The Australian Greens say Immigration Minister Scott Morrison should be sacked for misleading the public over Manus Island after rioting at the detention centre.

The call comes after Mr Morrison backtracked on claims Iranian man Reza Berati died from injuries sustained outside Australia's facility in Papua New Guinea.

He now says it appears the majority of the "riotous behaviour" that led to the death of Berati and injuries to 62 other asylum seekers happened inside the centre's perimeter.
ttp:// ews.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/02/23/11/02/morrison-must-explain-himself-labor

I love the way the current government is handling the country shopper situation. Better they be rioting and dying than ending up in our country only to commit crimes like murder, rape, pack rape, assault, theft, fraud, ram-raids etc... and add to the segregation, disunity, division and mistrust that multi-racialism brings.

If Abbott had any decency he would sack himself.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 3:50pm:

If Abbott had any decency he would sack himself.

And you could put a Wilkinson Sword to good use !  >:( >:(

woody2014 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 3:54pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 3:50pm: If Abbott had any decency he would sack himself. And you could put a Wilkinson Sword to good use !  >:( >:(

I will interpret that as agreement. Please don't apologize for your lack of communication skills.

Are you whingeing about Manus Island, if memory serves me correctly KRudd set that up?

I have a solution, check the nationality of all detainees, then at the Australian Government's expense fly them back to their country's of origin.

They are NOT I repeat NOT Asylum Seekers but Country Shoppers.

Fly them home, then pull the plug on Manus Island, then turn all future boats back to Indonesia from whence they come.

Taipan wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 3:49pm:

The Australian Greens say Immigration Minister Scott Morrison should be sacked for misleading the public over Manus Island after rioting at the detention centre. The call comes after Mr Morrison backtracked on claims Iranian man Reza Berati died from injuries sustained outside Australia's facility in Papua New Guinea. He now says it appears the majority of the "riotous behaviour" that led to the death of Berati and injuries to 62 other asylum seekers happened inside the centre's perimeter. ttp:// ews.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/02/23/11/02/morrison-must-explain-himself-labor I love the way the current government is handling the country shopper situation. Better they be rioting and dying than ending up in our country only to commit crimes like murder, rape, pack rape, assault, theft, fraud, ram-raids etc... and add to the segregation, disunity, division and mistrust that multi-racialism brings.

We do not owe them settlement in Australia.
We send the to another Refugee Convention signatory country for processing because they are trying to enter Australia illegally.
Their refugee claim is heard and assessed and they can seek re-settlement anywhere else in the world.

Nobody can force Australia to resettle anyone who wants to settle here.
Simple, really.

The Greens should sack themselves  for being wankers.. :(

Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 8:20pm:

Taipan wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 3:49pm: The Australian Greens say Immigration Minister Scott Morrison should be sacked for misleading the public over Manus Island after rioting at the detention centre. The call comes after Mr Morrison backtracked on claims Iranian man Reza Berati died from injuries sustained outside Australia's facility in Papua New Guinea. He now says it appears the majority of the "riotous behaviour" that led to the death of Berati and injuries to 62 other asylum seekers happened inside the centre's perimeter. ttp:// ews.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/02/23/11/02/morrison-must-explain-himself-labor I love the way the current government is handling the country shopper situation. Better they be rioting and dying than ending up in our country only to commit crimes like murder, rape, pack rape, assault, theft, fraud, ram-raids etc... and add to the segregation, disunity, division and mistrust that multi-racialism brings. We do not owe them settlement in Australia. We send the to another Refugee Convention signatory country for processing because they are trying to enter Australia illegally. Their refugee claim is heard and assessed and they can seek re-settlement anywhere else in the world. Nobody can force Australia to resettle anyone who wants to settle here. Simple, really.

Soren, really, turn it up!  We signed a document in 1951 which proves you wrong.  We are still bound Internationally by its terms.  All Abbott has to do (if he has the balls) is repudiate, and he is free to do whatever he pleases.  Can you tell me why he has not done that?

:-?

The UN is a NON-GOVERNMENTAL ORGANISATION and whatever document was signed back in 1951 certainly wasn't signed with the population knowing about it.

The UN is a rogue anti-White racist organisation created by elitists and Zionists FOR the benefit of elitists and Zionists. They are our enemies.

Aussie wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 9:02pm:

.  Can you tell me why he has not done that? :-?

He hasn't got a mandate for one.

He can't even get mandated policy through the 'unrepresentative swill'

Taipan wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:19pm:

The UN is a NON-GOVERNMENTAL ORGANISATION and whatever document was signed back in 1951 certainly wasn't signed with the population knowing about it. The UN is a rogue anti-White racist organisation created by elitists and Zionists FOR the benefit of elitists and Zionists. They are our enemies.

Dumb.

And wrong.

Swagman wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:30am:

Aussie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:02pm: .  Can you tell me why he has not done that? :-? He hasn't got a mandate for one. He can't even get mandated policy through the 'unrepresentative swill'

And nor should he.

His 'policies' are pure crap, and are anathema to decent, thinking people.

Aussie wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 9:02pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 8:20pm: Taipan wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 3:49pm: The Australian Greens say Immigration Minister Scott Morrison should be sacked for misleading the public over Manus Island after rioting at the detention centre. The call comes after Mr Morrison backtracked on claims Iranian man Reza Berati died from injuries sustained outside Australia's facility in Papua New Guinea. He now says it appears the majority of the "riotous behaviour" that led to the death of Berati and injuries to 62 other asylum seekers happened inside the centre's perimeter. ttp:// ews.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/02/23/11/02/morrison-must-explain-himself-labor I love the way the current government is handling the country shopper situation. Better they be rioting and dying than ending up in our country only to commit crimes like murder, rape, pack rape, assault, theft, fraud, ram-raids etc... and add to the segregation, disunity, division and mistrust that multi-racialism brings. We do not owe them settlement in Australia. We send the to another Refugee Convention signatory country for processing because they are trying to enter Australia illegally. Their refugee claim is heard and assessed and they can seek re-settlement anywhere else in the world. Nobody can force Australia to resettle anyone who wants to settle here. Simple, really. Soren, really, turn it up!  We signed a document in 1951 which proves you wrong.  We are still bound Internationally by its terms.  All Abbott has to do (if he has the balls) is repudiate, and he is free to do whatever he pleases.  Can you tell me why he has not done that? :-?

There is absolutely nothing, nothing in the refugee convention about obligation to permanently re-settle anyone.

Nothing.

Yes, you are reading it correctly - nothing. We owe permanent settlement to nobody under any convention or treaty or whatever.

Read the convention and repent for talking shite.

Standard you walk by is the standard you set it's pretty clear that the treatment of asylum seekers is acceptable to a lot of us. So we won't complain if we find our selves in need of help and are treated like that. No requirement to be a good global citizen, Everyman for himself..
This is sad reality of what we have become.

Morrison made it very clear that it was his own fault for being outside the detention centre, Since he wasn't on the outside obviously it was not his own fault after all, he was actually in the place that Morrison was saying he would be protected and was in fact our responsibility.

I would not recommend sacking Liberals for lying, there would be none left however a thing like this one is a different matter all together.

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:02pm: Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 8:20pm: Taipan wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 3:49pm: The Australian Greens say Immigration Minister Scott Morrison should be sacked for misleading the public over Manus Island after rioting at the detention centre. The call comes after Mr Morrison backtracked on claims Iranian man Reza Berati died from injuries sustained outside Australia's facility in Papua New Guinea. He now says it appears the majority of the "riotous behaviour" that led to the death of Berati and injuries to 62 other asylum seekers happened inside the centre's perimeter. ttp:// ews.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/02/23/11/02/morrison-must-explain-himself-labor I love the way the current government is handling the country shopper situation. Better they be rioting and dying than ending up in our country only to commit crimes like murder, rape, pack rape, assault, theft, fraud, ram-raids etc... and add to the segregation, disunity, division and mistrust that multi-racialism brings. We do not owe them settlement in Australia. We send the to another Refugee Convention signatory country for processing because they are trying to enter Australia illegally. Their refugee claim is heard and assessed and they can seek re-settlement anywhere else in the world. Nobody can force Australia to resettle anyone who wants to settle here. Simple, really. Soren, really, turn it up!  We signed a document in 1951 which proves you wrong.  We are still bound Internationally by its terms.  All Abbott has to do (if he has the balls) is repudiate, and he is free to do whatever he pleases.  Can you tell me why he has not done that? :-? There is absolutely nothing, nothing in the refugee convention about obligation to permanently re-settle anyone. Nothing. Yes, you are reading it correctly - nothing. We owe permanent settlement to nobody under any convention or treaty or whatever. Read the convention and repent for talking shite.

Here it is.  The Convention.  How do you like your crow?

Click here.

The Greens are right on this. Morrison must be sacked for being mean. And Soren just because there is nothing that says we are obliged doesn't mean we shouldn't.

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:03pm:

Other countries folk have pood in their own nest, now its time to bring them all here to carve up two hundred years of white mans peace and prosperity.  :D :D :D The left are suicidal, they can't stand to be in their own white skin, the sooner the blacks and browns are smashing their empty skulls in and raping their children the better off they'll feel.    :D :D :D

Pretty much.
I often wonder if their mothers or sisters were packed raped would they bring up the "they've had a hard life" scenario in defence of them?

You can't blame asylum seekers for rape. It's all they know and its how they communicate with women. A few Aussie women suffering rape is nothing compared to the hardship suffered by asylum seekers. We need to be more accommodating and talk to them more so they won't feel the need to communicate with rape.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:54pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:03pm: Other countries folk have pood in their own nest, now its time to bring them all here to carve up two hundred years of white mans peace and prosperity.  :D :D :D The left are suicidal, they can't stand to be in their own white skin, the sooner the blacks and browns are smashing their empty skulls in and raping their children the better off they'll feel.    :D :D :D Pretty much. I often wonder if their mothers or sisters were packed raped would they bring up the "they've had a hard life" scenario in defence of them?

No, goose. We'd punish the guilty individuals.

Not their whole group, town, country as you do.

Greensprogress wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 9:00pm:

You can't blame asylum seekers for rape. It's all they know and its how they communicate with women. A few Aussie women suffering rape is nothing compared to the hardship suffered by asylum seekers. We need to be more accommodating and talk to them more so they won't feel the need to communicate with rape.

Personal Safety Survey 2012

On 11 December 2013, the ABS re-issued the results of the nationally representative Personal Safety Survey presenting information about women's and men's experiences of violence. The ABS define sexual assault as "an act of a sexual nature carried out against a person's will through the use of physical force, intimidation or coercion". Sexual violence is defined as including sexual assault and sexual threat.

During the 12 months prior to the survey, 8.7% of all men over 18 years of age, and 5.3% of all women over 18 years of age had experienced some form of violence
Both women and men who experienced violence in the last 12 months, were more likely to have experienced physical violence than sexual violence
In 2012 an estimated 17% (1,494,000) of all women aged 18 years and over had experienced sexual assault since the age of 15.
In 2012 an estimated 4% (336,000) of all men aged 18 years and over had experienced sexual assault since the age of 15.
Both women and men were more likely to experience sexual violence that is perpetrated by a known person rather than a stranger.
For women the most likely type of known perpetrator of sexual violence was a boyfriend/girlfriend or date. For men, the most likely type of known perpetrator of sexual violence was acquaintance or neighbour

Apparently know a lot about it to

Yes, but that is Australian statistics and not related to the violent countries the asylum seekers come from. Their war ravaged homes and lives are completely different from anything Australians have ever experienced and they need compassion to help them deal with the trauma.

Greensprogress wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 9:52pm:

Yes, but that is Australian statistics and not related to the violent countries the asylum seekers come from. Their war ravaged homes and lives are completely different from anything Australians have ever experienced and they need compassion to help them deal with the trauma.

We get country shopping economic migrants from-
China
Iran
Pakistan

Who are they at war with?

They are war with the burgeoning capitalism that is sweeping their countries, but I don't think the Chinese are known for raping women. It would be the Iranians, Pakistanis and others who have been sexually repressed by their regimes. We need to put in special needs centres to help them cope with Australian life. Most of them wouldn't have seen a woman's skin.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 9:56pm:

Greensprogress wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:52pm: Yes, but that is Australian statistics and not related to the violent countries the asylum seekers come from. Their war ravaged homes and lives are completely different from anything Australians have ever experienced and they need compassion to help them deal with the trauma. We get country shopping economic migrants from- China Iran Pakistan Who are they at war with?

We're not at war with anyone you need guns or funds to fight a war we have neither.

Asylum seekers are coming from war ravaged countries, silly.  :)

Greensprogress wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 9:52pm:

Yes, but that is Australian statistics and not related to the violent countries the asylum seekers come from. Their war ravaged homes and lives are completely different from anything Australians have ever experienced and they need compassion to help them deal with the trauma.

Compassion separates us from the animal I thought the greens were for being one with nature.
Sorry just being silly Australia is not know for compassion not even to our own.

Greensprogress wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 10:00pm:

They are war with the burgeoning capitalism that is sweeping their countries, but I don't think the Chinese are known for raping women. It would be the Iranians, Pakistanis and others who have been sexually repressed by their regimes. We need to put in special needs centres to help them cope with Australian life. Most of them wouldn't have seen a woman's skin.

I dont think capitalism is sweeping into Iran, when did that become a valid reason for asylum?

Who are china at war with?

Who is Pakistan at war with?

Who are you going to tax to pay for their special needs?

Which is why we need special support systems set up for asylum seekers. You can't just dump them and see how they go. They are traumatised. We have specialist support for the returned armed services. Asylum seekers should receive something similar so they can be part of society without wanting to rape women or cause trouble.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 10:14pm:

Greensprogress wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 10:00pm: They are war with the burgeoning capitalism that is sweeping their countries, but I don't think the Chinese are known for raping women. It would be the Iranians, Pakistanis and others who have been sexually repressed by their regimes. We need to put in special needs centres to help them cope with Australian life. Most of them wouldn't have seen a woman's skin. I dont think capitalism is sweeping into Iran, when did that become a valid reason for asylum? Who are china at war with? Who is Pakistan at war with? Who are you going to tax to pay for their special needs?

We could tax the armed service personnel. I think they get tax free pay, so if we tax them normally, we should have enough money to fund support services and counselling for those troubled souls who are facing sexual assault charges.

Kat wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:30am: Aussie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:02pm: .  Can you tell me why he has not done that? :-? He hasn't got a mandate for one. He can't even get mandated policy through the 'unrepresentative swill' And nor should he. His 'policies' are pure crap, and are anathema to decent, thinking people.

Obviously a doyen of his alma mater with an exquisite command of the English language..... ;D ;D ;D [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif]

Well, at last we know what provoked the riot on Manus Island.

It's taken days for the real truth to come out due to the pro bonos, and the packed scrum of sundry luvvies having desperately tried to keep the cause of the riot a censored secret in order to protect the guilty and to preserve their reputation as 'innocent victims' of the Abbott government, whose moral virtue is spotless.

There's just half a reluctant sentence that explains what provoked the riots, with this buried in amongst pages of 'padding' that hopes to quickly distract the reader away from who are the culprits in this violent saga.


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He says asylum seekers were taunting local staff with highly offensive insults and G4S guards asked the locals to come inside the centre.

No doubt they were taunting the natives with all sorts of references to them being apes and monkeys ~ accompanied by prancing and making monkey sounds.

And this went on for hours, until finally these Muslims got what they deserved.

link

And then the luvvies are calling for sackings .... not a word about this racist and taunting behaviour from these Muslim Neanderthals.

Let's  forget the rhetoric which is resounding around here like a glacier imploding.

KRudd started the Manus Island detention centre, it was his idea and Labor's.

There has been sh.tfest on that island. This is a situation I inherited by the Liberals and they have had to deal with the almighty crap fight Labor left them.

They have done well in extremely trying circumstances.

Morrison has the most explosive portfolio in Cabinet and he is doing a bloody good job. He was misinformed as to the genesis of the riot and that was not his fault. He quickly reassessed and didn't hide the fact that he got it wrong.

What we don't have, is a literal invasion up North anymore, because Abbott has the Navy doing their job and turning back the Indonesian flotilla of Country Shoppers.

Stop bloody whingeing every time there is trouble on Manus Island. Those held there have the right to go back where they came from, they choose to stay there.

Okay, Red ... er ... 'Roger' that!

But it's not the time to draw a smoke-screen over the latest report which says that the Muslims on Anus Island were taunting the local blacks with the most insulting and abusive racist jibes and mockery.

This point needs to be highlighted and brought to the fore of the public's attention ~ and not buried beneath distracting accounts of the rioting itself.

Just the other night the luvvies gathered all across Australia to burn candles in loving memory of the Muslim who got killed by one of his black victims of hours of provocation with racial taunting.

Would they have burned candles if they knew of the anti-black racial taunting from these Muslims?

The report says this racist taunting went on for hours.

Question: Where is the film and the photos of this spectacle? We shouldn't be asked to believe that over a period of hours no news footage was shot by journalists on the island.

Of course footage was shot of this outrageous behaviour, but the luvvies back at the TV stations decided to keep it under wraps so as not to prejudice the reputation of these delinquent Muslims.

And you can be sure the ABC has been a co-conspirator in keeping a lid on the racial abuse that these Muslim ferals had been taunting the locals with.

Aussie wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:25pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:34pm: There is absolutely nothing, nothing in the refugee convention about obligation to permanently re-settle anyone. Nothing. Yes, you are reading it correctly - nothing. We owe permanent settlement to nobody under any convention or treaty or whatever. Read the convention and repent for talking shite. Here it is.  The Convention.  How do you like your crow? Click here.

Be so good as to point me to the bit that say we owe them permanent settlement.

Actually, don't bother looking - there is no such bit.

Who is and is not given permanent settlement in any country is not subject to convention but is entirely a matter for each sovereign nation's own laws. Anything else would b rightly seen as a gross interference in a country's self-determination.



I think it would benefit you if you actually read it. Or if you have, understood it.
As it is, you are at an unbridgeable disadvantage.

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:59pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:25pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:34pm: There is absolutely nothing, nothing in the refugee convention about obligation to permanently re-settle anyone. Nothing. Yes, you are reading it correctly - nothing. We owe permanent settlement to nobody under any convention or treaty or whatever. Read the convention and repent for talking shite. Here it is.  The Convention.  How do you like your crow? Click here. Be so good as to point me to the bit that say we owe them permanent settlement. Actually, don't bother looking - there is no such bit. Who is and is not given permanent settlement in any country is not subject to convention but is entirely a matter for each sovereign nation's own laws. Anything else would b rightly seen as a gross interference in a country's self-determination. I think it would benefit you if you actually read it. Or if you have, understood it. As it is, you are at an unbridgeable disadvantage.

Hey, Arsey, you are awful quiet?

Feeling stupid?

Soren wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 9:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 10:59pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 8:25pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 7:34pm: There is absolutely nothing, nothing in the refugee convention about obligation to permanently re-settle anyone. Nothing. Yes, you are reading it correctly - nothing. We owe permanent settlement to nobody under any convention or treaty or whatever. Read the convention and repent for talking shite. Here it is.  The Convention.  How do you like your crow? Click here. Be so good as to point me to the bit that say we owe them permanent settlement. Actually, don't bother looking - there is no such bit. Who is and is not given permanent settlement in any country is not subject to convention but is entirely a matter for each sovereign nation's own laws. Anything else would b rightly seen as a gross interference in a country's self-determination. I think it would benefit you if you actually read it. Or if you have, understood it. As it is, you are at an unbridgeable disadvantage. Hey, Arsey, you are awful quiet? Feeling stupid?

There are very few laws to obligate people to help others in trouble. The ones I know are international maritime law you must respond to an SOS call and Afghan Pashtun wali that state if some one comes your home in trouble and needs help you must help them even at risk to yourself, there is good illustration of this in the movie called" lone survivor"a true story, Pashtun wali is and Islamic law. You are are correct there is know legal obligation on us to help anyone. We can watch a murder or a rape and are not obligated to do anything most people believe when confronted with witnessing this they will do something. Most people wont do a thing we are becoming a nation of bystanders, we bear witness to wrong doing domestically and abroad a like and are generally a shiiit example to our kids.

Rubin wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 10:21pm:

We can watch a murder or a rape and are not obligated to do anything most people believe when confronted with witnessing this they will do something. Most people wont do a thing we are becoming a nation of bystanders, we bear witness to wrong doing domestically and abroad a like and are generally a shiiit example to our kids.

We do save them from the harm they inflict on each other.

But no matter what angle you look at it from, we do not owe them permanent settlement in Australia. Permanent migration outcome for refugees is not part of any international obligation. THAT is controlled entirely by every country's own legal codes. It is left entirely up to each country to decide who it resettles or not. 

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 1:32pm:

Rubin wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 10:21pm: We can watch a murder or a rape and are not obligated to do anything most people believe when confronted with witnessing this they will do something. Most people wont do a thing we are becoming a nation of bystanders, we bear witness to wrong doing domestically and abroad a like and are generally a shiiit example to our kids. We do save them from the harm they inflict on each other. But no matter what angle you look at it from, we do not owe them permanent settlement in Australia. Permanent migration outcome for refugees is not part of any international obligation. THAT is controlled entirely by every country's own legal codes. It is left entirely up to each country to decide who it resettles or not.

Morrison should be charged with murder for the murder of the refugee on Manus Island.

Greensprogress wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:45pm:

The Greens are right on this. Morrison must be sacked for being mean. And Soren just because there is nothing that says we are obliged doesn't mean we shouldn't.

So what are you doing, personally, about the Indonesian and Amazonian rain forests?
Absolutely nothing. Nothing.
Your contributoin is hot air. Nothing more. Sh!t and hot air.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 11:43am:

Soren wrote on Mar 1st, 2014 at 1:32pm: Rubin wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 10:21pm: We can watch a murder or a rape and are not obligated to do anything most people believe when confronted with witnessing this they will do something. Most people wont do a thing we are becoming a nation of bystanders, we bear witness to wrong doing domestically and abroad a like and are generally a shiiit example to our kids. We do save them from the harm they inflict on each other. But no matter what angle you look at it from, we do not owe them permanent settlement in Australia. Permanent migration outcome for refugees is not part of any international obligation. THAT is controlled entirely by every country's own legal codes. It is left entirely up to each country to decide who it resettles or not.  Morrison should be charged with murder for the murder of the refugee on Manus Island.

You are an idiot.

Soren wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 9:52pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 11:43am: Soren wrote on Mar 1st, 2014 at 1:32pm: Rubin wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 10:21pm: We can watch a murder or a rape and are not obligated to do anything most people believe when confronted with witnessing this they will do something. Most people wont do a thing we are becoming a nation of bystanders, we bear witness to wrong doing domestically and abroad a like and are generally a shiiit example to our kids. We do save them from the harm they inflict on each other. But no matter what angle you look at it from, we do not owe them permanent settlement in Australia. Permanent migration outcome for refugees is not part of any international obligation. THAT is controlled entirely by every country's own legal codes. It is left entirely up to each country to decide who it resettles or not.  Morrison should be charged with murder for the murder of the refugee on Manus Island. You are an idiot.

What level of personal or Ministerial responsibility should he accept?  He is on record saying that he can guarantee the safety of 'transferees' who remain within the 'centre' and abide by the directions of those in control of the 'centre.'  On all reports, the victim who was murdered was in a computer room when those who control the centre attacked him, and killed him.

Aussie wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 5:42pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 9:52pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 11:43am: Soren wrote on Mar 1st, 2014 at 1:32pm: Rubin wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 10:21pm: We can watch a murder or a rape and are not obligated to do anything most people believe when confronted with witnessing this they will do something. Most people wont do a thing we are becoming a nation of bystanders, we bear witness to wrong doing domestically and abroad a like and are generally a shiiit example to our kids. We do save them from the harm they inflict on each other. But no matter what angle you look at it from, we do not owe them permanent settlement in Australia. Permanent migration outcome for refugees is not part of any international obligation. THAT is controlled entirely by every country's own legal codes. It is left entirely up to each country to decide who it resettles or not.  Morrison should be charged with murder for the murder of the refugee on Manus Island. You are an idiot. What level of personal or Ministerial responsibility should he accept?  He is on record saying that he can guarantee the safety of 'transferees' who remain within the 'centre' and abide by the directions of those in control of the 'centre.'  On all reports, the victim who was murdered was in a computer room when those who control the centre attacked him, and killed him.

You seem to know than anyone else - who killed him?

Who did actually kill him? Was he under instructions? Why did he kill him?

Why are you talking rubbish?

Questions, questions.

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You seem to know than anyone else - who killed him?

I know only what I read.  As to who did the killing.  Let's go by process of elimination.  One of his Colleagues?  Unlikely.  One of the regular Centre security?  Possible but reports suggest not.  So who is left?  How about the local goon squad who were (according to reports) invited into the Centre to have their evil way.

But, back to the question which is ~ what level of responsibility, Ministerial or person ought Morrison/Abbott accept?  In my opinion, they each share vicarious responsibility for this death.  They kept the place running, they kept the victim there, they kept G4S there, they guaranteed the safety of anyone who remained in the Centre and complied with directions.


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Who did actually kill him? Was he under instructions? Why did he kill him?

I don't know, but I can come to logical conclusions.  Do you have any faith that any of the several inquiries under way (all run and controlled by vested interests) will allow us anywhere near the truth, especially given the Abbott/Morrison obsession with secrecy and cover up?

Little faith despite the fine words.
Date March 7, 2014

Mike Carlton

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/little-faith-despite-the-fine-words-20140307-34cq8.html#ixzz2vMb7OM91

A friend of mine, a committed Catholic who cares for refugees in this country, sent me these inspiring words. See if you can guess who spoke them.

"From my faith, I derive the values of loving kindness, justice and righteousness, to act with compassion and kindness, acknowledging our common humanity and to consider the welfare of others; to fight for a fair go for everyone to fulfil their human potential and to remove whatever unjust obstacles stand in their way, including diminishing their personal responsibility for their own wellbeing. And to do what is right, to respect the rule of law, the sanctity of human life and the moral integrity of marriage and the family.

"We must recognise an unchanging and absolute standard of what is good and what is evil. Desmond Tutu put it this way: 'we expect Christians . . . to be those who stand up for the truth, to stand up for justice, to stand on the side of the poor and the hungry, the homeless and the naked. And when that happens, then Christians will be trustworthy, believable witnesses.' "

Any idea yet?
The speaker is a minister in Tony Abbott's cabinet.

Here's more. "My vision for Australia is for a nation that is strong, prosperous and generous. Strong in our values and our freedoms, strong in our family and community life, strong in our sense of nationhood and in the institutions that protect and preserve our democracy; prosperous in our enterprise and the careful stewardship of our opportunities, our natural environment and our resources.

"And, above all, generous in spirit; to share our good fortune with others, both at home and overseas, out of compassion and a desire for justice."

Yes, you're right. Step forward Immigration Minister Scott Morrison, whose loving, kindness and generosity of spirit shine as a guiding star to your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.

The words are from his first speech to Parliament as the new Liberal member for the Sydney seat of Cook in 2008. Are you thinking what I'm thinking, B2?


:-?

Aussie wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 7:49pm:

Quote: You seem to know than anyone else - who killed him? I know only what I read.  As to who did the killing.  Let's go by process of elimination.  One of his Colleagues?  Unlikely.  One of the regular Centre security?  Possible but reports suggest not.  So who is left?  How about the local goon squad who were (according to reports) invited into the Centre to have their evil way. But, back to the question which is ~ what level of responsibility, Ministerial or person ought Morrison/Abbott accept?  In my opinion, they each share vicarious responsibility for this death.  They kept the place running, they kept the victim there, they kept G4S there, they guaranteed the safety of anyone who remained in the Centre and complied with directions. [quote]Who did actually kill him? Was he under instructions? Why did he kill him?

I don't know, but I can come to logical conclusions.  Do you have any faith that any of the several inquiries under way (all run and controlled by vested interests) will allow us anywhere near the truth, especially given the Abbott/Morrison obsession with secrecy and cover up? [/quote]


So what happened to your "those who control the centre attacked him, and killed him."?

The thing is, people like you have their brains infected with conspiracy fantasies and dark machinations theories and there is no way you will ever be able to think straight once you have been infected like that. You will want, like a junkie, to have your conspiracies confirmed and nothing else will ever do.

It's a terrible infliction and you have no way to rid yourself of it.

To imply, as you do, that the Department of Immigration or anyone else in Australia would have a hidden interest in having this person or anyone else killed is just so fvckd in the head as to render you automatically impaired for all other grown up functions.

Just ludicrous.

Lobo wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

Little faith despite the fine words. Date March 7, 2014 Mike Carlton Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/little-faith-despite-the-fine-words-20140307-34cq8.html#ixzz2vMb7OM91 A friend of mine, a committed Catholic who cares for refugees in this country, sent me these inspiring words. See if you can guess who spoke them. "From my faith, I derive the values of loving kindness, justice and righteousness, to act with compassion and kindness, acknowledging our common humanity and to consider the welfare of others; to fight for a fair go for everyone to fulfil their human potential and to remove whatever unjust obstacles stand in their way, including diminishing their personal responsibility for their own wellbeing. And to do what is right, to respect the rule of law, the sanctity of human life and the moral integrity of marriage and the family. "We must recognise an unchanging and absolute standard of what is good and what is evil. Desmond Tutu put it this way: 'we expect Christians . . . to be those who stand up for the truth, to stand up for justice, to stand on the side of the poor and the hungry, the homeless and the naked. And when that happens, then Christians will be trustworthy, believable witnesses.' " Any idea yet? The speaker is a minister in Tony Abbott's cabinet. Here's more. "My vision for Australia is for a nation that is strong, prosperous and generous. Strong in our values and our freedoms, strong in our family and community life, strong in our sense of nationhood and in the institutions that protect and preserve our democracy; prosperous in our enterprise and the careful stewardship of our opportunities, our natural environment and our resources. "And, above all, generous in spirit; to share our good fortune with others, both at home and overseas, out of compassion and a desire for justice." Yes, you're right. Step forward Immigration Minister Scott Morrison, whose loving, kindness and generosity of spirit shine as a guiding star to your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The words are from his first speech to Parliament as the new Liberal member for the Sydney seat of Cook in 2008. Are you thinking what I'm thinking, B2? :-?

There is nothing in that speech that says 'I will accommodate every cheat, queue jumper and anyone who elbows his way to the front'.

Note the word 'justice'.

Soren wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 8:22pm:

Lobo wrote on Mar 8th, 2014 at 7:57pm: Little faith despite the fine words. Date March 7, 2014 Mike Carlton Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/little-faith-despite-the-fine-words-20140307-34cq8.html#ixzz2vMb7OM91 A friend of mine, a committed Catholic who cares for refugees in this country, sent me these inspiring words. See if you can guess who spoke them. "From my faith, I derive the values of loving kindness, justice and righteousness, to act with compassion and kindness, acknowledging our common humanity and to consider the welfare of others; to fight for a fair go for everyone to fulfil their human potential and to remove whatever unjust obstacles stand in their way, including diminishing their personal responsibility for their own wellbeing. And to do what is right, to respect the rule of law, the sanctity of human life and the moral integrity of marriage and the family. "We must recognise an unchanging and absolute standard of what is good and what is evil. Desmond Tutu put it this way: 'we expect Christians . . . to be those who stand up for the truth, to stand up for justice, to stand on the side of the poor and the hungry, the homeless and the naked. And when that happens, then Christians will be trustworthy, believable witnesses.' " Any idea yet? The speaker is a minister in Tony Abbott's cabinet. Here's more. "My vision for Australia is for a nation that is strong, prosperous and generous. Strong in our values and our freedoms, strong in our family and community life, strong in our sense of nationhood and in the institutions that protect and preserve our democracy; prosperous in our enterprise and the careful stewardship of our opportunities, our natural environment and our resources. "And, above all, generous in spirit; to share our good fortune with others, both at home and overseas, out of compassion and a desire for justice." Yes, you're right. Step forward Immigration Minister Scott Morrison, whose loving, kindness and generosity of spirit shine as a guiding star to your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The words are from his first speech to Parliament as the new Liberal member for the Sydney seat of Cook in 2008. Are you thinking what I'm thinking, B2? :-? There is nothing in that speech that says 'I will accommodate every cheat, queue jumper and anyone who elbows his way to the front'. Note the word 'justice'.

Did he mention Soren's forebears by name?

Soren wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 8:18pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 8th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Quote: You seem to know than anyone else - who killed him? I know only what I read.  As to who did the killing.  Let's go by process of elimination.  One of his Colleagues?  Unlikely.  One of the regular Centre security?  Possible but reports suggest not.  So who is left?  How about the local goon squad who were (according to reports) invited into the Centre to have their evil way. But, back to the question which is ~ what level of responsibility, Ministerial or person ought Morrison/Abbott accept?  In my opinion, they each share vicarious responsibility for this death.  They kept the place running, they kept the victim there, they kept G4S there, they guaranteed the safety of anyone who remained in the Centre and complied with directions. [quote]Who did actually kill him? Was he under instructions? Why did he kill him? I don't know, but I can come to logical conclusions.  Do you have any faith that any of the several inquiries under way (all run and controlled by vested interests) will allow us anywhere near the truth, especially given the Abbott/Morrison obsession with secrecy and cover up?

Quote:

So what happened to your "those who control the centre attacked him, and killed him."?

Nothing.  It remains an option, but later material I read suggested the part they played was to open the gates to let the goon squad in.


Quote:

The thing is, people like you have their brains infected with conspiracy fantasies and dark machinations theories and there is no way you will ever be able to think straight once you have been infected like that. You will want, like a junkie, to have your conspiracies confirmed and nothing else will ever do.

It's a terrible infliction and you have no way to rid yourself of it.[/quote]

I fantasised this person's death, did I?


Quote:

To imply, as you do, that the Department of Immigration or anyone else in Australia would have a hidden interest in having this person or anyone else killed is just so fvckd in the head as to render you automatically impaired for all other grown up functions.

And you accuse me of fantasy.  Show me where in any post I said or remotely suggested that there was a hidden interest to cause this person's death!  What I did say was ~  what level of responsibility, Ministerial or person ought Morrison/Abbott accept?  In my opinion, they each share vicarious responsibility for this death.  You do know what that means, yes?

Soren wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 8:22pm:

Lobo wrote on Mar 8th, 2014 at 7:57pm: Little faith despite the fine words. Date March 7, 2014 Mike Carlton Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/little-faith-despite-the-fine-words-20140307-34cq8.html#ixzz2vMb7OM91 A friend of mine, a committed Catholic who cares for refugees in this country, sent me these inspiring words. See if you can guess who spoke them. "From my faith, I derive the values of loving kindness, justice and righteousness, to act with compassion and kindness, acknowledging our common humanity and to consider the welfare of others; to fight for a fair go for everyone to fulfil their human potential and to remove whatever unjust obstacles stand in their way, including diminishing their personal responsibility for their own wellbeing. And to do what is right, to respect the rule of law, the sanctity of human life and the moral integrity of marriage and the family. "We must recognise an unchanging and absolute standard of what is good and what is evil. Desmond Tutu put it this way: 'we expect Christians . . . to be those who stand up for the truth, to stand up for justice, to stand on the side of the poor and the hungry, the homeless and the naked. And when that happens, then Christians will be trustworthy, believable witnesses.' " Any idea yet? The speaker is a minister in Tony Abbott's cabinet. Here's more. "My vision for Australia is for a nation that is strong, prosperous and generous. Strong in our values and our freedoms, strong in our family and community life, strong in our sense of nationhood and in the institutions that protect and preserve our democracy; prosperous in our enterprise and the careful stewardship of our opportunities, our natural environment and our resources. "And, above all, generous in spirit; to share our good fortune with others, both at home and overseas, out of compassion and a desire for justice." Yes, you're right. Step forward Immigration Minister Scott Morrison, whose loving, kindness and generosity of spirit shine as a guiding star to your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The words are from his first speech to Parliament as the new Liberal member for the Sydney seat of Cook in 2008. Are you thinking what I'm thinking, B2? :-? There is nothing in that speech that says 'I will accommodate every cheat, queue jumper and anyone who elbows his way to the front'. Note the word 'justice'.

[list bull-blueball]

to act with compassion and kindness

[list bull-blueball]

to fight for a fair go for everyone

[list bull-blueball]

absolute standard of what is good and what is evil

[list bull-blueball]

to stand on the side of the poor and the hungry, the homeless and the naked

[list bull-blueball]

And, above all, generous in spirit; to share our good fortune with others, both at home and overseas


Seems that Morro is a hypocrite and that some people will attempt to excuse anything.

Morrison should face the World Court for his crimes.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:46pm:

Morrison should face the World Court for his crimes.

The UN is looking.

Aussie wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 9th, 2014 at 4:46pm: Morrison should face the World Court for his crimes. The UN is looking.

At what

5.56_ NATO wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 9th, 2014 at 4:50pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 9th, 2014 at 4:46pm: Morrison should face the World Court for his crimes. The UN is looking. At what

Was that a question, or did you forget the 'full stop......' again?

Taipan wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:19pm:

The UN is a NON-GOVERNMENTAL ORGANISATION and whatever document was signed back in 1951 certainly wasn't signed with the population knowing about it. The UN is a rogue anti-White racist organisation created by elitists and Zionists FOR the benefit of elitists and Zionists. They are our enemies.

Nice nazi symbol fits you nicely. I'm sure lots of Australians would support that sentiment  lucky we haven't got enough stupid people to follow this train of though and the ones that do live on the bones of  their Ass in the slums of our cities. So you can't effect any change because you're broke stupid and out numbered. Not anti white just anti white trash the same as any other coloured trash.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:46pm:

the World Court for his crimes.

There's another 40,000 year old Aboriginal/African/tinted tradition.

Aussie wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 8:31am:

What I did say was ~  what level of responsibility, Ministerial or person ought Morrison/Abbott accept?  In my opinion, they each share vicarious responsibility for this death.  You do know what that means, yes?

You are covering your arse now.

This is nothing like what you said.

Aussie wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 5:42pm:

On all reports, the victim who was murdered was in a computer room when those who control the centre attacked him, and killed him.

Mental incontinence, that is.

Soren wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 9:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 9th, 2014 at 8:31am:   What I did say was ~  what level of responsibility, Ministerial or person ought Morrison/Abbott accept?  In my opinion, they each share vicarious responsibility for this death.  You do know what that means, yes? You are covering your arse now. This is nothing like what you said. Aussie wrote on Mar 7th, 2014 at 5:42pm: On all reports, the victim who was murdered was in a computer room when those who control the centre attacked him, and killed him. Mental incontinence, that is.

I'm gonna have to keep a weather eye on you Soren given what is an obvious propensity to  outrageously misrepresent what Posters have actually said in total context.  Taking just one sentence out of a paragraph as you have done is malicious as far as I am concerned.

::)

Aussie wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 9th, 2014 at 4:46pm: Morrison should face the World Court for his crimes. The UN is looking.

So rooster, have they "seen" anything yet ;D when it comes to outrageously  misrepresenting facts ..YOU DA MAN

Greensprogress wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 10:09pm:

Asylum seekers are coming from war ravaged countries, silly.  :)

Who's China, Pakistan or Iran been at war with lately, like in the past three decades?
Silly.
The country shoppers are getting no traction out of Morrison or the Coalition.
He's staying right where he is in the job he does best.
The Greens are nothing but landfill material.
They are only distressed because Morrison's policy works.

Aussie wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 6:13pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 9th, 2014 at 9:55pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 9th, 2014 at 8:31am:   What I did say was ~  what level of responsibility, Ministerial or person ought Morrison/Abbott accept?  In my opinion, they each share vicarious responsibility for this death.  You do know what that means, yes? You are covering your arse now. This is nothing like what you said. Aussie wrote on Mar 7th, 2014 at 5:42pm: On all reports, the victim who was murdered was in a computer room when those who control the centre attacked him, and killed him. Mental incontinence, that is. I'm gonna have to keep a weather eye on you Soren given what is an obvious propensity to  outrageously misrepresent what Posters have actually said in total context.  Taking just one sentence out of a paragraph as you have done is malicious as far as I am concerned. ::)

You sound like some fvckn Labor MP, Jimmy, explaining his late night credit card expenses.

Aussie wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 5:42pm:

On all reports, the victim who was murdered was in a computer room when those who control the centre attacked him, and killed him.

You think emotional incontinence and hyperbolic venting is cheap. And perhaps it is in the circles you move.

Aussie wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 7:49pm:

Quote: You seem to know than anyone else - who killed him? I know only what I read.  As to who did the killing.  Let's go by process of elimination.  One of his Colleagues?  Unlikely.  One of the regular Centre security?  Possible but reports suggest not.  So who is left?  How about the local goon squad who were (according to reports) invited into the Centre to have their evil way. But, back to the question which is ~ what level of responsibility, Ministerial or person ought Morrison/Abbott accept?  In my opinion, they each share vicarious responsibility for this death.  They kept the place running, they kept the victim there, they kept G4S there, they guaranteed the safety of anyone who remained in the Centre and complied with directions. [quote]Who did actually kill him? Was he under instructions? Why did he kill him?

I don't know, but I can come to logical conclusions.  Do you have any faith that any of the several inquiries under way (all run and controlled by vested interests) will allow us anywhere near the truth, especially given the Abbott/Morrison obsession with secrecy and cover up? [/quote]

That is my Post.

Yeas, in an earlier Post, I made reference to that one sentence you want to peg your hat on.  Cease the petty cherry picking Soren, and answer my questions.

Aussie wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 8th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Quote: You seem to know than anyone else - who killed him? I know only what I read.  As to who did the killing.  Let's go by process of elimination.  One of his Colleagues?  Unlikely.  One of the regular Centre security?  Possible but reports suggest not.  So who is left?  How about the local goon squad who were (according to reports) invited into the Centre to have their evil way. But, back to the question which is ~ what level of responsibility, Ministerial or person ought Morrison/Abbott accept?  In my opinion, they each share vicarious responsibility for this death.  They kept the place running, they kept the victim there, they kept G4S there, they guaranteed the safety of anyone who remained in the Centre and complied with directions. [quote]Who did actually kill him? Was he under instructions? Why did he kill him? I don't know, but I can come to logical conclusions.  Do you have any faith that any of the several inquiries under way (all run and controlled by vested interests) will allow us anywhere near the truth, especially given the Abbott/Morrison obsession with secrecy and cover up?

That is my Post.

Yeas, in an earlier Post, I made reference to that one sentence you want to peg your hat on.  Cease the petty cherry picking Soren, and answer my questions.
[/quote]

Morrison has zero responsibility.  Certainly less than garret and the pink batt deaths.

Morrison is getting an order of Australia.
And he is on an enterprise bargaining agreement that he gets 10% of the money saved on Assylum seeker costs. At 8 billion a year, scotty cleans up a cool 800 million.  Money well deserved.

So has anyone listened to the greens on this or is it the usual 'who the f are the greens anyway'

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 9:18pm:

Morrison is getting an order of Australia. And he is on an enterprise bargaining agreement that he gets 10% of the money saved on Assylum seeker costs. At 8 billion a year, scotty cleans up a cool 800 million.  Money well deserved.

I'd send him to prison for breaching our UNHCR obligations.

Aussie wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 10:12pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 9:18pm: Morrison is getting an order of Australia. And he is on an enterprise bargaining agreement that he gets 10% of the money saved on Assylum seeker costs. At 8 billion a year, scotty cleans up a cool 800 million.  Money well deserved. I'd send him to prison for breaching our UNHCR obligations.

Yes, but you are a whining nunga without the capacity to do so ;D ;D So suck it up and go away. Tell us again what your precious UN 'looked into". Thats right ,SFA ::)

Taipan wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 3:49pm:

The Australian Greens say Immigration Minister Scott Morrison should be sacked for misleading the public over Manus Island after rioting at the detention centre. The call comes after Mr Morrison backtracked on claims Iranian man Reza Berati died from injuries sustained outside Australia's facility in Papua New Guinea. He now says it appears the majority of the "riotous behaviour" that led to the death of Berati and injuries to 62 other asylum seekers happened inside the centre's perimeter. ttp:// ews.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/02/23/11/02/morrison-must-explain-himself-labor I love the way the current government is handling the country shopper situation. Better they be rioting and dying than ending up in our country only to commit crimes like murder, rape, pack rape, assault, theft, fraud, ram-raids etc... and add to the segregation, disunity, division and mistrust that multi-racialism brings.

Abbott should pack all the Greenies into hessian bags and deport them. However, who'd welcome these bast'ards?

Aussie wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 10:12pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 9:18pm: Morrison is getting an order of Australia. And he is on an enterprise bargaining agreement that he gets 10% of the money saved on Assylum seeker costs. At 8 billion a year, scotty cleans up a cool 800 million.  Money well deserved. I'd send him to prison for breaching our UNHCR obligations.

I would pack him up with about 8 jars of cranberry sauce and send him off to the US in time for the fourth thursday in November.

Aussie wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 10:12pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 9:18pm: Morrison is getting an order of Australia. And he is on an enterprise bargaining agreement that he gets 10% of the money saved on Assylum seeker costs. At 8 billion a year, scotty cleans up a cool 800 million.  Money well deserved. I'd send him to prison for breaching our UNHCR obligations.

I dont feel obligated and i doubt scott does,  smart fellow that he is.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 11:56am:

Aussie wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 10:12pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 9:18pm: Morrison is getting an order of Australia. And he is on an enterprise bargaining agreement that he gets 10% of the money saved on Assylum seeker costs. At 8 billion a year, scotty cleans up a cool 800 million.  Money well deserved. I'd send him to prison for breaching our UNHCR obligations. I dont feel obligated and i doubt scott does,  smart fellow that he is.

Australia is a signatory to the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees:
In the general principle of international law, treaties in force are binding upon the parties to it and must be performed in good faith. Countries that have ratified the Refugee Convention are obliged to protect refugees that are on their territory, in accordance with its terms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees

Scott, smart fellow that he is - is a Government Minister.  If he cannot meet Australia's legal obligations - he should be sacked.

scott is paid a salary by the australian taxpayer, not the UN.
he is obligated to carry out the will of the people, not the will of the few hand wringing morons who have ever heard of this "UN convention" of which you speak.
I certainly never voted for that or coffee anan or whoever the current moron in charge of the UN is.
Scott knows which side his bread is buttered on.
The luvvies at the UN can kiss his ass.

Why does autocorrect keep changing these cretins and morons into "nice people"
Its really just too much ;)

Aussie wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 10:12pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 9:18pm: Morrison is getting an order of Australia. And he is on an enterprise bargaining agreement that he gets 10% of the money saved on Assylum seeker costs. At 8 billion a year, scotty cleans up a cool 800 million.  Money well deserved. I'd send him to prison for breaching our UNHCR obligations.

Just as well that you drive taxis and have absolutely NOTHING to do with The Law these days, right? ::)

aquascoot wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 2:13pm:

scott is paid a salary by the australian taxpayer, not the UN.

Yes - he is paid a salary by the australian taxpayer to fulfil his duties and serve the country.  He is not doing this by breaking international law and bringing the country into disrepute.


aquascoot wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 2:13pm:

he is obligated to carry out the will of the people,

Yes.  Breaking international law and bringing the country into disrepute is not the will of the people.  He should be sacked.

If breaking international law and bringing the country into disrepute were the will of the people -Tony should have asked the people if they wanted to withdraw Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees.  Tony didn't do that did he.


aquascoot wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 2:13pm:

not the will of the few hand wringing nice people who have ever heard of this "UN convention" of which you speak.

Don't assume all people are as ignorant as you are.  Thankfully - they are not.

Australia is a signatory to the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees.
Scott Morrison is a Minister of the Government of Australia.
If he cannot fulfil Australia's legal obligations - he is failing in his duty.  He should be sacked.


aquascoot wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 2:13pm:

I certainly never voted for that or coffee anan or whoever the current nice person in charge of the UN is.

You voted for a Government that was committed to upholding Australia's international legal obligations.

Unless you voted for a party that had a policy to withdraw Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees.  I don't recall of ever hearing of such a Party.  Certainly the Liberal party never said they would withdraw Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees.



aquascoot wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 2:13pm:

Scott knows which side his bread is buttered on.

No.  I don't think he does.  He is failing badly as a Minister by failing to fulfil the resonsibilities placed upon him.  He should be sacked.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 2:13pm:

The luvvies at the UN can kiss his ass.

Can they?  Well - you be sure to extend that invitation to them.

i believe greg the peck has hacked your computer rabbitoh.

In all seriousness, the UN is a defunct organisation.
Look at Vlad in the crimea.

The UN is a bit of a joke.
I doubt even the people in the UN take it seriously.
I'll bet you that 90 % of voters in the suburbs could not name its head and would not know where its headquarters were.

Scott has our interests at heart.
He has single handedly saved the budget about $8 billion a year and about 1 life every 36 hours from drownings and he has offered hope to GENUINE refugees rotting in camps who didnt selfishly try to elbow their way to the front.

Some of that 8 billion should be used to build a statue to the chap. I would suggest a large statue of scott , in bronze, 50 metres high,holding up his arm , like a policeman signalling you to stop, and placed at the entrance to the port on christmas island.
This would be fitting

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:11am:

i believe greg the peck has hacked your computer rabbitoh. In all seriousness, the UN is a defunct organisation. Look at Vlad in the crimea. The UN is a bit of a joke. I doubt even the people in the UN take it seriously. I'll bet you that 90 % of voters in the suburbs could not name its head and would not know where its headquarters were. Scott has our interests at heart. He has single handedly saved the budget about $8 billion a year and about 1 life every 36 hours from drownings and he has offered hope to GENUINE refugees rotting in camps who didnt selfishly try to elbow their way to the front. Some of that 8 billion should be used to build a statue to the chap. I would suggest a large statue of scott , in bronze, 50 metres high,holding up his arm , like a policeman signalling you to stop, and placed at the entrance to the port on christmas island. This would be fitting

All done illegally.  Easy to do.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:11am:

i believe greg the peck has hacked your computer rabbitoh. In all seriousness, the UN is a defunct organisation. Look at Vlad in the crimea. The UN is a bit of a joke. I doubt even the people in the UN take it seriously. I'll bet you that 90 % of voters in the suburbs could not name its head and would not know where its headquarters were. Scott has our interests at heart. He has single handedly saved the budget about $8 billion a year and about 1 life every 36 hours from drownings and he has offered hope to GENUINE refugees rotting in camps who didnt selfishly try to elbow their way to the front. Some of that 8 billion should be used to build a statue to the chap. I would suggest a large statue of scott , in bronze, 50 metres high,holding up his arm , like a policeman signalling you to stop, and placed at the entrance to the port on christmas island. This would be fitting

If what you say is true - then why doesn't Tony simply withdraw Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees?  Then he can set up all the gulags he wants.

Until he does this though - his Ministers should be responsible for upholding Australia's legal obligations.  If Morrison can't do this - he should be sacked.

Quote:

~ why doesn't Tony simply withdraw Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees?  Then he can set up all the gulags he wants. Until he does this though - his Ministers should be responsible for upholding Australia's legal obligations.  If Morrison can't do this - he should be sacked.

Absolutely correct.  Then, we would have an entirely different debate.

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 12:34pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 7:11am: i believe greg the peck has hacked your computer rabbitoh. In all seriousness, the UN is a defunct organisation. Look at Vlad in the crimea. The UN is a bit of a joke. I doubt even the people in the UN take it seriously. I'll bet you that 90 % of voters in the suburbs could not name its head and would not know where its headquarters were. Scott has our interests at heart. He has single handedly saved the budget about $8 billion a year and about 1 life every 36 hours from drownings and he has offered hope to GENUINE refugees rotting in camps who didnt selfishly try to elbow their way to the front. Some of that 8 billion should be used to build a statue to the chap. I would suggest a large statue of scott , in bronze, 50 metres high,holding up his arm , like a policeman signalling you to stop, and placed at the entrance to the port on christmas island. This would be fitting If what you say is true - then why doesn't Tony simply withdraw Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees?  Then he can set up all the gulags he wants. Until he does this though - his Ministers should be responsible for upholding Australia's legal obligations.  If Morrison can't do this - he should be sacked.

Its just a convention.  has about as much street cred as an Amway party.  Why do a very small per centage of people think the electorate gives a f^^k about the UN.  you're out of touch if you believe that. They dont.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 12:34pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 7:11am: i believe greg the peck has hacked your computer rabbitoh. In all seriousness, the UN is a defunct organisation. Look at Vlad in the crimea. The UN is a bit of a joke. I doubt even the people in the UN take it seriously. I'll bet you that 90 % of voters in the suburbs could not name its head and would not know where its headquarters were. Scott has our interests at heart. He has single handedly saved the budget about $8 billion a year and about 1 life every 36 hours from drownings and he has offered hope to GENUINE refugees rotting in camps who didnt selfishly try to elbow their way to the front. Some of that 8 billion should be used to build a statue to the chap. I would suggest a large statue of scott , in bronze, 50 metres high,holding up his arm , like a policeman signalling you to stop, and placed at the entrance to the port on christmas island. This would be fitting If what you say is true - then why doesn't Tony simply withdraw Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees?  Then he can set up all the gulags he wants. Until he does this though - his Ministers should be responsible for upholding Australia's legal obligations.  If Morrison can't do this - he should be sacked. Its just a convention.  has about as much street cred as an Amway party.  Why do a very small per centage of people think the electorate gives a f^^k about the UN.  you're out of touch if you believe that. They dont.

conventions, which are legally binding instruments concluded under international law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_human_rights_instruments

I wonder what morrisons punishment will be then.
Do tell

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 5:57pm:

I wonder what morrisons punishment will be then. Do tell

For what? Acting illegally?

Aussie wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 6:26pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 5:57pm: I wonder what morrisons punishment will be then. Do tell For what? Acting illegally?

Yep, when are the arrest warrants be issued by this "international court" of which you speak. ;)

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 6:26pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 5:57pm: I wonder what morrisons punishment will be then. Do tell For what? Acting illegally? Yep, when are the arrest warrants be issued by this "international court" of which you speak. ;)

I can't recall mentioning an 'international court.'  Do you reckon Morrison has breached our obligations under that UNHCR Agreement?

Aussie wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 6:45pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 6:38pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 6:26pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 5:57pm: I wonder what morrisons punishment will be then. Do tell For what? Acting illegally? Yep, when are the arrest warrants be issued by this "international court" of which you speak. ;) I can't recall mentioning an 'international court.'  Do you reckon Morrison has breached our obligations under that UNHCR Agreement?

when you say "our ' obligations,  are you implying that everyday aussies  have some sort of obligation to the UN.
i dont think anyone has an obligation to the UN.
its a bit like saying we have obligations to the vatican.
its a bit like saying , morrison upset the pope and he had obligations to the papacy.
No leader of any country cares what the UN says. Its like a sort of "think tank"  .
Russia is on the security counsel and they are about to annex a bit of the ukraine (good for them)  You think vlad cares what the UN says ;)
China is on the UN security counsel too. They enslaved tibet and kicked out the dalai llama.
You really think scotts losing any sleep over the UN :D

You are wasting your time trying to get a straight answer from this one mate, hopefilly he will just sit in his room quietly playing with his UN action figures blithely unaware of the real world.
Make sure you grease those action figures Aussie lest they should get stuck somewhere ;D

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 6:45pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 6:38pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 6:26pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 5:57pm: I wonder what morrisons punishment will be then. Do tell For what? Acting illegally? Yep, when are the arrest warrants be issued by this "international court" of which you speak. ;) I can't recall mentioning an 'international court.'  Do you reckon Morrison has breached our obligations under that UNHCR Agreement? when you say "our ' obligations,  are you implying that everyday aussies  have some sort of obligation to the UN. i dont think anyone has an obligation to the UN. its a bit like saying we have obligations to the vatican. its a bit like saying , morrison upset the pope and he had obligations to the papacy. No leader of any country cares what the UN says. Its like a sort of "think tank"  . Russia is on the security counsel and they are about to annex a bit of the ukraine (good for them)  You think vlad cares what the UN says ;) China is on the UN security counsel too. They enslaved tibet and kicked out the dalai llama. You really think scotts losing any sleep over the UN :D

Are you aware that in 1951, we signed an Agreement to meet  prescribed international obligations?  We, being 'Australia,' us.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 12:34pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 7:11am: i believe greg the peck has hacked your computer rabbitoh. In all seriousness, the UN is a defunct organisation. Look at Vlad in the crimea. The UN is a bit of a joke. I doubt even the people in the UN take it seriously. I'll bet you that 90 % of voters in the suburbs could not name its head and would not know where its headquarters were. Scott has our interests at heart. He has single handedly saved the budget about $8 billion a year and about 1 life every 36 hours from drownings and he has offered hope to GENUINE refugees rotting in camps who didnt selfishly try to elbow their way to the front. Some of that 8 billion should be used to build a statue to the chap. I would suggest a large statue of scott , in bronze, 50 metres high,holding up his arm , like a policeman signalling you to stop, and placed at the entrance to the port on christmas island. This would be fitting If what you say is true - then why doesn't Tony simply withdraw Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees?  Then he can set up all the gulags he wants. Until he does this though - his Ministers should be responsible for upholding Australia's legal obligations.  If Morrison can't do this - he should be sacked. Its just a convention.  has about as much street cred as an Amway party.  Why do a very small per centage of people think the electorate gives a f^^k about the UN.  you're out of touch if you believe that. They dont.

There are only a few Australians like you describe, dearie.

Most Australians I know travel  have international partners, friends and relatives, and care deeply how Australia is seen by the rest of the world.

Australia was instrumental in the establishment of both the League of Nations and the UN. Australians are very outward looking people, largely because we depend so much on foreign trade and overseas markets. We have suckled on the teat of two world powers: Mother England and Amerika, and we will never stand on our own.

We depend on institutions like the UN, APEC, the G20. Our political classes thrive on the membership of these global organizations. As a former colony, it’s in our DNA.

Provincial isolationist hayseeds are quite rare, Aquascoot. In 1901, they were the majority. Now, they make up about 16% of the population.

Sorry dear, Australians are often more in touch with international affairs than their own - far more than Amerikans. 47% of us were born, or have a parent who was born, overseas.

Australians are very sensitive about what other people think of us. We used to call this the cultural cringe.  Many of us faked English accents only a few decades ago.

I’ll bet a few in your local CWA still do, dear.

Karnal wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 5:37pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 12:34pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 7:11am: i believe greg the peck has hacked your computer rabbitoh. In all seriousness, the UN is a defunct organisation. Look at Vlad in the crimea. The UN is a bit of a joke. I doubt even the people in the UN take it seriously. I'll bet you that 90 % of voters in the suburbs could not name its head and would not know where its headquarters were. Scott has our interests at heart. He has single handedly saved the budget about $8 billion a year and about 1 life every 36 hours from drownings and he has offered hope to GENUINE refugees rotting in camps who didnt selfishly try to elbow their way to the front. Some of that 8 billion should be used to build a statue to the chap. I would suggest a large statue of scott , in bronze, 50 metres high,holding up his arm , like a policeman signalling you to stop, and placed at the entrance to the port on christmas island. This would be fitting If what you say is true - then why doesn't Tony simply withdraw Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees?  Then he can set up all the gulags he wants. Until he does this though - his Ministers should be responsible for upholding Australia's legal obligations.  If Morrison can't do this - he should be sacked. Its just a convention.  has about as much street cred as an Amway party.  Why do a very small per centage of people think the electorate gives a f^^k about the UN.  you're out of touch if you believe that. They dont. There are only a few Australians like you describe, dearie. Most Australians I know travel  have international partners, friends and relatives, and care deeply how Australia is seen by the rest of the world. Australia was instrumental in the establishment of both the League of Nations and the UN. Australians are very outward looking people, largely because we depend so much on foreign trade and overseas markets. We have suckled on the teat of two world powers: Mother England and Amerika, and we will never stand on our own. We depend on institutions like the UN, APEC, the G20. Our political classes thrive on the membership of these global organizations. As a former colony, it’s in our DNA. Provincial isolationist hayseeds are quite rare, Aquascoot. In 1901, they were the majority. Now, they make up about 16% of the population. Sorry dear, Australians are often more in touch with international affairs than their own - far more than Amerikans. 47% of us were born, or have a parent who was born, overseas. Australians are very sensitive about what other people think of us. We used to call this the cultural cringe.  Many of us faked English accents only a few decades ago. I’ll bet a few in your local CWA still do, dear.

Your own feigned 'insightfulness' is itself a sign of deep cultural cringe.

Being a Paki Bvgger, you are not quite up there with the Joneses, even as you are up 'em.

Karnal wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 5:37pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 12:34pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 7:11am: i believe greg the peck has hacked your computer rabbitoh. In all seriousness, the UN is a defunct organisation. Look at Vlad in the crimea. The UN is a bit of a joke. I doubt even the people in the UN take it seriously. I'll bet you that 90 % of voters in the suburbs could not name its head and would not know where its headquarters were. Scott has our interests at heart. He has single handedly saved the budget about $8 billion a year and about 1 life every 36 hours from drownings and he has offered hope to GENUINE refugees rotting in camps who didnt selfishly try to elbow their way to the front. Some of that 8 billion should be used to build a statue to the chap. I would suggest a large statue of scott , in bronze, 50 metres high,holding up his arm , like a policeman signalling you to stop, and placed at the entrance to the port on christmas island. This would be fitting If what you say is true - then why doesn't Tony simply withdraw Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees?  Then he can set up all the gulags he wants. Until he does this though - his Ministers should be responsible for upholding Australia's legal obligations.  If Morrison can't do this - he should be sacked. Its just a convention.  has about as much street cred as an Amway party.  Why do a very small per centage of people think the electorate gives a f^^k about the UN.  you're out of touch if you believe that. They dont. There are only a few Australians like you describe, dearie. Most Australians I know travel  have international partners, friends and relatives, and care deeply how Australia is seen by the rest of the world. Australia was instrumental in the establishment of both the League of Nations and the UN. Australians are very outward looking people, largely because we depend so much on foreign trade and overseas markets. We have suckled on the teat of two world powers: Mother England and Amerika, and we will never stand on our own. We depend on institutions like the UN, APEC, the G20. Our political classes thrive on the membership of these global organizations. As a former colony, it’s in our DNA. Provincial isolationist hayseeds are quite rare, Aquascoot. In 1901, they were the majority. Now, they make up about 16% of the population. Sorry dear, Australians are often more in touch with international affairs than their own - far more than Amerikans. 47% of us were born, or have a parent who was born, overseas. Australians are very sensitive about what other people think of us. We used to call this the cultural cringe.  Many of us faked English accents only a few decades ago. I’ll bet a few in your local CWA still do, dear.

No one fakes English accents where I press the flesh cobber.
I suspect you're wrong on this one.

A test.

Get Roy Morgan to put this question in his next opinion poll

"If the UN says offshore processing breaches our obligations but minister Morrison says it has reduced boat arrivals to zero, then mr Morrison must do what the UN says as UN is a higher authority than the federal government,"

I suspect 70 % will back Morrison and 30% the UN.

Thoughts  :)

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 6:45pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 6:38pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 6:26pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 5:57pm: I wonder what morrisons punishment will be then. Do tell For what? Acting illegally? Yep, when are the arrest warrants be issued by this "international court" of which you speak. ;) I can't recall mentioning an 'international court.'  Do you reckon Morrison has breached our obligations under that UNHCR Agreement? when you say "our ' obligations,  are you implying that everyday aussies  have some sort of obligation to the UN.

The Australian government has a legally binding obligation to Conventions it is signatory to.  Such as the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees


aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

i dont think anyone has an obligation to the UN.

The Australian government has a legally binding obligation to Conventions it is signatory to.  Such as the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

its a bit like saying we have obligations to the vatican. its a bit like saying , morrison upset the pope and he had obligations to the papacy.

Is Australia signatory to any legally binding Conventions with the Vatican?

The Australian government has a legally binding obligation to Conventions it is signatory to.  Such as the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees


aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

No leader of any country cares what the UN says. Its like a sort of "think tank"  .

The Australian government has a legally binding obligation to Conventions it is signatory to.  Such as the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees


aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

Russia is on the security counsel and they are about to annex a bit of the ukraine (good for them)  You think vlad cares what the UN says ;) China is on the UN security counsel too. They enslaved tibet and kicked out the dalai llama.

Try to stay on topic

The Australian government has a legally binding obligation to Conventions it is signatory to.  Such as the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees


aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

You really think scotts losing any sleep over the UN :D

If he is unable to ensure that Australia can comply with the legally binding obligations of the Conventions it is signatory to, such as the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees - then he is failing in his Ministerial duites and should be sacked.

And we are still waiting for an answer from you.  Why doesn't Tony simply withdraw Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees?  Then he can set up all the gulags he wants.

Come on - use this vast knowledge of international relations you seem to possess and try to answer that question for us.  Could you do that?

Christine "my face looks like a pile of stinking cow sh!t" Milne should sack herself and everyone in the Greens. After all, it's their support for onshore processing under Labor that contributed to the surge in boat arrivals and thousands of deaths at sea. Under Abbott, there hasn't been a boat arrive (or sink, or people die at sea) in more than 80 days!

aquascoot wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 5:31am:

Karnal wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 8:31pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 5:37pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 12:34pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 7:11am: i believe greg the peck has hacked your computer rabbitoh. In all seriousness, the UN is a defunct organisation. Look at Vlad in the crimea. The UN is a bit of a joke. I doubt even the people in the UN take it seriously. I'll bet you that 90 % of voters in the suburbs could not name its head and would not know where its headquarters were. Scott has our interests at heart. He has single handedly saved the budget about $8 billion a year and about 1 life every 36 hours from drownings and he has offered hope to GENUINE refugees rotting in camps who didnt selfishly try to elbow their way to the front. Some of that 8 billion should be used to build a statue to the chap. I would suggest a large statue of scott , in bronze, 50 metres high,holding up his arm , like a policeman signalling you to stop, and placed at the entrance to the port on christmas island. This would be fitting If what you say is true - then why doesn't Tony simply withdraw Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees?  Then he can set up all the gulags he wants. Until he does this though - his Ministers should be responsible for upholding Australia's legal obligations.  If Morrison can't do this - he should be sacked. Its just a convention.  has about as much street cred as an Amway party.  Why do a very small per centage of people think the electorate gives a f^^k about the UN.  you're out of touch if you believe that. They dont. There are only a few Australians like you describe, dearie. Most Australians I know travel  have international partners, friends and relatives, and care deeply how Australia is seen by the rest of the world. Australia was instrumental in the establishment of both the League of Nations and the UN. Australians are very outward looking people, largely because we depend so much on foreign trade and overseas markets. We have suckled on the teat of two world powers: Mother England and Amerika, and we will never stand on our own. We depend on institutions like the UN, APEC, the G20. Our political classes thrive on the membership of these global organizations. As a former colony, it’s in our DNA. Provincial isolationist hayseeds are quite rare, Aquascoot. In 1901, they were the majority. Now, they make up about 16% of the population. Sorry dear, Australians are often more in touch with international affairs than their own - far more than Amerikans. 47% of us were born, or have a parent who was born, overseas. Australians are very sensitive about what other people think of us. We used to call this the cultural cringe.  Many of us faked English accents only a few decades ago. I’ll bet a few in your local CWA still do, dear. No one fakes English accents where I press the flesh cobber. I suspect you're wrong on this one. A test. Get Roy Morgan to put this question in his next opinion poll "If the UN says offshore processing breaches our obligations but minister Morrison says it has reduced boat arrivals to zero, then mr Morrison must do what the UN says as UN is a higher authority than the federal government," I suspect 70 % will back Morrison and 30% the UN. Thoughts  :)

Try to follow the conversation.  The UN is a not a "higher authority" than the federal government.  The Federal Government has obligations under International Law to comply with the legally binding Conventions it is signatory to.

Do you think Tony should withdraw Australia from Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees?  Then he and Scotty could do whatever they liked.  Why hasn't he done that?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 7:52am:

Christine "my face looks like a pile of stinking cow sh!t" Milne should sack herself and everyone in the Greens. After all, it's their support for onshore processing under Labor that contributed to the surge in boat arrivals and thousands of deaths at sea. Under Abbott, there hasn't been a boat arrive (or sink, or people die at sea) in more than 80 days!

A report on news.com.au yesterday revealed asylum seekers including children and teenagers were physically shoved inside an Australian Navy lifeboat and escorted back to Indonesian waters by Border Protection Command who then abandoned them. The boat came ashore at a sparsely inhabited jungle reserve.

Three asylum seekers are reported to have died “while crossing a river in the jungle” in their attempt to seek assistance after coming ashore.

http://rac-vic.org/2014/02/01/media-release-three-asylum-seekers-dead-after-boat-turn-back-abbott-has-blood-on-his-hands/

The boats are still coming.  People are still dying.  Your government just isn't telling you about it

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 7:49am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 7:34pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 6:45pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 6:38pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 6:26pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 5:57pm: I wonder what morrisons punishment will be then. Do tell For what? Acting illegally? Yep, when are the arrest warrants be issued by this "international court" of which you speak. ;) I can't recall mentioning an 'international court.'  Do you reckon Morrison has breached our obligations under that UNHCR Agreement? when you say "our ' obligations,  are you implying that everyday aussies  have some sort of obligation to the UN. The Australian government has a legally binding obligation to Conventions it is signatory to.  Such as the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 7:34pm: i dont think anyone has an obligation to the UN. The Australian government has a legally binding obligation to Conventions it is signatory to.  Such as the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 7:34pm: its a bit like saying we have obligations to the vatican. its a bit like saying , morrison upset the pope and he had obligations to the papacy. Is Australia signatory to any legally binding Conventions with the Vatican? The Australian government has a legally binding obligation to Conventions it is signatory to.  Such as the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 7:34pm: No leader of any country cares what the UN says. Its like a sort of "think tank"  . The Australian government has a legally binding obligation to Conventions it is signatory to.  Such as the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 7:34pm: Russia is on the security counsel and they are about to annex a bit of the ukraine (good for them)  You think vlad cares what the UN says ;) China is on the UN security counsel too. They enslaved tibet and kicked out the dalai llama. Try to stay on topic The Australian government has a legally binding obligation to Conventions it is signatory to.  Such as the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees aquascoot wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 7:34pm: You really think scotts losing any sleep over the UN :D If he is unable to ensure that Australia can comply with the legally binding obligations of the Conventions it is signatory to, such as the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees - then he is failing in his Ministerial duites and should be sacked. And we are still waiting for an answer from you.  Why doesn't Tony simply withdraw Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees?  Then he can set up all the gulags he wants. Come on - use this vast knowledge of international relations you seem to possess and try to answer that question for us.  Could you do that?

I think you went to school with peccker :D :D.

Theres all this legally binding mumbo jumbo and then theres the real situation.
the real situation is this.
The UN is a toothless tiger.
If abbott and scotty have broken some law, are they facing some penalties for doing so.
Is vlad

The UN should stick to having pheasant and truffles in 6 star hotels and scott and tony should stick to tending to australia,
This is what i expect of them as a tax payer , a patriot and a voter/shareholder in AUSTRALIA PTY LTD.

If the UN come after my CEO (mr abbott) i will happily pay taxes to ensure he gets the very best legal representation.
As his deputy scott has saved us taxpayer $8 Billion, he should be able to afford quite a legal team and his defence based on the saved lives is quite compelling ;)

aquascoot wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 8:09am:

If the UN come after my CEO (mr abbott) i will happily pay taxes to ensure he gets the very best legal representation. As his deputy scott has saved us taxpayer $8 Billion, he should be able to afford quite a legal team and his defence based on the saved lives is quite compelling

Where did you drag this $8 billion up from? Link please.

So far Abbott has sent back 2 boatloads of refugees only. The Manus Island solution was Rudd's solution - not Abbott's - yet he is taking credit for it.

In the meantime - we will be inundated with refugees coming by plane most of them probably using fake passports which will cost them less than paying the people smugglers - and it will be more difficult for us to track them down.

On top of this we have to cope with the extra 457 visa workers - many of whom lie about their skills.

Australia's population burgeoned more quickly under Howard than it did under a Labor government. The Abbott government will increase our population far quicker than anything we've seen before.

Population - 1996 = 17.8 million

..................2007 = 21.2 million

..................2013 = 23.0 million

Labor .3% increase - Coalition .36% increase

http://www.populstat.info/Oceania/australc.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Australia

I doubt most aussies see a problem with the plane arrivals.
or the visa overstays or the 457's

Lots of good fruit picking , irish and english students, re invigorating our country towns.

Young, vibrant, optimistic, spending all they earn in their rural centres.

Just  a win/win/win from where i sit.

Boatfuls of lip sewers, fake reffos who walk with military bearing and are undoubtedly straight out of some brutal regime in the middle east, sri lankans in brand new cricket tracksuits , sponsored by their tamil relatives in western sydney.

Just lose/lose/lose from where i sit.

I dont mind a big australia as long as we fill it with positive hard working judeo christians and east asian buddhists and confuscians.

The donkey whipping, woman hating, 14th century developed angry , spiteful jihadists can go to Manus for an ass whipping

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 7:56am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13th, 2014 at 7:52am: Christine "my face looks like a pile of stinking cow sh!t" Milne should sack herself and everyone in the Greens. After all, it's their support for onshore processing under Labor that contributed to the surge in boat arrivals and thousands of deaths at sea. Under Abbott, there hasn't been a boat arrive (or sink, or people die at sea) in more than 80 days! A report on news.com.au yesterday revealed asylum seekers including children and teenagers were physically shoved inside an Australian Navy lifeboat and escorted back to Indonesian waters by Border Protection Command who then abandoned them. The boat came ashore at a sparsely inhabited jungle reserve. Three asylum seekers are reported to have died “while crossing a river in the jungle” in their attempt to seek assistance after coming ashore. http://rac-vic.org/2014/02/01/media-release-three-asylum-seekers-dead-after-boat-turn-back-abbott-has-blood-on-his-hands/ The boats are still coming.  People are still dying.  Your government just isn't telling you about it

First of all, I have no problem whatsoever with the Navy forcing those people into the lifeboat. It means we won't have to drag their asses out of the water when the Indonesian boat they're on sinks. Secondly, no one forced them to come, so anything that happens back in Indonesia after they've arrived safely from being turned around is on them. Abbott didn't force them to try to come here - he actively discourages it. Your argument is like me being robbed by a drug addict who saw me withdraw $100 from an ATM. Just because I have $100, doesn't give the addict the right to take it from me at knife point! Same applies here, after they've been warned not to come by Abbott and Morrison.

Also, you'll note in the story your action group provided a link to, that as soon as the illegals spotted a Navy vessel, they immediately went about sabotaging the boat. The Navy tried to fix the boat, but it was beyond repair. They were then put into the lifeboat and the Indonesian crew in the lifeboat chose the most remote spot they could find to land the lifeboat. Can't have potential new customers seeing them return with a boat full of passengers following a failed voyage! They claim that three died, but have no way of proving that. It's likely another lie.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 8:48am:

I doubt most aussies see a problem with the plane arrivals. or the visa overstays or the 457's Lots of good fruit picking , irish and english students, re invigorating our country towns. Young, vibrant, optimistic, spending all they earn in their rural centres. Just  a win/win/win from where i sit. Boatfuls of lip sewers, fake reffos who walk with military bearing and are undoubtedly straight out of some brutal regime in the middle east, sri lankans in brand new cricket tracksuits , sponsored by their tamil relatives in western sydney. Just lose/lose/lose from where i sit. I dont mind a big australia as long as we fill it with positive hard working judeo christians and east asian buddhists and confuscians. The donkey whipping, woman hating, 14th century developed angry , spiteful jihadists can go to Manus for an ass whipping

At least this poster is honest,the conga line don't care about people being here illegally,they only care about people that are not white seeking asylum.

No boats

No drownings

Starting to get the Labor foul up Manus Island sorted

Seems like everything is working swingingly

skippy. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 9:27am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 13th, 2014 at 8:48am: I doubt most aussies see a problem with the plane arrivals. or the visa overstays or the 457's Lots of good fruit picking , irish and english students, re invigorating our country towns. Young, vibrant, optimistic, spending all they earn in their rural centres. Just  a win/win/win from where i sit. Boatfuls of lip sewers, fake reffos who walk with military bearing and are undoubtedly straight out of some brutal regime in the middle east, sri lankans in brand new cricket tracksuits , sponsored by their tamil relatives in western sydney. Just lose/lose/lose from where i sit. I dont mind a big australia as long as we fill it with positive hard working judeo christians and east asian buddhists and confuscians. The donkey whipping, woman hating, 14th century developed angry , spiteful jihadists can go to Manus for an ass whipping At least this poster is honest,the conga line don't care about people being here illegally,they only care about people that are not white seeking asylum.

Footy coaches target elite players.
We need to do the same .
Elite technicians and scientists from scandinavia , germany and denmark should always be welcome .
We need to improve our team
Recruit the right people.
This is not rocket science
I would like to import an elite quarterhorse stallion from texas.
I'm not interested in importing a donkey stallion from iraq ;)

aquascoot wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 8:48am:

I doubt most aussies see a problem with the plane arrivals. or the visa overstays or the 457's Lots of good fruit picking , irish and english students, re invigorating our country towns.

You're only talking about visa overstayers. I doubt you would find too many Irish or English students using fake passports, 457 visas or establishing a flourishing black market workforce.

We have always been told that terrorists come by plane - not by boat. You have to wonder where all the confiscated passports taken from the boat people go. Are they sold to potential terrorists?

At least we eventually find out who the genuine refugees are, but we haven't got a clue who uses a stolen passport unless they're caught. In fact - stolen passports aren't even monitored. There is no data base for stolen passports because catching these illegal aliens has been put into the too hard basket by most countries, including Australia.

mantra wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 9:47am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 13th, 2014 at 8:48am: I doubt most aussies see a problem with the plane arrivals. or the visa overstays or the 457's Lots of good fruit picking , irish and english students, re invigorating our country towns. You're only talking about visa overstayers. I doubt you would find too many Irish or English students using fake passports, 457 visas or establishing a flourishing black market workforce. We have always been told that terrorists come by plane - not by boat. You have to wonder where all the confiscated passports taken from the boat people go. Are they sold to potential terrorists? At least we eventually find out who the genuine refugees are, but we haven't got a clue who uses a stolen passport unless they're caught. In fact - stolen passports aren't even monitored. There is no data base for stolen passports because catching these illegal aliens has been put into the too hard basket by most countries, including Australia.

Hmmm,  good point.
Worthy of investigation

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

No boats No drownings Starting to get the Labor foul up Manus Island sorted Seems like everything is working swingingly

Boats are still coming.

That is why the Navy is still out there towing them back

The only thing that has stopped is the information from our government.

Just because the government is keeping secrets from you - doesn't mean that the asylum seekers have magically disappeared.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 9:18am:

Also, you'll note in the story your action group provided a link to, that as soon as the illegals spotted a Navy vessel, they immediately went about sabotaging the boat. The Navy tried to fix the boat, but it was beyond repair. They were then put into the lifeboat and the Indonesian crew in the lifeboat chose the most remote spot they could find to land the lifeboat. Can't have potential new customers seeing them return with a boat full of passengers following a failed voyage! They claim that three died, but have no way of proving that. It's likely another lie.

Who are these "illegals" you are talking about?

What are they doing that is "illegal"?

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

No boats Seems like everything is working swingingly

so why are the Navy and customs out there?  .....  :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 13th, 2014 at 9:30am: No boats Seems like everything is working swingingly so why are the Navy and customs out there?  .....  :D :D :D

Patrolling the area of course.
You forget long range radar wont pick up wooden hulled boats.
They have no choice but to patrol.

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 5:01pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 13th, 2014 at 9:30am: No boats No drownings Starting to get the Labor foul up Manus Island sorted Seems like everything is working swingingly Boats are still coming. That is why the Navy is still out there towing them back The only thing that has stopped is the information from our government. Just because the government is keeping secrets from you - doesn't mean that the asylum seekers have magically disappeared.

You mean the only thing that has stopped is the information from our government about the boats that aren't arriving surely.
You usually believe in conspiracy theories?
If country shoppers were secretively being sent to Manus or Nauru, reports from individuals would have been sent to Australian media sources one way or the other.
If country shoppers were secretively being sent back to Indonesia, reports from Indonesian media or their government would have been sent.
It must be hard not being able to accept that the Coalition's policy works.

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 5:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13th, 2014 at 9:18am: Also, you'll note in the story your action group provided a link to, that as soon as the illegals spotted a Navy vessel, they immediately went about sabotaging the boat. The Navy tried to fix the boat, but it was beyond repair. They were then put into the lifeboat and the Indonesian crew in the lifeboat chose the most remote spot they could find to land the lifeboat. Can't have potential new customers seeing them return with a boat full of passengers following a failed voyage! They claim that three died, but have no way of proving that. It's likely another lie. Who are these "illegals" you are talking about? What are they doing that is "illegal"?

You know!  ;) Oh, and I love how you continue to focus on what these people are called rather than fixing Labor's monumental policy failure.

John Smith wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 13th, 2014 at 9:30am: No boats Seems like everything is working swingingly so why are the Navy and customs out there?  .....  :D :D :D

Yeah, lets just pack up and go home and let them start coming again when no one is out there to deter them!

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 13th, 2014 at 5:01pm: red baron wrote on Mar 13th, 2014 at 9:30am: No boats No drownings Starting to get the Labor foul up Manus Island sorted Seems like everything is working swingingly Boats are still coming. That is why the Navy is still out there towing them back The only thing that has stopped is the information from our government. Just because the government is keeping secrets from you - doesn't mean that the asylum seekers have magically disappeared. You mean the only thing that has stopped is the information from our government about the boats that aren't arriving surely. You usually believe in conspiracy theories? If country shoppers were secretively being sent to Manus or Nauru, reports from individuals would have been sent to Australian media sources one way or the other. If country shoppers were secretively being sent back to Indonesia, reports from Indonesian media or their government would have been sent. It must be hard not being able to accept that the Coalition's policy works.

Boats are being towed to Indonesia:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-08/asylum-seekers-on-boats-turned-back-to-indonesia-speak/5191024
http://media.smh.com.au/news/world-news/asylum-seeker-boat-towed-back-to-indonesia-5142647.html
https://sslcam.news.com.au/cam/authorise?channel=pc&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.theaustralian.com.au%2fnational-affairs%2fpolicy%2fnavy-now-towing-back-the-boats%2fstory-fn9hm1gu-1226797698285
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/is-the-australian-navy-turning-back-asylum-seeker-boats
http://tribune.com.pk/story/675978/australia-turns-away-asylum-seekers-to-indonesia-in-lifeboat/
http://www.arabnews.com/news/531946

So - let's get this straight.  All this hand-wringing about people in boats is just garbage isn't it.  Boats are still coming - and being turned back.  But they haven't "stopped".

They have only stopped reaching Australia.  That is all you care about - isn't it.  Be honest.  You just want to shut your eyes to the issue of asylum seekers - so Tony's "stop the information" policy is all you need.

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 10:44am:

They have only stopped reaching Australia.  That is all you care about - isn't it.  Be honest.  You just want to shut your eyes to the issue of asylum seekers - so Tony's "stop the information" policy is all you need.

What's the "progressives'" solution? They have none either. Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here doesn't solve the issue. The root problem still occurs and all we get is the aftermath of it.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 10:44am: They have only stopped reaching Australia.  That is all you care about - isn't it.  Be honest.  You just want to shut your eyes to the issue of asylum seekers - so Tony's "stop the information" policy is all you need. What's the "progressives'" solution? They have none either. Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here doesn't solve the issue. The root problem still occurs and all we get is the aftermath of it.

Who has ever suggested "Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here "?!?!  Telling lies doesn't solve the issue either.

Here is the Greens policy on asylum seekers:
http://greens.org.au/policies/immigration-refugees
Where does it say:
"Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here "?!?!

Or maybe we could even go with Clive Palmer's ideas -

Mining magnate Clive Palmer says the Federal Government should allow asylum seekers to fly to Australia to have their claims processed.

"All that needs to happen is that the Government needs to stop telling airlines and other people not to give people safe transport.

"If they come down here and if they're refugees, that's one thing. If they haven't got a legitimate claim, they can go right back on the plane the next day."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-30/let-asylum-seekers-fly-to-australia-palmer/4102422

Nobody is saying - "Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here.  You simply made that up.

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 4:55pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 11:29am: rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 10:44am: They have only stopped reaching Australia.  That is all you care about - isn't it.  Be honest.  You just want to shut your eyes to the issue of asylum seekers - so Tony's "stop the information" policy is all you need. What's the "progressives'" solution? They have none either. Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here doesn't solve the issue. The root problem still occurs and all we get is the aftermath of it. Who has ever suggested "Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here "?!?!  Telling lies doesn't solve the issue either. Here is the Greens policy on asylum seekers: http://greens.org.au/policies/immigration-refugees Where does it say: "Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here "?!?! Or maybe we could even go with Clive Palmer's ideas - Mining magnate Clive Palmer says the Federal Government should allow asylum seekers to fly to Australia to have their claims processed. "All that needs to happen is that the Government needs to stop telling airlines and other people not to give people safe transport. "If they come down here and if they're refugees, that's one thing. If they haven't got a legitimate claim, they can go right back on the plane the next day." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-30/let-asylum-seekers-fly-to-australia-palmer/4102422 Nobody is saying - "Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here.  You simply made that up.

Any time someone makes a comment on restricting asylum seekers coming here, the "progressives" go batsh*t crazy. I can only conclude from their hysteria that they have no objection to complete open borders.

"Progressives" never actually state a quota or number. If they do, they know they'll have to start making hard decisions on who should be rejected. They don't want to have that conversation, so they heckle from the side line toward those who do.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 4:55pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 11:29am: rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 10:44am: They have only stopped reaching Australia.  That is all you care about - isn't it.  Be honest.  You just want to shut your eyes to the issue of asylum seekers - so Tony's "stop the information" policy is all you need. What's the "progressives'" solution? They have none either. Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here doesn't solve the issue. The root problem still occurs and all we get is the aftermath of it. Who has ever suggested "Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here "?!?!  Telling lies doesn't solve the issue either. Here is the Greens policy on asylum seekers: http://greens.org.au/policies/immigration-refugees Where does it say: "Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here "?!?! Or maybe we could even go with Clive Palmer's ideas - Mining magnate Clive Palmer says the Federal Government should allow asylum seekers to fly to Australia to have their claims processed. "All that needs to happen is that the Government needs to stop telling airlines and other people not to give people safe transport. "If they come down here and if they're refugees, that's one thing. If they haven't got a legitimate claim, they can go right back on the plane the next day." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-30/let-asylum-seekers-fly-to-australia-palmer/4102422 Nobody is saying - "Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here.  You simply made that up. Any time someone makes a comment on restricting asylum seekers coming here, the "progressives" go batsh*t crazy. I can only conclude from their hysteria that they have no objection to complete open borders.

Any time someone makes a comment that "progressives" have no objection to complete open borders, I can only conclude from their hysteria that they are completely clueless.

Now - concentrate - who exactly has ever suggested "Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here.

Anyone at all?  Ever?

Or it that just what your xenophobia makes you "think" people are saying?

What exactly is wrong with Australia fulfilling its legal obligations under the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees in a humane and effective manner?

Where exactly in the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees does it say that we must be Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here???

Read reply 116.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 5:17pm:

"Progressives" never actually state a quota or number. If they do, they know they'll have to start making hard decisions on who should be rejected. They don't want to have that conversation, so they heckle from the side line toward those who do.

Are you telling lies on purpose?

Or are you just too lazy to bother to actually learn about stuff before opening your big mouth?


From the Greens website:
We will increase Australia's humanitarian intake to 30,000, which will make a difference and provide hope to people waiting.
By resettling to Australia an emergency intake of 10,000 more genuine refugees from our region, we can show refugees that there is a ‘regular’ path to a safe life.

http://greens.org.au/safer-pathways

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 5:26pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:17pm: "Progressives" never actually state a quota or number. If they do, they know they'll have to start making hard decisions on who should be rejected. They don't want to have that conversation, so they heckle from the side line toward those who do. Are you telling lies on purpose? Or are you just too lazy to bother to actually learn about stuff before opening your big mouth? From the Greens website: We will increase Australia's humanitarian intake to 30,000, which will make a difference and provide hope to people waiting. By resettling to Australia an emergency intake of 10,000 more genuine refugees from our region, we can show refugees that there is a ‘regular’ path to a safe life. http://greens.org.au/safer-pathways

and when this quota is reached and the boats keep pouring in?

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 7:54am:

Try to follow the conversation.  The UN is a not a "higher authority" than the federal government.  The Federal Government has obligations under International Law to comply with the legally binding Conventions it is signatory to. Do you think Tony should withdraw Australia from Australia from the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees?  Then he and Scotty could do whatever they liked.  Why hasn't he done that?

There is no obligation to permanently resettle anyone under any international covenant.
This is important. Focus. Don't ignore it.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:26pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:17pm: "Progressives" never actually state a quota or number. If they do, they know they'll have to start making hard decisions on who should be rejected. They don't want to have that conversation, so they heckle from the side line toward those who do. Are you telling lies on purpose? Or are you just too lazy to bother to actually learn about stuff before opening your big mouth? From the Greens website: We will increase Australia's humanitarian intake to 30,000, which will make a difference and provide hope to people waiting. By resettling to Australia an emergency intake of 10,000 more genuine refugees from our region, we can show refugees that there is a ‘regular’ path to a safe life. http://greens.org.au/safer-pathways and when this quota is reached and the boats keep pouring in?

You didn't answer the question. Are you telling lies on purpose?  Or are you just too lazy to bother to actually learn about stuff before opening your big mouth?


You have made 2 statements that you cannot support,:

- "Progressives" never actually state a quota or number.- - And "Progressives" are all for Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here

I think you need to apologise for telling lies before you start trying to ask any questions yourself.  That is reasonable isn't it?


And WTF is a "progressive" anyway?!?! - How does wanting Australia to meet it international legal obligations make one "progressive"?

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 5:26pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:17pm: "Progressives" never actually state a quota or number. If they do, they know they'll have to start making hard decisions on who should be rejected. They don't want to have that conversation, so they heckle from the side line toward those who do. Are you telling lies on purpose? Or are you just too lazy to bother to actually learn about stuff before opening your big mouth? From the Greens website: We will increase Australia's humanitarian intake to 30,000, which will make a difference and provide hope to people waiting. By resettling to Australia an emergency intake of 10,000 more genuine refugees from our region, we can show refugees that there is a ‘regular’ path to a safe life. http://greens.org.au/safer-pathways

I am happy to increase the herd by 10,000. I will be requiring the very best of stock though as the pasture is under a good deal of pressure.
Fine stock from scandinavia, the USA, east asia. These are valuable for my breeding program. The greens understand , i hope, that we cant just  have feral pests settled in these valuable pastures. Not unless we want the whole farm to go to sh^^t. I'll be sending my bloodstock agent, scott morrsion to assess just who we should take to improve the herd. He's a good man with an eye for excellence. My old bloodstock agent , a Miss Hansen Young has been sacked. Her eyesight is obviously deficient and she sent me a truckload of useless stock. Had to ship them to the live cattle markets in New Guinea.  Four corners were none to happy.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 7:42pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:26pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:17pm: "Progressives" never actually state a quota or number. If they do, they know they'll have to start making hard decisions on who should be rejected. They don't want to have that conversation, so they heckle from the side line toward those who do. Are you telling lies on purpose? Or are you just too lazy to bother to actually learn about stuff before opening your big mouth? From the Greens website: We will increase Australia's humanitarian intake to 30,000, which will make a difference and provide hope to people waiting. By resettling to Australia an emergency intake of 10,000 more genuine refugees from our region, we can show refugees that there is a ‘regular’ path to a safe life. http://greens.org.au/safer-pathways I am happy to increase the herd by 10,000. I will be requiring the very best of stock though as the pasture is under a good deal of pressure. Fine stock from scandinavia, the USA, east asia. These are valuable for my breeding program. The greens understand , i hope, that we cant just  have feral pests settled in these valuable pastures. Not unless we want the whole farm to go to sh^^t. I'll be sending my bloodstock agent, scott morrsion to assess just who we should take to improve the herd. He's a good man with an eye for excellence. My old bloodstock agent , a Miss Hansen Young has been sacked. Her eyesight is obviously deficient and she sent me a truckload of useless stock. Had to ship them to the live cattle markets in New Guinea.  Four corners were none to happy.

+1   ;D  Almost sounds like a piss take.. HOWEVER ,there is nothing as serious as a joke .

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 7:26pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:54pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:26pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:17pm: "Progressives" never actually state a quota or number. If they do, they know they'll have to start making hard decisions on who should be rejected. They don't want to have that conversation, so they heckle from the side line toward those who do. Are you telling lies on purpose? Or are you just too lazy to bother to actually learn about stuff before opening your big mouth? From the Greens website: We will increase Australia's humanitarian intake to 30,000, which will make a difference and provide hope to people waiting. By resettling to Australia an emergency intake of 10,000 more genuine refugees from our region, we can show refugees that there is a ‘regular’ path to a safe life. http://greens.org.au/safer-pathways and when this quota is reached and the boats keep pouring in? You didn't answer the question. Are you telling lies on purpose?  Or are you just too lazy to bother to actually learn about stuff before opening your big mouth? You have made 2 statements that you cannot support,: - "Progressives" never actually state a quota or number.- - And "Progressives" are all for Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here I think you need to apologise for telling lies before you start trying to ask any questions yourself.  That is reasonable isn't it? And WTF is a "progressive" anyway?!?! - How does wanting Australia to meet it international legal obligations make one "progressive"?

and when this 30,000 quota is reached and the boats keep coming? You'll either have to 'stop the boats' by 'turning them back' or open up the borders and install a higher quota. Of course, choosing the first options makes you as 'evil' as those supposed rednecks you despise, and the second option is never ending, because you'll have to lift the quota every time it is reached.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 7:42pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:26pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:17pm: "Progressives" never actually state a quota or number. If they do, they know they'll have to start making hard decisions on who should be rejected. They don't want to have that conversation, so they heckle from the side line toward those who do. Are you telling lies on purpose? Or are you just too lazy to bother to actually learn about stuff before opening your big mouth? From the Greens website: We will increase Australia's humanitarian intake to 30,000, which will make a difference and provide hope to people waiting. By resettling to Australia an emergency intake of 10,000 more genuine refugees from our region, we can show refugees that there is a ‘regular’ path to a safe life. http://greens.org.au/safer-pathways I am happy to increase the herd by 10,000. I will be requiring the very best of stock though as the pasture is under a good deal of pressure. Fine stock from scandinavia, the USA, east asia. These are valuable for my breeding program. The greens understand , i hope, that we cant just  have feral pests settled in these valuable pastures. Not unless we want the whole farm to go to sh^^t. I'll be sending my bloodstock agent, scott morrsion to assess just who we should take to improve the herd. He's a good man with an eye for excellence. My old bloodstock agent , a Miss Hansen Young has been sacked. Her eyesight is obviously deficient and she sent me a truckload of useless stock. Had to ship them to the live cattle markets in New Guinea.  Four corners were none to happy.

You still haven't answered the question. Are you telling lies on purpose?  Or are you just too lazy to bother to actually learn about stuff before opening your big mouth?

You have made 2 statements that you cannot support,:

- "Progressives" never actually state a quota or number.- - And
"Progressives" are all for Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here

Stop telling lies - and someone may engage you in conversation.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 11:54pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:26pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:54pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:26pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:17pm: "Progressives" never actually state a quota or number. If they do, they know they'll have to start making hard decisions on who should be rejected. They don't want to have that conversation, so they heckle from the side line toward those who do. Are you telling lies on purpose? Or are you just too lazy to bother to actually learn about stuff before opening your big mouth? From the Greens website: We will increase Australia's humanitarian intake to 30,000, which will make a difference and provide hope to people waiting. By resettling to Australia an emergency intake of 10,000 more genuine refugees from our region, we can show refugees that there is a ‘regular’ path to a safe life. http://greens.org.au/safer-pathways and when this quota is reached and the boats keep pouring in? You didn't answer the question. Are you telling lies on purpose?  Or are you just too lazy to bother to actually learn about stuff before opening your big mouth? You have made 2 statements that you cannot support,: - "Progressives" never actually state a quota or number.- - And "Progressives" are all for Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here I think you need to apologise for telling lies before you start trying to ask any questions yourself.  That is reasonable isn't it? And WTF is a "progressive" anyway?!?! - How does wanting Australia to meet it international legal obligations make one "progressive"? and when this 30,000 quota is reached and the boats keep coming? You'll either have to 'stop the boats' by 'turning them back' or open up the borders and install a higher quota. Of course, choosing the first options makes you as 'evil' as those supposed rednecks you despise, and the second option is never ending, because you'll have to lift the quota every time it is reached.

Do you think that asylum seekers are just going to magically  disappear just because Scott Morrison hides behind his pet military and allows them to be murdered under his care?

They are still there.  They will still come.

And in even greater numbers as the climate change that Tony Abbott is trying to deny gets worse.

Scott Morrison and his pet military cannot hide them from you forever.  Don't you think it is about time Australia started acting like grown-ups about this issue?

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2014 at 12:24am:

Don't you think it is about time Australia started acting like grown-ups about this issue?

Like let in anyone who wants to come?

Parenting (being grown up) is to set limits to the little people.

Soren wrote on Mar 15^th, 2014 at 10:41am:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 15th, 2014 at 12:24am:   Don't you think it is about time Australia started acting like grown-ups about this issue? Like let in anyone who wants to come? Parenting (being grown up) is to set limits to the little people.

Who has suggested "letting in anyone who wants to come"?!?

Please stop building silly strawmen

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2014 at 12:24am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 11:54pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:26pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:54pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:26pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:17pm: "Progressives" never actually state a quota or number. If they do, they know they'll have to start making hard decisions on who should be rejected. They don't want to have that conversation, so they heckle from the side line toward those who do. Are you telling lies on purpose? Or are you just too lazy to bother to actually learn about stuff before opening your big mouth? From the Greens website: We will increase Australia's humanitarian intake to 30,000, which will make a difference and provide hope to people waiting. By resettling to Australia an emergency intake of 10,000 more genuine refugees from our region, we can show refugees that there is a ‘regular’ path to a safe life. http://greens.org.au/safer-pathways and when this quota is reached and the boats keep pouring in? You didn't answer the question. Are you telling lies on purpose?  Or are you just too lazy to bother to actually learn about stuff before opening your big mouth? You have made 2 statements that you cannot support,: - "Progressives" never actually state a quota or number.- - And "Progressives" are all for Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here I think you need to apologise for telling lies before you start trying to ask any questions yourself.  That is reasonable isn't it? And WTF is a "progressive" anyway?!?! - How does wanting Australia to meet it international legal obligations make one "progressive"? and when this 30,000 quota is reached and the boats keep coming? You'll either have to 'stop the boats' by 'turning them back' or open up the borders and install a higher quota. Of course, choosing the first options makes you as 'evil' as those supposed rednecks you despise, and the second option is never ending, because you'll have to lift the quota every time it is reached. Do you think that asylum seekers are just going to magically  disappear just because Scott Morrison hides behind his pet military and allows them to be murdered under his care? They are still there.  They will still come. And in even greater numbers as the climate change that Tony Abbott is trying to deny gets worse. Scott Morrison and his pet military cannot hide them from you forever.  Don't you think it is about time Australia started acting like grown-ups about this issue?

Now we're back to my original point of heckling from the side line rather than providing any practical solution.

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No1 is Mr Arsie who iz von very disturbing individual.
No2 is Carnal because you is desperate to be analized
No3 is Mr John Spite who haz some deep seated issues as I am sure you already know.
No4 is now Mr rabidoh8

You and Mr Spite can fight it out between you as to who iz number 3 and 4 az your level of disturbation and desperate need for being analized is on a level pegging.

You vould need to do zomething particularly heinous to beat Mr Arsie for zee No1 position like skinning babies vith your teeth.

Taipan wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:19pm:

The UN is a NON-GOVERNMENTAL ORGANISATION and whatever document was signed back in 1951 certainly wasn't signed with the population knowing about it. The UN is a rogue anti-White racist organisation created by elitists and Zionists FOR the benefit of elitists and Zionists. They are our enemies.

Hmm. Anti semitism from a character who sports a swastika as his avatar.

What a surprise.

Taipan wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:19pm:

The UN is a NON-GOVERNMENTAL ORGANISATION and whatever document was signed back in 1951 certainly wasn't signed with the population knowing about it.

Unless the population happened to read the newspapers of the day:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/imageservice/nla.news-page3825001/print

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2014 at 12:24am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 11:54pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:26pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:54pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:26pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:17pm: "Progressives" never actually state a quota or number. If they do, they know they'll have to start making hard decisions on who should be rejected. They don't want to have that conversation, so they heckle from the side line toward those who do. Are you telling lies on purpose? Or are you just too lazy to bother to actually learn about stuff before opening your big mouth? From the Greens website: We will increase Australia's humanitarian intake to 30,000, which will make a difference and provide hope to people waiting. By resettling to Australia an emergency intake of 10,000 more genuine refugees from our region, we can show refugees that there is a ‘regular’ path to a safe life. http://greens.org.au/safer-pathways and when this quota is reached and the boats keep pouring in? You didn't answer the question. Are you telling lies on purpose?  Or are you just too lazy to bother to actually learn about stuff before opening your big mouth? You have made 2 statements that you cannot support,: - "Progressives" never actually state a quota or number.- - And "Progressives" are all for Opening up the borders to anyone who wants to come here I think you need to apologise for telling lies before you start trying to ask any questions yourself.  That is reasonable isn't it? And WTF is a "progressive" anyway?!?! - How does wanting Australia to meet it international legal obligations make one "progressive"? and when this 30,000 quota is reached and the boats keep coming? You'll either have to 'stop the boats' by 'turning them back' or open up the borders and install a higher quota. Of course, choosing the first options makes you as 'evil' as those supposed rednecks you despise, and the second option is never ending, because you'll have to lift the quota every time it is reached. Do you think that asylum seekers are just going to magically  disappear just because Scott Morrison hides behind his pet military and allows them to be murdered under his care? They are still there.  They will still come. And in even greater numbers as the climate change that Tony Abbott is trying to deny gets worse. Scott Morrison and his pet military cannot hide them from you forever.  Don't you think it is about time Australia started acting like grown-ups about this issue?

One illegal booga was alledgedly killed by persons unknown, possibly his own countrymen. A qualified architect who was able to study and obtain a degree in his own oh so awful country..you are a dead set peanut blinded by your leftist retarded un Australian zeal. You should be happy one less sumbitch needs feeding

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2014 at 10:57am:

Soren wrote on Mar 15th, 2014 at 10:41am: rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 15th, 2014 at 12:24am:   Don't you think it is about time Australia started acting like grown-ups about this issue? Like let in anyone who wants to come? Parenting (being grown up) is to set limits to the little people. Who has suggested "letting in anyone who wants to come"?!? Please stop building silly strawmen

Well, all those fvckers who want all the boat people be let in - what exactly are they suggesting, if not that?