Dear O dear O dear ....


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Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11, a senior security official has warned. Charles Farr, the head of the Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism, said the work of the security services would be dominated by the fall-out of the bloody conflict for a long time to come. It comes after Foreign Secretary William Hague warned the numbers of UK fighters returning from Syria was now of ‘serious concern’ and the spy agencies were working closely on tackling the terror threat.

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When will Western politicians and policy makers, stop denying that ISLAM [and therefore moslems and moslem communities] who are being accommodated [and culturally appeased] in the West, are an existential threat to our persons, our culture and our way of life ?






IMAGE...
http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg
London, mainstream moslem street protests.
Moslems 'demonstrating' just how rational and 'peaceful' mainstream moslems really are.


THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"




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THE ALLAH OF THE MOSLEMS' KORAN....

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29



FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED - THE HADITH....

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)" "
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196


"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i

n.b.
......"He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause."


"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:52am:

Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11

What happened on 9/11 in Britain?

Stratos wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:18am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:52am: Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11 What happened on 9/11 in Britain?

Read the sentence again ~ carefully this time.

Rather than give my students the answer, I believe it's a lot more beneficial if they are to work it out for themselves.

Yadda, what grieves these London Muslims the most is the realisation (and the embarrassment) that the whole culture of Islam has kept them festering for generations in Medieval poverty in the shadow of a Western civilisation that has progressed way beyond the narrow social restrictions of Middle Eastern society by several hundred years.

They are to be pitied. Their beards. Their nightgowns. Their sandals. All these Medieval accoutrements bind them to centuries of developmental inertia.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:52am:

Dear O dear O dear .... Quote: Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11, a senior security official has warned. Charles Farr, the head of the Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism, said the work of the security services would be dominated by the fall-out of the bloody conflict for a long time to come. It comes after Foreign Secretary William Hague warned the numbers of UK fighters returning from Syria was now of ‘serious concern’ and the spy agencies were working closely on tackling the terror threat. link

Interestingly, Thomas More said exactly the same thing in his Utopia. His very purpose in proposing a perfectly functional society back in 1516 was to solve the problem of returned soldiers from various European wars.

Those soldiers posed huge social problems and got up to no end of mischief. Most became thieves, murderers, bandits and pirates, or worse, mercenaries. Ultimately, those mercenaries formed the basis of power of all European rulers, popes and kings included. Their actions formed the borders of modern nation states.

Nothing changes, and nothing stays the same.

Stratos wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:18am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:52am: Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11 What happened on 9/11 in Britain?

Oh, nothing much. Tony Blair started a series of meetings with George Bush, and for some mysterious reason, decided to invade Iraq of all places.

To this day, Iraq is in a state of civil war. One by one, the Arab states struggled to depose their Western puppets and post-colonial dictators. Some failed, some actually succeeded. And oddly enough, many Middle Eastern refugees ended up in Britain.

Some things change, and some things stay the same.

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow.

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:13pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:52am: Dear O dear O dear .... Quote: Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11, a senior security official has warned. Charles Farr, the head of the Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism, said the work of the security services would be dominated by the fall-out of the bloody conflict for a long time to come. It comes after Foreign Secretary William Hague warned the numbers of UK fighters returning from Syria was now of ‘serious concern’ and the spy agencies were working closely on tackling the terror threat. link Interestingly, Thomas More said exactly the same thing in his Utopia. His very purpose in proposing a perfectly functional society back in 1516 was to solve the problem of returned soldiers from various European wars. Those soldiers posed huge social problems and got up to no end of mischief. Most became thieves, murderers, bandits and pirates, or worse, mercenaries. Ultimately, those mercenaries formed the basis of power of all European rulers, popes and kings included. Their actions formed the borders of modern nation states. Nothing changes, and nothing stays the same.

As always, you overlook the pertinent point out of ignorance or purposeful malice - these jihadi bastards are NOT our soldiers, returning from the good fight fought on our behalf. These are our enemies, were our enemies when they went to Syria and returning from there remain our enemies.

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:37pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 9:13pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:52am: Dear O dear O dear .... Quote: Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11, a senior security official has warned. Charles Farr, the head of the Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism, said the work of the security services would be dominated by the fall-out of the bloody conflict for a long time to come. It comes after Foreign Secretary William Hague warned the numbers of UK fighters returning from Syria was now of ‘serious concern’ and the spy agencies were working closely on tackling the terror threat. link Interestingly, Thomas More said exactly the same thing in his Utopia. His very purpose in proposing a perfectly functional society back in 1516 was to solve the problem of returned soldiers from various European wars. Those soldiers posed huge social problems and got up to no end of mischief. Most became thieves, murderers, bandits and pirates, or worse, mercenaries. Ultimately, those mercenaries formed the basis of power of all European rulers, popes and kings included. Their actions formed the borders of modern nation states. Nothing changes, and nothing stays the same. As always, you overlook the pertinent point out of ignorance or purposeful malice - these jihadi bastards are NOT our soldiers, returning from the good fight fought on our behalf. These are our enemies, were our enemies when they went to Syria and returning from there remain our enemies.

That’s strange. The al Assad regime was listed as "our" enemy in George Bush’s State of the Union Address in 2002.

These are our enemies, were our enemies, and will always be our enemies. Absolutely. Always. Never ever.

Except when they are the enemies of our enemies, or our friends.

It’s goodies and baddies, old chap. Same as when our enemy was Spain, or Prussia, or France.

We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia, no?

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:13pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:52am: Dear O dear O dear .... Quote: Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11, a senior security official has warned. Charles Farr, the head of the Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism, said the work of the security services would be dominated by the fall-out of the bloody conflict for a long time to come. It comes after Foreign Secretary William Hague warned the numbers of UK fighters returning from Syria was now of ‘serious concern’ and the spy agencies were working closely on tackling the terror threat. link Interestingly, Thomas More said exactly the same thing in his Utopia. His very purpose in proposing a perfectly functional society back in 1516 was to solve the problem of returned soldiers from various European wars. Those soldiers posed huge social problems and got up to no end of mischief. Most became thieves, murderers, bandits and pirates, or worse, mercenaries. Ultimately, those mercenaries formed the basis of power of all European rulers, popes and kings included. Their actions formed the borders of modern nation states. Nothing changes, and nothing stays the same.

Nails are not made of good iron, nor soldiers of good men.
- Chinese Proverb

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:49pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 9:37pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 9:13pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:52am: Dear O dear O dear .... Quote: Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11, a senior security official has warned. Charles Farr, the head of the Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism, said the work of the security services would be dominated by the fall-out of the bloody conflict for a long time to come. It comes after Foreign Secretary William Hague warned the numbers of UK fighters returning from Syria was now of ‘serious concern’ and the spy agencies were working closely on tackling the terror threat. link Interestingly, Thomas More said exactly the same thing in his Utopia. His very purpose in proposing a perfectly functional society back in 1516 was to solve the problem of returned soldiers from various European wars. Those soldiers posed huge social problems and got up to no end of mischief. Most became thieves, murderers, bandits and pirates, or worse, mercenaries. Ultimately, those mercenaries formed the basis of power of all European rulers, popes and kings included. Their actions formed the borders of modern nation states. Nothing changes, and nothing stays the same. As always, you overlook the pertinent point out of ignorance or purposeful malice - these jihadi bastards are NOT our soldiers, returning from the good fight fought on our behalf. These are our enemies, were our enemies when they went to Syria and returning from there remain our enemies. That’s strange. The al Assad regime was listed as "our" enemy in George Bush’s State of the Union Address in 2002. These are our enemies, were our enemies, and will always be our enemies. Absolutely. Always. Never ever. Except when they are the enemies of our enemies, or our friends. It’s goodies and baddies, old chap. Same as when our enemy was Spain, or Prussia, or France. We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia, no?

Again, in your rush to be the ignorant clown, you overlook that Islam has never been anything but the enemy of the west, from the day the Jews laughed Mohammed out of court.

Show us a time in history when Islam was urging its followers to be a bit more like the West, whether Christians or secular either as Marxist or as liberal democratic.  Fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan for 10 years out of 1400 didn't make Islam a friend of the west.

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 9:49pm: Soren wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 9:37pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 9:13pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:52am: Dear O dear O dear .... Quote: Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11, a senior security official has warned. Charles Farr, the head of the Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism, said the work of the security services would be dominated by the fall-out of the bloody conflict for a long time to come. It comes after Foreign Secretary William Hague warned the numbers of UK fighters returning from Syria was now of ‘serious concern’ and the spy agencies were working closely on tackling the terror threat. link Interestingly, Thomas More said exactly the same thing in his Utopia. His very purpose in proposing a perfectly functional society back in 1516 was to solve the problem of returned soldiers from various European wars. Those soldiers posed huge social problems and got up to no end of mischief. Most became thieves, murderers, bandits and pirates, or worse, mercenaries. Ultimately, those mercenaries formed the basis of power of all European rulers, popes and kings included. Their actions formed the borders of modern nation states. Nothing changes, and nothing stays the same. As always, you overlook the pertinent point out of ignorance or purposeful malice - these jihadi bastards are NOT our soldiers, returning from the good fight fought on our behalf. These are our enemies, were our enemies when they went to Syria and returning from there remain our enemies. That’s strange. The al Assad regime was listed as "our" enemy in George Bush’s State of the Union Address in 2002. These are our enemies, were our enemies, and will always be our enemies. Absolutely. Always. Never ever. Except when they are the enemies of our enemies, or our friends. It’s goodies and baddies, old chap. Same as when our enemy was Spain, or Prussia, or France. We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia, no? Again, in your rush to be the ignorant clown, you overlook that Islam has never been anything but the enemy of the west, from the day the Jews laughed Mohammed out of court. Show us a time in history when Islam was urging its followers to be a bit more like the West, whether Christians or secular either as Marxist or as liberal democratic.  Fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan for 10 years out of 1400 didn't make Islam a friend of the west.

You’ve had a few this morning, old chap, I can tell. For the last 1400 years the West has been fighting itself. Where the Muselman got involved, he mainly sided with one European power against the other.

But then, which Muselman do you mean? The Javanese joining with the Dutch against the Portugese? The Moroccans joining with the French against the Spanish? The Persians joining with the French against the Russians? The Ottomans joining with the Austrians and Huns against the Western allies? I could go on, you know.

Which ones, old chap?

Absolutely, always, never ever. The enemy of the West has always laid within..

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:52am:

Dear O dear O dear .... Quote: Brits returning from fighting in the Syrian civil war pose the greatest threat to the UK since 9/11, a senior security official has warned. Charles Farr, the head of the Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism, said the work of the security services would be dominated by the fall-out of the bloody conflict for a long time to come. It comes after Foreign Secretary William Hague warned the numbers of UK fighters returning from Syria was now of ‘serious concern’ and the spy agencies were working closely on tackling the terror threat. link

Just scare mongering.

Russia also said Sochi will be attacked but nothing happened.RUssia just making excuse to keep up its attacks on the chechnean people.

Just 3 months ago they said there are 200 Aussies in Syria.Then last month they said 120 are in Syria.

There is no way determining how many people from other countries are in Syria.GOvernments are making up numbers.No flights get into Syria,the only way to get in is through Lebanon or turkey.

wally1 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:50am:

Just scare mongering. Russia also said Sochi will be attacked but nothing happened.RUssia just making excuse to keep up its attacks on the chechnean people.

We can only wish the Russians the best of luck in this endeavour. Those Muslim southern provinces have been the traditional source of Russia's most persistent and Usual Suspect criminals in its big cities.

It's something like the Usual Suspect Muslims that our Sydney police are continually carting off to our criminal courts for a judgement.


wally1 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:50am:

There is no way determining how many people from other countries are in Syria.GOvernments are making up numbers.No flights get into Syria,the only way to get in is through Lebanon or turkey.

These Warriors for Islam will be returning to Australia soon enough. They aren't there for patriotic reasons, as most of them are from Lebanon or elsewhere. So it hasn't been a matter of rallying to help the ancestral homeland. It's been all about installing a strict code of Islam in Syria upon the removal of the current tyrant.

Installing one tyranny for another, you could say.

Enjoy the rest of your day, Wally One.  8-)

Karnal wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

You’ve had a few this morning, old chap, I can tell. For the last 1400 years the West has been fighting itself. Where the Muselman got involved, he mainly sided with one European power against the other. But then, which Muselman do you mean? The Javanese joining with the Dutch against the Portugese? The Moroccans joining with the French against the Spanish? The Persians joining with the French against the Russians? The Ottomans joining with the Austrians and Huns against the Western allies? I could go on, you know. Which ones, old chap? Absolutely, always, never ever. The enemy of the West has always laid within..

Which one of these alliances were motivated by adherence to Islam?


None.

These were instances when Muslims countries tried (and failed) to be nation states along European models.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

wally1 wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 11:50am: Just scare mongering. Russia also said Sochi will be attacked but nothing happened.RUssia just making excuse to keep up its attacks on the chechnean people. We can only wish the Russians the best of luck in this endeavour. Those Muslim southern provinces have been the traditional source of Russia's most persistent and Usual Suspect criminals in its big cities. It's something like the Usual Suspect Muslims that our Sydney police are continually carting off to our criminal courts for a judgement. wally1 wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 11:50am: There is no way determining how many people from other countries are in Syria.GOvernments are making up numbers.No flights get into Syria,the only way to get in is through Lebanon or turkey. These Warriors for Islam will be returning to Australia soon enough. They aren't there for patriotic reasons, as most of them are from Lebanon or elsewhere. So it hasn't been a matter of rallying to help the ancestral homeland. It's been all about installing a strict code of Islam in Syria upon the removal of the current tyrant. Installing one tyranny for another, you could say. Enjoy the rest of your day, Wally One.  8-)

The first person convicted of terrorism in Aus Zak Mallah frequently travels back and forth from Aus to Syria.ANd the government worries about terrorism?

Zak mentions he didn't meet any Aussies in Syria.
There are no statistics on who is going to Syria.MOst Aussies who have died in Syria wasn't on the battle field.

wally1 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 8:45am:

There are no statistics on who is going to Syria.MOst Aussies who have died in Syria wasn't on the battle field.

Indeed. My guess is the vast majority of people who go over to "help" in Syria are non-combatants working with humanitarian agencies in refugee camps. Its probably just as dangerous - if not more.

wally1 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 8:45am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 12:57pm: wally1 wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 11:50am: Just scare mongering. Russia also said Sochi will be attacked but nothing happened.RUssia just making excuse to keep up its attacks on the chechnean people. We can only wish the Russians the best of luck in this endeavour. Those Muslim southern provinces have been the traditional source of Russia's most persistent and Usual Suspect criminals in its big cities. It's something like the Usual Suspect Muslims that our Sydney police are continually carting off to our criminal courts for a judgement. wally1 wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 11:50am: There is no way determining how many people from other countries are in Syria.GOvernments are making up numbers.No flights get into Syria,the only way to get in is through Lebanon or turkey. These Warriors for Islam will be returning to Australia soon enough. They aren't there for patriotic reasons, as most of them are from Lebanon or elsewhere. So it hasn't been a matter of rallying to help the ancestral homeland. It's been all about installing a strict code of Islam in Syria upon the removal of the current tyrant. Installing one tyranny for another, you could say. Enjoy the rest of your day, Wally One.  8-) The first person convicted of terrorism in Aus Zak Mallah frequently travels back and forth from Aus to Syria.ANd the government worries about terrorism? Zak mentions he didn't meet any Aussies in Syria. There are no statistics on who is going to Syria. MOst Aussies who have died in Syria wasn't on the battle field.

wally1,

Everything that a moslem tells us about;
1/ ISLAM,
2/ the behaviour of moslems,
3/ the motives of moslems
- has absolutely no credibility.

And more so, and more so, day after day after day.

Why so ?

Because the constant blatant denials [of what is true], and constant blatant lies of moslems [in the face of evidence to the contrary], is destroying every skerrick of credibility, of the information and the 'protestations', emanating from the moslem 'camp'.


In short; Moslems are inveterate LIARS.

....and this is information about the character of all moslems, is becoming widely understood and known.



"Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229682951/0#0

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You who embrace ISLAM, your own lies and deception, have become a witness against you, before God......

Yadda wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 10:11am:

Everything that a moslem tells us about; 1/ ISLAM, 2/ the behaviour of moslems, 3/ the motives of moslems - has absolutely no credibility.

Except of course when its expressed through placards at a London protest.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 10:17am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 10:11am: Everything that a moslem tells us about; 1/ ISLAM, 2/ the behaviour of moslems, 3/ the motives of moslems - has absolutely no credibility. Except of course when its expressed through placards at a London protest.

Exactly so, gandalf.                    ;)



gandalf,

In some unguarded moments, yes, moslems do reveal what is true.

And gandalf, isn't what those moslems reveal, truly shocking, to a person such as yourself, a person who supports pluralism ?





IMAGE...
http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg
London, mainstream moslem street protests.
Moslems 'demonstrating' just how rational and 'peaceful' mainstream moslems really are.


THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

Yadda wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

In some unguarded moments, yes, moslems do reveal what is true.

;D ;D

Those protestors, straight from the 'islam4peace' bus, had not the slightest inkling whatsoever that waving beheading placards down the main street of London would be seized upon by islamophobes the world over, and posted ad-infinitum on islamophobic boards. They just thought it was a closed-door private meeting between muslims.

As you say, a completely unguarded moment.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 10:24am: In some unguarded moments, yes, moslems do reveal what is true. ;D ;D Those protestors, straight from the 'islam4peace' bus, had not the slightest inkling whatsoever that waving beheading placards down the main street of London would be seized upon by islamophobes the world over, and posted ad-infinitum on islamophobic boards. They just thought it was a closed-door private meeting between muslims. As you say, a completely unguarded moment.

So it's the islamophobes  mistake that they caught a bunch of Muslims holding up beheading placards. There's nothing wrong with beheading placards hey. CAN'T MUSLIM HAVE A PRIVATE MOMENT TO HOLD UP A BEHEADING POSTER PLEASE!!!!

Yadda wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 10:11am:

wally1 wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 8:45am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 12:57pm: wally1 wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 11:50am: Just scare mongering. Russia also said Sochi will be attacked but nothing happened.RUssia just making excuse to keep up its attacks on the chechnean people. We can only wish the Russians the best of luck in this endeavour. Those Muslim southern provinces have been the traditional source of Russia's most persistent and Usual Suspect criminals in its big cities. It's something like the Usual Suspect Muslims that our Sydney police are continually carting off to our criminal courts for a judgement. wally1 wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 11:50am: There is no way determining how many people from other countries are in Syria.GOvernments are making up numbers.No flights get into Syria,the only way to get in is through Lebanon or turkey. These Warriors for Islam will be returning to Australia soon enough. They aren't there for patriotic reasons, as most of them are from Lebanon or elsewhere. So it hasn't been a matter of rallying to help the ancestral homeland. It's been all about installing a strict code of Islam in Syria upon the removal of the current tyrant. Installing one tyranny for another, you could say. Enjoy the rest of your day, Wally One.  8-) The first person convicted of terrorism in Aus Zak Mallah frequently travels back and forth from Aus to Syria.ANd the government worries about terrorism? Zak mentions he didn't meet any Aussies in Syria. There are no statistics on who is going to Syria. MOst Aussies who have died in Syria wasn't on the battle field. wally1, Everything that a moslem tells us about; 1/ ISLAM, 2/ the behaviour of moslems, 3/ the motives of moslems - has absolutely no credibility. And more so, and more so, day after day after day. Why so ? Because the constant blatant denials [of what is true], and constant blatant lies of moslems [in the face of evidence to the contrary], is destroying every skerrick of credibility, of the information and the 'protestations', emanating from the moslem 'camp'. In short; Moslems are inveterate LIARS. ....and this is information about the character of all moslems, is becoming widely understood and known. "Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229682951/0#0 Quote: You who embrace ISLAM, your own lies and deception, have become a witness against you, before God......

And your credible?

Bible full of mistakes,errors,contradictions, omissions.

How does god make so much mistakes? Who follows a book full of errors and mistakes?

Why does god only have a son? Why not a daughter? Christianity ideology just illogic.

wally1 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 10:58am:

Why does god only have a son? Why not a daughter? Christianity ideology just illogic.

Why are there no women prophets in any of the Abrahamic religions?  ;)

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 9:55am:

wally1 wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 8:45am: There are no statistics on who is going to Syria.MOst Aussies who have died in Syria wasn't on the battle field. Indeed. My guess is the vast majority of people who go over to "help" in Syria are non-combatants working with humanitarian agencies in refugee camps. Its probably just as dangerous - if not more.

They are all supporting al-Qaeda associated rebel militias as combat front-liners or as support staff behind the lines. And their intention is to see Syria come under the dictates of an anti-American, anti-Western hardline Islamic theocracy.

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WITH an arm rested on a ute-mounted heavy machine-gun while the flag of al-Qa'ida offshoot the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham waves next to him, Australian man Mohammed Ayub smiles wildly and poses for a battlefront photo in Syria.

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THE number of passports cancelled on national security grounds has almost trebled, amid reports another Australian has been killed in the fighting in Syria. Speculation intensified yesterday that Ahmad Moussalli, apparently from Sydney, had been “martyred” in Syria, making him the ninth Australian known to have been killed in the two-year conflict.

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Australian intelligence officials believe about 100 to 120 Australians are actively involved in the fighting.

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UP to 120 Australians fighting in the Syrian civil war and learning deadly skills which could be used on their return are being funded by Muslim communities here collecting money for humanitarian aid.

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The head of Australia's domestic intelligence agency has confirmed investigations into hundreds of young Australian-Lebanese men who have joined the fighting in Syria.

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Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 9:55am: wally1 wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 8:45am: There are no statistics on who is going to Syria.MOst Aussies who have died in Syria wasn't on the battle field. Indeed. My guess is the vast majority of people who go over to "help" in Syria are non-combatants working with humanitarian agencies in refugee camps. Its probably just as dangerous - if not more. They are all supporting al-Qaeda associated rebel militias as combat front-liners or as support staff behind the lines. And their intention is to see Syria come under the dictates of an anti-American, anti-Western hardline Islamic theocracy.

What, to replace an anti-Amerikan, anti-Western hardline totalitarian regime?

I doubt it. My guess is most of the people going into Syria are doing so as Syrians. This, by the way, is no different from your guess that they are going in as Al Qaida militants.

Al Qaida are not the only organization opposing government forces in Syria. They are one of many. This conflict is not as simplistic as Islamic theocrats opposing Amerika and the west. Mr Abbott himself typified it as "baddies versus baddies".

Many of the opposition groups in Syria are liberal-demokrats. Some are Marxists. It's a hodge-podge resistance with no clear end in sight.

The Al Assad forces could prevail. The opposition forces could prevail. If they win, a power vacuum could see any force take control, but what's also likely, looking at the region's history, is another civil war.

This, remember, is why the realists in the White House left their men in place. Saddam, Morsi, and, when he joined the "War on Terror", even Ghaddafi.

George Bush Junior overturned three decades of Kissengeresque foreign policy, and in doing so, caused most of the problems in the Middle East today. The invasion of Iraq decimated the Baathist power structures in Iraq and created endless civil war. The US's defeat saw opposition groups rise throughout the region, facilitated the Arab Spring, and saw the rise of a new hold on Middle Eastern power: Iran and the Shi'ites.

After Iraq, there is no reason for militias in the Middle East to be Anti-Amerikan. The Amerikans are out of this one. The tectonic plates are shifting. The new powers in the Middle East are Iran and Russia - exactly what the US have been trying to avoid all these years. 

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 11:17am:

wally1 wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 10:58am: Why does god only have a son? Why not a daughter? Christianity ideology just illogic. Why are there no women prophets in any of the Abrahamic religions?  ;)

Are you sure, gandalf ?


Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29  And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30  And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31  The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32  And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.





Exodus 15:20
And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.

Judges 4:4
And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.

2 Kings 22:14
So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asahiah, went unto Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college;) and they communed with her.

2 Chronicles 34:22
And Hilkiah, and they that the king had appointed, went to Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvath, the son of Hasrah, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college:) and they spake to her to that effect.

Nehemiah 6:14
My God, think thou upon Tobiah and Sanballat according to these their works, and on the prophetess Noadiah, and the rest of the prophets, that would have put me in fear.

Luke 2:36
And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;

I think Gandalf needs to read the bible.

wally1 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 10:58am:

Bible full of mistakes,errors,contradictions, omissions. How does god make so much mistakes? Who follows a book full of errors and mistakes? Why does god only have a son? Why not a daughter? Christianity ideology just illogic.

wally1,

You seem so certain.

My God has [spiritual] sons and [spiritual] daughters.



God [the creator] in scripture describes mankind, as his created 'children'.

Deuteronomy 32:19
And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.

Isaiah 1:2
Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.

Jeremiah 4:22
For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Acts 17:28
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.



wally1,

Do you refuse to accept this information ?

If you refuse to open your heart, to God's truth, then you will remain in [spiritual] darkness - in this life, and in the next.

Sparky wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 12:29pm:

I think Gandalf needs to read the bible.

Nah.        ;)

gandalf has the Koran and the Hadith.

Those are all that gandalf requires - he is a moslem.

Yadda wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 12:39pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 12:29pm: I think Gandalf needs to read the bible. Nah.        ;) gandalf has the Koran and the Hadith. Those are all that gandalf requires - he is a moslem.

True, Y, but I've seen you post far more Koran and hadith quotes than G.

You're practically an imam. Have you thought of sitting the test?

Karnal wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 12:39pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 12:29pm: I think Gandalf needs to read the bible. Nah.        ;) gandalf has the Koran and the Hadith. Those are all that gandalf requires - he is a moslem. True, Y, but I've seen you post far more Koran and hadith quotes than G. You're practically an imam. Have you thought of sitting the test?

No thank you.





Koran chapters are set out by 'topic', but the Koran content has almost no context presented within its verses.

The Chapters of the Qur'an:

    AL-FATIHA (THE OPENING)
    AL-BAQARA (THE COW)
    AAL-E-IMRAN (THE FAMILY OF 'IMRAN, THE HOUSE OF 'IMRAN)
    AN-NISA (WOMEN)
    AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD)
    AL-ANAAM (CATTLE, LIVESTOCK)
    AL-ARAF (THE HEIGHTS)
    AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)
    AT-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)
    YUNUS (JONAH)
    HUD (HUD)
    YUSUF (JOSEPH)
    AR-RAD (THE THUNDER)
    IBRAHIM (ABRAHAM)
    AL-HIJR (AL-HIJR, STONELAND, ROCK CITY)
    AN-NAHL (THE BEE)
    AL-ISRA (ISRA', THE NIGHT JOURNEY, CHILDREN OF ISRAEL)
    AL-KAHF (THE CAVE)
    MARYAM (MARY)
    TA-HA (TA-HA)
    AL-ANBIYA (THE PROPHETS)
    AL-HAJJ (THE PILGRIMAGE)
    AL-MUMENOON (THE BELIEVERS)
    AN-NOOR (THE LIGHT)
    AL-FURQAN (THE CRITERION, THE STANDARD)
    ASH-SHUARA (THE POETS)
    AN-NAML (THE ANT, THE ANTS)
    AL-QASAS (THE STORY, STORIES)
    AL-ANKABOOT (THE SPIDER)
    AR-ROOM (THE ROMANS, THE BYZANTINES)
    LUQMAN (LUQMAN)
    AS-SAJDA (THE PROSTRATION,WORSHIP, ADORATION)
    AL-AHZAB (THE CLANS, THE COALITION,THE COMBINED FORCES)
    SABA (SABA, SHEBA)
    FATIR (THE ANGELS, ORIGNATOR)
    YA-SEEN (YA-SEEN)
    AS-SAAFFAT (THOSE WHO SET THE RANKS,DRAWN UP IN RANKS)
    SAD (THE LETTER SAD)
    AZ-ZUMAR (THE TROOPS, THRONGS)
    AL-GHAFIR (THE FORGIVER (GOD) )
    FUSSILAT (EXPLAINED IN DETAIL)
    ASH-SHURA (COUNCIL, CONSULTATION)
    AZ-ZUKHRUF (ORNAMENTS OF GOLD, LUXURY)
    AD-DUKHAN (SMOKE)
    AL-JATHIYA (CROUCHING)
    AL-AHQAF (THE WIND-CURVED SANDHILLS, THE DUNES)
    MUHAMMAD (MUHAMMAD)
    AL-FATH (VICTORY, CONQUEST)
    AL-HUJRAAT (THE PRIVATE APARTMENTS, THE INNER APARTMENTS)
    QAF (THE LETTER QAF)
    ADH-DHARIYAT (THE WINNOWING WINDS)
    AT-TUR (THE MOUNT)
    AN-NAJM (THE STAR)
    AL-QAMAR (THE MOON)
    AR-RAHMAN (THE BENEFICENT, THE MERCY GIVING)
    AL-WAQIA (THE EVENT, THE INEVITABLE)
    AL-HADID (THE IRON)
    AL-MUJADILA (SHE THAT DISPUTETH, THE PLEADING WOMAN)
    AL-HASHR (EXILE, BANISHMENT)
    AL-MUMTAHINA (SHE THAT IS TO BE EXAMINED, EXAMINING HER)
    AS-SAFF (THE RANKS, BATTLE ARRAY)
    AL-JUMUA (THE CONGREGATION, FRIDAY)
    AL-MUNAFIQOON (THE HYPOCRITES)
    AT-TAGHABUN (MUTUAL DISILLUSION, HAGGLING)
    AT-TALAQ (DIVORCE)
    AT-TAHRIM (BANNING, PROHIBITION)
    AL-MULK (THE SOVEREIGNTY, CONTROL)
    AL-QALAM (THE PEN)
    AL-HAAQQA (THE REALITY)
    AL-MAARIJ (THE ASCENDING STAIRWAYS)
    NOOH (NOOH)
    AL-JINN (THE JINN)
    AL-MUZZAMMIL (THE ENSHROUDED ONE, BUNDLED UP)
    AL-MUDDATHTHIR (THE CLOAKED ONE, THE MAN WEARING A CLOAK)
    AL-QIYAMA (THE RISING OF THE DEAD, RESURRECTION)
    AL-INSAN (MAN)
    AL-MURSALAT (THE EMISSARIES, WINDS SENT FORTH)
    AN-NABA (THE TIDINGS, THE ANNOUNCEMENT)
    AN-NAZIAT (THOSE WHO DRAG FORTH, SOUL-SNATCHERS)
    ABASA (HE FROWNED)
    AT-TAKWIR (THE OVERTHROWING)
    AL-INFITAR (THE CLEAVING, BURSTING APART)
    AL-MUTAFFIFIN (DEFRAUDING, THE CHEATS, CHEATING)
    AL-INSHIQAQ (THE SUNDERING, SPLITTING OPEN)
    AL-BUROOJ (THE MANSIONS OF THE STARS, CONSTELLATIONS)
    AT-TARIQ (THE MORNING STAR, THE NIGHTCOMER)
    AL-ALA (THE MOST HIGH, GLORY TO YOUR LORD IN THE HIGHEST)
    AL-GHASHIYA (THE OVERWHELMING, THE PALL)
    AL-FAJR (THE DAWN, DAYBREAK)
    AL-BALAD (THE CITY, THIS COUNTRYSIDE)
    ASH-SHAMS (THE SUN)
    AL-LAIL (THE NIGHT)
    AD-DHUHA (THE MORNING HOURS, MORNING BRIGHT)
    AL-INSHIRAH (SOLACE, CONSOLATION, RELIEF)
    AT-TIN (THE FIG, THE FIGTREE)
    AL-ALAQ (THE CLOT, READ)
    AL-QADR (POWER, FATE)
    AL-BAYYINA (THE CLEAR PROOF, EVIDENCE)
    AZ-ZALZALA (THE EARTHQUAKE)
    AL-ADIYAT (THE COURSER, THE CHARGERS)
    AL-QARIA (THE CALAMITY, THE STUNNING BLOW, THE DISASTER
    AT-TAKATHUR (RIVALRY IN WORLD INCREASE, COMPETITION
    AL-ASR (THE DECLINING DAY, EVENTIDE, THE EPOCH)
    AL-HUMAZA (THE TRADUCER, THE GOSSIPMONGER)
    AL-FIL (THE ELEPHANT)
    QURAISH (WINTER, QURAYSH)
    AL-MAUN (SMALL KINDNESSES, ALMSGIVING, HAVE YOU SEEN)
    AL-KAUTHER (ABUNDANCE, PLENTY)
    AL-KAFIROON (THE DISBELIEVERS, ATHEISTS)
    AN-NASR (SUCCOUR, DIVINE SUPPORT)
    AL-MASADD (PALM FIBRE, THE FLAME)
    AL-IKHLAS (SINCERITY)
    AL-FALAQ (THE DAYBREAK, DAWN)
    AN-NAS (MANKIND)



The Koran is set out in an unstructured format, without any narrative, sequential structure, to present context.

In contrast, many of the books of the OT Bible have a sequential, narrative, structure.

Karnal wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 12:39pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 12:29pm: I think Gandalf needs to read the bible. Nah.        ;) gandalf has the Koran and the Hadith. Those are all that gandalf requires - he is a moslem. True, Y, but I've seen you post far more Koran and hadith quotes than G. You're practically an imam. Have you thought of sitting the test?

No thank you.





I have read the O.T & N.T. Bible [KJV] through cover to cover [no surprise!].

I have read much of the Koran [but not cover to cover], but in my opinion, the Koran [in comparison to the O.T & N.T. Bible scripture], is mostly a lot of boastful, unstructured, largely violent, gibberish!

If you don't believe me [gibberish!], i challenge anyone, read the Koran for yourself and see!

http://quran.com/2/191

And, i do wish that many more people who call themselves, moslems, would read the Koran for themselves,
instead of allowing themselves to be 'instructed', and led, by clerics!







+++

HERE ARE JUST A FEW VERSES FROM THE THE KORAN, AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE NARRATIVE-LESS 'STRUCTURE' OF THE KORAN......



Abu once accused me of misrepresenting some Koran text;


Quote:

".....and [you] refuse to even read the verses around it which give it context...." Where is the narrative structure, which reveals the context ??? 003.104 YUSUFALI: Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong: They are the ones to attain felicity. 003.105 YUSUFALI: Be not like those who are divided amongst themselves and fall into disputations after receiving Clear Signs: For them is a dreadful penalty,- 003.106 YUSUFALI: On the Day when some faces will be (lit up with) white, and some faces will be (in the gloom of) black: To those whose faces will be black, (will be said): "Did ye reject Faith after accepting it? Taste then the penalty for rejecting Faith." 003.107 YUSUFALI: But those whose faces will be (lit with) white,- they will be in (the light of) Allah's mercy: therein to dwell (for ever). 003.108 YUSUFALI: These are the Signs of Allah: We rehearse them to thee in Truth: And Allah means no injustice to any of His creatures. 003.109 YUSUFALI: To Allah belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: To Him do all questions go back (for decision). 003.110 YUSUFALI: Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. 003.111 YUSUFALI: They will do you no harm, barring a trifling annoyance; if they come out to fight you, they will show you their backs, and no help shall they get.

Yadda wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 1:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 1:01pm: Yadda wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 12:39pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 12:29pm: I think Gandalf needs to read the bible. Nah.        ;) gandalf has the Koran and the Hadith. Those are all that gandalf requires - he is a moslem. True, Y, but I've seen you post far more Koran and hadith quotes than G. You're practically an imam. Have you thought of sitting the test? No thank you. I have read the O.T & N.T. Bible [KJV] through cover to cover [no surprise!]. I have read much of the Koran [but not cover to cover],

True, Y, but you don't need to. You get passages from Jihadwatch, Islamreligionofpeace, etc, etc, etc.

You've read the important bits - all the beheading and murdering.

That's all you need to know, Y.

Karnal wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 1:48pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 1:01pm: Yadda wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 12:39pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 12:29pm: I think Gandalf needs to read the bible. Nah.        ;) gandalf has the Koran and the Hadith. Those are all that gandalf requires - he is a moslem. True, Y, but I've seen you post far more Koran and hadith quotes than G. You're practically an imam. Have you thought of sitting the test? No thank you. I have read the O.T & N.T. Bible [KJV] through cover to cover [no surprise!]. I have read much of the Koran [but not cover to cover], True, Y, but you don't need to. You get passages from Jihadwatch, Islamreligionofpeace, etc, etc, etc.

That's true.





And there is no mystery as to what the words in the Koran mean either, K.

Allah himself, declares that fact.

I just open the Koran, and read a Koran verse, and i know straight away, what that Koran verse means.



EXPLANATION;
Allah declares, IN THE KORAN ITSELF, that the words in his inerrant and perfect Koran, are clear [perspicuous!!] and made plain.

And therefore it must be clear [to every moslem] that the words in the Koran, clear-ly mean, what a rational person understands the Koran texts to mean.


as per....

012.001
YUSUFALI: A.L.R. These are the symbols (or Verses) of the perspicuous Book.
PICKTHAL: Alif. Lam. Ra. These are verse of the Scripture that maketh plain.
SHAKIR: Alif Lam Ra. These are the verses of the Book that makes (things) manifest.




Dictionary;
perspicuous = =
1 (of an account or representation) clearly expressed and easily understood; lucid.
2 (of a person) expressing things clearly.


026.002
YUSUFALI: These are verses of the Book that makes (things) clear.
PICKTHAL: These are revelations of the Scripture that maketh plain.
SHAKIR: These are the verses of the Book that makes (things) clear.


See!!!!!           :P

We know that the Koran comes directly from Allah [through the agency of Allah's messenger, pbuh].
[....because moslems tell us this.]

And Allah himself actually declares, within the divinely protected, inerrant and perfect Koran, that Allah has made the Koran so perfect, that anyone who opens that book and reads its words, can easily understand what those words mean.

And, i understand what its words mean!

The Koran = = "the Book that makes (things) manifest"

Yadda wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 12:23pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 11:17am: wally1 wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 10:58am: Why does god only have a son? Why not a daughter? Christianity ideology just illogic. Why are there no women prophets in any of the Abrahamic religions?  ;) Are you sure, gandalf ? Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29  And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. 30  And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31  The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. 32  And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. Exodus 15:20 And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances. Judges 4:4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. 2 Kings 22:14 So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asahiah, went unto Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college;) and they communed with her. 2 Chronicles 34:22 And Hilkiah, and they that the king had appointed, went to Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvath, the son of Hasrah, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college:) and they spake to her to that effect. Nehemiah 6:14 My God, think thou upon Tobiah and Sanballat according to these their works, and on the prophetess Noadiah, and the rest of the prophets, that would have put me in fear. Luke 2:36 And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;

Well I stand corrected.

Thank you Y. You learn a new thing every day innit?  :)

"But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!"

And it's ALL America's fault.


Quote:

Iraq has been locked in a bloody cycle of killings, many orchestrated by Sunni extremists aiming to send a message to the country's Shiite-led government.

link

It really is about time our news media stopped bringing us reports of these psychotic events from beyond the walls of our Western civilisation.

Enough is enough.

Every thousand years or so we can check to see if these barbarians who live beyond the pale have made any advancement in developing a civilised lifestyle.

Other than that I think they should be ignored, and the people quarantined from infecting the West through migrations and 'refugee' ploys.

They are insane by any definition found in psychiatry today. They are diseased with a psychotic illness borne of religious fanaticism.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

"But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!" And it's ALL America's fault. Quote: Iraq has been locked in a bloody cycle of killings, many orchestrated by Sunni extremists aiming to send a message to the country's Shiite-led government. link It really is about time our news media stopped bringing us reports of these psychotic events from beyond the walls of our Western civilisation. Enough is enough.

You said that when we invaded Iraq. And now you're saying it in the aftermath of said invasion.

"They" can't win. And "we" can't lose. It's a jolly world, no?

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

"But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!" And it's ALL America's fault. Quote: Iraq has been locked in a bloody cycle of killings, many orchestrated by Sunni extremists aiming to send a message to the country's Shiite-led government. link It really is about time our news media stopped bringing us reports of these psychotic events from beyond the walls of our Western civilisation. Enough is enough. Every thousand years or so we can check to see if these barbarians who live beyond the pale have made any advancement in developing a civilised lifestyle. Other than that I think they should be ignored, and the people quarantined from infecting the West through migrations and 'refugee' ploys. They are insane by any definition found in psychiatry today. They are diseased with a psychotic illness borne of religious fanaticism.

Saddam was a halve wit but America in Iraq made if no better,America ruined the place.

wally1 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 4:05pm: "But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!" And it's ALL America's fault. Quote: Iraq has been locked in a bloody cycle of killings, many orchestrated by Sunni extremists aiming to send a message to the country's Shiite-led government. link It really is about time our news media stopped bringing us reports of these psychotic events from beyond the walls of our Western civilisation. Enough is enough. Every thousand years or so we can check to see if these barbarians who live beyond the pale have made any advancement in developing a civilised lifestyle. Other than that I think they should be ignored, and the people quarantined from infecting the West through migrations and 'refugee' ploys. They are insane by any definition found in psychiatry today. They are diseased with a psychotic illness borne of religious fanaticism. Saddam was a halve wit but America in Iraq made if no better,America ruined the place.

The US invited Al Qaida and the Shi’a Special Groups into Iraq. The US might as well have paid for their plane tickets and given them a free failed state.

It would have saved Amerika a trillion, give or take.

With that money, they could have paid Haliburton and Blackwater Security to stay at home, and saved a few hundred Amerikan lives.

The 200,000 plus Iraqi lives don’t count. They’re Muslims.

post #35

Thank you gandalf.

wally1 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

Saddam was a halve wit

Saddam was exactly the sort of dictator that Middle Eastern Muslims understand and respect. Police State discipline, with mass graves and torture chambers is all part of the culture.


Think of any Middle Eastern country of the past century alone, and what do we see?

Thugs in power. Godfathers and their henchmen.

Bedouin chieftains who have scrambled their way to the top of the heap. Gangsters with extended families and well-paid personal militia. Saddam had 17 palaces across Iraq.

It's the Muslim way. It's traditional. It's sanctified by centuries of practice. You arrive at the top through years of brutality ~ and your departure is marked by brutality.

And when brutal dictatorships have been removed by outside forces ... it's then time for the ordinary citizens to have their turn at exercising the Muslim Middle Easterner's favourite pastime: Violence.

Saddam was the best man for the job he was tasked with: Maintaining peace among the citizenry.


wally1 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

America ruined the place.

Exactly.

The Americans gave them a system of government known as 'democracy' in which at any one time there will always be at least one party that has to sit in opposition because they lost the election.

This is a big no-no to the Middle Eastern mentality. The idea of being 'defeated' at an election, and then having to suffer the humiliation of being 'subordinate' to the ruling party is an affront to the macho-male ego of the typical Middle Eastern Muslim.

Karnal wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 6:51pm:

The 200,000 plus Iraqi lives don’t count. They’re Muslims.

What's the figure for Muslims killed by Muslims in Iraq since Saddam was hanged and democracy was set in place?

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 7:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 6:51pm: The 200,000 plus Iraqi lives don’t count. They’re Muslims. What's the figure for Muslims killed by Muslims in Iraq since Saddam was hanged and democracy was set in place?

Democracy?

Put me back on your ignore list, Herbie. That question is not even worthy of you.

wally1 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

Saddam was a halve wit but America in Iraq made if no better,America ruined the place.

Exactly.

You either suppress the bastard yourself or you pick a local bastard to suppress them for you.

Under no circumstances allow the buggers to think for themselves because all they can ever think of is to kill each other for some really petty tribal reasons - see Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Labia, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and all the rest.

The Arabs created Allah in their own image - capricious, irrational, sensuous, unpredicatable.

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 8:52pm:

[quote author=wally1 link=1393368776/38#38 date=1393574826] The Arabs created Allah in their own image - capricious, irrational, sensuous, unpredicatable.

Exactly. As do all who worship Gud.

Interesting though that you came to your revelation about Amerikan puppet regimes only after the US failed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Back in 2001, you were the loudest crusader of all.

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 8:52pm:

wally1 wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 6:07pm: Saddam was a halve wit but America in Iraq made if no better,America ruined the place. Exactly. You either suppress the bastard yourself or you pick a local bastard to suppress them for you. Under no circumstances allow the buggers to think for themselves because all they can ever think of is to kill each other for some really petty tribal reasons - see Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Labia, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and all the rest. The Arabs created Allah in their own image - capricious, irrational, sensuous, unpredicatable.

Saddam was already under control.

Saddam had sanctions already in place,he couldn't travel, there was no fly zones.HE was hardly a threat when the American terrorists invaded.

The zionists and neo cons still couldn't be pleased so instead of sending there own kids to fight there war they sent American terrorists to spill blood and cause more havoc.

Karnal wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 8:59pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 8:52pm: [quote author=wally1 link=1393368776/38#38 date=1393574826] The Arabs created Allah in their own image - capricious, irrational, sensuous, unpredicatable. Exactly. As do all who worship Gud. Interesting though that you came to your revelation about Amerikan puppet regimes only after the US failed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Back in 2001, you were the loudest crusader of all.

Thank you for remaining incoherent.

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 9:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 8:59pm: Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 8:52pm: [quote author=wally1 link=1393368776/38#38 date=1393574826] The Arabs created Allah in their own image - capricious, irrational, sensuous, unpredicatable. Exactly. As do all who worship Gud. Interesting though that you came to your revelation about Amerikan puppet regimes only after the US failed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Back in 2001, you were the loudest crusader of all. Thank you for remaining incoherent.

No speaka-da-English, eh? Jolly good.

I’ll translate: old boy wanked off to Amerikan war drums from 2001 on.

Old boy didn’t even know where "the enemy" was. He thought Afghanistan was in the Middle East.

And he still thinks there are Weapons of Mass Destruction hidden in Iraq.

Karnal wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 8:59pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 8:52pm: [quote author=wally1 link=1393368776/38#38 date=1393574826] The Arabs created Allah in their own image - capricious, irrational, sensuous, unpredicatable. Exactly. As do all who worship Gud. Interesting though that you came to your revelation about Amerikan puppet regimes only after the US failed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Back in 2001, you were the loudest crusader of all.

For those that are not from America (almost all you guys) and may be unaware, the U.S. Supreme Court kicked God out of our country in 1947 through the Everson Decision (McCollum Decision in 1948 kicked God out of our schools) which institutionalized the spurious notion and BIG LIE of a separation of church and state in the U.S.. Indeed so well grounded was the U.S. in God, and so fully did we recognize that all of our rights are God-given rights as stated in our Declaration of Independence, that the issue had only been brought before the court on 2 other occasions in the prior 150 years.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
In many early schools the only required texts were Bibles and hymnals.

The establishment clause in our Constitution was included to prevent the U.S. federal government from establishing a state church, which is what many of our forefathers were fleeing to America to escape, in favor of the religious freedom to worship as they chose. However individual states in the U.S. were at complete liberty to establish state churches, and several did, before they themselves recognized the error in having done so.

Prior to Everson was WWII, fought by what is known as the "greatest generation". My parent's generation, which was a broadly Judeo/Christian centered generation. WWII was a consummate struggle of the world defending itself from imperialistic consummate pure evil. For whatever the original intentions, ever since Everson, the U.S. has engaged in one military misadventure after another (Korean war, Viet Nam, etc. etc.), with what wound up being ill defined goals, and generally descending into to wars of attrition (the few day adventure to the tiny Caribbean island of Grenada, to rescue it from communism, perhaps being a notable exception).

The most recent failures are the result of a complete failure to even identify the enemy, which is the counter-Gospel anti-religion of the false prophet Muhammad, itself.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm
As one Israeli journalist put it - in the days following 9-11 when George Bush declared that Islam a religion of peace - "the war is already lost". The U.S. role has resulted in being little more than referees between warring factions of antichrists. Shortly after our departure, matters will only be worse than they were before.

Karnal wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 7:59pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 7:39pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 6:51pm: The 200,000 plus Iraqi lives don’t count. They’re Muslims. What's the figure for Muslims killed by Muslims in Iraq since Saddam was hanged and democracy was set in place? Democracy? Put me back on your ignore list, Herbie. That question is not even worthy of you.

It's an embarrassing question, isn't it? I understand your reluctance. 

If you try to find the answer on Google, you'll notice the luvvies have all but censored out this embarrassing statistic. Check it out for yourself.

Page after page is dominated by obfuscation, smoke-screens, and anti-American diatribe when all you want to know is how many Iraqis have been killed in sectarian violence since the coalition withdrew their forces.

They don't want you to know. The figures are too shameful, and distract from blaming the American's for their body-count, which is nothing like the body-count the local Muslim psychopaths have chalked up against one another with civilian deaths from detonating bombs.

"Hey! It's the Americans doing this! All these body-parts spread around here from Mustafa and Fatimah's wedding procession 10 years after the Americans have left is no ones fault but the AMERICANS! OKAY? GOT THAT? (shouting while holding a knife to your throat).

"YES! YES! Of COURSE it's the AMERICANS who have blown up this wedding procession and killed 48 guests! How can anybody argue with this?"

That’s right, H. Amerika’s decimation of the institutions of a one party state, including the sacking of Baathists from every government position, sending them all running to Al Qaida, - that was Johnny Appleseed, sewing the seeds of demokracy and liberating Iraq.

You’re a Karmic Khristian, no? Like our brother Y.

Karnal wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 10:12am:

That’s right, H. Amerika’s decimation of the institutions of a one party state, including the sacking of Baathists from every government position, sending them all running to Al Qaida, - that was Johnny Appleseed, sewing the seeds of demokracy and liberating Iraq. You’re a Karmic Khristian, no? Like our brother Y.

Typical bigotry of low expectation - the Arabs cannot be expected to act reasonably once their rotten and corrupt system is wept away. They can only be expected to come up with something even worse.

And naturally it is our fault if we expect more from them.

Karnal wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 8:59pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 8:52pm: [quote author=wally1 link=1393368776/38#38 date=1393574826] The Arabs created Allah in their own image - capricious, irrational, sensuous, unpredicatable. Exactly. As do all who worship Gud. Interesting though that you came to your revelation about Amerikan puppet regimes only after the US failed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Back in 2001, you were the loudest crusader of all.

Personally, I think America and the West went wrong from the minute they decided to pull their punches.
If you go to war you should be prepared to keep killing them until THEY know they are beaten. Otherwise don't bother. The mistake -mine included (oh how idealistic we all were in the 80s and 90s) - was to imagine that people are all the same around the world, with similar values, hopes and ideals.
Well, there will be no attempts at 'nation building' or giving the gift of democratic self-determination in the third world for a while  - see Egypt or Syria. They will be allowed to bleed until there is no more blood left. The last man standing will then be throttled unless he obeys. Back to the only language they understand.

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 10:35am:

The mistake -mine included (oh how idealistic we all were in the 80s and 90s) - was to imagine that people are all the same around the world, with similar values, hopes and ideals.

Well said. You're not alone in that. I too nurtured the naive delusion that "basically, we're all the same, and we all bleed red".

Utter bullshit.

The Middle Eastern Muslim mindset is only slightly advanced from the Stone Age.

Nothing at all to do with Islam, you fools!

link

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 10:35am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 8:59pm: Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 8:52pm: [quote author=wally1 link=1393368776/38#38 date=1393574826] The Arabs created Allah in their own image - capricious, irrational, sensuous, unpredicatable. Exactly. As do all who worship Gud. Interesting though that you came to your revelation about Amerikan puppet regimes only after the US failed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Back in 2001, you were the loudest crusader of all. Personally, I think America and the West went wrong from the minute they decided to pull their punches. If you go to war you should be prepared to keep killing them until THEY know they are beaten. Otherwise don't bother. The mistake -mine included (oh how idealistic we all were in the 80s and 90s) - was to imagine that people are all the same around the world, with similar values, hopes and ideals. Well, there will be no attempts at 'nation building' or giving the gift of democratic self-determination in the third world for a while  - see Egypt or Syria. They will be allowed to bleed until there is no more blood left. The last man standing will then be throttled unless he obeys. Back to the only language they understand.

Same with the iraqis and afghanis, they should keep up the attacks against the occupiers and terrorists which enter there country.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 11:43am:

Nothing at all to do with Islam, you fools! link

The thief wanted his hand to be cut off, cant you read?

wally1 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 12:42pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 1st, 2014 at 10:35am: Karnal wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 8:59pm: Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 8:52pm: [quote author=wally1 link=1393368776/38#38 date=1393574826] The Arabs created Allah in their own image - capricious, irrational, sensuous, unpredicatable. Exactly. As do all who worship Gud. Interesting though that you came to your revelation about Amerikan puppet regimes only after the US failed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Back in 2001, you were the loudest crusader of all. Personally, I think America and the West went wrong from the minute they decided to pull their punches. If you go to war you should be prepared to keep killing them until THEY know they are beaten. Otherwise don't bother. The mistake -mine included (oh how idealistic we all were in the 80s and 90s) - was to imagine that people are all the same around the world, with similar values, hopes and ideals. Well, there will be no attempts at 'nation building' or giving the gift of democratic self-determination in the third world for a while  - see Egypt or Syria. They will be allowed to bleed until there is no more blood left. The last man standing will then be throttled unless he obeys. Back to the only language they understand. Same with the iraqis and afghanis, they should keep up the attacks against the occupiers and terrorists which enter there country.

Well, the Iraqis and Afghans (and Muslims generally) are killing each other with far greater gusto and dedication to the task than they do anything else, including trying to build viable societies which is probably not even on their to-do list. The Islamic civil war started when Mohammed dies and will never stop.

wally1 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 12:44pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 1st, 2014 at 11:43am: Nothing at all to do with Islam, you fools! link The thief wanted his hand to be cut off, cant you read?

Ah, yes. I apologise, Wally.

I think it's very kind of all those pious and conscientious Muslims to give him a hand with this, don't you?

It's his HUMAN RIGHT to have his wishes respected, and in the spirit of generous cooperation these Genuine Muslims have gathered around him to help him carry out his wishes.

Goddamnit! You don't get this sort of kind cooperation in Christianity, do you?

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 10:35am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 8:59pm: Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 8:52pm: [quote author=wally1 link=1393368776/38#38 date=1393574826] The Arabs created Allah in their own image - capricious, irrational, sensuous, unpredicatable. Exactly. As do all who worship Gud. Interesting though that you came to your revelation about Amerikan puppet regimes only after the US failed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Back in 2001, you were the loudest crusader of all. Personally, I think America and the West went wrong from the minute they decided to pull their punches. If you go to war you should be prepared to keep killing them until THEY know they are beaten. Otherwise don't bother. The mistake -mine included (oh how idealistic we all were in the 80s and 90s) - was to imagine that people are all the same around the world, with similar values, hopes and ideals.

No, you simply thought they’d kowtow to Uncle’s "surgical" strikes and.military might.

Indeed. How idealistic.

You think Amerika wasn’t prepared to keep killing until the enemy said Uncle? Amerika was well and truly licked in Faluja. It ultimately prevailed there, but the US lost momentum, hope, and the will of its own people to keep fighting an unwinnable, and pointless, war.

Ultimately, it lacked the funds to keep going. The endless "surges", which achieved some initial success, were knocked on the head when Bush lost popular support and Rumsfeld was given the axe.

Amerika was fighting an invisible enemy.  It could.never win. Raiding homes, killing women and children, and shooting cameramen - and their rescuers - from helicopters, is hardly the sign of the US military going soft. The US put everything it had into Iraq, and it’s military and administrative bungling caused it to lose.

The aim was to depose Saddam and create a stable US foothold in the Middle East. Instead, the US created a state of civil war and indefinite instability in the world’s primary source of oil.

And it allowed its enemy Iran to sieze the balance of power.

Always, absolutely, never ever. Your "idealism" was pointed out for what it was prior to 2003. Instead of taking note, you engaged in an orgy of cheap platitudes and blood.

You should learn to listen more, old boy, but you won’t. The ultimate folly of the old boy is his inability to learn from history.  He confuses ignorance with strength.

Without the ability to reason, speculate, plan and yield when the circumstances require, the old boy rants, nashes and foams at the mouth. He is a sheep in wolve’s clothing.

And he calls this idealism.

And this is why I sad IF you go to war. And that idealism about their corrigibility was a mistake.

It is now better to let them bleed each other, as it happens in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Labya, Somalia, Iran. The West's only interest  in Islam's civil war - for that is exactly what is happening - is that both sides should lose.
There is no cuddly, democratic, life-affirming Islam.

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 3:49pm:

And this is why I sad IF you go to war. And that idealism about their corrigibility was a mistake. It is now better to let them bleed each other, as it happens in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Labya, Somalia, Iran. The West's only interest  in Islam's civil war - for that is exactly what is happening - is that both sides should lose. There is no cuddly, democratic, life-affirming Islam.

Exactly.

It's not for nothing that Christians here in Sydney who are of Middle Eastern appearance display a crucifix prominently hanging from their rear-view mirrors or as necklaces to distance themselves from their barbarian cousins.

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 3:49pm:

And this is why I sad IF you go to war. And that idealism about their corrigibility was a mistake. It is now better to let them bleed each other, as it happens in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Labya, Somalia, Iran.

This is old boy wisdom at its most profound. The Middle East is the world’s source of fuel. Control of the oil has given the US its economic and geopolitical power, from WWII on.

The very role of the global hegemon is to police the world’s supply of energy. It’s why Amerika keeps the world’s biggest bastards, the Saudis, in power: Uncle does NOT want the Muselmen bleeding each other on top of the world’s fuel tanks. This is the LAST thing the US wants, and it’s a potential disaster for the global economy. We would not even be discussing Islam if a significan’t part of its population didn’t have a grip on the world’s energy supply.

Still, always, absolutely, never ever. We are at war with Islam, we have always been at war with Islam.

And we’ll fight to the last man.

IMAGE...
http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg
London, mainstream moslem street protests.
Moslems 'demonstrating' just how rational and 'peaceful' mainstream moslems really are.


THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"



polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 28^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 10:24am: In some unguarded moments, yes, moslems do reveal what is true. ;D ;D Those protestors, straight from the 'islam4peace' bus, had not the slightest inkling whatsoever that waving beheading placards down the main street of London would be seized upon by islamophobes the world over, and posted ad-infinitum on islamophobic boards. They just thought it was a closed-door private meeting between muslims. As you say, a completely unguarded moment.

Yes gandalf,

Evidence on the streets of London, in the UK, of moslem intolerance, intimidation, AND THREATS OF MURDER
[i.e. evidence of the incompatibility of moslem community values, with the pluralism of Western societal values], could fuel 'anti-moslem bigotry' and 'islamophobia'!!

Yes gandalf, it is absolutely shocking!!!






Britain: Islamists Create Climate of Fear to Curb Free Speech
by Soeren Kern
February 28, 2014 at 5:00 am
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4197/britain-islamists-free-speech


Quote:

"....evidence of Muslim intolerance and incompatibility with liberal values which could, in turn, fuel anti-Muslim bigotry."

Yadda wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 6:12pm:

Yes gandalf, Evidence on the streets of London, in the UK, of moslem intolerance, intimidation, AND THREATS OF MURDER [i.e. evidence of the incompatibility of moslem community values, with the pluralism of Western societal values], could fuel 'anti-moslem bigotry' and 'islamophobia'!! Yes gandalf, it is absolutely shocking!!!

islamophobia, innit !!

Yes ... You guessed it ... the Usual Suspects.

But HEY! Let's not forget it has NOTHING to do with Islam. These are NOT real Muslims. REAL Muslims don't behave this way. (Religion of peace).

link.

The US will soon be energy self-sufficient. And then the Islamic middle east will sink back to the irrelevance whence it emerged when oil was discovered. Islam will once again be irrelevant - until they discover some use for all that sand.

Soren wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 8:24pm:

The US will soon be energy self-sufficient. And then the Islamic middle east will sink back to the irrelevance whence it emerged when oil was discovered. Islam will once again be irrelevant - until they discover some use for all that sand.

- Dick Cheney, CEO Haliburton,1998.

Why doesn't somebody tell the mayor and others  ... "But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!"


Quote:

The children of Islamist radicals should be taken into care, Boris Johnson said last night. The Mayor of London said hundreds of children were at risk of being turned into fanatics by extremist parents. But he warned that in many cases social services and the police are simply too influenced by ‘absurd’ political correctness to take them into care. Mr Johnson said young people were increasingly being ‘radicalised at their home’ and taught the sort of ‘crazy stuff’ similar to the views espoused by the killers of Drummer Lee Rigby.

link

'Islamist'... nice PC weasel-word to say these are 'not Muslims' even though they'll kill you for saying .... they're not Muslims.

It's an infestation into the West no less harmful than was the bubonic plague.

We can only hope that someone will step forward to stop this madness.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 3:27pm:

Why doesn't somebody tell the mayor and others  ... "But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!" Quote: The children of Islamist radicals should be taken into care, Boris Johnson said last night. The Mayor of London said hundreds of children were at risk of being turned into fanatics by extremist parents. But he warned that in many cases social services and the police are simply too influenced by ‘absurd’ political correctness to take them into care. Mr Johnson said young people were increasingly being ‘radicalised at their home’ and taught the sort of ‘crazy stuff’ similar to the views espoused by the killers of Drummer Lee Rigby. link 'Islamist'... nice PC weasel-word to say these are 'not Muslims' even though they'll kill you for saying .... they're not Muslims. It's an infestation into the West no less harmful than was the bubonic plague. We can only hope that someone will step forward to stop this madness.

If your so worried why don't you tell the mayor?

Please send me the letter when you do?

Soren wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 8:24pm:

The US will soon be energy self-sufficient. And then the Islamic middle east will sink back to the irrelevance whence it emerged when oil was discovered. Islam will once again be irrelevant - until they discover some use for all that sand.

It is self sufficient.America has oil reserves to last hundreds of years but still wants to invade other countries for there gas and oil reserves.

wally1 wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 3:47pm:

If your so worried why don't you tell the mayor?

Trust me, Waleed ~ the mayor wouldn't have said a word if he didn't know he has most people on-side with this opinion.

I actually don't agree with him.

I think any Muslim parents who are identified as holding 'extremist' views should be removed from Britain with their entire extended family.

Not even a court case.

And it shouldn't matter a cracker if they were born in the UK. 

Fly them to Angola and kick them off at the airport.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 3:53pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 3:47pm: If your so worried why don't you tell the mayor? Trust me, Waleed ~ the mayor wouldn't have said a word if he didn't know he has most people on-side with this opinion. I actually don't agree with him. I think any Muslim parents who are identified as holding 'extremist' views should be removed from Britain with their entire extended family. Not even a court case. And it shouldn't matter a cracker if they were born in the UK.  Fly them to Angola and kick them off at the airport.

First you say somebody should tell the mayor,then you say he knows,make up your mind.

I'm looking forward to your letter.

wally1 wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 4:51pm:

I'm looking forward to your letter.

You know I'm French, don't you?  8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 4:53pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 4:51pm: I'm looking forward to your letter. You know I'm French, don't you?  8-)

Whats your definition of extremism?

Cause the uk muslims want troops out of Iraq and afghannistan? I don't see that as extreme.

Cause they disagree with foreign policy?

wally1 wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 5:02pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 4:53pm: wally1 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 4:51pm: I'm looking forward to your letter. You know I'm French, don't you?  8-) Whats your definition of extremism? Cause the uk muslims want troops out of Iraq and afghannistan? I don't see that as extreme. Cause they disagree with foreign policy?

Those pieces of  trash that cut that kids head off were a tad extreme.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 4:53pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 4:51pm: I'm looking forward to your letter. You know I'm French, don't you?  8-)

Miam miam.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 3:27pm:

Why doesn't somebody tell the mayor and others  ... "But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!" Quote: The children of Islamist radicals should be taken into care, Boris Johnson said last night. The Mayor of London said hundreds of children were at risk of being turned into fanatics by extremist parents. But he warned that in many cases social services and the police are simply too influenced by ‘absurd’ political correctness to take them into care. Mr Johnson said young people were increasingly being ‘radicalised at their home’ and taught the sort of ‘crazy stuff’ similar to the views espoused by the killers of Drummer Lee Rigby. link 'Islamist'... nice PC weasel-word to say these are 'not Muslims' even though they'll kill you for saying .... they're not Muslims. It's an infestation into the West no less harmful than was the bubonic plague. We can only hope that someone will step forward to stop this madness.

Perhaps Boris is correct ???

Perhaps Boris is the smartest pollie in the UK ???



IMAGE...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/Parviz.jpg


Quote:

February 18, 2008 UK jihadist taught five-year-old son: "Kuffar -- kill! Sheikh Osama bin Laden I love" ......"Who do you kill?" asked Khan. "America kill," said the boy. "Who else you kill?" said Khan. "Bush I kill," said the boy. "And who else?" demanded Khan. "Blair kill, both people kill." "Who else you kill?" asked Khan. "Saddam, Saddam," said the boy. Then the pair began chanting at each other. Khan said: "Kuffar [non-believers]" the boy said: "Kill." Khan said: "Mushrik [polytheists]" and the boy said: "Kill."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/02/uk-jihadist-taught-five-year-old-son-kuffar----kill-sheikh-osama-bin-laden-i-love.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/18/nkidnap218.xml

wally1 wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 5:02pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 4:53pm: wally1 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 4:51pm: I'm looking forward to your letter. You know I'm French, don't you?  8-) Whats your definition of extremism? Cause the uk muslims want troops out of Iraq and afghannistan? I don't see that as extreme. Cause they disagree with foreign policy?

The problem I have with these Muslims is that they demonstrate their treachery as citizens of the UK (or Australia) by their default position of supporting any Muslim country against that of their own UK or Australian forces.

It has nothing to do with what country our soldiers are in. 'Our' Muslims only care that 'their' Muslim 'brothers' are being shot at by non-Muslim 'Skippy' Anglo-Australians ~ wherever that is occurring.

And what this tells me is that in every Western country there is a sizeable rats-nest of traitors and 5th Columnists within the Muslim communities.

Hopefully, in the fullness of time this precarious and untenable situation will be addressed by politicians who have the UK and Australia's best interests at heart.

It may take a while for this sort of novel politician to appear on the hustings, but I take hope in the fact that there are an increasing number of 'rightwing' mainstream commentators who are being employed in both the print media and on radio.

Poll after poll amongst Muslims in the UK shows them to think of themselves as a separate nation within the host nation. This does not bode well for the future.

"....this precarious and untenable situation...."        pernicious ?



pernicious = = having a harmful effect, especially in a gradual or subtle way.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 7:20pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 5:02pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 4:53pm: wally1 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 4:51pm: I'm looking forward to your letter. You know I'm French, don't you?  8-) Whats your definition of extremism? Cause the uk muslims want troops out of Iraq and afghannistan? I don't see that as extreme. Cause they disagree with foreign policy? The problem I have with these Muslims is that they demonstrate their treachery as citizens of the UK (or Australia) by their default position of supporting any Muslim country against that of their own UK or Australian forces. It has nothing to do with what country our soldiers are in. 'Our' Muslims only care that 'their' Muslim 'brothers' are being shot at by non-Muslim 'Skippy' Anglo-Australians ~ wherever that is occurring. And what this tells me is that in every Western country there is a sizeable rats-nest of traitors and 5th Columnists within the Muslim communities.

Funny that - for someone who persistently confuses Australia with Mother England and spends his days posting Daily Mail articles.

Where’s the Union Jack gone, Herbie? You seem to have replaced it with the flag of Angola.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 3:53pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 3:47pm: If your so worried why don't you tell the mayor? Trust me, Waleed ~ the mayor wouldn't have said a word if he didn't know he has most people on-side with this opinion. I actually don't agree with him. I think any Muslim parents who are identified as holding 'extremist' views should be removed from Britain with their entire extended family. Not even a court case. And it shouldn't matter a cracker if they were born in the UK.  Fly them to Angola and kick them off at the airport.

Right. Deported after a report from the Thought Police.

Herbert, George Orwell would love you.

This whole kerfuffle is based on a rightwing newspaper making a totally unsubstantiated claim "based on other conflicts".

Which conflicts?

What were their numbers?

Can't tell us. It's all "national security".

Hmm >:(

wally1 wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 3:48pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 8:24pm: The US will soon be energy self-sufficient. And then the Islamic middle east will sink back to the irrelevance whence it emerged when oil was discovered. Islam will once again be irrelevant - until they discover some use for all that sand. It is self sufficient.America has oil reserves to last hundreds of years but still wants to invade other countries for there gas and oil reserves.

Yeah, countries like Germany, Italy, Afghanistan - all about oil and gas. Acting like complete a rseholes has nuffin' to do wig nuffin'.

Soren wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 9:36pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 3:48pm: Soren wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 8:24pm: The US will soon be energy self-sufficient. And then the Islamic middle east will sink back to the irrelevance whence it emerged when oil was discovered. Islam will once again be irrelevant - until they discover some use for all that sand. It is self sufficient.America has oil reserves to last hundreds of years but still wants to invade other countries for there gas and oil reserves. Yeah, countries like Germany, Italy, Afghanistan - .

All cheese exporting nations, old chap. No wonder the US wants in.

We all love a nice ripe fromage, no? So much nicer than that ghastly oil.

Miam miam.

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 8:12pm:

Right. Deported after a report from the Thought Police. Herbert, George Orwell would love you.

Ah shucks. Now you're embarrassing me. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/cool_man_zps285640ee.gif

Extremists are soon found out. It's often the case that the Muslim community itself will dob-in a nutter who lives among them. Sydney's Mamdouh Habib was described as an 'extremist' by those who attended the same mosque as him.

I haven't checked to see if the Swiss have put into law their intention to forcibly deport Muslim criminals, and ... more controversially ... their entire extended families. It's a very effective strategy for making Muslim families monitor their own behaviour against the possibility of deportation. 

Soren wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 9:36pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 3:48pm: Soren wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 8:24pm: The US will soon be energy self-sufficient. And then the Islamic middle east will sink back to the irrelevance whence it emerged when oil was discovered. Islam will once again be irrelevant - until they discover some use for all that sand. It is self sufficient.America has oil reserves to last hundreds of years but still wants to invade other countries for there gas and oil reserves. Yeah, countries like Germany, Italy, Afghanistan - all about oil and gas. Acting like complete a rseholes has nuffin' to do wig nuffin'.

Well both Iraq and Afghanistan is about gas and oil.America doesn't poo about muslims as long as they get the oil and gas projects.

America bombed every ministry in Iraq except for the oil and gas ministries.

America already have the own land, let them piss off and stay where they are.

wally1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:07am:

America bombed every ministry in Iraq except for the oil and gas ministries. America already have the own land, let them piss off and stay where they are.

I'm with you, Wally.

The Iraqis are perfectly capable of bombing each other without America's help, thank you very much.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

wally1 wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:07am: America bombed every ministry in Iraq except for the oil and gas ministries. America already have the own land, let them piss off and stay where they are. I'm with you, Wally. The Iraqis are perfectly capable of bombing each other without America's help, thank you very much.

This must be one of the most hilarious quotes of all time,

Quote of the day from US secretary of state John Kerry: 'You just don’t in the 21st century behave in 19th-century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pretext'.

He is telling Russia to behave but what about the war launched by America in iraq?

wally1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 10:22am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:53am: wally1 wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:07am: America bombed every ministry in Iraq except for the oil and gas ministries. America already have the own land, let them piss off and stay where they are. I'm with you, Wally. The Iraqis are perfectly capable of bombing each other without America's help, thank you very much. This must be one of the most hilarious quotes of all time, Quote of the day from US secretary of state John Kerry: 'You just don’t in the 21st century behave in 19th-century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pretext'. He is telling Russia to behave but what about the war launched by America in iraq?

wally1,

I must admit, i cringed, when i heard those words come out of the mouth of US secretary of state John Kerry last night on the TV news!

Rank hypocrisy.

wally1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:07am:

Soren wrote on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 9:36pm: wally1 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 3:48pm: Soren wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 8:24pm: The US will soon be energy self-sufficient. And then the Islamic middle east will sink back to the irrelevance whence it emerged when oil was discovered. Islam will once again be irrelevant - until they discover some use for all that sand. It is self sufficient.America has oil reserves to last hundreds of years but still wants to invade other countries for there gas and oil reserves. Yeah, countries like Germany, Italy, Afghanistan - all about oil and gas. Acting like complete a rseholes has nuffin' to do wig nuffin'. Well both Iraq and Afghanistan is about gas and oil.America doesn't poo about muslims as long as they get the oil and gas projects. America bombed every ministry in Iraq except for the oil and gas ministries. America already have the own land, let them piss off and stay where they are.

Actually, Afghanistan was about September 11 and the US's Cold War history of covert action there. Fair enough.

Iraq was about the oil and establishing a new US military base in the Middle East. Iraq had nothing to do with September 11 - "regime change" was just something on the neo-cons to-do list.

The problem is, regime change to what? The neo-cons never thought that one through. In so doing, they created a power vacuum in the Middle East, and allowed a majority Shi'a population to be influenced by forces from Iran.

This is the problem with the old boy carpet-bombing strategy, a strategy taken from the Nazis' blitzkriegs, and "conventional" war between nation states.

The Middle East, like Indochine in the 1960s/70s, is not a collection of strong nation states. The borders of the Middle East were mapped out by the League of Nations along colonial lines. The French and British were granted the spoils of war, absorbing the former Ottoman Empire. When they pulled out after WWII, the US stepped in to secure the oil.

With the exception of US-funded armies in Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, Pan Arabism, OPEC and a few royal families were the only local sources of power in the region in he 1960s, 70s and 80s respectively. Even with US funds and influence, the states themselves were weak, the borders porous and ever-shifting through various wars and civil wars.

In this environment, conventional military tactics can only fail. It is impossible to defeat an amalgam of guerilla insurgencies in the long-term. The Nazis would have ultimately failed against the partisans, the KMT failed against the Communists in China, the US failed against the Viet Cong in Indochine, and the Soviets failed in Afghanistan.

In this setting, all military responses will do is exacerbate a conflict. The bombing of Cambodia led to the rise of the Khmer Rouge. The invasion of Afghanistan led to the rise of the Mujahadin and the Taliban. As Mao said, borrowing from classical Chinese texts and Marxist theory, the weak shall overcome the strong. This is the dynamic of guerilla war, and it holds true to this day. In modern times, big armies have never prevailed in an insurgency.

The problem with old boys is they refuse to learn from history. The US is now left to dealing with the Taliban - a strategy they should have used 13 years ago. In Iraq, they've stopped dealing, it's all too much trouble.

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow. If you fail to learn from history, you'll end up like Macbeth. The ultimate end of the old boys' kill-em-all strategy is Hitler's bunker.

Carry on, old boys. You're the future.

wally1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:07am:

America doesn't poo about muslims as long as they get the oil and gas projects.

Why did Amerikkka and NATO bomb Christian Serbs in defence of Muslim Bosnians? Did they find oil and gas in Bosnia?

Soren wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 12:32pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:07am: America doesn't poo about muslims as long as they get the oil and gas projects. Why did Amerikkka and NATO bomb Christian Serbs in defence of Muslim Bosnians? Did they find oil and gas in Bosnia?

They were dragged kicking and screaming into that one, old boy. The "special relationship" between Blair and Clinton, innit.

Blair joined the dark side when he made friends with Bush. Bush Jnr's military experience was the Texan Air Guard. He should have listened more to his daddy. The US's security role in Serbia was a dangerous precedent for the War on Terror. It was, essentially, the false dawn of Amerikka's post-Cold War supremacy.

Yugoslavia's an interesting example, however, of a failed state. Without the Austrio-Hungarian Empire and the Soviet Union, it dissolved. This shows that empires can contain small nationalist insurgencies like the Serbs (who inadvertently started WWI), but there has to be an economic incentive for those in the empire's influence.

Many of the conflicts in the world today come down to the dissolution of the USSR and the bi-polar global system of the Cold War. With the rise of China - and now Russia in the Ukraine - we may see a restoration of this kind of "order".

Soren wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 12:32pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:07am: America doesn't poo about muslims as long as they get the oil and gas projects. Why did Amerikkka and NATO bomb Christian Serbs in defence of Muslim Bosnians? Did they find oil and gas in Bosnia?

There are major gas lines and oil pipelines in that region.

They only came to the muslims aid the last second, after the serbs had raped all there women and killed thousands.

It was the UN who came in and not America.

wally1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 1:06pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 12:32pm: wally1 wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:07am: America doesn't poo about muslims as long as they get the oil and gas projects. Why did Amerikkka and NATO bomb Christian Serbs in defence of Muslim Bosnians? Did they find oil and gas in Bosnia? There are major gas lines and oil pipelines in that region. They only came to the muslims aid the last second, after the serbs had raped all there women and killed thousands. It was the UN who came in and not America.

It was NATO, and it wasn't about oil or gas, Wally.

Serbia/Bosnia was the first post-Cold War test of Europe attempting to hold itself together. It wasn't about resources. For Europe, it was an existential problem.

The questions posed were along the lines of, how can we tolerate such atrocities on our doorstep? If Serbia/Bosnia had been in Africa, nothing would have happened.

Until Rwanda, which the US was also dragged into.

And that wasn't about resources either.

The Americans did virtually nothing for four years ~ and have ever since copped a caning for keeping its nose out of other people's business with regard to Bosnia.

The US just can't win with the anti's.

If they land troops ~ they're damned. If they chose to stay at home ~ they're damned.

The Bosnian Serbs attacked Muslim enclaves that were supposedly under UN protection ~ with impunity. The UN did nothing. Same in Rwanda. The UN did nothing.

Few people can blame the Serbs for wanting to push the Muslims out of Yugoslavia and back into Albania from whence they had come, but they lost support when a few mavericks started a genocide.

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 1:36pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 1:06pm: Soren wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 12:32pm: wally1 wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:07am: America doesn't poo about muslims as long as they get the oil and gas projects. Why did Amerikkka and NATO bomb Christian Serbs in defence of Muslim Bosnians? Did they find oil and gas in Bosnia? There are major gas lines and oil pipelines in that region. They only came to the muslims aid the last second, after the serbs had raped all there women and killed thousands. It was the UN who came in and not America. It was NATO, and it wasn't about oil or gas, Wally. Serbia/Bosnia was the first post-Cold War test of Europe attempting to hold itself together. It wasn't about resources. For Europe, it was an existential problem. The questions posed were along the lines of, how can we tolerate such atrocities on our doorstep? If Serbia/Bosnia had been in Africa, nothing would have happened. Until Rwanda, which the US was also dragged into. And that wasn't about resources either.

Yes, how can we stop large salt-water crocodiles [i.e. human predators] from behaving like large salt-water crocodiles  [i.e. human predators] ???

Yes, it is an intractable problem!

Perhaps we need to apply a zoological management solution to such a problem ?

e.g.
Perhaps seek to keep 'large salt-water crocodiles' segregated from other animals in the 'zoo' ?





THE MOSLEM CULTURAL IMPERATIVE, EXPOSED.....


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Thanks Yadda.

Deafening silence from gandalf, Wally1, and Karnal.



"But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!"

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 2:50pm:

Thanks Yadda. Deafening silence from gandalf, Wally1, and Karnal. "But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!"

But I'm on your ignore list, Herbie. Are you saying you don't want to ignore me anymore?

I'm touched. Ask me a question and I promise to reply. Any question at all.

A question about cheese would be nice.

Miam miam.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 2:50pm:

Thanks Yadda. Deafening silence from gandalf, Wally1, and Karnal.

Oh did I miss something important?

I'm afraid if you want me to respond to something Yadda says, you'll have to put it in non-Yadda form. All I see now is crayons and placards

It's those excerpts from the Koran that caught my eye.

My interest in the Koran only goes so far as wanting to know how many in the West's Muslim communities take note of the anti-social bits in the Koran, and how many don't.

I think it's high time a new Koran was published for the consumption of Muslim children growing up in Western countries. A Koran with the nasty bits left out for the good of us all.

Same with the bible if there's to be a quid pro quo

Agreed?

And I haven't received an answer yet from anyone to the question: In what way is Islam superior to Christianity as a book of instruction on how to be a decent human being.

I like the Koran's instruction not to drink alcohol. That's a good one. And not to gamble.

Come on, gentlemen! Islam and Christianity MUST come to an accommodation with one another if we are to live in peace.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

My interest in the Koran only goes so far as wanting to know how many in the West's Muslim communities take note of the anti-social bits in the Koran, and how many don't. I think it's high time a new Koran was published for the consumption of Muslim children growing up in Western countries. A Koran with the nasty bits left out for the good of us all. Same with the bible if there's to be a quid pro quo

I think a large part is the people who are teaching these texts.  Like many things that old, there is a massive level of subjectivity to be had, and unfortunately through both books you can make some pretty horrible deductions.

Honestly I think it has far more to do with leadership within the religions as opposed to the actual physical text.

Stratos wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 4:52pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 3:57pm: My interest in the Koran only goes so far as wanting to know how many in the West's Muslim communities take note of the anti-social bits in the Koran, and how many don't. I think it's high time a new Koran was published for the consumption of Muslim children growing up in Western countries. A Koran with the nasty bits left out for the good of us all. Same with the bible if there's to be a quid pro quo I think a large part is the people who are teaching these texts.  Like many things that old, there is a massive level of subjectivity to be had, and unfortunately through both books you can make some pretty horrible deductions. Honestly I think it has far more to do with leadership within the religions as opposed to the actual physical text.

The Koran and Bible need to be rendered Politically Correct.

There. I've said it.  8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 4:59pm:

Stratos wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 4:52pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 3:57pm: My interest in the Koran only goes so far as wanting to know how many in the West's Muslim communities take note of the anti-social bits in the Koran, and how many don't. I think it's high time a new Koran was published for the consumption of Muslim children growing up in Western countries. A Koran with the nasty bits left out for the good of us all. Same with the bible if there's to be a quid pro quo I think a large part is the people who are teaching these texts.  Like many things that old, there is a massive level of subjectivity to be had, and unfortunately through both books you can make some pretty horrible deductions. Honestly I think it has far more to do with leadership within the religions as opposed to the actual physical text. The Koran and Bible need to be rendered Politically Correct. There. I've said it.  8-)

The Bible hasn't been rendered politically correct since the 2nd Council of Nicea. I don't know about the Koran.

The Bible is a text for Romans in Greek written (apparently) by semitic Jews.

The Koran was written as a text for Arabs in Arabic by Arabs.

Who's the most multicultural here?

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 4:59pm:

Stratos wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 4:52pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 3:57pm: My interest in the Koran only goes so far as wanting to know how many in the West's Muslim communities take note of the anti-social bits in the Koran, and how many don't. I think it's high time a new Koran was published for the consumption of Muslim children growing up in Western countries. A Koran with the nasty bits left out for the good of us all. Same with the bible if there's to be a quid pro quo I think a large part is the people who are teaching these texts.  Like many things that old, there is a massive level of subjectivity to be had, and unfortunately through both books you can make some pretty horrible deductions. Honestly I think it has far more to do with leadership within the religions as opposed to the actual physical text. The Koran and Bible need to be rendered Politically Correct. There. I've said it.  8-)

Done:
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We are all the same Soren, so we all must have the same hardship/task/burden.

Its only fair.        ;)

And it is only what God would want for us!          ;)

Coz he loves all of us, equally.iThe fire burns.

The fire consumes, the worthless.




Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

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The Koran and Bible need to be rendered Politically Correct. There. I've said it.  8-)

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It's either the Koran, hadiths, and sura get re-written for Modern Day consumption, with the nasty bits left out ... or eventually it's going to be 'Mein Kampf' that will prevail ~ all over again.

Herbert,

The Koran will always contain, what the Koran contains.     e.g. Koran 9.29

Instead of men trying to 'dally it up', into something that it is not [so that we can feel more comfortable], men are going to have to confront the reality of what the REAL Koran contains, and confront the truth about what the REAL Koran urges its followers to do.

And that, is ?

That the moslem [whenever he has the means] must strive to conduct a never-ending religious war, by moslems, against those who are not moslems.



And any attempt by the Politically Correct crowd, to produce an 'abridged version' of the Koran [so that they can avoid reality, and truth], won't change the fact, that there will always remain, an un-abridged version of the Koran.



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Creed of the sword
Mark Durie
September 23, 2006
.....the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh, issued a statement on the official Saudi news service, defending Muslims' divine right to resort to violence: "The spread of Islam has gone through several phases, secret and then public, in Mecca and Medina. God then authorised the faithful to defend themselves and to fight against those fighting them, which amounts to a right legitimised by God. This ... is quite reasonable, and God will not hate it."
Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam.
.......At the beginning, in Mohammed's Meccan period, when he was weaker and his followers few, passages of the Koran encouraged peaceful relations and avoidance of conflict: "Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." (16:125)
Later, after persecution and emigration to Medina in the first year of the Islamic calendar, authority was given to engage in warfare for defensive purposes only: "Fight in the path of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for God does not love transgressors." (2:190)
As the Muslim community grew stronger and conflict with its neighbours did not abate, further revelations expanded the licence for waging war, until in Sura 9, regarded as one of the last chapters to be revealed, it is concluded that war against non-Muslims could be waged more or less at any time and in any place to extend the dominance of Islam.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20460114-601,00.html






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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian. Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'" Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us". These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world. ...DDA

Google it.

I'm thinking of the children, Yadda.

All over the Western world children are being born into the Muslim religion where anything goes, and the more 'extremist' one is ~ the more is one being faithful to the Islam of Mohammed's 7th century.

The 9/11 and London bombing jihadists were not aberrations on the theme of being a Muslim ~ they were mainstream. It's the rest of them who have shown themselves to be 'of faint heart'.



 

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 11:14am:

I'm thinking of the children, Yadda. All over the Western world children are being born into the Muslim religion where anything goes, and the more 'extremist' one is ~ the more is one being faithful to the Islam of Mohammed's 7th century. The 9/11 and London bombing jihadists were not aberrations on the theme of being a Muslim ~ they were mainstream. It's the rest of them who have shown themselves to be 'of faint heart'.

H,

And those, are the reasons why people in Western nations [we who host moslem communities] need to confront those moslem communities,
......AND WE NEED TO STOP APPEASING MOSLEMS, AND TO STOP PANDERING TO MOSLEM 'SENSIBILITIES'.

Nothing will change, until we, the people in Western nations, confront the abhorrence of what ISLAM is, and the abhorrence of what ISLAM promotes in human society.

'There, i said it!'







Please watch this YT...
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims                        goto 4m 30s
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Please watch this YT...
ISLAM - THREE THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW!!!
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Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 12:32pm: wally1 wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:07am: America doesn't poo about muslims as long as they get the oil and gas projects. Why did Amerikkka and NATO bomb Christian Serbs in defence of Muslim Bosnians? Did they find oil and gas in Bosnia? They were dragged kicking and screaming into that one, old boy. The "special relationship" between Blair and Clinton, innit. Blair joined the dark side when he made friends with Bush. Bush Jnr's military experience was the Texan Air Guard. He should have listened more to his daddy. The US's security role in Serbia was a dangerous precedent for the War on Terror. It was, essentially, the false dawn of Amerikka's post-Cold War supremacy. Yugoslavia's an interesting example, however, of a failed state. Without the Austrio-Hungarian Empire and the Soviet Union, it dissolved. This shows that empires can contain small nationalist insurgencies like the Serbs (who inadvertently started WWI), but there has to be an economic incentive for those in the empire's influence. Many of the conflicts in the world today come down to the dissolution of the USSR and the bi-polar global system of the Cold War. With the rise of China - and now Russia in the Ukraine - we may see a restoration of this kind of "order".

Sooo... - no oil and gas then?

"But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!"


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To achieve the aim some schools apply for Academy status, effectively taking them out of the control of the local education authority, and allowing them to be run on religious lines. The alleged plot is said to involve recruiting Salafi parents and staff - hard-line followers of Islam - to help spread false allegations about school leaders, including claiming sex education is being promoted to Muslim schoolchildren or Christian prayers. One passage in the documents states: ‘We have caused a great amount of organised disruption in Birmingham and as a result we now have our own Academies and are on our way to getting rid of more headteachers and taking over their schools.

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And they wonder why rightwing political organisations are slowly gaining favour with people who once would not have dreamed of abandoning their liberal-luvvie credentials.

"But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!"

The introduced phenomenon of grooming children for sex.

link

"But it's NOTHING to do with Islam ~ you fools!"

More on the UK plot by Muslims ... er ...  interested parties, to radicalise public schools for the purpose of developing a serious 5th column of moles, sleepers, and Jihadists-for-Allah in the next and succeeding generations.

And still the people in charge of Britain's safety are not deporting these people when they are discovered to be rats in the nation's silos.

link

How does one get rid of this infestation of vipers?

Don't jail them ~ just deport them.



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Saltley is one of several schools allegedly targeted for takeover by Islamic fanatics. A leaked letter, seemingly from one plotter to another, has revealed an extraordinary operation in Birmingham to oust head teachers who did not comply with ‘Islamic principles’. Yesterday, it was also claimed that Saltley’s head, Bulwant Bains, was forced to quit by bullying governors when he opposed the introduction of halal-only school dinners. A teaching assistant, who worked at Saltley School for ten years, also told yesterday that terrorism convict Iqbal was just one of several extremists at the school.

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