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Title: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by imcrookonit on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:16am
BHP threatens union with court action over proposed 24-hour stoppages
Date February 20, 2014 BHP Billiton has threatened to take the union representing coal train drivers to court in response to proposed strike action next week over stalled wage talks. BHP Mt Arthur Coal general manager Mark van den Heuvel has written to the Rail, Tram and Bus Industry Union saying the company will take "all necessary steps" including legal action to prevent harm to its business from any industrial action. The threat is similar to one made last year by Xstrata Coal when train drivers working for Pacific National went on strike in response to a stalemate in their salary negotiations. "This is multinational greed at its worst": :( Coal train drivers based in the Hunter who work for Aurizon say the company has refused to budge in their negotiations since May last year. They have threatened a 24-hour stoppage on Tuesday and another on Thursday if the company does not return to the negotiating table. A ban on overtime will also be in place this weekend. On Wednesday, the RTBU received a threatening letter from BHP, which relies on Aurizon's coal freight service to move its coal supply from Mt Arthur Coal Mine to Newcastle coal terminals. In his letter to the union, Mr van den Heuvel said any industrial action by Aurizon employees will cause harm to the mine's business by delaying the supply of coal to customers. "As you will appreciate, particularly in the current economic climate being experienced in the coal mining industry, it is not in the interests of the members of the RTBU or other workers in the industry, for industrial action to be taken which will cause harm to that industry," he said. RTBU national secretary Bob Nanva said the rights of the workforce to a "fair and reasonable" pay increase was at stake. "This is multinational greed at its worst. We're seeing a full court press from massive, highly profitable companies who are trying to deny a workforce of 200 train drivers their legitimate right to collectively bargain," Mr Nanva said. "This issue is no longer about Aurizon workers and their agreement. It's about the right of workers in the hunter and across Australia to collectively bargain without fear, threats or intimidation." :( A spokeswoman for Aurizon said the company is extremely disappointed the RTBU had decided to take industrial action when "there is a generous deal on the table". "This action will cause significant disruption and cost to our customers and the broader coal industry in NSW, as well as hurting the local economy in the Newcastle and the Hunter Valley," she said. "A 48-hour strike effectively becomes 72 hours of lost production because it takes about 12 hours to close down operations and 12 hours to re-start our business". "This irresponsible strike action comes at a time when local coal producers are needing every tonne of coal shipped. It's abundantly clear that the coal sector has been shedding jobs and the Australian economy faces unprecedented restructuring." The Aurizon proposal included a reduction in working hours for train drivers, increases in long service leave, a 12 per cent wage increase over three years and a $2000 one-off cash payment upon approval of the agreement. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/bhp-threatens-union-with-court-action-over-proposed-24hour-stoppages-20140220-3348a.html#ixzz2tuW4xODX |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by progressiveslol on Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:20am
What is the unions proposal?
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Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by woody2013 on Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:26am progressiveslol wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:20am:
To put the Choo Choo train drivers out of work Like Ford , GMH,Toyota, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by Swagman on Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:32am Quote:
That's never worried a union. Quote:
...and a partridge in a pear tree.... ;D Looks like a pretty good deal...WTF is the Union whinging about? |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by woody2013 on Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:37am Swagman wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:32am:
...and a partridge in a pear tree.... ;D Looks like a pretty good deal...WTF is the Union whinging about?[/quote] BYE BYE COAL INDUSTRY ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by Kat on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:26pm Swagman wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:32am:
...and a partridge in a pear tree.... ;D Looks like a pretty good deal...WTF is the Union whinging about?[/quote] Sounds OK on the surface. Wonder what the 'catch' is?? |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by Redmond Neck on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:35pm
Probably they want to be overpaid like the overpaid quarry men mine workers.
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Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by FriYAY on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:39pm Kat wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:26pm:
Sounds OK on the surface. Wonder what the 'catch' is??[/quote] The "catch"? The "catch" will be the pig ignorant, useless, bloated union rep not telling the workers just to accepet a decent deal and get the hell back to work. That's what the "catch" will be, that's always what the smacking "catch" is. |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by The Grappler 2014 on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:56pm
Yeah - they will become the new oil refinery workers who traditionally strike just before Christmas....
Actually it is time for this nonsense of 'suing unions' to cease - a Union, after all, is a group of its members and therefore suing a Union pe se is a nonsense. Can't the morons who claim to run the show sit down and negotiate? This is just bullying and will inevitably lead to a downturn in productivity and also to sabotage and so forth. I see 'overtime ban' and 'work to regs' are right up there in the reality scale - and there is no comeback? Watcha gonna do? Sack a driver who refuses overtime? When will the children who masquerade as management here in Australia and elsewhere grow up? Next case....... |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by FriYAY on Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:09pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:56pm:
Management and owners are the reason these people have jobs, and the reason bloated unions can scab $10,000,000's of dollars a year in dues. Accept a decent offer and get the bugger back to work. |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by Rubin on Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:25pm FriYAY wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:39pm:
The "catch"? The "catch" will be the pig ignorant, useless, bloated union rep not telling the workers just to accepet a decent deal and get the hell back to work. That's what the "catch" will be, that's always what the smacking "catch" is.[/quote] The catch is 12% over 4 years not 3 which nearly keeps up with inflation but not quite, the nsw drivers work 42 hr weeks. Which see drivers in nsw earn less than qld drivers doing a 38 hr week for the same company who I might add make $15 000000 a day moving coal |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by The Grappler 2014 on Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:48pm FriYAY wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:09pm:
.. and their workers are the whole reason those ghetts have a job at all on their bloated salaries and perks - so they need to man up and start working like a team - do it MY way! |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by The Grappler 2014 on Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:50pm Rubin wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:25pm:
Some sense and facts at last..... outside of all the rhetoric and bombast ... :o |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by Kat on Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:52pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:50pm:
They'll be wasted, though. Pearls before swine, and all that... |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by Bardot on Feb 21st, 2014 at 2:44pm
Geez Red, are you still banging on about that. ;)
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Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by Gnads on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 7:30am Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:35pm:
With that attitude I'd suggest a change of Avatar .... you sadly misrepresent it. >:( |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by Gnads on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 7:30am
The reason why they are rejecting the offer is the devil in the detail none of which has been presented to any of the Tory Union bashers on this site.
The $2,000 one off payment amounts to about $1,400 after tax & is just a red herring. They want to make these Drivers work longer hours for less pay. Reduce their annual & long service leave entitlements. And throw their rosters out the door, having them virtually not knowing what they are doing from day to day. Remove any balance of home/family life. The intent is the same in QLD ....... it's not a good deal. Oh & btw for all the bashers who know SFA ............ "The Union" ... is the membership ... & the executive is guided by the wishes of the membership. The agreement looks, smells & flies like a turkey .......... it would be fair to say ........ It's a turkey! |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by Redmond Neck on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 8:31am Gnads wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 7:30am:
Look mate I might in general be a lefty but that doesnt mean I cant see the reality of some situations. Ask any normal town worker or farmer in a mining area if they think mine workers are overpaid to the point of affecting their businesses, ability to attract staff, cost of housing and the like. |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by Gnads on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 8:41am Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 8:31am:
Who cares what they think? Are these the same people who pay their staff shyte money yet jamb up the prices of their goods & services & rental accommodation to cream the top off the wages that the mine workers earn? I'd say you are a closet tory & should be ashamed of yourself for your petty jealousy & for using the Eureka Flag. The reality is that's what these mining companies are prepared to pay to get workers into isolated areas. |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by The Grappler 2014 on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 9:47am
'Old it, Bruvvas! Le's not fight among ourselves!
The two issues of higher paid mine workers in small numbers wrecking local economies and the issues of Unions v management are separate - and need to be addressed separately. All of the above are pushing us closer and close to a totally regulated society, job market and so forth. That, to me is the major issue - not whether this will happen - but WHO will be controlling it when it does. You want Hocking Us All and Two Way Abetz running the show? |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by Redmond Neck on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 11:55am Gnads wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 8:41am:
No not many farmers creaming off the top, half of them are going broke and having to sell their productive farms to "Cashed Up Bogan Miners" to use as non productive hobby farms training there racehorses and similar rubbish Quote:
Fool you can go and get stuffed and since when were you made the flag inspector! Quote:
I have no isuue with fly-in-flyout people being highly paid for the inconvenience to there lives, but places like the Hunter Valley are not exactly isolated. |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by Gnads on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:38pm Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 11:55am:
Since when did you think you represent that flag? As for fools & stuffing you can make your own arrangements. Quote:
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So what makes those people in the Hunter less worthy of the same or similar remuneration as miners in other areas or states? The people you should be taking aim at are not those(excuse the pun) ... at the coal face. |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by Gnads on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:43pm
Oh btw .... being singular about the farmers when you mentioned town businesses etc. is not a reasonable response.
My sympathies lay with farmers who are doing it real tough at the moment because of the severe drought conditions in NSW & QLD .... in fact I have donated to the "Buy a Bale" campaign run by the Uniting Church.............. have you? |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by Redmond Neck on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:53pm
Boring!!!
Go and play with your Gonads Gnad and the other attachment as you are obviously good at fool!! :) :) :) :) :) :) |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by Redmond Neck on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:59pm Gnads wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:43pm:
Churches!! Sorry dont donate anything to the pedophile supporting churches, half of which are tax dodging organisations! give me areal charity and I will! |
Title: Re: Will The Coal Train Drivers Go On Strike. Post by Gnads on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 6:24pm
It's not a donation to the church per se .... it's a donation to our farmers.
http://www.buyabale.com.au/ If you can't see beyond you biased bullshyte re: churches & paedophiles then you are the fool/dill. As for being a wanker I'd suggest you look in the mirror. |
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