Did y'all see the news friends? That aint right! Them passengers these days aint even showing no sympathy to them cyclists and such when they open doors on em and bowl em over! That AINT RIGHT! And what's the crime here friends?

The fact the door was opened?
The fact the details weren't exchanged?
The fact the cab driver wouldn't give details?

No friends, it's much much worse - take a look.

It aint right friends!

those dumb ass cyclist should be banned off the road all together...

they make me sick... how on earth would that guy even know some idiot was riding up the inside of him...

when the rest of the traffic stops those idiots are still slipping up the inside, outside, who knows where they are...

I'd have told that moron to go F*&% herself.. >:(

Oh what compassion. So now nobody should ride bikes? Didnt your mother teach you to look before you open a car door? I saw a car door taken off by another car in front of a hospital in townsville once. Nobody was hurt but they could have been.

SOB

SOB

here's the incident... (unlike stupid billy's utube)

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-urged-to-charge-passenger-after-cyclist-cardoored-in-cbd-20140318-34zr2.html

and no... if I was that guy I wouldn't have been expecting some utter knucklehead to be belting up the inside of the car when traffic was stopped...

True Blue... wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 5:48am:

those dumb ass cyclist should be banned off the road all together... they make me sick... how on earth would that guy even know some idiot was riding up the inside of him... when the rest of the traffic stops those idiots are still slipping up the inside, outside, who knows where they are... I'd have told that nice person to go F*&% herself.. >:(

Um, Blue....

She was in a MARKED CYCLE LANE.

She broke NO LAW.

I know this woman through us both being members of another forum, and
she is not an idiot or a law-breaker.

If you want to cast blame (apart from the obvious, the passenger), why not
take a swipe at the idiocy of inadequate bike-lanes, and at those drivers who
(like you, apparently) seem to think that they have more right to be on the
road than cyclists.?

Because they don't.

Well it seems by your article that there is a space for cyclists that they paid no heed to. I was wiped out in cairns one time by some arse in a ute using the bicycle lane to pass a car. Nobody stopped. My bike was wrecked.

SOB

Kat wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 6:12am:

True Blue... wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:48am: those dumb ass cyclist should be banned off the road all together... they make me sick... how on earth would that guy even know some idiot was riding up the inside of him... when the rest of the traffic stops those idiots are still slipping up the inside, outside, who knows where they are... I'd have told that nice person to go F*&% herself.. >:( Um, Blue.... She was in a MARKED CYCLE LANE. She broke NO LAW. I know this woman through us both being members of another forum, and she is not an idiot or a law-breaker. If you want to cast blame (apart from the obvious, the passenger), why not take a swipe at the idiocy of inadequate bike-lanes, and at those drivers who (like you, apparently) seem to think that they have more right to be on the road than cyclists.? Because they don't.

Drivers pay for those roads not bike riders, if bike riders want safe raods for themselves there is an obvious solution.


If you go on the road with idiot drivers, you need to expect a poor outcome.

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 6:16am:

Kat wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 6:12am: True Blue... wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:48am: those dumb ass cyclist should be banned off the road all together... they make me sick... how on earth would that guy even know some idiot was riding up the inside of him... when the rest of the traffic stops those idiots are still slipping up the inside, outside, who knows where they are... I'd have told that nice person to go F*&% herself.. >:( Um, Blue.... She was in a MARKED CYCLE LANE. She broke NO LAW. I know this woman through us both being members of another forum, and she is not an idiot or a law-breaker. If you want to cast blame (apart from the obvious, the passenger), why not take a swipe at the idiocy of inadequate bike-lanes, and at those drivers who (like you, apparently) seem to think that they have more right to be on the road than cyclists.? Because they don't. Drivers pay for those roads not bike riders, if bike riders want safe raods for themselves there is an obvious solution. If you go on the road with idiot drivers, you need to expect a poor outcome.

That's just plain rubbish.

Most adult riders also drive, so the 'pay their way' argument has no legs.

The woman did nothing wrong or illegal.

FACT!


You are correct about some drivers being idiots, though. Recently, I had one
come through a roundabout and nearly take me out on the Apollo III, despite
the fact that I had right-of-way and was already halfway through the round-
about when he entered it. There was NO way he didn't see me. Missed him
by inches (no thanks to him) and copped the usual mouthful of abuse. The
realisation that he'd just nearly killed someone never even entered his head.

I might add that, a week previously, and one intersection away, I was nearly
'got' by some asshole who thought the 'Give Way' sign didn't apply to him.

Kat wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 6:12am:

True Blue... wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:48am: those dumb ass cyclist should be banned off the road all together... they make me sick... how on earth would that guy even know some idiot was riding up the inside of him... when the rest of the traffic stops those idiots are still slipping up the inside, outside, who knows where they are... I'd have told that nice person to go F*&% herself.. >:( Um, Blue.... She was in a MARKED CYCLE LANE. She broke NO LAW. I know this woman through us both being members of another forum, and she is not an idiot or a law-breaker. If you want to cast blame (apart from the obvious, the passenger), why not take a swipe at the idiocy of inadequate bike-lanes, and at those drivers who (like you, apparently) seem to think that they have more right to be on the road than cyclists.? Because they don't.

[highlight]There is no dedicated bike lane on the part of Collins Street where the crash happened.
‘‘Cyclists are free to use Collins Street if they wish however this is not a dedicated bike lane,’’ the City of Melbourne said in a statement.


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I dunno man....I've got nothing against cyclists and I don't understand people who do, but the way she reacted was very odd...reminiscent of a today tonight reporter. 

That said, the error was clearly on the part of the suited asshole in the taxi.  I just can't help but feel if she wasn't so intent on a "gotcha!" expose from the start, she might have got some satisfaction.

When I drive a car I am expected to give bikes a one metre space, should bikes have to as well?
They always pass me on the left when I am not indicating to turn right, thats an infringement.

Anyway the roads are the natural environment of the car if bikes want to dip their toe onto the roads they have to be aware that cars are just doing what cars do naturally.

Its just the same as swimmers and sharks, if you venture into their territory.....

woody2014 wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 7:46am:

Kat wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 6:12am: True Blue... wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:48am: those dumb ass cyclist should be banned off the road all together... they make me sick... how on earth would that guy even know some idiot was riding up the inside of him... when the rest of the traffic stops those idiots are still slipping up the inside, outside, who knows where they are... I'd have told that nice person to go F*&% herself.. >:( Um, Blue.... She was in a MARKED CYCLE LANE. She broke NO LAW. I know this woman through us both being members of another forum, and she is not an idiot or a law-breaker. If you want to cast blame (apart from the obvious, the passenger), why not take a swipe at the idiocy of inadequate bike-lanes, and at those drivers who (like you, apparently) seem to think that they have more right to be on the road than cyclists.? Because they don't. [highlight]There is no dedicated bike lane on the part of Collins Street where the crash happened. ‘‘Cyclists are free to use Collins Street if they wish however this is not a dedicated bike lane,’’ the City of Melbourne said in a statement. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Really?

In the interview I saw, it was expressly stated that it was a bike lane.

miketrees wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 7:55am:

When I drive a car I am expected to give bikes a one metre space, should bikes have to as well? They always pass me on the left when I am not indicating to turn right, thats an infringement. Anyway the roads are the natural environment of the car if bikes want to dip their toe onto the roads they have to be aware that cars are just doing what cars do naturally. Its just the same as swimmers and sharks, if you venture into their territory.....

WRONG!!!

Bicycles have been around far longer than cars.

And so, for that matter, have motorcycles.

It is the cars who are the johnny-come-latelys', not the bicycles.

And, FYI, it is LEGAL for a bicycle to pass on the left. It is NOT 'an infringement'.

Kat wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 8:02am:

woody2014 wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 7:46am: Kat wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 6:12am: True Blue... wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:48am: those dumb ass cyclist should be banned off the road all together... they make me sick... how on earth would that guy even know some idiot was riding up the inside of him... when the rest of the traffic stops those idiots are still slipping up the inside, outside, who knows where they are... I'd have told that nice person to go F*&% herself.. >:( Um, Blue.... She was in a MARKED CYCLE LANE. She broke NO LAW. I know this woman through us both being members of another forum, and she is not an idiot or a law-breaker. If you want to cast blame (apart from the obvious, the passenger), why not take a swipe at the idiocy of inadequate bike-lanes, and at those drivers who (like you, apparently) seem to think that they have more right to be on the road than cyclists.? Because they don't. [highlight]There is no dedicated bike lane on the part of Collins Street where the crash happened. ‘‘Cyclists are free to use Collins Street if they wish however this is not a dedicated bike lane,’’ the City of Melbourne said in a statement. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Really? In the interview I saw, it was expressly stated that it was a bike lane.

Yes REALLY!   Well go check your interview again..Then ring the council and tell them their wrong  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

True Blue... wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 5:57am:

SOB here's the incident... (unlike stupid billy's utube) http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-urged-to-charge-passenger-after-cyclist-cardoored-in-cbd-20140318-34zr2.html and no... if I was that guy I wouldn't have been expecting some utter knucklehead to be belting up the inside of the car when traffic was stopped...

I thought the same thing when I first saw it, but then I realised that she was in a marked cycle lane. He should have checked or at the very least the taxi driver should have checked the mirrors and warned the passenger to not open the doors.

John Smith wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 8:16am:

True Blue... wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:57am: SOB here's the incident... (unlike stupid billy's utube) http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-urged-to-charge-passenger-after-cyclist-cardoored-in-cbd-20140318-34zr2.html and no... if I was that guy I wouldn't have been expecting some utter knucklehead to be belting up the inside of the car when traffic was stopped... I thought the same thing when I first saw it, but then I realised that she was in a marked cycle lane. He should have checked or at the very least the taxi driver should have checked the mirrors and warned the passenger to not open the doors.

[highlight]There is no dedicated bike lane on the part of Collins Street where the crash happened.
‘‘Cyclists are free to use Collins Street if they wish however this is not a dedicated bike lane,’’ the City of Melbourne said in a statement.
;) ;)

woody2014 wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 8:08am:

Kat wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:02am: woody2014 wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 7:46am: Kat wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 6:12am: True Blue... wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:48am: those dumb ass cyclist should be banned off the road all together... they make me sick... how on earth would that guy even know some idiot was riding up the inside of him... when the rest of the traffic stops those idiots are still slipping up the inside, outside, who knows where they are... I'd have told that nice person to go F*&% herself.. >:( Um, Blue.... She was in a MARKED CYCLE LANE. She broke NO LAW. I know this woman through us both being members of another forum, and she is not an idiot or a law-breaker. If you want to cast blame (apart from the obvious, the passenger), why not take a swipe at the idiocy of inadequate bike-lanes, and at those drivers who (like you, apparently) seem to think that they have more right to be on the road than cyclists.? Because they don't. [highlight]There is no dedicated bike lane on the part of Collins Street where the crash happened. ‘‘Cyclists are free to use Collins Street if they wish however this is not a dedicated bike lane,’’ the City of Melbourne said in a statement. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Really? In the interview I saw, it was expressly stated that it was a bike lane. Yes REALLY!   Well go check your interview again..Then ring the council and tell them their wrong  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

OK, a follow-up reveals the guy I watched correcting that.

Fair enough.

But the passenger still broke the law, and, as filtering up the left is LEGAL for a
bicycle (bike lane or no), the woman did not.

John Smith wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 8:16am:

True Blue... wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:57am: SOB here's the incident... (unlike stupid billy's utube) http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-urged-to-charge-passenger-after-cyclist-cardoored-in-cbd-20140318-34zr2.html and no... if I was that guy I wouldn't have been expecting some utter knucklehead to be belting up the inside of the car when traffic was stopped... I thought the same thing when I first saw it, but then I realised that she was in a marked cycle lane. He should have checked or at the very least the taxi driver should have checked the mirrors and warned the passenger to not open the doors.

[highlight]There is no dedicated bike lane on the part of Collins Street where the crash happened.
‘‘Cyclists are free to use Collins Street if they wish however this is not a dedicated bike lane,’’ the City of Melbourne said in a statement.
;) ;)

1. maybe if the fat suited up lards actually got off their generous plump asses they'd be able to bend their obese torsos enough to check before they exit their cabs...no doubt after a long lunch

2. crap design for a bike lane, get on the road for godsake that bike lane looks like a dooring just waiting to happen...

3. to all the anti cyclist car drivers, lets be clear, you own a car, you don't own the road

4. we all pay tax, so we all contribute to the roads

5. did you see how effing fat those slobs were....sweet mother of jesus they could do with a good dose of hardship.

Rider wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 8:27am:

1. maybe if the fat suited up lards actually got off their generous plump asses they'd be able to bend their obese torsos enough to check before they exit their cabs...no doubt after a long lunch 2. crap design for a bike lane, get on the road for godsake that bike lane looks like a dooring just waiting to happen... 3. to all the anti cyclist car drivers, lets be clear, you own a car, you don't own the road 4. we all pay tax, so we all contribute to the roads 5. did you see how effing fat those slobs were....sweet mother of jesus they could do with a good dose of hardship.

[highlight]There is no dedicated bike lane on the part of Collins Street where the crash happened.
‘‘Cyclists are free to use Collins Street if they wish however this is not a dedicated bike lane,’’ the City of Melbourne said in a statement.
;D ;D ;D ;D

woody2014 wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

Rider wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:27am: 1. maybe if the fat suited up lards actually got off their generous plump asses they'd be able to bend their obese torsos enough to check before they exit their cabs...no doubt after a long lunch 2. crap design for a bike lane, get on the road for godsake that bike lane looks like a dooring just waiting to happen... 3. to all the anti cyclist car drivers, lets be clear, you own a car, you don't own the road 4. we all pay tax, so we all contribute to the roads 5. did you see how effing fat those slobs were....sweet mother of jesus they could do with a good dose of hardship. [highlight]There is no dedicated bike lane on the part of Collins Street where the crash happened. ‘‘Cyclists are free to use Collins Street if they wish however this is not a dedicated bike lane,’’ the City of Melbourne said in a statement. ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'm ok with that. Oh, and skirting up the inside of a taxi in the cbd sort of screams accident waiting to happen to me, granted it is a legal action, not much point being in the right and ending up staring at the ceiling of the Emergency dept.

Rider wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 8:27am:

1. maybe if the fat suited up lards actually got off their generous plump asses they'd be able to bend their obese torsos enough to check before they exit their cabs...no doubt after a long lunch 2. crap design for a bike lane, get on the road for godsake that bike lane looks like a dooring just waiting to happen... 3. to all the anti cyclist car drivers, lets be clear, you own a car, you don't own the road 4. we all pay tax, so we all contribute to the roads 5. did you see how effing fat those slobs were....sweet mother of jesus they could do with a good dose of hardship.

good thread for a bloke named "rider" to comment .
waiting for "sprint cyclist"

True Blue... wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 5:48am:

those dumb ass cyclist should be banned off the road all together... they make me sick... how on earth would that guy even know some idiot was riding up the inside of him... when the rest of the traffic stops those idiots are still slipping up the inside, outside, who knows where they are... I'd have told that nice person to go F*&% herself.. >:(

My sentiments exactly.

These Leftwing trendies shouldn't be riding bicycles in urban areas any more than should people be riding skateboards in between the cars at stop-lights, and in city traffic.

As much as I can, I ride my electric bike on the pavements to keep well away from annoying the car drivers.  8-)

(Electric-bike riders are Rightwing dudes).

In the case of bike Vs car

Most often the rider is going to be dead right

Gawd i hate bike riders.

True Blue... wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 5:48am:

those dumb ass cyclist should be banned off the road all together... they make me sick... how on earth would that guy even know some idiot was riding up the inside of him... when the rest of the traffic stops those idiots are still slipping up the inside, outside, who knows where they are... I'd have told that nice person to go F*&% herself.. >:(

That person should have known, by  say for instance looking.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 9:24am:

(Electric-bike riders are Rightwing dudes).

Explains a lot. Electric bike riders are lazy

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

Gawd i hate bike riders.

Why is it that our resident red-necks hate cyclists so much ?

Is liking or hating bicycling split on political lines like climate change science ?

Or do rightards have so much hate inside them, they have plenty to share around ?

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 10:50am:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:05am: Gawd i hate bike riders. Why is it that our resident red-necks hate cyclists so much ? Is liking or hating bicycling split on political lines like climate change science ? Or do rightards have so much hate inside them, they have plenty to share around ?

I see you got that all wrong .  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 10:50am:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:05am: Gawd i hate bike riders. Why is it that our resident red-necks hate cyclists so much ? Is liking or hating bicycling split on political lines like climate change science ? Or do rightards have so much hate inside them, they have plenty to share around ?

Because they dress up in their poxy outfits and ride on roads they don't need to be on.

Because you give them heaps of room (bike lanes) and they just have to ride on the smacking line.

They ride in large groups and think they own the road.

Because they pay no registration (they own cars blaa blaa blaa who cares)

Then they meet at the local cafe for breakfast in their stupid clothes and their stupid shoes.

Bloody hell i hate 'em.

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 11:06am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:50am: FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:05am: Gawd i hate bike riders. Why is it that our resident red-necks hate cyclists so much ? Is liking or hating bicycling split on political lines like climate change science ? Or do rightards have so much hate inside them, they have plenty to share around ? Because they dress up in their poxy outfits and ride on roads they don't need to be on. Because you give them heaps of room (bike lanes) and they just have to ride on the smacking line. They ride in large groups and think they own the road. Because they pay no registration (they own cars blaa blaa blaa who cares) Then they meet at the local cafe for breakfast in their stupid clothes and their stupid shoes. Bloody hell i hate 'em.

The clothing and shoes have a purpose. I agree about the large groups, but really?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 10:33am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:24am: (Electric-bike riders are Rightwing dudes). Explains a lot. Electric bike riders are lazy

In my experience, yes right wing dudes usually hate cyclists, but like electric bikes.

Lazy, Stupid, Consumed by hate, love telling others how to live, and all conclusions you could draw.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 11:11am:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 11:06am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:50am: FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:05am: Gawd i hate bike riders. Why is it that our resident red-necks hate cyclists so much ? Is liking or hating bicycling split on political lines like climate change science ? Or do rightards have so much hate inside them, they have plenty to share around ? Because they dress up in their poxy outfits and ride on roads they don't need to be on. Because you give them heaps of room (bike lanes) and they just have to ride on the smacking line. They ride in large groups and think they own the road. Because they pay no registration (they own cars blaa blaa blaa who cares) Then they meet at the local cafe for breakfast in their stupid clothes and their stupid shoes. Bloody hell i hate 'em. The clothing and shoes have a purpose. I agree about the large groups, but really?

Yep really.

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 11:16am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 11:11am: FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 11:06am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:50am: FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:05am: Gawd i hate bike riders. Why is it that our resident red-necks hate cyclists so much ? Is liking or hating bicycling split on political lines like climate change science ? Or do rightards have so much hate inside them, they have plenty to share around ? Because they dress up in their poxy outfits and ride on roads they don't need to be on. Because you give them heaps of room (bike lanes) and they just have to ride on the smacking line. They ride in large groups and think they own the road. Because they pay no registration (they own cars blaa blaa blaa who cares) Then they meet at the local cafe for breakfast in their stupid clothes and their stupid shoes. Bloody hell i hate 'em. The clothing and shoes have a purpose. I agree about the large groups, but really? Yep really.

Bigger issues, my friend.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 11:17am:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 11:16am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 11:11am: FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 11:06am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:50am: FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:05am: Gawd i hate bike riders. Why is it that our resident red-necks hate cyclists so much ? Is liking or hating bicycling split on political lines like climate change science ? Or do rightards have so much hate inside them, they have plenty to share around ? Because they dress up in their poxy outfits and ride on roads they don't need to be on. Because you give them heaps of room (bike lanes) and they just have to ride on the smacking line. They ride in large groups and think they own the road. Because they pay no registration (they own cars blaa blaa blaa who cares) Then they meet at the local cafe for breakfast in their stupid clothes and their stupid shoes. Bloody hell i hate 'em. The clothing and shoes have a purpose. I agree about the large groups, but really? Yep really. Bigger issues, my friend.

This is about bike riders.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 10:33am:

Explains a lot. Electric bike riders are lazy

No ~ just health conscious.

Electric-bike riders know that 'Exercise Kills!' We've all seen the posters sponsored by the Cardiac Health people.

'Exercise Kills!'

Heart attacks, mainly.

By law bicycles should have a health warning on them. 'Peddle at your own risk'.

Let me know if you want to see a picture of my electric bike.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 11:37am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:33am: Explains a lot. Electric bike riders are lazy No ~ just health conscious. Electric-bike riders know that Exercise Kills! We've all seen the posters sponsored by the Cardiac Health people. Exercise Kills! Heart attacks, mainly. By law bicycles should have a health warning on them. 'Peddle at your own risk'. Let me know if you want to see a picture of my electric bike.

So fat buggers are healthy?

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

This is about bike riders.

Are you sure you're not being a little racist here?

Okay ... I'm going.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

Exercise Kills! So fat buggers are healthy?

You've got it. Well done.

Skinny buggers die from cancer twice as many as fat buggers.

(I've been told to vacate the thread, so this is my last missive).

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 11:43am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 11:38am: Exercise Kills! So fat buggers are healthy? You've got it. Well done. Skinny buggers die from cancer twice as many as fat buggers. (I've been told to vacate the thread, so this is my last missive).

Assuming all things are equal between a skinny bugger and a healthy bugger. PLus even if the cancer rates are twice as high in skinny buggers, they have far lower Type 2 diabetes and realted illnesses, strokes, pulmonary embolisms, myocardial ischaemia, etc etc.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 11:37am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:33am: Explains a lot. Electric bike riders are lazy No ~ just health conscious. Electric-bike riders know that 'Exercise Kills!' We've all seen the posters sponsored by the Cardiac Health people. 'Exercise Kills!' Heart attacks, mainly. By law bicycles should have a health warning on them. 'Peddle at your own risk'. Let me know if you want to see a picture of my electric bike.

check out      the speedy e-light

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

Assuming all things are equal between a skinny bugger and a healthy bugger. PLus even if the cancer rates are twice as high in skinny buggers, they have far lower Type 2 diabetes and realted illnesses, strokes, pulmonary embolisms, myocardial ischaemia, etc etc.

I'm impressed. I might make you my online cardiac consultant.  :)

I gave up riding bikes when I learnt a lot of cyclers are Speedophiles.  8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 11:46am: Assuming all things are equal between a skinny bugger and a healthy bugger. PLus even if the cancer rates are twice as high in skinny buggers, they have far lower Type 2 diabetes and realted illnesses, strokes, pulmonary embolisms, myocardial ischaemia, etc etc. I'm impressed. I might make you my online cardiac consultant.  :)

Thats what a university dgree, plus honours, plus a grad cert and a masters gets you, besides a big HECS debt

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 11:52am:

Thats what a university dgree, plus honours, plus a grad cert and a masters gets you, besides a big HECS debt

Good on ya. Well done. My niece got hers paid through private grants. I don't know the details.

You don't have to worry about that HECS until you start earning so much per annum ... and then I think it's only 6% of gross pay. (Been a long time since I looked at this).

It's usually fat lazy people that have a go at cyclists....jealousy maybe.

Get used to more bikes in this banana republic.

At the end of the day, laws are laws, she's got the law on her side.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 11:57am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 11:52am: Thats what a university dgree, plus honours, plus a grad cert and a masters gets you, besides a big HECS debt Good on ya. Well done. My niece got hers paid through private grants. I don't know the details. You don't have to worry about that HECS until you start earning so much per annum ... and then I think it's only 6% of gross pay. (Been a long time since I looked at this).

Umm I'm 35, so paid it off a while back

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 9:24am:

True Blue... wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:48am: those dumb ass cyclist should be banned off the road all together... they make me sick... how on earth would that guy even know some idiot was riding up the inside of him... when the rest of the traffic stops those idiots are still slipping up the inside, outside, who knows where they are... I'd have told that nice person to go F*&% herself.. >:( My sentiments exactly. These Leftwing trendies shouldn't be riding bicycles in urban areas any more than should people be riding skateboards in between the cars at stop-lights, and in city traffic. As much as I can, I ride my electric bike on the pavements to keep well away from annoying the car drivers.  8-) (Electric-bike riders are Rightwing dudes).

I really don't know whether that was supposed to be funny or offensive.

It wasn't particularly funny, sooo.....

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 10:50am:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:05am: Gawd i hate bike riders. Why is it that our resident red-necks hate cyclists so much ? Is liking or hating bicycling split on political lines like climate change science ? Or do rightards have so much hate inside them, they have plenty to share around ?

My money's on the latter.

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 11:06am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:50am: FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:05am: Gawd i hate bike riders. Why is it that our resident red-necks hate cyclists so much ? Is liking or hating bicycling split on political lines like climate change science ? Or do rightards have so much hate inside them, they have plenty to share around ? Because they dress up in their poxy outfits and ride on roads they don't need to be on. And where they have every right to be, certainly equal to that of car drivers. Because you give them heaps of room (bike lanes) and they just have to ride on the smacking line. Again, we have every right to be on the road.  And most bike lanes are inadequate afterthoughts. They ride in large groups and think they own the road. It's legal, and we do own the road, again at least as much as car drivers. Because they pay no registration (they own cars blaa blaa blaa who cares) And nor should we. I, personally, would never comply with that. Then they meet at the local cafe for breakfast in their stupid clothes and their stupid shoes. Would you rather they removed them and walked aroung naked? Bloody hell i hate 'em. Good for you, and I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

So, you've made not one valid point, the whole post is nothing but an
irrational attack on a group YOU don't like, for no valid reason BUT that
you do not like them.

BTW: I not only do not wear lycra clothing when riding, I do not even
possess any.

Overtaking on the inside is an offense, or at the very least is stupid......bicycle or car, and as she could plainly see it was a cab, she is a fool not to have foreseen the possibility of a passenger disembarking on the kerbside.

viewpoint wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 1:30pm:

Overtaking on the inside is an offense, or at the very least is stupid......bicycle or car, and as she could plainly see it was a cab, she is a fool not to have foreseen the possibility of a passenger disembarking on the kerbside.

It is NOT, certainly not in Vict-whoria, where this occurred.

The law is on her side.

The passenger committed an offense, she did not.

Kat wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

viewpoint wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 1:30pm: Overtaking on the inside is an offense, or at the very least is stupid......bicycle or car, and as she could plainly see it was a cab, she is a fool not to have foreseen the possibility of a passenger disembarking on the kerbside. It is NOT, certainly not in Vict-whoria, where this occurred. The law is on her side. The passenger committed an offense, she did not.

Then plainly she's an idiot!

Kat wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 1:25pm:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 11:06am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:50am: FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:05am: Gawd i hate bike riders. Why is it that our resident red-necks hate cyclists so much ? Is liking or hating bicycling split on political lines like climate change science ? Or do rightards have so much hate inside them, they have plenty to share around ? Because they dress up in their poxy outfits and ride on roads they don't need to be on. And where they have every right to be, certainly equal to that of car drivers. So? Why not ride on roads more suitable for bikes? Idiots. Because you give them heaps of room (bike lanes) and they just have to ride on the smacking line. Again, we have every right to be on the road.  And most bike lanes are inadequate afterthoughts. Our bike lanes are huge, and they love to ride right on the line. Idiots. They ride in large groups and think they own the road. It's legal, and we do own the road, again at least as much as car drivers. Whoop de do, large groups of these idiots should be forced onto specific roads. You own nothing, road scabs. Because they pay no registration (they own cars blaa blaa blaa who cares) And nor should we. I, personally, would never comply with that. Of course they should, you use it, you help pay for it, your poxy bike lanes aren’t made and painted for free you self-centered tools!! Then they meet at the local cafe for breakfast in their stupid clothes and their stupid shoes. Would you rather they removed them and walked aroung naked? I’d rather they look less like tools. Bloody hell i hate 'em. Good for you, and I'm sure the feeling is mutual. Thank you, I don’t care. So, you've made not one valid point, the whole post is nothing but an irrational attack on a group YOU don't like, for no valid reason BUT that you do not like them. BTW: I not only do not wear lycra clothing when riding, I do not even possess any.

LOL

My points are very valid, self-centered road scabs might disagree.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 11:43am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 11:38am: Exercise Kills! So fat buggers are healthy? You've got it. Well done. Skinny buggers die from cancer twice as many as fat buggers. (I've been told to vacate the thread, so this is my last missive).

thats because the fat bugger dies of a heart attack before the cancer has a chance to develop  :D :D :D :D

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 11:06am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:50am: FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:05am: Gawd i hate bike riders. Why is it that our resident red-necks hate cyclists so much ? Is liking or hating bicycling split on political lines like climate change science ? Or do rightards have so much hate inside them, they have plenty to share around ? Because they dress up in their poxy outfits and ride on roads they don't need to be on.

You hate people because of the way they dress?

You must hate going to the beach then.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 11:06am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:50am: FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:05am: Gawd i hate bike riders. Why is it that our resident red-necks hate cyclists so much ? Is liking or hating bicycling split on political lines like climate change science ? Or do rightards have so much hate inside them, they have plenty to share around ? Because they dress up in their poxy outfits and ride on roads they don't need to be on. You hate people because of the way they dress? You must hate going to the beach then.

he's just scared someone will notice the boner he gets whenever he see's a man in tight lycra ... he's just not ready to come out of the closet yet!

John Smith wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:31pm: FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 11:06am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:50am: FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:05am: Gawd i hate bike riders. Why is it that our resident red-necks hate cyclists so much ? Is liking or hating bicycling split on political lines like climate change science ? Or do rightards have so much hate inside them, they have plenty to share around ? Because they dress up in their poxy outfits and ride on roads they don't need to be on. You hate people because of the way they dress? You must hate going to the beach then. he's just scared someone will notice the boner he gets whenever he see's a man in tight lycra ... he's just not ready to come out of the closet yet!

Oh wow.

Poofter innuendo.

What a smacking dim witted tool.

Being a bike rider and car driver, I can honestly both sets of groups contain idiots. Most however respect each other well.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 11:06am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:50am: FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:05am: Gawd i hate bike riders. Why is it that our resident red-necks hate cyclists so much ? Is liking or hating bicycling split on political lines like climate change science ? Or do rightards have so much hate inside them, they have plenty to share around ? Because they dress up in their poxy outfits and ride on roads they don't need to be on. You hate people because of the way they dress?

Yes, but only if you edit what I wrote you would be correct.

However, you are just like the dim witted tool that followed up.

Kudos to the pair of you.

Kat wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

I really don't know whether that was supposed to be funny or offensive. It wasn't particularly funny, sooo.....

Offensive?  :-[

I actually do ride on the pavement as much as possible ~ carefully.

The reason?

Villa ghetto-housing on quarter acre blocks. It's a recent development and there are scores of them in my neighbourhood already.

What happens is no one can be bothered to park their cars inside these courtyard areas ~ and so they park outside, along the street.

Consequence? I'm forced to ride my bike in the second lane where the cars are streaming past.

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 2:49pm:

Oh wow. Poofter innuendo. What a smacking dim witted tool.

Well, you stand on men in tight clothing does invite "poofter" connotations.

Straight men dont care what other men wear.

viewpoint wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 1:37pm: viewpoint wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 1:30pm: Overtaking on the inside is an offense, or at the very least is stupid......bicycle or car, and as she could plainly see it was a cab, she is a fool not to have foreseen the possibility of a passenger disembarking on the kerbside. It is NOT, certainly not in Vict-whoria, where this occurred. The law is on her side. The passenger committed an offense, she did not. Then plainly she's an idiot!

At least she got a set of sausage-lips that would have cost her a small fortune at the Botox Clinic.

Every cloud ...  :)

Kat wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

I really don't know whether that was supposed to be funny or offensive. It wasn't particularly funny, sooo.....

Offensive?  :-[

I actually do ride on the pavement as much as possible ~ carefully.

The reason?

Villa ghetto-housing on quarter acre blocks. It's a recent development and there are scores of them in my neighbourhood already.

What happens is no one can be bothered to park their cars inside these courtyard areas ~ and so they park outside, along the street.

Consequence? I'm forced to ride my bike in the second lane where the cars are streaming past.

Kat wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

I really don't know whether that was supposed to be funny or offensive. It wasn't particularly funny, sooo.....

Offensive?  :-[

I actually do ride on the pavement as much as possible ~ carefully.

The reason?

Villa ghetto-housing on quarter acre blocks. It's a recent development and there are scores of them in my neighbourhood already.

What happens is no one can be bothered to park their cars inside these courtyard areas ~ and so they park outside, along the street.

Consequence? I'm forced to ride my bike in the second lane where the cars are streaming past.

I was driving on a bendy road with double white lines and I knew there were bikes on the road, (they are every weekend)
I also knew that car drivers get pissed off and take a blind chance of passing the bikes over the double whites.

Soooo, I slowed down to avoid an accident with any oncoming traffic that may have been overtaking the bikes.

The car driver behind me went apeshit waving his hands then passed me giving me the one finger sign.
Loverly man had his young child in the front with him and two road  bikes on the towbar.

You just cant please those bike riders.

It is silly to have laws that encourage bike riders to get killed.
In the heat of the moment if a driver has to choose between hitting a car or a bike, the bike is dead.
Car drivers do do the wrong thing, they will get pissed off by bike riders taking up the whole road, they will take a blind chance.
Bike riders should have to keep single file, no point in them sticking to their rites and getting squashed.

The cyclist did indeed commit a Traffic  Offence - pardon the pun, the cyclist  hasn't got a leg to stand on.

bump

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red baron wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 5:20pm:

The cyclist did indeed commit a Traffic  Offence - pardon the pun, the cyclist  hasn't got a leg to stand on.

What is the offence Baron??? 

There are 2 very basic road rules involved here
1. Don't pass on the left
2. Give way to the right
The cyclist tried to pass on the left making the car/cab on her right.
I've never seen a bike lane as narrow as that & it appears it wasn't one. So the bike rider is in the wrong.

Only an idiot would attempt to pass up the inside in that narrow space. I support the comments made to her by the alighting passengers.

Alinta wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:20pm: The cyclist did indeed commit a Traffic  Offence - pardon the pun, the cyclist  hasn't got a leg to stand on. What is the offence Baron???

Riding without due care and attention.......

Gnads wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 7:07pm:

There are 2 very basic road rules involved here 1. Don't pass on the left 2. Give way to the right The cyclist tried to pass on the left making the car/cab on her right. I've never seen a bike lane as narrow as that & it appears it wasn't one. So the bike rider is in the wrong. Only an idiot would attempt to pass up the inside in that narrow space. I support the comments made to her by the alighting passengers.

Gnads... read this VERY carefully....


It is LEGAL for cyclists to pass on the left-side, certainly in Vict-whoria.

This is fact, not a 'claim' or a 'guess'.

Also, it is ILLEGAL to open a car door in such a manner as to cause an obstruction or accident.

This, also, is a fact, again in Vict-whoria.

I've certainly seen bike lanes as narrow, if not narrower. I do ride daily, remember. There was
some conjecture at first re whether it was a bike lane or not, but you are correct, it is not.

Officially. But it does get used as one regularly, apparently.

But again, considering the laws I've mentioned above, she still was not 'in the wrong'.

The Vict-whorian police seem to agree with me, for some reason. Could it be that I might be
right?


**Adds: The woman concerned is a member of a certain cycling forum, as am I. She definitely
does NOT come across as a smartass or a fool, and is noted for promoting safe cycling, and
cycling in general. She is certainly nothing like she's being portrayed here and elsewhere by
'people' whose hatred of cyclists seems to border on the pathological.

Some of the comments posted online make me seriously question the fitness of the posters
to hold a driver's licence.**

red baron wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 5:20pm:

The cyclist did indeed commit a Traffic  Offence - pardon the pun, the cyclist  hasn't got a leg to stand on.

Sorry, but the law says she did not.

viewpoint wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 7:15pm:

Alinta wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:33pm: red baron wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:20pm: The cyclist did indeed commit a Traffic  Offence - pardon the pun, the cyclist  hasn't got a leg to stand on. What is the offence Baron???  Riding without due care and attention.......

Wrong. Again.

So I take it he was passing on the inside - a traffic offence?

Tough titties - I've advocated for years that cyclists should wear a numbered jacket so they can be identified when breaking the law.

I used to drive a blind van around Sydney city (sometimes ) and was once in the midddle of a left turn with green arrow when I heard this wailing sound coming from te left - I stopped immediately - being a good driver - and barely missed a cyclist courier screaming through on my inside against the law.

Had I not stopped you can imagine who he'd try to blame.

Many other incidents spring to mind - red light running, turning into a one way street the wrong way and forcing me to stop suddenly while driving the correct way etc -and all I can say is if they wish to carry on with suicidal actions while riding in traffic - they have only themselves to blame.

Number 'em and charge 'em an annual fee for registration of the number - fine em for traffic offences.

The road laws say 'vehicle' - anything used to convey a person - that includes a horse etc as well and many a person has been done for traffic offences while riding a horse.

Same applies to bicycle riders.

I can imagine some of you guys having a heart attack in somewhere like Amsterdam, where every front bottom rides a bike. 

I really, really don't understand what the problem with them is.

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

Gawd i hate bike riders.

How many bike riders choke up the atmosphere from exhaust smog from riding their bikes? I happen to be one of those regular bike riders who gave up bike riding chiefly because of the rudeness of some vehicle drivers. But I'm willing to have another go and give drivers hell if they have a go at me. The fact is if we saw 20% of drivers take to bike riding, we would probably see a definite drop in fuel prices as service stations get loaded with an over supply of petrol. Dare to dream.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

So I take it he was passing on the inside - a traffic offence? Tough titties - I've advocated for years that cyclists should wear a numbered jacket so they can be identified when breaking the law. I used to drive a blind van around Sydney city (sometimes ) and was once in the midddle of a left turn with green arrow when I heard this wailing sound coming from te left - I stopped immediately - being a good driver - and barely missed a cyclist courier screaming through on my inside against the law. Had I not stopped you can imagine who he'd try to blame. Many other incidents spring to mind - red light running, turning into a one way street the wrong way and forcing me to stop suddenly while driving the correct way etc -and all I can say is if they wish to carry on with suicidal actions while riding in traffic - they have only themselves to blame. Number 'em and charge 'em an annual fee for registration of the number - fine em for traffic offences. The road laws say 'vehicle' - anything used to convey a person - that includes a horse etc as well and many a person has been done for traffic offences while riding a horse. Same applies to bicycle riders.

It was a she, she was, and it isn't.

The Vict-whorian cops seem to agree.

Or did you ignore my post (replying to Gnads, #71) completely?

Kat Laws about "dooring" should only apply to the drivers side when a bicyclist passes on the right as for all normal passing operations. Passing on the blind side against the curb is the actions of an idiot.

I believe she was expecting this to happen, & so she should in the CBD where cabs are picking up & dropping off. As such it should be her obligation to be prepared to stop. The rear passenger does't have a rear view mirror & the rider was blind to him.

The cyclist was a deliberate idiot.

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:05am: Gawd i hate bike riders. How many bike riders choke up the atmosphere from exhaust smog from riding their bikes? I happen to be one of those regular bike riders who gave up bike riding chiefly because of the rudeness of some vehicle drivers. But I'm willing to have another go and give drivers hell if they have a go at me. The fact is if we saw 20% of drivers take to bike riding, we would probably see a definite drop in fuel prices as service stations get loaded with an over supply of petrol. Dare to dream.

I took up riding again about 8 years ago because it's cheap and healthy. And (mostly) fun!

My family owned our town's 'bike shop' when I was a kid, so I'd always had a background
with bikes in it. Got my first (a 16" Speedwell) in 1962 as a 4-year-old.

The difference in the attitudes of drivers nowadays towards cyclists, compared to when I last
rode regularly (the mid-80s, when the kids were ... well, kids) is bloody incredible! Their
hatred really does border (and sometimes crosses that border) the psychopathic.

I'm not some young tear-arse on a mountain bike with no lights, I don't 'race' on the road as
if I'm riding in the Tour de France and, as a motorcyclist for most of my life, I am both aware
of, and OBEY the road rules. My bikes are not the $10k+ playthings of the rich, they are mostly
vintage and classic machines, and nor am I a 'MAMIL' (middle-aged man in lycra). But I am 56
not 16, and I do tend towards preserving my life rather than risking it.

I know that there are a lot of male reproductive organs out there riding bicycles. Of course there
are. Every barrel has its rotten apples.

But to abuse, denigrate and threaten cyclists as some are doing, is truly fracking reprehensible.

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:05am: Gawd i hate bike riders. How many bike riders choke up the atmosphere from exhaust smog from riding their bikes? I happen to be one of those regular bike riders who gave up bike riding chiefly because of the rudeness of some vehicle drivers. But I'm willing to have another go and give drivers hell if they have a go at me. The fact is if we saw 20% of drivers take to bike riding, we would probably see a definite drop in fuel prices as service stations get loaded with an over supply of petrol. Dare to dream.

You no like chokee - no ridee bike in traffic!  Nobody is forcing you to.

Rudeness goes both ways I'm afraid - what ever became of the rule that you ride bicycles Indian file.... not side by side like it's a Sunday jaunt in the park.

You want respect - give it.

Door 'em all - let God sort 'em out!   8-)

ADDS:-  Unit cost - i.e per litre cost - of petrol would go up since the costs still occur....

Let's try it this way - your costs of selling petrol, owning the joint etc, are 80% of your total take.   You suddenly stop selling as much - are your costs going to go down?  You won't buy as many litres, but you won't sell as many litres - and therefore the overall profit margin declines - ergo - you are forced to raise the price to continue in business.

That kinda juggles up and down a little - but with static costs as high as they are, a business needs to turn over stock to earn.

Gnads wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

Kat Laws about "dooring" should only apply to the drivers side when a bicyclist passes on the right as for all normal passing operations. Passing on the blind side against the curb is the actions of an idiot. I believe she was expecting this to happen, & so she should in the CBD where cabs are picking up & dropping off. As such it should be her obligation to be prepared to stop. The rear passenger does't have a rear view mirror & the rider was blind to him. The cyclist was a deliberate idiot.

Wrong.

Passing on the left is LEGAL for a cyclist.

Opening a car door in a manner which causes obstruction or accident is ILLEGAL.

The LAW says so.

The LAW says she did nothing wrong.

What causes your irrational hatred of cyclists?

Or, is it the poster (me) you have the issue with?

Kat wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 8:12pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 7:57pm: Kat Laws about "dooring" should only apply to the drivers side when a bicyclist passes on the right as for all normal passing operations. Passing on the blind side against the curb is the actions of an idiot. I believe she was expecting this to happen, & so she should in the CBD where cabs are picking up & dropping off. As such it should be her obligation to be prepared to stop. The rear passenger does't have a rear view mirror & the rider was blind to him. The cyclist was a deliberate idiot. Wrong. Passing on the left is LEGAL for a cyclist. Opening a car door in a manner which causes obstruction or accident is ILLEGAL. The LAW says so. The LAW says she did nothing wrong. What causes your irrational hatred of cyclists? Or, is it the poster (me) you have the issue with?

Kat - with all due respect -  even if it is 'legal' for a fool to attempt to pass  on the inside of a vehicle stopped to pick up and set down passengers - it should NOT be, for two reasons.

Again - a bicycle is a vehicle and must be bound by the road rules. 

Secondly, as the other person said - the passenger has no way of seeing a bisexual running up the inside and cannot take avoiding or preventative action... the bisexual rider has every opportunity to take such action by NOT doing the stupid thing in the first place, and should therefore be held as responsible as a car driver for the same actions.

In the case I cited, with my turning left - that idiot was doing at least 25 mph and had no intention of stopping no matter what - he only survived through my sound judgement as a driver - but he did not deserve to.

What law permits ONLY a bisexual rider to not keep a careful lookout, to pass on the inside, and to drive in a manner dangerous?  If I ad ever attempted, in a van or car, to do what the cyclist did and an accident occurred as a result - I would be massively punished.

Imagine the impact of a bicycle traveling at 20+ mph hitting a frail passenger alighting from a cab in a situation where that passenger had every reasonable expectation of being able to do so safely.... your grandmother for instance.. what would you say then?

IF those laws say bisexual riders can do those things with impunity - then the laws need to be changed and such fools need to not be covered by any injury compensation because of the very nature of their own foolhardy behaviour.

... wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

I can imagine some of you guys having a heart attack in somewhere like Amsterdam, where every nice person rides a bike.  I really, really don't understand what the problem with them is.

Want my guess?

Too bad, here it is anyway.

I found the same thing riding motorcycles for many years, but I feel that a large part
of it, especially in the major cities where roads are crowded and time is money, is due
to the perceived way that bikes and cycles can take advantage (legally) of gaps that a
car cannot. So they perceive that the motorcyclist or the cyclist is somehow getting an
'unfair' advantage. This has actually been mentioned to me by several non-riders when
discussing the issue.

While it may look 'dangerous' to someone who's never ridden (or hasn't ridden for many
years) 'filtering' at traffic lights by going between two lanes of traffic is, provided no ass-
hole opens a door) is perfectly safe, and is often legal. Bicycles are legally allowed to do
this on the left.

Lane-splitting on the open road/expressway/tollway at 100km/h, as shown in some 'bikie'
films, is neither safe nor legal, and rightly so. But so many fail to understand the difference
between the two.

You could also add in 'intimidatory riding' - riding in such a manner as to deliberately compel another road user to abide by your behaviour and allow you unfettered right of way - even when it is a clear breach of law and sense.

Deliberately placing yourself in harm's way in order to - say - be able to run a red light against traffic - and thus forcing other road users with right of way to stop needs to be punished.

Numbered jerseys and penalties from cameras etc when such things occur.

I recall one group of kindly bisexual riders stopping up the gates on a freeway in Sydney in some protest over being allowed to rule the roads (as usual) - one went at an Asian man sitting in his car, waving a bisexual pump at him...

Don't recall that arsehole being fined or charged with assault.  It seems bike riders think they are above the law - therefore they need to be brought into line with it.

... wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

I can imagine some of you guys having a heart attack in somewhere like Amsterdam, where every nice person rides a bike.  I really, really don't understand what the problem with them is.

If I were in Amsterdam I'd be strolling around and trying to shag Dutch women... not driving on the narrow streets in a strange city.

Kat wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 8:26pm:

... wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 7:30pm: I can imagine some of you guys having a heart attack in somewhere like Amsterdam, where every nice person rides a bike.  I really, really don't understand what the problem with them is. Want my guess? Too bad, here it is anyway. I found the same thing riding motorcycles for many years, but I feel that a large part of it, especially in the major cities where roads are crowded and time is money, is due to the perceived way that bikes and cycles can take advantage (legally) of gaps that a car cannot. So they perceive that the motorcyclist or the cyclist is somehow getting an 'unfair' advantage. This has actually been mentioned to me by several non-riders when discussing the issue. While it may look 'dangerous' to someone who's never ridden (or hasn't ridden for many years) 'filtering' at traffic lights by going between two lanes of traffic is, provided no ass- hole opens a door) is perfectly safe, and is often legal. Bicycles are legally allowed to do this on the left. Lane-splitting on the open road/expressway/tollway at 100km/h, as shown in some 'bikie' films, is neither safe nor legal, and rightly so. But so many fail to understand the difference between the two.

It doesn't just LOOK dangerous - it IS dangerous when accidents such as this occur.  Ipso facto...

The fact that many get away with dangerous and stupid things like running red lights, screaming through on the inside of a turning vehicle and so forth, does not mean it is not inherently dangerous to do so.

BTW - are you suggesting that it is legal to pass inside a vehicle in the process of turning left in Victoria and that it is somehow a 'right' to do so?  You are kidding me!

There but for the grace of good drivers...

Door 'em all - let God  sort 'em out!

Can anyone answer this?

The motorists bitch like crazy (well not so much like crazy) about bicycles being 'allowed' on the road.

But wherever and whenever a Council decides to put some bike-specific infrastructure in place, the motorists scream
again because they've lost half a metre of 'their' road?

And yet, it's 'illegal' for anyone over 12 to ride on the footpath (pedestrians can walk on cycle paths,
though) despite the horrendously dangerous and often out-of-control 'invalid carriages' or 'mobility scooters' or
whatever you want to call them being allowed, pretty-well, open season on the footpaths.

A woman was recently run over and seriously by one of these 'hoons' in my town. On a travelator. In the mall.

My town's population is only around 25,000 people, so traffic is pretty good, except in peak hour. But there are
one or two roads that I simply WILL NOT ride on. They are too dangerous, and the cycle path is about 500mm
wide, and rough as guts. So, I ride on the footpath. Stuff the law, my safety trumps the law.

If a senile 90-year-old in a 4-wheeled small electric car (basically) is to be allowed on footpaths, surely an adult
on a bicycle (better reflexes, eyesight, strength, bike has better brakes, tyres, handling etc) should be allowed.

And it's London to a brick the cyclist would be the safer of the two.



Now, send in the clowns.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

You could also add in 'intimidatory riding' - riding in such a manner as to deliberately compel another road user to abide by your behaviour and allow you unfettered right of way - even when it is a clear breach of law and sense. Deliberately placing yourself in harm's way in order to - say - be able to run a red light against traffic - and thus forcing other road users with right of way to stop needs to be punished. Numbered jerseys and penalties from cameras etc when such things occur. I recall one group of kindly bisexual riders stopping up the gates on a freeway in Sydney in some protest over being allowed to rule the roads (as usual) - one went at an Asian man sitting in his car, waving a bisexual pump at him... Don't recall that arsehole being fined or charged with assault.  It seems bike riders think they are above the law - therefore they need to be brought into line with it.

Again, a small minority.

And no-one but an abject bugger (sorry, mods) would deliberately put himself in harm's way on a bloody treadly.

Re the bisexual riders (is that the word-filter in action), as I said earlier, every barrel has its rotten apples.

Doesn't justify tarring all cyclists with that brush.

Nor does it justify killing and/or maiming them, or clamouring to do so on Farce-book.

Or here.

WTF is a bisexual pump?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 8:34pm:

It doesn't just LOOK dangerous - it IS dangerous when accidents such as this occur.  Ipso facto... The fact that many get away with dangerous and stupid things like running red lights, screaming through on the inside of a turning vehicle and so forth, does not mean it is not inherently dangerous to do so. BTW - are you suggesting that it is legal to pass inside a vehicle in the process of turning left in Victoria and that it is somehow a 'right' to do so?  You are kidding me! There but for the grace of good drivers... Door 'em all - let God  sort 'em out!

#1. No, it is NOT dangerous if done correctly. And yes, it IS legal, like it or not.

#2. The vehicle was NOT turning right, as the driver has confirmed.

#3. I'm not suggesting anything of the kind, I'm just stating what the LAW in Vict-whoria says. Shoot them, not me.

#4. That last comment should be reported. I would, but I simply can't be f@cked.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 8:52pm:

WTF is a bisexual pump?

What's the point of that post?

Yeah... but...... seriously.. it is getting off the issue to discuss the facilities for puche bike riders in every town.   

The simple reality is that the law is way behind on those riders who do the wrong thing - and as operators of a vehicle as defined by law they should be under the same umbrella.

Have to agree with the mobility scooter thing - I saw an ancient guy doing maybe 20 kph on a footpath in town.  Man he couldn't have stopped if someone had stepped out of a shop door.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 8:54pm:

Yeah... but...... seriously.. it is getting off the issue to discuss the facilities for puche bike riders in every town.    The simple reality is that the law is way behind on those riders who do the wrong thing - and as operators of a vehicle as defined by law they should be under the same umbrella. Have to agree with the mobility scooter thing - I saw an ancient guy doing maybe 20 kph on a footpath in town.  Man he couldn't have stopped if someone had stepped out of a shop door.

More BS from Grappler who likess to make things up randomly. Mobility scooters in Australia are limited to a top speed of 10kph.

Kat wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 8:53pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:34pm: It doesn't just LOOK dangerous - it IS dangerous when accidents such as this occur.  Ipso facto... The fact that many get away with dangerous and stupid things like running red lights, screaming through on the inside of a turning vehicle and so forth, does not mean it is not inherently dangerous to do so. BTW - are you suggesting that it is legal to pass inside a vehicle in the process of turning left in Victoria and that it is somehow a 'right' to do so?  You are kidding me! There but for the grace of good drivers... Door 'em all - let God  sort 'em out! #1. No, it is NOT dangerous if done correctly. And yes, it IS legal, like it or not. So it IS dangerous - and only is not when those doing it are properly careful?  So - what's the argument here? #2. The vehicle was NOT turning right, as the driver has confirmed. You've lost me - the cab was setting down a passenger - the passenger opened the door to get out.. the bike rider hit the door.  What is this 'turning right'? #3. I'm not suggesting anything of the kind, I'm just stating what the LAW in Vict-whoria says. Shoot them, not me. Good.  then we are on the same page - such stupidity needs to be brought under proper control and the Law is sometimes way behind on realities. #4. That last comment should be reported. I would, but I simply can't be f@cked. Which one? [color=#ff0000] 'Door 'em all - let God sort 'em out?'  Nah - it's time-honoured.. par for the course in say, Iran - execute 'em all, let Allah sort 'em out etc.[/color]

ian wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 8:58pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:54pm: Yeah... but...... seriously.. it is getting off the issue to discuss the facilities for puche bike riders in every town.    The simple reality is that the law is way behind on those riders who do the wrong thing - and as operators of a vehicle as defined by law they should be under the same umbrella. Have to agree with the mobility scooter thing - I saw an ancient guy doing maybe 20 kph on a footpath in town.  Man he couldn't have stopped if someone had stepped out of a shop door. More BS from Grappler who likess to make things up randomly. Mobility scooters in Australia are limited to a top speed of 10kph.

You reckon so?  This guy was doing more than that - I was there - you were not - tax cheat and teller of tall tales!

You don't filter up the left of a left indicating/turning vehicle, that is clearly dumb, and is in breach of the road rules in Vic.

Any other time is OK. Infact, encouraged as it gets you to the 'bike box' at the front of the lane, from where you have priority to commence on the change of lights.

Obviously, do your own risk assessment.

Lol, Im the teller of tall tales! Im not claiming physical imposssibilities. how many sherries did you have before you saw this deranged maniac hooning his mobility scooter?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 8:54pm:

Yeah... but...... seriously.. it is getting off the issue to discuss the facilities for puche bike riders in every town.    The simple reality is that the law is way behind on those riders who do the wrong thing - and as operators of a vehicle as defined by law they should be under the same umbrella. Have to agree with the mobility scooter thing - I saw an ancient guy doing maybe 20 kph on a footpath in town.  Man he couldn't have stopped if someone had stepped out of a shop door.

Well, yes. And no.

Off the topic of this particular incident, for sure.

But then, every town has cyclists, and some are better served than others.

I was in Can't-berra last week to visit the 'Gold of the Incas' exhibition at the
Art Gallery (well worth a look, BTW) and was amazed at the bike-friendly
infrastructure they have there, both in quality and in quantity. And it keeps
the cyclists off the roads (and isn't that what motorists want)?

But in Sydney, they want to hang Clover Moore for trying to do the same thing.

With the exception of a few (admittedly pretty good) cycle paths, my town paints
a 2'strip up one side of the road, and that's your bike lane (very similar to, and
no wider than, the one Summernight was in when she was doored.

Go figure? I can't.

Rider wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 9:02pm:

You don't filter up the left of a left indicating/turning vehicle, that is clearly dumb, and is in breach of the road rules in Vic. Any other time is OK. Infact, encouraged as it gets you to the 'bike box' at the front of the lane, from where you have priority to commence on the change of lights. Obviously, do your own risk assessment.

Once more, for the idiot who turned up late...

He wasn't turning. Cyclists can legally pass on the left. It is an offence to open a car door in a manner to cause obstruction or an accident/

She broke no laws.

He did.

The Vict-whorian police agree.

Get it right, and read the previous posts before commenting.

Or p1ss off.

ian wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 9:02pm:

Lol, Im the teller of tall tales! Im not claiming physical imposssibilities. how many sherries did you have before you saw this deranged maniac hooning his mobility scooter?

And you, also, would do well to read previous comments before you put your oar in.

I see nothing more than a personal attack there. It has been reported as such.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 9:00pm:

ian wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:58pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:54pm: Yeah... but...... seriously.. it is getting off the issue to discuss the facilities for puche bike riders in every town.    The simple reality is that the law is way behind on those riders who do the wrong thing - and as operators of a vehicle as defined by law they should be under the same umbrella. Have to agree with the mobility scooter thing - I saw an ancient guy doing maybe 20 kph on a footpath in town.  Man he couldn't have stopped if someone had stepped out of a shop door. More BS from Grappler who likess to make things up randomly. Mobility scooters in Australia are limited to a top speed of 10kph. You reckon so?  This guy was doing more than that - I was there - you were not - tax cheat and teller of tall tales!

I've personally clocked a local one at 25km/h by my bike speedo/computer.

And the bloke thinks he owns the footpath/mall/club, wherever he happens
to be. You don't move, and he WILL hit you with it.

Not arguing with what the law says, just relating personal experience.

Kat wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 9:09pm:

ian wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:02pm: Lol, Im the teller of tall tales! Im not claiming physical imposssibilities. how many sherries did you have before you saw this deranged maniac hooning his mobility scooter? And you, also, would do well to read previous comments before you put your oar in. I see nothing more than a personal attack there. It has been reported as such.

grow up, grappler fabricated a claim and got caught out. Take your handbag and have a good cry in the corner.

Kat wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 9:13pm:

I've personally clocked a local one at 25km/h by my bike speedo/computer. And the bloke thinks he owns the footpath/mall/club, wherever he happens to be. You don't move, and he WILL hit you with it. Not arguing with what the law says, just relating personal experience.

Yeah, right. How convenient. I dont what you people get out of fabricating this nonsense. Is this a sign of some sort of inferiority complex I wonder.

Kat wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 9:07pm:

Rider wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:02pm: You don't filter up the left of a left indicating/turning vehicle, that is clearly dumb, and is in breach of the road rules in Vic. Any other time is OK. Infact, encouraged as it gets you to the 'bike box' at the front of the lane, from where you have priority to commence on the change of lights. Obviously, do your own risk assessment. Once more, for the idiot who turned up late... He wasn't turning. Cyclists can legally pass on the left. It is an offence to open a car door in a manner to cause obstruction or an accident/ She broke no laws. He did. The Vict-whorian police agree. Get it right, and read the previous posts before commenting. Or p1ss off.

Take a pill and keep your stupidity in check. Just stated the rules, making no comment on the event which occurred as I can see she/he broke no law.

Oh, and thicko, i'm a tad pro cycling...given i regularly do upwards of 450k's a week....

Kat wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 9:03pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:54pm: Yeah... but...... seriously.. it is getting off the issue to discuss the facilities for puche bike riders in every town.    The simple reality is that the law is way behind on those riders who do the wrong thing - and as operators of a vehicle as defined by law they should be under the same umbrella. Have to agree with the mobility scooter thing - I saw an ancient guy doing maybe 20 kph on a footpath in town.  Man he couldn't have stopped if someone had stepped out of a shop door. Well, yes. And no. Off the topic of this particular incident, for sure. But then, every town has cyclists, and some are better served than others. I was in Can't-berra last week to visit the 'Gold of the Incas' exhibition at the Art Gallery (well worth a look, BTW) and was amazed at the bike-friendly infrastructure they have there, both in quality and in quantity. And it keeps the cyclists off the roads (and isn't that what motorists want)? But in Sydney, they want to hang Clover Moore for trying to do the same thing. With the exception of a few (admittedly pretty good) cycle paths, my town paints a 2'strip up one side of the road, and that's your bike lane (very similar to, and no wider than, the one Summernight was in when she was doored. Go figure? I can't.

Hmm -  I've long advocated closing off the Sydney CBD to all but those with a car space sticker and commercial vehicles and bicycles.  Those streets are way too close and crowded for real safety and a bigger Mongrel Rail system would have been better than demolishing the one they had.

Hop a train to central and pedal to work in the city....
Just a thought...

2' sounds a bit slim..... on an already narrow road...

Trams maybe..... gotta watch them bisexual bicycle wheels caught in the tracks though..

Rider wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 9:16pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:07pm: Rider wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:02pm: You don't filter up the left of a left indicating/turning vehicle, that is clearly dumb, and is in breach of the road rules in Vic. Any other time is OK. Infact, encouraged as it gets you to the 'bike box' at the front of the lane, from where you have priority to commence on the change of lights. Obviously, do your own risk assessment. Once more, for the idiot who turned up late... He wasn't turning. Cyclists can legally pass on the left. It is an offence to open a car door in a manner to cause obstruction or an accident/ She broke no laws. He did. The Vict-whorian police agree. Get it right, and read the previous posts before commenting. Or p1ss off. Take a pill and keep your stupidity in check. Just stated the rules, making no comment on the event which occurred as I can see she/he broke no law. Oh, and thicko, i'm a tad pro cycling...given i regularly do upwards of 450k's a week....

Well - any rule that permits someone to ride into danger, including danger to others, with impunity is not a rule that should be accepted, and one that, indeed, needs to be changed.

It's also not against the law for pushbike riders to ride off a cliff.... so - they should suddenly take leave of their senses and charge at a steel monster in front of them?

Didn't they ever hear the words 'defensive riding'?

**give the page turner a kick in the shins**

The rule needs to be made - same as with buses and school kids - give way - and I would prefer 'No Overtaking When Lights Flashing'.  I'm happy with that rather than hit a kid.

Not that many kids get nailed every year near buses - but it was enough to bring in at least a speed limit when passing a bus so as to avoid hitting kids running around them.

Should be the same with bikes - no overtaking near gutter when vehicle is stopped... between lanes you take your chances... but that can still lead to being doored...

ian wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 9:02pm:

Lol, Im the teller of tall tales! Im not claiming physical imposssibilities. how many sherries did you have before you saw this deranged maniac hooning his mobility scooter?

;D ;D  I love it when you try your hardest to get at me with your personal mis-directions... adds a bit of light comedy to the evening...

Spinning an old 45 disc for you now:-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oyu5sFzWLk8

Some guys in the UK got a mobility scooter up to 120 kph

well Jesus needs to know theres someone else performing miracles.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Rider wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:16pm: Kat wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:07pm: Rider wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:02pm: You don't filter up the left of a left indicating/turning vehicle, that is clearly dumb, and is in breach of the road rules in Vic. Any other time is OK. Infact, encouraged as it gets you to the 'bike box' at the front of the lane, from where you have priority to commence on the change of lights. Obviously, do your own risk assessment. Once more, for the idiot who turned up late... He wasn't turning. Cyclists can legally pass on the left. It is an offence to open a car door in a manner to cause obstruction or an accident/ She broke no laws. He did. The Vict-whorian police agree. Get it right, and read the previous posts before commenting. Or p1ss off. Take a pill and keep your stupidity in check. Just stated the rules, making no comment on the event which occurred as I can see she/he broke no law. Oh, and thicko, i'm a tad pro cycling...given i regularly do upwards of 450k's a week.... Well - any rule that permits someone to ride into danger, including danger to others, with impunity is not a rule that should be accepted, and one that, indeed, needs to be changed. It's also not against the law for pushbike riders to ride off a cliff.... so - they should suddenly take leave of their senses and charge at a steel monster in front of them? Didn't they ever hear the words 'defensive riding'?

Yep, see above. Personally, from the footage, it isn't what I'd do on that piece of road.

On wider lanes, few or no parked cars, yep, do it every day of the week.

Want me to list all the road rules i see getting bent, broken and abused each day by car drivers??? Really.......stones....glass houses....

ian wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 9:38pm:

well Jesus needs to know theres someone else performing miracles.

Here's hoping you get an IQ off them, well.

Cyclists want to ride along a taxi rank between the taxis and the kerb and expect 'the law' to do the thinking for them (like this woman in the clip)??


This is what happens in an overregulated society - idiots will feel positively entitled to be unthinking, careless idiots.

There is no rear view mirror for back seat passengers. But stand by for some stupid legislation mandating taxis, and soon all private vehicles, to have rear view mirrors for every passenger, back and front, simply because some people are just too fvckn stupid for words.

You are supposed to be more alert to your environment when you are on a bike. I ride every day and I am.
This galoot is obviously zoning out as she rides along on a busy street.

Soren wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

Cyclists want to ride along a taxi rank between the taxis and the kerb and expect 'the law' to do the thinking for them (like this woman in the clip)?? This is what happens in an overregulated society - idiots will feel positively entitled to be unthinking, careless idiots. There is no rear view mirror for back seat passengers. But stand by for some stupid legislation mandating taxis, and soon all private vehicles, to have rear view mirrors for every passenger, back and front, simply because some people are just too fvckn stupid for words. You are supposed to be more alert to your environment when you are on a bike. I ride every day and I am. This galoot is obviously zoning out as she rides along on a busy street.

You're wrong on just about everything, Soreass.

Did you even watch the clip. She was not alone, she was not speeding, and she was not on drugs or drunk.

Rightly or wrongly (and I won't get into that) the law in Vict-whoria says she was in the right, and that the
passenger in the cab was in the wrong.

So, I'm going with what the law says, and which has been corroborated by Summernight on our cyclist forum.

She is NOT a 'galoot' by any means., Nor is she 'unthinking' or 'careless'.

If you think the law is wrong, then by all means take it up with the Vict-whorian government and/or their
police, rather than reflexively bagging Summernight.

(Or me, for those who've been doing so)..

And just to confuse the was-it-or-wasn't-it a bike lane issue... they paint a bike in the lane, but it isn't a bike lane unless there's some stupid sign, which could be quite some distance away??? WTF??

Read it, and have a listen to Summernight's take on it.

And you WILL hear the police back her up.

Bet you won't watch, or if you do, you'll skew and spin it.





Painted pictures on the road of bicycles are confusing road users and creating a "false sense of security" because they are not actually bike lanes, the state's top bicycle police officer has said.

Sergeant Arty Lavos, state bicycle operations coordinator, was answering questions about the road rules and bicycles after a taxi passenger was filmed on camera opening a car door into the path of a cyclist travelling down the kerb side of the lane. Known as dooring, the incident occurred on Collins Street, Melbourne on Monday.

Sergeant Lavos said lanes with bicycles drawn on them were not technically bicycle lanes. He pointed out a "classic example" in front of the Victoria Police Centre in Flinders Street.

"That's a painted bicycle symbol in that lane there, but it is not a bike lane because it has no signage," Sergeant Lavos said.

"It must have a "start bike lane" sign on the top (of a pole), as well as the markings on the road, then an end sign either at an intersection or wherever it technically ends," he said.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/cardooring-reveals-confusion-over-bike-lanes-20140319-3522t.html#ixzz2wPhtiN6H

Kat wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 9:43pm:

ian wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:38pm: well Jesus needs to know theres someone else performing miracles. Here's hoping you get an IQ off them, well.

finished crying yet?

ian wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 12:02am:

Kat wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:43pm: ian wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:38pm: well Jesus needs to know theres someone else performing miracles. Here's hoping you get an IQ off them, well. finished crying yet?

Not bad, dropkick.

Two or three posts in the thread, NONE of which address the topic, but all of which slag me.

Well done. Goose.

Rider wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 9:16pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:07pm: Rider wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:02pm: You don't filter up the left of a left indicating/turning vehicle, that is clearly dumb, and is in breach of the road rules in Vic. Any other time is OK. Infact, encouraged as it gets you to the 'bike box' at the front of the lane, from where you have priority to commence on the change of lights. Obviously, do your own risk assessment. Once more, for the idiot who turned up late... He wasn't turning. Cyclists can legally pass on the left. It is an offence to open a car door in a manner to cause obstruction or an accident/ She broke no laws. He did. The Vict-whorian police agree. Get it right, and read the previous posts before commenting. Or p1ss off. Take a pill and keep your stupidity in check. Just stated the rules, making no comment on the event which occurred as I can see she/he broke no law. Oh, and thicko, i'm a tad pro cycling...given i regularly do upwards of 450k's a week....

And got them wrong. I've posted the Vic laws several times in this
thread, pretty-much direct quotes from the Vic gunse...er, police.

You then get them wrong, then slag me off and call me a 'thicko'
when I re-post them? Maybe I could have been more tactful
but I've found that carries little weight here.

No, sorry. Can't work that one out.

And I, also, ride daily, both for fun and for transport, around 150
km/week plus on average (it's a small country town of 25,000, not
a big city).

Having just viewed the footage of the cyclist getting doored, I too had a chuckle. Though she might have a point about the passenger needing to take some care, she shouldn't have been riding along the gutter in the first place. I didn't see a bike lane in the footage. Although I will have another look to see if this is the case. The other thing to remember is that she is also a part of the traffic. For her to overtake a vehicle, even if it is coming to a stop, she should have taken precautions and should have slowed down herself.

I'll just assume that the cyclist was just reacting from the adrenaline rush after running into the door. I'm siding with the passenger of that taxi.

Kat wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 10:54pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:23pm: Cyclists want to ride along a taxi rank between the taxis and the kerb and expect 'the law' to do the thinking for them (like this woman in the clip)?? This is what happens in an overregulated society - idiots will feel positively entitled to be unthinking, careless idiots. There is no rear view mirror for back seat passengers. But stand by for some stupid legislation mandating taxis, and soon all private vehicles, to have rear view mirrors for every passenger, back and front, simply because some people are just too fvckn stupid for words. You are supposed to be more alert to your environment when you are on a bike. I ride every day and I am. This galoot is obviously zoning out as she rides along on a busy street. You're wrong on just about everything, Soreass. Did you even watch the clip. She was not alone, she was not speeding, and she was not on drugs or drunk. Rightly or wrongly (and I won't get into that) the law in Vict-whoria says she was in the right, and that the passenger in the cab was in the wrong. So, I'm going with what the law says, and which has been corroborated by Summernight on our cyclist forum. She is NOT a 'galoot' by any means., Nor is she 'unthinking' or 'careless'. If you think the law is wrong, then by all means take it up with the Vict-whorian government and/or their police, rather than reflexively bagging Summernight. (Or me, for those who've been doing so)..

You have to bee a galoot, trying ride a bike between taxis and the kerb at a at a taxi rank - just because a law didn't specifically say 'use common sense'.

Why not cycle between buses and the kerb at a bus station?


Galoot is correct.

Gnads wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 7:07pm:

There are 2 very basic road rules involved here 1. Don't pass on the left 2. Give way to the right The cyclist tried to pass on the left making the car/cab on her right. I've never seen a bike lane as narrow as that & it appears it wasn't one. So the bike rider is in the wrong. Only an idiot would attempt to pass up the inside in that narrow space. I support the comments made to her by the alighting passengers.

they do have stupid bike lanes in Melbourne like that... virtually riding in the drain...

but the fricken cyclist only ride in them when the lights are go red... filtering up the inside when passengers may be getting out..

they are on the outside of you, up the inside of you... if they obeyed the road rules like the rest of the traffic then they'd never get hit by a door..

cyclist are calling this a "dooring" ...

bullshit..

dooring is deliberate... that incident wasn't ....

im positive some of these cyclist only wear a camera to try and get into an incident so that they can post it on line and get all "wanked" up...

I hate it when a group of them come into a café when we're in there... all LOUD MOUTHED obnoxious rsoles...  >:(

these cyclist also need to wear numberplates and pay tax for their "special" lanes...

you'd raise a lot of money to pay for their "special" lanes with all of their traffic infringements..

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 5:54am:

Oh what compassion. So now nobody should ride bikes? Didnt your mother teach you to look before you open a car door? I saw a car door taken off by another car in front of a hospital in townsville once. Nobody was hurt but they could have been. SOB

Look, I saw the footage of that incident and I saw the so called bike lane.
Seriously, it is only about a foot wide and right up against the gutter.
Those men were in a taxi that had pulled up to the side of the road to let them out. So they were getting out. It is perfectly possible they had no idea there was a little section there where bikes could go. I would not have had!
When a taxi pulls over, you assume you can get out.
The incident was not deliberate and in fact those men could potentially have been hurt more than that cyclist.

Having said that, if I opened a door and hit someone, I would help them up and say sorry, I didn't see you.
But I thought the cyclist was very aggressive too. demanding they hand over details. I would not have handed over my name and address either.
And if I were a cyclist, riding in the city, and saw a taxi stopped ahead of me-would I thunder past on the left side, on my bike? Nope.

Someone here mentioned the council stated the little section next to the path is not an official designated bike lane. It sure does not look like it as I have never seen one in such a location, on the left of where a car would park. The ones I have seen are all on the right of the parking lane. It would be a stupid spot on the left as drivers and passengers are used to checking the right side of a car before alighting, but not the kerb side.

I think the cyclist, even if it turns out she was technically in the 'right' needs to wake up and show a bit more caution.

Kat wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 12:46am:

Rider wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:16pm: Kat wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:07pm: Rider wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:02pm: You don't filter up the left of a left indicating/turning vehicle, that is clearly dumb, and is in breach of the road rules in Vic. Any other time is OK. Infact, encouraged as it gets you to the 'bike box' at the front of the lane, from where you have priority to commence on the change of lights. Obviously, do your own risk assessment. Once more, for the idiot who turned up late... He wasn't turning. Cyclists can legally pass on the left. It is an offence to open a car door in a manner to cause obstruction or an accident/ She broke no laws. He did. The Vict-whorian police agree. Get it right, and read the previous posts before commenting. Or p1ss off. Take a pill and keep your stupidity in check. Just stated the rules, making no comment on the event which occurred as I can see she/he broke no law. Oh, and thicko, i'm a tad pro cycling...given i regularly do upwards of 450k's a week.... And got them wrong. I've posted the Vic laws several times in this thread, pretty-much direct quotes from the Vic gunse...er, police. You then get them wrong, then slag me off and call me a 'thicko' when I re-post them? Maybe I could have been more tactful but I've found that carries little weight here. No, sorry. Can't work that one out. And I, also, ride daily, both for fun and for transport, around 150 km/week plus on average (it's a small country town of 25,000, not a big city).

Left turning vehicle
Rule: A bike rider must not ride on the left side of a vehicle that is indicating left and turning at an intersection.
Tip: Stay in the traffic lane behind the turning vehicle.

Let's start again thicko....I'm not actually disagreeing with you  ;D

When I said he/she broke no rules I was referring to the cyclist. Not the fat slobs who got out of the cab, it is easy to see they are male.

I will type slower in future thicko so you may have a better chance to understand.

True Blue... wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 6:19am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 7:07pm: There are 2 very basic road rules involved here 1. Don't pass on the left 2. Give way to the right The cyclist tried to pass on the left making the car/cab on her right. I've never seen a bike lane as narrow as that & it appears it wasn't one. So the bike rider is in the wrong. Only an idiot would attempt to pass up the inside in that narrow space. I support the comments made to her by the alighting passengers. they do have stupid bike lanes in Melbourne like that... virtually riding in the drain... but the fricken cyclist only ride in them when the lights are go red... filtering up the inside when passengers may be getting out.. they are on the outside of you, up the inside of you... if they obeyed the road rules like the rest of the traffic then they'd never get hit by a door.. cyclist are calling this a "dooring" ... bullshit.. dooring is deliberate... that incident wasn't .... im positive some of these cyclist only wear a camera to try and get into an incident so that they can post it on line and get all "wanked" up... I hate it when a group of them come into a café when we're in there... all LOUD MOUTHED obnoxious rsoles...  >:(

Sorry, but I do not agree with that at all.

It's the same as some do with the unemployed... have a bad experience or
a clash with one, and the lot get tarred with the same brush.

The overwhelming majority of the cyclists (in my town at any rate) are nothing
like this stereotype many of you seem to have about cyclists.

The real villains, cyclist-wise, are the kids and teens/young adults on clapped-out
and dangerous BMX and MTB bikes which shouldn't be on the road at all due to
safety concerns, not the average 'mature' rider.

Makes sense... someone riding a bike worth thousands of dollars (up to $20k for
some) isn't going to want to lose that by crashing it or doing something stupid.

The brat or late-teen on a pile of junk with no lights or brakes has no such qualms.

Rider wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 7:18am:

Kat wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:46am: Rider wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:16pm: Kat wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:07pm: Rider wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:02pm: You don't filter up the left of a left indicating/turning vehicle, that is clearly dumb, and is in breach of the road rules in Vic. Any other time is OK. Infact, encouraged as it gets you to the 'bike box' at the front of the lane, from where you have priority to commence on the change of lights. Obviously, do your own risk assessment. Once more, for the idiot who turned up late... He wasn't turning. Cyclists can legally pass on the left. It is an offence to open a car door in a manner to cause obstruction or an accident/ She broke no laws. He did. The Vict-whorian police agree. Get it right, and read the previous posts before commenting. Or p1ss off. Take a pill and keep your stupidity in check. Just stated the rules, making no comment on the event which occurred as I can see she/he broke no law. Oh, and thicko, i'm a tad pro cycling...given i regularly do upwards of 450k's a week.... And got them wrong. I've posted the Vic laws several times in this thread, pretty-much direct quotes from the Vic gunse...er, police. You then get them wrong, then slag me off and call me a 'thicko' when I re-post them? Maybe I could have been more tactful but I've found that carries little weight here. No, sorry. Can't work that one out. And I, also, ride daily, both for fun and for transport, around 150 km/week plus on average (it's a small country town of 25,000, not a big city). Left turning vehicle Rule: A bike rider must not ride on the left side of a vehicle that is indicating left and turning at an intersection. Tip: Stay in the traffic lane behind the turning vehicle. Let's start again thicko....I'm not actually disagreeing with you  ;D When I said he/she broke no rules I was referring to the cyclist. Not the fat slobs who got out of the cab, it is easy to see they are male. I will type slower in future thicko so you may have a better chance to understand.

That's three times now that you've called me a 'thicko' for pointing-out that the car
was not turning, and that filtering up the LHS is legal for bicycles?

No, still can't work that one out.

Maybe the 'thicko' epithet could be better applied to the geese who made the rules
and who create inadequate bike infrastructure, rather than to someone who's merely
reiterating what the rules actually state.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 4:19pm:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:49pm: Oh wow. Poofter innuendo. What a smacking dim witted tool. Well, you stand on men in tight clothing does invite "poofter" connotations. Straight men dont care what other men wear.

I didn't even mention men Dr dim wit.

::)

Channeling faggots much Dr Dim?

::) ;D ;D ;D ;D

The legalities of what the cyclist did doesn't matter. In my opinion it's idiotic, dangerous & lacks common sense.

I've oft used the cliche, "you can't legislate for idiots"

It seems you can ::)

I still have no sympathy for her. In my estimation she's wrong.

woody2014 wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:16am: True Blue... wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:57am: SOB here's the incident... (unlike stupid billy's utube) http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-urged-to-charge-passenger-after-cyclist-cardoored-in-cbd-20140318-34zr2.html and no... if I was that guy I wouldn't have been expecting some utter knucklehead to be belting up the inside of the car when traffic was stopped... I thought the same thing when I first saw it, but then I realised that she was in a marked cycle lane. He should have checked or at the very least the taxi driver should have checked the mirrors and warned the passenger to not open the doors. There is no dedicated bike lane on the part of Collins Street where the crash happened. ‘‘Cyclists are free to use Collins Street if they wish however this is not a dedicated bike lane,’’ the City of Melbourne said in a statement. ;) ;)

bump     [highlight]however this is not a dedicated bike lane,’’ the City of Melbourne said in a statement.

woody2014 wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 10:41am:

woody2014 wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:20am: John Smith wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:16am: True Blue... wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:57am: SOB here's the incident... (unlike stupid billy's utube) http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-urged-to-charge-passenger-after-cyclist-cardoored-in-cbd-20140318-34zr2.html and no... if I was that guy I wouldn't have been expecting some utter knucklehead to be belting up the inside of the car when traffic was stopped... I thought the same thing when I first saw it, but then I realised that she was in a marked cycle lane. He should have checked or at the very least the taxi driver should have checked the mirrors and warned the passenger to not open the doors. There is no dedicated bike lane on the part of Collins Street where the crash happened. ‘‘Cyclists are free to use Collins Street if they wish however this is not a dedicated bike lane,’’ the City of Melbourne said in a statement. ;) ;) bump     [highlight]however this is not a dedicated bike lane,’’ the City of Melbourne said in a statement.

The area it occurred is more of a nightmare since the super tramstop was built........there's now only one lane for other traffic and the place where cyclists are permitted to ride along the kerbside is far too narrow. It appears from the video that the taxi driver moved as close as he could to the left of his lane to permit departure of his passengers and this left too little room for the cyclist to avoid the opening door.

Would the incident have been avoided if the taxi driver had put on his left hand indicator???? Perhaps.  Should the cyclist have anticipated departure of passengers since the taxi was stopped left of other traffic in the lane??? Perhaps.

The only way I can envisage widening of the kerbside lane is by reconstructing the kerb further left and thus reducing the width of the footpath. Like it or not, cyclists in the CBD are here to stay. Don't get me wrong, there are idiot cyclists and idiot drivers and no amount of sound infrastructure will eliminate all instances of "dooring"......   

whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away.

sherri wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 6:51am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:54am: Oh what compassion. So now nobody should ride bikes? Didnt your mother teach you to look before you open a car door? I saw a car door taken off by another car in front of a hospital in townsville once. Nobody was hurt but they could have been. SOB Look, I saw the footage of that incident and I saw the so called bike lane. Seriously, it is only about a foot wide and right up against the gutter. Those men were in a taxi that had pulled up to the side of the road to let them out. So they were getting out. It is perfectly possible they had no idea there was a little section there where bikes could go. I would not have had! When a taxi pulls over, you assume you can get out. The incident was not deliberate and in fact those men could potentially have been hurt more than that cyclist. Having said that, if I opened a door and hit someone, I would help them up and say sorry, I didn't see you. But I thought the cyclist was very aggressive too. demanding they hand over details. I would not have handed over my name and address either. And if I were a cyclist, riding in the city, and saw a taxi stopped ahead of me-would I thunder past on the left side, on my bike? Nope. Someone here mentioned the council stated the little section next to the path is not an official designated bike lane. It sure does not look like it as I have never seen one in such a location, on the left of where a car would park. The ones I have seen are all on the right of the parking lane. It would be a stupid spot on the left as drivers and passengers are used to checking the right side of a car before alighting, but not the kerb side. I think the cyclist, even if it turns out she was technically in the 'right' needs to wake up and show a bit more caution.

My post was to the person that said he hates all bicycle riders

SOB

ian wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away.

Yes.......concede I should have included that in my previous post.

Alinta wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:01pm: whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away. Yes.......concede I should have included that in my previous post.

Quote:

Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out.

Yes for other pedestrians maybe not a bike rider.

If she had been riding down the footpath toward or from behind me & I heard/saw her coming I'd be tempted to coat hanger her off her bike.  >:(

ian wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away.

utter crap... I don't even know why I answer your post sometimes...

who on earth looks for traffic when getting out the left side of a car?  ::)

ian wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away.

Most people do not expect to have to be looking BEHIND when they are opening the door against a kerb, ian -  It's one thing to look outisde the door - but what sane person would expect someone to try to push a bicycle up such a narrow non-lane against a gutter when a cab has just stopped?

Al Capone got twenty years for tax EVASION - just because the Guv here merely takes it out of your hide without prosecuting you doesn't mean it's legal..

Quote:

Motorists who are filmed driving within a metre of cyclists could face $330 fines under new laws being trialled in Queensland next month. Motorists could also lose three points from their licence

what a load of smacking bull(*&%^  >:(

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:01pm: whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away. Most people do not expect to have to be looking BEHIND when they are opening the door against a kerb, ian -  It's one thing to look outisde the door - but what sane person would expect someone to try to push a bicycle up such a narrow non-lane against a gutter when a cab has just stopped? Al Capone got twenty years for tax EVASION - just because the Guv here merely takes it out of your hide without prosecuting you doesn't mean it's legal..

My thoughts exactly.
I would say the passenger got an almighty fright, too.

My daughter was travelling up Beach road on the weekend, said bikes there were travelling 6 abreast, taking up one entire traffic lane. Now that is just getting ridiculous. In a case like that, how can you not drive within a metre, without going over to the wrong side of the road?

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae269/oldpom/cyc.jpg

True Blue... wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 7:02pm:

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae269/oldpom/cyc.jpg

We will NOT comply, and they could never enforce it.

For one thing, both the administration and the enforcement costs would be prohibitive.

And it's a dumb idea born of vindictiveness, not necessity.

True Blue... wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 6:20pm:

[ who on earth looks for traffic when getting out the left side of a car?  ::)

anyone who isnt an idiot?. what about pedestrians? Why wouldnt you look?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:01pm: whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away. Most people do not expect to have to be looking BEHIND when they are opening the door against a kerb, ian -  It's one thing to look outisde the door - but what sane person would expect someone to try to push a bicycle up such a narrow non-lane against a gutter when a cab has just stopped? Al Capone got twenty years for tax EVASION - just because the Guv here merely takes it out of your hide without prosecuting you doesn't mean it's legal..

it wasnt against a kerb. If it was the cyclist wouldnt have got doored. You people just make stuff up to suit your argument. The taxi passenger was in the wrong.

Gnads wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 6:13pm:

Alinta wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 1:22pm: ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:01pm: whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away. Yes.......concede I should have included that in my previous post. Quote: Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. Yes for other pedestrians maybe not a bike rider. If she had been riding down the footpath toward or from behind me & I heard/saw her coming I'd be tempted to coat hanger her off her bike.  >:(

Anyone who tried that on with me would want to know a proctologist and a good orthodontist.

And a lawyer.

Oh - sorry about the early confusion - I thought the doree was a Doorian (Grey?) and not a Doreen.. seems she was a Dooreen and not a Doorian...after all...

ian wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 8:04pm:

Al Capone got twenty years for tax EVASION - just because the Guv here merely takes it out of your hide without prosecuting you doesn't mean it's legal..

it wasnt against a kerb. If it was the cyclist wouldnt have got doored. You people just make stuff up to suit your argument. The taxi passenger was in the wrong.
[/quote]


Door 'em all - let GOD sort 'em out!

For a wealthy man your use of English is pretty poor.... trying to evade the discussion on tax evasion?

**hammers another hide on the barnyard door**...

Kat wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

True Blue... wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:02pm: http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae269/oldpom/cyc.jpg We will NOT comply, and they could never enforce it. For one thing, both the administration and the enforcement costs would be prohibitive. And it's a dumb idea born of vindictiveness, not necessity.

Saves lives though - and a few doored cyclists.... just saying..

I have a blind van and I am going to install a camera that allows me to see down that side....

(heh, heh - that way I can line 'em up good and' proper!  ;D.. might see about remote controlled swinging doors with a sight that will enable accurate swinging)

ian wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away.

Point acknowledged. But the bike rider has to concede that she shouldn't have rode up the inside of the stopping taxi. It's reasonable to assume that a passenger wouldn't think that a cyclist would ride along the gutter side of the taxi.

True Blue... wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 7:02pm:

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae269/oldpom/cyc.jpg

I wonder who funded that poll? Perhaps some weight loss company looking to discourage people from riding their bikes, and getting more clients?

The financial benefits of riding your bicycle around are just as important as the physical. I think it's just ridiculous that drivers are out there with an entitlement attitude to the road, when realistically, they should only use the road when necessary. Use the road to get where you are going, and then get off. None of this showing off your V6 cars "doing laps around the suburbs" poo. So sick of having to wait for traffic on my way to work, just because some airheads think that they need to drive their cars to the shops down the road or pick up their able bodied and responsibly minded teenagers that don't want to do a 2km walk/bike ride home.

Its just common sense to look before you open a car door or cross a street (even a one way street). Its even common sense to look before walking out of a building into a crowded footpath. Seriously - why not just look first?

SOB

Hey TG you could go here
http://veloink.com/

Everytime you score you put another sticker on the side of your van.

Is your van a Toyota, the bike riders could say "Oh what a feeling" as they crash to the ground.

(no bike riders were hurt during the production of this post)

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 4:10am:

Its just common sense to look before you open a car door or cross a street (even a one way street). Its even common sense to look before walking out of a building into a crowded footpath. Seriously - why not just look first?

Well, I wouldn't be surprised that the passenger did look. But your peripheral vision can only do so much, and you wouldn't expect to have some cyclist riding in the gutter. I'm satisfied the passenger wasn't liable.

I rode my mountain bike through a shopping center car park at no considerable excessive speed. An old lady and her daughter decided to walk out onto the road without even a hint that they were looking either way for traffic. They got in my way, and I made the decision to ride behind them (thus giving both a bit of a scare). The younger lady exclaimed dismissively "Kids on bikes...". I swear, I must have been (at 25 years of age then) the oldest and biggest looking kid ever since the time Dad discovered Mario Bros on nintendo. I was going to go back and give a piece of my mind to the apparent senile ladies, but I would assume that it would have fallen on deaf ears.

(double post)

ian wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

True Blue... wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:20pm: [ who on earth looks for traffic when getting out the left side of a car?  ::) anyone who isnt an idiot?. what about pedestrians? Why wouldnt you look?

What makes you think the passenger didn't look out the window before he got out? Most people do glance first, but what he didn't do is swivel his head and look behind the taxi, for the simple reason he wasn't expecting moving traffic coming along on the kerb side.


ian wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 8:04pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:34pm: ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:01pm: whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away. Most people do not expect to have to be looking BEHIND when they are opening the door against a kerb, ian -  It's one thing to look outisde the door - but what sane person would expect someone to try to push a bicycle up such a narrow non-lane against a gutter when a cab has just stopped? Al Capone got twenty years for tax EVASION - just because the Guv here merely takes it out of your hide without prosecuting you doesn't mean it's legal.. it wasnt against a kerb. If it was the cyclist wouldnt have got doored. You people just make stuff up to suit your argument. The taxi passenger was in the wrong.

It was pretty darn close to that kerb!! I saw it on TV and I think any passenger in a car would have looked out and assumed it was kerbside. I have seen plenty of cars parked that far out from a kerb. Just because a cyclist could squeeze past doesn't mean the passenger was expecting one to. Most people wouldn't.
The cyclist could have used a little bit of initiative here. She was behind the parked taxi so she could definitely see it. If you saw a taxi pulled over, with people inside, (or any car with people inside) and you were hoping to ride past within much less than a metre of the car, would you not slow down, just in case?

sherri wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 6:32am:

ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:02pm: True Blue... wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:20pm: [ who on earth looks for traffic when getting out the left side of a car?  ::) anyone who isnt an idiot?. what about pedestrians? Why wouldnt you look? What makes you think the passenger didn't look out the window before he got out? Most people do glance first, but what he didn't do is swivel his head and look behind the taxi, for the simple reason he wasn't expecting moving traffic coming along on the kerb side. ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:04pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:34pm: ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:01pm: whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away. Most people do not expect to have to be looking BEHIND when they are opening the door against a kerb, ian -  It's one thing to look outisde the door - but what sane person would expect someone to try to push a bicycle up such a narrow non-lane against a gutter when a cab has just stopped? Al Capone got twenty years for tax EVASION - just because the Guv here merely takes it out of your hide without prosecuting you doesn't mean it's legal.. it wasnt against a kerb. If it was the cyclist wouldnt have got doored. You people just make stuff up to suit your argument. The taxi passenger was in the wrong. It was pretty darn close to that kerb!! I saw it on TV and I think any passenger in a car would have looked out and assumed it was kerbside. I have seen plenty of cars parked that far out from a kerb. Just because a cyclist could squeeze past doesn't mean the passenger was expecting one to. Most people wouldn't. The cyclist could have used a little bit of initiative here. She was behind the parked taxi so she could definitely see it. If you saw a taxi pulled over, with people inside, (or any car with people inside) and you were hoping to ride past within much less than a metre of the car, would you not slow down, just in case?

How much time do you think the cyclist had to assess the situation? They thought they were in the bicycle lane so why would anything like that happen?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 6:39am:

sherri wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 6:32am: ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:02pm: True Blue... wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:20pm: [ who on earth looks for traffic when getting out the left side of a car?  ::) anyone who isnt an idiot?. what about pedestrians? Why wouldnt you look? What makes you think the passenger didn't look out the window before he got out? Most people do glance first, but what he didn't do is swivel his head and look behind the taxi, for the simple reason he wasn't expecting moving traffic coming along on the kerb side. ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:04pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:34pm: ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:01pm: whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away. Most people do not expect to have to be looking BEHIND when they are opening the door against a kerb, ian -  It's one thing to look outisde the door - but what sane person would expect someone to try to push a bicycle up such a narrow non-lane against a gutter when a cab has just stopped? Al Capone got twenty years for tax EVASION - just because the Guv here merely takes it out of your hide without prosecuting you doesn't mean it's legal.. it wasnt against a kerb. If it was the cyclist wouldnt have got doored. You people just make stuff up to suit your argument. The taxi passenger was in the wrong. It was pretty darn close to that kerb!! I saw it on TV and I think any passenger in a car would have looked out and assumed it was kerbside. I have seen plenty of cars parked that far out from a kerb. Just because a cyclist could squeeze past doesn't mean the passenger was expecting one to. Most people wouldn't. The cyclist could have used a little bit of initiative here. She was behind the parked taxi so she could definitely see it. If you saw a taxi pulled over, with people inside, (or any car with people inside) and you were hoping to ride past within much less than a metre of the car, would you not slow down, just in case? How much time do you think the cyclist had to assess the situation? They thought they were in the bicycle lane so why would anything like that happen? SOB

It turns out she thought wrong though, didn't she? It wasn't a dedicated bike lane as such. And why wouldn't she be aware that such things can happen?
How much time did she have to assess the situation? Well, taxi drivers are usually paid once they pull over, so I would say it had to be at least several seconds.
If you are a bike rider and in the city, you would need to be extra alert for traffic, that is just the reality of it. What you are implying is that because she thought she was in a bike lane, she felt she could continue on without slackening pace. In the same way, the passenger thought he was in a safe place, next to the kerb.
She saw them but didn't think to slow down or practice any caution, so she needs to shoulder some blame.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/bmw-worker-sparks-fury-after-suggesting-drivers-start-dooring-cyclists-and-post-videos-on-social-media/story-fni0fit3-1226860317759

Have posted this link only because there is video footage not related to the article heading and may be useful for those not familiar with the area where the incident occurred.

Kat wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 8:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:13pm: Alinta wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 1:22pm: ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:01pm: whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away. Yes.......concede I should have included that in my previous post. Quote: Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. Yes for other pedestrians maybe not a bike rider. If she had been riding down the footpath toward or from behind me & I heard/saw her coming I'd be tempted to coat hanger her off her bike.  >:( Anyone who tried that on with me would want to know a proctologist and a good orthodontist. And a lawyer.

Really? If I coat hangered you off your bike you wouldn't be doing much. Now the orthodontist may be something you'd need & I'd expect you'd consult a Lawyer...... But the proctologist is a worrying aspect....... Are you that way inclined?  ;D

That aside I think ignorant bike riders on busy footpaths in the
CBD all deserve coat hangering. Just like that Sheila deserved to be doored.

If she was road conscious then she should have been prepared for such an event going up the inside.

Hypothetical....If they bought the 1 mtr rule in like proposed for QLD.... Who would be in breach then?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 6:39am:

sherri wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 6:32am: ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:02pm: True Blue... wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:20pm: [ who on earth looks for traffic when getting out the left side of a car?  ::) anyone who isnt an idiot?. what about pedestrians? Why wouldnt you look? What makes you think the passenger didn't look out the window before he got out? Most people do glance first, but what he didn't do is swivel his head and look behind the taxi, for the simple reason he wasn't expecting moving traffic coming along on the kerb side. ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:04pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:34pm: ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:01pm: whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away. Most people do not expect to have to be looking BEHIND when they are opening the door against a kerb, ian -  It's one thing to look outisde the door - but what sane person would expect someone to try to push a bicycle up such a narrow non-lane against a gutter when a cab has just stopped? Al Capone got twenty years for tax EVASION - just because the Guv here merely takes it out of your hide without prosecuting you doesn't mean it's legal.. it wasnt against a kerb. If it was the cyclist wouldnt have got doored. You people just make stuff up to suit your argument. The taxi passenger was in the wrong. It was pretty darn close to that kerb!! I saw it on TV and I think any passenger in a car would have looked out and assumed it was kerbside. I have seen plenty of cars parked that far out from a kerb. Just because a cyclist could squeeze past doesn't mean the passenger was expecting one to. Most people wouldn't. The cyclist could have used a little bit of initiative here. She was behind the parked taxi so she could definitely see it. If you saw a taxi pulled over, with people inside, (or any car with people inside) and you were hoping to ride past within much less than a metre of the car, would you not slow down, just in case? How much time do you think the cyclist had to assess the situation? They thought they were in the bicycle lane so why would anything like that happen? SOB

I get it - if you ride in a bicycle lane which is against the gutter and a cab pulls over, you just assume that you have right of way over a mass of steel opening in your face?

And you are entitled to simply throw all caution and reason to the winds and say - "But I'm in the bike lane!"

So the next time a passing semi blows three tyres and is forced to swing to the side of the road - you refuse to give way....

That's brilliant Rube....

It seems to me that the problem is that cyclists do not wish to share the road and want it run to suit them only - unfortunately the world doesn't run that way...

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If you see the vision, the cab didn't pull over, it indicated at the same time as the door swung open. It remained clearly in the line of traffic - so very much a mixed message to the cyclist.

To me, the cab occupants made a snap decision to exit, and they didn't expect or see the cyclist. Unfortunate but the cab occupants have erred. And they know it, one at least has fronted up and apologised.

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 5:44am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 4:10am: Its just common sense to look before you open a car door or cross a street (even a one way street). Its even common sense to look before walking out of a building into a crowded footpath. Seriously - why not just look first? Well, I wouldn't be surprised that the passenger did look. But your peripheral vision can only do so much, and you wouldn't expect to have some cyclist riding in the gutter. I'm satisfied the passenger wasn't liable. I rode my mountain bike through a shopping center car park at no considerable excessive speed. An old lady and her daughter decided to walk out onto the road without even a hint that they were looking either way for traffic. They got in my way, and I made the decision to ride behind them (thus giving both a bit of a scare). The younger lady exclaimed dismissively "Kids on bikes...". I swear, I must have been (at 25 years of age then) the oldest and biggest looking kid ever since the time Dad discovered Mario Bros on nintendo. I was going to go back and give a piece of my mind to the apparent senile ladies, but I would assume that it would have fallen on deaf ears.

Actually i'd be expecting cyclists everywhere. Its normal, people ride bikes, they ain't riding camels or something  ;D ;D

Rider wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:35am:

If you see the vision, the cab didn't pull over, it indicated at the same time as the door swung open. It remained clearly in the line of traffic - so very much a mixed message to the cyclist. To me, the cab occupants made a snap decision to exit, and they didn't expect or see the cyclist. Unfortunate but the cab occupants have erred. And they know it, one at least has fronted up and apologised.

Sounds reasonable - people often make a snap judgement and don't anticipate such things as a cyclist right there.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:04am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 6:39am: sherri wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 6:32am: ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:02pm: True Blue... wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:20pm: [ who on earth looks for traffic when getting out the left side of a car?  ::) anyone who isnt an idiot?. what about pedestrians? Why wouldnt you look? What makes you think the passenger didn't look out the window before he got out? Most people do glance first, but what he didn't do is swivel his head and look behind the taxi, for the simple reason he wasn't expecting moving traffic coming along on the kerb side. ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:04pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:34pm: ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:01pm: whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away. Most people do not expect to have to be looking BEHIND when they are opening the door against a kerb, ian -  It's one thing to look outisde the door - but what sane person would expect someone to try to push a bicycle up such a narrow non-lane against a gutter when a cab has just stopped? Al Capone got twenty years for tax EVASION - just because the Guv here merely takes it out of your hide without prosecuting you doesn't mean it's legal.. it wasnt against a kerb. If it was the cyclist wouldnt have got doored. You people just make stuff up to suit your argument. The taxi passenger was in the wrong. It was pretty darn close to that kerb!! I saw it on TV and I think any passenger in a car would have looked out and assumed it was kerbside. I have seen plenty of cars parked that far out from a kerb. Just because a cyclist could squeeze past doesn't mean the passenger was expecting one to. Most people wouldn't. The cyclist could have used a little bit of initiative here. She was behind the parked taxi so she could definitely see it. If you saw a taxi pulled over, with people inside, (or any car with people inside) and you were hoping to ride past within much less than a metre of the car, would you not slow down, just in case? How much time do you think the cyclist had to assess the situation? They thought they were in the bicycle lane so why would anything like that happen? SOB I get it - if you ride in a bicycle lane which is against the gutter and a cab pulls over, you just assume that you have right of way over a mass of steel opening in your face? And you are entitled to simply throw all caution and reason to the winds and say - "But I'm in the bike lane!" So the next time a passing semi blows three tyres and is forced to swing to the side of the road - you refuse to give way.... That's brilliant Rube.... It seems to me that the problem is that cyclists do not wish to share the road and want it run to suit them only - unfortunately the world doesn't run that way... http://codgerville.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/lastgreatactofdefiance-1.gif

Well actually it does since the cyclist was technically in the right and the person from the cab in the wrong according to our laws. So which world were you referring to "rube" . . . . .?

SOB

Well - it was not a bike lane and there are multiple factors at work here - which points to a need to change 'laws' in this case.

Opening a door facing a gutter is not a situation in which that door is not opened safely - every person has a reasonable expectation that such a situation is safe.

This is where 'laws' come unstuck - they seek to cover all situations where many arise in which they clearly cannot do so.

Multiple factors:-

the rider failed to keep a safe lookout

failed to ride defensively taking into account the situation

the occupant did not look behind

multiple factors are in play...

I'll try this:-

Last year I was driving on a narrow windy dirt road - and was VERY careful - since I did not know the road - to keep well to the left on corners.  sure enough - a local lad in a red ute (is there any other kind?) came howling around one blind corner on the wrong side of the road - and only because of my careful prior consideration of that possibility and my fast reactions was I able to head into the 'gutter' - 'go bush' to avoid a headon at considerable speed.

It's called situational awareness - and is something that bike riders should be taught before they are licensed..... as they so obviously need to be.  Anticipate - be in front of your aircraft at all times - not playing catch-up - and always assume the other person is dumb.

Sorry for the 'rube' comment - I just like poking a finger atcha sometimes...

Forgiven?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 11:19am:

Sorry for the 'rube' comment - I just like poking a finger atcha sometimes... Forgiven?

I dont even know what it meant haha

SOB

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 11:17am:

Well - it was not a bike lane and there are multiple factors at work here - which points to a need to change 'laws' in this case.Opening a door facing a gutter is not a situation in which that door is not opened safely - every person has a reasonable expectation that such a situation is safe.This is where 'laws' come unstuck - they seek to cover all situations where many arise in which they clearly cannot do so.Multiple factors:-the rider failed to keep a safe lookoutfailed to ride defensively taking into account the situationthe occupant did not look behindmultiple factors are in play...

Yes, well stated.......

Gnads wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 9:50am:

Kat wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:06pm: Gnads wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:13pm: Alinta wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 1:22pm: ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:01pm: whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away. Yes.......concede I should have included that in my previous post. Quote: Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. Yes for other pedestrians maybe not a bike rider. If she had been riding down the footpath toward or from behind me & I heard/saw her coming I'd be tempted to coat hanger her off her bike.  >:( Anyone who tried that on with me would want to know a proctologist and a good orthodontist. And a lawyer. Really? If I coat hangered you off your bike you wouldn't be doing much. Now the orthodontist may be something you'd need & I'd expect you'd consult a Lawyer...... But the proctologist is a worrying aspect....... Are you that way inclined?  ;D That aside I think ignorant bike riders on busy footpaths in the CBD all deserve coat hangering. Just like that Sheila deserved to be doored. If she was road conscious then she should have been prepared for such an event going up the inside. Hypothetical....If they bought the 1 mtr rule in like proposed for QLD.... Who would be in breach then?

You would need him to find your teeth.

See, I don't take being wantonly assaulted for no reason very well, and I do tend to reply in kind.

And I'd also be pressing charges. You can bank on that.

Kat wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 8:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:13pm: Alinta wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 1:22pm: ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:01pm: whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away. Yes.......concede I should have included that in my previous post. Quote: Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. Yes for other pedestrians maybe not a bike rider. If she had been riding down the footpath toward or from behind me & I heard/saw her coming I'd be tempted to coat hanger her off her bike.  >:( Anyone who tried that on with me would want to know a proctologist and a good orthodontist. And a lawyer.

Sounds as though you enjoy kissing arse and want the lawyer to get you off the charge....you're full of it!

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Story time:-- Bloke told me this....

A skateboarding kid was scooting down a crowded suburban footpath and terrorising old people - one old guy with one of those aluminium arm supported stick things saw him coming and raised his stick like a crusader with a lance, planted firmly and aimed, and pinned the little rat off his board.

I spent three years on a walking stick not that long ago post XXXX and in considerable pain walking - very slowly.  It is amazing how quickly you see what it is like for anyone old and slow in such situations - very threatening.  Even crossing the road is threatening with traffic apparently racing at you when you know you don't have the speed to get out of the way in the event of either stupid of malicious driving by the driver.

So I can understand the old guy's stance here.....

Moral is that people moving faster need to be aware that their speed and sudden appearance is threatening to others (I drive a courtesy bus and in a certain caravan park there are always complaints it is too fast - the caravans are very close to the road so I appear suddenly at idling speed and to them that is 'too fast', Capisce?  It's all in the perception not the fact)- and so to the pushbike and the fisticuffs argument above.

It is normal to feel defensive when someone seems to be aiming at you and coming at speed - therefore 'coat hangering' etc might easily be a defensive response in such a situation..

Riders and skateboarders be advised.  Ride in an intimidating manner and you can expect retaliation even if you don't think you are being aggressive - it is still your actions that are aggressive.

Share the road, etc!

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:43am:

Rider wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 10:35am: If you see the vision, the cab didn't pull over, it indicated at the same time as the door swung open. It remained clearly in the line of traffic - so very much a mixed message to the cyclist. To me, the cab occupants made a snap decision to exit, and they didn't expect or see the cyclist. Unfortunate but the cab occupants have erred. And they know it, one at least has fronted up and apologised. Sounds reasonable - people often make a snap judgement and don't anticipate such things as a cyclist right there.

True indeed, errors of judgement are made, thats life. As a cyclist if i wanted a 'safe' hobby I'd take up chess. I know the risks, I'm currently convalescing from my last 'incident'  :-[

Kat wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 12:18pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:50am: Kat wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:06pm: Gnads wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:13pm: Alinta wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 1:22pm: ian wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:01pm: whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away. Yes.......concede I should have included that in my previous post. Quote: Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. Yes for other pedestrians maybe not a bike rider. If she had been riding down the footpath toward or from behind me & I heard/saw her coming I'd be tempted to coat hanger her off her bike.  >:( Anyone who tried that on with me would want to know a proctologist and a good orthodontist. And a lawyer. Really? If I coat hangered you off your bike you wouldn't be doing much. Now the orthodontist may be something you'd need & I'd expect you'd consult a Lawyer...... But the proctologist is a worrying aspect....... Are you that way inclined?  ;D That aside I think ignorant bike riders on busy footpaths in the CBD all deserve coat hangering. Just like that Sheila deserved to be doored. If she was road conscious then she should have been prepared for such an event going up the inside. Hypothetical....If they bought the 1 mtr rule in like proposed for QLD.... Who would be in breach then? You would need him to find your teeth. See, I don't take being wantonly assaulted for no reason very well, and I do tend to reply in kind. And I'd also be pressing charges. You can bank on that.

Wouldn't be much point in pressing charges if you were capable of returning the assault..... Now would there? Especially if you inflicted the kind of damage your inner keyboard warrior is suggesting.

I don't take too kindly to ignorant bike riders on footpaths. You' on a footpath with a bike make sure you're walking it.  ;)

Please - can we settle this like gentle persons?  Shoot each other - but no fisticuffs!

(always had me a hankering after shooting a bike rider.. ever since I saw the Black Widows take on Grannie in Every Which Way But Loose )....

Handbags at 10 paces

ian wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 1:14am:

Handbags at 10 paces

Oooh - you bwute!