Bill Shorten recently called for new policy ideas for the Labor Party. Well here’s one.

Let’s have a new policy on asylum seekers.

The labor government when they were in power was trying to get a regional process centre up and running and no country in the region wanted to take it on board.

So why doesn’t the labor party bite the bullet and set the regional process centre on Australia soil and hand it over to the UNHCR to run? Australia could set some rules for it and throw some money in to run it.

We already have a detention centre on Christmas Island that could be used. We could fly asylum seekers in from Indonesia or Malaysia and process them on Christmas Island to see if they are fair dinkum refugees and if they are resettled them in any country the UNHCR says that is safe for them. If they are not found to be refugees fly them back to their original country. Anyone arrived by boat get flown to Manus Island, Nauru or Cambodia to get process and resettled in one of those countries. The only guaranteed that people arriving by boat is that they won’t be resettle in Australia if they are found to be refugees.

We should also have a time limit on how long asylum seekers can be keep in detention for health and security checks, they could be released into the community on Christmas Island once their Health and security checks are done and they are waiting for their refugee process is competed.

That is my take on process asylum seekers, if you got a better idea lets hear it.



Don’t worry all you rednecks racist people on here, don’t comment on this article because none of you have got a solution to the asylum seeker problem, you are all the bloody f$#^ing problem.

John S wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 3:36pm:

Don’t worry all you rednecks racist people on here, don’t comment on this article because none of you have got a solution to the asylum seeker problem, you are all the bloody f$#^ing problem.

Most of them don't even know the difference between asylum seekers and refugees, and persecution and poverty.

Until they learn the basics, they have no right participating in any discource on the subject.

Clive Palmer and pansi would like that.

Great idea but.....

there's still the problem of tinted people

We don't have any problems with processing asylum seekers. We did have illegal immigrants until Abbott & Morrison came to office, but haven't had any in 90-odd days! :)

John S wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 3:36pm:

So why doesn’t the labor party bite the bullet and set the regional process centre on Australia soil and hand it over to the UNHCR to run?

Because that would actually attract boats not discourage them unwiseone...

It just proves beyond doubt how out of touch Shorten and Labor are.....as if they could possibly offer a solution  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  What freeken parallel universe are they inhabiting ?   ;D ;D

John S wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 3:36pm:

The labor government when they were in power was trying to get a regional process centre up and running and no country in the region wanted to take it on board.

Howard set up a regional processing centre for refugees that resettled refugees into other countries, Labor dismantled this regional processing centre that resettled refugees into other countries when they dismantled the Pacific solution.

The labor government was thrown out in the last election because Australians were sick of their lies, they have no hope of being re elected while they continue to tell lies.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:10pm:

The labor government was thrown out in the last election because Australians were sick of their lies, they have no hope of being re elected while they continue to tell lies.

I've never felt such a sense of the ridiculous as when the news cameras switch from Abbott or another Liberal politician, to then focus on a member of the Opposition to ask for his or her opinion.

These media Lefties must be joking.

We've just witnessed 6 embarrassingly incompetent years of the worst performance from any party in government since federation ~ and yet we're supposed to give a damn what Bill Shorten or any of the others have to say in reply to Abbott & Co?

Bill Shorten and his team should have the decency and the courtesy to simply shut up and keep as quiet as possible for the next few years after the hideous fiasco of the Gillard and Rudd years.

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A while ago someone here said there were plans to build more facilities on Nauru and Manus Island. Well, the Nauru works are underway. (I read somewhere that work has begun on expanded facilities on Manus, too.) Clint Diedenang, on Nauru, tweets that clearing work for the first of three offshore processing centres to be built there has just begun. This one is just a few hundred metres from a school. There has been a bit of discussion about why three more are needed if the boats are supposed to have stopped. Is Morrison planning to move asylum seekers who are already in Australia to Nauru? Is it in case Manus has to be closed after the UN finish investigating? Does Morrison know – but won’t say publicly – that once the monsoon season ends the boats will be back in numbers? All of the above? If you use Twitter you might like to follow @clintd22, it’s the only way we have of knowing what’s going on there. There are more puzzling border control developments. It’s odd that we are now looking at buying more than 30 orange lifeboats at a cost of $7.5 million if the boats have stopped. It’s odd that we are spending $3 billion on drones that will be used to spot ‘boats’ if the boats have stopped. It’s odd that we are going to spend $5.7 million on intelligence gathering technology so someone can locate ”security threats” on the water before they reach Australian shores. If the boats have stopped because Morrison’s polcies are so effective then why all this spending on something that allegedly isn’t happening? The answer is obvious – Morrison and Abbott have no hope of stopping anything, they are full of hot air. Their border protection policy has failed, they have lost controil of the budget for the portfolio and are now spending like drunken sailors in an attempt to deflect attention.

http://pbxmastragics.com/2014/03/21/flop-into-friday/comment-page-3/#comment-125957

$3Bn on drones! Geez, Little Johnny’s faux Pacific Solution only cost $1Bn! And if the drones penetrate Indo air space? My god.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 4:57pm:

We don't have any problems with processing asylum seekers. We did have illegal immigrants until Abbott & Morrison came to office, but haven't had any in 90-odd days! :)

Incorrect: the planes are still coming.

Typical lefty a hole. You cant tell others not to post on this forum.

It is quite clear that your ilk should not be in power. This is the type of crap policy on the run that labor was famous for. Not one brain cell goes to consequence with you lot.

You would still get the boats, because if you fly them over, they would have to be indentified first Are you suggesting we put hijackers on planes, hope they dont do a 911, then process them with a sigh of relief.

Yeh good thinkin. You should join labor's policy on the run team. Be quick, they are running past right now.

{shakes head. WTF?}

Swagman wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 5:05pm:

John S wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:36pm: So why doesn’t the labor party bite the bullet and set the regional process centre on Australia soil and hand it over to the UNHCR to run? Because that would actually attract boats not discourage them unwiseone...

If people are suffering hunger and persecution, nothing will stop them trying to escape.

So little information is provided by this  :-X government we really have no idea what is going on.

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 4:07am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:05pm: John S wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:36pm: So why doesn’t the labor party bite the bullet and set the regional process centre on Australia soil and hand it over to the UNHCR to run? Because that would actually attract boats not discourage them unwiseone... If people are suffering hunger and persecution, nothing will stop them trying to escape. So little information is provided by this  :-X government we really have no idea what is going on.

There's plenty of info, you just don't like it . Also, the people on those boats that used to come here are economic migrants, they're coming purely for financial gain. We saw on the 730 Report what they REALLY think of us: f-Australia, "I'm going to kill you Navy people!". Not the type of people I'd ever want to see here.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 9:26pm:

Incorrect: the planes are still coming.

And landing in Indonesia?

I hope so. Let's see how long it takes for the Indonesians to find the will to stop the prospective 'boat-people' from passing through their Customs without being detained for immediate return from whence they've come.

They're stuck with a dilemma: If they accept these jet-setting 'asylum-seeker' frauds it will soon result in them flooding themselves with these Middle Easterners ... and if they start returning these jet-setters, it will prove that they could have done this all along.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 7:30am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:26pm: Incorrect: the planes are still coming. And landing in Indonesia?

No: they're landing in Australia.

Illegal immigrants come by plane, not boat.

"Lets have a new policy on asylum seekers."

Labour is extremely happy with Coal-ition policy of let them rot and be murdered while caged until they can take no more and ask to be sent home. 

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 8:47am:

No: they're landing in Australia. Illegal immigrants come by plane, not boat.

That's news to me. In that case why are the rest of them opting to disembark in Indonesia?

I do not like the idea as a regional processing centre would act as a magnet for asylum seekers with an expectation they would be resettled in Australia if they are found to be genuine refugees......The UN needs to build permanent camps in the regions these people come from to ensure repatriation once what ever conflict they are escaping has ended.....Most asylum seekers come from the ME or Africa which is no surprise considering the corruption and illegitimate Governments that control these regions and persecute minorities.....Fix the root cause and you will not have any asylum seekers!!!

::) ::) ::)

Burma has created its own fair share of ASs by persecuting a minority there.

As to fixing root causes—the simian has cut foreign aid.

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 7:08am:

As to fixing root causes—the simian has cut foreign aid.

Great news.

It's why the majority of us voted for Abbott.

He's not a lickspittle to 'international opinion' of Australia.  8-)

Did one of the machines break down? :o

http://frederation.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/soylent_green_poster1.jpg

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 4:57pm:

We don't have any problems with processing asylum seekers. We did have illegal immigrants until Abbott & Morrison came to office, but haven't had any in 90-odd days! :)

You call the boat people illegal immigrants some people call them country shoppers and some call them asylum seekers, so how about we call them boat people so we are all on the same page.

Anyway you are saying that no boat people have made it to Australia in the last 90 days, since Abbott and Morrison came to office. Well you and Morrison are wrong there has been heaps of boat people made to Australia in the last 90 days, and I can prove it.

Lets rewind a bit and go back into history it not that far back, OK we are in London where Julian Assange has claim asylum. We all know the story so I go into it.

So lets now go to Jakarta and someone ask for asylum in Australia Embassy, what would Australia officials do there would they process the claimant there, would they throw the claimant out or would they sent the claimant to Manus Island or Nauru to be processed for asylum.

You might be wondering what has this got to do with turning asylum seekers back on the high sea. Well Embassies are covered by Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and warship are covered by CONVENTION ON THE HIGH SEAS

So what it boils down to is when a boat people board a Australia warship it is class as them making Australia and they then can ask for asylum same as if they went into the Australia embassy.

Swagman wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 5:05pm:

John S wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:36pm: So why doesn’t the labor party bite the bullet and set the regional process centre on Australia soil and hand it over to the UNHCR to run? Because that would actually attract boats not discourage them unwiseone...

You didn’t read the full post. Would you paid someone $10,000 to get on a leaking boat and finish up in Manus Island or Nauru and not know where you could finish up if you are found to be a refugee, or would you like fly into Christmas for free and get resettle in Australia or another 1st world country if you are found to be a refugee.

There is only one way to stop the boats and that is stopping people getting on them in the first place. So what would your plan be to stop the boats?

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:10pm:

John S wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:36pm: The labor government when they were in power was trying to get a regional process centre up and running and no country in the region wanted to take it on board. Howard set up a regional processing centre for refugees that resettled refugees into other countries, Labor dismantled this regional processing centre that resettled refugees into other countries when they dismantled the Pacific solution. The labor government was thrown out in the last election because Australians were sick of their lies, they have no hope of being re elected while they continue to tell lies.

The centre was never set up for a regional process centre at the time Howard never mention it as a regional process centre. When it was set up Nauru never signed the Refugee Convention and the only country that said it would take refugees was New Zealand

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 10:05pm:

Typical lefty a hole. You cant tell others not to post on this forum. It is quite clear that your ilk should not be in power. This is the type of crap policy on the run that labor was famous for. Not one brain cell goes to consequence with you lot. You would still get the boats, because if you fly them over, they would have to be indentified first Are you suggesting we put hijackers on planes, hope they dont do a 911, then process them with a sigh of relief. Yeh good thinkin. You should join labor's policy on the run team. Be quick, they are running past right now.

Do you know what you post from one day to the next?

You righters are saying that asylum seeker fly into Indonesia then they throw all their I.D. overboard when they get on a boat. So do you really think that if they know they are flying to Christmas Island that they would all their I.D. away. Also if someone want to highjack a plane while didn’t they do it when they were flying to Indonesia.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2014 at 5:18am:

There's plenty of info, you just don't like it . Also, the people on those boats that used to come here are economic migrants, they're coming purely for financial gain. We saw on the 730 Report what they REALLY think of us: f-Australia, "I'm going to kill you Navy people!". Not the type of people I'd ever want to see here.

What would you do if you were treated like this


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ARASH SEDIGH: I ask them, "If we will die in these orange boats? It's not suitable for passing the ocean." They told me, "That's not our problem. That's yours. If you die in the Indonesian water, Indonesian Government in trouble and responsible. That's not our problem." NURADIN MOUSAVI: They dropped two boats from the Navy ship, they sailed towards us. When they arrived, they started without saying anything. We asked for help. "Our boat has holes, we are sinking." They only kept saying to us, "Shut up, don't move and sit down!" ARASH SEDIGH: When Customs come inside our wooden boat, I just ask them, "Please, please help us. Would you please take us in a safe place?" They just shouted on me, "Shut up, shut up, sit down!" NURADIN MOUSAVI: From there, they shift us in front of the boat, have their basement totally locked. They put everybody inside. MAHBOUBE MOUSAVI (subtitle translation): They put us in a very dark room. No matter how much we begged them to put a light bulb in the room, they would just shut the door on us, although there was a very small window. They covered it with cardboard from the back so that we wouldn't see any light. GEORGE ROBERTS: Nouradin (phonetic spelling) Mousavi and Mahboube say they were kept onboard the Triton for almost a week. MAHBOUBE MOUSAVI (subtitle translation): My heart troubled me there very much. I actually saw death in from of my eyes. I had difficulty breathing. I asked them to at least remove the cardboard and open the door so that we have fresh air. They said, "We are not allowed." ARASH SEDIGH: They pushed us, they punched us, when we were just asking for our rights. They just told us, "Shut down, shut down - sit down, shut up. Sit down, shut up." And ... GEORGE ROBERTS: Is that because asylum seekers were protesting or being violent? ARASH SEDIGH: Yeah, sometimes protesting, sometimes asking for some rights, you know, some facilities. Like, as I told you before, for example, contacting their families. http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2014/s3965617.htm

Would you sit on your arse and say nothing

5 post and not one of you can say how the government would stop people getting on the boats to stop the boats coming to Australia.

Stopping people getting onto the boats is the only way to stop them not turning them around on the high seas

John S wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 8:26am:

5 post and not one of you can say how the government would stop people getting on the boats to stop the boats coming to Australia. Stopping people getting onto the boats is the only way to stop them not turning them around on the high seas

Nonsense.

It gives our Border Protection navy personnel realistic training exercises.

The video released by the ABC in which we see a Muslin thug threatening to kill our navy personnel and crash a plane into one of our buildings is absolute GOLD.

It has gone viral, and will become a stock inclusion in the training package for navy personnel deployed to protect our borders.

It will stiffen the resolve of our sailors, and disabuse them of any such notion that these Muslims are innocent victims of unfair policy, and that they should be allowed to become the neighbours in suburbs.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 8:42am:

John S wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:26am: 5 post and not one of you can say how the government would stop people getting on the boats to stop the boats coming to Australia. Stopping people getting onto the boats is the only way to stop them not turning them around on the high seas Nonsense. It gives our Border Protection navy personnel realistic training exercises. The video released by the ABC in which we see a Muslin thug threatening to kill our navy personnel and crash a plane into one of our buildings is absolute GOLD. It has gone viral, and will become a stock inclusion the training package for navy personnel deployed to protect our borders. It will stiffen the resolve of our sailors, and disabuse them of any such notion that these Muslims are innocent victims of unfair policy, and that they should be allowed to become the neighbours in suburbs.

So you still got no idea on how to stop the boats

John S wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 8:44am:

So you still got no idea on how to stop the boats

I've got plenty of ideas, and the first step is for Australia to withdraw from its Refugee Convention with the UN that was signed in 1951 with the sole expectation that this would include Jews and Europeans in the aftermath of WW2.

There was not the slightest expectation on anyone's part that one day the 1951 Convention would be used to blackmail Australia into accepting a steady stream of people from a part of the world where the culture is one of antipathy towards Western nations for rejecting the Islam of Allah and the Prophet Mohammed.

Just in the past few years we've seen Western leaders of many different stripes and colour being elected into the top job.

Women, Negroes, homosexuals, the timid, the beautiful, the bold, and the ugly.

It's only a matter of time before a leader of exceptional qualities will emerge who has the personality and the drive to undo the damage that has been wrought our society by the 'multicultural', non-discriminatory policies of our post-WW2 crop of political traitors.

It will be someone who has grown up disgusted at the betrayal of the past 60 years in which traditional western societies have been abused and abandoned by successive governments flooding the towns and cities with incompatible and non-assimilable foreigners.

We already have these people in public life as radio and TV commentators, as well as in the print media ~ but as yet none has appeared on the political scene.

There's Geert Wilders in Holland, and Le Pen in France to give some of us hope that eventually just the right person will ascend to power and make a few changes that will at least part-way reclaim society back to how it was before the immigrant onslaught.

We've had it the simpering Lefty Way for far too long now. It's time for the pendulum to swing back in favour of the Silent Majority.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 9:00am:

John S wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:44am: So you still got no idea on how to stop the boats I've got plenty of ideas, and the first step is for Australia to withdraw from its Refugee Convention with the UN that was signed in 1951 with the sole expectation that this would include Jews and Europeans in the aftermath of WW2. There was not the slightest expectation on anyone's part that one day the 1951 Convention would be used to blackmail Australia into accepting a steady stream of people from a part of the world where the culture is one of antipathy towards Western nations for rejecting the Islam of Allah and the Prophet Mohammed.

Did you know that if we pull out of the Refugee Convention it takes 12 months

Article 44 on page 37

John S wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 9:13am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 9:00am: John S wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:44am: So you still got no idea on how to stop the boats I've got plenty of ideas, and the first step is for Australia to withdraw from its Refugee Convention with the UN that was signed in 1951 with the sole expectation that this would include Jews and Europeans in the aftermath of WW2. There was not the slightest expectation on anyone's part that one day the 1951 Convention would be used to blackmail Australia into accepting a steady stream of people from a part of the world where the culture is one of antipathy towards Western nations for rejecting the Islam of Allah and the Prophet Mohammed. Did you know that if we pull out of the Refugee Convention it takes 12 months Article 44 on page 37

Time to start the process then.

John S wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 9:13am:

Did you know that if we pull out of the Refugee Convention it takes 12 months

Then it's time we signalled our intention to withdraw.

If it's okay for Indonesia not to be a signatory to the Convention, then so too can we protect our own interests in the same way as they have.

That's not to say we shouldn't take refugees ~ but the criteria should be entirely up to our own elected government, and no one who supports the dangerously fascist religion of Islam should be considered for acceptance.

*****

By the way ~ I love your avatar signature, O Wise One.  ;D Howard was the first Australian prime minister to open the gates for Negroes to come and settle here.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:47am: No: they're landing in Australia. Illegal immigrants come by plane, not boat. That's news to me.

Well, now you know.

The majority of illegal immigrants come by plane.

People who come by boat are asylum seekers, and the majority of them turn out to be genuine refugees.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 9:55am:

People who come by boat are asylum seekers, and the majority of them turn out to be genuine refugees.

Whoaaa... Hold it right THERE, Greg.

The majority are by no stretch of the imagination 'refugees' ~ any more than are a sizeable percentage of our immigrants 'Australian' in anything but name only.

That they are rushed through the system for the purpose of avoiding a log-jam of tens of thousands of hostile and rioting Muslims in our detention centres is by no means proof of their authenticity.

Lodging appeal after appeal through our socialist pro bono lawyers produces a dangerous and explosive build-up of these Muslims in our detention centres.

As a safety-measure of course the government ushers a steady steam through the gates and out into the community as a way of managing the crush.

The vast majority of them are frauds by any reasonable definition.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 10:17am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 9:55am: People who come by boat are asylum seekers, and the majority of them turn out to be genuine refugees. The majority are by no stretch of the imagination 'refugees' ... The vast majority of them are frauds by any reasonable definition.

The government, and the official record, disagrees with you.

However, if you have any evidence to support your claim (which, let's face it, is nothing more than personal opinion), please present it now.

People who say "I claim asylum" are genuine asylum seekers - undeniable fact.

The majority of asylum seekers who come by boat are granted genuine refugee status - undeniable fact.

Facts trump personal opinions every time.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

However, if you have any evidence to support your claim (which, let's face it, is nothing more than personal opinion), please present it now.

Ooh I love this part.

Watch the excuses or silence.  Always one of the two. 

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

The government, and the official record, disagrees with you. However, if you have any evidence to support your claim (which, let's face it, is nothing more than personal opinion), please present it now. People who say "I claim asylum" are genuine asylum seekers - undeniable fact. The majority of asylum seekers who come by boat are granted genuine refugee status - undeniable fact. Facts trump personal opinions every time.

Did you know that even the agents working directly with the UN believe that Australia's criteria for judging someone's eligibility for refugee status is too lenient?

Did you know that?

And then ...
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"The government, and the official record, disagrees with you".

The government guaranteed the people of Australia need not fear the reintroduction of TB into Australia ... and that all the refugees from East Africa were being scrupulously checked by appointed medical staff to ensure this.

And then a GP discovered a case of TB.

An 'internal investigation' was hastily mounted, with the result that the government medicos admitted that because of the sheer numbers waiting  to be examined ~ only 1 in 9 were being thoroughly checked for TB.

The day I take at face value what the government tells us is true, is the day I have slipped into Senile Dementia with no hope of recovery.

As for the above ~ it's all on public record. How do I know? Because I read it, and 4 Corners, The 7.30 Report, etc raised Cain about it.

misposting

Stratos wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 10:24am: However, if you have any evidence to support your claim (which, let's face it, is nothing more than personal opinion), please present it now. Ooh I love this part. Watch the excuses or silence.  Always one of the two.

This time, it was excuses.