shoes look at things through their eyes for a change. If you were living in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq and you know you or your family could get blown up at any time just for walking down the street, or your wife or daughters could get raped and you can’t report it as they would be blamed for the rape. Your daughters can’t go to school and get a education and your wife and daughters are treated as second class citizen. We take voting for our politicians in Australia as a right but in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq you could get shoot for going to vote. If any of that was happening to you wouldn’t you want to leave and find a safe country to bring your family to and bring them up in? Somewhere where everyone is treated equal somewhere where anyone breaking the law is punished by raping someone not the victim by reporting the rape. Now what would do would you stop where you were or would you flee to a safer country? However, fleeing to a safer country doesn't mean paying criminals to transport you 'under the radar', nor does it mean destroying ALL documentation before arriving so your identity and/or criminal record (or lack there of) can't be ascertained. It'd be cheaper to arrive by plane, with all identity documents in hand and THEN lodge an asylum claim, just like thousands of legit refugees do every year. if you had the money, why wouldn't you pay someone to take you somewhere where you're able to have a better quality of life? I Why pay $5000 or $10,000 for a boat ride, indefinite detention and no chance of settling in Australia, when you can pay around $400 per person on a plane and have almost guaranteed settlement? because you can only get onto a plane with a passport AND a visa, obtaining said passport usually requires applying to your government, in the case of asylum seekers many of them are RUNNING from their government ... they may as well send them an invitation saying come and shoot me at this address at this time, dress casual

How do they manage to fly to Indonesia then?

"Progressive" logic:

1 death of asylum seeker (which appears to be his own fault) = left goes bonkers.

1,000 deaths of asylum seekers at sea = left says "she'll be right, mate".

viewpoint wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 4:17pm: viewpoint wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:51pm: There are far more deserving cases, genuine asylum seekers who reside in camps in many countries waiting for their claim for asylum to be granted. They have applied through the correct channels, and endure camp conditions until their asylum claims are granted. They neither have the money to pay people smugglers nor do they want to enter a country illegally. These are the people this country would welcome, not boat load after boat load of cashed up queue jumpers who care nothing about Australian sovereign borders. They behave dishonourably and have acted illegally before they even touch land, Manus or otherwise. Which is why a key part of the Malaysia solution was taking these people you are so desperately sad for in whilst returning those who engage smugglers. Sure 800 was the start point but as sure as anything it would have been increased. Did you say that was a good policy? Did you argue here it should be at least given a chance? Don't hide behind the High Court, they only enact the law, at any stage Tony could have joined with Labor & amended the law to make it happen. Stop your disgusting crocodile tears, you don't give a flying *** about anyone. Truth hurts eh arsehole.

Thats something you rarely see here.

A bit of honesty, what your being honest about isn't something I'd be proud of, but hey its a free country.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:34pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:33pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:07pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:39pm: John S wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:55am: viewpoint wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:22am: Great job Scott, keep on doing what you're doing......... Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:41am: The lefts plan to turn Australia into a retirement village for middle eastern bludgers is in tatters thanks to Morrison, no wonder the smacking losers hate him  ;D ;D ;D To the both of you put yourself in asylum seeker shoes look at things through their eyes for a change. If you were living in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq and you know you or your family could get blown up at any time just for walking down the street, or your wife or daughters could get raped and you can’t report it as they would be blamed for the rape. Your daughters can’t go to school and get a education and your wife and daughters are treated as second class citizen. We take voting for our politicians in Australia as a right but in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq you could get shoot for going to vote. If any of that was happening to you wouldn’t you want to leave and find a safe country to bring your family to and bring them up in? Somewhere where everyone is treated equal somewhere where anyone breaking the law is punished by raping someone not the victim by reporting the rape. Now what would do would you stop where you were or would you flee to a safer country? However, fleeing to a safer country doesn't mean paying criminals to transport you 'under the radar', nor does it mean destroying ALL documentation before arriving so your identity and/or criminal record (or lack there of) can't be ascertained. It'd be cheaper to arrive by plane, with all identity documents in hand and THEN lodge an asylum claim, just like thousands of legit refugees do every year. if you had the money, why wouldn't you pay someone to take you somewhere where you're able to have a better quality of life? I Why pay $5000 or $10,000 for a boat ride, indefinite detention and no chance of settling in Australia, when you can pay around $400 per person on a plane and have almost guaranteed settlement? because you can only get onto a plane with a passport AND a visa, obtaining said passport usually requires applying to your government, in the case of asylum seekers many of them are RUNNING from their government ... they may as well send them an invitation saying come and shoot me at this address at this time, dress casual How do they manage to fly to Indonesia then?

Do they?

Hahahahaha Scrot Morriscum may not have any option BUT to resign!


Quote:

The breach could potentially see thousands of asylum seekers in Australia who were previously ineligible for refugee status have their claims validated, one legal expert says. Refugee lawyer David Manne said the law was “crystal clear that identification of a person seeking protection can result in them being granted protection on that basis itself”. . . . . Fairfax Media understands the data was only accessible online since the Abbott government was sworn in. http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/asylum-seeker-data-bungle-thousands-could-be-granted-refugee-status-20140219-330ai.html

Oops—country shoppers just bought themselves a country!  ;D

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:27pm:

Hahahahaha Scrot Morriscum may not have any option BUT to resign! Quote: The breach could potentially see thousands of asylum seekers in Australia who were previously ineligible for refugee status have their claims validated, one legal expert says. Refugee lawyer David Manne said the law was “crystal clear that identification of a person seeking protection can result in them being granted protection on that basis itself”. . . . . Fairfax Media understands the data was only accessible online since the Abbott government was sworn in. http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/asylum-seeker-data-bungle-thousands-could-be-granted-refugee-status-20140219-330ai.html Oops—country shoppers just bought themselves a country!  ;D

well, if they are being attacked by the PNG police, you cannot very well argue they aren't in fear for their lives

John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:21pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:20pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:34pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:33pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:07pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:39pm: John S wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:55am: viewpoint wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:22am: Great job Scott, keep on doing what you're doing......... Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:41am: The lefts plan to turn Australia into a retirement village for middle eastern bludgers is in tatters thanks to Morrison, no wonder the smacking losers hate him  ;D ;D ;D To the both of you put yourself in asylum seeker shoes look at things through their eyes for a change. If you were living in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq and you know you or your family could get blown up at any time just for walking down the street, or your wife or daughters could get raped and you can’t report it as they would be blamed for the rape. Your daughters can’t go to school and get a education and your wife and daughters are treated as second class citizen. We take voting for our politicians in Australia as a right but in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq you could get shoot for going to vote. If any of that was happening to you wouldn’t you want to leave and find a safe country to bring your family to and bring them up in? Somewhere where everyone is treated equal somewhere where anyone breaking the law is punished by raping someone not the victim by reporting the rape. Now what would do would you stop where you were or would you flee to a safer country? However, fleeing to a safer country doesn't mean paying criminals to transport you 'under the radar', nor does it mean destroying ALL documentation before arriving so your identity and/or criminal record (or lack there of) can't be ascertained. It'd be cheaper to arrive by plane, with all identity documents in hand and THEN lodge an asylum claim, just like thousands of legit refugees do every year. if you had the money, why wouldn't you pay someone to take you somewhere where you're able to have a better quality of life? I Why pay $5000 or $10,000 for a boat ride, indefinite detention and no chance of settling in Australia, when you can pay around $400 per person on a plane and have almost guaranteed settlement? because you can only get onto a plane with a passport AND a visa, obtaining said passport usually requires applying to your government, in the case of asylum seekers many of them are RUNNING from their government ... they may as well send them an invitation saying come and shoot me at this address at this time, dress casual How do they manage to fly to Indonesia then? Do they?

Do they swim?

Rider wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:56am:

Resign.....hahahahaha... his portfolio should be expanded to include - - communication - public service - climate change - education - health - etc etc

Indeed - he is the best thing since sliced bread!

The left arse'oles are certainly chaffing. How can they want the flood of the illegals again here, for the milk and honey?

One caller to 2GB who had worked with these bludgers observed, "You should see what they bring in their luggage!"

I presumed that this wasn't ragged  underpants.

olde.sault wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:18pm:

Rider wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 9:56am: Resign.....hahahahaha... his portfolio should be expanded to include - - communication - public service - climate change - education - health - etc etc Indeed - he is the best thing since sliced bread! The left arse'oles are certainly chaffing. How can they want the flood of the illegals again here, for the milk and honey? One caller to 2GB who had worked with these bludgers observed, "You should see what they bring in their luggage!" I presumed that this wasn't ragged  underpants.

Asylum seekers flee persecution, not poverty.

A multi-billionaire can legally seek asylum, and subsequently be granted genuine refugee status.

Why do you, and others, seem to think one must be poor in order to be an asylum seeker?  Who, exactly, is feeding you this misinformation?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 5:09am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 9:21pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:20pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:34pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:33pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:07pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:39pm: John S wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:55am: viewpoint wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:22am: Great job Scott, keep on doing what you're doing......... Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 10:41am: The lefts plan to turn Australia into a retirement village for middle eastern bludgers is in tatters thanks to Morrison, no wonder the smacking losers hate him  ;D ;D ;D To the both of you put yourself in asylum seeker shoes look at things through their eyes for a change. If you were living in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq and you know you or your family could get blown up at any time just for walking down the street, or your wife or daughters could get raped and you can’t report it as they would be blamed for the rape. Your daughters can’t go to school and get a education and your wife and daughters are treated as second class citizen. We take voting for our politicians in Australia as a right but in Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq you could get shoot for going to vote. If any of that was happening to you wouldn’t you want to leave and find a safe country to bring your family to and bring them up in? Somewhere where everyone is treated equal somewhere where anyone breaking the law is punished by raping someone not the victim by reporting the rape. Now what would do would you stop where you were or would you flee to a safer country? However, fleeing to a safer country doesn't mean paying criminals to transport you 'under the radar', nor does it mean destroying ALL documentation before arriving so your identity and/or criminal record (or lack there of) can't be ascertained. It'd be cheaper to arrive by plane, with all identity documents in hand and THEN lodge an asylum claim, just like thousands of legit refugees do every year. if you had the money, why wouldn't you pay someone to take you somewhere where you're able to have a better quality of life? I Why pay $5000 or $10,000 for a boat ride, indefinite detention and no chance of settling in Australia, when you can pay around $400 per person on a plane and have almost guaranteed settlement? because you can only get onto a plane with a passport AND a visa, obtaining said passport usually requires applying to your government, in the case of asylum seekers many of them are RUNNING from their government ... they may as well send them an invitation saying come and shoot me at this address at this time, dress casual How do they manage to fly to Indonesia then? Do they? Do they swim?

you're the one telling the story here ...  :D :D :D you mean you don't know??

olde.sault wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:18pm:

One caller to 2GB who had worked with these bludgers observed, "You should see what they bring in their luggage!"

they have luggage? do they check it in the  overhead compartment?

John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

olde.sault wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:18pm: One caller to 2GB who had worked with these bludgers observed, "You should see what they bring in their luggage!" they have luggage? do they check it in the  overhead compartment?

I'm sure they do.

"THERE are enough illegal immigrants living in Australia to fill a large regional city, and nearly all of these 58,400 people arrive by plane."

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6frea6u-1226200568050

If Scott Morrison resigns, he could start up a new business promoting PNG "CAGE" fights.
He could even tow eager customers there in Navy surplus lifeboats.

Roll up, "Righties", roll up, get to watch as queue jumping, country shopping, illegal, unlawful maritime incursionists, get the living (mostly) crap beat out of them.
Be the first party member to throw racist reactionary insults at the downtrodden and helpless.

(Sorry, too late to be the first, just about all current party people have been having fun demonising and denigrating refugees since Johnny Howard told us about refugee toddler training with Pacific Solution Swimming lessons, mid Pacific, but we won't go overboard talking that up again.)

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 3:29pm: Should he resign? Yes, but he won't. Should he be sacked, charged and jailed? Undoubtedly. Should you be the subject of experimental brain surgery in order to find out how someone so profoundly stupid can type ... absolutely  :)

They tried that on you, but they didn't get very far.

Your theme song must be "if they only had a brain".

olde.sault wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:18pm:

Rider wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 9:56am: Resign.....hahahahaha... his portfolio should be expanded to include - - communication - public service - climate change - education - health - etc etc Indeed - he is the best thing since sliced bread! The left arse'oles are certainly chaffing. How can they want the flood of the illegals again here, for the milk and honey? One caller to 2GB who had worked with these bludgers observed, "You should see what they bring in their luggage!" I presumed that this wasn't ragged  underpants.

I have an old railway sleeper or two down the backyard.

They have more of a clue than you do.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:36pm: olde.sault wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:18pm: One caller to 2GB who had worked with these bludgers observed, "You should see what they bring in their luggage!" they have luggage? do they check it in the  overhead compartment? I'm sure they do. "THERE are enough illegal immigrants living in Australia to fill a large regional city, and nearly all of these 58,400 people arrive by plane." http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6frea6u-1226200568050

A visa overstayer cannot claim asylum the migration act is very clear with this, of course the leftists are clueless about visa overstayers

A visa overstayer cannot claim-
Centrelink
Medicare
Dept of housing

83.5% of all boat people surveyed are still on centrelink benefits up to 5 years after arriving in Australia.
They also get medicare and dept of housing.

mozzaok wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:43pm:

If Scott Morrison resigns, he could start up a new business promoting PNG "CAGE" fights. He could even tow eager customers there in Navy surplus lifeboats. Roll up, "Righties", roll up, get to watch as queue jumping, country shopping, illegal, unlawful maritime incursionists, get the living (mostly) crap beat out of them. Be the first party member to throw racist reactionary insults at the downtrodden and helpless. (Sorry, too late to be the first, just about all current party people have been having fun demonising and denigrating refugees since Johnny Howard told us about refugee toddler training with Pacific Solution Swimming lessons, mid Pacific, but we won't go overboard talking that up again.)

well I would agree if you agree Bowen should be in charge of

LETS SEE HOW MANY DROWN TODAY.LAB WAY.


roll up LEFTIES the best shows are produced by LABOR>. LOOK AT PINKBATTS>.THAT WAS JUST FOR STARTERS........WAIT TILL YOU SEE CHILDREN GETTING BASHED ON ROCKS....WITH OTHER CHILDREN LOOKING ON...


ITS A SIGHT YOU WILL NEVER SEE ANYWHERE ELSE..

ONLY UNDER LABOR...



do you think we will ever forget that.. mozz...we know you guys have... it never gets a mention these days.. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:02am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:41pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:36pm: olde.sault wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:18pm: One caller to 2GB who had worked with these bludgers observed, "You should see what they bring in their luggage!" they have luggage? do they check it in the  overhead compartment? I'm sure they do. "THERE are enough illegal immigrants living in Australia to fill a large regional city, and nearly all of these 58,400 people arrive by plane." http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6frea6u-1226200568050 A visa overstayer cannot claim asylum the migration act is very clear with this, of course the leftists are clueless about visa overstayers A visa overstayer cannot claim- Centrelink Medicare Dept of housing 83.5% of all boat people surveyed are still on centrelink benefits up to 5 years after arriving in Australia. They also get medicare and dept of housing.

my daughter who has an investment property had 4 legal asylum seekers in their house for12 months...2 adults 2 teenage boys.. all rent and bond picked up by you know who...they were here after waiting 3 years at the Turkish border for permission to come..

now I do not know of course but if we do that for every family... ???????????????????????...


we do a huge amount and I am sick of those that claim we dont do enough..

No he certainly should not resign.

To resign would require some responsibility, integrity and just a wee bit of humanity. He has not successfully demonstrated any of these traits so, nope no resignation required.

Should he be voted out....? That would require the same traits being demonstrated by broader Australia...

Some here clearly fail the litmus test too.

cods wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

my daughter who has an investment property had 4 legal asylum seekers in their house for12 months...2 adults 2 teenage boys.. all rent and bond picked up by you know who.

so you are happy to have your family cash in on it whilst you whinge about it? you should have voiced your objections to your duaghter before she accepted that tax payer money

He is doing exactly what he promised before the election.
Then he was elected.
And he is now doing what he said he would.
Why resign? Just because he didn't beak his promises, like Gillard? Is that what is now expected by progs? Break your promises otherwise you should resign?

Have you all gone barking, staring mad?

Once Morrison sorts out the boats he should be promoted to Industrial Relations and sort out the unions. And if Pyne doesn't sort out Education by then, on to Education after IR.

cods wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 11:02am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:41pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:36pm: olde.sault wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:18pm: One caller to 2GB who had worked with these bludgers observed, "You should see what they bring in their luggage!" they have luggage? do they check it in the  overhead compartment? I'm sure they do. "THERE are enough illegal immigrants living in Australia to fill a large regional city, and nearly all of these 58,400 people arrive by plane." http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6frea6u-1226200568050 A visa overstayer cannot claim asylum the migration act is very clear with this, of course the leftists are clueless about visa overstayers A visa overstayer cannot claim- Centrelink Medicare Dept of housing 83.5% of all boat people surveyed are still on centrelink benefits up to 5 years after arriving in Australia. They also get medicare and dept of housing. my daughter who has an investment property had 4 legal asylum seekers in their house for12 months...2 adults 2 teenage boys.. all rent and bond picked up by you know who...they were here after waiting 3 years at the Turkish border for permission to come.. now I do not know of course but if we do that for every family... ???????????????????????... we do a huge amount and I am sick of those that claim we dont do enough..

We don't do enough?

Hmmm >:( >:( >:(

We take people trying to escape persecution, lock them up on a remote desert island, make them queue for hours for food and water and when the locals attack them we run away and leave them to the mercy of thugs.

Is that enough?

cods wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

my daughter who has an investment property had 4 legal asylum seekers in their house for12 months...2 adults 2 teenage boys.. all rent and bond picked up by you know who...they were here after waiting 3 years at the Turkish border for permission to come.. now I do not know of course but if we do that for every family... ???????????????????????... we do a huge amount and I am sick of those that claim we dont do enough..

I bet the Department of Housing pay your daughter rent for the house and i bet the legal asylum seekers paid rent to the Department of Housing and I bet half the bond was paid by the Asylum seekers. I bet they didn't live there rent free like you are trying to make out. The department does that a lot when someone rents privately.

Soren wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:34pm:

Once Morrison sorts out the boats he should be promoted to Industrial Relations and sort out the unions. And if Pyne doesn't sort out Education by then, on to Education after IR.

Very true.
He seems a very good operator.

To all you libturds that think Morrison is a good bloke go and read his maiden speech and see how much of a turncoat he is. He could lie straight in bed.

http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansardr%2F2008-02-14%2F0045%22

A bit of Morrison maiden speech


Quote:

From my faith I derive the values of loving-kindness, justice and righteousness, to act with compassion and kindness, acknowledging our common humanity and to consider the welfare of others; to fight for a fair go for everyone to fulfil their human potential and to remove whatever unjust obstacles stand in their way, including diminishing their personal responsibility for their own wellbeing; and to do what is right, to respect the rule of law, the sanctity of human life and the moral integrity of marriage and the family. We must recognise an unchanging and absolute standard of what is good and what is evil. Desmond Tutu put it this way: ... we expect Christians ... to be those who stand up for the truth, to stand up for justice, to stand on the side of the poor and the hungry, the homeless and the naked, and when that happens, then Christians will be trustworthy believable witnesses.

John S wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:47pm:

To all you libturds that think Morrison is a good bloke go and read his maiden speech and see how much of a turncoat he is. He could lie straight in bed. http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansardr%2F2008-02-14%2F0045%22 A bit of Morrison maiden speech Quote: From my faith I derive the values of loving-kindness, justice and righteousness, to act with compassion and kindness, acknowledging our common humanity and to consider the welfare of others; to fight for a fair go for everyone to fulfil their human potential and to remove whatever unjust obstacles stand in their way, including diminishing their personal responsibility for their own wellbeing; and to do what is right, to respect the rule of law, the sanctity of human life and the moral integrity of marriage and the family. We must recognise an unchanging and absolute standard of what is good and what is evil. Desmond Tutu put it this way: ... we expect Christians ... to be those who stand up for the truth, to stand up for justice, to stand on the side of the poor and the hungry, the homeless and the naked, and when that happens, then Christians will be trustworthy believable witnesses.

It clearly is troubling you leftards to see Morrison succeed so comprehensively in just five months where Labor failed so dismally over six long, disastrously incompetent years... :)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 5:05am:

John S wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:47pm: To all you libturds that think Morrison is a good bloke go and read his maiden speech and see how much of a turncoat he is. He could lie straight in bed. http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansardr%2F2008-02-14%2F0045%22 A bit of Morrison maiden speech Quote: From my faith I derive the values of loving-kindness, justice and righteousness, to act with compassion and kindness, acknowledging our common humanity and to consider the welfare of others; to fight for a fair go for everyone to fulfil their human potential and to remove whatever unjust obstacles stand in their way, including diminishing their personal responsibility for their own wellbeing; and to do what is right, to respect the rule of law, the sanctity of human life and the moral integrity of marriage and the family. We must recognise an unchanging and absolute standard of what is good and what is evil. Desmond Tutu put it this way: ... we expect Christians ... to be those who stand up for the truth, to stand up for justice, to stand on the side of the poor and the hungry, the homeless and the naked, and when that happens, then Christians will be trustworthy believable witnesses. It clearly is troubling you leftards to see Morrison succeed so comprehensively in just five months where Labor failed so dismally over six long, disastrously incompetent years... :)

None so blind as those who will not see.

Or a Libtard.

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 5:33am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 5:05am: John S wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:47pm: To all you libturds that think Morrison is a good bloke go and read his maiden speech and see how much of a turncoat he is. He could lie straight in bed. http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansardr%2F2008-02-14%2F0045%22 A bit of Morrison maiden speech Quote: From my faith I derive the values of loving-kindness, justice and righteousness, to act with compassion and kindness, acknowledging our common humanity and to consider the welfare of others; to fight for a fair go for everyone to fulfil their human potential and to remove whatever unjust obstacles stand in their way, including diminishing their personal responsibility for their own wellbeing; and to do what is right, to respect the rule of law, the sanctity of human life and the moral integrity of marriage and the family. We must recognise an unchanging and absolute standard of what is good and what is evil. Desmond Tutu put it this way: ... we expect Christians ... to be those who stand up for the truth, to stand up for justice, to stand on the side of the poor and the hungry, the homeless and the naked, and when that happens, then Christians will be trustworthy believable witnesses. It clearly is troubling you leftards to see Morrison succeed so comprehensively in just five months where Labor failed so dismally over six long, disastrously incompetent years... :) None so blind as those who will not see. Or a Libtard.

You need to see your optometrist ASAP. I'd also strongly recommend you see a psychologist who can prescribe medication for you...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 5:42am:

Kat wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 5:33am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 5:05am: John S wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:47pm: To all you libturds that think Morrison is a good bloke go and read his maiden speech and see how much of a turncoat he is. He could lie straight in bed. http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansardr%2F2008-02-14%2F0045%22 A bit of Morrison maiden speech Quote: From my faith I derive the values of loving-kindness, justice and righteousness, to act with compassion and kindness, acknowledging our common humanity and to consider the welfare of others; to fight for a fair go for everyone to fulfil their human potential and to remove whatever unjust obstacles stand in their way, including diminishing their personal responsibility for their own wellbeing; and to do what is right, to respect the rule of law, the sanctity of human life and the moral integrity of marriage and the family. We must recognise an unchanging and absolute standard of what is good and what is evil. Desmond Tutu put it this way: ... we expect Christians ... to be those who stand up for the truth, to stand up for justice, to stand on the side of the poor and the hungry, the homeless and the naked, and when that happens, then Christians will be trustworthy believable witnesses. It clearly is troubling you leftards to see Morrison succeed so comprehensively in just five months where Labor failed so dismally over six long, disastrously incompetent years... :) None so blind as those who will not see. Or a Libtard. You need to see your optometrist ASAP. I'd also strongly recommend you see a psychologist who can prescribe medication for you...

Psychologists can't prescribe medication.

Anyone else hear that "boat people" arrivals in Indonesia have dropped by 70%?

is this thread still going? Why?

it's clear that Morrison should resign and anyone who thinks otherwise should go to their nearest boxing ring and ask to be punched in the head a few times ...

if you're lucky, they may knock some sense into you.

Grendel wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 8:01am:

Anyone else hear that "boat people" arrivals in Indonesia have dropped by 70%?

bump

woody2014 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 8:27am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 8:01am: Anyone else hear that "boat people" arrivals in Indonesia have dropped by 70%? bump

shhhhh , operational secrecy  :D :D :D :D

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:57am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 5:42am: Kat wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 5:33am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 5:05am: John S wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:47pm: To all you libturds that think Morrison is a good bloke go and read his maiden speech and see how much of a turncoat he is. He could lie straight in bed. http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansardr%2F2008-02-14%2F0045%22 A bit of Morrison maiden speech Quote: From my faith I derive the values of loving-kindness, justice and righteousness, to act with compassion and kindness, acknowledging our common humanity and to consider the welfare of others; to fight for a fair go for everyone to fulfil their human potential and to remove whatever unjust obstacles stand in their way, including diminishing their personal responsibility for their own wellbeing; and to do what is right, to respect the rule of law, the sanctity of human life and the moral integrity of marriage and the family. We must recognise an unchanging and absolute standard of what is good and what is evil. Desmond Tutu put it this way: ... we expect Christians ... to be those who stand up for the truth, to stand up for justice, to stand on the side of the poor and the hungry, the homeless and the naked, and when that happens, then Christians will be trustworthy believable witnesses. It clearly is troubling you leftards to see Morrison succeed so comprehensively in just five months where Labor failed so dismally over six long, disastrously incompetent years... :) None so blind as those who will not see. Or a Libtard. You need to see your optometrist ASAP. I'd also strongly recommend you see a psychologist who can prescribe medication for you... Psychologists can't prescribe medication.

It is not illegal to seek medication from a psychologist.
Some people refer to such people as "medication seekers".
They are fleeing persecution at home and deserve to be processed and given medication.
If they arrive at the psychologists without proper documentation, this is fine. More people fly in to see a psychologist then arrive by boat anyway.
Sarah hansen young used to see a psychologist but unfortunately, she lay on the couch and broke it.

Grendel wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 8:01am:

Anyone else hear that "boat people" arrivals in Indonesia have dropped by 70%?

YES  Last nights news cant remember what chanel   ;)

You all need TO UNDERSTAND the difference between a psychologist and a psychiatrist. Chalk and Cheese!

A psychiatrist has a medical Degree with extra study in mental health. He/She is a Specialist Doctor.

A psychologist is someone who has done an Arts Degree and then a PhD in Psychology.

SPOT the DIFFERENCE?

;)

People with mental issues need to see a PSYCHIATRIST.

A PSYCHOLOGIST will talk to you about your marriage/relationship "problems".

;)

aquascoot wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 8:30am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 7:57am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 5:42am: Kat wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 5:33am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 5:05am: John S wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:47pm: To all you libturds that think Morrison is a good bloke go and read his maiden speech and see how much of a turncoat he is. He could lie straight in bed. http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansardr%2F2008-02-14%2F0045%22 A bit of Morrison maiden speech Quote: From my faith I derive the values of loving-kindness, justice and righteousness, to act with compassion and kindness, acknowledging our common humanity and to consider the welfare of others; to fight for a fair go for everyone to fulfil their human potential and to remove whatever unjust obstacles stand in their way, including diminishing their personal responsibility for their own wellbeing; and to do what is right, to respect the rule of law, the sanctity of human life and the moral integrity of marriage and the family. We must recognise an unchanging and absolute standard of what is good and what is evil. Desmond Tutu put it this way: ... we expect Christians ... to be those who stand up for the truth, to stand up for justice, to stand on the side of the poor and the hungry, the homeless and the naked, and when that happens, then Christians will be trustworthy believable witnesses. It clearly is troubling you leftards to see Morrison succeed so comprehensively in just five months where Labor failed so dismally over six long, disastrously incompetent years... :) None so blind as those who will not see. Or a Libtard. You need to see your optometrist ASAP. I'd also strongly recommend you see a psychologist who can prescribe medication for you... Psychologists can't prescribe medication. It is not illegal to seek medication from a psychologist. Some people refer to such people as "medication seekers". They are fleeing persecution at home and deserve to be processed and given medication. If they arrive at the psychologists without proper documentation, this is fine. More people fly in to see a psychologist then arrive by boat anyway. Sarah hansen young used to see a psychologist but unfortunately, she lay on the couch and broke it.

Psychologists can't prescribe medication.

You, of all people, should know that.

Should Morrison resign

Following the John Howard failure there will never be sufficient cause to ask any politician to resign however in Morrisons case he should have never been appointed in the first place.

Grendel wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 8:01am:

Anyone else hear that "boat people" arrivals in Indonesia have dropped by 70%?

Yes apparently most now come from Australia.

Neferti wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:47pm:

You all need TO UNDERSTAND the difference between a psychologist and a psychiatrist. Chalk and Cheese! A psychiatrist has a medical Degree with extra study in mental health. He/She is a Specialist Doctor. A psychologist is someone who has done an Arts Degree and then a PhD in Psychology. SPOT the DIFFERENCE? ;) People with mental issues need to see a PSYCHIATRIST. A PSYCHOLOGIST will talk to you about your marriage/relationship "problems". ;)

BUMP

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Should Morrison resign Following the John Howard failure there will never be sufficient cause to ask any politician to resign however in Morrisons case he should have never been appointed in the first place.

I heard his Press Conference this afternoon, and he seemed well off his normal game.  I reckon he is an effective Minister pushing the Party line.

But, his job is not going to get an easier now.

The 'murder' word  has been introduced into this discussion, and I can see how and why.

He is a Christian so has no morals.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 8:01am: Anyone else hear that "boat people" arrivals in Indonesia have dropped by 70%? Yes apparently most now come from Australia.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 8:01am: Anyone else hear that "boat people" arrivals in Indonesia have dropped by 70%? Yes apparently most now come from Australia.

Did a search on this and came up with zilch.
Any links, anyone???

;)