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Title: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:33am
Where has my thread gone? Its disappeared!
SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:42am
Your thread was idiotic.
You're a grown man and that was your thread? Grow up. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Kat on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:48am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:42am:
Using that as a criterium, 50% of the threads started on any given day should probably be deleted. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by mantra on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:53am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:42am:
If you personally think a member's thread is idiotic - isn't it possible to move it to a more appropriate sub-forum - rather than deleting it? |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:53am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:42am:
Seriously? The michelle obama thread isnt idiotic? So you just deleted my thread? SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:53am
Hard to disagree Kat but Spot's thread was particularly idiotic and utterly pointless.
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Title: Re: Censorship Post by Kat on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:59am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:53am:
I didn't see it... |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:05am Kat wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:59am:
I said margaret abbott was a man SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:18am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:05am:
Quite grown up behaviour don't you think? Razor sharp wit. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:19am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:18am:
And what you did was adult? SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:20am
Like I said spot, grow up and act your age.
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Title: Re: Censorship Post by 0ktema on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:21am Kat wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:59am:
It's still held in Google cache for the time being ... (h)ttp://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9NqYFlO4zFQJ:(w)ww.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl%3Fnum%3D1394741865+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au&client=ubuntu P.S. Only 13 more posts to go and I will be able to post a live link ... ;) |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by cods on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:24am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:20am:
humm what age do you think that might be ????.. judging by the small things that please an even smaller mind.. ::) ::) this is the first sob thread for while.. we have some small mercies on the boards after all. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:28am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:20am:
That isnt up to you is it. Why dont you grow up and act your age? Obviously if you were being impartial the michelle obama thread would have been deleted as well. Pretending not to "get" my point (and in the appropriate area as well) isnt working for you with that michelle obama thread still there. SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:28am cods wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:24am:
Grab any chance . . . . . . wonders never cease though @ normal size font SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:33am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:42am:
You called boat people human garbage and got promoted by this very forum for it ;D |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:36am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:28am:
You tell the 'em! ;) |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by cods on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:43am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:28am:
I dont think so.. isnt NORMAL.. what you use on every post.. ::) ::).. you didnt say troll... tsk tsk,. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by cods on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:45am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:28am:
ooops... there goes another tit for tat post. ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by mantra on Mar 14th, 2014 at 8:51am
Rather than upset some members because one of the moderators doesn't like a thread title - couldn't you move the thread into one of the member run boards?
A few of them could do with some new threads. What about the Tavern, Extremism or Relationships? This is a suggestion only and I'm not telling Andrei what to do. If he thinks the topic is immature - he can delete it, but it would keep members happier if it was moved. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 14th, 2014 at 9:13am
I dont remember any other moderators deleting threads because they disagree with them or think they are "idiotic". I was wrong about andrei. He is biased and censors anything he doesnt agree with. This is evidenced by the fact the michelle obama thread is still there.
SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by mantra on Mar 14th, 2014 at 9:42am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 9:13am:
Threads have never been deleted unless they're obscene, but Andrei is just trying to raise the standards here. I'm sure he means well. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by mantra on Mar 14th, 2014 at 9:56am mantra wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 9:42am:
I could be wrong. Maybe threads considered "idiotic" might have been deleted, but I haven't noticed any complaints about it before. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 14th, 2014 at 10:13am
It was bias. I thought he was actually making an effort to not be biased in his modding but i was wrong.
SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by mantra on Mar 14th, 2014 at 10:25am
It couldn't have been worse than the Fat Magda Szubanski...thread. That's nasty. Was the thread in Politicians Suck? If it was - maybe it would be easier in the future to start a thread in Chat or General if you think it might be censored.
Most moderators are accused of bias. They put a lot of their own time into the job and occasionally have to make unpopular snap decisions. It would be hard to please everyone. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 14th, 2014 at 10:39am mantra wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 10:25am:
Nope i put it in chat (where the one about michelle obama is). SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by mantra on Mar 14th, 2014 at 11:32am
Michelle Obama is from the left and Marg Abbott is from the right. Maybe that's the reason the thread was considered idiotic and deleted?
At the risk of upsetting the righties - I've always thought 2 of Abbott's daughters look very masculine - even horse faced. They might have inherited that off their father though. :) |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by muso on Mar 14th, 2014 at 1:18pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 9:13am:
He is biased against idiocy. That is quite an appropriate bias. Faking polls that accept anonymous posting is another example of idiocy. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 14th, 2014 at 1:21pm muso wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 1:18pm:
How do you fake a poll? SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Honky on Mar 14th, 2014 at 1:52pm
Heaps of threads should be deleted - I don't see what good it is moving them to a sub forum where they just lie forgotten and untouched anyway.
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Title: Re: Censorship Post by mantra on Mar 14th, 2014 at 1:59pm muso wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 1:18pm:
I think the point Spot was trying to make is that if there are 2 similar topics, the only difference being one named a LW President's wife and the other a RW Primeminister's wife - how do you decide that one is idiotic and the other isn't? Both were intended to be derogatory and they were both in Chat. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Aussie on Mar 14th, 2014 at 4:01pm mantra wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 1:59pm:
Oh, I see. The one attacking the right is deleted and that attacking the left is intact. Goodo. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by cods on Mar 14th, 2014 at 4:29pm mantra wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 11:32am:
of course you do!!!! |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by muso on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:23pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 1:21pm:
You would know. You continue to vote as a guest while logged out. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by John Smith on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:26pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:18am:
I notice the thread on Michelle Obama being a man is still there ... letting your politics affect your judgement I thinks |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by John Smith on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:29pm ... wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 1:52pm:
maybe so ...even more important is that the mods show consistency ... the only thing they are consistant on is their ability to screw it up! |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Honky on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:33pm
Pfft. Stop acting like it's some big conspiracy.
A rubbish thread got deleted, and another rubbish thread (that was based on an actual article - there's your distinction) will soon be buried and forgotten. Either way, the world is still turning. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:52pm Aussie wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 4:01pm:
Barack Obama is as left wing as I am. Spot needs to grow up. A grown man acting like he does is embarrassing. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by John Smith on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:55pm ... wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:33pm:
does that mean they'll delete ALL rubbish threads? You seem to be a fan of it, what say you? |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:01pm
Come on moderators - the thread about Obama's wife being a man is just as stupid
& should be deleted too. In all fairness. :) |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:01pm mantra wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 1:59pm:
LW President? Supports - 1. Active intervention militarily by drones (more attacks in Afghanistan and Pakistan have been ordered by him than Bush) 2. Right to bear arms 3. Death penalty for several offenses 4. Actively is pursuing Edward Snowden 5. Believes staunchly in the free market and capitalist principles I could go on but seriously mantra, you tell me if Obama is LW?! I deleted spots thread for no other reason that it was idiotic and something a 12 year old would put up. Let alone a grown man in his 50s. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Honky on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:03pm John Smith wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:55pm:
As I said - a lot of threads would be better deleted than shifted to a sub-forum. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by John Smith on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:03pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:01pm:
nice attempt at deflection whilst avoiding the real issue ... by US standards, Obama is considered by many to be left wing. No one said he was as left wing as Hawke |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by John Smith on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:04pm ... wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:03pm:
based on what? someone else's idea of whats 'stupid'? |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Honky on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:06pm John Smith wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:04pm:
Sure. Presumably the mods can be trusted to have some idea of quality control. Are you saying the threads in question were not stupid? |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:09pm
Obama is as right wing as Tony Abbott.
You look at their policy views and announcements. Obama is called Left wing by idiots like Limbaugh and O'Reilly or nutcases on the extremes of the Republican Party. No sane person would class him as LW. I also think he's done a decent job I'm certainly not anti Obama. Spots thread - and it really was pathetic - had nothing to do with bias. I like Obama and I don't have political bias in AUS as I neither live nor vote there. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:14pm Bobby. wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:01pm:
Bump to Andrei. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by John Smith on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:14pm ... wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:06pm:
Don't know as I didn't see it. I do think the thread on Michelle Obama being a man is stupid, and yet its still there ... same with the thread suggesting Morrison is a real man ... the thread on Warne, the thread on Chemtrails but I also understand that while I feel they are stupid, others might not ... that is why no one should delete a thread just because he feels it to be 'stupid'. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Honky on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:18pm
There's ~30,000 threads on this site. It's not as if they're all some priceless repository of knowledge that needs to be preserved.
Shall we call UNESCO and nominate this site for a heritage listing? |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Aussie on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:28pm
Sorry Andrei:
Quote:
That is not your job. You do not get to decide what is 'idiotic,' and then delete using the Mod buttons. That is censorship in the most pure form. The Mod Job is to see that the Rules are observed, not delete what they personally reckon is 'idiotic.' :-[ |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by John Smith on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:05pm ... wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:18pm:
Then don't start a public forum ... it comes with the territory. Either you let the members of the forum speak their mind, or you don't ... you do not get to decide what is stupid. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Honky on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:08pm John Smith wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:05pm:
Says who? Any rules of the forum are at the sole discretion of the owner. Stop acting like you're entitled to something merely for existing. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by John Smith on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:14pm ... wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:08pm:
Show me the rule? |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:16pm
So who changed my sig? Was it you muso?
SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:18pm
Spot are you trying to wind up every moderator?
Interesting strategy to take. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:26pm
No. Someone changed my sig. Is that allowed? Are you mods allowed to go into ppls personal settings and change their sigs?
SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Aussie on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:39pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Andrei.....the signature has been changed. Fact. :-[ |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by muso on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:41pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
Yes |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by mantra on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:41pm
x
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Title: Re: Censorship Post by Aussie on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:44pm muso wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:41pm:
I thought you relinquished access to the buttons? :-[ |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Herbert on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:45pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:26pm:
I got a message today in my email saying someone was trying to change my password to Ozpolitic. I got this message twice ... and then had trouble login in. There's been some fiddling. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by muso on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:47pm Aussie wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:44pm:
I thought you relinquished access to the buttons? :-[/quote] Maybe I should ban myself for messing with Spot. I resign. ;) |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Herbert on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:47pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:26pm:
I got a message today in my email saying someone was trying to change my password to Ozpolitic. I got this message twice ... and then had trouble login in. There's been some fiddling. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by muso on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:52pm
Ok, I'll come clean. Spot is actually my sock. It was my attempt to create a persona who was really so thick that it was surreal.
Did I do well? |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by John Smith on Mar 14th, 2014 at 8:45pm Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:47pm:
I got that 3 times yesterday although I didn't have any problem login in |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 14th, 2014 at 8:57pm Aussie wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:39pm:
Andrei.....the signature has been changed. Fact. :-[/quote] I care lots. Honest. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 14th, 2014 at 8:58pm muso wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:52pm:
Exceptional |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Aussie on Mar 14th, 2014 at 9:12pm
Andrei.....I'm not certain that arrogance will suffice. I'm one of your supporters, but this extra glitch is testing not only my support.
:-[ |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by John Smith on Mar 14th, 2014 at 9:15pm
[quote author=Aussie link=1394742828/67#67 date=1394795557]Andrei.....I'm not certain that arrogance will suffice. I'm one of your supporters, but this extra glitch is testing not only my support.
:-[/quote] I agree ..I've always defended Andrei's neutrality in his decisions as Mod, but not this time. Poor form Andrei |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 14th, 2014 at 9:49pm
Ok in the interests of information, I'll explain a tad more.
The thread about Barack Obama's wife was based upon a published web article - with the link given. Now people can find it absurd and the usual conspiracy nonsense - such as whether he was born in the United States or Kenya etc - again another nonsense subject but is prevalent in material on the net. Spot, put up a picture of Tony Abbott's wife and wrote - this is a man. No link, no story - basically the behaviour of a 12 year old and not something you'd expect from a grown man. Now the first is also stupid but is based on a discussion of a story on the internet. The other is basically spamming. That's the basis of the removal of one and not the other. Bias? Absolutely not. You put up a picture of Bill Shorten's wife and say its a man or Christine Milne's husband and say its a woman and add nothing more and I'll take those down too. Spamming is not acceptable by anyone. Hence why the trash bin is packed with Deathridesahorse threads. As regards Spot's signature, I neither know anything about that nor care. Certainly no bias from me here. I'll be honest I am so far removed from Australian politics now, I genuinely don't have a domestic bias. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by muso on Mar 14th, 2014 at 9:59pm
I honestly think we should move on from this. Removing spam is not censorship.
Replying to a troll is one thing, but when it comes to supporting a troll, that brings it to a new dimension. I don't think Andrei is being biased. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 15th, 2014 at 5:31am
Of course muso supports the censorship because the target is me. Thats bias right there.
Andrei your story has changed. You said your reason for removing it. Obviously you didnt like the joke. You didnt allow discussion. You know it wasnt spam. It might have been poor taste but so is the michelle obama thread and that isnt the first michelle obama thread either. Seriously mods fiddling with ppls personal settings is even worse than censorship. Its wrong. Its just wrong. Freediver should do something about muso because he is dishonest and shouldnt have any access to the buttons. Andrei just has no ethics. SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 15th, 2014 at 5:37am muso wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:23pm:
As did everyone else. Thats how it was set up. Nothing "fake" about it. SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 15th, 2014 at 5:41am ... wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 5:33pm:
So you think censorship and someone going crazy with power is okay? SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 15th, 2014 at 5:44am muso wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 9:59pm:
And yet there you go supporting one in the very same post. SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 15th, 2014 at 6:44am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 15th, 2014 at 5:37am:
or voting for yourself when setting up a poll of who is john smith? |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 15th, 2014 at 6:46am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 15th, 2014 at 5:31am:
It wasn't a joke. Posting a photo and saying this is a man. That's not a joke. It's the post of a child. Grow up. You're supposed to be a grown man. It was idiotic. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 15th, 2014 at 6:58am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15th, 2014 at 6:44am:
Showing off that you can see the votes? We allknow who you voted for in that poll too. SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 15th, 2014 at 7:01am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15th, 2014 at 6:46am:
Yes it was a joke. It was a joke that made a point. Obviously went over your head though. In fact you got so suckered in that you threw ethics out the window and deleted my post. the point - since you missed it - was that the michelle obama thread is silly. How many threads have been up about gillard that were way worse than that? How many threads about her boyfriend the "hairdresser"? How many about her being a lesbian? Yet you delete my post about margaret abbot. You shouldn't be a moderator and neither should muso. Power goes to your fascist heads. SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 15th, 2014 at 7:07am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 15th, 2014 at 6:58am:
No. Pointing out you have behaved like an absolute fool on many occasions. Voting for yourself, then voting again as a guest. Idiotic |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 15th, 2014 at 7:09am
Muso has shown himself to be an excellent moderator over years on here.
You on the other hand have been labelled a troll by many and behaved like a fool on many other occasions. |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 15th, 2014 at 7:10am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15th, 2014 at 7:07am:
Oh really. what has any of this got to do with what YOU did in deleting my thread? SOB |
Title: Re: Censorship Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 15th, 2014 at 7:10am muso wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 9:59pm:
I agree. It will just degenerate into a 200 page thread of Spot making wild accusations and then say he is being picked on (see the F1-11 thread). That serves no purpose. I agree with Muso. We're done here. |
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