'Dr Dhanuson Dharmasena, 31, is from Whittington Hospital, north London.

Concerns were raised about a birth in hospital's maternity unit in 2012.

It is alleged he carried out the procedure helped by Hasan Mohamed, 40.

Doctor qualified in London in 2005 with a bachelor's degree in surgery.
The charges are first ever brought under the Female Genital Mutilation Act.

Prosecutors have dropped four other cases due to insufficient evidence.
FGM criminalised in 1985 and is thought to have happened to 66,000 in UK'.

Are these two conscientious Muslims going to be deported? Of course not.

Will he be de-registered from practising? Of course not.

They'll be released back into the community where the doctor will be more careful to perform these barbarities under circumstances in which 'insufficient evidence' will keep him out of jail.


'Strength Through Diversity'.

'Proudly Multicultural'.

link

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 5:36am:

'Dr Dhanuson Dharmasena, 31, is from Whittington Hospital, north London. Concerns were raised about a birth in hospital's maternity unit in 2012. It is alleged he carried out the procedure helped by Hasan Mohamed, 40. Doctor qualified in London in 2005 with a bachelor's degree in surgery. The charges are first ever brought under the Female Genital Mutilation Act. Prosecutors have dropped four other cases due to insufficient evidence. FGM criminalised in 1985 and is thought to have happened to 66,000 in UK'. Are these two conscientious Muslims going to be deported? Of course not. They'll be released back into the community where the doctor will be more careful to perform these barbarities under circumstances in which 'insufficient evidence' will keep him out of jail. 'Strength Through Diversity'. 'Proudly Multicultural'.

Don't you get tired of thinking about division?

Winston Smith wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 5:40am:

Don't you get tired of thinking about division?

Don't you get tired of reading about it, when you don't have to?

I get tired of politicians who prefer to ignore the elephant in the room as being inconvenient to deal with during their political life-time, and who much prefer that the cultural and societal damage from importing these highly incompatible aliens be dealt with by future generations of politician.

That really is a highly irresponsible, cowardly, and lazy attitude on the part of Western politicians for which future generations of our own people will be suffering the fall-out.

But that's all 'in the future' for people with your attitude, isn't it, Winston?

Comfortably complacency because the time has not yet arrived when the percentage of Muslims in the community will become a worry even to the politically correct, such as yourself.

You'd far prefer that people such as myself and freediver, Larry Pickering, Pat Condell, Melanie Phillips, Geert Wilders, et al simply roll over in bed and go to sleep, and stop upsetting your comfortable world in which political correctness is a substitute for moral cowardice.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 6:07am:

Winston Smith wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:40am: Don't you get tired of thinking about division? Don't you get tired of reading about it, when you don't have to? I get tired of politicians who prefer to ignore the elephant in the room as being inconvenient to deal with during their political life-time, and who much prefer that the cultural and societal damage from importing these highly incompatible aliens be dealt with by future generations of politician. That really is a highly irresponsible, cowardly, and lazy attitude on the part of Western politicians for which future generations of our own people will be suffering the fall-out. But that's all 'in the future' for people with your attitude, isn't it, Winston? Comfortably complacency because the time has not yet arrived when the percentage of Muslims in the community will become a worry even to the politically correct, such as yourself. You'd far prefer that people such as myself and freediver, Larry Pickering, Pat Condell, Melanie Phillips, Geert Wilders, et al simply roll over in bed and go to sleep, and stop upsetting your comfortable world in which political correctness is a substitute for moral cowardice.

What are you afraid of Herbert?

If the doctor had deviated out of hospital norms or hasn't followed policies and procedures then of course he should be investigated and reprimanded.

That's why in Aus we have the health care complaints commission and various health registrations to look at staff who have broken the rules or has deviated out of acceptable norms.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 6:07am:

Winston Smith wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:40am: Don't you get tired of thinking about division? Don't you get tired of reading about it, when you don't have to? I get tired of politicians who prefer to ignore the elephant in the room as being inconvenient to deal with during their political life-time, and who much prefer that the cultural and societal damage from importing these highly incompatible aliens be dealt with by future generations of politician. That really is a highly irresponsible, cowardly, and lazy attitude on the part of Western politicians for which future generations of our own people will be suffering the fall-out. But that's all 'in the future' for people with your attitude, isn't it, Winston? Comfortably complacency because the time has not yet arrived when the percentage of Muslims in the community will become a worry even to the politically correct, such as yourself. You'd far prefer that people such as myself and freediver, Larry Pickering, Pat Condell, Melanie Phillips, Geert Wilders, et al simply roll over in bed and go to sleep, and stop upsetting your comfortable world in which political correctness is a substitute for moral cowardice.

Does that mean that Osama bin ladin should be listened to and respected to aswell?

Winston do you support FGM?

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 8:24am:

Winston do you support FGM?

What would it entail?

FGM typically entails mutilation of the female genitals. Did you think we were talking about a new pop band or something?

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 9:06am:

FGM typically entails mutilation of the female genitals. Did you think we were talking about a new pop band or something?

I didn't ask what it is.

Winston Smith wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 9:35am:

freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:06am: FGM typically entails mutilation of the female genitals. Did you think we were talking about a new pop band or something? I didn't ask what it is.

You asked "What would it entail?"  'Entail : involve (something) as a necessary or inevitable part or consequence.
"a situation which entails considerable risks"
synonyms:      necessitate, make necessary, require, need, demand, call for....'

Given the above definition the answer fits your question, I don't think that anyone would reasonably think that you were asking what it would entail if you wanted to support FGM.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 10:00am:

Winston Smith wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:35am: freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:06am: FGM typically entails mutilation of the female genitals. Did you think we were talking about a new pop band or something? I didn't ask what it is. You asked "What would it entail?"  'Entail : involve (something) as a necessary or inevitable part or consequence. "a situation which entails considerable risks" synonyms:      necessitate, make necessary, require, need, demand, call for....' Given the above definition the answer fits your question, I don't think that anyone would reasonably think that you were asking what it would entail if you wanted to support FGM.

You're telling the story. What happens next? :-?

Winston Smith wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 5:40am:

Don't you get tired of thinking about division?

Incidentally, Winston, a debating forum's chief characteristic is that the membership is divided on issues.  ::)

I see a problem where (as has happened already) some people take their girls overseas to have the butchery done in places that accept the procedure or don't enforce the laws.
Over time this practice will end but we must do all we can to stop it happening and speed up its end.

Winston Smith wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 10:04am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:00am: Winston Smith wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:35am: freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:06am: FGM typically entails mutilation of the female genitals. Did you think we were talking about a new pop band or something? I didn't ask what it is. You asked "What would it entail?"  'Entail : involve (something) as a necessary or inevitable part or consequence. "a situation which entails considerable risks" synonyms:      necessitate, make necessary, require, need, demand, call for....' Given the above definition the answer fits your question, I don't think that anyone would reasonably think that you were asking what it would entail if you wanted to support FGM. You're telling the story. What happens next? :-?

You realize that you got the answer that you asked for. :)

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 9:06am:

FGM typically entails mutilation of the female genitals. Did you think we were talking about a new pop band or something?

It was done in a hospital using trained people,clean environment,clean cut, proper equipment thus no mutiliation was done.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:05am:

Winston Smith wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:04am: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:00am: Winston Smith wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:35am: freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:06am: FGM typically entails mutilation of the female genitals. Did you think we were talking about a new pop band or something? I didn't ask what it is. You asked "What would it entail?"  'Entail : involve (something) as a necessary or inevitable part or consequence. "a situation which entails considerable risks" synonyms:      necessitate, make necessary, require, need, demand, call for....' Given the above definition the answer fits your question, I don't think that anyone would reasonably think that you were asking what it would entail if you wanted to support FGM. You're telling the story. What happens next? :-? You realize that you got the answer that you asked for. :)

But I didn't.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 10:31am:

Winston Smith wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:40am: Don't you get tired of thinking about division? Incidentally, Winston, a debating forum's chief characteristic is that the membership is divided on issues.  ::)

United we stand, divided we fall. ::)

no, I dont think winston got the answer. FGM can take many forms from a simple cut to a complete removal of the clitoris. wonder how many male children were the victims of MGM. More than 66,000 i bet.

wally1 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:47am:

If the doctor had deviated out of hospital norms or hasn't followed policies and procedures then of course he should be investigated and reprimanded.

'Reprimanded?

May I make a small suggestion?

How about he is given jail time, and then deported?

wally1 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:48am:

Does that mean that Osama bin ladin should be listened to and respected to as well?

Certainly ~ but not after 9/11.

Winston Smith wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 11:31am:

United we stand, divided we fall. ::)

Precisely ... and that's exactly why 'multiculturalism' and the importation of people who are congenital carriers of 'Islam' is a hostile move against the best interests of the host people.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

'Reprimanded? May I make a small suggestion? How about he is given jail time, and then deported?

You have mentioned deporting people quite a bit herbert, and I'm curious as to why you think that would solve the problem.  Surely a society which punishes those who would cause harm to people is better than one where it is (presumably) easier to get away with these kind of things.

Would you rather the perpetrator is imprisoned then monitored so he causes no more harm, or they are sent somewhere where they can continue to commit their crimes with a much lower chance of getting punished for these kind of things?

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:47am: If the doctor had deviated out of hospital norms or hasn't followed policies and procedures then of course he should be investigated and reprimanded. 'Reprimanded? May I make a small suggestion? How about he is given jail time, and then deported?

They would probably put conditions on his registration (example-no more surgery, further education, not to practice alone etc) or take his GP accreditation away from him for alittle while.

wally1 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:25pm: wally1 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:47am: If the doctor had deviated out of hospital norms or hasn't followed policies and procedures then of course he should be investigated and reprimanded. 'Reprimanded? May I make a small suggestion? How about he is given jail time, and then deported? They would probably put conditions on his registration (example-no more surgery, further education, not to practice alone etc) or take his GP accreditation away from him for alittle while.

It would become 'a nice little earner' for him at home in the spare bedroom. Moonlighting to supplement his normal income. A cottage industry.

As a medico he would be only too aware of what these excising operations meant for the future sexual satisfaction for these girls ... damn-near nil enjoyment. Just lie there and think of Pakistan.

He is a monster for having performed these life-changing 'operations'. A veritable Jack the Ripper.

I would have his balls ripped off him by a pitbull terrier and then sold to one of the Pakistani delicatessens as 'sweet-meat'.

And then forcibly jet him off to Pakistan.

Winston, rather than demanding us explain what FGM is to you, then complaining when you are treated like an imbecile, why don't you suggest under what circumstances you would support it?


miketrees wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 10:47am:

I see a problem where (as has happened already) some people take their girls overseas to have the butchery done in places that accept the procedure or don't enforce the laws. Over time this practice will end but we must do all we can to stop it happening and speed up its end.

Sounds 'divisive'. Wouldn't it be better if we tried not to make waves?

wally1 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:25pm: wally1 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:47am: If the doctor had deviated out of hospital norms or hasn't followed policies and procedures then of course he should be investigated and reprimanded. 'Reprimanded? May I make a small suggestion? How about he is given jail time, and then deported? They would probably put conditions on his registration (example-no more surgery, further education, not to practice alone etc) or take his GP accreditation away from him for alittle while.

Walid

Female genital mutilation is barbaric and a criminal offence in Australia that will have you thrown in jail if you perform it or send your kids overseas to have it done.


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Penalties for performing female genital mutilation will increase from 7 to 21 years jail and it will become a crime to have the procedure done overseas. A new offence of removing a person from NSW with the intention of having the procedure performed will also attract a maximum 21 years in jail. Minister for Family and community services Pru Goward said FGM was an abhhorent offence. These changes send the message loud and clear that no matter whether you are the doctor holding the scalpel, or the parent buying the plane ticket, the penalty will be the same www.smh.com.au/nsw/female-genital-mutilation-penalties-tripled-in-nsw-20140205-320gq.html

You should give this news to your Imam.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 12:59pm:

Sounds 'divisive'. Wouldn't it be better if we tried not to make waves?

Touché.

Come on Winston ... let's have one of your habitual one-liners again.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 12:59pm:

Winston, rather than demanding us explain what FGM is to you, then complaining when you are treated like an imbecile, why don't you suggest under what circumstances you would support it?

Winston Smith wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 8:32am:

freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:24am: Winston do you support FGM? What would it entail?

I haven't made demands, my question remains unanswered.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 1:09pm:

Quote: Penalties for performing female genital mutilation will increase from 7 to 21 years jail and it will become a crime to have the procedure done overseas. A new offence of removing a person from NSW with the intention of having the procedure performed will also attract a maximum 21 years in jail. Minister for Family and community services Pru Goward said FGM was an abhhorent offence. These changes send the message loud and clear that no matter whether you are the doctor holding the scalpel, or the parent buying the plane ticket, the penalty will be the same www.smh.com.au/nsw/female-genital-mutilation-penalties-tripled-in-nsw-20140205-320gq.html You should give this news to your Imam.

Does anyone really believe those penalties will be handed out in court?

Of course they won't be.

The Useful Idiots who sit as judges and magistrates in our courts will be finding every excuse possible to give these monsters the most minimal sentences possible.

When found, these girls should be given every assistance possible in restoring them to as they were before they became victims of Islamic cultural tradition. 

Winston Smith wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 1:14pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:59pm: Winston, rather than demanding us explain what FGM is to you, then complaining when you are treated like an imbecile, why don't you suggest under what circumstances you would support it? Winston Smith wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:32am: freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:24am: Winston do you support FGM? What would it entail? I haven't made demands, my question remains unanswered.

FGM has been covered numerous times in this forum,here is Sheik Munajid who studied under the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia on Islamic FGM.

Islamic sources-

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Circumcision reduces excessive sensitivity of the clitoris which may cause it to increase in size to 3cm when aroused,which is very annoying to the husband at the time of intercourse. islamqa.info/en/45528

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Praise be to Allah Circumcision is not an inherited custom as many people claim, rather it is prescribed in Islam and all the scholars are unanimously agrred that it is prescribed,Not a single muslim scholar-as far as we know-has said that circumcision is not prescribed. islamqa.info/en/60314

Shaving pubic hair is also prescribed in Islam, Mohammad's favourite wife was his child bride Aisha, i think he had a fetish for hairless pussy.

"But I didn't".
Winston didn't get the answer that he asked for; his obvious lack of comprehension is a problem, but it's his problem, mostly, he suffers from it and others suffer for it.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:47am: If the doctor had deviated out of hospital norms or hasn't followed policies and procedures then of course he should be investigated and reprimanded. 'Reprimanded? May I make a small suggestion? How about he is given jail time, and then deported?

May I humbly suggest, Herbert, that the good doctor be circumcised again, above the collar button.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:13pm:

"But I didn't". Winston didn't get the answer that he asked for; his obvious lack of comprehension is a problem, but it's his problem, mostly, he suffers from it and others suffer for it.

You have a bad habit of labelling others stupid simply because they ask questions which you are unable to answer. Winstons question has not been answered, he asked "what would it entail" no one has answered the question yet. any simpleton would know that female genital mutilation encompasses a number of practises, not all the same..

ian wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Winstons question has not been answered, he asked "what would it entail" no one has answered the question yet.

It has been answered, read the 2 links i put in post #30 from an Islamic scholar.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:17pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:25pm: wally1 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:47am: If the doctor had deviated out of hospital norms or hasn't followed policies and procedures then of course he should be investigated and reprimanded. 'Reprimanded? May I make a small suggestion? How about he is given jail time, and then deported? May I humbly suggest, Herbert, that the good doctor be circumcised again, above the collar button.

It's called a headerectomy, in Islam. Abu actually suggested it as the correct Islamic punishment for removing too much of the little girl's genitalia.


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You have a bad habit of labelling others stupid simply because they ask questions which you are unable to answer. Winstons question has not been answered, he asked "what would it entail" no one has answered the question yet. any simpleton would know that female genital mutilation encompasses a number of practises, not all the same..

Given that it was in response to a general question or point, rather than a specific proposal, it was indeed a stupid response.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 12:59pm:

Winston, rather than demanding us explain what FGM is to you, then complaining when you are treated like an imbecile, why don't you suggest under what circumstances you would support it? miketrees wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:47am: I see a problem where (as has happened already) some people take their girls overseas to have the butchery done in places that accept the procedure or don't enforce the laws. Over time this practice will end but we must do all we can to stop it happening and speed up its end. Sounds 'divisive'. Wouldn't it be better if we tried not to make waves?

No, FD, much better to spend our days engaging in ever-so-productive shriekfests against things we don’t have time to read about or understand.

It’s all a giggle, eh?

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:17pm:

May I humbly suggest, Herbert, that the good doctor be circumcised again, above the collar button.

That's was a French specialty until recent times. Did you know the guillotine was invented in Scotland?

And 'Eugene' means 'good birth' or 'well-born' ?  :)

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No, FD, much better to spend our days engaging in ever-so-productive shriekfests against things we don’t have time to read about or understand.

Are you upset about the pedophilia thread Karnal?

;D ;D ;D

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:33pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:17pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:25pm: wally1 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:47am: If the doctor had deviated out of hospital norms or hasn't followed policies and procedures then of course he should be investigated and reprimanded. 'Reprimanded? May I make a small suggestion? How about he is given jail time, and then deported? May I humbly suggest, Herbert, that the good doctor be circumcised again, above the collar button. That's was a French specialty until recent times. Did you know the guillotine was invented in Scotland?

Gee, TV, the guillotine, deep-fried Mars bars...

We’re an enterprising lot, you know.

Mind you, we never got around to the stick. Your Australian Aborigine beat us to it by 40,000 years.

Karnal wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:36pm:

Gee, TV, the guillotine, deep-fried Mars bars... We’re an enterprising lot, you know. Mind you, we never got around to the stick. Your Australian Aborigine beat us to it by 40,000 years.

Never mind the waffle ~ just answer FD's question.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:33pm:

Quote: No, FD, much better to spend our days engaging in ever-so-productive shriekfests against things we don’t have time to read about or understand. Are you upset about the pedophilia thread Karnal?

Good heavens, no. I’m honoured. And I’m glad you’ve finally developed a sense of humous.

Sorry, humour. There’s that Moslem-appeasing tick again.

Before you started shrieking about legalising pedophilia, did you bother trying to understand why it is illegal?

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:36pm: Gee, TV, the guillotine, deep-fried Mars bars... We’re an enterprising lot, you know. Mind you, we never got around to the stick. Your Australian Aborigine beat us to it by 40,000 years. Never mind the waffle ~ just answer FD's question.

And here’s the cop with the telephone book - the one without the sense of humour.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:43pm:

Before you started shrieking about legalising pedophilia, did you bother trying to understand why it is illegal?

Before you became Ray Hadley, did you bother to read the words of said posts?

I’m sorry, FD, I really shouldn’t be so cruel.

You don’t have time.

I read it. You built a case for legalising pedophilia by ignoring the reason it is banned. I think every Muslim was convinced by it.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 3:00pm:

I read it. You built a case for legalising pedophilia by ignoring the reason it is banned. I think every Muslim was convinced by it.

Did you read the part about replacing the age of consent with specific criteria for abuse being the argument of experts in the field of child sexual.abuse?

Sorry, FD, you couldn’t. You don’t bother with non-Moslem texts. You prefer to focus on the example of Muhammed.

Allah Uakbar, no?

Sorry to get academic, FD, but the punchline in your joke is that banning underage defacto relationships makes them go away.

But when they’re presented to you as Muselman statistics, well. It’s an epidemic of paedophilia.

If it was up to me, FD, you’d get the award. Pure comedy gold.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:36pm: Gee, TV, the guillotine, deep-fried Mars bars... We’re an enterprising lot, you know. Mind you, we never got around to the stick. Your Australian Aborigine beat us to it by 40,000 years. Never mind the waffle ~ just answer FD's question.

FD’s left the room, Herbie. Are you going to resume the interview?

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:27pm:

ian wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:22pm: Winstons question has not been answered, he asked "what would it entail" no one has answered the question yet. It has been answered, read the 2 links i put in post #30 from an Islamic scholar.

Incorrect. That link does not show how these FGM's were carried out. Not sure if you have a comprehension problem so I will state this again for the record. Female genital mutilation is not necassarily female genital circumcision, sometimes the clitoris is cut out, in other operations it is not. sometimes the clitoris is only nicked symbolically.  so winstons question remains unanswered.

ian wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 3:53pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:27pm: ian wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:22pm: Winstons question has not been answered, he asked "what would it entail" no one has answered the question yet. It has been answered, read the 2 links i put in post #30 from an Islamic scholar. Incorrect. That link does not show how these FGM's were carried out. Not sure if you have a comprehension problem so I will state this again for the record. Female genital mutilation is not necassarily female genital circumcision, sometimes the clitoris is cut out, in other operations it is not. sometimes the clitoris is only nicked symbolically.  so winstons question remains unanswered.

It has been answered, there are no diagrams in the Islamic texts on how to do FGM,would you like muslims to make a video instructing people how to mutilate genitals?

From one link which you could not comprehend-

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Circumcision reduces excessive sensitivity of the clitoris which may cause it to increase in size which is annoying to the husband at time of intercourse. Another benefit of circumcision is that it prevents stimulation of the clitoris which makes it grow large in such a manner it causes pain. Circumcision reduces excessive sexual desire. It takes away excessive libido from women. islamqa.info/en/45528

Sheik Munajid spelled out what FGM does to women, Islamic apologists like you are morally bankrupt in what you defend.

Islam is a political ideology as well as a delusional religion, muslims have the honesty of a used car salesman combined with a politician when selling their horse manure.

Nicked symbolically downplays the reality of this barbaric practice, they tried to sell it to the medical profession as a ritual nick to get doctors to perform this for them.

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The college for Australia's obstetricians and gynacologists says it does not support the ritual nicking of young muslim girls and anyone suspected of performing such genital mutilation should be reported to authorities. The college does not support female genital mutilation full stop,Dr Weaver told AAP. This ritual nicking, as it has been called,has been put forward as a way of satisfying cultural sensitivities  but we do not support that either. news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/doctors-dont-support-ritual-nicking-20100528-wi3t.html

Ritual nicking is a politically correct way of asking for female genital mutilation to be allowed.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 6:33pm:

[ It has been answered, there are no diagrams in the Islamic texts on how to do FGM,would you like muslims to make a video instructing people how to mutilate genitals?

Took you a while, but at least you were the first one to get there. I also do not defend FGM, not sure where you got that idea from.

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Did you read the part about replacing the age of consent with specific criteria for abuse being the argument of experts in the field of child sexual.abuse?

I read the bit about you replacing it with the adult criteria. This is effectively what happens now, with a jude's consent required for borderline cases.


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Sorry to get academic, FD, but the punchline in your joke is that banning underage defacto relationships makes them go away.

Exactly. Just like banning murder means there is no more murder.


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sometimes the clitoris is only nicked symbolically

Nice. Just like Muslims remove the head of people who criticise Islam, as a symbol of their devotion.

yes, a ritual nicking is exactly like executing someone by beheading.  ::)

At least both are now illegal - at least until the apologists like you get their way.

Karnal wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:38pm: Karnal wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:36pm: Gee, TV, the guillotine, deep-fried Mars bars... We’re an enterprising lot, you know. Mind you, we never got around to the stick. Your Australian Aborigine beat us to it by 40,000 years. Never mind the waffle ~ just answer FD's question. And here’s the cop with the telephone book - the one without the sense of humour.

You can run butt you can't hide.

You have two questions to answer now.

#2:
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Before you started shrieking about legalising pedophilia, did you bother trying to understand why it is illegal?

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 6:33pm:

Ritual nicking is a politically correct way of asking for female genital mutilation to be allowed.

'Nicking' ~ what an utterly disgusting euphemism for an act of Islamic ritual butchery that profoundly handicaps the sexual enjoyment of women who have been the victim of this childish idiocy that's designed to keep a woman from 'straying' from her husband.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 6:52pm:

At least both are now illegal - at least until the apologists like you get their way.

Lol, how can I possibly be an apologist for something you nor anyone else are able to define? You condemn the practise but are unable to describe exactly what the practise entails.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:15pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:33pm: Ritual nicking is a politically correct way of asking for female genital mutilation to be allowed. 'Nicking' ~ what an utterly disgusting euphemism for an act of Islamic ritual butchery that profoundly handicaps the sexual enjoyment of women who have been the victim of this childish idiocy that's designed to keep a woman from 'straying' from her husband.

You next herbert, exactly what does the practise of FGM entail?

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 6:44pm:

Quote: Did you read the part about replacing the age of consent with specific criteria for abuse being the argument of experts in the field of child sexual.abuse? I read the bit about you replacing it with the adult criteria. This is effectively what happens now, with a jude's consent required for borderline cases.

I do hope you’re not supporting paedophilia here, FD. That’s Moslem appeasement, you know.

Do you think all those underage defacto census cases made it to a judge?

What effectively happens now is that cases of consensual sex a few years south of the age of consent are not even prosecuted. They are rarely even substantiated by JIRT investigators. The cops don’t touch them. After all, most people are smart enough to have sex behind closed doors.Mercifully, two kids shacked up together are known as "flatmates", not "paedophiles".

You might want to do some reading on the criteria for sexual consent, FD. Believe me, there are libraries on this stuff.

You keep having a good old chuckle.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:45pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:38pm: Karnal wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:36pm: Gee, TV, the guillotine, deep-fried Mars bars... We’re an enterprising lot, you know. Mind you, we never got around to the stick. Your Australian Aborigine beat us to it by 40,000 years. Never mind the waffle ~ just answer FD's question. And here’s the cop with the telephone book - the one without the sense of humour. You can run butt you can't hide.

Two Ts in butt.

Oh, Herbie, you are a tease!

ian wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:13pm: "But I didn't". Winston didn't get the answer that he asked for; his obvious lack of comprehension is a problem, but it's his problem, mostly, he suffers from it and others suffer for it. You have a bad habit of labelling others stupid simply because they ask questions which you are unable to answer. Winstons question has not been answered, he asked "what would it entail" no one has answered the question yet. any simpleton would know that female genital mutilation encompasses a number of practises, not all the same..

I didn't say that he was stupid simply that he lacked comprehension, as you appear to do also.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:43pm:

ian wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:22pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:13pm: "But I didn't". Winston didn't get the answer that he asked for; his obvious lack of comprehension is a problem, but it's his problem, mostly, he suffers from it and others suffer for it. You have a bad habit of labelling others stupid simply because they ask questions which you are unable to answer. Winstons question has not been answered, he asked "what would it entail" no one has answered the question yet. any simpleton would know that female genital mutilation encompasses a number of practises, not all the same.. I didn't say that he was stupid simply that he lacked comprehension, as you appear to do also.

Your turn. explain FGM.  :D If you arent able to do so then the evidence would point to your own lack of comprehension.

ian wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:15pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:33pm: Ritual nicking is a politically correct way of asking for female genital mutilation to be allowed. 'Nicking' ~ what an utterly disgusting euphemism for an act of Islamic ritual butchery that profoundly handicaps the sexual enjoyment of women who have been the victim of this childish idiocy that's designed to keep a woman from 'straying' from her husband. You next herbert, exactly what does the practise of FGM entail?

This is a perennial Islam board topic. I’m surprised FD hasn’t pulled Falah’s definitions of FGM off the Wiki.

I’ve got to say, even for a spineless apologist like me, Falah’s posts on this subject were a doozy.

The full clit job is called Pharonic circumcision, after Cleopatra. He had a name for the lessor one, I forget what that was.

He kind of supported it. I have no idea why.

This is one area, at least, where we don’t have to listen to the usual Muhammed-did-it-so-everyone-else-has-to line.

ian wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:15pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:33pm: Ritual nicking is a politically correct way of asking for female genital mutilation to be allowed. 'Nicking' ~ what an utterly disgusting euphemism for an act of Islamic ritual butchery that profoundly handicaps the sexual enjoyment of women who have been the victim of this childish idiocy that's designed to keep a woman from 'straying' from her husband. You next herbert, exactly what does the practise of FGM entail?

This is a perennial Islam board topic. I’m surprised FD hasn’t pulled Falah’s definitions of FGM off the Wiki.

I’ve got to say, even for a spineless apologist like me, Falah’s posts on this subject were a doozy.

The full clit job is called Pharonic circumcision, after Cleopatra. He had a name for the lessor one, I forget what that was.

He kind of supported it. I have no idea why.

This is one area, at least, where we don’t have to listen to the usual Muhammed-did-it-so-everyone-else-has-to line.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 2:33pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:17pm: May I humbly suggest, Herbert, that the good doctor be circumcised again, above the collar button. That's was a French specialty until recent times. Did you know the guillotine was invented in Scotland? And 'Eugene' means 'good birth' or 'well-born' ?  :)

Indeed 'Eugene' means 'well born' or 'of noble race' as you are undoubtedly yourself of noble descent.

ian wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:32pm:

You next herbert, exactly what does the practise of FGM entail?

Indulging in petulance is not helping your cause, Ian.

It's all on Google ~ with pictures, drawings, and testimony.

You might even find a little doco of it played to music.

One thing that FGM entails, in some cases, is extreme difficulty in childbirth.
The vulva is an elastic organ and expands to several times its normal size during delivery, any inelastic scar tissue cannot expand thus causing complications and extreme pain for the mother.
There is every possibility of tearing and consequently more scaring, making subsequent births even more difficult.

This is only one aspect of this primitive sub-human practice I'll strike that out as sub-humans don't practice FGM, perhaps 'unenlightened' 'backward' or plain old 'evil' are better words.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:52pm:

Indeed 'Eugene' means 'well born' or 'of noble race' as you are undoubtedly yourself of noble descent.

Indeed I am, Eugene. It's most kind of you to have noticed. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/cool_man_zps285640ee.gif

'Noblesse oblige' and all that.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:52pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:33pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:17pm: May I humbly suggest, Herbert, that the good doctor be circumcised again, above the collar button. That's was a French specialty until recent times. Did you know the guillotine was invented in Scotland? And 'Eugene' means 'good birth' or 'well-born' ?  :) Indeed 'Eugene' means 'well born' or 'of noble race' as you are undoubtedly yourself of noble descent.

Oh, indeed.

Back in the days of the six o’clock swill, Herbie lined up in the pubs of Redfern with the creme de la creme.

Karnal wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:51pm:

ian wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:32pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:15pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:33pm: Ritual nicking is a politically correct way of asking for female genital mutilation to be allowed. 'Nicking' ~ what an utterly disgusting euphemism for an act of Islamic ritual butchery that profoundly handicaps the sexual enjoyment of women who have been the victim of this childish idiocy that's designed to keep a woman from 'straying' from her husband. You next herbert, exactly what does the practise of FGM entail? This is a perennial Islam board topic. I’m surprised FD hasn’t pulled Falah’s definitions of FGM off the Wiki. I’ve got to say, even for a spineless apologist like me, Falah’s posts on this subject were a doozy. The full clit job is called Pharonic circumcision, after Cleopatra. He had a name for the lessor one, I forget what that was. He kind of supported it. I have no idea why. This is one area, at least, where we don’t have to listen to the usual Muhammed-did-it-so-everyone-else-has-to line.

Perhaps Falah thought it might help protect children from sexual predators among their classmates.

Perhaps FD’s had enough fun for today and needs to go to beddy-byes.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 8:12pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:52pm: Indeed 'Eugene' means 'well born' or 'of noble race' as you are undoubtedly yourself of noble descent. Indeed I am, Eugene. It's most kind of you to have noticed. 'Noblesse oblige' and all that.

Being quite perceptive and having the ancestral 'second sight' I would say that from the etheral vibes that I receive from your above post that you descend from some of the Kings of England..... I feel a vibe.....Henry II....no doubt about it, the link is Henry. ;D

Why can't the mussies stop cutting baby girl's clits?

It's a symbol, apparently. Perhaps for the respect Islam engenders for women.

freediver wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 10:43am:

It's a symbol, apparently. Perhaps for the respect Islam engenders for women.

It shows how sick Muslim religion is.

I am not sure its strictly a Muslim thing.

I think its unfortunate/ unforgivable that its anybodies thing.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:52pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:33pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:17pm: May I humbly suggest, Herbert, that the good doctor be circumcised again, above the collar button. That's was a French specialty until recent times. Did you know the guillotine was invented in Scotland? And 'Eugene' means 'good birth' or 'well-born' ?  :) Indeed 'Eugene' means 'well born' or 'of noble race' as you are undoubtedly yourself of noble descent.

You little tart.


Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 8:12pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:52pm: Indeed 'Eugene' means 'well born' or 'of noble race' as you are undoubtedly yourself of noble descent. Indeed I am, Eugene. It's most kind of you to have noticed. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/cool_man_zps285640ee.gif 'Noblesse oblige' and all that.

Are you grooming him Herbert?

Get a room you two. ;D

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 10:28am:

Being quite perceptive and having the ancestral 'second sight' I would say that from the etheral vibes that I receive from your above post that you descend from some of the Kings of England..... I feel a vibe.....Henry II....no doubt about it, the link is Henry. ;D

Wrong!

William the First (William the Conqueror) ... I've got the family chart on the kitchen wall.  :)

freediver wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 10:43am:

It's a symbol, apparently. Perhaps for the respect Islam engenders for women.

You dont know much about this do you?


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There is no mention of FGM in the Bible or Quran.[102] Although its origins are pre-Islamic, it became associated with Islam because of that religion's focus on female modesty and chastity, and is found only within or near Muslim communities.[103] It is praised in several hadith (sayings attributed to Muhammad) as noble but not required, along with advice that the milder forms are kinder to women.[104] In 2006 several leading Islamic scholars called for an end to the practice, and in 2007 the Al-Azhar Supreme Council of Islamic Research in Cairo ruled that it has no basis in Islamic law.[105] According to Mackie, it is not practised in Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia, Islam's holiest cities, although there have been reports of it in that country, perhaps among immigrant communities.[106] Surveys have shown that there is a widespread belief in several countries, particularly Eritrea, Egypt, Guinea, Mali and Mauritania, that FGM is a religious requirement.[107] Mackie and LeJeune write that practitioners may not distinguish between religion, tradition and chastity, which makes it difficult to interpret the data.[108] Outside Islam, FGM has been practised by the Christian Copts in Egypt and Sudan, and by the Beta Israel of Ethiopia, the only Jewish group known to have practised it. Judaism requires male circumcision, but does not allow FGM.[109]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation

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It is praised in several hadith (sayings attributed to Muhammad) as noble but not required, along with advice that the milder forms are kinder to women.

That's odd. Abu liked to insist that Islam had the death penalty for people who chopped too much off.

The majority of the worlds muslim population does not practise FGM. I agree it is abhorrent but it appears to me to be a cultural practise rooted in the middle east and africa.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 12:10pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:28am: Being quite perceptive and having the ancestral 'second sight' I would say that from the etheral vibes that I receive from your above post that you descend from some of the Kings of England..... I feel a vibe.....Henry II....no doubt about it, the link is Henry. ;D Wrong! William the First (William the Conqueror) ... I've got the family chart on the kitchen wall.  :)

Herbert,
You must have a bloody big kitchen!
William is also an ancestor of mine, and of Henry II as well, to think that we both share such noble ancestry (William was a bit of a bastard, but blood, though diluted by time and many couplings, is still thicker than water ::)).

ian wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

The majority of the worlds muslim population does not practise FGM. I agree it is abhorrent but it appears to me to be a cultural practise rooted in the middle east and africa.

It is rooted in the Middle east and Africa but like the general run of such cancers it has spread to other countries as well, including Australia; one only has to talk to widely experienced nurses and midwives to get this fact.

Good coverage can be found on Google at:
[PDF]
Improving the health care of women and girls affected by female ...

Gee whiz, no kidding. Considering we accept migrants from these areas i would say thats a logical assumption. Show us some more of your great knowledge eugene.

ian wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

The majority of the worlds muslim population does not practise FGM. I agree it is abhorrent but it appears to me to be a cultural practise rooted in the middle east and africa.

Rooted in Islamic societies.

ian wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 1:39pm:

Gee whiz, no kidding. Considering we accept migrants from these areas i would say thats a logical assumption. Show us some more of your great knowledge eugene.

Petulance doesn't become you, Ian.

Eugene made a perfectly valid observation which had you spitting the dummy.

66,000 mutilations in Britain in the last few years. 

Muslims. Islam. Nobody else.

Stop struggling, Ian, it only tightens your bonds.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 4:34pm:

ian wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 12:23pm: The majority of the worlds muslim population does not practise FGM. I agree it is abhorrent but it appears to me to be a cultural practise rooted in the middle east and africa. Rooted in Islamic societies.

no, not entirely as i have just established. Try and keep up Herbert, maybe time to take your blue pill.

ian wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 1:39pm:

Gee whiz, no kidding. Considering we accept migrants from these areas i would say thats a logical assumption. Show us some more of your great knowledge eugene.

Of course, Ian.
Eugene, like Ian, is spelt with a capital letter.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 4:36pm:

ian wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:39pm: Gee whiz, no kidding. Considering we accept migrants from these areas i would say thats a logical assumption. Show us some more of your great knowledge eugene. Petulance doesn't become you, Ian. Eugene made a perfectly valid observation which had you spitting the dummy. 66,000 mutilations in Britain in the last few years.  Muslims. Islam. Nobody else. Stop struggling, Ian, it only tightens your bonds.

snap.  Lol, got quite the thing for eugene dont you? I think you have realised as  I have hes about 16 years old. Betcha wonder about his taut slim young body eh herbert?

Gud is great!

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/17300000/herbert-the-old-man-herbert-family-guy-17323796-500-400.jpg

ian wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 5:12pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:36pm: ian wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:39pm: Gee whiz, no kidding. Considering we accept migrants from these areas i would say thats a logical assumption. Show us some more of your great knowledge eugene. Petulance doesn't become you, Ian. Eugene made a perfectly valid observation which had you spitting the dummy. 66,000 mutilations in Britain in the last few years.  Muslims. Islam. Nobody else. Stop struggling, Ian, it only tightens your bonds. snap.  Lol, got quite the thing for eugene dont you? I think you have realised as  I have hes about 16 years old. Betcha wonder about his taut slim young body eh herbert?

The body, Ian, is taut but no longer young. it turned 80 today at about 0715 hours. ;D

From the top of this page as it appears on my screen,

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23rd Mar, 2014 at 8:03pm      Happy Birthday Eugene, you have 0 messages

ian wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 5:09pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:34pm: Rooted in Islamic societies. no, not entirely as i have just established.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/pig2_zps104c3bed.png

It's still an Islamic pig, Ian.

In many Islamic societies Muslim men regard their wives as their possessions, and it has long been thought that if you remove the clitoris from young girls, when they eventually marry they will stay faithful to their husbands because they won't have any sexual feelings to tempt them to 'stray' with someone else.

Mariam Hakim, young Afghan woman who now lives in Australia.

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"My cousin lives a little north of Kabul and she's just one of millions of women who can't go to school, who can't leave the house, whose opinions don't matter. She stays home and cooks for her siblings; she can't go past the front gate".

Islamic culture?

Damn right it is. And so is the practice of cliterectomy.

I hope you're not labouring under the delusion that by defending certain Islamic cultural practices you're demonstrating a degree of moral excellence that the rest of us are unable to equal.

Here it is again:


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"My cousin lives a little north of Kabul and she's just one of millions of women who can't go to school, who can't leave the house, whose opinions don't matter. She stays home and cooks for her siblings; she can't go past the front gate".

And this is after 11 years and many Western forces lives lost in keeping the Taliban at bay.

This is Muslim society without the Taliban:


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"My cousin lives a little north of Kabul and she's just one of millions of women who can't go to school, who can't leave the house, whose opinions don't matter. She stays home and cooks for her siblings; she can't go past the front gate".

When will people like you wake up and stop massaging your delusions of self-importance for defending these hideously delinquent Muslim social values?