A group of asylum seekers have reportedly been returned to Indonesia in a lifeboat in the latest turn back case. 
 
Immigration Minister Scott Morrison this morning refused to confirm reports that one of Australia’s donated large orange lifeboats was discovered on Monday on the south coast of central Java.

Local media reported that about 26 asylum seekers were on board when it arrived about midday.

The lifeboats were bought by the Australian government as part of its Operation Sovereign Borders policy, but it has refused to confirm their use in sending asylum seekers back to Indonesia.

There have been, however, reports and claims from Indonesia that a number boats have been turned back in recent months.

A spokeswoman for Mr Morrison said: “In accordance with the Operation Sovereign Borders Joint Agency Task Force policy regarding public release of information on operational matters, the government has no further response on the issues raised.”

The case comes after a spate of turnbacks in recent months as the government ramped up the pressure on people smugglers and has not had a successful operation reach Australia since December 19.

During a government partyroom meeting in Canberra today, Prime Minister Tony Abbott congratulated Mr Morrison on his efforts to curtail the flow of boat arrivals since the election.

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop took aim at Labor and the Greens during the meeting, slamming their hypocrisy for fuelling controversy over the death at Manus Island after what she was treating more than 1200 drownings on their watch as a footnote in history.

Also in the meeting the Prime Minister tried to lay the platform for his first Budget, saying the government was in a tougher spot than the Howard regime when it took office in 1996.

Mr Abbott told MPs the public knew a tough budget was needed but needed reassurance and the issues explained because they were “anxious”.

He said the government had already battled tough issues such as stopping the boats and taking the courageous decision to not give corporate welfare to iconic business who were treating the government as the “ATM of last resort”.

Mr Abbott also claimed shopping precincts in regional centres had become “ghost towns” on Sundays after two regional Coalition MPs claimed penalty rates had hurt youth employment.

But the PM said the government must stick to its election commitments.

Former Labor immigration minister Tony Burke attacked the government’s secrecy about asylum seekers.

“We get our information it seems from the Indonesian media on all of this,” he said.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/another-group-of-asylum-seekers-reportedly-turned-back-in-australian-lifeboat/story-fni0cx4q-1226837059387

Bravo, Morrison! Bravo! The ALP and Greens well and truly have a lot of egg on their faces. They had years to stop the boats, while Morrison managed to do it inside 3 months!!! You idiots in the ALP and Greens, along with the ABC and Fairfax media must be feeling incredibly stupid right now, and rightly so!!!  ;D ;D ;D

That is an exceptionaly good result.

Imagine all the lives the Libs have saved, the countless millions of dollars they have saved us.

Bravo.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

Bravo, Morrison! Bravo! The ALP and Greens well and truly have a lot of egg on their faces. They had years to stop the boats, while Morrison managed to do it inside 3 months!!! You idiots in the ALP and Greens, along with the ABC and Fairfax media must be feeling incredibly stupid right now, and rightly so!!!  ;D ;D ;D

How does Morrison and all you libturd supporters feel by treating asylum seekers like a bit of shyte

They are human beings after all so how about treating them like human beings

John S wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 1:57pm: Bravo, Morrison! Bravo! The ALP and Greens well and truly have a lot of egg on their faces. They had years to stop the boats, while Morrison managed to do it inside 3 months!!! You idiots in the ALP and Greens, along with the ABC and Fairfax media must be feeling incredibly stupid right now, and rightly so!!!  ;D ;D ;D How does Morrison and all you libturd supporters feel by treating asylum seekers like a bit of shyte They are human beings after all so how about treating them like human beings

The Muslims on Anus Island just got beaten up by the locals because they were abusing them as black apes and monkeys instead of human beans.

The case comes after a spate of turnbacks in recent months as the government ramped up the pressure on people smugglers and has not had a successful operation reach Australia since December 19.




So in other words, its not that boat numbers are down, its just we've changed the definitions a bit. If they don't reach Australian waters, they don't exist.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

The case comes after a spate of turnbacks in recent months as the government ramped up the pressure on people smugglers and has not had a successful operation reach Australia since December 19. So in other words, its not that boat numbers are down, its just we've changed the definitions a bit. If they don't reach Australian waters, they don't exist.

As long as they don't arrive here, call em what you want.

Morrison should be cannonised. This is truly a miracle. Notify the vatican.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

The case comes after a spate of turnbacks in recent months as the government ramped up the pressure on people smugglers and has not had a successful operation reach Australia since December 19. So in other words, its not that boat numbers are down, its just we've changed the definitions a bit. If they don't reach Australian waters, they don't exist.

Not only that...every turn back is an ultimate outcome of unlawful/illegal activity on the part of our Navy/Customs mob.

John S wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 1:57pm: Bravo, Morrison! Bravo! The ALP and Greens well and truly have a lot of egg on their faces. They had years to stop the boats, while Morrison managed to do it inside 3 months!!! You idiots in the ALP and Greens, along with the ABC and Fairfax media must be feeling incredibly stupid right now, and rightly so!!!  ;D ;D ;D How does Morrison and all you libturd supporters feel by treating asylum seekers like a bit of shyte They are human beings after all so how about treating them like human beings

I'll happily treat them as human beings.
Green wankers though have less intelligence than a cane toad and i'll happily treat them to a 9 iron

aquascoot wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 2:13pm:

Morrison should be cannonised.

Fantastic idea. Like this:

http://dumbbaby.net/glee/e/i/211/04.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otnyM9RJG4o

aquascoot wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 2:13pm:

Morrison should be cannonised. This is truly a miracle. Notify the vatican.

Indeed, truly a miracle. Someone should be canonised. Morrison can be cannonised.

John S wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 1:57pm: Bravo, Morrison! Bravo! The ALP and Greens well and truly have a lot of egg on their faces. They had years to stop the boats, while Morrison managed to do it inside 3 months!!! You idiots in the ALP and Greens, along with the ABC and Fairfax media must be feeling incredibly stupid right now, and rightly so!!!  ;D ;D ;D How does Morrison and all you libturd supporters feel by treating asylum seekers like a bit of shyte They are human beings after all so how about treating them like human beings

The Muslims on Anus Island just got beaten up by the locals because they were abusing them as black apes and monkeys instead of human beans.

For God sake wake up and smell the bananas, Wise One!

Indeed Herb. The typical PNGer:

http://www.whatacharacter.com/g-o/h0709008.jpg

Its important that our navy is being used to tow boatloads of refugees around the seven seas while jobs and businesses in this country are falling over at an alarming rate.

Yep..Arsewipe Abbott sure has his priorities right  ;D

adelcrow wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 2:51pm:

Its important that our navy is being used to tow boatloads of refugees around the seven seas while jobs and businesses in this country are falling over at an alarming rate. Yep..Arsewipe Abbott sure has his priorities right  ;D

Can you imagine how busy they'd be if the Greens were in charge!!!

Even the spastics on here would be yelling "STOP THE BOATS"

loltard... ;D

Great work Libs. Just another example of how utterly useless Labor/Greens are - if they were on fire you wouldn't bother to even p1ss on them.

FriYAY wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 3:06pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 2:51pm: Its important that our navy is being used to tow boatloads of refugees around the seven seas while jobs and businesses in this country are falling over at an alarming rate. Yep..Arsewipe Abbott sure has his priorities right  ;D Can you imagine how busy they'd be if the Greens were in charge!!! Even the spastics on here would be yelling "STOP THE BOATS" loltard... ;D

they miss the drownings though..not counting those boats that never arrived and were never seen again....

presumed drowned...

funny thing I dont recall any drum beating about the deaths..from the greens...or bleeding heart brigade.

cods wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

funny thing I dont recall any drum beating about the deaths..from the greens...or bleeding heart brigade.

Thats because you weren't listening.

Greens oppose the boats as much as anyone. They wanted them stopped, they wanted the smuggling trade broken - they just refused to support punitive measures against asylum seekers to achieve it. The Greens released a policy of ferrying asylum seekers by plane before they got on to boats - and this policy was even copied by Clive Palmer.

If the Greens policy was implemented, boats would have stopped overnight. We also wouldn't be wasting billions every year on offshore detention centres, and we wouldn't be seeing asylum seekers being murdered by people we outsource these detention centres out too.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

John S wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 2:03pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 1:57pm: Bravo, Morrison! Bravo! The ALP and Greens well and truly have a lot of egg on their faces. They had years to stop the boats, while Morrison managed to do it inside 3 months!!! You idiots in the ALP and Greens, along with the ABC and Fairfax media must be feeling incredibly stupid right now, and rightly so!!!  ;D ;D ;D How does Morrison and all you libturd supporters feel by treating asylum seekers like a bit of shyte They are human beings after all so how about treating them like human beings The Muslims on Anus Island just got beaten up by the locals because they were abusing them as black apes and monkeys instead of human beans. For God sake wake up and smell the bananas, Wise One!

Hard to tell if you are taking the piss with that Mr Mitty, but given your Muslim bashing record, I'll assume you were fair dinkum.

Please provide a link to confirm.

Further, can you explain how the locals (assuming they were not part of the G4S Team) managed to get into the centre?

Aussie wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 4:06pm:

Please provide a link to confirm.

Already have. In this thread.


Aussie wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 4:06pm:

Further, can you explain how the locals (assuming they were not part of the G4S Team) managed to get into the centre?

Some of the local blacks were employed within the camp - (which was news to me) - it's them who finally, after many hours of this racist goading and taunting - opened the gates to a crowd of locals who had gathered outside when they'd caught wind (or mobile phone) of this sustained anti-blacks racist tirade.

They shouldn't have opened the gates to the mob, no matter what the provocation. They were in dereliction of their duty when they did this.

But tempers flared, and someone got killed.

Lesson learnt. You can be very sure the Muslims on Anus Island will behave themselves from now on. They understand violence ~ and respect violence. Common decency is interpreted as feminine in a man, but threats of VIOLENCE and actual VIOLENCE is something they understand and respect.

There'll be no more trouble there on Anus Island.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 4:06pm: Please provide a link to confirm. Already have. In this thread. Aussie wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 4:06pm: Further, can you explain how the locals (assuming they were not part of the G4S Team) managed to get into the centre? Some of the local blacks were employed within the camp - (which was news to me) - it's them who finally, after many hours of this racist goading and taunting - opened the gates to a crowd of locals who had gathered outside when they'd caught wind (or mobile phone) of this sustained anti-blacks racist abuse. They shouldn't have opened the gates to the mob, no matter what the provocation. They were in dereliction of their duty when they did this. But tempers flared, and someone got killed. Lesson learnt. You can be very sure the Muslims on Anus Island will behave themselves from now on. They understand violence ~ and respect violence. Common decency is interpreted as feminine in a man, but threats of VIOLENCE and actual VIOLENCE is something they understand and respect. There'll be no more trouble there on Anus Island.

You need to check that link.  Not only has it zero to do with this Topic, there is no publicly available evidence that ~ "Some of the local blacks were employed within the camp - (which was news to me) - it's them who finally, after many hours of this racist goading and taunting - opened the gates to a crowd of locals who had gathered outside when they'd caught wind (or mobile phone) of this sustained anti-blacks racist abuse."

So, again Walter...........link please.

The story I heard was that G4S asked the locals to participate as back up when they went in. Yes they were being taunted by the refugees - but so what. They were being paid by us to maintain security in the compound and ensure the safety of the refugees.

There appears to be some support for Abbott's hardline stance - and that's a person's prerogative, but those cheering from the sidelines only comprise about 30% of the population. 

We are not primitives and should be adhering to the international standards for human rights. Once we get used to this brutality and violence - it will become acceptable to treat people this way and this government will be no better than some brutal regime in a third world nation.

Nobody's treating anybody 'this way'.

Migrants arriving in the 50's had worse conditions in their temporary migrant camps than these Muslim economic migrants enjoy on Manus Island today.

A "so what" response to the fact that a bunch of Middle Eastern ferals spent hours amusing themselves with gratuitous and undeserved insulting and abusing of the black locals disqualifies you from deserving any further respect for your opinions on this matter.

(I'm standing you in the Naughty Corner until the recess bell goes).
   

I was one of those migrants, herbie, and Woodside Immigration Camp was pretty grim. However, we dreamed of the day we would own our own house.

The ASs have no idea if they will ever get out of Manus Is camp.

BTW, terms like “economic migrants” are not worthy of you—you are using euphemisms so you don’t have to think of the ASs as people and families. Some fanbois call them “country shopping economic migrants” and that double euphemism is pretty revealing.

The Coalition has fulfilled its promise, and the left can't handle it. They said that it was impossible to stop the boats.  ;D

matty wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

The coalition has fulfilles its promise, and the left can't handle it. They said that it was impossible to stop the boats.  ;D

You ain’t no christian.

In any case, wise to wait a year or two before coming to conclusions.

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

matty wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 5:33pm: The coalition has fulfilles its promise, and the left can't handle it. They said that it was impossible to stop the boats.  ;D You ain’t no christian.

Double negative.

Nothing wrong with a double negative in grammar, reinforces what you are saying.

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 5:36pm:

Nothing wrong with a double negative in grammar, reinforces what you are saying.

I beg to differ, but irrespective of that, I am very much a Christian.

There is nothing to “beg to differ” about! Grammar is not logic or mathematics!

You ain’t no christian and that is for sure.

More a hypocrite—approves of people being imprisoned without hope for the crime of wanting to escape persecution and seek asylum and make a new life here, then on Sunday you go to church and think yourself a fine fellow!

Real christians are christians seven days a week.

You are a phony christian.

mantra wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 4:44pm:

The story I heard was that G4S asked the locals to participate as back up when they went in. Yes they were being taunted by the refugees - but so what. They were being paid by us to maintain security in the compound and ensure the safety of the refugees. There appears to be some support for Abbott's hardline stance - and that's a person's prerogative, but those cheering from the sidelines only comprise about 30% of the population.  We are not primitives and should be adhering to the international standards for human rights. Once we get used to this brutality and violence - it will become acceptable to treat people this way and this government will be no better than some brutal regime in a third world nation.

No one is born with any rights. Some humans starve as infants.
No one has any rights, only what others will give them.
illegals warrant being given nothing, they have already violated our laws.

Sprint is another non–christian.

BTW sprint—there is no such thing as “illegals.”

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 5:36pm:

Nothing wrong with a double negative in grammar, reinforces what you are saying.

I ain't never gonna say nuthin' wrong, no way.

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 6:05pm:

Sprint is another non–christian. BTW sprint—there is no such thing as “illegals.”

Correct.

Please take notice, Sprint, that unlawful immigrants are called 'Illegals' - with a capital 'I'.

Every boat-person whose claim for asylum as a 'refugee' is found to be based upon fraud, deceit, and outright lies is, per se, an 'Illegal' - or, an illegal migrant.

George and I have your best interests at heart when we strive to keep you informed on these matters.

Enjoy the rest of your evening.  :)

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 6:55pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 6:05pm: Sprint is another non–christian. BTW sprint—there is no such thing as “illegals.” Correct. Please take notice, Sprint, that unlawful immigrants are called 'Illegals' - with a capital 'I'. Every boat-person whose claim for asylum as a 'refugee' is found to be based upon fraud, deceit, and outright lies is, per se, an 'Illegal' - or, an illegal migrant. George and I have your best interests at heart when we strive to keep you informed on these matters. Enjoy the rest of your evening.  :)

So 1 in 10 is an illegal immigrant on claim being rejected, yet you label all asylum seekers the same?  Id suggest that says a lot about u.

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

I was one of those migrants, herbie, and Woodside Immigration Camp was pretty grim. However, we dreamed of the day we would own our own house. The ASs have no idea if they will ever get out of Manus Is camp.

Try to remain rational, George. It helps in these conversations. These Muslims are in a Transit Camp.


St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

BTW, terms like “economic migrants” are not worthy of you

The term was used by the Labor Party's Foreign Minister Bob Carr in reference to the boat-people we've been getting ... and the term has also been used by this nation's current prime minister.

Who am I to disagree with these illustrious royals of the Australian polity?  :P

link


St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

—you are using euphemisms so you don’t have to think of the ASs as people and families

.

I worked with these people for many many years, and I know exactly what bloody fools they take us for.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 7:07pm:

So 1 in 10 is an illegal immigrant on claim being rejected, yet you label all asylum seekers the same?  Id suggest that says a lot about u.

They're all frauds ~ the whole damn lot of them.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

The case comes after a spate of turnbacks in recent months as the government ramped up the pressure on people smugglers and has not had a successful operation reach Australia since December 19. So in other words, its not that boat numbers are down, its just we've changed the definitions a bit. If they don't reach Australian waters, they don't exist.

Who cares.
There not getting here and the smugglers no longer have a product to sell.
The governments policy works and that's what counts.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 7:07pm:

So 1 in 10 is an illegal immigrant on claim being rejected, yet you label all asylum seekers the same?  Id suggest that says a lot about u.

They have already got the plane to Indonesia, why not continue the journey by plane?

We all know the reason, even the luvvies know why, they just dare not mention it lest they give up their perch on mount moral. 

I for one am glad there is a hard line on border control, the results in the hands of the luvvies or god forbid, nations without borders greens is unthinkable.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 2:08pm: The case comes after a spate of turnbacks in recent months as the government ramped up the pressure on people smugglers and has not had a successful operation reach Australia since December 19. So in other words, its not that boat numbers are down, its just we've changed the definitions a bit. If they don't reach Australian waters, they don't exist. Who cares. There not getting here and the smugglers no longer have a product to sell. The governments policy works and that's what counts.

Surely though that depends on the message getting back to where the refugees come from

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 7:24pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 2:08pm: The case comes after a spate of turnbacks in recent months as the government ramped up the pressure on people smugglers and has not had a successful operation reach Australia since December 19. So in other words, its not that boat numbers are down, its just we've changed the definitions a bit. If they don't reach Australian waters, they don't exist. Who cares. There not getting here and the smugglers no longer have a product to sell. The governments policy works and that's what counts. Surely though that depends on the message getting back to where the refugees come from

Well the Australian taxpayer isn't footing the bill for that as well.
After all, the country shoppers have a mobile phone.
And if the message doesn't get through that all illegal boat arrivals will never be resettled in Australia and that the passengers are being diddled out of 10 grand, that is hardly our problem.
And I doubt very much that the country shoppers won't be bleating like sheep calling home to tell the family where they ended up, and the family wont then tell another twenty people.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

John S wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 2:03pm: How does Morrison and all you libturd supporters feel by treating asylum seekers like a bit of shyte They are human beings after all so how about treating them like human beings The Muslims on Anus Island just got beaten up by the locals because they were abusing them as black apes and monkeys instead of human beans.

Have you got a link to what you are saying that asylum seekers were abusing that locals on Manus Island or are you just treating asylum seekers like shyte again

John S wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 9:39pm:

Have you got a link to what you are saying that asylum seekers were abusing that locals on Manus Island or are you just treating asylum seekers like shyte again

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chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 8:00pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 7:47pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 7:24pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 2:08pm: The case comes after a spate of turnbacks in recent months as the government ramped up the pressure on people smugglers and has not had a successful operation reach Australia since December 19. So in other words, its not that boat numbers are down, its just we've changed the definitions a bit. If they don't reach Australian waters, they don't exist. Who cares. There not getting here and the smugglers no longer have a product to sell. The governments policy works and that's what counts. Surely though that depends on the message getting back to where the refugees come from Well the Australian taxpayer isn't footing the bill for that as well. After all, the country shoppers have a mobile phone. And if the message doesn't get through that all illegal boat arrivals will never be resettled in Australia and that the passengers are being diddled out of 10 grand, that is hardly our problem. And I doubt very much that the country shoppers won't be bleating like sheep calling home to tell the family where they ended up, and the family wont then tell another twenty people.

It will be interesting to see what happens when the cyclone season is over in April

John S wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 9:39pm:

Have you got a link to what you are saying that asylum seekers were abusing that locals on Manus Island or are you just treating asylum seekers like shyte again

I'm just treating the asylum seekers like shyte again.

However, here's the information you have asked for.


Quote:

"But one of the things Richard that we've found out is that people are telling us that some of the staff inside the asylum seeker camp, the Manus people, have been subjected to racial vilification on an ongoing basis from a number of the asylum seekers".

link

********


Quote:

Also that day, Mr Knight says, asylum seekers had intensified their verbal taunts against locally-employed guards, including threats to rape their mothers and sisters. This account has been backed up by other sources.

link

*********


Quote:

"One of the things we're being told is that people who are working at the centre have signed confidentiality clauses that they're not allowed to speak".

The luvvies and pro bonos have been desperately running around asking everyone to commit to a pact of silence. They don't want the Australian public to get a good grip on the fact that these Muslim ferals were racially abusing the local blacks, and were threatening to rape their mothers and wives.

Bad PR.

Wake up, wise one, and don't let yourself be a dupe and a Useful Idiot for the Muslim ferals and their socialist Australian helpers.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

mantra wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 4:44pm: The story I heard was that G4S asked the locals to participate as back up when they went in. Yes they were being taunted by the refugees - but so what. They were being paid by us to maintain security in the compound and ensure the safety of the refugees. There appears to be some support for Abbott's hardline stance - and that's a person's prerogative, but those cheering from the sidelines only comprise about 30% of the population.  We are not primitives and should be adhering to the international standards for human rights. Once we get used to this brutality and violence - it will become acceptable to treat people this way and this government will be no better than some brutal regime in a third world nation. No one is born with any rights. Some humans starve as infants. No one has any rights, only what others will give them. illegals warrant being given nothing, they have already violated our laws.

Amen... !

Quote:

"We're going to rape your mothers, wives, and daughters ~ you big black bastard banana-eating apes!"

Of COURSE we want to fast-track these Muslims to the Australian mainland so they can get nicely settled in here on a Benefit of some sort.

Does anyone know Morrison's email address?

I want to petition him to use his powers of 'Ministerial Discretion' to fast-track these gentlemen to come live with us and our mothers, wives, and daughters here in our nice, multicultural Australian suburbs.

John S wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 1:57pm: Bravo, Morrison! Bravo! The ALP and Greens well and truly have a lot of egg on their faces. They had years to stop the boats, while Morrison managed to do it inside 3 months!!! You idiots in the ALP and Greens, along with the ABC and Fairfax media must be feeling incredibly stupid right now, and rightly so!!!  ;D ;D ;D How does Morrison and all you libturd supporters feel by treating asylum seekers like a bit of shyte They are human beings after all so how about treating them like human beings

When we have an asylum seeker turn up, I'll be happy to have them here. So when you see one, let me know. These country shoppers, however, can bugger off!

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

The case comes after a spate of turnbacks in recent months as the government ramped up the pressure on people smugglers and has not had a successful operation reach Australia since December 19. So in other words, its not that boat numbers are down, its just we've changed the definitions a bit. If they don't reach Australian waters, they don't exist.

No, it's that they are being turned back and also fewer are making the journey.

Aussie wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 2:13pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 2:08pm: The case comes after a spate of turnbacks in recent months as the government ramped up the pressure on people smugglers and has not had a successful operation reach Australia since December 19. So in other words, its not that boat numbers are down, its just we've changed the definitions a bit. If they don't reach Australian waters, they don't exist. Not only that...every turn back is an ultimate outcome of unlawful/illegal activity on the part of our Navy/Customs mob.

It's hardly illegal for our Navy/Customs to deny a vessel permission to enter our waters. The same thing has been done for decades by the USCG with regard to people coming from Cuba and no one has said that's illegal.

adelcrow wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 2:51pm:

Its important that our navy is being used to tow boatloads of refugees around the seven seas while jobs and businesses in this country are falling over at an alarming rate. Yep..Arsewipe Abbott sure has his priorities right  ;D

Okay, lets put this into perspective. When the Pacific Solution was dismantled by Rudd in 2008, there was only 6-10 detainees in detention and the annual cost of that policy was less than $100m. Fast forward to the last days of the Rudd 2.0 government and the annual cost had blown out to more than $1.5bn with more than 50,000 arrivals. So firstly, Abbott has no choice but to continue spending vast sums of money to process the detainees that remain as a reminder of one of the biggest policy failures of any government in our history. Secondly, and most importantly, just what is the Navy supposed to do to save Australian jobs? Perhaps if they weren't so busy cleaning up Rudd and Gillard's mess, they would have less work to do (meaning less expense to taxpayers) and the budget for this policy can be wound down and taxpayer funds put into other projects that will have more benefit to taxpayers. I'd love to know the annual bill for paying Centrelink benefits to those illegal immigrants that Gillard released into the community!

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

cods wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 3:13pm: funny thing I dont recall any drum beating about the deaths..from the greens...or bleeding heart brigade. Thats because you weren't listening. Greens oppose the boats as much as anyone. They wanted them stopped, they wanted the smuggling trade broken - they just refused to support punitive measures against asylum seekers to achieve it. The Greens released a policy of ferrying asylum seekers by plane before they got on to boats - and this policy was even copied by Clive Palmer. If the Greens policy was implemented, boats would have stopped overnight. We also wouldn't be wasting billions every year on offshore detention centres, and we wouldn't be seeing asylum seekers being murdered by people we outsource these detention centres out too.

That's wrong and you know it. The Greens, in all their lunacy, wanted (and got) onshore processing. It was an unmitigated disaster. Labor went from dealing with four or five boats a week (still bad) to seeing 2 and sometimes 3 boats arriving each day when onshore processing and releasing detainees into the community came into being. It did absolutely NOTHING to deter people smugglers or their human cargo - it simply encouraged them to send more.

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

I was one of those migrants, herbie, and Woodside Immigration Camp was pretty grim. However, we dreamed of the day we would own our own house. The ASs have no idea if they will ever get out of Manus Is camp. BTW, terms like “economic migrants” are not worthy of you—you are using euphemisms so you don’t have to think of the ASs as people and families. Some fanbois call them “country shopping economic migrants” and that double euphemism is pretty revealing.

If these country shoppers didn't skip past countries where they would be safe and are signatories to the UNHCR, then I'd give some weight to their claim for asylum. But since they do skip those countries and are hellbent on coming here, you'll have to excuse me for not taking their asylum claim seriously one little bit.

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

matty wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 5:33pm: The coalition has fulfilles its promise, and the left can't handle it. They said that it was impossible to stop the boats.  ;D You ain’t no christian. In any case, wise to wait a year or two before coming to conclusions.

The ABC and Fairfax are also licking their wounds, having been highly critical of Abbott's plan pre-election. So you're not alone - you're in good (bad) company!

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 7:07pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 6:55pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 6:05pm: Sprint is another non–christian. BTW sprint—there is no such thing as “illegals.” Correct. Please take notice, Sprint, that unlawful immigrants are called 'Illegals' - with a capital 'I'. Every boat-person whose claim for asylum as a 'refugee' is found to be based upon fraud, deceit, and outright lies is, per se, an 'Illegal' - or, an illegal migrant. George and I have your best interests at heart when we strive to keep you informed on these matters. Enjoy the rest of your evening.  :) So 1 in 10 is an illegal immigrant on claim being rejected, yet you label all asylum seekers the same?  Id suggest that says a lot about u.

Most are approved simply because it's far too difficult to confirm their true identity. Why? Because they throw their passports and other identifying documents overboard, documents our authorities would use to identify them and assess their claim for asylum. So please don't say most of them are genuine refugees because that is simply not the case. They're getting a free pass because they're doing the wrong thing.

The boats have stopped. Can you imagine the pile-up of Economic-Migrants still coming off the 'Air Boat-People' planes in Indonesia?

Like a traffic jam during the peak hour. All concertining into the back of one another in the lengthening queue. Threatening each other with rape of their mothers, wives and daughters if they don't hurry along.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 6:58am:

The boats have stopped. Can you imagine the pile-up of Economic-Migrants still coming off the 'Air Boat-People' planes in Indonesia? Like a traffic jam during the peak hour. All concertining into the back of one another in the lengthening queue. Threatening each other with rape of their mothers, wives and daughters if they don't hurry along.

The ALP, Greens and their supporters are livid that Morrison has done what they couldn't/wouldn't do - stop the boats. Not only has he stopped the boats, he's managed to do it inside 3 months when Labor had well over 5 years to do it. That's an almighty back-handed slap in the face to the Leftards by Morrison!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:02am:

The ALP, Greens and their supporters are livid that Morrison has done what they couldn't/wouldn't do - stop the boats. Not only has he stopped the boats, he's managed to do it inside 3 months when Labor had well over 5 years to do it. That's an almighty back-handed slap in the face to the Leftards by Morrison!!!  ;D ;D ;D

I believe members of the Labor Party have been racially abusing Morrison and threatening to rape his mother, wife and daughter.  8-)

Yeah—expect more and bigger blowups, more deaths. In a so–called resettlement camp that is in fact a prison where people get held indefinitely.

Funny though—despite the horrendous conditions few ask to be returned to their home country. When the monsoon season ends—HM boats will there be?

A better solution would be diplomacy which would see Indonesia refuse to accept certain nationalities, like Gillard had negotiated with Indo. Bet that is gone now—the shambles wants to be seen as tough but that facade will crack sooner or later.

Country shoppers? In our region (SE Asia) only us and Cambodia have signed the UNHCR. Cambodia can hardly look after itself yet we want them to do our job for us?

Rubin wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 9:49pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 8:00pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 7:47pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 7:24pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 2:08pm: The case comes after a spate of turnbacks in recent months as the government ramped up the pressure on people smugglers and has not had a successful operation reach Australia since December 19. So in other words, its not that boat numbers are down, its just we've changed the definitions a bit. If they don't reach Australian waters, they don't exist. Who cares. There not getting here and the smugglers no longer have a product to sell. The governments policy works and that's what counts. Surely though that depends on the message getting back to where the refugees come from Well the Australian taxpayer isn't footing the bill for that as well. After all, the country shoppers have a mobile phone. And if the message doesn't get through that all illegal boat arrivals will never be resettled in Australia and that the passengers are being diddled out of 10 grand, that is hardly our problem. And I doubt very much that the country shoppers won't be bleating like sheep calling home to tell the family where they ended up, and the family wont then tell another twenty people. It will be interesting to see what happens when the cyclone season is over in April

Why?
So leftard bedwetters can start calling them climate change refugees  :D :D

In another month the filthy country shopping business model will be so broken it'll resemble Federal Labor after the RC into corruption of their Union business partners....dead and buried.

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:08am:

Yeah—expect more and bigger blowups, more deaths. In a so–called resettlement camp that is in fact a prison where people get held indefinitely. Funny though—despite the horrendous conditions few ask to be returned to their home country. When the monsoon season ends—HM boats will there be? A better solution would be diplomacy which would see Indonesia refuse to accept certain nationalities, like Gillard had negotiated with Indo. Bet that is gone now—the shambles wants to be seen as tough but that facade will crack sooner or later. Country shoppers? In our region (SE Asia) only us and Cambodia have signed the UNHCR. Cambodia can hardly look after itself yet we want them to do our job for us?

Why on earth would anyone listen to this tripe? You and your leftard bedwetters gave us this problem and now you have the gall to open your mouth to criticise!

You have nothing but hate, bile and a lonely pathetic existence.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:07am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 7:02am: The ALP, Greens and their supporters are livid that Morrison has done what they couldn't/wouldn't do - stop the boats. Not only has he stopped the boats, he's managed to do it inside 3 months when Labor had well over 5 years to do it. That's an almighty back-handed slap in the face to the Leftards by Morrison!!!  ;D ;D ;D I believe members of the Labor Party have been racially abusing Morrison and threatening to rape his mother, wife and daughter.  8-)

Yeah, those Leftards are all class! >:(

Datalife wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

They have already got the plane to Indonesia, why not continue the journey by plane?

Before anyone boards a plane to fly out of the country they need a passport otherwise they are not allowed on the plane.

Now lets work through on how asylum seekers get passports.

Do they roll up to their government offices and just ask for a passport with no question ask or do the government official want to know why they want a passport, where they are going, how long they will be away etc. Don't forget they are people fleeing their country so why would they go anywhere near a government office and give them information.

Or do they cross the border into a neighboring country and get a false passport that would cost them money and is that why they throw their passports overboard  when they get on the leaky boats.

Another way they could get to Indonesia without any travel documents is overland through India, Burma, Thailand etc.

Don't forget they need a visa to get into Indonesia if they fly in so where would they get a visa from.

If they got a fair dickum passport their records would be on file somewhere in their home country so why does it take so long to prove who they are then.

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:08am:

Yeah—expect more and bigger blowups, more deaths. In a so–called resettlement camp that is in fact a prison where people get held indefinitely. Funny though—despite the horrendous conditions few ask to be returned to their home country. When the monsoon season ends—HM boats will there be? A better solution would be diplomacy which would see Indonesia refuse to accept certain nationalities, like Gillard had negotiated with Indo. Bet that is gone now—the shambles wants to be seen as tough but that facade will crack sooner or later. Country shoppers? In our region (SE Asia) only us and Cambodia have signed the UNHCR. Cambodia can hardly look after itself yet we want them to do our job for us?

Then we should un sign it so that we can share an equal standing with our neighbours.
What act of insanity led the cambodians to sign up to an elitist leftard wankfest like the UN.
Maybe they were hoping to get all the UN staffers over to the killing fields and do away with them and do the world a huge favour

John S wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:25am:

Datalife wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 7:28pm: They have already got the plane to Indonesia, why not continue the journey by plane? Before anyone boards a plane to fly out of the country they need a passport otherwise they are not allowed on the plane. Now lets work through on how asylum seekers get passports. Do they roll up to their government offices and just ask for a passport with no question ask or do the government official want to know why they want a passport, where they are going, how long they will be away etc. Don't forget they are people fleeing their country so why would they go anywhere near a government office and give them information. Or do they cross the border into a neighboring country and get a false passport that would cost them money and is that why they throw their passports overboard  when they get on the leaky boats. Another way they could get to Indonesia without any travel documents is overland through India, Burma, Thailand etc. Don't forget they need a visa to get into Indonesia if they fly in so where would they get a visa from. If they got a fair dickum passport their records would be on file somewhere in their home country so why does it take so long to prove who they are then.

These aren't people living in abject poverty in slums! They're paying thousands of dollars to people smugglers come here. Did you not see the picture of one guy on the dock at Christmas Island decked out in an Australian cricket team one-day outfit? You also assume (wrongly) that none of these people already have a passport. What makes you think they don't already have a valid passport and need to go and buy one? What makes you think they aren't buying a fake passport on the black market? Don't forget that the passports of many of the countries these people are coming from are nowhere near as technologically advanced as ours are and therefore much, much easier to forge.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 7:08am: Yeah—expect more and bigger blowups, more deaths. In a so–called resettlement camp that is in fact a prison where people get held indefinitely. Funny though—despite the horrendous conditions few ask to be returned to their home country. When the monsoon season ends—HM boats will there be? A better solution would be diplomacy which would see Indonesia refuse to accept certain nationalities, like Gillard had negotiated with Indo. Bet that is gone now—the shambles wants to be seen as tough but that facade will crack sooner or later. Country shoppers? In our region (SE Asia) only us and Cambodia have signed the UNHCR. Cambodia can hardly look after itself yet we want them to do our job for us? Then we should un sign it so that we can share an equal standing with our neighbours. What act of insanity led the cambodians to sign up to an elitist leftard wankfest like the UN. Maybe they were hoping to get all the UN staffers over to the killing fields and do away with them and do the world a huge favour

Have you ever read the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees if we so call unsign it, it is 12 months before that takes affect and don't forget it was Menzies government that sign it in the first place

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:21am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 7:07am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 7:02am: The ALP, Greens and their supporters are livid that Morrison has done what they couldn't/wouldn't do - stop the boats. Not only has he stopped the boats, he's managed to do it inside 3 months when Labor had well over 5 years to do it. That's an almighty back-handed slap in the face to the Leftards by Morrison!!!  ;D ;D ;D I believe members of the Labor Party have been racially abusing Morrison and threatening to rape his mother, wife and daughter.  8-) Yeah, those Leftards are all class! >:(

Morrison has a wife and daughter!!!!
No wonder those homo loving , gay marriage loving, family hating leftards despise the bloke.
Cant we get a poof with a disability to run immigration

John S wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:44am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 7:28am: St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 7:08am: Yeah—expect more and bigger blowups, more deaths. In a so–called resettlement camp that is in fact a prison where people get held indefinitely. Funny though—despite the horrendous conditions few ask to be returned to their home country. When the monsoon season ends—HM boats will there be? A better solution would be diplomacy which would see Indonesia refuse to accept certain nationalities, like Gillard had negotiated with Indo. Bet that is gone now—the shambles wants to be seen as tough but that facade will crack sooner or later. Country shoppers? In our region (SE Asia) only us and Cambodia have signed the UNHCR. Cambodia can hardly look after itself yet we want them to do our job for us? Then we should un sign it so that we can share an equal standing with our neighbours. What act of insanity led the cambodians to sign up to an elitist leftard wankfest like the UN. Maybe they were hoping to get all the UN staffers over to the killing fields and do away with them and do the world a huge favour Have you ever read the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees if we so call unsign it, it is 12 months before that takes affect and don't forget it was Menzies government that sign it in the first place

Much has changed in the world since 1941!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:48am:

Much has changed in the world since 1941!!!

You haven't even read it have you

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 6:50am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 3:23pm: cods wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 3:13pm: funny thing I dont recall any drum beating about the deaths..from the greens...or bleeding heart brigade. Thats because you weren't listening. Greens oppose the boats as much as anyone. They wanted them stopped, they wanted the smuggling trade broken - they just refused to support punitive measures against asylum seekers to achieve it. The Greens released a policy of ferrying asylum seekers by plane before they got on to boats - and this policy was even copied by Clive Palmer. If the Greens policy was implemented, boats would have stopped overnight. We also wouldn't be wasting billions every year on offshore detention centres, and we wouldn't be seeing asylum seekers being murdered by people we outsource these detention centres out too. That's wrong and you know it. The Greens, in all their lunacy, wanted (and got) onshore processing. It was an unmitigated disaster. Labor went from dealing with four or five boats a week (still bad) to seeing 2 and sometimes 3 boats arriving each day when onshore processing and releasing detainees into the community came into being. It did absolutely NOTHING to deter people smugglers or their human cargo - it simply encouraged them to send more.

Of course it was a disaster - because it wasn't the greens policy. Labor did nothing to help people who were resorting to jumping on boats. The greens had a solution to stop the boats - by removing the need for boats, and it would have worked. If you people insist on using the "saving lives" argument, then you have to accept that the greens solution was the most viable.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:59am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 6:50am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 3:23pm: cods wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 3:13pm: funny thing I dont recall any drum beating about the deaths..from the greens...or bleeding heart brigade. Thats because you weren't listening. Greens oppose the boats as much as anyone. They wanted them stopped, they wanted the smuggling trade broken - they just refused to support punitive measures against asylum seekers to achieve it. The Greens released a policy of ferrying asylum seekers by plane before they got on to boats - and this policy was even copied by Clive Palmer. If the Greens policy was implemented, boats would have stopped overnight. We also wouldn't be wasting billions every year on offshore detention centres, and we wouldn't be seeing asylum seekers being murdered by people we outsource these detention centres out too. That's wrong and you know it. The Greens, in all their lunacy, wanted (and got) onshore processing. It was an unmitigated disaster. Labor went from dealing with four or five boats a week (still bad) to seeing 2 and sometimes 3 boats arriving each day when onshore processing and releasing detainees into the community came into being. It did absolutely NOTHING to deter people smugglers or their human cargo - it simply encouraged them to send more. Of course it was a disaster - because it wasn't the greens policy. Labor did nothing to help people who were resorting to jumping on boats. The greens had a solution to stop the boats - by removing the need for boats, and it would have worked. If you people insist on using the "saving lives" argument, then you have to accept that the greens solution was the most viable.

The words Green and Solution should never be used in the same sentence

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:38am:

What makes you think they don't already have a valid passport and need to go and buy one?

He just explained why - because people being persecuted by authoritarian regimes typically don't get issued with passports - or if they have them, they'll probably be cancelled.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:38am:

What makes you think they aren't buying a fake passport on the black market?

err.. thats exactly what he's saying.

It's actually quite amusing in a way. First we had Rudd telling everyone that he had a more humane way or dealing with the "problem" of illegal immigrants. Unfortunately for him, he was months late in his description because it ceased to be a problem long before he turned it into one, with less than a dozen people in detention when Rudd became PM. Then we saw Labor try (and fail) to blame external "push factors" when they started to see more boats start arriving again. Now that they're in Opposition (where they belong) they're blaming Abbott for everything to do with a problem they themselves created. It's almost like Fawlty Towers with Rudd & Gillard playing the part of John Cleese!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:02am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 6:58am: The boats have stopped. Can you imagine the pile-up of Economic-Migrants still coming off the 'Air Boat-People' planes in Indonesia? Like a traffic jam during the peak hour. All concertining into the back of one another in the lengthening queue. Threatening each other with rape of their mothers, wives and daughters if they don't hurry along. The ALP, Greens and their supporters are livid that Morrison has done what they couldn't/wouldn't do - stop the boats. Not only has he stopped the boats, he's managed to do it inside 3 months when Labor had well over 5 years to do it. That's an almighty back-handed slap in the face to the Leftards by Morrison!!!  ;D ;D ;D

labor in 6 years created the problem by invitinig illegals


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John S wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:57am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 7:48am: Much has changed in the world since 1941!!! You haven't even read it have you

I have. It came into force in the mid-1950's and hasn't changed since, but the world sure has!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:05am:

ow that they're in Opposition (where they belong) they're blaming Abbott for everything to do with a problem they themselves created.

Actually no they're not. Their attack on Morrison has been extremely limited and muted - precisely because they would be attacking their own policy.

Thus far, labor attacks is literally restricted to the secrecy issue. Only the greens are attacking the overall policies related to punitive measures - offshore/outsourced processing, detention run by untrained thugs, and of course the whole "we're going to punish you for seeking our help by resettling you in 3rd world poo holes" thing.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:08am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 7:02am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 6:58am: The boats have stopped. Can you imagine the pile-up of Economic-Migrants still coming off the 'Air Boat-People' planes in Indonesia? Like a traffic jam during the peak hour. All concertining into the back of one another in the lengthening queue. Threatening each other with rape of their mothers, wives and daughters if they don't hurry along. The ALP, Greens and their supporters are livid that Morrison has done what they couldn't/wouldn't do - stop the boats. Not only has he stopped the boats, he's managed to do it inside 3 months when Labor had well over 5 years to do it. That's an almighty back-handed slap in the face to the Leftards by Morrison!!!  ;D ;D ;D labor in 6 years created the problem by invitinig illegals Quote: ......when Labor had well over 5 years to do it..... illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals illegals

Incorrect.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:05am: ow that they're in Opposition (where they belong) they're blaming Abbott for everything to do with a problem they themselves created. Actually no they're not. Their attack on Morrison has been extremely limited and muted - precisely because they would be attacking their own policy. Thus far, labor attacks is literally restricted to the secrecy issue. Only the greens are attacking the overall policies related to punitive measures - offshore/outsourced processing, detention run by untrained thugs, and of course the whole "we're going to punish you for seeking our help by resettling you in 3rd world poo holes" thing.

If they can fly to Indonesia, they can fly here. That they try to sneak in the back door shows they are of suspicious character. It's that simple. They also wouldn't bypass countries that are UNHCR signatories - real refugees would stop at the first safe place they could find, not take a treacherous journey across the ocean in a leaky Indonesian fishing boat.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:01am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 7:59am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 6:50am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 3:23pm: cods wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 3:13pm: funny thing I dont recall any drum beating about the deaths..from the greens...or bleeding heart brigade. Thats because you weren't listening. Greens oppose the boats as much as anyone. They wanted them stopped, they wanted the smuggling trade broken - they just refused to support punitive measures against asylum seekers to achieve it. The Greens released a policy of ferrying asylum seekers by plane before they got on to boats - and this policy was even copied by Clive Palmer. If the Greens policy was implemented, boats would have stopped overnight. We also wouldn't be wasting billions every year on offshore detention centres, and we wouldn't be seeing asylum seekers being murdered by people we outsource these detention centres out too. That's wrong and you know it. The Greens, in all their lunacy, wanted (and got) onshore processing. It was an unmitigated disaster. Labor went from dealing with four or five boats a week (still bad) to seeing 2 and sometimes 3 boats arriving each day when onshore processing and releasing detainees into the community came into being. It did absolutely NOTHING to deter people smugglers or their human cargo - it simply encouraged them to send more. Of course it was a disaster - because it wasn't the greens policy. Labor did nothing to help people who were resorting to jumping on boats. The greens had a solution to stop the boats - by removing the need for boats, and it would have worked. If you people insist on using the "saving lives" argument, then you have to accept that the greens solution was the most viable. The words Green and Solution should never be used in the same sentence

There is no solution on this people are to divided on this issue there is a hell of lot misunderstanding on both sides. Financial  pressure on the ecconomy, a underlying growing resentment and fear of Islam, will continue to see well intentioned plans and programs apposed. Politicians will use the hype to distract the population from their failures domesticly and not be held to proper account for their failures at home. They will continue to wastes our taxes on numerous bs expenditure at home and use the cost of border protection and the demand for foreign aid as a excuse for budget difficulties. Nobody is even slightly concerned about the amount of money we spent to get a seat on the UN then contravene there findings and orders wtf is up with that. I'm fine Australia not being part of the UN and making our on calls on issue, but the fact is we are part of it and quite proud of that fact. I think it's just for show and only when it suits our politions.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:30am:

If they can fly to Indonesia, they can fly here.

What are you talking about? These people don't need a visa to get to Indonesia, but Australia is very strict on visa requirements - which you need to be granted before they take the flight.

They literally can fly to Indonesia, but cannot fly to Australia. If they could fly to Australia they would - there is nothing stopping people from seeking asylum on a tourist visa - thousands of people do it every year.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:30am: If they can fly to Indonesia, they can fly here. What are you talking about? These people don't need a visa to get to Indonesia, but Australia is very strict on visa requirements - which you need to be granted before they take the flight. They literally can fly to Indonesia, but cannot fly to Australia. If they could fly to Australia they would - there is nothing stopping people from seeking asylum on a tourist visa - thousands of people do it every year.

What do you suggest is stopping them applying for a visa?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:38am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:30am: If they can fly to Indonesia, they can fly here. What are you talking about? These people don't need a visa to get to Indonesia, but Australia is very strict on visa requirements - which you need to be granted before they take the flight. They literally can fly to Indonesia, but cannot fly to Australia. If they could fly to Australia they would - there is nothing stopping people from seeking asylum on a tourist visa - thousands of people do it every year. What do you suggest is stopping them applying for a visa?

Wow really you  need ask that, maybe the fact that they are coming out of war zones and until they are processed we can't be sure of the security risk they present but in order to process them they need to get here catch 22.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

What do you suggest is stopping them applying for a visa?

The fact that they know they won't get it. Maybe???  :P

Seriously, people who can take the flight do it - you realise heaps more asylum seekers come by plane than by boat right? Lets see - option 1. pay for comfy air flight direct to Australia, no hassles. option 2. pay a people smuggler about 10 times more to get on a leaky boat crossing open sea to get put in mandatory offshore detention.

hmmm tough choice there right? Unless of course, they don't have a choice.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:21am:

The fact that they know they won't get it. Maybe???  :P

Bingo.  Therefore the ditching of IDs and rehearsed stories.  Not fleeing persecution but seeking settlement in a western country.

Any of you bozos notice what is happening in Europe?  The west is the honey pot, the sugar on the table and you sanctimonious dickheads are too thick to understand it.

Datalife wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:41am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 9:21am: The fact that they know they won't get it. Maybe???  :P Bingo.  Therefore the ditching of IDs and rehearsed stories.  Not fleeing persecution but seeking settlement in a western country. Any of you bozos notice what is happening in Europe?  The west is the honey pot, the sugar on the table and you sanctimonious dickheads are too thick to understand it.

Big call to make from your lounge room as a adult the has never faced a issue that has threatened his existence on the planet. Other than the odd near miss it traffic.

Datalife wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:41am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 9:21am: The fact that they know they won't get it. Maybe???  :P Bingo.  Therefore the ditching of IDs and rehearsed stories.  Not fleeing persecution but seeking settlement in a western country. Any of you bozos notice what is happening in Europe?  The west is the honey pot, the sugar on the table and you sanctimonious dickheads are too thick to understand it.

None so blind as they who will not see.

gandalf is fully aware of the creeping Islamisation that is taking place across the Western world.

He's fully aware that the naive and the gullible ~ and those with immature and simplistic notions of 'fairness' and decency' are fighting a battle on behalf of those who will one day bury them when their usefulness has expired.

The homosexuals, the feminists, the liberal-progressive luvvies, the childishly moralistic, the 'multiculturalists', the 'diversity' crowd, the soft-cock magistrates and judges ~ all will be dealt with in the fullness of time under Sharia Law and at the behest of appointed imams.

Datalife wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:41am:

Bingo.  Therefore the ditching of IDs and rehearsed stories.  Not fleeing persecution but seeking settlement in a western country.

Genuine refugees won't get a tourist visa datalife - thats the point you genius  :P

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:38am:

Datalife wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 9:41am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 9:21am: The fact that they know they won't get it. Maybe???  :P Bingo.  Therefore the ditching of IDs and rehearsed stories.  Not fleeing persecution but seeking settlement in a western country. Any of you bozos notice what is happening in Europe?  The west is the honey pot, the sugar on the table and you sanctimonious dickheads are too thick to understand it. None so blind as they who will not see. gandalf is fully aware of the creeping Islamisation that is taking place across the Western world. He's fully aware that the naive and the gullible ~ and those with immature and simplistic notions of 'fairness' and decency' are fighting a battle on behalf of those who will one day bury them when their usefulness has expired. The homosexuals, the feminists, the liberal-progressive luvvies, the childishly moralistic, the 'multiculturalists', the 'diversity' crowd, the soft-cock magistrates and judges ~ all will be dealt with in the fullness of time under Sharia Law and at the behest of appointed imams.

Herbert you want it just as bad, but you're to gutless to do anything about it except cry on princess, sit I ya corner pooing your pants worrying that some big black, Islamic feminist, homosexual, environmentalist pedophile asylum seeker is going to rape you and steal all your stuff.
Must be horrible to live in fear of everything like you do Herbert I really hope you can get some help with that one day.
Maybe do something to build up your self esteem and confidence. 

Rubin wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 3:12pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 10:38am: Datalife wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 9:41am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 9:21am: The fact that they know they won't get it. Maybe???  :P Bingo.  Therefore the ditching of IDs and rehearsed stories.  Not fleeing persecution but seeking settlement in a western country. Any of you bozos notice what is happening in Europe?  The west is the honey pot, the sugar on the table and you sanctimonious dickheads are too thick to understand it. None so blind as they who will not see. gandalf is fully aware of the creeping Islamisation that is taking place across the Western world. He's fully aware that the naive and the gullible ~ and those with immature and simplistic notions of 'fairness' and decency' are fighting a battle on behalf of those who will one day bury them when their usefulness has expired. The homosexuals, the feminists, the liberal-progressive luvvies, the childishly moralistic, the 'multiculturalists', the 'diversity' crowd, the soft-cock magistrates and judges ~ all will be dealt with in the fullness of time under Sharia Law and at the behest of appointed imams. Herbert you want it just as bad, but you're to gutless to do anything about it except cry on princess, sit I ya corner pooing your pants worrying that some big black, Islamic feminist, homosexual, environmentalist pedophile asylum seeker is going to rape you and steal all your stuff. Must be horrible to live in fear of everything like you do Herbert I really hope you can get some help with that one day. Maybe do something to build up your self esteem and confidence.

He's not worried about one, he's worried about 50000 or more that you leftards want to let in without a second thought. It isn't hard to work out who lacks in critical thinking here.

Rubin wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 3:12pm:

Herbert you want it just as bad, but you're to gutless to do anything about it except cry on princess, sit I ya corner pooing your pants worrying that some big black, Islamic feminist, homosexual, environmentalist pedophile asylum seeker is going to rape you and steal all your stuff.

Perhaps I should just do a sharp-left turn and become a latte-sipping laid-back liberal luvvie with a hard-on for smacking up my own society by advocating for yet more nonassimilable hostile aliens to come fill our ethnic ghettoes?


Rubin wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 3:12pm:

Must be horrible to live in fear of everything like you do Herbert I really hope you can get some help with that one day. Maybe do something to build up your self esteem and confidence.

;D

You guys always revert to ad hominem whenever you find yourselves at a loss to know how to answer informed criticism sensibly and rationally.

Nice try, but no cigar.

Can we believe the Govt. since they now unashamedly block
the news getting out?

Maybe there are still many boats we don't know about which have turned up?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

Can we believe the Govt. since they now unashamedly block the news getting out? Maybe there are still many boats we don't know about which have turned up?

I gather you are the one the village is looking for?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

Can we believe the Govt. since they now unashamedly block the news getting out? Maybe there are still many boats we don't know about which have turned up?

The tactic is working.

Abbott has already explained that ANY information that gets to the people-smugglers and the corrupt Indonesian officials is a help to them in formulating new and more effect strategies for bypassing the current barriers.

Greensprogress wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 3:47pm: Can we believe the Govt. since they now unashamedly block the news getting out? Maybe there are still many boats we don't know about which have turned up? I gather you are the one the village is looking for?

nope, that village is not looking, they kept it quiet.
In case someone found him and bought him back.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 4:00pm:

Greensprogress wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 3:49pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 3:47pm: Can we believe the Govt. since they now unashamedly block the news getting out? Maybe there are still many boats we don't know about which have turned up? I gather you are the one the village is looking for? nope, that village is not looking, they kept it quiet. In case someone found him and bought him back.

forgiven

namaste

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

Rubin wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 3:12pm: Herbert you want it just as bad, but you're to gutless to do anything about it except cry on princess, sit I ya corner pooing your pants worrying that some big black, Islamic feminist, homosexual, environmentalist pedophile asylum seeker is going to rape you and steal all your stuff. Perhaps I should just do a sharp-left turn and become a latte-sipping laid-back liberal luvvie with a hard-on for smacking up my own society by advocating for yet more nonassimilable hostile aliens to come fill our ethnic ghettoes? Rubin wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 3:12pm: Must be horrible to live in fear of everything like you do Herbert I really hope you can get some help with that one day. Maybe do something to build up your self esteem and confidence.  ;D You guys always revert to ad hominem whenever you find yourselves at a loss to know how to answer informed criticism sensibly and rationally. Nice try, but no cigar.

No informed criticism from you Herbert just fear. You are scared that other cultures will over power our that's what It boils down to ya just a nervous nanny. Trying to rally others through good word smithing to deny desperate  people access to a better life. It all right the are plenty of brave men and women in our police forces, emergency services and defence force they are diverse in sexuality and ethnic backgrounds and the will protect  you, they have done and outstanding job of that for a long time because of that diversity and the fact that they're not chicken manure . See no need to be so scared no one is going to hurt you Herbert.

Rubin wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:

No informed criticism from you Herbert just fear.

Patently untrue, which begs the question ~ what are you worried about that you have to resort to gross exaggeration and lies with me?


Rubin wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:

You are scared that other cultures will over power our that's what It boils down to ya just a nervous nanny.

Would you like to say that to our aboriginal brothers?


Rubin wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:

Trying to rally others through good word smithing to deny desperate  people access to a better life.

You really haven't been paying attention, have you? The links, the details of the various reports, the actual facts that pertain to these matters, the points myself and others have raised ~ it's all been fairly irrelevant to you, hasn't it?

You've read bits and pieces here and there with a jaundiced eye, and then gone with your 'gut feeling' and your own little prejudices and biasses.

You're still avoiding having to face the task of answering the actual points raised by myself and others.

Take your time.

If you feel that by continuing to serialise your ad hominems it serves to distract from your lack of competence in addressing these issues, then by all means continue in this vein.

I'm sure that when you finally feel ready to post something relevant to the topic in question, you'll make a good fist of it.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

Rubin wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 4:18pm: No informed criticism from you Herbert just fear. Patently untrue, which begs the question ~ what are you worried about that you have to resort to gross exaggeration and lies with me? Rubin wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 4:18pm: You are scared that other cultures will over power our that's what It boils down to ya just a nervous nanny. Would you like to say that to our aboriginal brothers? Rubin wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 4:18pm: Trying to rally others through good word smithing to deny desperate  people access to a better life. You really haven't been paying attention, have you? The links, the details of the various reports, the actual facts that pertain to these matters, the points myself and others have raised ~ it's all been fairly irrelevant to you, hasn't it? You've read bits and pieces here and there with a jaundiced eye, and then gone with your 'gut feeling' and your own little prejudices and biasses. You're still avoiding having to face the task of answering the actual points raised by myself and others. Take your time. If you feel that by continuing to serialise your ad hominems it serves to distract from your lack of competence in addressing these issues, then by all means continue in this vein. I'm sure that when you finally feel ready to post something relevant to the topic in question, you'll make a good fist of it.

I not worried about a thing as for my aboriginal brothers they hunted and killed on mass by another nations military and denied all human rights until recently hardly the same tactics employed by asylum seekers. The topic is a statement not a question. I haven't got the ability to address these issue because these issues are secret  and very little no official information has been released for we know the reason no boats have arrived is because of a heavier monsoon season than normal, so fewer boats have attempted to come. So again what facts are talking about?

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 5:47pm:

There is nothing to “beg to differ” about! Grammar is not logic or mathematics! You ain’t no christian and that is for sure. More a hypocrite—approves of people being imprisoned without hope for the crime of wanting to escape persecution and seek asylum and make a new life here, then on Sunday you go to church and think yourself a fine fellow! Real christians are christians seven days a week. You are a phony christian.

Yes there is. Strictly speaking, 'You ain't no Christian'  would mean that you are saying that I am indeed a Christian.

As a Christian, I support a policy that has prevented seeing people dying at sea, like the 1200 who died under the watch of Labor and the Greens.

matty wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:07pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 5:47pm: There is nothing to “beg to differ” about! Grammar is not logic or mathematics! You ain’t no christian and that is for sure. More a hypocrite—approves of people being imprisoned without hope for the crime of wanting to escape persecution and seek asylum and make a new life here, then on Sunday you go to church and think yourself a fine fellow! Real christians are christians seven days a week. You are a phony christian. Yes there is. Strictly speaking, 'You ain't no Christian'  would mean that you are saying that I am indeed a Christian. As a Christian, I support a policy that has prevented seeing people dying at sea, like the 1200 who died under the watch of Labor and the Greens.

Where would you prefer to see them die?

Rubin wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:33pm:

... as for my aboriginal brothers they hunted and killed on mass by another nations military and denied all human rights until recently

Which aborigines had 'Human Rights' over the past 40,000 years?  They had no 'human rights'. The women were treated with unrelenting violence from the men .... The girls were raped at an early age ... The boys were buggered by the elders ... And it was all about warring with the neighbouring tribes.[/quote]

Rubin wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:11pm:

matty wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 9:07pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 5:47pm: There is nothing to “beg to differ” about! Grammar is not logic or mathematics! You ain’t no christian and that is for sure. More a hypocrite—approves of people being imprisoned without hope for the crime of wanting to escape persecution and seek asylum and make a new life here, then on Sunday you go to church and think yourself a fine fellow! Real christians are christians seven days a week. You are a phony christian. Yes there is. Strictly speaking, 'You ain't no Christian'  would mean that you are saying that I am indeed a Christian. As a Christian, I support a policy that has prevented seeing people dying at sea, like the 1200 who died under the watch of Labor and the Greens. Where would you prefer to see them die?

.In their own countries preferably

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:30am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:05am: ow that they're in Opposition (where they belong) they're blaming Abbott for everything to do with a problem they themselves created. Actually no they're not. Their attack on Morrison has been extremely limited and muted - precisely because they would be attacking their own policy. Thus far, labor attacks is literally restricted to the secrecy issue. Only the greens are attacking the overall policies related to punitive measures - offshore/outsourced processing, detention run by untrained thugs, and of course the whole "we're going to punish you for seeking our help by resettling you in 3rd world poo holes" thing. If they can fly to Indonesia, they can fly here. That they try to sneak in the back door shows they are of suspicious character. It's that simple. They also wouldn't bypass countries that are UNHCR signatories - real refugees would stop at the first safe place they could find, not take a treacherous journey across the ocean in a leaky Indonesian fishing boat.

A true refugee would be eager to prove his claim of persecution therefore, he wouldn't throw away his documentation.

These illegals are just looking for an easier life for themselves and their clutch.

Most of their womenfolk are good but have to keep their mouths shut.

olde.sault wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:30am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:05am: ow that they're in Opposition (where they belong) they're blaming Abbott for everything to do with a problem they themselves created. Actually no they're not. Their attack on Morrison has been extremely limited and muted - precisely because they would be attacking their own policy. Thus far, labor attacks is literally restricted to the secrecy issue. Only the greens are attacking the overall policies related to punitive measures - offshore/outsourced processing, detention run by untrained thugs, and of course the whole "we're going to punish you for seeking our help by resettling you in 3rd world poo holes" thing. If they can fly to Indonesia, they can fly here. That they try to sneak in the back door shows they are of suspicious character. It's that simple. They also wouldn't bypass countries that are UNHCR signatories - real refugees would stop at the first safe place they could find, not take a treacherous journey across the ocean in a leaky Indonesian fishing boat. A true refugee would be eager to prove his claim of persecution therefore, he wouldn't throw away his documentation.   Documentation wouldn't prove persecution. These illegals are just looking for an easier life for themselves and their clutch.   1. They're not "illegals".  2. Nothing wrong with striving for a better life. Most of their womenfolk are good but have to keep their mouths shut.   So, you're a sexist bigot?  Hmmm.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

olde.sault wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 10:32am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:30am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:05am: ow that they're in Opposition (where they belong) they're blaming Abbott for everything to do with a problem they themselves created. Actually no they're not. Their attack on Morrison has been extremely limited and muted - precisely because they would be attacking their own policy. Thus far, labor attacks is literally restricted to the secrecy issue. Only the greens are attacking the overall policies related to punitive measures - offshore/outsourced processing, detention run by untrained thugs, and of course the whole "we're going to punish you for seeking our help by resettling you in 3rd world poo holes" thing. If they can fly to Indonesia, they can fly here. That they try to sneak in the back door shows they are of suspicious character. It's that simple. They also wouldn't bypass countries that are UNHCR signatories - real refugees would stop at the first safe place they could find, not take a treacherous journey across the ocean in a leaky Indonesian fishing boat. A true refugee would be eager to prove his claim of persecution therefore, he wouldn't throw away his documentation.   Documentation wouldn't prove persecution. It would, however, prove their identity and allow authorities to verify and assess their claim. These illegals are just looking for an easier life for themselves and their clutch.   1. They're not "illegals".  2. Nothing wrong with striving for a better life. 1. They're illegal immigrants, deal with it. 2. If they want a better life, apply through the proper channels like the people from the US, UK and a myriad of other countries do, instead of hopping onto a leaky boat in direct defiance against what the government has said is acceptable. Most of their womenfolk are good but have to keep their mouths shut.   So, you're a sexist bigot?  Hmmm. Is it sexist and bigoted to state the obvious about how women are treated in some of the countries in question? Of course not!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 11:22am: olde.sault wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 10:32am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:30am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:05am: ow that they're in Opposition (where they belong) they're blaming Abbott for everything to do with a problem they themselves created. Actually no they're not. Their attack on Morrison has been extremely limited and muted - precisely because they would be attacking their own policy. Thus far, labor attacks is literally restricted to the secrecy issue. Only the greens are attacking the overall policies related to punitive measures - offshore/outsourced processing, detention run by untrained thugs, and of course the whole "we're going to punish you for seeking our help by resettling you in 3rd world poo holes" thing. If they can fly to Indonesia, they can fly here. That they try to sneak in the back door shows they are of suspicious character. It's that simple. They also wouldn't bypass countries that are UNHCR signatories - real refugees would stop at the first safe place they could find, not take a treacherous journey across the ocean in a leaky Indonesian fishing boat. A true refugee would be eager to prove his claim of persecution therefore, he wouldn't throw away his documentation.   Documentation wouldn't prove persecution. It would, however, prove their identity and allow authorities to verify and assess their claim. It wouldn't prove persecution - that's the issue. These illegals are just looking for an easier life for themselves and their clutch.   1. They're not "illegals".  2. Nothing wrong with striving for a better life. 1. They're illegal immigrants, deal with it. 2. If they want a better life, apply through the proper channels like the people from the US, UK and a myriad of other countries do, instead of hopping onto a leaky boat in direct defiance against what the government has said is acceptable. Incorrect: they are not illegal immigrants.  Somebody has given you the wrong information. Most of their womenfolk are good but have to keep their mouths shut.   So, you're a sexist bigot?  Hmmm. Is it sexist and bigoted to state the obvious about how women are treated in some of the countries in question? Of course not! No, and I never said that it was.  Stop assuming things.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:41am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 11:36am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 11:22am: olde.sault wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 10:32am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:30am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:05am: ow that they're in Opposition (where they belong) they're blaming Abbott for everything to do with a problem they themselves created. Actually no they're not. Their attack on Morrison has been extremely limited and muted - precisely because they would be attacking their own policy. Thus far, labor attacks is literally restricted to the secrecy issue. Only the greens are attacking the overall policies related to punitive measures - offshore/outsourced processing, detention run by untrained thugs, and of course the whole "we're going to punish you for seeking our help by resettling you in 3rd world poo holes" thing. If they can fly to Indonesia, they can fly here. That they try to sneak in the back door shows they are of suspicious character. It's that simple. They also wouldn't bypass countries that are UNHCR signatories - real refugees would stop at the first safe place they could find, not take a treacherous journey across the ocean in a leaky Indonesian fishing boat. A true refugee would be eager to prove his claim of persecution therefore, he wouldn't throw away his documentation.   Documentation wouldn't prove persecution. It would, however, prove their identity and allow authorities to verify and assess their claim. It wouldn't prove persecution - that's the issue. You definitely can't prove or disprove anything if you can't verify their identity and country of origin and that's only possible with a passport. These illegals are just looking for an easier life for themselves and their clutch.   1. They're not "illegals".  2. Nothing wrong with striving for a better life. 1. They're illegal immigrants, deal with it. 2. If they want a better life, apply through the proper channels like the people from the US, UK and a myriad of other countries do, instead of hopping onto a leaky boat in direct defiance against what the government has said is acceptable. Incorrect: they are not illegal immigrants.  Somebody has given you the wrong information. Check the Department of Immigration's website - they're clearly defined there as illegal immigrants, not irregular arrivals, the absurd name given to them by Bowen as if they're users of some infrequent and legal ferry service! Most of their womenfolk are good but have to keep their mouths shut.   So, you're a sexist bigot?  Hmmm. Is it sexist and bigoted to state the obvious about how women are treated in some of the countries in question? Of course not! No, and I never said that it was.  Stop assuming things. Actually, you did.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:47am:

Check the Department of Immigration's website - they're clearly defined there as illegal immigrants ...

Nope. They are not defined there as illegal immigrants.



Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:47am:

Actually, you did.

Nope.  You need your eyes checked.

I see another boat load of illegals were returned to where they came from.

That must be a kick in the nuts for labor who were totally useless in dealing with a problem they created.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:47am:

Check the Department of Immigration's website - they're clearly defined there as illegal immigrants ...

I did.

Perhaps you should check too:  http://www.immi.gov.au/Live/Pages/refugees/no-way.aspx

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

I see another boat load of illegals were returned to where they came from. That must be a kick in the nuts for labor who were totally useless in dealing with a problem they created.

It's the 7th boat returned to Indonesia.

I can't understand why the Indonesians are not too happy about this turn of events, and why they keep denying they know anything about the launching of these boats from their shores.

And why aren't the Indonesians returning these orange boats that the Liberal government has been using to send these human contraband back to Indonesia's safe shores?

It's taken decades, but at last we've got a no-nonsense prime minister in Tony Abbott who isn't afraid to give the Indonesian leadership a good kick up the arse for their years of cheeky mischief with the boat-people. 

The value of every lifeboat not returned to us should/could be deducted from our aid budget to the indons. A lot of that money goes straight into the pockets of the crooks at the top so it should get their attention

5.56_ NATO wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 1:45pm:

The value of every lifeboat not returned to us should/could be deducted from our aid budget to the indons. A lot of that money goes straight into the pockets of the crooks at the top so it should get their attention

Good thinking.

But I doubt very much that even Abbott has the balls to make these deductions.

Maybe he will if he gets in for a second term.

The luvvies will say that Foreign Aid is all going to the poor and the needy, and that it would be them who suffer. Utter nonsense, of course.


Quote:

Leading British politicians want their country's aid to Nigeria stopped, asking why Britain should give over £1billion in aid to Nigeria which is spending hundreds of millions of pounds on its own space programme. Nigeria has the second highest national income of all African countries and is to receive £275million from the UK this year alone, with a further yearly average of £250 million until 2015. British politicians are angry that despite almost 70 per cent of the population living on less than 64 pence a day, the country intends to send astronauts into space in the next two years.

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"If India doesn't want our aid, stop it now", Cameron told after country labels £280m-a-year donations as 'peanuts'

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It's time the Western nations stopped making a bloody fool of themselves. We've become a laughing-stock.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

I see another boat load of illegals were returned to where they came from. That must be a kick in the nuts for labor who were totally useless in dealing with a problem they created.

Where were they intercepted?

5.56_ NATO wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 10:18am:

Rubin wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 9:11pm: matty wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 9:07pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 5:47pm: There is nothing to “beg to differ” about! Grammar is not logic or mathematics! You ain’t no christian and that is for sure. More a hypocrite—approves of people being imprisoned without hope for the crime of wanting to escape persecution and seek asylum and make a new life here, then on Sunday you go to church and think yourself a fine fellow! Real christians are christians seven days a week. You are a phony christian. Yes there is. Strictly speaking, 'You ain't no Christian'  would mean that you are saying that I am indeed a Christian. As a Christian, I support a policy that has prevented seeing people dying at sea, like the 1200 who died under the watch of Labor and the Greens. Where would you prefer to see them die? .In their own countries preferably

Fair enough so let's cut our associations with the UN it costs us big time and stop pretending we give a dam. I'm fine with that, not fine with being a hypocrite pretending to care about what happens to other people. Stop spending money on foreign aid or sending our troops to fight for people we don't give a dam about. Spend our money building the country and defending our position.  Fair enough ?

Rubin wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:

Fair enough so let's cut our associations with the UN it costs us big time and stop pretending we give a dam. I'm fine with that, not fine with being a hypocrite pretending to care about what happens to other people. Stop spending money on foreign aid or sending our troops to fight for people we don't give a dam about. Spend our money building the country and defending our position.  Fair enough ?

Excellent commentary, Rubin. You're beginning to get your priorities right.

When our aborigines want for nothing, and are fully assimilated into mainstream society and reaping all of its benefits ~ maybe then we can start looking further afield to spend our charity dollars on.

But for as long as we have ...
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"over 800 aborigines sleeping in the streets every night in Darwin"

.... then charity needs to be spent at home until our own house is in order.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 4:12pm:

5.56_ NATO wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 1:45pm: The value of every lifeboat not returned to us should/could be deducted from our aid budget to the indons. A lot of that money goes straight into the pockets of the crooks at the top so it should get their attention Good thinking. But I doubt very much that even Abbott has the balls to make these deductions. Maybe he will if he gets in for a second term. The luvvies will say that Foreign Aid is all going to the poor and the needy, and that it would be them who suffer. Utter nonsense, of course. Quote: Leading British politicians want their country's aid to Nigeria stopped, asking why Britain should give over £1billion in aid to Nigeria which is spending hundreds of millions of pounds on its own space programme. Nigeria has the second highest national income of all African countries and is to receive £275million from the UK this year alone, with a further yearly average of £250 million until 2015. British politicians are angry that despite almost 70 per cent of the population living on less than 64 pence a day, the country intends to send astronauts into space in the next two years. link ******* [quote]"If India doesn't want our aid, stop it now", Cameron told after country labels £280m-a-year donations as 'peanuts'

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It's time the Western nations stopped making a bloody fool of themselves. We've become a laughing-stock.


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We still come out ahead even factoring in the cost of these lifeboats.

83.5% of all country shopping economic migrants surveyed were still on centrelink up to 5 years after arriving here.

The unemployment rate for those who do not speak english is 100%

The governments resettlement survey has these figures.

Why do we give Indonesia over $10 million per week,that money could be spent on Australian industry.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 6:11pm:

Why do we give Indonesia over $10 million per week,that money could be spent on Australian industry.

Or more orange life boats.

Where is our Foreign Aid disappearing to in Indonesia? Isn't the money to fund humanitarian projects?

So after all these years of donating Foreign Aid to Indonesia why do prisoners in their jails still sleep on thin mattresses on the floor in small cells with a dozen prisoners in them?

Let's stop making fools of ourselves with these Third World gangster countries that secretly hate us for humiliating them with our charity donations. 

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I noticed tonight that Abbott is still going ahead with his stupid and expensive 'Paid Parental Leave' scheme. What an idiot. Why not give them a free trip to Disneyland while he's about it?

Aussie wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 12:14pm: I see another boat load of illegals were returned to where they came from. That must be a kick in the nuts for labor who were totally useless in dealing with a problem they created. Where were they intercepted?

Mr B. V. Rort.  Can you tell us, please?

Not one boat since December 19!

How do you know? Operational secrecy and all that ...... Don't tell me some people are actually naive enough to believe it just because the same people that bought you 'children overboard' say so?? 

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John Smith wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 9:04pm:

Not one boat since December 19! How do you know? Operational secrecy and all that ...... Don't tell me some people are actually naive enough to believe it just because the same people that bought you 'children overboard' say so??  http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/1103/tool-missing-teeth-stupid-grin-hillbilly-demotivational-posters-1301529463.jpg

Are you suggesting that the government is smuggling people onto Christmas Island or the mainland AND  nobody notices and everyone who does is paid off? Are you completely out of your fvckn mind?

I mean is there no fvckn idiotic nudge nugdge that you lefty bastards will not consider TOO bloody stupid???

No, there isn't.