The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this country


Mr Shorten says 1,000 manufacturing jobs have been lost every month since Mr Abbott has been in power. There is no official data to support this claim, as figures for most of the period have not been published. In any case, many of the workers Mr Shorten is referring to will not officially leave their jobs for at least another year.



Yet under the ALP's watch manufacturing jobs were being lost at the rate of 1800 per month  :o


Just have a look at this graph, says it all, the ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this country.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/5264452/data/manufacturing-chart-provided-by-aig-data.jpg





http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-19/bill-shorten-cherrypicking-manufacturing-job-loss-figures/5260996

Nope. Its the governments. They are all doing it because they are all owned by the same companies.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:26am:

Nope. Its the governments. They are all doing it because they are all owned by the same companies. SOB

We are still (unfortunately) working under Labor's disastrous industrial relations regime, we are still suffering under Labor's carbon tax we were promised we'd never get and the mining tax that failed to raise any revenue in its first six months - all policies that are detrimental to business and investment in this country and all from Labor...

Just a never ending saga, ALP idiots wreck stuff then wheel out the propaganda unit to try and shift blame to someone else.

you can actually see where Rudderless threw hundreds of Billions of Tax payer dollars into lame worthless schemes creating short term worthless jobs...

then after that, the big crash came along with the Labor/Green Carbon Tax...

well, the geentard/labrats will get what they've been wanting... less electricity use...

they'll get it by manufacturing closing down all over Australia and everyone going onto unemployment... they have achieved this in 6 short years and we are still spiralling down to the bottom of the barrel ...

the worst government in the history of Australia...  >:(

True Blue... wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:12am:

you can actually see where Rudderless threw hundreds of Billions of Tax payer dollars into lame worthless schemes creating short term worthless jobs... then after that, the big crash came along with the Labor/Green Carbon Tax... well, the geentard/labrats will get what they've been wanting... less electricity use... they'll get it by manufacturing closing down all over Australia and everyone going onto unemployment... they have achieved this in 6 short years and we are still spiralling down to the bottom of the barrel ... the worst government in the history of Australia...  >:(

How many jobs were lost as a direct result of botched stimulus programs under Labor? The insulation scheme, the solar panels scheme, the school halls scheme? We know thousands lost their jobs in the disastrous solar scheme and long-time family businesses shut down because of the botched insulation scheme that cost four young men their lives. Labor are simply incompetent. What more can you say... what more needs to be said than that?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:37am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 4:26am: Nope. Its the governments. They are all doing it because they are all owned by the same companies. SOB We are still (unfortunately) working under Labor's disastrous industrial relations regime, we are still suffering under Labor's carbon tax we were promised we'd never get and the mining tax that failed to raise any revenue in its first six months - all policies that are detrimental to business and investment in this country and all from Labor...

Blah blah blah labor blah blah. Its BOTH governments and the greens as well. None of them want manufacturing in this country because they have the same bosses.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:36am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 4:37am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 4:26am: Nope. Its the governments. They are all doing it because they are all owned by the same companies. SOB We are still (unfortunately) working under Labor's disastrous industrial relations regime, we are still suffering under Labor's carbon tax we were promised we'd never get and the mining tax that failed to raise any revenue in its first six months - all policies that are detrimental to business and investment in this country and all from Labor... Blah blah blah labor blah blah. Its BOTH governments and the greens as well. None of them want manufacturing in this country because they have the same bosses. SOB

So your only response is that if you can't blame Abbott, you'll blame everyone. Good one, Einstein! ;D ;D ;D

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:35am:

The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this country Mr Shorten says 1,000 manufacturing jobs have been lost every month since Mr Abbott has been in power. There is no official data to support this claim, as figures for most of the period have not been published. In any case, many of the workers Mr Shorten is referring to will not officially leave their jobs for at least another year. Yet under the ALP's watch manufacturing jobs were being lost at the rate of 1800 per month  :o Just have a look at this graph, says it all, the ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this country. http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/5264452/data/manufacturing-chart-provided-by-aig-data.jpg http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-19/bill-shorten-cherrypicking-manufacturing-job-loss-figures/5260996

I notice you didn't produce the video that you referenced and you clearly don't understand the graph you posted. However I can understand how feeble minded people could be convinced that one government is far better than the others by reading that graph in isolation. If you apply reality to that graph labor comes out on top marginally. This is reflected by the
the constant switching in government in Australia. All that a side still one job every 3 minutes under the new government so a further dip. You presented nothing to contradict this statement..
You constant aggressive and abusive tones suggests that you have probably been shot in the head with a ball of your own poo.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:41am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:36am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 4:37am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 4:26am: Nope. Its the governments. They are all doing it because they are all owned by the same companies. SOB We are still (unfortunately) working under Labor's disastrous industrial relations regime, we are still suffering under Labor's carbon tax we were promised we'd never get and the mining tax that failed to raise any revenue in its first six months - all policies that are detrimental to business and investment in this country and all from Labor... Blah blah blah labor blah blah. Its BOTH governments and the greens as well. None of them want manufacturing in this country because they have the same bosses. SOB So your only response is that if you can't blame Abbott, you'll blame everyone. Good one, Einstein! ;D ;D ;D

What? You obviously have me confused with someone else. I have always had the same views on this.

SOB

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:35am:

The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this country

I think it was alleged ALP luminary PJ Keating who wanted to rid Australia of the 'smokestack industries' and base the economy on services and tourism. If that was the philosophy adopted by the 'enlightened and progressive' ALP, and by extension the ALP's whore, the unions, why do the unions bleat so much now? Did the unions complain to Keating when he changed the direction of the 'progressive and enlightened' ALP?

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:04am:

Just a never ending saga, ALP idiots wreck stuff then wheel out the propaganda unit to try and shift blame to someone else.

Sorry? Who is in Government at the moment numbnuts?

Speaking of propaganda, you just did  exactly that which you accuse the ALP of, I am thinking that may make you a propagoose....

Here is the problem though laid out clearly. BOTH sides do this garbage to avoid actually doing what they're elected to do, i.e. represent out interests here and abroad.

Whilst any person refuses point blank to recognise and address the flaws in their preferred team this country will continue to careen along in reverse gear.

Both teams have had a go at wrecking the joint. Oh, both teams and the high end of town (usually foreign owned by the by) have had their go at wrecking the joint, and their fawning sycophant supporters are the enablers whilst the rest of the world pretty much shakes its head and has a chuckle (also at our expense). It is a deserved chuckle though because, quite simply put, we are stupid...

Rubin wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:48am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 3:35am: The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this country Mr Shorten says 1,000 manufacturing jobs have been lost every month since Mr Abbott has been in power. There is no official data to support this claim, as figures for most of the period have not been published. In any case, many of the workers Mr Shorten is referring to will not officially leave their jobs for at least another year. Yet under the ALP's watch manufacturing jobs were being lost at the rate of 1800 per month  :o Just have a look at this graph, says it all, the ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this country. http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/5264452/data/manufacturing-chart-provided-by-aig-data.jpg http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-19/bill-shorten-cherrypicking-manufacturing-job-loss-figures/5260996 I notice you didn't produce the video that you referenced

Can't follow a link?, its really not that hard ... idiot!  ;D

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:35am:

The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this country Mr Shorten says 1,000 manufacturing jobs have been lost every month since Mr Abbott has been in power. There is no official data to support this claim, as figures for most of the period have not been published. In any case, many of the workers Mr Shorten is referring to will not officially leave their jobs for at least another year. Yet under the ALP's watch manufacturing jobs were being lost at the rate of 1800 per month  :o Just have a look at this graph, says it all, the ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this country. http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/5264452/data/manufacturing-chart-provided-by-aig-data.jpg http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-19/bill-shorten-cherrypicking-manufacturing-job-loss-figures/5260996

;) ;)

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:35am:

Yet under the ALP's watch manufacturing jobs were being lost at the rate of 1800 per month

True Blue... wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:12am:

then after that, the big crash came along with the Labor/Green Carbon Tax...

Funny how it all coincides with the Global Financial Crisis, you morons

I heard Shorten on the ABC yesterday say that he had a plan to create jobs. Unfortunately, I didn't hear what that plan was: I was laughing too much...

The Heartless Felon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:12am:

I heard Shorten on the ABC yesterday say that he had a plan to create jobs. Unfortunately, I didn't hear what that plan was: I was laughing too much...

I can understand that ....  pretty much the same thing happened when I first heard Abbott was going to create 1 000 000 jobs.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D hillarious

although, thinking back on it now, maybe I misheard him at the time, maybe he said he was going to remove 1 000 000 jobs

Rubin wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:48am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 3:35am: The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this country Mr Shorten says 1,000 manufacturing jobs have been lost every month since Mr Abbott has been in power. There is no official data to support this claim, as figures for most of the period have not been published. In any case, many of the workers Mr Shorten is referring to will not officially leave their jobs for at least another year. Yet under the ALP's watch manufacturing jobs were being lost at the rate of 1800 per month  :o Just have a look at this graph, says it all, the ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this country. http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/5264452/data/manufacturing-chart-provided-by-aig-data.jpg http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-19/bill-shorten-cherrypicking-manufacturing-job-loss-figures/5260996 I notice you didn't produce the video that you referenced and you clearly don't understand the graph you posted. However I can understand how feeble minded people could be convinced that one government is far better than the others by reading that graph in isolation. If you apply reality to that graph labor comes out on top marginally. This is reflected by the the constant switching in government in Australia. All that a side still one job every 3 minutes under the new government so a further dip. You presented nothing to contradict this statement.. You constant aggressive and abusive tones suggests that you have probably been shot in the head with a ball of your own poo.

I'd have to agree that the chart is virtually meaningless without other data. It appears that the OP either doesn't understand the chart or is deliberately relying on others not understanding in an attempt to pull a fast one over them.

To the casual eye it looks disastrous. However, when the chart is compared to the actual quantity of manufactured outputs it becomes a little clearer.

http://www.rba.gov.au/speeches/2012/images/sp-dg-070312-graph3.gif

What is revealing is that manufactured outputs have mostly flatlined for over a decade. The result of poor productivity growth for this period. There is a slight upswing just before 2008 with employment tracking the same. Since the two lines do not diverge, productivity has not improved at this time. Along comes a global meltdown and both decline. This is were it gets more interesting. Post about mid 2009 you will see that manufactured output, both domestically and exports have increased while employment decreased. This can only be explained by a small turnaround in productivity. Don't get excited, it is very meagre, only about 4% over 5 years. Way below the inflation rate and simply not good enough.

The Heartless Felon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:12am:

I heard Shorten on the ABC yesterday say that he had a plan to create jobs. Unfortunately, I didn't hear what that plan was: I was laughing too much...

I see there has been a break in at Wayne Swan's office. Didn't Mr Swan promise to create 500,000 new jobs? Mr Shorterm must be questioned about how he came by his job creation plan.

The ALP's policies created lots of new jobs ... unfortunately they were all in China.

The Heartless Felon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:12am:

I heard Shorten on the ABC yesterday say that he had a plan to create jobs. Unfortunately, I didn't hear what that plan was: I was laughing too much...

Isn't that just typical rightard "thinking".

Maybe the plan was interesting and useful, maybe not.

But at least it deserved to be heard rather than drowned by cachinnatory cackling.

The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this countr

When you can't defend the poor Lieberal performance go on the attack with more unsupported rubbish blaming Labor for the coalitions failures.

The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this countr

Ever since the Lieberals took charge and implemented their policy of not assisting manufacturing the businesses in that category have been tripping over each other in the rush to get out.

The Heartless Felon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:12am:

I heard Shorten on the ABC yesterday say that he had a plan to create jobs. Unfortunately, I didn't hear what that plan was: I was laughing too much...

Shorten says a lot of stuff that isn't worth listening to, but this is a real gem!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFELLK8htKM

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:36pm:

The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this countr Ever since the Lieberals took charge and implemented their policy of not assisting manufacturing the businesses in that category have been tripping over each other in the rush to get out.

Yeah, businesses are going to make a decision in a couple of months to close. These sorts of decisions are made over many months, if not years. Labor's carbon tax and disastrous changes to IR laws made operating in Australia a prohibitively expensive proposition for many large and small businesses.

John Smith wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:08am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 3:35am: Yet under the ALP's watch manufacturing jobs were being lost at the rate of 1800 per month  True Blue... wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:12am: then after that, the big crash came along with the Labor/Green Carbon Tax... Funny how it all coincides with the Global Financial Crisis, you nice people

There was no GFC....  it was largely a Northern hemisphere crisis...
I note the majority of companies cutting back closing down moving offshore are US based companies, or those with a large exposure to the US, and we all know the US is still in strife.
Alcoa, Ford, Holden, IBM...

Grendel wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 6:18am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 9:08am: Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 3:35am: Yet under the ALP's watch manufacturing jobs were being lost at the rate of 1800 per month  True Blue... wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:12am: then after that, the big crash came along with the Labor/Green Carbon Tax... Funny how it all coincides with the Global Financial Crisis, you nice people There was no GFC....  it was largely a Northern hemisphere crisis... I note the majority of companies cutting back closing down moving offshore are US based companies, or those with a large exposure to the US, and we all know the US is still in strife. Alcoa, Ford, Holden, IBM...

Exactly, due to checks and balances put in place by none other than Peter Costello, our banks and financial institutions were largely immune from the financial crisis that plagued the US and Europe.

Reality is, both parties killed the manufacturing sector, Labor Shot it in the chest and the liberals are now chopping off body parts off....

What we need ASAP is to back down from free trade agreements and to rise tariffs back up to once again make it affordable to manufacture in Australia. 

Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:10pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 9:12am: I heard Shorten on the ABC yesterday say that he had a plan to create jobs. Unfortunately, I didn't hear what that plan was: I was laughing too much... Isn't that just typical rightard "thinking". Maybe the plan was interesting and useful, maybe not. But at least it deserved to be heard rather than drowned by cachinnatory cackling.

The grownups are capable of learning from the past, Peter, and Shorten's past efforts are worth a chuckle anytime.

"cachinnatory cackling"? A touch tautological, no?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:24am:

True Blue... wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:12am: you can actually see where Rudderless threw hundreds of Billions of Tax payer dollars into lame worthless schemes creating short term worthless jobs... then after that, the big crash came along with the Labor/Green Carbon Tax... well, the geentard/labrats will get what they've been wanting... less electricity use... they'll get it by manufacturing closing down all over Australia and everyone going onto unemployment... they have achieved this in 6 short years and we are still spiralling down to the bottom of the barrel ... the worst government in the history of Australia...  >:( How many jobs were lost as a direct result of botched stimulus programs under Labor? The insulation scheme, the solar panels scheme, the school halls scheme? We know thousands lost their jobs in the disastrous solar scheme and long-time family businesses shut down because of the botched insulation scheme that cost four young men their lives. Labor are simply incompetent. What more can you say... what more needs to be said than that?

Nothing really...

Only a dero with a pickled brain with no clue of politics would vote for either Labor or the Greens...

Grendel wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 6:18am:

There was no GFC....

http://alivewithchrist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/head-in-sand-300x216.gif

Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:10pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 9:12am: I heard Shorten on the ABC yesterday say that he had a plan to create jobs. Unfortunately, I didn't hear what that plan was: I was laughing too much... Isn't that just typical rightard "thinking". Maybe the plan was interesting and useful, maybe not. But at least it deserved to be heard rather than drowned by cachinnatory cackling.

You can't blame him....


Apart from throwing away tax payers money by the billions - hundreds of BILLIONS - they've never had one good idea...

They always had BIG VISIONS of Australia...

Australia with jobs and industries, wealth beyond belief etc etc etc

Unfortunate only delivered misery... accept for the illegal boat people... they delivered them a life of not ever having to lift a finger again...

And every time yet another Labor/green policy failed they started throwing out red herrings...

Oh lets talk about the GAYS and gay marriage...

Oh, lets start calling the Liberals sexist and misogynist....

And the Australian media lapped it up instead of taking this most useless government in Australia's history to task and shredding it for its failing and useless policies that were destroying Australia...  >:(

And any person how voted for either the Labrats or the Loons are equally responsible for the destruction of Australia.... how you can ever show your faces around here is beyond belief...  >:(

I find it appalling the Hockey and Abbott are using the downturn in the global economy as an excuse for the slow growth in the economy and predicted mass cuts to Government spending when their was no GFC in Australia according to the Conga line.....The stimulus had a positive effect on the economy just as cuts will have a negative effect.....Abbott and Hockey cannot use the GFC as an excuse when they denied it ever had any affect on the Australian economy during the ALP's time in office!!!

>:( >:( >:(

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:15pm:

The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this countr When you can't defend the poor Lieberal performance go on the attack with more unsupported rubbish blaming Labor for the coalitions failures.

Can't read a graph?, haven't been listening to Bill lately?, the ALP is blaming the Libs for the ALP's failures ... NUMBNUTS!

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 9:24am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 9:15pm: The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this countr When you can't defend the poor Lieberal performance go on the attack with more unsupported rubbish blaming Labor for the coalitions failures. Can't read a graph?, haven't been listening to Bill lately?, the ALP is blaming the Libs for the ALP's failures ... NUMBNUTS!

You mean the graph which shown a slight downturn during about the worst economic downturn in a century that clearly indicates a better than expected result in the conditions ????

The graph that shows strong employment in poor conditions - that graph - the one that you interpret incorrectly.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 9:36am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 9:24am: Dnarever wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 9:15pm: The ALP has destroyed manufacturing in this countr When you can't defend the poor Lieberal performance go on the attack with more unsupported rubbish blaming Labor for the coalitions failures. Can't read a graph?, haven't been listening to Bill lately?, the ALP is blaming the Libs for the ALP's failures ... NUMBNUTS! You mean the graph which shown a slight downturn during about the worst economic downturn in a century that clearly indicates a better than expected result in the conditions ???? The graph that shows strong employment in poor conditions - that graph - the one that you interpret incorrectly.

Yeah ok ... get back to me when you are capable of critical thinking.  ;D

Bystander is a lost cause he  uses the term critical thinking yet basis his whole argument on one graph that he does not understand. Context does not matter to him nor reality. Blind loyalty to political party is how tirrinies starts and why other countries maintain the rights of their citizens to bare arms. US 2nd amendment .
Lucky for us most people that live in Australia are capable of  free thought and we don't have to many of his kind.

Even the conservative hating ABC agrees with me that Shorten is full of sh*t and nearly twice as many manufacturing jobs went under labor than the coalition ... suck it up losers  ;D

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 10:48am:

Even the conservative hating ABC agrees with me that Shorten is full of sh*t and nearly twice as many manufacturing jobs went under labor than the coalition ... suck it up losers  ;D

Twice as many jobs went in 6 years compared to 4 months ????

The Libs are on schedule to catch up by about May ????

You build a real strong case ???

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 10:48am:

Even the conservative hating ABC agrees with me that Shorten is full of sh*t and nearly twice as many manufacturing jobs went under labor than the coalition ... suck it up losers  ;D

You're funny can't read a graph or listen properly either bill shorten is bell end and over stated how bad the libs are doing comparison to the alp. He defiantly was cherry picking. But job losses double under alp is something you made up. Not in any of the links  you put up.

Look I know its your sworn duty as idiot lefties to defend knuckleheads and I also understand that you must still defend knuckleheads even when it is quite patently obvious they are WRONG as in the case of Shorten.
Anyway have fun with that, I'm not wasting any more time talking to you thickheads.  ;D

Lol calling a person  a bell end is not defending them you senile fruit cake enjoy day in  bazzaro world. Make sure you keep you stack hat on bystander