link

It's pathetic that there's just one country that has the decency to stop these barbaric practices.

Yes, but they still have some way to go in regulating the consumption of human stool.

It's a cultural practice, you see - and an important Danish export.

The old boy's been doing a raring trade for years. They say it tastes like cheese.

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"You get to the point where you post something that you believe is thoughtful and then some inadequate little twerp decides to make a totally irrelevant and personal attack on you."  A Wise Lady

I think you owe freediver a sincere 'Thank You' for keeping you on here. I would have had you out the door ages ago for persistent trolling.

Halal slaughter in Australia seems to be more about extorting as much money as possible from business - not that that contradicts Islamic principles in any way.

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

Halal slaughter in Australia seems to be more about extorting as much money as possible from business

Extorting?  If it wasn't profitable for producers to make halal goods then the majority wouldn't.  By not providing halal goods, you are cutting yourself out of a massive chunk of the global market, and THAT is why it is in their best interests to do so.


Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

It's pathetic that there's just one country that has the decency to stop these barbaric practices.

Herbert, do you also agree with  them banning kosher practices too as part of their new laws?

Stratos wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 1:41pm:

Herbert, do you also agree with  them banning kosher practices too as part of their new laws?

Absolutely.

I'm a big fan of the wonderful contribution Jews have made to all aspects of our Western civilisation ~ but some of those residual practices that still remain with them in the 21st century should be outlawed for the primitive nonsense that they are.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:05pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 1:41pm: Herbert, do you also agree with  them banning kosher practices too as part of their new laws? Absolutely. I'm a big fan of the wonderful contribution Jews have made to all aspects of our Western civilisation ~ but some of those residual practices that still remain with them in the 21st century should be outlawed for the primitive nonsense that they are.

What, hommersexuals and adulterers being stoned to death? Planting oats and wheat in separate fields? Cooking milk and meat on different stoves?

You must be insane.

Stratos wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 1:41pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 12:46pm: Halal slaughter in Australia seems to be more about extorting as much money as possible from business Extorting?  If it wasn't profitable for producers to make halal goods then the majority wouldn't.  By not providing halal goods, you are cutting yourself out of a massive chunk of the global market, and THAT is why it is in their best interests to do so. Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 11:40am: It's pathetic that there's just one country that has the decency to stop these barbaric practices. Herbert, do you also agree with  them banning kosher practices too as part of their new laws?

Herbert only pretends that he wants kosher meat also banned.

If the article didn't have the word Muslim or halal in it he wouldn't of posted the report.

wally1 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 4:27pm:

Herbert only pretends that he wants kosher meat also banned. If the article didn't have the word Muslim or halal in it he wouldn't of posted the report.

It's going to make Billy Jack very sad to hear you say this, friend.

Malmö across the bridge is practically a Muslim city. They will import halal and kosher meat from there.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

link It's pathetic that there's just one country that has the decency to stop these barbaric practices.

What's "barbaric" about it?

... wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:35pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 11:40am: link It's pathetic that there's just one country that has the decency to stop these barbaric practices. What's "barbaric" about it?

Hunter gatherers were barbaric killers of local, wild fauna.

We civilised human beings shoot a steel bolt into the brain of a confined beast, before we slit its throat.

Can't you see the difference ?

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'animal rights come before religion'

Pure comedy

Yadda wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:03pm:

... wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 5:35pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 11:40am: link It's pathetic that there's just one country that has the decency to stop these barbaric practices. What's "barbaric" about it? Hunter gatherers were barbaric killers of local, wild fauna. We civilised human beings shoot a steel bolt into the brain of a confined beast, before we slit its throat. Can't you see the difference ?

Personally, i believe that if we want to desire to eat meat, we should be prepared to willing to slaughter our own, and dress down the carcass.

Just a personal observation.



[ p.s.
and in the past i have done this, myself]

Yadda wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:03pm:

We civilised human beings shoot a steel bolt into the brain of a confined beast, before we slit its throat.

Yadda wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:13pm:

Personally, i believe that if we want to desire to eat meat, we should be prepared to willing to slaughter our own, and dress down the carcass.

Did you work in an abattoir in the past or something?

Stratos wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:03pm: We civilised human beings shoot a steel bolt into the brain of a confined beast, before we slit its throat. Yadda wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:13pm: Personally, i believe that if we want to desire to eat meat, we should be prepared to willing to slaughter our own, and dress down the carcass. Did you work in an abattoir in the past or something?

No.

So how did you kill your food?

Soren wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

Malmö across the bridge is practically a Muslim city. They will import halal and kosher meat from there.

Speaking of bridges ...

link

So I ask again herbert - what's barbaric about it?


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‘It is a procedure that is done under the guise of animal welfare, despite the fact that many scientific studies show that the animal suffers less when properly performed ritual slaughter than when it gets a blow to the head with a nail gun.’

Stratos wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

So how did you kill your food?

post #13

I trust that salad was slaughtered humanely, Y.

Whenever the old boy chokes a darkie, he always gasses them first.

You can tell. They come out a treat on the plate.

Such flavour.

... wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

So I ask again herbert - what's barbaric about it? Quote: ‘It is a procedure that is done under the guise of animal welfare, despite the fact that many scientific studies show that the animal suffers less when properly performed ritual slaughter than when it gets a blow to the head with a nail gun.’

Quote:

'The animals which are slaughtered have systems for detecting and feeling pain and, as a result of the cut and the blood loss, if not stunned, their welfare will be poor because of pain, fear and other adverse effects. The cuts which are used in order that rapid bleeding occurs involve substantial tissue damage in areas well supplied with pain receptors. The rapid decrease in blood pressure which follows the blood loss is readily detected by the conscious animal and elicits fear and panic. Poor welfare also results when conscious animals inhale blood because of bleeding into the trachea. Without stunning, the time between cutting through the major blood vessels and insensibility, as deduced from behavioural and brain response, is up to 20 seconds in sheep, up to 25 seconds in pigs, up to 2 minutes in cattle, up to 2.5 or more minutes in poultry, and sometimes 15 minutes or more in fish.'

link

Yadda wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:43pm: So how did you kill your food? post #13

You just said slaughter in that post.

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Extorting?  If it wasn't profitable for producers to make halal goods then the majority wouldn't.  By not providing halal goods, you are cutting yourself out of a massive chunk of the global market, and THAT is why it is in their best interests to do so.

It is still extorting money. No other religious group charges absurdly high amounts of money for the right to sell to that group. For other religions, certification is about religious requirements for the food, not making money. They charge just enough money so it is barely worth it to pay the money, in addition to all the requirements for Muslim-only jobs, and some businesses have decided that the price is simply too high. it is cynical anti-competitive behaviour and protectionism hidden under the guise of religion.

Participating in a market that does not have a level playing field is still better than not participating at all, but trying to whitewash it with crap about it "being in their interests" is just more BS Islamic spin.

Islam manages to blur the line between a pious man and a money grubbing whore. But that's OK, because you don't have to give money to a whore unless you want to.

Freediver, do you have anything at all to back any of that up?

There was a lengthy thread a month or two back on this board about the extortionist prices being charged to Australian abattoirs for halal certification, which is required to export to many Muslim countries - hence it is a form of protectionism, as well as Muslim-only jobs in Australian abattoirs. Some Australian businesses simply could not afford the price, which was so high that it obviously had nothing to do with the actual costs involved. It is probably off the radar of the free trade people, seeing as we donate piles of money to many of these countries anyway (Indonesia in particular), but it still seems a bit cynical that they use religion to extort money like that. Plus, there are large sums of money going who-knows where. Supposedly to Australian Islamic schools - the same schools that are currently under investigation for siphoning off government funds to overseas groups.

So I guess that's a no.

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:01pm:

Supposedly to Australian Islamic schools - the same schools that are currently under investigation for siphoning off government funds to overseas groups.

... to the tune of $9million at last count.

Stratos wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:05pm:

So I guess that's a no.

It’s a very big no.

FDs nos are starting to rival Y’s yesses.

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:

Quote: Extorting?  If it wasn't profitable for producers to make halal goods then the majority wouldn't.  By not providing halal goods, you are cutting yourself out of a massive chunk of the global market, and THAT is why it is in their best interests to do so. It is still extorting money. No other religious group charges absurdly high amounts of money for the right to sell to that group. For other religions, certification is about religious requirements for the food, not making money. They charge just enough money so it is barely worth it to pay the money, in addition to all the requirements for Muslim-only jobs, and some businesses have decided that the price is simply too high. it is cynical anti-competitive behaviour and protectionism hidden under the guise of religion. Participating in a market that does not have a level playing field is still better than not participating at all, but trying to whitewash it with crap about it "being in their interests" is just more BS Islamic spin. Islam manages to blur the line between a pious man and a money grubbing whore. But that's OK, because you don't have to give money to a whore unless you want to.

No other religious group is exposed because there not muslims.Only muslims need to be exposed.

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:23pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 8:05pm: So I guess that's a no. It’s a very big no. FDs nos are starting to rival Y’s yesses.

The hypocrisy of Muslims and their "let the market decide" justification:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1376746834/183#183

The Australian Muslim community defrauding the government by diverting funds that should have gone to educating their own children:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1386760635

The Australian Muslim community using the halal stickers to extort huge amounts of money from businesses:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1378852212/25#25

freediver wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

The hypocrisy of Muslims and their "let the market decide" justification: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1376746834/183#183

Not a source


freediver wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

The Australian Muslim community defrauding the government by diverting funds that should have gone to educating their own children: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1386760635

not related to halal


freediver wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

The Australian Muslim community using the halal stickers to extort huge amounts of money from businesses: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1378852212/25#25

Oh what's this at the bottom?


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The scandal has stopped most of Queensland's Halal meat exports to Indonesia, as angry abattoir operators boycott the more expensive Halal certifiers endorsed by the MUI.

interesting.  So when it wasn't financially viable they decided not to.  That isn't extortion Freediver, as sorely as you wish it was.

freediver wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

The Australian Muslim community using the halal stickers to extort huge amounts of money from businesses:

The MUI, which is who you are referring to,are not "the Australian muslim community" - its Indonesian.

wally1 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 4:27pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 1:41pm: freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 12:46pm: Halal slaughter in Australia seems to be more about extorting as much money as possible from business Extorting?  If it wasn't profitable for producers to make halal goods then the majority wouldn't.  By not providing halal goods, you are cutting yourself out of a massive chunk of the global market, and THAT is why it is in their best interests to do so. Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 11:40am: It's pathetic that there's just one country that has the decency to stop these barbaric practices. Herbert, do you also agree with  them banning kosher practices too as part of their new laws? Herbert only pretends that he wants kosher meat also banned. If the article didn't have the word Muslim or halal in it he wouldn't of posted the report.

Judaism IS the only one of the two that can demonstrate it is a religion, and thus kosher meats for religious purpose.

Islam does not qualify as a religion since it is a 7th century born ANTI-religion cult that follows Muhammad alone, through a specifically Judaism and Christianity scripture-contrary, pre-Muhammad history-devoid, archaeology-absent, reality-rejecting, geographically-impossible so-called "tradition", that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history, yet was all created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries AD without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 5th century AD.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388067196

Let alone that the halal meat industry is controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood and provides an income stream for financing international terrorism.
https://www.google.com/#q=%22halal%22+finance+terrorism+muslim+brotherhood

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:26pm:

Judaism IS the only one of the two that can demonstrate it is a religion, and thus kosher meats for religious purpose.

Find me one definition of the word "religion" that doesn't cover Islam.

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So when it wasn't financially viable they decided not to.  That isn't extortion Freediver, as sorely as you wish it was.

Sorry. How about "money grubbing whores"? Is that better?

freediver wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:50pm:

Sorry. How about "money grubbing whores"? Is that better?

The word capitalist comes to mind.  I'm not saying I agree with the practice, but no more so than any niche market that people try to make a profit from.

It goes against the principles of free market capitalism.


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I'm not saying I agree with the practice,

Of course not. You are merely offering endless excuses for it.

freediver wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:54pm:

It goes against the principles of free market capitalism.

How?


freediver wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:54pm:

Of course not. You are merely offering endless excuses for it.

I really don't care.  I also don't know why so many people, yourself included, seem to, seeing as increasingly feeble and tangentially related reasons are the best you can come up with.

freediver wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:54pm:

It goes against the principles of free market capitalism.

So far against market capitalism that non-Muslim food producers in regional Australia are doing whatever it takes to get their products certified for sale in the supermarkets of Indonesia and Malaysia.

Maybe they’re just doing it for Allah.

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How?

How do you think? The Indonesian government is charging private businesses huge sums of money just to participate in the market. Let me guess - because there is money changing hands you think it must be capitalism?


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I really don't care.

Do you always offer endless excuses for something you do not care about and do not understand?


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I also don't know why so many people, yourself included, seem to, seeing as increasingly feeble and tangentially related reasons are the best you can come up with.

How about when the money ends up in the hands of terrorists and people start dying?


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So far against market capitalism that non-Muslim food producers in regional Australia are doing whatever it takes to get their products certified for sale in Muslim countries.

Yes Karnal. It is completely at odds with the principles of free market capitalism. Do you also have trouble comprehending why?

Stratos wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 3:26pm: Judaism IS the only one of the two that can demonstrate it is a religion, and thus kosher meats for religious purpose. Find me one definition of the word "religion" that doesn't cover Islam.

Dictionary;
religion = =
1 the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.        a particular system of faith and worship.
2 a pursuit or interest followed with devotion.



Stratos,

If ISLAM is a bona fide religion, why do its adherents seem more concerned with what is happening in the temporal world, and what is happening in the temporal world, as it relates to their own personal interests ?  [e.g. war booty]

Moslems have made violent political activism [in the name of Allah], the predominant way in which moslems demonstrate the 'worship' of their deity;


IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg
Sydney CBD, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, demanding the right to exercise their 'religious freedom'.
Moslems, demanding the right to 'practise their religion' [and seeking to threaten local non-moslems, with their violent devotion and worship of the moslem deity - AS A RELIGIOUS DEVOTION].
Moslems, proclaiming their 'religious' right to murder persons [who are not moslems, and] who 'offend' moslems, by refusing to believe as they [moslems] believe - AS A RELIGIOUS DEVOTION.





Religion, is commonly understood [within Western culture] to be the personal worship of a personal God.

ISLAM is more akin to religious political fascism, imo,
....rather than the of traditional religious concept of personal devotion to a personal God.


IMO, ISLAM is definitely a philosophy which promotes violent 'religious' fascism.


Google;
similarity between islam and nazism

freediver wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:22pm:

Let me guess - because there is money changing hands you think it must be capitalism?

There is a specialised market that requires oversight from a particular group (and yes, this definitely does) and someone decided to make money out of it.  I see no difference to the fact you can effectively buy a heart smart logo.


freediver wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:22pm:

Do you always offer endless excuses for something you do not care about and do not understand?

Sometimes.  What do you think I don't understand out of curiosity? 


freediver wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:22pm:

How about when the money ends up in the hands of terrorists and people start dying?

Do you have evidence of this?

Yadda wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:27pm:

1 the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods

Describes Islam


Yadda wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:27pm:

a particular system of faith and worship.

Also describes Islam


Yadda wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:27pm:

2 a pursuit or interest followed with devotion.

And islam again.

Three points against yourself before you even begin Yadda.

Also Yadda, I believe I have shown you multiple times the numerous Australian leaders who condemned the actions of the protest you are talking about.  I can find them again if you like, but you are of course too busy trying to misrepresent Islam to care about the truth remotely.

But i will say this, if the best you can repeatedly come up with is a group of Australian Muslims denounced by their own leadership from two years ago, then you must be getting desperate.

I certainly do have trouble comprehending, FD. No one in Indonesia and Malaysia is forcing consumers to buy halal food. In my suburb, the local Thai resturant is even advertising halal - presumably to do more business.

How are Australian food producers and Thai resturants selling halal food to Muslim.customers anti-capitalist?

Yadda wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:27pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 3:39pm: Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 3:26pm: Judaism IS the only one of the two that can demonstrate it is a religion, and thus kosher meats for religious purpose. Find me one definition of the word "religion" that doesn't cover Islam. Dictionary; religion = = 1 the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.        a particular system of faith and worship. 2 a pursuit or interest followed with devotion.

More importantly, Islam is an anti-a-specific-religion violent cult. THE false prophet Muhammad filled his followers with complete resolve to DISbelieve the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, to REJECT the shed blood that Jesus shed for us all, and DENY and blaspheme the Son of God.
Islam is a cult that is to the Gospel, as the negative is to a photograph.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/index.htm

Thus their "worship" is in DISbelief, REJECTION and DENIAL. Islam is the opposite of belief. Islam is specifically ANTICHRIST. Besides being about what NOT to believe, Islam is about imperialistic conquest, slaughter and subjugation of non-Muslims.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1391788854

That's why followers of the false prophet Muhammad are murdering Christians all around the world.
Regardless of what Muhammad's followers have been fooled into believing they believe, since Islam is an imperialistic, violent, ANTI-religion, Islam is in actuality no more of a religion than the Mafia. Perhaps the main difference being that the Mafia prefers not to murder people because it can cause them difficulties, whereas many of Muhammad's followers are eager to conquer and/or slaughter non-Muslims, simply for believing differently than themselves.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm

But I suppose that's just the way it should be, since the kingdoms of this world have been Satan's legal possession ever since Adam's fall. That's why the children of the flesh lust after control of these kingdoms, and temporal things of this world as Yadda pointed out.

Islam is not just some other religion, like Hinduism.

Islam should be outlawed for hate inspired commands for violence against others.

Sahih Muslim B41, #6981 Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_and_jews.htm

It should be treated no differently by free nations, than any other imperialistic power out to conquer nations, and subjugate citizens. Islam should be treated as an enemy of freedom, liberty and the right to self determination that it has been for 1400 years:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

Stratos wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:34pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:27pm: 1 the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods Describes Islam Yadda wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:27pm: a particular system of faith and worship. Also describes Islam Yadda wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:27pm: 2 a pursuit or interest followed with devotion. And islam again. Three points against yourself before you even begin Yadda. Also Yadda, I believe I have shown you multiple times the numerous Australian leaders who condemned the actions of the protest you are talking about. I can find them again if you like, but you are of course too busy trying to misrepresent Islam to care about the truth remotely. But i will say this, if the best you can repeatedly come up with is a group of Australian Muslims denounced by their own leadership from two years ago, then you must be getting desperate.

Stratos,

We will have to agree to disagree.

Your claim, is that i am misrepresenting ISLAM [and moslems], in this forum.

And i claim that it is moslems who are misrepresenting ISLAM, to uninformed and trusting Australians.

Yadda wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:41pm:

Your claim, is that i am misrepresenting ISLAM [and moslems], in this forum. And i claim that it is moslems who are misrepresenting ISLAM, to uninformed and trusting Australians.

You keep using the same argument, despite the fact you know that it the actions you were describing were denounced by the Australian Muslim community.  There really isn't two ways about it, you are misrepresenting what actually happened.

Stratos wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:45pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:41pm: Your claim, is that i am misrepresenting ISLAM [and moslems], in this forum. And i claim that it is moslems who are misrepresenting ISLAM, to uninformed and trusting Australians. You keep using the same argument, despite the fact you know that it the actions you were describing were denounced by the Australian Muslim community. There really isn't two ways about it, you are misrepresenting what actually happened.

I know, NO SUCH THING.

All that i know, and all that everyone else knows, is that, 'after the fact', the Sydney moslem community claimed that they denounced the moslems - who were displaying those murderous placards.



But i'm sorry, because if a moslem told me that that bright thing in the sky was the sun, I WOULD SEEK A SECOND OPINION.



All moslems are 'holy' LIARS, imo.

Quote:

There is a specialised market that requires oversight from a particular group (and yes, this definitely does) and someone decided to make money out of it.  I see no difference to the fact you can effectively buy a heart smart logo.

No government demands a heart smart logo on all imported beef. Anyone could set up a halal certification organisation. The barriers to trade are erected by foreign governments only accepting certification by certain companies, then setting up regional monopolies for those companies. Even the Muslims were complaining about this.


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Sometimes.  What do you think I don't understand out of curiosity?

Free market capitalism. Or maybe you just don't know what a rort the whole halal sticker industry is.


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Do you have evidence of this?

Sure. They publish the money trail to terrorist organisations on their website.


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I certainly do have trouble comprehending, FD. No one in Indonesia and Malaysia is forcing consumers to buy halal food.

The government is, by restricting imports. By probably have similar restrictions on internal producers.

Both of you, please check the article I linked to on the previous page. It makes it pretty obvious what is going on. Foreign governments are creating trade barriers in order to effectively establishing communist micro-economies within our borders. The money disappears into a black hole.

freediver wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 12:27pm:

Sure. They publish the money trail to terrorist organisations on their website.

Enlighten me.

FD should be applauding this episode as a great example of how capitalism can work:

- MUI attempt to extract exorbitant fees from abattoirs to export to Indonesia
- Nearly all the abattoirs respond by boycotting MUI
- Queensland exporters are exploring other options - ie alternative markets that MUI won't benefit from
- MUI will either be out of business in Australia, or will be forced to offer more reasonable fees.

Textbook example of how capitalism is supposed to work.
- MUI shoots themselves in the foot by losing virtually all the Queensland market

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Nearly all the abattoirs respond by boycotting MUI

You sure about that?


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Textbook example of how capitalism is supposed to work.

Only if you have NFI how capitalism is supposed to work.

freediver wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:34pm:

You sure about that?

According to your article - yes:


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The scandal has stopped most of Queensland's Halal meat exports to Indonesia, as angry abattoir operators boycott the more expensive Halal certifiers endorsed by the MUI.

OK, so explain how this is a textbook example of how capitalism is supposed to work?

freediver wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:08pm:

OK, so explain how this is a textbook example of how capitalism is supposed to work?

Simply that Party A enters into a trade agreement with Party B, who gets too greedy and thinks the agreement gives them carte blanche to extort as much as they want from Party A. Party A simply walks away from the agreement since it is not a mutually profitable agreement, and in a competitive market, seeks out a more reasonable trading partner. Party B loses out because until they back down and offer more reasonable terms, they end up out of business.

The point being that, in accordance to classical free market theory, the market will create its own equilibrium - that there is no room for exploiters, and only mutually beneficial trade agreements will work.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

link It's pathetic that there's just one country that has the decency to stop these barbaric practices.

Someone told me all IGA is Halal: I said I thought it all was hence the price of meat and he said no, the muslims won't buy from coles and woolies only IGA. I said not all IGAs are the same and eventually he decided IGA was mostly halal, with coles and woolies too mixed for muslims to be sure of getting halal... not that it sounded they could be at IGA but apparently they were fairly comfortable with it  :o :o

So, who knows...  :D

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 5:01am:

coles and woolies too mixed for muslims to be sure of getting halal

lillydale chicken is halal which they sell at coles. There may be bits and pieces of steggles which woolies sells that is halal, but we just stick with lillydale. There are lots of pre-cooked packaged meat that both sell - eg those suncorp instant rice meals (both red and white meat).

I've never shopped at IGA for meat, there's more than enough at coles.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 5:01am:

So, who knows...  :D

I don't mind if witchdoctors from the various religions go around the abattoirs splashing 'Holy Water' onto everything they see, but it's quite a different matter when the general public is made the unwitting collaborator in the practice of not having the livestock stunned before the throats are cut.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 10:06pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 9:08pm: OK, so explain how this is a textbook example of how capitalism is supposed to work? Simply that Party A enters into a trade agreement with Party B, who gets too greedy and thinks the agreement gives them carte blanche to extort as much as they want from Party A. Party A simply walks away from the agreement since it is not a mutually profitable agreement, and in a competitive market, seeks out a more reasonable trading partner. Party B loses out because until they back down and offer more reasonable terms, they end up out of business. The point being that, in accordance to classical free market theory, the market will create its own equilibrium - that there is no room for exploiters, and only mutually beneficial trade agreements will work.

Wrong. Party A was in a trade agreement with party C. Party B was just extorting money from it.

It is not a "textbook example of how capitalism is supposed to work" when businesses are forced out of a market (the one market they are in) by government intervention - particularly when that government intervention is to create regional monopolies who do not actually do anything other than extort as much money as they can from the people who actually make things. Only someone who is completely ignorant of concepts like capitalism would make such a stupid claim.

Capitalism is not merely an equilibrium between people trying to get the job done and the government (a foreign one) trying to get in their way.

Perhaps you meant it is a textbook example of how a shariah economy is supposed to work, and you are doing to typical Muslim thing of trying to pretend there is not conflict between that and western standards.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:02am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:01am: coles and woolies too mixed for muslims to be sure of getting halal I've never shopped at IGA for meat, there's more than enough at coles.

How unAustralian of you, G.

I’m a vegetarian. We’re quite anticapitalist when it comes to meat..

I like meat - I grew up on it. The only reason I don’t eat it is I’d like to see the meat industry put.out of business.

Mind you, I’m quite partial to a piece of Danish stool.

freediver wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 12:27pm:

Sure. They publish the money trail to terrorist organisations on their website.

Hey, just wondering what you meant by this?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:02am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:01am: coles and woolies too mixed for muslims to be sure of getting halal lillydale chicken is halal which they sell at coles. There may be bits and pieces of steggles which woolies sells that is halal, but we just stick with lillydale. There are lots of pre-cooked packaged meat that both sell - eg those suncorp instant rice meals (both red and white meat). I've never shopped at IGA for meat, there's more than enough at coles.

Yeh, my friend seemed to think it was a mix a mix of non-halal and halal... you are saying it is but certain shops sell halal and you can trust that!

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:12am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:01am: So, who knows...  :D I don't mind if witchdoctors from the various religions go around the abattoirs splashing 'Holy Water' onto everything they see, but it's quite a different matter when the general public is made the unwitting collaborator in the practice of not having the livestock stunned before the throats are cut.

:o :o

The free-flow of information is a necessity to any semblance of the idea of a free-market so I require that all lib voters take such things as you say into consideration!

Stratos wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 5:57pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:27pm: Sure. They publish the money trail to terrorist organisations on their website. Hey, just wondering what you meant by this?

I meant that no, I do not have proof that the money ends up with terrorists. For all I know the money could end up in education funds (to be siphoned off by the AFIC).

freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 6:36pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:57pm: freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:27pm: Sure. They publish the money trail to terrorist organisations on their website. Hey, just wondering what you meant by this? I meant that no, I do not have proof that the money ends up with terrorists..

Thanks, FD. That’s all the proof we need right there. It’s now an established fact.

Pity we don’t have Abu around anymore. If he rebutted this assertion, it would be established beyond any reasonable doubt.

Quote:

Dinner lady sacked for serving Muslim children with non-halal meat at multi-faith school. Parents forced headmaster to apologise for 'insulting' their faith.     Birmingham school has both Muslim students and those of other faiths.     All 1,400 students at Moseley School are served Halal meat only.

link

In the fullness of time there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth ...

freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 9:06am:

It is not a "textbook example of how capitalism is supposed to work" when businesses are forced out of a market (the one market they are in) by government intervention

Actually its the MUI that is being forced out of business - or at least forced to compromise. The Queensland abbatoirs who are boycotting are demonstrating their bargaining power, and either the MUI will relent and offer more reasonable terms, or the Australian producers will find a better deal elsewhere. Or in other words, exploiters will be punished - exactly as per classic free market theory

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 10:06pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 9:08pm: OK, so explain how this is a textbook example of how capitalism is supposed to work? Simply that Party A enters into a trade agreement with Party B, who gets too greedy and thinks the agreement gives them carte blanche to extort as much as they want from Party A. Party A simply walks away from the agreement since it is not a mutually profitable agreement, and in a competitive market, seeks out a more reasonable trading partner. Party B loses out because until they back down and offer more reasonable terms, they end up out of business. The point being that, in accordance to classical free market theory, the market will create its own equilibrium - that there is no room for exploiters, and only mutually beneficial trade agreements will work.

- ECONOMIC EXCHANGE TAKES PLACE WHEN BOTH PARTIES SEE VALUE IN THAT EXCHANGE!

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:08pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 9:06am: It is not a "textbook example of how capitalism is supposed to work" when businesses are forced out of a market (the one market they are in) by government intervention Actually its the MUI that is being forced out of business - or at least forced to compromise. The Queensland abbatoirs who are boycotting are demonstrating their bargaining power, and either the MUI will relent and offer more reasonable terms, or the Australian producers will find a better deal elsewhere. Or in other words, exploiters will be punished - exactly as per classic free market theory

That is still not a free market, by a long shot. They are not negotiating with their customers. They are negotiating with the money grubbing whores who stand between them and their customers, demanding a cut. A free market works effectively when there are multiple players one each side competing on a level playing field. Forcing the abattoirs to act as a monopoly to counter the power of a government-imposed monopoly of extortionists is the opposite of how a free market should work. Islam may build an economy out of people stealing from each other. We don't. No amount of spin and platitudes is going to make this look any different.

freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:45pm:

Islam may build an economy out of people stealing from each other. We don't.

Are you looking for a defense from me? Sorry you won't get it. Its both immoral and dumb.

I read an article the other day that said trade was booming with Indonesia - both live export and frozen packaged. Not sure what happened, but presumably these QLD abattoirs are no longer boycotting the certifiers - presumably because the MUI caved.

freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 8:08pm: freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 9:06am: It is not a "textbook example of how capitalism is supposed to work" when businesses are forced out of a market (the one market they are in) by government intervention Actually its the MUI that is being forced out of business - or at least forced to compromise. The Queensland abbatoirs who are boycotting are demonstrating their bargaining power, and either the MUI will relent and offer more reasonable terms, or the Australian producers will find a better deal elsewhere. Or in other words, exploiters will be punished - exactly as per classic free market theory That is still not a free market, by a long shot. They are not negotiating with their customers. They are negotiating with the money grubbing whores who stand between them and their customers, demanding a cut. A free market works effectively when there are multiple players one each side competing on a level playing field. Forcing the abattoirs to act as a monopoly to counter the power of a government-imposed monopoly of extortionists is the opposite of how a free market should work. Islam may build an economy out of people stealing from each other. We don't. No amount of spin and platitudes is going to make this look any different.

I you are saying free-markets require no middle-men then well well well... guess what: no free markets exist anywhere!

  ;) ;)

Quote:

Are you looking for a defense from me?

I am looking for you to stop pretending that this is an example of how capitalism is supposed to work. That's just dumb.


Quote:

I read an article the other day that said trade was booming with Indonesia - both live export and frozen packaged. Not sure what happened, but presumably these QLD abattoirs are no longer boycotting the certifiers - presumably because the MUI caved.

And what is your point? That because they are extorting less money now it is an example of how capitalism is supposed to work?

freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 9:45pm:

I am looking for you to stop pretending that this is an example of how capitalism is supposed to work. That's just dumb.

If what I suspect has happened, happened - that MUI was forced by their consumers' bargaining power to cave in and agree to more reasonable terms, then it is a textbook example of how capitalism is supposed to work.

U.S. consumers sure ended Butterball's blunder - of thinking it would be a good idea to peddle turkeys that were sacrificed to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca - in a New York minute.
What were they thinking! (I think Pamela Geller can take a large part of the credit for outing that evil.)
Here's how their page looked for a month or two, before the comments started coming in:

Link to the cached page:
http://web.archive.org/web/20111108024158/http://www.butterballcorp.com/intl/
Last paragraph:
"As an international turkey provider, we have the expertise in serving different countries and different customs, and will work with you to meet any and all product needs. We have met the requirements for the following certifications: USDA Approved, Russian Approved, Halal Certified, and employ a Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points (HAACP) food safety system with Good Manufacturing processes. From great customer service to new product innovation to the proper certifications, Butterball has the experience you need to get our great tasting turkey in your market."

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

Halal slaughter in Australia seems to be more about extorting as much money as possible from business - not that that contradicts Islamic principles in any way.

Ah, just call it 'interest': lol, nice!! 

freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 6:36pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:57pm: freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:27pm: Sure. They publish the money trail to terrorist organisations on their website. Hey, just wondering what you meant by this? I meant that no, I do not have proof that the money ends up with terrorists. For all I know the money could end up in education funds (to be siphoned off by the AFIC).

Which is another way of saying that for all you know it could be used to feed starving orphans.

Stratos wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:20pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 6:36pm: Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:57pm: freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:27pm: Sure. They publish the money trail to terrorist organisations on their website. Hey, just wondering what you meant by this? I meant that no, I do not have proof that the money ends up with terrorists. For all I know the money could end up in education funds (to be siphoned off by the AFIC). Which is another way of saying that for all you know it could be used to feed starving orphans.

Well, that is convenient then, .....as 'starving orphans' is a euphemism which has been often used by moslem organisations, to describe Jihadist fighters/combatants [as recipients of moslem aid].

Stratos wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:20pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 6:36pm: Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:57pm: freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:27pm: Sure. They publish the money trail to terrorist organisations on their website. Hey, just wondering what you meant by this? I meant that no, I do not have proof that the money ends up with terrorists. For all I know the money could end up in education funds (to be siphoned off by the AFIC). Which is another way of saying that for all you know it could be used to feed starving orphans.

Sorry, Stavros, but I hardly think that will satisfy the stringent requirements for evidence. FD has very high standards, you know.

Yadda wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:31pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 11:20pm: freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 6:36pm: Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:57pm: freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:27pm: Sure. They publish the money trail to terrorist organisations on their website. Hey, just wondering what you meant by this? I meant that no, I do not have proof that the money ends up with terrorists. For all I know the money could end up in education funds (to be siphoned off by the AFIC). Which is another way of saying that for all you know it could be used to feed starving orphans. Well, that is convenient then, .....as 'starving orphans' is a euphemism which has been often used by moslem organisations, to describe Jihadist fighters/combatants [as recipients of moslem aid].

Much better. You see, Stavros? Proof.

Thanks, Y.

Karnal wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:33pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 11:31pm: Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 11:20pm: freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 6:36pm: Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:57pm: freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:27pm: Sure. They publish the money trail to terrorist organisations on their website. Hey, just wondering what you meant by this? I meant that no, I do not have proof that the money ends up with terrorists. For all I know the money could end up in education funds (to be siphoned off by the AFIC). Which is another way of saying that for all you know it could be used to feed starving orphans. Well, that is convenient then, .....as 'starving orphans' is a euphemism which has been often used by moslem organisations, to describe Jihadist fighters/combatants [as recipients of moslem aid]. Much better. You see, Stavros? Proof. Thanks, Y.

That's right, K.

I have impeccable sources.




Google;
muslim aid, terrorist financing


Google;
muslim aid, money for jihad


Google;
muslim 'humanitarian aid', to jihad

Yadda wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:31pm:

Well, that is convenient then, .....as 'starving orphans' is a euphemism which has been often used by moslem organisations, to describe Jihadist fighters/combatants [as recipients of moslem aid].

Is that right?  Any evidence?

Stratos wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:20pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 6:36pm: Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:57pm: freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:27pm: Sure. They publish the money trail to terrorist organisations on their website. Hey, just wondering what you meant by this? I meant that no, I do not have proof that the money ends up with terrorists. For all I know the money could end up in education funds (to be siphoned off by the AFIC). Which is another way of saying that for all you know it could be used to feed starving orphans.

Of course. Nothing would surprise me. They say it goes to Australian Muslim schools, and we all know what happens to money that is supposed to educate Muslim children.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 10:39pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 9:45pm: I am looking for you to stop pretending that this is an example of how capitalism is supposed to work. That's just dumb. If what I suspect has happened, happened - that MUI was forced by their consumers' bargaining power to cave in and agree to more reasonable terms, then it is a textbook example of how capitalism is supposed to work.

Not it isn't. Not even close. You merely show a complete lack of understanding of the principles of free market capitalism. It is not merely being able to negotiate with the parasites trying to destroy your business. It's like you got your definition of capitalism from a children's cartoon.

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 8:08am:

They say it goes to Australian Muslim schools

is that right?

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 8:08am:

Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 11:20pm: freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 6:36pm: Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:57pm: freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:27pm: Sure. They publish the money trail to terrorist organisations on their website. Hey, just wondering what you meant by this? I meant that no, I do not have proof that the money ends up with terrorists. For all I know the money could end up in education funds (to be siphoned off by the AFIC). Which is another way of saying that for all you know it could be used to feed starving orphans. Of course. Nothing would surprise me. They say it goes to Australian Muslim schools, and we all know what happens to money that is supposed to educate Muslim children.

Tell us what happens?

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 8:08am:

Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 11:20pm: freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 6:36pm: Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:57pm: freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:27pm: Sure. They publish the money trail to terrorist organisations on their website. Hey, just wondering what you meant by this? I meant that no, I do not have proof that the money ends up with terrorists. For all I know the money could end up in education funds (to be siphoned off by the AFIC). Which is another way of saying that for all you know it could be used to feed starving orphans. Of course. Nothing would surprise me. They say it goes to Australian Muslim schools, and we all know what happens to money that is supposed to educate Muslim children.

Exactly. Some of it might even go towards educating Muslim children, can you believe it?

wally1 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 8:35am:

freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 8:08am: Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 11:20pm: freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 6:36pm: Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:57pm: freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:27pm: Sure. They publish the money trail to terrorist organisations on their website. Hey, just wondering what you meant by this? I meant that no, I do not have proof that the money ends up with terrorists. For all I know the money could end up in education funds (to be siphoned off by the AFIC). Which is another way of saying that for all you know it could be used to feed starving orphans. Of course. Nothing would surprise me. They say it goes to Australian Muslim schools, and we all know what happens to money that is supposed to educate Muslim children. Tell us what happens?

wally1,

This is the WHOLE problem.

We, who are not moslems, are forced to make suppositions and guesses, as evidence emerges as to what moslems have been doing,
BECAUSE MOSLEMS WILL NOT TELL US HOW THEY CONDUCT THEMSELVES,
AND,
BECAUSE MOSLEMS WILL NOT BE TRUTHFUL WITH US.



All of the time, moslems [who live among non-moslems], behave deceitfully, because moslems themselves know, that what moslems are doing is nefarious in its nature.

Ah, the good old "no evidence therefore this is evidence".

Also known as an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy.

There seem to be a lot of these lately.

Stratos wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 10:34am:

Ah, the good old "no evidence therefore this is evidence". Also known as an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy. There seem to be a lot of these lately.

As per, post #88

Stratos wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 10:34am:

Ah, the good old "no evidence therefore this is evidence". Also known as an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy. There seem to be a lot of these lately.

Have a look at these links Stratos, its proof enough the Commonwealth Bank was found to be funnelling money to violent jihad from the collection plate collected in mosques in this country.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388324004/19

Yadda wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 10:25am:

wally1 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 8:35am: freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 8:08am: Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 11:20pm: freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 6:36pm: Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:57pm: freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:27pm: Sure. They publish the money trail to terrorist organisations on their website. Hey, just wondering what you meant by this? I meant that no, I do not have proof that the money ends up with terrorists. For all I know the money could end up in education funds (to be siphoned off by the AFIC). Which is another way of saying that for all you know it could be used to feed starving orphans. Of course. Nothing would surprise me. They say it goes to Australian Muslim schools, and we all know what happens to money that is supposed to educate Muslim children. Tell us what happens? wally1, This is the WHOLE problem. We, who are not moslems, are forced to make suppositions and guesses, as evidence emerges as to what moslems have been doing, BECAUSE MOSLEMS WILL NOT TELL US HOW THEY CONDUCT THEMSELVES, AND, BECAUSE MOSLEMS WILL NOT BE TRUTHFUL WITH US. All of the time, moslems [who live among non-moslems], behave deceitfully, because moslems themselves know, that what moslems are doing is nefarious in its nature.

FD said he knows what happens.YOur talking out of context.

I'd like to know what happens cause I don't know but he does.

Adamant wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:30am:

Stratos wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:34am: Ah, the good old "no evidence therefore this is evidence". Also known as an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy. There seem to be a lot of these lately. Have a look at these links Stratos, its proof enough the Commonwealth Bank was found to be funnelling money to violent jihad from the collection plate collected in mosques in this country. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388324004/19

So is it coming from halal certification money or not?

Stratos wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 9:41pm:

Adamant wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 11:30am: Stratos wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:34am: Ah, the good old "no evidence therefore this is evidence". Also known as an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy. There seem to be a lot of these lately. Have a look at these links Stratos, its proof enough the Commonwealth Bank was found to be funnelling money to violent jihad from the collection plate collected in mosques in this country. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388324004/19 So is it coming from halal certification money or not?

Stratos,

The point being, even if money [for Jihad 'operations'] was coming from halal certification, would the moslem community [truthfully, candidly] volunteer that information ?

Does anyone with pulse, seriously believe what moslems tell us any more ?







WHY, DO MOSLEMS LIE TO US ???


Taqiyya
“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”
google




Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

So that's a no again I guess.

Stratos wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 6:24am:

So that's a no again I guess.

We may have to Google that, Stavros.

Stratos wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 6:24am:

So that's a no again I guess.

There's a commonwealth bank in the mountains of Afghanistan.

Bin Ladin takes out 2k a day cause that's the daily limit.

;D ;D

Stratos wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 6:24am:

So that's a no again I guess.

No, its a resounding yes! Tell me tho why do you wish to appear as dumb as wally1 and Gandalf?

http://moneyjihad.wordpress.com/2011/01/06/muslim-brotherhood-nets-halal-tax-revenues/

wally1 is off to Syria next week to get a third eye enabling he to see god much earlier. He must have seen this clip for he is feverishly packing his ports whilst salivating profusely, drooling like a randy dog also springs to mind.

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/3985.htm

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Adamant wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 3:29pm:

No, its a resounding yes! Tell me tho why do you wish to appear as dumb as wally1 and Gandalf?

Wow.  Just wow, an actual report, with links to a news site that shows there is a demonstrated link between Halal food and the Muslim Brotherhood.  Gold Star.

Stratos wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Adamant wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 3:29pm: No, its a resounding yes! Tell me tho why do you wish to appear as dumb as wally1 and Gandalf? Wow.  Just wow, an actual report, with links to a news site that shows there is a demonstrated link between Halal food and the Muslim Brotherhood.  Gold Star.

Still refusing to join the dots.


Stratos,

You freely express scepticism about the information presented by critics of ISLAM/moslems, but,
you do appear to be 'one eyed', in refusing to view with scepticism [or to challenge] what moslems tell you/us [about ISLAM].....


e.g.

Quote:

A body representing British 'mainstream' moslems, The Muslim Council of Britain, declares on its website, that ISLAM is a philosophy which condemns extremism and violence.... [quote] Rejecting Terror Thursday, 11 April 2013 Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent. There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith. The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace. It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewstemplate&catid=82:mcb-news
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656





ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."





FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260




"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

[/quote]

wally1 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 8:35am:

freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 8:08am: Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 11:20pm: freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 6:36pm: Stratos wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:57pm: freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:27pm: Sure. They publish the money trail to terrorist organisations on their website. Hey, just wondering what you meant by this? I meant that no, I do not have proof that the money ends up with terrorists. For all I know the money could end up in education funds (to be siphoned off by the AFIC). Which is another way of saying that for all you know it could be used to feed starving orphans. Of course. Nothing would surprise me. They say it goes to Australian Muslim schools, and we all know what happens to money that is supposed to educate Muslim children. Tell us what happens?

The AFIC siphons it off.

Muslims are allowed to eat non halal food if the choice is not halal or nothing.

Is halal food a need or want?

Gandalf, this is what free market capitalism looks like:

http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/sticker-sml-298x300.gif

These stickers are being sold by one nation candidates. I think you can still buy them online. No government is forcing anyone to buy them (or giving businesses the "option" of paying tens of thousands of dollars for them or be barred from the market).

Can you see the difference yet?

freediver wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 10:11pm:

These stickers are being sold by one nation candidates.

Lol, One Nation and their calm impartial views on Muslims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_1SFf8t-ko

Yes, friends, One Nation stickers are another suitable form of evidence on the Islam board. FD has been Googling Halal food for days, and has finally come up with penultimate proof.

Great research, FD. Alternatively, you could have posted statistics on food in general, or something on Kosher or Satvic diets, or a photo of toddlers holding up a sign saying BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO INSULT THE PROPHET.

Still, a bumper sticker will do nicely - especially when it’s from a good source like One Nation.

Stratos wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 10:31pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 10:11pm: These stickers are being sold by one nation candidates. Lol, One Nation and their calm impartial views on Muslims. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_1SFf8t-ko

Nice one Stratos !



OK, Stephanie Banister, is a good, 'in your face', example of what is wrong with politics in the West.

Politics in the West - is often being 'driven' and 'informed', by the ignorant and by the uninformed [a failing of character, which also seems to infect much of our mainstream media today !].

And unfortunately, people like Stephanie Banister seek to present themselves as 'trend setters', when in fact they are trend and 'fashion' followers, who do not feel that they have enough time [or the intellectual capacity ?] to properly inform themselves, about important political/social issues ?

In short they are fakers and deceivers, imo.

What was it that i said - about what is wrong with politics in the West ?.......

Oh yes, in conclusion, with a good media directer/manager, i have little doubt that Stephanie Banister could pass for a good/typical Australian pollie.







Yadda wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 10:02am:

Western pollies, and moslems, have so much in common, imo.

freediver wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 10:11pm:

These stickers are being sold by one nation candidates. I think you can still buy them online. No government is forcing anyone to buy them (or giving businesses the "option" of paying tens of thousands of dollars for them or be barred from the market).

Actually, being "barred" from a market is not anti-capitalist - it is consistent with the free-market principle that a trader can trade with whomever they damn well please - with whatever conditions they please.

Yadda wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:35am:

Politics in the West - is often being 'driven' and 'informed', by the ignorant and by the uninformed [a failing of character, which also seems to infect much of our mainstream media today !]. And unfortunately, people like Stephanie Banister seek to present themselves as 'trend setters',

Ah.

To recap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gYq2DQG1zI

you seriously expect me to waste 5 minutes of my life listening to that git?

I'll give you the 2 second summary: halal sux because islam sux.

I bet that idiot from One Nation has a better grasp of market capitalism than Gandalf. How is it possible for someone to live in Australia and not have the faintest idea what capitalism means?


polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:31am:

freediver wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 10:11pm: These stickers are being sold by one nation candidates. I think you can still buy them online. No government is forcing anyone to buy them (or giving businesses the "option" of paying tens of thousands of dollars for them or be barred from the market). Actually, being "barred" from a market is not anti-capitalist - it is consistent with the free-market principle that a trader can trade with whomever they damn well please - with whatever conditions they please.

Again you demonstrate a complete inability to grasp the most basic principles of free market capitalism. The "traders" cannot trade with whomever they damn well please, under whatever conditions they please, because foreign governments prevent it, and set up regional monopolies within Australia to extort as much money as possible from those attempting to trade. Even Muslims are complaining about this, because they cannot offer lower prices for the same certification services. It has to be a monopoly, and it has to charge prices so high it is on the verge of forcing people out of the market.

FD's certainly got a bee in his bonnet about this one.


freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 1:06pm:

The "traders" cannot trade with whomever they damn well please, under whatever conditions they please, because foreign governments prevent it

No, because in this case "foreign governments" (if the MUI can even be considered government - which I'm not even sure about) is simply just another trader. Its so much simpler than you're making it out to be - you can even forget about the the meat product, since all we're talking about here is the selling and buying of halal certificates - which consists of:

1. Indonesian MUI selling halal certificates
2. Australian abattoir's buying halal certificates

Thats all this is about, and its completely irrelevant if one of the traders is partly or wholly a "foreign government".

And yes, the MUI can sell their product (the certificates) on whatever terms it damn well pleases. If its an unreasonable price, the buyer can simply choose not to buy it (which they did) - and the MUI is the loser. The buyers will simply turn to another seller of halal certificate (obviously MUI controlled suppliers are not the only ones - Australia sells frozen meat to many other muslim countries besides Indonesia), or, if the MUI wants to get back into the Australian halal-certificate-selling market, they will have to offer a more competitive price. Thats how capitalism works FD.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:44am:

you seriously expect me to waste 5 minutes of my life listening to that git? I'll give you the 2 second summary: halal sux because islam sux.

Islam does suck. And you will dodge the reasons why it sux because facing them would mean the collapse of Islam.


As a political ideology, Islam is completely fvkd and should be actively resisted by every honest and right thinking person.

In political terms it is the worst kind of bloody and backward tyranny imaginable.

Islam has never made the separation between politics and spirituality - and it will never do it because it has painted itself into a corner about it. And so it is a religion under the guise of political ideology of the most  activist kind - or a fervent if not virulent political ideology disguised as a religion.

As politics and spirituality have never been separated in Islam and never will be, you cannot dodge this essential and defining characteristic of your religio-political creed.

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freediver wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 7:34pm: It is astonishing that someone could get this so obviously wrong and be so unaware of how clueless they are: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 3:15pm: No, because in this case "foreign governments" (if the MUI can even be considered government - which I'm not even sure about) is simply just another trader. No they aren't. They are a barrier to trade. If you consider the government to be a trader in this context you are a socialist. At the very least, you are about as from from the principles of free market capitalism as you can get. polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 3:15pm: Its so much simpler than you're making it out to be - you can even forget about the the meat product, since all we're talking about here is the selling and buying of halal certificates - which consists of: Certificates are not the product of interest. They are part of the barrier to trade. polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 3:15pm: Thats all this is about, and its completely irrelevant if one of the traders is partly or wholly a "foreign government". No it isn't, because the whole point of free market capitalism is that the government does not dictate who is allowed to participate in the market by issueing certificates and saying who is allowed to sell them and for how much. Again, you have no concept at all of what free market capitalism is. You see goods and money changing hands without people being shot and assume that means it is capititalism. It isn't. You have no clue. polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 3:15pm: And yes, the MUI can sell their product (the certificates) on whatever terms it damn well pleases. If its an unreasonable price, the buyer can simply choose not to buy it (which they did) - and the MUI is the loser. The buyer is also the loser. The potential customers are also losers. Everyone loses. polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 3:15pm: Thats how capitalism works FD. It is the opposite of capitalism.

FD's Spam thread removed as per FD's own advise to "start discussions and get people thinking, not to spam the board with your own agenda." Also deleted two follow-up mock threads.

Meanwhile...


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Certificates are not the product of interest. They are part of the barrier to trade.

Certificates are the only product of interest in this case, and until you understand that the trading in certificates is the only relevant point here, you will continue to be confused and continue with this bizarre game of histrionics.

- QLD abattoirs want to buy halal certificates - for what purpose is completely irrelevant
- MUI sells said abattoirs the certificates it wants.
- MUI gets greedy and charges exorbitant fees for these certificates
- abattoirs respond by boycotting MUI and starts looking for better deal

Its really that simple. Confusing the issue with irrelevant details like monopolies and foreign governments is nothing but red herrings to the central point I was making.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:44am:

you seriously expect me to waste 5 minutes of my life listening to that git? I'll give you the 2 second summary: halal sux because islam sux.

This is as good a summary of the relationship between Islam and the West: we do not have any shared ground.

The very basics of our positions are mutually exclusive; it is not possible to stand on Western princples and concede that Islam has any valid arguments. Equally, the Islamic mindset is so completely alien and hostile to Western principles that there is no possibility for a conviction Muslim to concede any Western principle as being shared and which therefore could be the start of some working-out of anything shared and mutually recognised.
Islam's defenders will make tactical concessions to the various freedoms the West stands for only for the strategic purpose of eventually abolishing them. The Egyptian example, and soon the Afghan one, shows how1 democracy is used to introduce the end of democracy and the beginning of sharia.
Western Muslims operate in the same manner - tactical evocation of their freedoms to agitate for sharia which is designed to end everyone's freedoms.

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 1:42pm:

The Egyptian example, and soon the Afghan one, shows how1 democracy is used to introduce the end of democracy and the beginning of sharia.

Not sure what you're on about there - Egyptian democracy was dismantled by what we would term the "anti-islamists" - the facebook trendoids in Tahrir square demanding the overthrow of the islamists, and the despotic military gladly obliging. And in Afghanistan, I don't recall the taliban ever cynically embracing democracy to end it - they have been ruthlessly open about their desire to smash it to pieces.


Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 1:42pm:

Western Muslims operate in the same manner - tactical evocation of their freedoms to agitate for sharia which is designed to end everyone's freedoms.

There is a significant body of muslims who are anti-sharia. Look at the surveys of French muslims (for example) - that would be what FD would describe as "finding out what muslims actually think"

Finding out what Muslims actually think?

Oh, G, you are a one...

Karnal wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 6:25pm:

Finding out what Muslims actually think? Oh, G, you are a one...

Radical concept I know. FD used to think it was overrated, and for years he stuck doggedly to the idea that the only muslim opinions we needed to know about were Abu and Falah's. That is until he stumbled across a survey that had a majority of Malaysian muslims supporting death for apostasy. Then suddenly he was all "oh isn't this 'finding out what muslims actually think' thing wonderful!" Of course muslim opinions supporting liberal/secular things will be discarded, and we will be promptly told to defer back to Abu and Falah.

So what does the survey say Gandalf?

The survey says that 60% of muslims believe FD is hopelessly flailing desperately trying to hit something - anything. And 40% believe FD is just completely incoherent.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 9:00pm:

The survey says that 60% of muslims believe FD is hopelessly flailing desperately trying to hit something - anything. And 40% believe FD is just completely incoherent.

Typical. That’s the influence of their sinister pagan moon god.

If the prophet said it, it must be true.

Who is the Kuffir? You, Moslem, you are the Kuffir!

Karnal wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 9:31pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 1st, 2014 at 9:00pm: The survey says that 60% of muslims believe FD is hopelessly flailing desperately trying to hit something - anything. And 40% believe FD is just completely incoherent. Typical. That’s the influence of their sinister pagan moon god. If the prophet said it, it must be true. Who is the Kuffir? You, Moslem, you are the Kuffir!

Kuffar is perhaps a fair estimation in gand's case, since of Mecca he declared:

"That is the legend, but I don't see why it must be at the site of Mecca."
"Why does it matter the exact geographical location?"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388067196/20#20

Which would be nuts for a Muslim to declare since that's the location of the well of zamzam, the Kaaba and the Quraish pagan's black stone idol. Let alone that the fifth pillar of Islam obligates Muhammad's followers to travel to Mecca, march around the kaaba the way the Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worshipers did, and kiss the Quraish pagan's black stone idol or at least point to it on each trip around.

Denmark ~ on its way to extinction in a few decades from now. It's not an 'endangered' species ~ it's a soon-to-be fait accompli.


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A spokesman for the Danish Conservative Party, Tom Behnke, says he fears there are people who want to convert Denmark into a Muslim country. In an interview with DR News, Behnke said: "I think it is deeply alarming that our integration efforts are so ineffective that the moment there is a Muslim majority, we do away with good-old Danish traditions and introduce Muslim traditions instead. We are living in Denmark, and people have to adapt to the situation that applies here."

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The Christmas tree controversy took an ominous new twist on November 12, when a van carrying two journalists from TV2 News was attacked by 25 masked hoodlums. The journalists had gone to the Egedalsvænget housing complex to film a report about the story, but immediately upon their arrival their van was bombarded with bricks and cobblestones. The attackers destroyed the van and chased the hapless journalists out of the area.

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According to TV2, the perpetrators were Muslim youths who were seeking to silence media coverage of the Christmas tree dispute.

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Local police have sided with the Muslim attackers by blaming the journalists for sending a television truck into the area in the first place.

(Yes ~ you read that right. Not a misprint. They have their Useful Idiots over there too).


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Houtved is referring to the growing number of no-go zones in suburbs of Copenhagen and other Danish cities that are increasingly becoming autonomous enclaves ruled by Muslim youth gangs. They are areas where Danish police fear to tread. (See news video here about how the Danish government is bribing native Danes to get them to live in immigrant neighborhoods.) In March, for example, more than 140 Muslim gang members raided a courthouse where two fellow Muslims were being tried for attempted murder. The Muslims -- all members of criminal street gangs that have taken over large parts of Danish towns and cities -- were wearing masks and bullet-proof vests and throwing rocks and bottles as they tried to force their way into the district courthouse in Glostrup, a heavily Islamized suburb of Copenhagen, on March 6.

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Immigrant gangs are believed to be responsible for at least 50 shootings in and around Copenhagen during 2012. The immigrant gangs are involved in countless criminal activities, including drug trafficking, illegal weapons smuggling, extortion, human trafficking, robbery, prostitution, automobile theft, racketeering and murder. Many of the gang members are ethnic Arabs, Bosnians, Turks and Somalians. They also include Iraqis, Moroccans, Palestinians and Pakistanis. (One word would have sufficed: Muslims). Over the past several years, the immigrant gangs have proliferated geographically across all of Denmark. The gangs have spread south from Copenhagen to the rest of Zealand, from inner Nørrebro, to the suburbs Ishøj, Greve, and on to Køge. The gangs are also active in Albertslund, Herlev, Hillerød, Høje Gladsaxe, Hundige, Roskilde and Skovlunde, among many Danish localities. Danish authorities estimate that each year more than 700 immigrants between the ages of 18 and 25 are choosing crime as a permanent career by joining gangs such as Black Cobra, the Black Scorpions, the Bandidos, the Bloodz, the International Club, or any other of the more than 100 gangs that are now operating in Denmark.

link

And then some of you leftwing surrender-monkeys wonder why some of us keep on banging away at this subject. I'm fed up with it myself. It bores the sh!t out of me ~ but unlike you luvvies, some of us don't want to fiddle while Rome burns.

Denmark has always been a cute little boutique country with the proud reputation of having saved more Jews from the gestapo than any other country ... and NOW they are settled by a plague of vermin whose hatred for the Jews in no less than that which flourished under Hitler.

Why are our troops in Afghanistan when they should be on the streets in Denmark helping the locals to round up these Middle Eastern vermin for deportation back to their countries of origin?

Why do we hear nothing at all on our news services, or on our Current Affairs programs, or 4 Corners, Foreign Correspondent, 60 Minutes ~ etc? Not a word ... it might upset our Muslim community.

With something as apocalyptic as this, I couldn't give a sh!t if it 'upsets' our Muslim community ~ and nor should our politicians.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 9:00pm:

The survey says that 60% of muslims believe FD is hopelessly flailing desperately trying to hit something - anything. And 40% believe FD is just completely incoherent.

Careful gandalf !!!

Exposure to Karnal can cause mental atrophy, and without a doubt you are beginning to exhibit 'Karnal disease' !       :P

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 9:51am:

And then some of you leftwing surrender-monkeys wonder why some of us keep on banging away at this subject. I'm fed up with it myself. It bores the sh!t out of me ~ but unlike you luvvies, some of us don't want to fiddle while Rome burns. Denmark has always been a cute little boutique country with the proud reputation of having saved more Jews from the gestapo than any other country ... and NOW they are settled by a plague of vermin whose hatred for the Jews in no less than that which flourished under Hitler. Why are our troops in Afghanistan when they should be on the streets in Denmark helping the locals to round up these Middle Eastern vermin for deportation back to their countries of origin? Why do we hear nothing at all on our news services, or on our Current Affairs programs, or 4 Corners, Foreign Correspondent, 60 Minutes ~ etc? Not a word ... it might upset our Muslim community. With something as apocalyptic as this, I couldn't give a sh!t if it 'upsets' our Muslim community ~ and nor should our politicians.

Herb,

If you love truth, you cannot be very far from God.       ;)

Nobody who loves truth, is very far from God, imo.

Yadda wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 12:59pm:

If you love truth, you cannot be very far from God.       Nobody who loves truth, is very far from God, imo.

Is this the truth that convinces you refugees are trying to take over Australia with zero evidence, or the truth that you believe genocide is good?

Yadda wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 12:59pm:

Herb, If you love truth, you cannot be very far from God.       ;) Nobody who loves truth, is very far from God, imo.

Thanks, Yadda ~ winks to you too.

I am a confessed atheist, but I'm always prepared to receive the benefits of your prayers.   8-)

If you can beseech the Lord to help me win the next lottery ~ I promise I'll start reading the Bible and making plans to be dunked in the River Jordan.  :)

Meanwhile ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-5E6_qtXAw

If there is a Christian God, I know I'm in huge trouble with Her. When I get to the Pearly Gates I'm going to be wearing a burqa to try to sneak inside without being recognised by Saint Peter.

Stratos wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 1:06pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 12:59pm: If you love truth, you cannot be very far from God.       Nobody who loves truth, is very far from God, imo. Is this the truth that convinces you refugees are trying to take over Australia with zero evidence,

Read the news from Denmark, lately?

Appalling. Absolutely appalling.

link

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Read the news from Denmark, lately?

Changed any good subjects lately herbert?

Herbert at it again posting fake articles.

But I enjoy Herbert here, he is good for a laugh and is the ozpolitics clown.

“There is no ban on Islamic slaughter in Denmark,” the Danish Embassy in Riyadh was quoted by the Arab News on Monday, February 24.

“Animal sacrifice according to Islamic principles is still legal in Denmark.”

“Unfortunately, the Danish government executive order has been portrayed and misinterpreted by the media, as if it was directed against the halal form of slaughter,” said Fikre El-Gourfti, deputy chief of the Danish mission.

He claimed that the current procedure of stunning an animal before slaughtering it “is in accordance with the resolution of the Islamic Fiqh Council of the Makkah-based Muslim World League (MWL).

“It is important for the Danish government that Muslims can buy halal meat in Denmark,” he added

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Stratos wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 1:06pm: Yadda wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 12:59pm: If you love truth, you cannot be very far from God.       Nobody who loves truth, is very far from God, imo. Is this the truth that convinces you refugees are trying to take over Australia with zero evidence, Read the news from Denmark, lately? Appalling. Absolutely appalling. link

Like your fake halal meat story?

Stratos wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 1:45pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 1:43pm: Read the news from Denmark, lately? Changed any good subjects lately herbert?

It's a tough one for you guys to spin-doctor, isn't it? You'd prefer to whistle as you walk past this Danish cemetery-in-the-making. 

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 1:55pm:

Stratos wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 1:45pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 1:43pm: Read the news from Denmark, lately? Changed any good subjects lately herbert? It's a tough one for you guys to spin-doctor, isn't it? You'd prefer to whistle as you walk past this Danish cemetery-in-the-making.

Do they do a good cheese?

Some of the old boy’s tastiest gastronomic delights have involved stiffs.

Miam miam.

Your embarrassment is noted.

Sometimes it helps to save face better if you say nothing at all.

Meanwhile, it's Denmark's End Days at the hands of the Saracens.


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Islam critic and former imam Ahmed Akkari was escorted home by the police after a meeting in Gellerup Parken housing estate in Aarhus last night.     Martin Kjær Jensen, a reporter for the tabloid BT, arrived with Akkari and said people began throwing rocks at them upon their arrival.     “Someone threw rocks at the taxi Akkari was in,” he said. “I was in the car with him and we had to run a red light to get away.”     15 people arrested     Although Akkari was surrounded by 40 police officers who also established stop-and-search zones, it didn’t keep some young people from harassing him and lighting maroons.     Today police released the 15 people they arrested during the course of the evening. They also reported that they confiscated 209 maroons they suspect were to be set off during the meeting.     Akkari has come under criticism from within the Muslim community for announcing in July that he regretted travelling through the Middle East in 2005 in order to encourage groups there to call on Denmark to officially apologise for Jyllands-Posten newspaper”s printing of the Mohammed cartoons earlier that year.     Two months ago a group of Islamists also posted a video featuring five Syrian rebels shooting a photo of Akkari and five other Danish Islam critics….

There is nothing to be embarrased about - nothing at all. We take in all types here. If these cheese-snorters wish to engage in a little necrophilic enjoyment, who are we to stand in the way?

It takes all types to make our wonderful country what it is. We even welcome miserable whinging Poms on life-support.

Just don’t let the old boy too close, Herbie. What with the smell and the moaning and everything, he might confuse you for an overripe stool cheese.

Bon Apetite!

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 9:00pm:

The survey says that 60% of muslims believe FD is hopelessly flailing desperately trying to hit something - anything. And 40% believe FD is just completely incoherent.

Really??  These guys obviouly didn't read your memo:

Islamic fundamentalism is widely spread
WZB study shows significantly high numbers amongst Europe’s Muslims
Religious fundamentalism is not a marginal phenomenon in Western Europe. This conclusion is drawn in a study published by Ruud Koopmans from the WZB Berlin Social Science Center. The author analyzed data from a representative survey among immigrants and natives in six European countries. Two thirds of the Muslims interviewed say that religious rules are more important to them than the laws of the country in which they live. Three quarters of the respondents hold the opinion that there is only one legitimate interpretation of the Koran.
http://www.wzb.eu/en/press-release/islamic-fundamentalism-is-widely-spread
has links to details like this:
http://www.wzb.eu/sites/default/files/u8/ruud_koopmans_religious_fundamentalism_and_out-group_hostility_among_muslims_and_christian.pdf
The French muslim are more fundamentalist than most others.

Don’t let him get a whiff of your gangrene, Herbie. He won’t be able to stop himself.

Soren wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 9:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 1st, 2014 at 9:00pm: The survey says that 60% of muslims believe FD is hopelessly flailing desperately trying to hit something - anything. And 40% believe FD is just completely incoherent. Really??  These guys obviouly didn't read your memo: Islamic fundamentalism is widely spread WZB study shows significantly high numbers amongst Europe’s Muslims Religious fundamentalism is not a marginal phenomenon in Western Europe. This conclusion is drawn in a study published by Ruud Koopmans from the WZB Berlin Social Science Center. The author analyzed data from a representative survey among immigrants and natives in six European countries. Two thirds of the Muslims interviewed say that religious rules are more important to them than the laws of the country in which they live. Three quarters of the respondents hold the opinion that there is only one legitimate interpretation of the Koran. http://www.wzb.eu/en/press-release/islamic-fundamentalism-is-widely-spread has links to details like this: http://www.wzb.eu/sites/default/files/u8/ruud_koopmans_religious_fundamentalism_and_out-group_hostility_among_muslims_and_christian.pdf The French muslim are more fundamentalist than most others.

And that's your proof for Islamic fundamentalism?

I don't like people with tattoos, I think they look ridiculous, but I would still treat them fairly.

Just because people form a opinion of something doesn't make them extreme.

I don't like the concept of homosexuality aswell, am I a fundamentalist?