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Message started by Greens_Win on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:13pm

Title: Coalition Gunning To Fall In Victoria
Post by Greens_Win on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:13pm
Coalition's hold on Victorian Parliament threatened as Mildura MP Peter Crisp faces firearms charges


The Coalition's hold on power in Victoria could be under threat after a National Party MP was charged with firearms offences.

Mildura MP Peter Crisp is due to face court in May over a number of charges including the possession of a prohibited firearm and the possession of guns without a licence.

He was charged after reporting the theft of three guns from his farm in New South Wales.

If convicted, Mr Crisp would be ineligible to sit in Parliament, which would force a by-election and could threaten the Coalition's ability to govern.

Mr Crisp says he has always held the appropriate NSW and Victorian licences and had taken all reasonable precautions to ensure the safe storage of his guns.

Government frontbencher Nicholas Kotsiras says legal restrictions prevent him from talking about the issue.

"Peter is going to defend those allegations. It's a legal matter and it would be unfair of me to make any further comments at this stage," Mr Kotsiras said.

But Deputy Opposition leader James Merlino says the Government is trying to keep the charges quiet.

"What Victorians would want to see today is Denis Napthine coming out and revealing what he knew, when he knew it," he said.

"This is one of his government MPs


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-22/victorian-mp-charged-with-firearms-offences/5277350

Title: Re: Coalition Gunna Fall In Victoria
Post by Greens_Win on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:17pm
Mildura 2010 election result


http://www.abc.net.au/elections/vic/2010/guide/mild.htm

Title: Re: Coalition Gunna Fall In Victoria
Post by imcrookonit on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:18pm
Good buy Mr Napthine.   :)    [smiley=beer.gif]   

Title: Re: Coalition Gunna Fall In Victoria
Post by bobbythebat1 on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 2:02pm

wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:18pm:
Good buy Mr Napthine.   :)    [smiley=beer.gif]   



Yep - Dirty Dennis will be waiting in the queue at Centerlink.

Title: Re: Coalition Gunna Fall In Victoria
Post by Swagman on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 2:04pm

wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:18pm:
Good buy Mr Napthine.   :)    [smiley=beer.gif]   


Did he buy something good?


Title: Re: Coalition Gunning To Fall In Victoria
Post by adelcrow on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 3:26pm
Kinda shot himself in the foot  :D

Title: Re: Coalition Gunna Fall In Victoria
Post by True Blue... on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 3:32pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 2:04pm:

wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:18pm:
Good buy Mr Napthine.   :)    [smiley=beer.gif]   


Did he buy something good?


;D

Title: Re: Coalition Gunna Fall In Victoria
Post by Bam on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 9:01pm

wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:18pm:
Good buy Mr Napthine.   :)    [smiley=beer.gif]   

I wouldn't be so sure. Mildura is Nationals heartland, and it is likely that the Nationals would win a by-election if one were necessary. A possibility would be a prominent independent candidate getting up, as happened in the 1999 election in this seat. Nevertheless, the most likely outcome would be the Nationals retaining this seat.

Title: Re: Coalition Gunning To Fall In Victoria
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 10:42pm

____ wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:13pm:
Coalition's hold on Victorian Parliament threatened as Mildura MP Peter Crisp faces firearms charges


The Coalition's hold on power in Victoria could be under threat after a National Party MP was charged with firearms offences.

Mildura MP Peter Crisp is due to face court in May over a number of charges including the possession of a prohibited firearm and the possession of guns without a licence.

He was charged after reporting the theft of three guns from his farm in New South Wales.

If convicted, Mr Crisp would be ineligible to sit in Parliament, which would force a by-election and could threaten the Coalition's ability to govern.

Mr Crisp says he has always held the appropriate NSW and Victorian licences and had taken all reasonable precautions to ensure the safe storage of his guns.

Government frontbencher Nicholas Kotsiras says legal restrictions prevent him from talking about the issue.

"Peter is going to defend those allegations. It's a legal matter and it would be unfair of me to make any further comments at this stage," Mr Kotsiras said.

But Deputy Opposition leader James Merlino says the Government is trying to keep the charges quiet.

"What Victorians would want to see today is Denis Napthine coming out and revealing what he knew, when he knew it," he said.

"This is one of his government MPs


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-22/victorian-mp-charged-with-firearms-offences/5277350


He is a white man with a gun so of course the greens/leftist anti gun bigots and racists say he is guilty until he proves he is innocent, if it was a migrant doing a drive by shooting in Sydney the greens/leftists would probably say he is innocent until proven guilty.

The charges he is facing are posses prohibited firearm and being unlicensed which resulted from him reporting a theft of his firearms in NSW, if he has a license that charge is easily beaten, if his farm is classified as primary producer then he could get off the prohibited weapon as well,he is not permitted to take  category C weapons from his farm hence the reason why he left them on the farm.
I think for those cases where a primary producer also live elsewhere they should be allowed to take their category C weapons with them and store them in a safe where they live instead of leaving them on a Farm where they cannot monitor them and may not return for several weeks.

The states dont communicate with each other very well with shooters licenses, this has to change, a state license is valid for all of Australia.

Title: Re: Coalition Gunning To Fall In Victoria
Post by Frances on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 10:48pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 10:42pm:
He is a white man with a gun so of course the greens/leftist anti gun bigots and racists say he is guilty until he proves he is innocent


Where has anyone, left or right, said that he is guilty?

Title: Re: Coalition Gunning To Fall In Victoria
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 11:16pm

Frances wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 10:48pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 10:42pm:
He is a white man with a gun so of course the greens/leftist anti gun bigots and racists say he is guilty until he proves he is innocent


Where has anyone, left or right, said that he is guilty?


The thread title,the greens policy on firearms is nobody should have them and feral pests are a protected species in national parks.

A firearm is the best tool for dealing with feral pest problems, trapping and poison do not discriminate in which species they kill.





Title: Re: Coalition Gunning To Fall In Victoria
Post by olde.sault on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:09am

____ wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:13pm:
Coalition's hold on Victorian Parliament threatened as Mildura MP Peter Crisp faces firearms charges


The Coalition's hold on power in Victoria could be under threat after a National Party MP was charged with firearms offences.

Mildura MP Peter Crisp is due to face court in May over a number of charges including the possession of a prohibited firearm and the possession of guns without a licence.

He was charged after reporting the theft of three guns from his farm in New South Wales.

If convicted, Mr Crisp would be ineligible to sit in Parliament, which would force a by-election and could threaten the Coalition's ability to govern.

Mr Crisp says he has always held the appropriate NSW and Victorian licences and had taken all reasonable precautions to ensure the safe storage of his guns.

Government frontbencher Nicholas Kotsiras says legal restrictions prevent him from talking about the issue.

"Peter is going to defend those allegations. It's a legal matter and it would be unfair of me to make any further comments at this stage," Mr Kotsiras said.

But Deputy Opposition leader James Merlino says the Government is trying to keep the charges quiet.

"What Victorians would want to see today is Denis Napthine coming out and revealing what he knew, when he knew it," he said.

"This is one of his government MPs


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-22/victorian-mp-charged-with-firearms-offences/5277350


Sounds as though you love debts and lefist criminal activity that has done so well in NSW.

Title: Re: Coalition Gunning To Fall In Victoria
Post by The Abzi Party on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:35pm

olde.sault wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:09am:

____ wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:13pm:
Coalition's hold on Victorian Parliament threatened as Mildura MP Peter Crisp faces firearms charges


The Coalition's hold on power in Victoria could be under threat after a National Party MP was charged with firearms offences.

Mildura MP Peter Crisp is due to face court in May over a number of charges including the possession of a prohibited firearm and the possession of guns without a licence.

He was charged after reporting the theft of three guns from his farm in New South Wales.

If convicted, Mr Crisp would be ineligible to sit in Parliament, which would force a by-election and could threaten the Coalition's ability to govern.

Mr Crisp says he has always held the appropriate NSW and Victorian licences and had taken all reasonable precautions to ensure the safe storage of his guns.

Government frontbencher Nicholas Kotsiras says legal restrictions prevent him from talking about the issue.

"Peter is going to defend those allegations. It's a legal matter and it would be unfair of me to make any further comments at this stage," Mr Kotsiras said.

But Deputy Opposition leader James Merlino says the Government is trying to keep the charges quiet.

"What Victorians would want to see today is Denis Napthine coming out and revealing what he knew, when he knew it," he said.

"This is one of his government MPs


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-22/victorian-mp-charged-with-firearms-offences/5277350


Sounds as though you love debts and lefist criminal activity that has done so well in NSW.


Apart from right criminal activity and debt?

This is a Coalition member and it shows their not above criminality either!

Title: Re: Coalition Gunning To Fall In Victoria
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:42pm

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:35pm:

olde.sault wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:09am:

____ wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:13pm:
Coalition's hold on Victorian Parliament threatened as Mildura MP Peter Crisp faces firearms charges


The Coalition's hold on power in Victoria could be under threat after a National Party MP was charged with firearms offences.

Mildura MP Peter Crisp is due to face court in May over a number of charges including the possession of a prohibited firearm and the possession of guns without a licence.

He was charged after reporting the theft of three guns from his farm in New South Wales.

If convicted, Mr Crisp would be ineligible to sit in Parliament, which would force a by-election and could threaten the Coalition's ability to govern.

Mr Crisp says he has always held the appropriate NSW and Victorian licences and had taken all reasonable precautions to ensure the safe storage of his guns.

Government frontbencher Nicholas Kotsiras says legal restrictions prevent him from talking about the issue.

"Peter is going to defend those allegations. It's a legal matter and it would be unfair of me to make any further comments at this stage," Mr Kotsiras said.

But Deputy Opposition leader James Merlino says the Government is trying to keep the charges quiet.

"What Victorians would want to see today is Denis Napthine coming out and revealing what he knew, when he knew it," he said.

"This is one of his government MPs


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-22/victorian-mp-charged-with-firearms-offences/5277350


Sounds as though you love debts and lefist criminal activity that has done so well in NSW.



This is a Coalition member and it shows their not above criminality either!


A white man with a gun so the leftists think he is guilty until he proves he is innocent.

If it was a migrant doing a drive by shooting the leftists would say innocent until proven guilty.

When it comes to white people and guns the leftists are racist bigots.

Title: Re: Coalition Gunna Fall In Victoria
Post by froggie on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:50pm

Bam wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 9:01pm:

wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:18pm:
Good buy Mr Napthine.   :)    [smiley=beer.gif]   

I wouldn't be so sure. Mildura is Nationals heartland, and it is likely that the Nationals would win a by-election if one were necessary. A possibility would be a prominent independent candidate getting up, as happened in the 1999 election in this seat. Nevertheless, the most likely outcome would be the Nationals retaining this seat.


Have to agree.
Would be a BIG turnaround for the Nats to lose that seat....
Can always live in kope, I suppose.

:)

Title: Re: Coalition Gunning To Fall In Victoria
Post by Bam on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:12am

____ wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 1:13pm:
He was charged after reporting the theft of three guns from his farm in New South Wales.

Why does he have a farm in NSW? Does he even live in Victoria?

Title: Re: Coalition Gunning To Fall In Victoria
Post by Bam on Feb 28th, 2014 at 7:19am
Here is another example that shows why Crisp does not have the good judgement needed to be an MP, and why Napthine is a weak Premier.

Premier stands by embattled MP

Quote:
Victoria's Premier Denis Napthine has conceded it was an "error of judgement" for one of his MPs to write a character reference for a man convicted of child pornography offences.

Mildura Nationals MP Peter Crisp wrote to Corrections Victoria in 2011 urging it to allow the man to travel overseas to Turkey.

This comes after Mr Crisp was charged with firearms offences, which he says he will vigorously defend.

Dr Napthine says it was a mistake for Mr Crisp to write the reference, but he has the Government's full support.

"Mr Crisp has been a member for Mildura since 2006, he is a very very hard working and effective member for Mildura.

"He is a compassionate man, he is a man who really fights for his local community," the Premier said.

"Mr Crisp himself has put out a statement today saying it was an error of judgement, it certainly was something I wouldn't have done.

"He has apologised to myself, the Deputy Premier and to anybody else who may have been hurt by the actions he took," Dr Napthine said.


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