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The  Minister for Stopping Immigration Scott Morrison,  has contradicted his own version of accounts about the riots that took place at Manus Island last week.

Last week Morrison insisted that the riots took place outside the Manus Island processing centre, asserting that the death of one asylum seeker would not have occurred had he remained inside the compound.

However, last night Morrison was forced to backtrack from his previous statements, revealing that the “majority of the events” took place outside the the perimeter of the centre.

“As advised on the afternoon of Tuesday February 18, I indicated that I had received further information which meant that I could no longer confirm that the deceased man sustained his injuries outside the centre. The further information I have now received casts further doubt on the initial advice that his injuries were sustained outside the centre.”

Protests at the Manus centre escalated last Sunday night, leading to violence involving guards, local contractors and asylum seekers. One asylum seeker was killed during the disturbance and several were seriously injured.

THE ARROGANCE SHOWS NO BOUNDS

At media briefings during the week Morrison berated journalists for raising reports that contradicted his version of events over the location of riots.

Morrison even emphasised the increased risk to asylum seekers who intentionally left the perimeter of the facility and the fact that the Australian government could not guarantee the safety of those who chose to go outside.

The revised account also casts serious doubt on the accuracy of information from the service provider G4S.

In its statement on Tuesday G4S described claims that asylum seekers had breached the perimeter only to flee attacks by local residents who had entered the compound as “unfounded.”

“A number of [so-called] transferees were injured after they breached the perimeter fence and the matter became a law enforcement issue for PNG authorities.”

In a further remarkable development, G4S appeared to have been unaware of Morrison’s statement.

A G4S spokesman asked The Gutter Trash to forward a copy to the company on Sunday morning. G4S said it was preparing a statement in response to Morrison’s new remarks.

HE HAS NO IDEA

The opposition immigration spokesman, Richard Marles, said Morrison appeared to have no understanding of the facts on Manus.

“Earlier in the week Scott Morrison did not speak on advice, he spoke personally and emphatically when he gave an assurance that the tragic events that did so last week occurred outside the Manus Island dentition facility,” Marles said.

“This is a man who has no idea of what the facts are. This is a man who is not in charge of the Manus Island detention facility and it raises enormous questions about his ability to manage this issue.

“He now needs to hold himself accountable to the Australian people … this goes to the safety that is being provided to asylum seekers within an Australian-run detention facility.”

The Greens leader, Christine Milne, called on Tony Abbott to sack Morrison over his handling of the situation.

“The prime minister must sack the minister and close his cruel refugee prisons immediately,” she said.

“Tony Abbott must take personal responsibility for the failure of the morally bankrupt and cruel offshore processing regime that was started by Labor and embraced by his government.

“Tony Abbott had a direct line of duty of care to Reza Berati and he is now dead. He must take personal responsibility. Blaming the victims of this tragedy is cowardice.”

The Labor frontbencher and former immigration minister Chris Bowen said the developments were “deeply concerning”.

“We’ve had a death, which is a tragedy, and we’ve got a minister who frankly treats the public, the parliament and the media with contempt and drip-feeds out information – and now we see that information is wrong as often as it is right,” Bowen told The Gutter Trash earlier today.

“If he thinks a written statement at 9 o’clock on a Saturday night is being transparent then he is sadly mistaken. He should explain not only what went on here but also when he was told that the information he had previously released was wrong.”

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Bowen said Morrison was “very certain of his facts last week”.

“He was lecturing the Australian people and journalists and the shadow minister and everybody to be clear of their facts. Now we know he was the one that was wrong and he’s got a lot of explaining to do.”

Bowen said the Manus Island centre was an important part of Australia’s immigration policies but Morrison must ensure it was being run in a way that did “not unduly endanger human life”.

At a media conference about the unrest on Tuesday, Morrison said: “The deceased person involved a head injury and that person passed away on transfer to the Lorengau Hospital. The injury was sustained outside the centre.”

On Friday Morrison identified the dead asylum seeker as Reza Berati, a 23-year-old from Iran. Berati had arrived in Australia on 24 July, 2013, and was sent to Manus Island.

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On Friday Morrison identified the dead asylum seeker as Reza Berati, a 23-year-old from Iran. Berati had arrived in Australia on 24 July, 2013, and was sent to Manus Island.

It is not yet clear whether the PNG coroner will also conduct an inquiry into Berati’s death. Coronial inquests must be approved by the PNG National Executive Council. It has yet to issue any approval in Berati’s case.

Morrison initially appeared certain about the accuracy of the information he was receiving about the riots, but he has gradually retreated from his original statement.

In Tuesday’s media conference he emphasised the limited protection Australia could offer asylum seekers who had escaped the perimeter compound.

“If people chose to remove themselves from that centre then they are obviously putting themselves at a place of much greater risk and in an environment like that where there is violent behaviour on the part of those who are breaching the perimeter fence and going out of the centre then this is a disorderly environment in which there is always great risk.”


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Some head has to roll.  The Minister lied.  He has been caught out by his own 'absolute' bravado spin.  The deceased was obviously killed in a situation exactly where it was this prick's obligation to provide protection, and then he lied to cover up his failure to provide that protection.

Further, as has been asked already in the MSM, why did he choose to release the 'truth' at 9.00 pm last night?  When did he become aware of said 'truth?'

smacking arsehole.  In any other Government, this bloke's political head would already be on the ground beside the political block, but you can bet your last rupee that Abbott will try to stare it all down.

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a written statement at 9 o’clock on a Saturday night

Enough time to make it to the front page of The Daily Terror, one would think....

But, then again, Abbott did say he wanted politics OFF the front page.

Must have known what a shambles was leading into government.

;)

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The  Minister for Stopping Immigration Scott Morrison,  has contradicted his own version of accounts about the riots that took place at Manus Island last week.

Surely it's the fault of some junior Naval navigator???

:D

Lobo wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 1:42pm:

Quote: The  Minister for Stopping Immigration Scott Morrison,  has contradicted his own version of accounts about the riots that took place at Manus Island last week. Surely it's the fault of some junior Naval navigator??? :D

;)  Like when the previous govt drowned all those children at sea   ;) ;)

woody2014 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 1:44pm:

Lobo wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 1:42pm: Quote: The  Minister for Stopping Immigration Scott Morrison,  has contradicted his own version of accounts about the riots that took place at Manus Island last week. Surely it's the fault of some junior Naval navigator??? :D ;)  Like when the previous govt drowned all those children at sea   ;) ;)

Not sure I accept the analogy, but to go with it.....at least there were no lies like we get from Abbott's Minister.

Aussie wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 1:46pm:

woody2014 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 1:44pm: Lobo wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 1:42pm: Quote: The  Minister for Stopping Immigration Scott Morrison,  has contradicted his own version of accounts about the riots that took place at Manus Island last week. Surely it's the fault of some junior Naval navigator??? :D ;)  Like when the previous govt drowned all those children at sea   ;) ;) Not sure I accept the analogy, but to go with it.....at least there were no lies like we get from Abbott's Minister.

Only got a minute but, i DIN'T USE UNION CARD   ;D ;D

He must resign.

Click here.


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This means that if waste, corruption, or any other misbehaviour is found to have occurred within a ministry, the minister is responsible even if the minister had no knowledge of the actions. A minister is ultimately responsible for all actions by a ministry because, even without knowledge of an infraction by subordinates, the minister approved the hiring and continued employment of those civil servants. If misdeeds are found to have occurred in a ministry, the minister is expected to resign. It is also possible for a minister to face criminal charges for malfeasance under their watch.

Aussie wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 1:52pm:

He must resign. Click here. Quote: This means that if waste, corruption, or any other misbehaviour is found to have occurred within a ministry, the minister is responsible even if the minister had no knowledge of the actions. A minister is ultimately responsible for all actions by a ministry because, even without knowledge of an infraction by subordinates, the minister approved the hiring and continued employment of those civil servants. If misdeeds are found to have occurred in a ministry, the minister is expected to resign. It is also possible for a minister to face criminal charges for malfeasance under their watch.

No carbon tax under a govt I lead  "LIE"

As I said, he can only convey information as it is given to him.

Fish mouth Bowen, like Milne, and no doubt that whinging bug-eyed SHY are merely using this unfortunate death for political leverage.......scum!

They rioted, they caused the situation.

Aussie wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 1:46pm:

woody2014 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 1:44pm: Lobo wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 1:42pm: Quote: The  Minister for Stopping Immigration Scott Morrison,  has contradicted his own version of accounts about the riots that took place at Manus Island last week. Surely it's the fault of some junior Naval navigator??? :D ;)  Like when the previous govt drowned all those children at sea   ;) ;) Not sure I accept the analogy, but to go with it.....at least there were no lies like we get from Abbott's Minister.

Helps him to sleep better at night.....

:D

Morrison isn't camping outside the Manus Island detention centre. He relies on reports from those who are there. From the sounds of it, the incident was utter chaos, so one could reasonably expect there to be conflicting reports as to what happened. He has NOT lied - he has worked with the best information he had at the time.

woody2014 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 1:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 1:52pm: He must resign. Click here. Quote: This means that if waste, corruption, or any other misbehaviour is found to have occurred within a ministry, the minister is responsible even if the minister had no knowledge of the actions. A minister is ultimately responsible for all actions by a ministry because, even without knowledge of an infraction by subordinates, the minister approved the hiring and continued employment of those civil servants. If misdeeds are found to have occurred in a ministry, the minister is expected to resign. It is also possible for a minister to face criminal charges for malfeasance under their watch. No carbon tax under a govt I lead  "LIE"

False analogy.  And to respond to the other comments ~ Morrison mouthed off that the bloke's demise was outside the centre.  That was a lie which came out of his mouth.  As a Minister of the Crown, he is therefore responsible to ensure what comes out is the truth.  He could credibly have said, "We do not yet reliably know, and I will reveal all when I am satisfied I have reliable data, and even then I will source my comments."

He smacking lied about the death of a human being he had the personal political obligation to protect from any harm.

viewpoint wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 1:55pm:

As I said, he can only convey information as it is given to him. Fish mouth Bowen, like Milne, and no doubt that whinging bug-eyed SHY are merely using this unfortunate death for political leverage.......scum! They rioted, they caused the situation.

Instead of only reading the last chapter of a book read all the book then come back and say why did Asylum Seekers rioted for. Do you know at all or are you just spouting libturd party bullshyte?

woody2014 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 1:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 1:52pm: He must resign. Click here. Quote: This means that if waste, corruption, or any other misbehaviour is found to have occurred within a ministry, the minister is responsible even if the minister had no knowledge of the actions. A minister is ultimately responsible for all actions by a ministry because, even without knowledge of an infraction by subordinates, the minister approved the hiring and continued employment of those civil servants. If misdeeds are found to have occurred in a ministry, the minister is expected to resign. It is also possible for a minister to face criminal charges for malfeasance under their watch. No carbon tax under a govt I lead  "LIE"

So you excuse this governments wrong doings by comparing  them to the former governments perceived lies( as Gillard didn't lie! she said she would price carbon and she did, so you're the liar) which you whined about like the hysterical hypocritical baby you are.  ::)

I suppose the Pink-Batts fiasco which caused the deaths of more than one, I think four, young installers didn't warrant a sacrificial lamb eh, because it sure as hell didn't get one!

viewpoint wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:05pm:

I suppose the Pink-Batts fiasco which caused the deaths of more than one, I think four, young installers didn't warrant a sacrificial lamb eh, because it sure as hell didn't get one!

Quite right.  But, that has zero to do with Morrison and his obligations as a Minister of the Crown in a Westminster system of Government.

Lying scum of a Ministerial kind must go, and if they don't fall on their sword, the PM has an obligation to send them on their way.

viewpoint wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:05pm:

I suppose the Pink-Batts fiasco which caused the deaths of more than one, I think four, young installers didn't warrant a sacrificial lamb eh, because it sure as hell didn't get one!

How many inquires do you need before you get the answer you want.

Now back on track, Morrison lied so why are you sticking up for him?


Next time don't try to highjack the thread

John S wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:12pm:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:05pm: I suppose the Pink-Batts fiasco which caused the deaths of more than one, I think four, young installers didn't warrant a sacrificial lamb eh, because it sure as hell didn't get one! How many inquires do you need before you get the answer you want. Now back on track, Morrison lied so why are you sticking up for him? Next time don't try to highjack the thread

Do you have proof he lied? If so, lets see it.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:15pm:

John S wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:12pm: viewpoint wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:05pm: I suppose the Pink-Batts fiasco which caused the deaths of more than one, I think four, young installers didn't warrant a sacrificial lamb eh, because it sure as hell didn't get one! How many inquires do you need before you get the answer you want. Now back on track, Morrison lied so why are you sticking up for him? Next time don't try to highjack the thread Do you have proof he lied? If so, lets see it.

Is his confession acceptable to you as proof?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:15pm:

John S wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:12pm: viewpoint wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:05pm: I suppose the Pink-Batts fiasco which caused the deaths of more than one, I think four, young installers didn't warrant a sacrificial lamb eh, because it sure as hell didn't get one! How many inquires do you need before you get the answer you want. Now back on track, Morrison lied so why are you sticking up for him? Next time don't try to highjack the thread Do you have proof he lied? If so, lets see it.

ARE YOU FOR REAL?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/23/scott-morrison-contradicts-account-manus-island-unrest

Scott Morrison has contradicted his previous account of last week’s unrest at the Manus Island processing centre, now conceding the events – including the death of one asylum seeker – occurred largely within the perimeter compound.

The immigration minister released a statement late on Saturday night saying: “I wish to confirm that contrary to initial reports received, I have received further information that indicates that the majority of the riotous behaviour that occurred, and the response to that behaviour to restore order to the centre, took place within the perimeter of the centre.

“As advised on the afternoon of Tuesday February 18, I indicated that I had received further information which meant that I could no longer confirm that the deceased man sustained his injuries outside the centre. The further information I have now received casts further doubt on the initial advice that his injuries were sustained outside the centre.”

Are you actually saying that he didn't lie - even though he just admitted to it?

Even Andrew Bolt doesn't believe him:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/morrison_claims_he_was_misled_detainees_injured_inside_manus_centre/

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison admits he was misled about the Manus Island riot - misled, I’d add, in a very serious way:


I wish to confirm that contrary to initial reports received, I have received further information that indicates that the majority of the riotous behaviour that occurred, and the response to that behaviour to restore order to the centre, took place within the perimeter of the centre.

As advised on the afternoon of Tuesday February 18, I indicated that I had received further information which meant that I could no longer confirm that the deceased man sustained his injuries outside the centre. The further information I have now received casts further doubt on the initial advice that his injuries were sustained outside the centre.

I find it hard to believe that whoever assured Morrison or his staff that most injuries were suffered outside the centre was not lying. It’s no longer possible to believe other assurances now, including claims there was no evidence of anyone having their throat cut.

My confidence in the information given to date by the Government on this riot is now extremely low.

There is now an independent investigation, but I’d like some interim signs that the guilty are being removed and any suspect staff urgently replaced

I think AP has gone for the "Long P!ss"......


;D

viewpoint wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 1:55pm:

As I said, he can only convey information as it is given to him. Fish mouth Bowen, like Milne, and no doubt that whinging bug-eyed SHY are merely using this unfortunate death for political leverage.......scum! They rioted, they caused the situation.

rubbish ... he needs to check his information before he opens his mouth ...

if his secretary said to him that she heard the asylum seekers were eating their kids, would he just come out and announce it to the media? or do you think he might check to see if it were true before opening his mouth?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:15pm:

Do you have proof he lied? If so, lets see it.

for you to see it you'd need to open your eyes first ....  :D :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:15pm: Do you have proof he lied? If so, lets see it. for you to see it you'd need to open your eyes first ....  :D :D :D :D

Re: Close Manus Now
Reply #166 - Today at 2:42pm Quote  Greens_Win wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 4:57am:
Inquiry launched into PNG violence

A government inquiry is to be held into violent clashes on Manus Island that left one Iranian asylum seeker dead and scores of others severely injured.

Monday was the second day of violence in Papua New Guinea as tensions escalated between asylum seekers, the security forces, the local police and PNG residents, in what refugee advocates have described as a ''premeditated massacre'' on the island.

On Tuesday night, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison conceded it was unclear whether the attacks happened inside or outside the detention centre. ''I can't give you an absolute position on that as there are some conflicting reports at the moment and once those are resolved and the reasons for those conflicts then I'd be in a position to report on it,'' he said at a news conference in Canberra.

Mr Morrison said an independent review would investigate the violence. The secretary of his department, Martin Bowles, would "initiate a full review into this incident in the same way the former government commissioned previous reviews into incidents".

Tension had been simmering for weeks in the centre, as asylum seekers became more anxious about their future and when they would be processed. In a meeting on Sunday night they were told that if they were not found to be a refugee, neither the Australian nor PNG governments would help them resettle in PNG.

That night 35 people escaped the centre, wielding bed posts as weapons in protest at the news and 19 people were injured. On Monday afternoon, the tension had become so great asylum seekers were contacting refugee advocates saying they were fearful of a violent attack by PNG police and angry locals.

By early Tuesday morning one asylum seeker had been killed, one had been shot and more than 77 people lay bloodied, cut and severely injured. Four asylum seekers have since been transferred to Port Moresby, while one has been transferred to Australia.

The president of the Human Rights Commission, Professor Gillian Triggs, said Australia was not upholding its international responsibility to asylum seekers, and also called for an inquiry.

''The primary obligation that Australia has is to offer protection for asylum seekers and we cannot abdicate that responsibility by sending people to a third country, in this case Papua New Guinea.''

On Tuesday morning Mr Morrison warned asylum seekers of dangerous conditions outside the centre. ''Those who are breaching the perimeter fence and going out of the centre, then this is a disorderly environment in which there is always great risk,'' he told reporters in Darwin.

But there is some doubt where the Iranian asylum seeker died.

Papua New Guinea Prime Minister Peter O'Neill said in a statement that the Iranian man died from ''serious injuries sustained during the fight at the centre''.

Mr O'Neill said the incident was ''most regrettable'' and vowed to investigate. Anyone found to be breaking PNG law would be prosecuted, he said.

His spokesman later said the Iranian man had been ''in or around the centre'' when he was killed. He could not say whether the man was inside the perimeter.

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:34pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:15pm: John S wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:12pm: viewpoint wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:05pm: I suppose the Pink-Batts fiasco which caused the deaths of more than one, I think four, young installers didn't warrant a sacrificial lamb eh, because it sure as hell didn't get one! How many inquires do you need before you get the answer you want. Now back on track, Morrison lied so why are you sticking up for him? Next time don't try to highjack the thread Do you have proof he lied? If so, lets see it. ARE YOU FOR REAL? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/23/scott-morrison-contradicts-account-manus-island-unrest Scott Morrison has contradicted his previous account of last week’s unrest at the Manus Island processing centre, now conceding the events – including the death of one asylum seeker – occurred largely within the perimeter compound. The immigration minister released a statement late on Saturday night saying: “I wish to confirm that contrary to initial reports received, I have received further information that indicates that the majority of the riotous behaviour that occurred, and the response to that behaviour to restore order to the centre, took place within the perimeter of the centre. “As advised on the afternoon of Tuesday February 18, I indicated that I had received further information which meant that I could no longer confirm that the deceased man sustained his injuries outside the centre. The further information I have now received casts further doubt on the initial advice that his injuries were sustained outside the centre.” Are you actually saying that he didn't lie - even though he just admitted to it? Even Andrew Bolt doesn't believe him: http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/morrison_claims_he_was_misled_detainees_injured_inside_manus_centre/ Immigration Minister Scott Morrison admits he was misled about the Manus Island riot - misled, I’d add, in a very serious way: I wish to confirm that contrary to initial reports received, I have received further information that indicates that the majority of the riotous behaviour that occurred, and the response to that behaviour to restore order to the centre, took place within the perimeter of the centre. As advised on the afternoon of Tuesday February 18, I indicated that I had received further information which meant that I could no longer confirm that the deceased man sustained his injuries outside the centre. The further information I have now received casts further doubt on the initial advice that his injuries were sustained outside the centre. I find it hard to believe that whoever assured Morrison or his staff that most injuries were suffered outside the centre was not lying. It’s no longer possible to believe other assurances now, including claims there was no evidence of anyone having their throat cut. My confidence in the information given to date by the Government on this riot is now extremely low. There is now an independent investigation, but I’d like some interim signs that the guilty are being removed and any suspect staff urgently replaced

Let's get this right from all sides of the political divide.  It is a given that when a Minister of the Crown goes stridently public on a matter as serious as the death of a human being in his care, and makes statements of fact about the circumstances surrounding that death (without the usual caveat of "I have been advised that......) he must be telling the truth.  No ifs or buts.  It must be true.

We know he lied, because he has now confessed to the lie.

It is 1 + 1 = 2, people.  If a Minister of the Crown is caught in this very scenario, his obligation is to resign.  If he doesn't, it is the job of the PM to boot him.

But, I am not confident that will happen under an Abbott led Government, thus disgracing this Country internally and internationally.

woody2014 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:45pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:15pm: Do you have proof he lied? If so, lets see it. for you to see it you'd need to open your eyes first ....  :D :D :D :D Re: Close Manus Now Reply #166 - Today at 2:42pm Quote  Greens_Win wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 4:57am: Inquiry launched into PNG violence A government inquiry is to be held into violent clashes on Manus Island that left one Iranian asylum seeker dead and scores of others severely injured. Monday was the second day of violence in Papua New Guinea as tensions escalated between asylum seekers, the security forces, the local police and PNG residents, in what refugee advocates have described as a ''premeditated massacre'' on the island. On Tuesday night, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison conceded it was unclear whether the attacks happened inside or outside the detention centre. ''I can't give you an absolute position on that as there are some conflicting reports at the moment and once those are resolved and the reasons for those conflicts then I'd be in a position to report on it,'' he said at a news conference in Canberra. Mr Morrison said an independent review would investigate the violence. The secretary of his department, Martin Bowles, would "initiate a full review into this incident in the same way the former government commissioned previous reviews into incidents". Tension had been simmering for weeks in the centre, as asylum seekers became more anxious about their future and when they would be processed. In a meeting on Sunday night they were told that if they were not found to be a refugee, neither the Australian nor PNG governments would help them resettle in PNG. That night 35 people escaped the centre, wielding bed posts as weapons in protest at the news and 19 people were injured. On Monday afternoon, the tension had become so great asylum seekers were contacting refugee advocates saying they were fearful of a violent attack by PNG police and angry locals. By early Tuesday morning one asylum seeker had been killed, one had been shot and more than 77 people lay bloodied, cut and severely injured. Four asylum seekers have since been transferred to Port Moresby, while one has been transferred to Australia. The president of the Human Rights Commission, Professor Gillian Triggs, said Australia was not upholding its international responsibility to asylum seekers, and also called for an inquiry. ''The primary obligation that Australia has is to offer protection for asylum seekers and we cannot abdicate that responsibility by sending people to a third country, in this case Papua New Guinea.'' On Tuesday morning Mr Morrison warned asylum seekers of dangerous conditions outside the centre. ''Those who are breaching the perimeter fence and going out of the centre, then this is a disorderly environment in which there is always great risk,'' he told reporters in Darwin. But there is some doubt where the Iranian asylum seeker died. Papua New Guinea Prime Minister Peter O'Neill said in a statement that the Iranian man died from ''serious injuries sustained during the fight at the centre''. Mr O'Neill said the incident was ''most regrettable'' and vowed to investigate. Anyone found to be breaking PNG law would be prosecuted, he said. His spokesman later said the Iranian man had been ''in or around the centre'' when he was killed. He could not say whether the man was inside the perimeter.

I'm sure he concedes today that it was unclear, but that wasn't what the said when he made the statement originally

woody2014 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:45pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:15pm: Do you have proof he lied? If so, lets see it. for you to see it you'd need to open your eyes first ....  :D :D :D :D Re: Close Manus Now Reply #166 - Today at 2:42pm Quote  Greens_Win wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 4:57am: Inquiry launched into PNG violence A government inquiry is to be held into violent clashes on Manus Island that left one Iranian asylum seeker dead and scores of others severely injured. Monday was the second day of violence in Papua New Guinea as tensions escalated between asylum seekers, the security forces, the local police and PNG residents, in what refugee advocates have described as a ''premeditated massacre'' on the island. On Tuesday night, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison conceded it was unclear whether the attacks happened inside or outside the detention centre. ''I can't give you an absolute position on that as there are some conflicting reports at the moment and once those are resolved and the reasons for those conflicts then I'd be in a position to report on it,'' he said at a news conference in Canberra. Mr Morrison said an independent review would investigate the violence. The secretary of his department, Martin Bowles, would "initiate a full review into this incident in the same way the former government commissioned previous reviews into incidents". Tension had been simmering for weeks in the centre, as asylum seekers became more anxious about their future and when they would be processed. In a meeting on Sunday night they were told that if they were not found to be a refugee, neither the Australian nor PNG governments would help them resettle in PNG. That night 35 people escaped the centre, wielding bed posts as weapons in protest at the news and 19 people were injured. On Monday afternoon, the tension had become so great asylum seekers were contacting refugee advocates saying they were fearful of a violent attack by PNG police and angry locals. By early Tuesday morning one asylum seeker had been killed, one had been shot and more than 77 people lay bloodied, cut and severely injured. Four asylum seekers have since been transferred to Port Moresby, while one has been transferred to Australia. The president of the Human Rights Commission, Professor Gillian Triggs, said Australia was not upholding its international responsibility to asylum seekers, and also called for an inquiry. ''The primary obligation that Australia has is to offer protection for asylum seekers and we cannot abdicate that responsibility by sending people to a third country, in this case Papua New Guinea.'' On Tuesday morning Mr Morrison warned asylum seekers of dangerous conditions outside the centre. ''Those who are breaching the perimeter fence and going out of the centre, then this is a disorderly environment in which there is always great risk,'' he told reporters in Darwin. But there is some doubt where the Iranian asylum seeker died. Papua New Guinea Prime Minister Peter O'Neill said in a statement that the Iranian man died from ''serious injuries sustained during the fight at the centre''. Mr O'Neill said the incident was ''most regrettable'' and vowed to investigate. Anyone found to be breaking PNG law would be prosecuted, he said. His spokesman later said the Iranian man had been ''in or around the centre'' when he was killed. He could not say whether the man was inside the perimeter.

That was the 19th February.  Last night, Morrison confessed, but failed to fall on his sword.  The bloke is a dead duck politically, and given the penchant for this Government for secrecy and cover-up, I have no faith whatsoever in any Government controlled Inquiry. 

1.  Morrison must resign.
2.  If he doesn't, Abbott must sack him.
3.  There must be a Royal Commission with access to all Cabinet documents (given that door has now been opened.)

I have full confidence in the judgement of the Australian people to recognise that this bloke is the very best in the job for many a long day.

Of course, in saying that, I recognise that I come from a completely different perspective than the followers of the juvenile SHY.

John S wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:12pm:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:05pm: I suppose the Pink-Batts fiasco which caused the deaths of more than one, I think four, young installers didn't warrant a sacrificial lamb eh, because it sure as hell didn't get one! How many inquires do you need before you get the answer you want. Now back on track, Morrison lied so why are you sticking up for him? Next time don't try to highjack the thread

Like everybody else on this forum, I AM entitled to my opinion.......you idiotic sack of crap!

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:56pm:

I have full confidence in the judgement of the Australian people to recognise that this bloke is the very best in the job for many a long day. Of course, in saying that, I recognise that I come from a completely different perspective than the followers of the juvenile SHY.

I'm no follower of any juvenile.  What part of the proposition that Morrison must resign do you not understand?  He lied about the circumstances of the death of a human being under his direct care and protection.  That is fact.

It could also be argued that he is directly responsible for that death.

Do you not understand that if you place people in detention, it is your job (duty of care) that they be safe under said detention?

viewpoint wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:59pm:

John S wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:12pm: viewpoint wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:05pm: I suppose the Pink-Batts fiasco which caused the deaths of more than one, I think four, young installers didn't warrant a sacrificial lamb eh, because it sure as hell didn't get one! How many inquires do you need before you get the answer you want. Now back on track, Morrison lied so why are you sticking up for him? Next time don't try to highjack the thread Like everybody else on this forum, I AM entitled to my opinion.......you idiotic sack of crap!

Yeas of course you are.  But, I'd like to see some evidence that said opinion is grounded on a knowledge and recognition of (a) the facts (even if that might confront a personal political bias you may have) and (b) the basic principles of the Westminster system.

Aussie wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 3:08pm:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:59pm: John S wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:12pm: viewpoint wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:05pm: I suppose the Pink-Batts fiasco which caused the deaths of more than one, I think four, young installers didn't warrant a sacrificial lamb eh, because it sure as hell didn't get one! How many inquires do you need before you get the answer you want. Now back on track, Morrison lied so why are you sticking up for him? Next time don't try to highjack the thread Like everybody else on this forum, I AM entitled to my opinion.......you idiotic sack of crap! Yeas of course you are.  But, I'd like to see some evidence that said opinion is grounded on a knowledge and recognition of (a) the facts (even if that might confront a personal political bias you may have) and (b) the basic principles of the Westminster system.

We shall see what the "evidence" says when the matter is investigated........Your Honour........at the moment whatever you may think means sweet FA!

viewpoint wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 3:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 3:08pm: viewpoint wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:59pm: John S wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:12pm: viewpoint wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 2:05pm: I suppose the Pink-Batts fiasco which caused the deaths of more than one, I think four, young installers didn't warrant a sacrificial lamb eh, because it sure as hell didn't get one! How many inquires do you need before you get the answer you want. Now back on track, Morrison lied so why are you sticking up for him? Next time don't try to highjack the thread Like everybody else on this forum, I AM entitled to my opinion.......you idiotic sack of crap! Yeas of course you are.  But, I'd like to see some evidence that said opinion is grounded on a knowledge and recognition of (a) the facts (even if that might confront a personal political bias you may have) and (b) the basic principles of the Westminster system. We shall see what the "evidence" says when the matter is investigated........Your Honour........at the moment whatever you may think means sweet FA!

I'm satisfied already because Morrison confessed.  What he then failed to do was resign as he must under our (Westminster) system.

I don't believe that Morrison was given any report at all. He made up a story that would put the asylum seeker in the worst possible light, but it has come to notice that the asylum seeker was not outside of the camp and Morrison cannot guarantee the security of the detention centre or its detainees prisoners.

Morrison was asked today who he got the report from, he couldn't answer.

He's been caught out lying to cover up his department's inadequacies, he must stand down.

No journalists = no integrity.

stevieboy wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 3:49pm:

I don't believe that Morrison was given any report at all. He made up a story that would put the asylum seeker in the worst possible light, but it has come to notice that the asylum seeker was not outside of the camp and Morrison cannot guarantee the security of the detention centre or its detainees prisoners. Morrison was asked today who he got the report from, he couldn't answer. He's been caught out lying to cover up his department's inadequacies, he must stand down. No journalists = no integrity.

Have a look at the premature ejaculation the lies of Morrison brought on here at OzPol.

Click here.

I particularly liked the post made by some Dude about some bloke sitting under a coconut tree 'reporting,' in.

;)

Yes, Morriscum has clearly been caught out lying and must resign. His lie was no minor matter either!

Secondly, this moral vacuum, by ignoring all reports of conditions on Manus Is is responsible for the death of that AS there.

Since the simian has cast aside civilised concerns Morriscum can be sure a Labor govt in 2016 WILL dig into the shambles’ cabinet minutes and have the AFP arrest Morriscum. As yee sow so shall yee reap and all that. I hope to see Morriscum on trial for murder!

Morrison is a liar...by the standards Abbott demanded of the previous government both Abbott and Morrison must resign.

Unless of course Abbott has been nothing but a conman all along?

But it's not really about Morrison lying, is it? It's just some angle to spite Abbott and the Liberals with.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 9:29pm:

But it's not really about Morrison lying, is it? It's just some angle to spite Abbott and the Liberals with.

No, Misty.  It is about people lying, and if you are a Minister of the Crown, and you lie.......you have no place there.  You resign.  If you don't, then the PM sacks you.

That is the way it is supposed to happen.  It won't because, ipso facto, each of Morrison and Abbott are corrupt.

I am looking forward to what Turnbull says (or does not say) on the issue.

Okay. Sounds rad. Anyway, I am going to get a cup of tea.

Morrison resign...you must be kidding. :D :D
Possibly our best performing minister ever.

Interesting labor are supporting manus island as well.  Must be doing some polling out in suburbia where the "real" australians live.

Oh sure , if you did a phone poll at Hansen youngs dinner party, he might prove unpopular.  Thats about 8 people out of 25,000,000.

I presume some of the above posters must be regular guests of the dumb bitch.

At least she got one thing right, when she called labor spineless.  Talk about  trying to bet each way.
Labor started the place.

Green and labor logic.......Morrison will staying put exactly where he is , (unless he using an immigration dept credit card to buy hookers, pornos, smokes for his wife  etc etc) ;) ;)

The hypocrisy is awesome.


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Activist group GetUp organised the rallies and said hundreds more events were held in other cities and towns around the country, in what were also intended as protests against the Federal Government's asylum seeker policies.

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A solitary Muslim queue-jumping economic migrant gets killed as a boat-person, and we witness the cynical Lefties holding political vigils all across the country with demands to have the current policies changed, but when hundreds drowned under 6 years of Labor rule ... not a peep out of these cynical manipulators.

These cretins are all about eventually getting a version of Social-Marxism to sit prominently in our Canberra parliament. That's their real agenda.

They couldn't give a monkey's nuts about someone dying in a riot, except for using it as a vehicle for propagandising against those who wish to preserve our nation from becoming a holus-bolus international dumping ground for people whose religion is inimical to our own cultural heritage. 

adelcrow wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 4:14pm:

Morrison is a liar...by the standards Abbott demanded of the previous government both Abbott and Morrison must resign. Unless of course Abbott has been nothing but a conman all along?

If you run a business and I'm your accountant and I tell you the books are in great shape and you go out to tell your investors that, only to find out that wasn't true, are you the liar, or me?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:27am:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 4:14pm: Morrison is a liar...by the standards Abbott demanded of the previous government both Abbott and Morrison must resign. Unless of course Abbott has been nothing but a conman all along? If you run a business and I'm your accountant and I tell you the books are in great shape and you go out to tell your investors that, only to find out that wasn't true, are you the liar, or me?

So the business owner hired a dodgy accountant and ended up in a financial mess, who should ultimately take responsibility for the consequences of the misleading information?

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:23am:

The hypocrisy is awesome. Quote: Activist group GetUp organised the rallies and said hundreds more events were held in other cities and towns around the country, in what were also intended as protests against the Federal Government's asylum seeker policies. A solitary Muslim queue-jumping economic migrant gets killed as a boat-person, and we witness the cynical Lefties holding political vigils all across the country with demands to have the current policies changed, but when hundreds drowned under 6 years of Labor rule ... not a peep out of these cynical manipulators. These cretins are all about eventually getting a version of Social-Marxism to sit prominently in our Canberra parliament. That's their real agenda. They couldn't give a monkey's nuts about someone dying in a riot, except for using it as a vehicle for propagandising against those who wish to preserve our nation from becoming a holus-bolus international dumping ground for people whose religion is inimical to our own cultural heritage.

Indeed herbert.
As a patriot , i want to see australia improve its herd.
We should invite people here , in the same way one conducts a "job interview"

What skills can you bring, show me your resume, whats on your CV, are you going to be a contributor.
They should be on "parole" before they are granted citizenship.

I am NOT advocating a white australia policy.

I know a lebanese widow who single handedly has opened 4 coffee shops in brisbane and is a multi millionaire. I would invite motivated, hard working , entrepreneurial people.

i would try and get high tech dudes from east asia, and scandinavia.
you could offer incentives for the right people (as Morrison is providing disincentives for the wrong people).

A queue jumper , has, by definition, shown himself to be a bribing criminal who puts his/her own interests above those of others (ie , he is the sort of bloke who would have jumped on a life boat on the titanic, infront of others). We do not want these sort of people here. We do not want selfish people in OZ.  We have enough of those already who wish only to take from the system and not give back.

So lets do some character assessment and get some "cream" candidates to come here and make this country great.

As you say, the greens and get up seem like anarchist nihilists to me and about 80 % of the population of "real" australia.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:27am: adelcrow wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 4:14pm: Morrison is a liar...by the standards Abbott demanded of the previous government both Abbott and Morrison must resign. Unless of course Abbott has been nothing but a conman all along? If you run a business and I'm your accountant and I tell you the books are in great shape and you go out to tell your investors that, only to find out that wasn't true, are you the liar, or me? So the business owner hired a dodgy accountant and ended up in a financial mess, who should ultimately take responsibility for the consequences of the misleading information?

But you didn't know the accountant was dodgy when you hired him - he came with all the right references.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:50am:

As a patriot , i want to see australia improve its herd.

Improve its herd?

Are we all pigs to the 'patriot'?


aquascoot wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:50am:

A queue jumper , has, by definition, shown himself to be a bribing criminal who puts his/her own interests above those of others (ie , he is the sort of bloke who would have jumped on a life boat on the titanic, infront of others).

That definition for some might be a suitable analogy for 'entrepreneurial people', (Kerry Packer even) particularly if the net result is a successful business.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:58am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:45am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:27am: adelcrow wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 4:14pm: Morrison is a liar...by the standards Abbott demanded of the previous government both Abbott and Morrison must resign. Unless of course Abbott has been nothing but a conman all along? If you run a business and I'm your accountant and I tell you the books are in great shape and you go out to tell your investors that, only to find out that wasn't true, are you the liar, or me? So the business owner hired a dodgy accountant and ended up in a financial mess, who should ultimately take responsibility for the consequences of the misleading information? But you didn't know the accountant was dodgy when you hired him - he came with all the right references.

Absurd analogy.  Morrison is a Minister of the Crown with serious responsibilities when it comes to truth, especially the truth about the circumstances in which a vulnerable person in his care is killed.  It was his job not to open his mouth and make bold assertions of fact unless he had made absolutely certain that what he was saying was the truth.

Aussie wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:03am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:58am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:45am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:27am: adelcrow wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 4:14pm: Morrison is a liar...by the standards Abbott demanded of the previous government both Abbott and Morrison must resign. Unless of course Abbott has been nothing but a conman all along? If you run a business and I'm your accountant and I tell you the books are in great shape and you go out to tell your investors that, only to find out that wasn't true, are you the liar, or me? So the business owner hired a dodgy accountant and ended up in a financial mess, who should ultimately take responsibility for the consequences of the misleading information? But you didn't know the accountant was dodgy when you hired him - he came with all the right references. Absurd analogy.  Morrison is a Minister of the Crown with serious responsibilities when it comes to truth, especially the truth about the circumstances in which a vulnerable person in his care is killed.  It was his job not to open his mouth and make bold assertions of fact unless he had made absolutely certain that what he was saying was the truth.

If he'd done that, you idiots would accuse him of secrecy and cover-ups. He can't win either way with you lot.

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If he'd done that, you idiots would accuse him of secrecy and cover-ups. He can't win either way with you lot.

Not true.

All he had to say was that "a person has died and I am now investigating the circumstances surrounding that death.  The situation is presently unclear and as soon as I am able to verify basic facts, I will make a candid statement setting those facts out."

Everyone would accept that.  But instead, he said as a matter of established fact,  the person was injured outside the centre and he went even further by implying that because the person was out of the centre, he had brought about his own demise.  He was almost arrogant about that.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:08am:

If he'd done that, you idiots would accuse him of secrecy and cover-ups. He can't win either way with you lot.

Wasn't silence his preferred option up till now with regard to asylum seekers?

Now, he's headed toward a 'children overboard' PR disaster...

He's proving he may be too ready to jump to a (dog whistling) conclusion.

Most here know I'm no fan of the Libs, but the posturing over this issue, from Labor, and the Greens, has been truly revolting.
I saw the new Labor guy trying to remember his script on the issue this morning, which left him looking unfit to criticise anyone else's ability or integrity.
While the Greens holding up photos of the dead man, with his name on them, in some attempt to declare him a martyr that the public rallies around, was even more sickening.

Greens claiming a moral high ground, is severely jeopardised when they run sensationalist stunts over individual deaths.
It's nearly as disturbing as all the bigoted Lib supporters pretending they only wanted to stop the boats to preserve lives at sea. Disingenuous hypocrites, the lot of 'em.

mozzaok wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

Most here know I'm no fan of the Libs, but the posturing over this issue, from Labor, and the Greens, has been truly revolting. I saw the new Labor guy trying to remember his script on the issue this morning, which left him looking unfit to criticise anyone else's ability or integrity. While the Greens holding up photos of the dead man, with his name on them, in some attempt to declare him a martyr that the public rallies around, was even more sickening. Greens claiming a moral high ground, is severely jeopardised when they run sensationalist stunts over individual deaths. It's nearly as disturbing as all the bigoted Lib supporters pretending they only wanted to stop the boats to preserve lives at sea. Disingenuous hypocrites, the lot of 'em.

Do you believe Morrison ought resign, as is the usual expectation and outcome in precisely these circumstances under the Westminster System?

Aussie wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:27am:

mozzaok wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:25am: Most here know I'm no fan of the Libs, but the posturing over this issue, from Labor, and the Greens, has been truly revolting. I saw the new Labor guy trying to remember his script on the issue this morning, which left him looking unfit to criticise anyone else's ability or integrity. While the Greens holding up photos of the dead man, with his name on them, in some attempt to declare him a martyr that the public rallies around, was even more sickening. Greens claiming a moral high ground, is severely jeopardised when they run sensationalist stunts over individual deaths. It's nearly as disturbing as all the bigoted Lib supporters pretending they only wanted to stop the boats to preserve lives at sea. Disingenuous hypocrites, the lot of 'em. Do you believe Morrison ought resign, as is the usual expectation and outcome in precisely these circumstances under the Westminster System?

I'd like them ALL to resign.

But in answer to your question, I would not expect, or wish to see Morrison resign, unless it were demonstrated that the knowingly, and willfully misled the parliament.
Plenty of 'em have done that in their time, without resigning, so precedence is rather split on this issue, where it is mostly dependent upon fear of political backlash, rather than any sense of moral decency, or such.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:59am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:50am: As a patriot , i want to see australia improve its herd. Improve its herd? Are we all pigs to the 'patriot'? aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:50am: A queue jumper , has, by definition, shown himself to be a bribing criminal who puts his/her own interests above those of others (ie , he is the sort of bloke who would have jumped on a life boat on the titanic, infront of others). That definition for some might be a suitable analogy for 'entrepreneurial people', (Kerry Packer even) particularly if the net result is a successful business.

Its the economy.
Hockey and the asians say we need to go for 3 % growth.
Get Up and the Greens want to sit at the table and enjoy the growth , but they dont want to do anything to contribute to it.
Smart countries know that this sort of growth only comes by improving the "people"  improving the "herd"
We can go the home grown route and we should but we need some "high end multi cultutalism"
Id throw open the welcome map to anyone from any country with the ability to convince a panel at the immigration department that they have the grit, guts, determination , drive and work ethic to be successful
I like indians (they speak english), asians (they work hard) and scandinavians ( they are smart)
Football clubs have talent scouts out searching for talent.
The immigration dept should be active in silicon valley, beijing, copenhagen and stockholm. they should be actively recruiting.

Not pigs.....Winners ;) ;)

Aussie wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:03am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:58am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:45am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:27am: adelcrow wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 4:14pm: Morrison is a liar...by the standards Abbott demanded of the previous government both Abbott and Morrison must resign. Unless of course Abbott has been nothing but a conman all along? If you run a business and I'm your accountant and I tell you the books are in great shape and you go out to tell your investors that, only to find out that wasn't true, are you the liar, or me? So the business owner hired a dodgy accountant and ended up in a financial mess, who should ultimately take responsibility for the consequences of the misleading information? But you didn't know the accountant was dodgy when you hired him - he came with all the right references. Absurd analogy.  Morrison is a Minister of the Crown with serious responsibilities when it comes to truth, especially the truth about the circumstances in which a vulnerable person in his care is killed.  It was his job not to open his mouth and make bold assertions of fact unless he had made absolutely certain that what he was saying was the truth.

But haven't you and the other dolts been whining about Scott Morrison keeping you out of the loop Ozzie? You want the details as quickly as possible, and now you want it 100% accurate as well. Either you want accuracy or speed......which is it to be dipstick, if you want the news as it comes in then you have to be content with what is communicated at the time, accurate or not?

Now can you stop your whinging like that old goat Milne and Fishmouth Bowen, and just wait for information to be verified before spouting your fake and illogical concern.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:50am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:59am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:50am: As a patriot , i want to see australia improve its herd. Improve its herd? Are we all pigs to the 'patriot'? aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:50am: A queue jumper , has, by definition, shown himself to be a bribing criminal who puts his/her own interests above those of others (ie , he is the sort of bloke who would have jumped on a life boat on the titanic, infront of others). That definition for some might be a suitable analogy for 'entrepreneurial people', (Kerry Packer even) particularly if the net result is a successful business. Its the economy. Hockey and the asians say we need to go for 3 % growth. Get Up and the Greens want to sit at the table and enjoy the growth , but they dont want to do anything to contribute to it. Smart countries know that this sort of growth only comes by improving the "people"  improving the "herd" We can go the home grown route and we should but we need some "high end multi cultutalism" Id throw open the welcome map to anyone from any country with the ability to convince a panel at the immigration department that they have the grit, guts, determination , drive and work ethic to be successful I like indians (they speak english), asians (they work hard) and scandinavians ( they are smart) Football clubs have talent scouts out searching for talent. The immigration dept should be active in silicon valley, beijing, copenhagen and stockholm. they should be actively recruiting. Not pigs.....Winners ;) ;)

You imagine that there's an embarrassment of riches with regard to geniuses all bashing down Australia's door to get in... Maybe the Indian, Asian and Scandinavian( ??? What? No German?) geniuses are bashing down America's door to get in.

And, by the way, your post denigrates our 'cultural credit card holders' - the convict (and probably about 80% of 19th century immigrants) who came to Australia poor and illiterate and, not necessarily, with the capacity to work their fingers to the bone to become rich.

Maybe you also denigrate the tens of thousands of (white) immigrants arriving during the 20th century.

Your Post... Animal Farm, much? Or maybe 1984?

There was no riot. ASs were dragged out from where they were hiding and beaten.

Scrot Morriscum should have said “I am advised. . .” He obviously was not so advised and lied.

Under the Westminster tradition of Ministerial Responsibility his only course now is to resign.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 9:09am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:50am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:59am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:50am: As a patriot , i want to see australia improve its herd. Improve its herd? Are we all pigs to the 'patriot'? aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:50am: A queue jumper , has, by definition, shown himself to be a bribing criminal who puts his/her own interests above those of others (ie , he is the sort of bloke who would have jumped on a life boat on the titanic, infront of others). That definition for some might be a suitable analogy for 'entrepreneurial people', (Kerry Packer even) particularly if the net result is a successful business. Its the economy. Hockey and the asians say we need to go for 3 % growth. Get Up and the Greens want to sit at the table and enjoy the growth , but they dont want to do anything to contribute to it. Smart countries know that this sort of growth only comes by improving the "people"  improving the "herd" We can go the home grown route and we should but we need some "high end multi cultutalism" Id throw open the welcome map to anyone from any country with the ability to convince a panel at the immigration department that they have the grit, guts, determination , drive and work ethic to be successful I like indians (they speak english), asians (they work hard) and scandinavians ( they are smart) Football clubs have talent scouts out searching for talent. The immigration dept should be active in silicon valley, beijing, copenhagen and stockholm. they should be actively recruiting. Not pigs.....Winners ;) ;) You imagine that there's an embarrassment of riches with regard to geniuses all bashing down Australia's door to get in... Maybe the Indian, Asian and Scandinavian( ??? What? No German?) geniuses are bashing down America's door to get in. And, by the way, your post denigrates our 'cultural credit card holders' - the convict (and probably about 80% of 19th century immigrants) who came to Australia poor and illiterate and, not necessarily, with the capacity to work their fingers to the bone to become rich. Maybe you also denigrate the tens of thousands of (white) immigrants arriving during the 20th century. Your Post... Animal Farm, much? Or maybe 1984?

America has always been very welcoming to Ph D holders from all over the world to come work in silicon valley.
Down in Texas, they have citizens militia riding the boundaries at night to keep out the people who dont have Ph D's.

The Labor government under beattie bligh employed over 400 doctors to run the hospitals. talent stolen from thrid world countries.  "Get up " didnt seem to care 2 hoots.
I am advocating trying to attract talent from the richest end of town.

i do believe bob hawke introduced a scheme where migrants could come from asia if they were accompanied by a $1,000,000 bank account.

Brave new world , animal farm, much  from the lefties  ;) ;)

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

There was no riot. ASs were dragged out from where they were hiding and beaten. Scrot Morriscum should have said “I am advised. . .” He obviously was not so advised and lied. Under the Westminster tradition of Ministerial Responsibility his only course now is to resign.

Morrison was not there, so I think we can safely say it is implied that he is advised of events that occurred there. If you can't comprehend that, there's no hope for you...

Made a statement, corrected it.

So smacking what….

Maybe he was just misinformed?

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 9:25am:

Down in Texas, they have citizens militia riding the boundaries at night to keep out the people who dont have Ph D's.

Yes, they're good at that in the South...

citizens militia, eh? In the old days they called them lynch mobs.

BTW these lynch mobs 'citizens militia' are there to keep out 'non-whites'.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:27am:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 4:14pm: Morrison is a liar...by the standards Abbott demanded of the previous government both Abbott and Morrison must resign. Unless of course Abbott has been nothing but a conman all along? If you run a business and I'm your accountant and I tell you the books are in great shape and you go out to tell your investors that, only to find out that wasn't true, are you the liar, or me?

False analogy.

Businesses are governed by corporations law. Morrison is not.

Bam wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 10:01am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:27am: adelcrow wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 4:14pm: Morrison is a liar...by the standards Abbott demanded of the previous government both Abbott and Morrison must resign. Unless of course Abbott has been nothing but a conman all along? If you run a business and I'm your accountant and I tell you the books are in great shape and you go out to tell your investors that, only to find out that wasn't true, are you the liar, or me? False analogy. Businesses are governed by corporations law. Morrison is not.

Gawd, you're dense!  ::)

Bobby. wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 9:44am:

Maybe he was just misinformed?

This is my thought too.

I am not convinced that Morrison lied. For there to be a lie, there has to be (1) knowledge of the truth, and (2) an intent to deceive. Morrison was most likely misinformed. He was sloppy with the facts, but so far as I can tell he did not actually set out to deceive. Had he intended to deceive, he wouldn't have issued the correction.

The "lie" allegation is thrown around too freely.

Bam wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 10:18am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:44am: Maybe he was just misinformed? This is my thought too. I am not convinced that Morrison lied. For there to be a lie, there has to be (1) knowledge of the truth, and (2) an intent to deceive. Morrison was most likely misinformed. He was sloppy with the facts, but so far as I can tell he did not actually set out to deceive. Had he intended to deceive, he wouldn't have issued the correction. The "lie" allegation is thrown around too freely.

His first mistake - big deal...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 10:03am:

Bam wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 10:01am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:27am: adelcrow wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 4:14pm: Morrison is a liar...by the standards Abbott demanded of the previous government both Abbott and Morrison must resign. Unless of course Abbott has been nothing but a conman all along? If you run a business and I'm your accountant and I tell you the books are in great shape and you go out to tell your investors that, only to find out that wasn't true, are you the liar, or me? False analogy. Businesses are governed by corporations law. Morrison is not. Gawd, you're dense!  ::)

Your logical fallacy is ad hominem

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You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument. Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

Bam wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 10:18am: Bobby. wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:44am: Maybe he was just misinformed? This is my thought too. I am not convinced that Morrison lied. For there to be a lie, there has to be (1) knowledge of the truth, and (2) an intent to deceive. Morrison was most likely misinformed. He was sloppy with the facts, but so far as I can tell he did not actually set out to deceive. Had he intended to deceive, he wouldn't have issued the correction. The "lie" allegation is thrown around too freely. His first mistake - big deal...

Gillard only made one "mistake" too. She lost her job as PM. Should Morrison keep his job for one mistake when Gillard lost hers?

Bam wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 10:18am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:44am: Maybe he was just misinformed? This is my thought too. I am not convinced that Morrison lied. For there to be a lie, there has to be (1) knowledge of the truth, and (2) an intent to deceive. Morrison was most likely misinformed. He was sloppy with the facts, but so far as I can tell he did not actually set out to deceive. Had he intended to deceive, he wouldn't have issued the correction. The "lie" allegation is thrown around too freely.

Yes - he was misinformed & the murderer will probably never be caught.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

Bam wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 10:18am: Bobby. wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:44am: Maybe he was just misinformed? This is my thought too. I am not convinced that Morrison lied. For there to be a lie, there has to be (1) knowledge of the truth, and (2) an intent to deceive. Morrison was most likely misinformed. He was sloppy with the facts, but so far as I can tell he did not actually set out to deceive. Had he intended to deceive, he wouldn't have issued the correction. The "lie" allegation is thrown around too freely. His first mistake - big deal...

No, his first mistake was going into politics.

As has just about everything he's done since been a mistake.

Your mistake was in voting for and supporting him.

After a few words, my typing doesn't appear on his comment--

Anyway his advice to "sack Morrison"

Scott hadn't started the rioting in Manus Island - Not being Superman, he wasn't there and had to depend on those information of others who (no doubt) weren't there either.

Good sense would dictate that the staff at the detention centre wouldn't have started anything and if only one was killed, the agitators should count their blessings.

During years of Labor, thousands had drowned at sea and not even Sara (mis-justice) Hanson Young wept a tear for the many children who'd been fed to sharks under LABOR'S WATCH.

Shut up, the wise one!

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olde.sault wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 9:01am:

After a few words, my typing doesn't appear on his comment-- Anyway his advice to "sack Morrison" Scott hadn't started the rioting in Manus Island - Not being Superman, he wasn't there and had to depend on those information of others who (no doubt) weren't there either. Good sense would dictate that the staff at the detention centre wouldn't have started anything and if only one was killed, the agitators should count their blessings. During years of Labor, thousands had drowned at sea and not even Sara (mis-justice) Hanson Young wept a tear for the many children who'd been fed to sharks under LABOR'S WATCH. Shut up, the wise one!

I don't know what the problem was there, But your comment has now made it, to where you wanted it to go!

I dont think he lied.  He made a statement based on the information he had, then when more information became avaliable he released another statement.

Its called releasing facts as they become known.  Some people need to get a grip.

Verge wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

I dont think he lied.  He made a statement based on the information he had, then when more information became avaliable he released another statement. Its called releasing facts as they become known.  Some people need to get a grip.

Hear Hear!

olde.sault wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 9:01am:

After a few words, my typing doesn't appear on his comment-- Anyway his advice to "sack Morrison" Scott hadn't started the rioting in Manus Island - Not being Superman, he wasn't there and had to depend on those information of others who (no doubt) weren't there either. Good sense would dictate that the staff at the detention centre wouldn't have started anything and if only one was killed, the agitators should count their blessings. The person that was killed in the riots was in detention under control of the Australia Government. The government had duty of care to make sure he wasn't hurt, killed, same as you are in society During years of Labor, thousands had drowned at sea and not even Sara (mis-justice) Hanson Young wept a tear for the many children who'd been fed to sharks under LABOR'S WATCH. Any one that drown were they under the care of the government. Did anyone representing the government boarded the boat before they drown Shut up, the wise one!

Now put yourself in Asylum Seekers shoes and you want to flee your country because you can get kill for just walking down the street, or daughters could get raped and get stone to death for reporting it, or daughters can't get a education, you and your daughters are treated as second class citizens.

Now what would do would you stop there with your family or would you want to leave anyway you can with your family.

John S wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

olde.sault wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:01am: After a few words, my typing doesn't appear on his comment-- Anyway his advice to "sack Morrison" Scott hadn't started the rioting in Manus Island - Not being Superman, he wasn't there and had to depend on those information of others who (no doubt) weren't there either. Good sense would dictate that the staff at the detention centre wouldn't have started anything and if only one was killed, the agitators should count their blessings. The person that was killed in the riots was in detention under control of the Australia Government. The government had duty of care to make sure he wasn't hurt, killed, same as you are in society During years of Labor, thousands had drowned at sea and not even Sara (mis-justice) Hanson Young wept a tear for the many children who'd been fed to sharks under LABOR'S WATCH. Any one that drown were they under the care of the government. Did anyone representing the government boarded the boat before they drown Shut up, the wise one! Now put yourself in Asylum Seekers shoes and you want to flee your country because you can get kill for just walking down the street, or daughters could get raped and get stone to death for reporting it, or daughters can't get a education, you and your daughters are treated as second class citizens. Now what would do would you stop there with your family or would you want to leave anyway you can with your family.

(A) No one forced him onto the boat, and

(B) The government did not start the riot, detainees did.

The government has a duty of care.  The problem is when that duty of care becomes compromised due to the actions of those they are required to protect. 

Rights and responsibility.  It cuts both ways.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 11:49am:

John S wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 11:30am: olde.sault wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:01am: After a few words, my typing doesn't appear on his comment-- Anyway his advice to "sack Morrison" Scott hadn't started the rioting in Manus Island - Not being Superman, he wasn't there and had to depend on those information of others who (no doubt) weren't there either. Good sense would dictate that the staff at the detention centre wouldn't have started anything and if only one was killed, the agitators should count their blessings. The person that was killed in the riots was in detention under control of the Australia Government. The government had duty of care to make sure he wasn't hurt, killed, same as you are in society During years of Labor, thousands had drowned at sea and not even Sara (mis-justice) Hanson Young wept a tear for the many children who'd been fed to sharks under LABOR'S WATCH. Any one that drown were they under the care of the government. Did anyone representing the government boarded the boat before they drown Shut up, the wise one! Now put yourself in Asylum Seekers shoes and you want to flee your country because you can get kill for just walking down the street, or daughters could get raped and get stone to death for reporting it, or daughters can't get a education, you and your daughters are treated as second class citizens. Now what would do would you stop there with your family or would you want to leave anyway you can with your family. (A) No one forced him onto the boat, and (B) The government did not start the riot, detainees did.

(A) No one forced them into the roof cavities or to use metal staples

(B) The Government did not cause the deaths, the Business owners did.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 11:49am:

John S wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 11:30am: olde.sault wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:01am: After a few words, my typing doesn't appear on his comment-- Anyway his advice to "sack Morrison" Scott hadn't started the rioting in Manus Island - Not being Superman, he wasn't there and had to depend on those information of others who (no doubt) weren't there either. Good sense would dictate that the staff at the detention centre wouldn't have started anything and if only one was killed, the agitators should count their blessings. The person that was killed in the riots was in detention under control of the Australia Government. The government had duty of care to make sure he wasn't hurt, killed, same as you are in society During years of Labor, thousands had drowned at sea and not even Sara (mis-justice) Hanson Young wept a tear for the many children who'd been fed to sharks under LABOR'S WATCH. Any one that drown were they under the care of the government. Did anyone representing the government boarded the boat before they drown Shut up, the wise one! Now put yourself in Asylum Seekers shoes and you want to flee your country because you can get kill for just walking down the street, or daughters could get raped and get stone to death for reporting it, or daughters can't get a education, you and your daughters are treated as second class citizens. Now what would do would you stop there with your family or would you want to leave anyway you can with your family. (A) No one forced him onto the boat, and (B) The government did not start the riot, detainees did.

If detainees started the riots do you know why they started them

The sadist must quit.  What an absolute disgrace of a mammal.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:06pm:

The sadist must quit.  What an absolute disgrace of a mammal.

Why must he quit?  Because he made a statement last week based on information supplied to him that at that time wasnt correct.  A matter which he has since corrected?

Or are you hoping that if he quits its easier for people to mount a case to dismantle the current arrangements?

Verge wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:14pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:06pm: The sadist must quit.  What an absolute disgrace of a mammal. Why must he quit?  Because he made a statement last week based on information supplied to him that at that time wasnt correct.  A matter which he has since corrected? Or are you hoping that if he quits its easier for people to mount a case to dismantle the current arrangements?

The current arrangements that completely disregard our obligations you mean? Sure, I want them dismantled.  They are against the refugee convention (despite what one might think of it) that we have signed up to, and if any other country had the balls, they'd take us to international courts and win.

But I don't want him to quit because I disagree with the policies of ALL parties in their entirety. And I doubt him quitting will change much with regard to government policy. No, I want him to quit because he remarks last week re: Indian who committed suicide, and his quick attempts to lay blame in this case, show him to be a sociopath.  No one needs a sociopath in such a contentious area.  Let him look after the ministry for... tea leaves. But don't let him anywhere near a portfolio that involves human life.

And you know very well that the buck stops with him. Prior to giving us the LIMITED INFORMATION he does, he needs to  make sure it is accurate and adequate.  Witnesses the very next day contradicted his initial statements. That tells me he didn't really care what information he was providing, as long as it instigated the typical "Oh but they rioted it's their fault" debate.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

Verge wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:06pm: The sadist must quit.  What an absolute disgrace of a mammal. Why must he quit?  Because he made a statement last week based on information supplied to him that at that time wasnt correct.  A matter which he has since corrected? Or are you hoping that if he quits its easier for people to mount a case to dismantle the current arrangements? The current arrangements that completely disregard our obligations you mean? Sure, I want them dismantled.  They are against the refugee convention (despite what one might think of it) that we have signed up to, and if any other country had the balls, they'd take us to international courts and win. But I don't want him to quit because I disagree with the policies of ALL parties in their entirety. And I doubt him quitting will change much with regard to government policy. No, I want him to quit because he remarks last week re: Indian who committed suicide, and his quick attempts to lay blame in this case, show him to be a sociopath.  No one needs a sociopath in such a contentious area.  Let him look after the ministry for... tea leaves. But don't let him anywhere near a portfolio that involves human beings.

So if Morrison does a backflip and the deaths start back up what will you think then?

Sparky wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:21pm: Verge wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:06pm: The sadist must quit.  What an absolute disgrace of a mammal. Why must he quit?  Because he made a statement last week based on information supplied to him that at that time wasnt correct.  A matter which he has since corrected? Or are you hoping that if he quits its easier for people to mount a case to dismantle the current arrangements? The current arrangements that completely disregard our obligations you mean? Sure, I want them dismantled.  They are against the refugee convention (despite what one might think of it) that we have signed up to, and if any other country had the balls, they'd take us to international courts and win. But I don't want him to quit because I disagree with the policies of ALL parties in their entirety. And I doubt him quitting will change much with regard to government policy. No, I want him to quit because he remarks last week re: Indian who committed suicide, and his quick attempts to lay blame in this case, show him to be a sociopath.  No one needs a sociopath in such a contentious area.  Let him look after the ministry for... tea leaves. But don't let him anywhere near a portfolio that involves human beings. So if Morrison does a backflip and the deaths start back up what will you think then?

Who said I'm expecting him to do a back flip? I'm expecting him to quit.  I fully expect the government however to keep to its moronic, internationally illegal, policy.

And the deaths haven't ended. They continue in our detention centres on a constant basis.  Not to mention that the sadists potentially put people back into vulnerable situations, all to keep the xenophobes calm.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:24pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:23pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:21pm: Verge wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:06pm: The sadist must quit.  What an absolute disgrace of a mammal. Why must he quit?  Because he made a statement last week based on information supplied to him that at that time wasnt correct.  A matter which he has since corrected? Or are you hoping that if he quits its easier for people to mount a case to dismantle the current arrangements? The current arrangements that completely disregard our obligations you mean? Sure, I want them dismantled.  They are against the refugee convention (despite what one might think of it) that we have signed up to, and if any other country had the balls, they'd take us to international courts and win. But I don't want him to quit because I disagree with the policies of ALL parties in their entirety. And I doubt him quitting will change much with regard to government policy. No, I want him to quit because he remarks last week re: Indian who committed suicide, and his quick attempts to lay blame in this case, show him to be a sociopath.  No one needs a sociopath in such a contentious area.  Let him look after the ministry for... tea leaves. But don't let him anywhere near a portfolio that involves human beings. So if Morrison does a backflip and the deaths start back up what will you think then? Who said I'm expecting him to do a back flip? I'm expecting him to quit.  I fully expect the government however to keep to its moronic, internationally illegal, policy. And the deaths haven't ended. They continue in our detention centres on a constant basis.  Not to mention that the sadists potentially put people back into vulnerable situations, all to keep the xenophobes calm.

You do realise that the reason the boats have stopped is because refugees aren't being settled in Australia. If he does what you and those candle burners want the whole mess will start up again. This must be what you all want. You are all confusing me. I think you don't care how many people die just as long as we get refugees. It sure looks that way.

Sparky wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:24pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:23pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:21pm: Verge wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:06pm: The sadist must quit.  What an absolute disgrace of a mammal. Why must he quit?  Because he made a statement last week based on information supplied to him that at that time wasnt correct.  A matter which he has since corrected? Or are you hoping that if he quits its easier for people to mount a case to dismantle the current arrangements? The current arrangements that completely disregard our obligations you mean? Sure, I want them dismantled.  They are against the refugee convention (despite what one might think of it) that we have signed up to, and if any other country had the balls, they'd take us to international courts and win. But I don't want him to quit because I disagree with the policies of ALL parties in their entirety. And I doubt him quitting will change much with regard to government policy. No, I want him to quit because he remarks last week re: Indian who committed suicide, and his quick attempts to lay blame in this case, show him to be a sociopath.  No one needs a sociopath in such a contentious area.  Let him look after the ministry for... tea leaves. But don't let him anywhere near a portfolio that involves human beings. So if Morrison does a backflip and the deaths start back up what will you think then? Who said I'm expecting him to do a back flip? I'm expecting him to quit.  I fully expect the government however to keep to its moronic, internationally illegal, policy. And the deaths haven't ended. They continue in our detention centres on a constant basis.  Not to mention that the sadists potentially put people back into vulnerable situations, all to keep the xenophobes calm. You do realise that the reason the boats have stopped is because refugees aren't being settled in Australia. If he does what you and those candle burners want the whole mess will start up again. This must be what you all want. You are all confusing me. I think you don't care how many people die just as long as we get refugees. It sure looks that way.

You don't read very well, do you.

Let's just kill people instead of do what we are obligated to do , by conventions we sign up to.  Typical crazy.

Verge wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:14pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:06pm: The sadist must quit.  What an absolute disgrace of a mammal. Why must he quit?  Because he made a statement last week based on information supplied to him that at that time wasnt correct.  A matter which he has since corrected? Or are you hoping that if he quits its easier for people to mount a case to dismantle the current arrangements?

I think THIS sums up why he should go


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In his first press conference last Tuesday following the killing of Reza Berati on Manus Island, Morrison saw in Berati’s death — which, he acknowledged, was a tragedy — an opportunity to criticise asylum seekers. Berati had “put himself at risk” by leaving the detention centre, Morrison explained:     “[T]his was a very dangerous situation where people decided to protest in a very violent way and to take themselves outside the centre and place themselves at great risk. In those situations our security people need to undertake the tasks that they need to undertake to restore the facility to a place of safety, and equally those who are maintaining the safety of the security environment outside the centre need to use their powers and various accoutrements that they have available to them in order to restore in the way that is provided for under PNG law.” For Morrison, the death of Berati was a salutary lesson, a sort of Aesop’s Fable for detainees — don’t leave the centre or you’ll be dealt with “in the way that is provided for under PNG law”.

Simply he choose to try & make political capital out of the death

He knew his Tuesday AM statements were wrong by Tuesday PM


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But the story began unravelling within hours. At a second media conference late on Tuesday afternoon, he admitted under questioning from journalists — not in his opening statement — that Berati might not have been killed outside the detention centre, saying “where physically this took place based on the information I have received this afternoon, that is a matter where there are some conflicting reports”.     Journalist: What are the conflicting reports?     Morrison: Well, the reports are conflicting on where the individual might have been at the time.     Journalist: Either inside or outside.     Morrison: I am saying that there are conflicting reports …

Yet it took until yesterday to admit his mistake.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:35pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:32pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:24pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:23pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:21pm: Verge wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:06pm: The sadist must quit.  What an absolute disgrace of a mammal. Why must he quit?  Because he made a statement last week based on information supplied to him that at that time wasnt correct.  A matter which he has since corrected? Or are you hoping that if he quits its easier for people to mount a case to dismantle the current arrangements? The current arrangements that completely disregard our obligations you mean? Sure, I want them dismantled.  They are against the refugee convention (despite what one might think of it) that we have signed up to, and if any other country had the balls, they'd take us to international courts and win. But I don't want him to quit because I disagree with the policies of ALL parties in their entirety. And I doubt him quitting will change much with regard to government policy. No, I want him to quit because he remarks last week re: Indian who committed suicide, and his quick attempts to lay blame in this case, show him to be a sociopath.  No one needs a sociopath in such a contentious area.  Let him look after the ministry for... tea leaves. But don't let him anywhere near a portfolio that involves human beings. So if Morrison does a backflip and the deaths start back up what will you think then? Who said I'm expecting him to do a back flip? I'm expecting him to quit.  I fully expect the government however to keep to its moronic, internationally illegal, policy. And the deaths haven't ended. They continue in our detention centres on a constant basis.  Not to mention that the sadists potentially put people back into vulnerable situations, all to keep the xenophobes calm. You do realise that the reason the boats have stopped is because refugees aren't being settled in Australia. If he does what you and those candle burners want the whole mess will start up again. This must be what you all want. You are all confusing me. I think you don't care how many people die just as long as we get refugees. It sure looks that way. You don't read very well, do you. Let's just kill people instead of do what we are obligated to do , by conventions we sign up to.  Typical crazy.

you don't think very well. Do you want one death or a thousand. It's pretty simple.

Sparky wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

you don't think very well. Do you want one death or a thousand. It's pretty simple.

0 isn't an option?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:38pm: you don't think very well. Do you want one death or a thousand. It's pretty simple. 0 isn't an option?

Nope.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:35pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:32pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:24pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:23pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:21pm: Verge wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:06pm: The sadist must quit.  What an absolute disgrace of a mammal. Why must he quit?  Because he made a statement last week based on information supplied to him that at that time wasnt correct.  A matter which he has since corrected? Or are you hoping that if he quits its easier for people to mount a case to dismantle the current arrangements? The current arrangements that completely disregard our obligations you mean? Sure, I want them dismantled.  They are against the refugee convention (despite what one might think of it) that we have signed up to, and if any other country had the balls, they'd take us to international courts and win. But I don't want him to quit because I disagree with the policies of ALL parties in their entirety. And I doubt him quitting will change much with regard to government policy. No, I want him to quit because he remarks last week re: Indian who committed suicide, and his quick attempts to lay blame in this case, show him to be a sociopath.  No one needs a sociopath in such a contentious area.  Let him look after the ministry for... tea leaves. But don't let him anywhere near a portfolio that involves human beings. So if Morrison does a backflip and the deaths start back up what will you think then? Who said I'm expecting him to do a back flip? I'm expecting him to quit.  I fully expect the government however to keep to its moronic, internationally illegal, policy. And the deaths haven't ended. They continue in our detention centres on a constant basis.  Not to mention that the sadists potentially put people back into vulnerable situations, all to keep the xenophobes calm. You do realise that the reason the boats have stopped is because refugees aren't being settled in Australia. If he does what you and those candle burners want the whole mess will start up again. This must be what you all want. You are all confusing me. I think you don't care how many people die just as long as we get refugees. It sure looks that way. You don't read very well, do you. Let's just kill people instead of do what we are obligated to do , by conventions we sign up to.  Typical crazy.

you got a dog alvine?
for the cost of feeding that dog, you could save 2 starving african kids.
Why you killing people alvine,  typical crazy

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:35pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:32pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:24pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:23pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:21pm: Verge wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:14pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:06pm: The sadist must quit.  What an absolute disgrace of a mammal. Why must he quit?  Because he made a statement last week based on information supplied to him that at that time wasnt correct.  A matter which he has since corrected? Or are you hoping that if he quits its easier for people to mount a case to dismantle the current arrangements? The current arrangements that completely disregard our obligations you mean? Sure, I want them dismantled.  They are against the refugee convention (despite what one might think of it) that we have signed up to, and if any other country had the balls, they'd take us to international courts and win. But I don't want him to quit because I disagree with the policies of ALL parties in their entirety. And I doubt him quitting will change much with regard to government policy. No, I want him to quit because he remarks last week re: Indian who committed suicide, and his quick attempts to lay blame in this case, show him to be a sociopath.  No one needs a sociopath in such a contentious area.  Let him look after the ministry for... tea leaves. But don't let him anywhere near a portfolio that involves human beings. So if Morrison does a backflip and the deaths start back up what will you think then? Who said I'm expecting him to do a back flip? I'm expecting him to quit.  I fully expect the government however to keep to its moronic, internationally illegal, policy. And the deaths haven't ended. They continue in our detention centres on a constant basis.  Not to mention that the sadists potentially put people back into vulnerable situations, all to keep the xenophobes calm. You do realise that the reason the boats have stopped is because refugees aren't being settled in Australia. If he does what you and those candle burners want the whole mess will start up again. This must be what you all want. You are all confusing me. I think you don't care how many people die just as long as we get refugees. It sure looks that way. You don't read very well, do you. Let's just kill people instead of do what we are obligated to do , by conventions we sign up to.  Typical crazy. you got a dog alvine? for the cost of feeding that dog, you could save 2 starving african kids. Why you killing people alvine,  typical crazy

no, I don't have a dog.
next?

drink take away coffee?. $4 a cup give it up and save some lives.
you crazy ;)

Aquascoot and Sparky say you're guilty of murder, Alevine. How do you plead?

viewpoint wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 9:05am:

Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:03am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:58am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:45am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:27am: adelcrow wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 4:14pm: Morrison is a liar...by the standards Abbott demanded of the previous government both Abbott and Morrison must resign. Unless of course Abbott has been nothing but a conman all along? If you run a business and I'm your accountant and I tell you the books are in great shape and you go out to tell your investors that, only to find out that wasn't true, are you the liar, or me? So the business owner hired a dodgy accountant and ended up in a financial mess, who should ultimately take responsibility for the consequences of the misleading information? But you didn't know the accountant was dodgy when you hired him - he came with all the right references. Absurd analogy.  Morrison is a Minister of the Crown with serious responsibilities when it comes to truth, especially the truth about the circumstances in which a vulnerable person in his care is killed.  It was his job not to open his mouth and make bold assertions of fact unless he had made absolutely certain that what he was saying was the truth. But haven't you and the other dolts been whining about Scott Morrison keeping you out of the loop Ozzie? You want the details as quickly as possible, and now you want it 100% accurate as well. Either you want accuracy or speed......which is it to be dipstick, if you want the news as it comes in then you have to be content with what is communicated at the time, accurate or not? Now can you stop your whinging like that old goat Milne and Fishmouth Bowen, and just wait for information to be verified before spouting your fake and illogical concern.

I want both.  I want to be 100% confident that when a Minister of the Crown outlines facts that I can believe him without reservation.  It would be entirely different if he had said, "I have been advised.....bla bla bla."  But he did not.  He stated it is given fact that the person was killed outside the centre, and went on to basically assert that in going outside the centre, the deceased invited attack. 

I'm trying to find the source, but there are News reports Morrison also said ~ it is only inside the centre that he can guarantee the safety in refugees.  If that is what he said, he lied (and more) there as well.

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:50pm:

Aquascoot and Sparky say you're guilty of murder, Alevine. How do you plead?

Get in the cell and take your clothes off Alevine. It's time for the fire hose. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:50pm:

Aquascoot and Sparky say you're guilty of murder, Alevine. How do you plead?

;D

I drink coffee Karnal. Must be so. Because you can't drink coffee and help - it's one or the other, according to aqua.

Also, mind you Karnal, I must be guilty because I agreed to abide by international law when dealing with refugees. Oh wait... no, I didn't. But hey, according to the dumb ones, that's the same as drinking coffee. Or owning a dog.

And Karnal, did you know that NO POLICY EXISTS that strives for 0 deaths? You must have death, Karnal. It's unavoidable.

Sparky wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:50pm: Aquascoot and Sparky say you're guilty of murder, Alevine. How do you plead? Get in the cell and take your clothes off Alevine. It's time for the fire hose. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Sparky, are your true ambitions coming out?  :-*

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:50pm:

Aquascoot and Sparky say you're guilty of murder, Alevine. How do you plead?

If alvine supports SHY's call for a royal commision into this one death. This would cost $30,000,000.
enough to save maybe 30,000 african kids.
If alvine agrees with SHY, he supports numbers of deaths equal to genocide.
Shame, greenies, shame

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:54pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:53pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:50pm: Aquascoot and Sparky say you're guilty of murder, Alevine. How do you plead? Get in the cell and take your clothes off Alevine. It's time for the fire hose. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( Sparky, are your true ambitions coming out?  :-*

OH YEAH!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:50pm: Aquascoot and Sparky say you're guilty of murder, Alevine. How do you plead? If alvine supports SHY's call for a royal commision into this one death. This would cost $30,000,000. enough to save maybe 30,000 african kids. If alvine agrees with SHY, he supports numbers of deaths equal to genocide. Shame, greenies, shame

Who said I agree with the greenies, Aqua? You seem to be assuming a bit too much today. 

Sparky wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:54pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:53pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:50pm: Aquascoot and Sparky say you're guilty of murder, Alevine. How do you plead? Get in the cell and take your clothes off Alevine. It's time for the fire hose. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( Sparky, are your true ambitions coming out?  :-* OH YEAH!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Karnal, I think we found matty a new wife ;)

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:53pm:

You must have death, Karnal. It's unavoidable.

I agree. Can't we just let them drown on the way? Have we tried that yet? It could work, you know.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:56pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:54pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:53pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:50pm: Aquascoot and Sparky say you're guilty of murder, Alevine. How do you plead? Get in the cell and take your clothes off Alevine. It's time for the fire hose. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( Sparky, are your true ambitions coming out?  :-* OH YEAH!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( Karnal, I think we found matty a new wife ;)

Sparky's a tall glass of water. If he married Matty, they could help Cods out around the house.

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:53pm: You must have death, Karnal. It's unavoidable. I agree. Can't we just let them drown on the way? Have we tried that yet? It could work, you know.

True, and so much easier to explain than if it happens within the borders of our detention centres.

Anyway Karnal, I opt for an even easier solution: Find all those that would seek refugee status, BEFORE they decide to even arrive in Indonesia.  And be done with them then, nice and quick. Problem solved.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:56pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:54pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:53pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:50pm: Aquascoot and Sparky say you're guilty of murder, Alevine. How do you plead? Get in the cell and take your clothes off Alevine. It's time for the fire hose. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( Sparky, are your true ambitions coming out?  :-* OH YEAH!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( Karnal, I think we found matty a new wife ;)

  >:( >:( >:( :-[ :'( :'( :'(  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:54pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:50pm: Aquascoot and Sparky say you're guilty of murder, Alevine. How do you plead? If alvine supports SHY's call for a royal commision into this one death. This would cost $30,000,000. enough to save maybe 30,000 african kids. If alvine agrees with SHY, he supports numbers of deaths equal to genocide. Shame, greenies, shame Who said I agree with the greenies, Aqua? You seem to be assuming a bit too much today.

So you would agree that to do the greatest good for the greatest number is the correct policy ?
So one death , when taken into the scheme of things is acceptable, if we save several billion on border security AND use some of that money in foriegn aid (where it will have a multiplier effect).
The lefties need to learn maths.
Mass starvation in south sudan.
Let morrison kill off this $6 billion spend and ask for a billion to send to africa.

win/win......we can all sleep better knowing we have created good karma

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:54pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:50pm: Aquascoot and Sparky say you're guilty of murder, Alevine. How do you plead? If alvine supports SHY's call for a royal commision into this one death. This would cost $30,000,000. enough to save maybe 30,000 african kids. If alvine agrees with SHY, he supports numbers of deaths equal to genocide. Shame, greenies, shame Who said I agree with the greenies, Aqua?

You're either a leftard or a righty. You either agree with SHY or Andrew Bolt. That's just the way it is.

Pathetic, leftards, just pathetic.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:56pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:54pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:50pm: Aquascoot and Sparky say you're guilty of murder, Alevine. How do you plead? If alvine supports SHY's call for a royal commision into this one death. This would cost $30,000,000. enough to save maybe 30,000 african kids. If alvine agrees with SHY, he supports numbers of deaths equal to genocide. Shame, greenies, shame Who said I agree with the greenies, Aqua? You seem to be assuming a bit too much today.  So you would agree that to do the greatest good for the greatest number is the correct policy ? So one death , when taken into the scheme of things is acceptable, if we save several billion on border security AND use some of that money in foriegn aid (where it will have a multiplier effect). The lefties need to learn maths. Mass starvation in south sudan. Let morrison kill off this $6 billion spend and ask for a billion to send to africa. win/win......we can all sleep better knowing we have created good karma

No I don't accept that.

Setup proper regional processing with the UNHCR in Indonesia.   Either increase the refugee resettlement programme, or have a new classification for those we take directly from Indonesia.

Then, fly people back to that processing centre if they circumnavigate it.

0 deaths. problem solved.

And given the UNHCR spends $8,000,000 to process 10,000 a year, I'm sure it's much cheaper thabn the $9billion tag at the moment.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:59pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:53pm: You must have death, Karnal. It's unavoidable. I agree. Can't we just let them drown on the way? Have we tried that yet? It could work, you know. True, and so much easier to explain than if it happens within the borders of our detention centres. Anyway Karnal, I opt for an even easier solution: Find all those that would seek refugee status, BEFORE they decide to even arrive in Indonesia.  And be done with them then, nice and quick. Problem solved.

I agree, Alevine.

Who's idea was that, by the way - SHY or Andrew Bolt?

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:00pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:59pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:53pm: You must have death, Karnal. It's unavoidable. I agree. Can't we just let them drown on the way? Have we tried that yet? It could work, you know. True, and so much easier to explain than if it happens within the borders of our detention centres. Anyway Karnal, I opt for an even easier solution: Find all those that would seek refugee status, BEFORE they decide to even arrive in Indonesia.  And be done with them then, nice and quick. Problem solved. I agree, Alevine. Who's idea was that, by the way - SHY or Andrew Bolt?

I think they worked in conjunction with one another.  SHY said we had to help end the misery, and Bolt agreed.

I heard Sparky got really, really, excited by this idea.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:59pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:53pm: You must have death, Karnal. It's unavoidable. I agree. Can't we just let them drown on the way? Have we tried that yet? It could work, you know. True, and so much easier to explain than if it happens within the borders of our detention centres.

If it happens in our detention centres, they don't explain it at all.

It's an on-water issue, you see.

Found it.  Here is another reason Morrison must resign.  He did say he can guarantee safety for those who remain inside the centre.

Click here.

Agh, bugger it.  The link did not entirely open.

I can assure you that the Australian directly quotes Morrison saying those words.

What happened to the safety guarantee for those who remain inside the centre, Mr Morrison?

Resign, you prick!

Edit:  These are his words:


Quote:

I can guarantee their safety when they remain in the centre and act cooperatively with those who are trying to provide them with support and accommodation. When people engage in violent acts and in disorderly behaviour and breach fences and get involved in that sort of behaviour and go to the other side of the fence, well they will be subject to law enforcement as applies in Papua New Guinea.”

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:05pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:00pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:59pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:53pm: You must have death, Karnal. It's unavoidable. I agree. Can't we just let them drown on the way? Have we tried that yet? It could work, you know. True, and so much easier to explain than if it happens within the borders of our detention centres. Anyway Karnal, I opt for an even easier solution: Find all those that would seek refugee status, BEFORE they decide to even arrive in Indonesia.  And be done with them then, nice and quick. Problem solved. I agree, Alevine. Who's idea was that, by the way - SHY or Andrew Bolt? I think they worked in conjunction with one another.  SHY said we had to help end the misery, and Bolt agreed.

They want to euthenise poor Cods?

STOP THE BOATS.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:02pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:56pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:54pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:50pm: Aquascoot and Sparky say you're guilty of murder, Alevine. How do you plead? If alvine supports SHY's call for a royal commision into this one death. This would cost $30,000,000. enough to save maybe 30,000 african kids. If alvine agrees with SHY, he supports numbers of deaths equal to genocide. Shame, greenies, shame Who said I agree with the greenies, Aqua? You seem to be assuming a bit too much today.  So you would agree that to do the greatest good for the greatest number is the correct policy ? So one death , when taken into the scheme of things is acceptable, if we save several billion on border security AND use some of that money in foriegn aid (where it will have a multiplier effect). The lefties need to learn maths. Mass starvation in south sudan. Let morrison kill off this $6 billion spend and ask for a billion to send to africa. win/win......we can all sleep better knowing we have created good karma No I don't accept that. Setup proper regional processing with the UNHCR in Indonesia.   Either increase the refugee resettlement programme, or have a new classification for those we take directly from Indonesia. Then, fly people back to that processing centre if they circumnavigate it. 0 deaths. problem solved.

funds are not unlimited.
if i had 100 starving cattle who needed a bit of hay to see them through , i'd buy that before i chose one of the 100 and chartered a plane to fly him to greener pastures and let the other 99 die.  makes sense to me.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:10pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:05pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:02pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:56pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:54pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:50pm: Aquascoot and Sparky say you're guilty of murder, Alevine. How do you plead? If alvine supports SHY's call for a royal commision into this one death. This would cost $30,000,000. enough to save maybe 30,000 african kids. If alvine agrees with SHY, he supports numbers of deaths equal to genocide. Shame, greenies, shame Who said I agree with the greenies, Aqua? You seem to be assuming a bit too much today.  So you would agree that to do the greatest good for the greatest number is the correct policy ? So one death , when taken into the scheme of things is acceptable, if we save several billion on border security AND use some of that money in foriegn aid (where it will have a multiplier effect). The lefties need to learn maths. Mass starvation in south sudan. Let morrison kill off this $6 billion spend and ask for a billion to send to africa. win/win......we can all sleep better knowing we have created good karma No I don't accept that. Setup proper regional processing with the UNHCR in Indonesia.   Either increase the refugee resettlement programme, or have a new classification for those we take directly from Indonesia. Then, fly people back to that processing centre if they circumnavigate it. 0 deaths. problem solved. funds are not unlimited. if i had 100 starving cattle who needed a bit of hay to see them through , i'd buy that before i chose one of the 100 and chartered a plane to fly him to greener pastures and let the other 99 die.  makes sense to me.

UNHCR spends $8,000,000 to process 10,000 people. I agree funds, aren't unlimited.  Hence it's cheaper to process in Indonesia, then come up with a mash of policies that have this year cost $9,000,000,000. 

$8,000,000 for 10,000 people.
$9,000,000,000 for ... 50,000 people?

WOW. We're getting our money's worth.

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:09pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:07pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:05pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:00pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:59pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:53pm: You must have death, Karnal. It's unavoidable. I agree. Can't we just let them drown on the way? Have we tried that yet? It could work, you know. True, and so much easier to explain than if it happens within the borders of our detention centres. Anyway Karnal, I opt for an even easier solution: Find all those that would seek refugee status, BEFORE they decide to even arrive in Indonesia.  And be done with them then, nice and quick. Problem solved. I agree, Alevine. Who's idea was that, by the way - SHY or Andrew Bolt? I think they worked in conjunction with one another.  SHY said we had to help end the misery, and Bolt agreed. They want to euthenise poor Cods? STOP THE BOATS.

They won't dare touch the speaker of the house!

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:10pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:05pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:02pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:56pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:54pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:50pm: Aquascoot and Sparky say you're guilty of murder, Alevine. How do you plead? If alvine supports SHY's call for a royal commision into this one death. This would cost $30,000,000. enough to save maybe 30,000 african kids. If alvine agrees with SHY, he supports numbers of deaths equal to genocide. Shame, greenies, shame Who said I agree with the greenies, Aqua? You seem to be assuming a bit too much today.  So you would agree that to do the greatest good for the greatest number is the correct policy ? So one death , when taken into the scheme of things is acceptable, if we save several billion on border security AND use some of that money in foriegn aid (where it will have a multiplier effect). The lefties need to learn maths. Mass starvation in south sudan. Let morrison kill off this $6 billion spend and ask for a billion to send to africa. win/win......we can all sleep better knowing we have created good karma No I don't accept that. Setup proper regional processing with the UNHCR in Indonesia.   Either increase the refugee resettlement programme, or have a new classification for those we take directly from Indonesia. Then, fly people back to that processing centre if they circumnavigate it. 0 deaths. problem solved. funds are not unlimited. if i had 100 starving cattle who needed a bit of hay to see them through , i'd buy that before i chose one of the 100 and chartered a plane to fly him to greener pastures and let the other 99 die.  makes sense to me.

and ps: you obviously misunderstood.  The plane back is for anyone who bypasses processing in Indonesia.  IT seems the same to me as turning boats back, no? Why do something dangerously, when it can be done without danger, and without the cost of the navy?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:10pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:05pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:02pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:56pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:54pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:50pm: Aquascoot and Sparky say you're guilty of murder, Alevine. How do you plead? If alvine supports SHY's call for a royal commision into this one death. This would cost $30,000,000. enough to save maybe 30,000 african kids. If alvine agrees with SHY, he supports numbers of deaths equal to genocide. Shame, greenies, shame Who said I agree with the greenies, Aqua? You seem to be assuming a bit too much today.  So you would agree that to do the greatest good for the greatest number is the correct policy ? So one death , when taken into the scheme of things is acceptable, if we save several billion on border security AND use some of that money in foriegn aid (where it will have a multiplier effect). The lefties need to learn maths. Mass starvation in south sudan. Let morrison kill off this $6 billion spend and ask for a billion to send to africa. win/win......we can all sleep better knowing we have created good karma No I don't accept that. Setup proper regional processing with the UNHCR in Indonesia.   Either increase the refugee resettlement programme, or have a new classification for those we take directly from Indonesia. Then, fly people back to that processing centre if they circumnavigate it. 0 deaths. problem solved. funds are not unlimited. if i had 100 starving cattle who needed a bit of hay to see them through , i'd buy that before i chose one of the 100 and chartered a plane to fly him to greener pastures and let the other 99 die.  makes sense to me. UNHCR spends $8,000,000 to process 10,000 people. I agree funds, aren't unlimited.  Hence it's cheaper to process in Indonesia, then come up with a mash of policies that have this year cost $9,000,000,000.  $8,000,000 for 10,000 people. $9,000,000,000 for ... 50,000 people? WOW. We're getting our money's worth.

indeed we are not ;)
declare christmas island an uninhabited national park and relocate everyone.
put the 8 billion per annum in a trust and use the profits from the trust to help "desperate people" in their country of origin.
cheaper, no deaths, repairs our international reputation

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:12pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:09pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:07pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:05pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:00pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:59pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:53pm: You must have death, Karnal. It's unavoidable. I agree. Can't we just let them drown on the way? Have we tried that yet? It could work, you know. True, and so much easier to explain than if it happens within the borders of our detention centres. Anyway Karnal, I opt for an even easier solution: Find all those that would seek refugee status, BEFORE they decide to even arrive in Indonesia.  And be done with them then, nice and quick. Problem solved. I agree, Alevine. Who's idea was that, by the way - SHY or Andrew Bolt? I think they worked in conjunction with one another.  SHY said we had to help end the misery, and Bolt agreed. They want to euthenise poor Cods? STOP THE BOATS. They won't dare touch the speaker of the house!

True, but I think what Aquascoot and Sparky are saying is that there needs to be a policy of deterrence in place.

Killing a few in detention can save thousands of deaths in the long run.

Think of it like Aquascoot's cows in a time of drought. Do you understand a bit better?

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:19pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:12pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:09pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:07pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:05pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:00pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:59pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:53pm: You must have death, Karnal. It's unavoidable. I agree. Can't we just let them drown on the way? Have we tried that yet? It could work, you know. True, and so much easier to explain than if it happens within the borders of our detention centres. Anyway Karnal, I opt for an even easier solution: Find all those that would seek refugee status, BEFORE they decide to even arrive in Indonesia.  And be done with them then, nice and quick. Problem solved. I agree, Alevine. Who's idea was that, by the way - SHY or Andrew Bolt? I think they worked in conjunction with one another.  SHY said we had to help end the misery, and Bolt agreed. They want to euthenise poor Cods? STOP THE BOATS. They won't dare touch the speaker of the house! True, but I think what Aquascoot and Sparky are saying is that there needs to be a policy of deterrence in place. Killing a few in detention can save thousands of deaths in the long run. Think of it like Aquascoot's cows in a time of drought. Do you understand a bit better?

But Karnal, if we simply eradicate the cows...then there is no more problem, and no need for deterrence. 

"Progressive" thinking:

1 dead asylum seeker under the Liberals = Go crazy, bonkers, and nuts.

1,000 dead asylum seekers under Labor = She'll be right, mate!


Something doesn't compute.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:11pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:10pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:05pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:02pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:56pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:54pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:50pm: Aquascoot and Sparky say you're guilty of murder, Alevine. How do you plead? If alvine supports SHY's call for a royal commision into this one death. This would cost $30,000,000. enough to save maybe 30,000 african kids. If alvine agrees with SHY, he supports numbers of deaths equal to genocide. Shame, greenies, shame Who said I agree with the greenies, Aqua? You seem to be assuming a bit too much today.  So you would agree that to do the greatest good for the greatest number is the correct policy ? So one death , when taken into the scheme of things is acceptable, if we save several billion on border security AND use some of that money in foriegn aid (where it will have a multiplier effect). The lefties need to learn maths. Mass starvation in south sudan. Let morrison kill off this $6 billion spend and ask for a billion to send to africa. win/win......we can all sleep better knowing we have created good karma No I don't accept that. Setup proper regional processing with the UNHCR in Indonesia.   Either increase the refugee resettlement programme, or have a new classification for those we take directly from Indonesia. Then, fly people back to that processing centre if they circumnavigate it. 0 deaths. problem solved. funds are not unlimited. if i had 100 starving cattle who needed a bit of hay to see them through , i'd buy that before i chose one of the 100 and chartered a plane to fly him to greener pastures and let the other 99 die.  makes sense to me. UNHCR spends $8,000,000 to process 10,000 people. I agree funds, aren't unlimited.  Hence it's cheaper to process in Indonesia, then come up with a mash of policies that have this year cost $9,000,000,000.  $8,000,000 for 10,000 people. $9,000,000,000 for ... 50,000 people? WOW. We're getting our money's worth. indeed we are not ;) declare christmas island an uninhabited national park and relocate everyone. put the 8 billion per annum in a trust and use the profits from the trust to help "desperate people" in their country of origin. cheaper, no deaths, repairs our international reputation

Do what you want with the  8billion - my point is that if UNHCR can do processing for $8 million, surely we can meet our obligations under the refugee convention in a much cheaper way than $8 billion to sooth Sparky's tensions?

Or you don't believe we should meet our obligations?

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:19pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:12pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:09pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:07pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:05pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:00pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:59pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:53pm: You must have death, Karnal. It's unavoidable. I agree. Can't we just let them drown on the way? Have we tried that yet? It could work, you know. True, and so much easier to explain than if it happens within the borders of our detention centres. Anyway Karnal, I opt for an even easier solution: Find all those that would seek refugee status, BEFORE they decide to even arrive in Indonesia.  And be done with them then, nice and quick. Problem solved. I agree, Alevine. Who's idea was that, by the way - SHY or Andrew Bolt? I think they worked in conjunction with one another.  SHY said we had to help end the misery, and Bolt agreed. They want to euthenise poor Cods? STOP THE BOATS. They won't dare touch the speaker of the house! True, but I think what Aquascoot and Sparky are saying is that there needs to be a policy of deterrence in place. Killing a few in detention can save thousands of deaths in the long run. Think of it like Aquascoot's cows in a time of drought. Do you understand a bit better?

My cows are looked after and not used as pawns in some political hand wringing crocodile tear -a- thon.
And i would always spend my money wisely caring for them. If one died, i wouldnt spend several million on getting a team of veterinary lawyers do a report for me. I'd get on with looking after the others in the most efficient way possible. For example, if i had cows in south sudan, somalia and syria, i would send them some hay and say "stay put"  I certainly wouldnt boat and fly them all over the world and then put them in quarantine til they died of old age. ;)

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

"Progressive" thinking: 1 dead asylum seeker under the Liberals = Go crazy, bonkers, and nuts. 1,000 dead asylum seekers under Labor = She'll be right, mate! Something doesn't compute.

it must be all those ethnic drive bys, Mist ;D

Once again, for the doctors in the house:

The difference is the fact that the death happened IN the detention centre UNDER Australian care.   

What I find disgusting is that the vigil should occur every damn week given the amount of suicide that occurs under our "protection."  This isn't the first death in a detention center, and it won't be the last. Our policies are screwed beyond comprehension, and the sadist should stand condemned for trying to hide it , and explain it away.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:19pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:12pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:09pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:07pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:05pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:00pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:59pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:53pm: You must have death, Karnal. It's unavoidable. I agree. Can't we just let them drown on the way? Have we tried that yet? It could work, you know. True, and so much easier to explain than if it happens within the borders of our detention centres. Anyway Karnal, I opt for an even easier solution: Find all those that would seek refugee status, BEFORE they decide to even arrive in Indonesia.  And be done with them then, nice and quick. Problem solved. I agree, Alevine. Who's idea was that, by the way - SHY or Andrew Bolt? I think they worked in conjunction with one another.  SHY said we had to help end the misery, and Bolt agreed. They want to euthenise poor Cods? STOP THE BOATS. They won't dare touch the speaker of the house! True, but I think what Aquascoot and Sparky are saying is that there needs to be a policy of deterrence in place. Killing a few in detention can save thousands of deaths in the long run. Think of it like Aquascoot's cows in a time of drought. Do you understand a bit better? My cows are looked after and not used as pawns in some political hand wringing crocodile tear -a- thon. And i would always spend my money wisely caring for them. If one died, i wouldnt spend several million on getting a team of veterinary lawyers do a report for me. I'd get on with looking after the others in the most efficient way possible. For example, if i had cows in south sudan, somalia and syria, i would send them some hay and say "stay put"  I certainly wouldnt boat and fly them all over the world and then put them in quarantine til they died of old age. ;)

What would you do if one of your cows in Sudan/Somalia or Syria was being chased by tigers?  Would you expect the cow to stand and fight?  Would you try to help it?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:24pm: "Progressive" thinking: 1 dead asylum seeker under the Liberals = Go crazy, bonkers, and nuts. 1,000 dead asylum seekers under Labor = She'll be right, mate! Something doesn't compute. it must be all those ethnic drive bys, Mist ;D Once again, for the doctors in the house: The difference is the fact that the death happened IN the detention centre UNDER Australian care.    What I find disgusting is that the vigil should occur every damn week given the amount of suicide that occurs under our "protection."  This isn't the first death in a detention center, and it won't be the last. Our policies are screwed beyond comprehension, and the sadist should stand condemned for trying to hide it , and explain it away.

Yawn. This outrage was missing under Labor. Spare me your selective compassion. Yawn.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:29pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:28pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:24pm: "Progressive" thinking: 1 dead asylum seeker under the Liberals = Go crazy, bonkers, and nuts. 1,000 dead asylum seekers under Labor = She'll be right, mate! Something doesn't compute. it must be all those ethnic drive bys, Mist ;D Once again, for the doctors in the house: The difference is the fact that the death happened IN the detention centre UNDER Australian care.    What I find disgusting is that the vigil should occur every damn week given the amount of suicide that occurs under our "protection."  This isn't the first death in a detention center, and it won't be the last. Our policies are screwed beyond comprehension, and the sadist should stand condemned for trying to hide it , and explain it away. Yawn. This outrage was missing under Labor. Spare me your selective compassion. Yawn.

Actually it wasn't.
But hey, you're the doc. ;)

Conservative thinking: ... ... ... What an oxymoron - conservative thinking. ;D ;D ;D

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

"Progressive" thinking: 1 dead asylum seeker under the Liberals = Go crazy, bonkers, and nuts. 1,000 dead asylum seekers under Labor = She'll be right, mate! Something doesn't compute.

Yeas, that is clear in your case.

Those who drowned at sea were not in our detention centres, run by us, and where we have a duty of care to ensure the safety of those in our care/detention.

In fact, Morrison guarantees the safety of those in detention so long as they remain inside the centres.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

[quote author=Karnal link=1393124173/123#123 date=1393222769] I certainly wouldnt boat and fly them all over the world and then put them in quarantine til they died of old age. ;)

Where do you send them to, you know... ?

For those who reckon, like a stupid Liberal pollie whose name is Kelly that Australia is punching above its weight on refugees ~ here is the reality check. We suck!

Click here.


Quote:

Refugees recognised: Australia ranks 32nd in terms of the number of people who are found to be refugees after arriving in Australia seeking asylum. Total intake: Australia ranks 22nd in terms of its total refugee intake.

Many of those big figures are border movements. They really are a different thing .

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:29pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:26pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:19pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:12pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:09pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:07pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:05pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:00pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:59pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:53pm: You must have death, Karnal. It's unavoidable. I agree. Can't we just let them drown on the way? Have we tried that yet? It could work, you know. True, and so much easier to explain than if it happens within the borders of our detention centres. Anyway Karnal, I opt for an even easier solution: Find all those that would seek refugee status, BEFORE they decide to even arrive in Indonesia.  And be done with them then, nice and quick. Problem solved. I agree, Alevine. Who's idea was that, by the way - SHY or Andrew Bolt? I think they worked in conjunction with one another.  SHY said we had to help end the misery, and Bolt agreed. They want to euthenise poor Cods? STOP THE BOATS. They won't dare touch the speaker of the house! True, but I think what Aquascoot and Sparky are saying is that there needs to be a policy of deterrence in place. Killing a few in detention can save thousands of deaths in the long run. Think of it like Aquascoot's cows in a time of drought. Do you understand a bit better? My cows are looked after and not used as pawns in some political hand wringing crocodile tear -a- thon. And i would always spend my money wisely caring for them. If one died, i wouldnt spend several million on getting a team of veterinary lawyers do a report for me. I'd get on with looking after the others in the most efficient way possible. For example, if i had cows in south sudan, somalia and syria, i would send them some hay and say "stay put"  I certainly wouldnt boat and fly them all over the world and then put them in quarantine til they died of old age. ;) What would you do if one of your cows in Sudan/Somalia or Syria was being chased by tigers?  Would you expect the cow to stand and fight?  Would you try to help it?

I'd advise said cow to seek afety in the next paddock.  if it went through 26 paddocks, tore off its eartag to prevent identification and tried to get into the prized sorghum crop , i'd get a bit cross and probably apologise to the sorghum farmer.

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:31pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:26pm: [quote author=Karnal link=1393124173/123#123 date=1393222769] I certainly wouldnt boat and fly them all over the world and then put them in quarantine til they died of old age. ;) Where do you send them to, you know... ?

you got me ;)
youre too smart to be a leftard

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 5:07pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:29pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:26pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:19pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:12pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:09pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:07pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:05pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:00pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:59pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 3:53pm: You must have death, Karnal. It's unavoidable. I agree. Can't we just let them drown on the way? Have we tried that yet? It could work, you know. True, and so much easier to explain than if it happens within the borders of our detention centres. Anyway Karnal, I opt for an even easier solution: Find all those that would seek refugee status, BEFORE they decide to even arrive in Indonesia.  And be done with them then, nice and quick. Problem solved. I agree, Alevine. Who's idea was that, by the way - SHY or Andrew Bolt? I think they worked in conjunction with one another.  SHY said we had to help end the misery, and Bolt agreed. They want to euthenise poor Cods? STOP THE BOATS. They won't dare touch the speaker of the house! True, but I think what Aquascoot and Sparky are saying is that there needs to be a policy of deterrence in place. Killing a few in detention can save thousands of deaths in the long run. Think of it like Aquascoot's cows in a time of drought. Do you understand a bit better? My cows are looked after and not used as pawns in some political hand wringing crocodile tear -a- thon. And i would always spend my money wisely caring for them. If one died, i wouldnt spend several million on getting a team of veterinary lawyers do a report for me. I'd get on with looking after the others in the most efficient way possible. For example, if i had cows in south sudan, somalia and syria, i would send them some hay and say "stay put"  I certainly wouldnt boat and fly them all over the world and then put them in quarantine til they died of old age. ;) What would you do if one of your cows in Sudan/Somalia or Syria was being chased by tigers?  Would you expect the cow to stand and fight?  Would you try to help it? I'd advise said cow to seek afety in the next paddock.  if it went through 26 paddocks, tore off its eartag to prevent identification and tried to get into the prized sorghum crop , i'd get a bit cross and probably apologise to the sorghum farmer.

What if the cow wasn't concentrating on the nearest paddock, but the nearest path to a safe paddock? No, bad luck?

The labour party minister for cow migration(Mr Bob Carr) confirmed that a lot of these cattle that are off the property are merely sorghum seekers.  He urged them to stay in their own paddocks. Unbelievably, some criminal farmers are actually accepting bribes from these cows to get in amongst the sweetest crops.
One cow was badly injured by a feral pig whilst feasting on the sorghum and the local CWA went ballistic.

Aussie wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:54pm:

For those who reckon, like a stupid Liberal pollie whose name is Kelly that Australia is punching above its weight on refugees ~ here is the reality check. We suck! Click here. Quote: Refugees recognised: Australia ranks 32nd in terms of the number of people who are found to be refugees after arriving in Australia seeking asylum. Total intake: Australia ranks 22nd in terms of its total refugee intake.

Selective cherry picking of statistics from the leftists here.

We have a UN obligation to take in about 13,000 refugees every year which we do.

We have offshore and onshore categories, those illegal country shopping economic migrants who pay people smugglers queue jump the genuine refugees and displace them from our 13,000 Un refugee obligation.

We took in 5,937 genuine refugees from camps around the world and are rated 2nd in the world per 1000 people for this.

If we didnt have illegal boat people pushing in we would be taking in 13,000 people from refugee camps which would have us ranked #1, the illegal boat people are taking the places of genuine refugees which is why there are only 5,937 refugees listed dropping our rank to 2nd per 1000 people, the 7000+ who came in by boat have displaced genuine refugees to make our total of around 13,000.

The leftists seem to hate those with money yet they always favour those who can afford to pay a people smuggler over those poor refugees who do the right thing, the hypocrisy from the leftists is mind boggling at times.

The religious wars between rival sects in Islam has produced a lot of refugees,(Syria for example) of course the leftists stick up for Islam which has the death penalty for the crime of atheism in 13 Islamic countries.
Islam has a 1400 year history of sunni vs shia battles they started with The Battle of the Camel and will continue while the ignorant leftists put respect for ancient beliefs before respect for humanity.
The leftists hurl slurs like bigot/racist/Islamophobe to any critic who points out the idiocy of the Islamic belief, they have no solution or ideas on how to stop these wars between rival sects of Islam so they suck up to Islam and try to impose Islamic blasphemy laws on critics of Islam hoping the problem will go away.

The murder of Salman Taseer in Pakistan shows it is considered blasphemy to oppose their blasphemy laws, why did our cricket team stop playing in Pakistan was it an Islamic terror threat that stopped them from going there?

No, Mr Rort, quite clearly, as that link carefully demonstrates, it was the Liberal Kelly who did the cherry picking.

Aussie wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 5:42pm:

No, Mr Rort, quite clearly, as that link carefully demonstrates, it was the Liberal Kelly who did the cherry picking.

2012- who was in charge?

I suppose now the boats have stopped our intake will grow from 5,900 refugees in camps to 13,000 which will rank us at #1.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 5:38pm:

The labour party minister for cow migration(Mr Bob Carr) confirmed that a lot of these cattle that are off the property are merely sorghum seekers.  He urged them to stay in their own paddocks. Unbelievably, some criminal farmers are actually accepting bribes from these cows to get in amongst the sweetest crops. One cow was badly injured by a feral pig whilst feasting on the sorghum and the local CWA went ballistic.

Actually carr was the minister for foreign cow affairs.

And what carr failed to remind us all was that he was of course basing his data on cows who weren't even processed yet.

Keep digging.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 5:39pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:54pm: For those who reckon, like a stupid Liberal pollie whose name is Kelly that Australia is punching above its weight on refugees ~ here is the reality check. We suck! Click here. Quote: Refugees recognised: Australia ranks 32nd in terms of the number of people who are found to be refugees after arriving in Australia seeking asylum. Total intake: Australia ranks 22nd in terms of its total refugee intake. Selective cherry picking of statistics from the leftists here. We have a UN obligation to take in about 13,000 refugees every year which we do. We have offshore and onshore categories, those illegal country shopping economic migrants who pay people smugglers queue jump the genuine refugees and displace them from our 13,000 Un refugee obligation. We took in 5,937 genuine refugees from camps around the world and are rated 2nd in the world per 1000 people for this. If we didnt have illegal boat people pushing in we would be taking in 13,000 people from refugee camps which would have us ranked #1, the illegal boat people are taking the places of genuine refugees which is why there are only 5,937 refugees listed dropping our rank to 2nd per 1000 people, the 7000+ who came in by boat have displaced genuine refugees to make our total of around 13,000. The leftists seem to hate those with money yet they always favour those who can afford to pay a people smuggler over those poor refugees who do the right thing, the hypocrisy from the leftists is mind boggling at times. The religious wars between rival sects in Islam has produced a lot of refugees,(Syria for example) of course the leftists stick up for Islam which has the death penalty for the crime of atheism in 13 Islamic countries. Islam has a 1400 year history of sunni vs shia battles they started with The Battle of the Camel and will continue while the ignorant leftists put respect for ancient beliefs before respect for humanity. The leftists hurl slurs like bigot/racist/Islamophobe to any critic who points out the idiocy of the Islamic belief, they have no solution or ideas on how to stop these wars between rival sects of Islam so they suck up to Islam and try to impose Islamic blasphemy laws on critics of Islam hoping the problem will go away. The murder of Salman Taseer in Pakistan shows it is considered blasphemy to oppose their blasphemy laws, why did our cricket team stop playing in Pakistan was it an Islamic terror threat that stopped them from going there?

Actually the 13000 is a voluntary commitment.  Our obligation is to assess asylum seekers and offer protection to those found to be refugees.  To that there is NO Number.

Aussie wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 4:31pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:24pm: "Progressive" thinking: 1 dead asylum seeker under the Liberals = Go crazy, bonkers, and nuts. 1,000 dead asylum seekers under Labor = She'll be right, mate! Something doesn't compute. Yeas, that is clear in your case. Those who drowned at sea were not in our detention centres, run by us, and where we have a duty of care to ensure the safety of those in our care/detention. In fact, Morrison guarantees the safety of those in detention so long as they remain inside the centres.

Selective compassion eh. Doesn't sound very progressive.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 6:15pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 5:39pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 4:54pm: For those who reckon, like a stupid Liberal pollie whose name is Kelly that Australia is punching above its weight on refugees ~ here is the reality check. We suck! Click here. Quote: Refugees recognised: Australia ranks 32nd in terms of the number of people who are found to be refugees after arriving in Australia seeking asylum. Total intake: Australia ranks 22nd in terms of its total refugee intake. Selective cherry picking of statistics from the leftists here. We have a UN obligation to take in about 13,000 refugees every year which we do. We have offshore and onshore categories, those illegal country shopping economic migrants who pay people smugglers queue jump the genuine refugees and displace them from our 13,000 Un refugee obligation. We took in 5,937 genuine refugees from camps around the world and are rated 2nd in the world per 1000 people for this. If we didnt have illegal boat people pushing in we would be taking in 13,000 people from refugee camps which would have us ranked #1, the illegal boat people are taking the places of genuine refugees which is why there are only 5,937 refugees listed dropping our rank to 2nd per 1000 people, the 7000+ who came in by boat have displaced genuine refugees to make our total of around 13,000. The leftists seem to hate those with money yet they always favour those who can afford to pay a people smuggler over those poor refugees who do the right thing, the hypocrisy from the leftists is mind boggling at times. The religious wars between rival sects in Islam has produced a lot of refugees,(Syria for example) of course the leftists stick up for Islam which has the death penalty for the crime of atheism in 13 Islamic countries. Islam has a 1400 year history of sunni vs shia battles they started with The Battle of the Camel and will continue while the ignorant leftists put respect for ancient beliefs before respect for humanity. The leftists hurl slurs like bigot/racist/Islamophobe to any critic who points out the idiocy of the Islamic belief, they have no solution or ideas on how to stop these wars between rival sects of Islam so they suck up to Islam and try to impose Islamic blasphemy laws on critics of Islam hoping the problem will go away. The murder of Salman Taseer in Pakistan shows it is considered blasphemy to oppose their blasphemy laws, why did our cricket team stop playing in Pakistan was it an Islamic terror threat that stopped them from going there? Actually the 13000 is a voluntary commitment.  Our obligation is to assess asylum seekers and offer protection to those found to be refugees.  To that there is NO Number.

Are you saying we can withdraw from our Un obligations to take 13,000 refugees because it is voluntary?

Look up the numbers we have been taking over the years, why is it just over 13,000 ?

50,000 refugees in camps lodge applications for our offshore component just about every year, every illegal boat person who pays a people smuggler displaces a genuine refugee who did the right thing.
When it comes to refugees the leftists support the wealthy illegal queue jumpers over the poor refugees who do the right thing.