I think it's time that Rugby league NRL was banned after
the sickening spear tackle shown on the video below.
The players know that if they lift someone they are responsible
for making sure the player lands safely.

Alex McKinnon may never walk again.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-BmKXU12yE

Doesn't anyone have a comment?

It'll piss you off, but ~ seeing you insist,  I agree with Cameron Smith.  Still........tragic for McKinnon.

Aussie wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 3:53pm:

It'll piss you off, but ~ seeing you insist,  I agree with Cameron Smith.  Still........tragic for McKinnon.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/cameron-smith-right-to-question-alex-mckinnon-tackle/story-fnca0von-1226864540282


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MELBOURNE centre Will Chambers has defended skipper Cameron Smith for questioning Alex McKinnon's action in a tackle that left the Newcastle forward with a fractured neck. McKinnon suffered the injury in last night's NRL match at AAMI Park when he landed on his head in a three-man tackle by Jesse Bromwich, Kenny Bromwich and Jordan McLean. He was carried from the field and the tacklers were put on report by referee Gerard Sutton but Smith said the 22-year-old back-rower's actions in the tackle contributed to the injury. “I don't want to see that happen to anyone in our game but, if he doesn't duck his head, it doesn't happen,” Smith told Sutton on the field. Asked whether such comments were “insensitive in light of the injury”, Chambers said it was part of Smith's role to talk with the referee during a match. “No ... that's his part. He obviously saw something and had a chat,” said Chambers. He said he couldn't watch as McKinnon was put into a neck brace and stretchered from the field, with scans at a Melbourne hospital later confirming a fracture. The full extent of injury won't be known for at least a few days. McKinnon could initially be heard via the referee's microphone saying he couldn't feel anything. Chambers said it was tough to see any player suffer a serious injury in a tackle. “I walked away last night when it happened because you hate to see people in that situation,” he said. “You don't want to look. It's a scary thought, and I stayed away from it.” Chambers, a member of the Storm's leadership group, didn't want to be drawn on any possible penalties from the match video review panel over the tackle. “I haven't spoken to them (the tacklers),” he said. “Obviously you don't go out to do those sort of things. “It was an accident and we just hope that he recovers now and he's back on the field soon.” The Storm travel to Perth on Thursday ahead of their Saturday NRL clash with the Bulldogs. It's believed the three players involved in the tackle will speak with the club's welfare officer, while the club said it would also work with the Knights and the NRL in offering support and assistance to McKinnon and his family.

So he blames McKinnon?
Sounds like he's blaming the victim.

No.  No-one is blaming the victim.  I don't blame the Storm bloke either.  Fact is, if McKinnon does not duck his head as he did.......it would be entirely different.  So, why did he duck his head?  Because, he had been lifted a tad beyond horizontal and anticipated inversion and into a classic spear.  But, the Storm did not rotate and invert him.....they held him in that tad beyond horizonal position, and took him to ground.  He then put chin to chest, and if he had put back of head to between the shoulder blades....no problem.


This is a serious issue having decades of history.  I remember back in the day.....singly, no gang attack, you'd drive into the oncoming hips, use the momentum, lift even much bigger blokes up, invert him, send him down back first into the ground and slam your active shoulder into his belly to deliberately wind as he hit the ground........remembering to keep the top of one's own head out of range of said ground.

Solution......do not lift.  Do not ever get anywhere near horizontal.

Aussie wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

No.  No-one is blaming the victim.  I don't blame the Storm bloke either.  Fact is, if McKinnon does not duck his head as he did.......it would be entirely different.  So, why did he duck his head?  Because, he had been lifted a tad beyond horizontal and anticipated inversion and into a classic spear.  But, the Storm did not rotate and invert him.....they held him in that tad beyond horizonal position, and took him to ground.  He then put chin to chest, and if he had put back of head to between the shoulder blades....no problem. This is a serious issue having decades of history.  I remember back in the day.....singly, no gang attack, you'd drive into the oncoming hips, use the momentum, lift even much bigger blokes up, invert him, send him down back first into the ground and slam your active shoulder into his belly to deliberately wind as he hit the ground........remembering to keep the top of one's own head out of range of said ground. Solution......do not lift.  Do not ever get anywhere near horizontal.

So you agree with my first statement?




Quote:

The players know that if they lift someone they are responsible for making sure the player lands safely.

I think I'd just ban any lift.....and the instant it occurs the Ref blows the whistle and yells......'held.......cease.'

Aussie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

I think I'd just ban any lift.....and the instant it occurs the Ref blows the whistle and yells......'held.......cease.'

We agree - otherwise ban the game - it's too dangerous.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:41am:

Aussie wrote on Mar 29th, 2014 at 2:27pm: I think I'd just ban any lift.....and the instant it occurs the Ref blows the whistle and yells......'held.......cease.' We agree - otherwise ban the game - it's too dangerous.

get over it ... he knew the risks. If you had told him 3 years ago that if he chose to play professionaly he might end up with a broken neck, he would have gladly jumped on board.

Stick to netball Bobby, it seems more like you speed.

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 9:41am: Aussie wrote on Mar 29th, 2014 at 2:27pm: I think I'd just ban any lift.....and the instant it occurs the Ref blows the whistle and yells......'held.......cease.' We agree - otherwise ban the game - it's too dangerous. get over it ... he knew the risks. If you had told him 3 years ago that if he chose to play professionaly he might end up with a broken neck, he would have gladly jumped on board. Stick to netball Bobby, it seems more like you speed.

Listen John,
I can't watch that video again - it's so disturbing.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:47am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 9:43am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 9:41am: Aussie wrote on Mar 29th, 2014 at 2:27pm: I think I'd just ban any lift.....and the instant it occurs the Ref blows the whistle and yells......'held.......cease.' We agree - otherwise ban the game - it's too dangerous. get over it ... he knew the risks. If you had told him 3 years ago that if he chose to play professionaly he might end up with a broken neck, he would have gladly jumped on board. Stick to netball Bobby, it seems more like you speed. Listen John, I can't watch that video again - it's so disturbing.

of course it is .... and it shouldn't have happened .. however league is a contact sport and accidents do and will happen.

Do you call for the banning of the SYdney to Hobart whenever a boat and its crew drown? Or ban motor racing when a car crashes and a driver is burnt to death? Lets ban all sports that have the potential to be dangerous why don't we?

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 9:47am: John Smith wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 9:43am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 9:41am: Aussie wrote on Mar 29th, 2014 at 2:27pm: I think I'd just ban any lift.....and the instant it occurs the Ref blows the whistle and yells......'held.......cease.' We agree - otherwise ban the game - it's too dangerous. get over it ... he knew the risks. If you had told him 3 years ago that if he chose to play professionaly he might end up with a broken neck, he would have gladly jumped on board. Stick to netball Bobby, it seems more like you speed. Listen John, I can't watch that video again - it's so disturbing. of course it is .... and it shouldn't have happened .. however league is a contact sport and accidents do and will happen. Do you call for the banning of the SYdney to Hobart whenever a boat and its crew drown? Or ban motor racing when a car crashes and a driver is burnt to death? Lets ban all sports that have the potential to be dangerous why don't we?

I see your point but when I see 3 gorillas ramming a guys head into the ground
it seems so barbaric

im with you bobby... what a stupid barbaric game... get rid of it..

True Blue... wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 5:12pm:

im with you bobby... what a stupid barbaric game... get rid of it..

Thanks Sir General True Blue,
I am glad others see reason.

True Blue... wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 5:12pm:

im with you bobby... what a stupid barbaric game... get rid of it..

people and horses get hurt riding horses don't they? shall we ban that too?

They wouldnt understand the argument John. Those of us who produce testosterone think differently.

ian wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

They wouldnt understand the argument John. Those of us who produce testosterone think differently.

It must be the bra straps restricting their blood circulation

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 5:48pm:

True Blue... wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 5:12pm: im with you bobby... what a stupid barbaric game... get rid of it.. people and horses get hurt riding horses don't they? shall we ban that too?

Yes - a good idea.

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:01pm:

ian wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 5:54pm: They wouldnt understand the argument John. Those of us who produce testosterone think differently. It must be the bra straps restricting their blood circulation

Shouldn't it be your cod piece?

Bobby. wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 5:48pm: True Blue... wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 5:12pm: im with you bobby... what a stupid barbaric game... get rid of it.. people and horses get hurt riding horses don't they? shall we ban that too? Yes - a good idea.

why stop there ... ban fishing too

Neferti wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 6:01pm: ian wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 5:54pm: They wouldnt understand the argument John. Those of us who produce testosterone think differently. It must be the bra straps restricting their blood circulation Shouldn't it be your cod piece?

I don't even know what a cod piece is  :D :D...... I'll take your word for it.

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:05pm:

Neferti wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 6:05pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 6:01pm: ian wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 5:54pm: They wouldnt understand the argument John. Those of us who produce testosterone think differently. It must be the bra straps restricting their blood circulation Shouldn't it be your cod piece? I don't even know what a cod piece is  :D :D...... I'll take your word for it.

She is talking about testicles.

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:05pm:

Neferti wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 6:05pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 6:01pm: ian wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 5:54pm: They wouldnt understand the argument John. Those of us who produce testosterone think differently. It must be the bra straps restricting their blood circulation Shouldn't it be your cod piece? I don't even know what a cod piece is  :D :D...... I'll take your word for it.

Sure you do, it is a sort of "bra" for your cod.  ;D

Neferti wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 6:05pm: Neferti wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 6:05pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 6:01pm: ian wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 5:54pm: They wouldnt understand the argument John. Those of us who produce testosterone think differently. It must be the bra straps restricting their blood circulation Shouldn't it be your cod piece? I don't even know what a cod piece is  :D :D...... I'll take your word for it. Sure you do, it is a sort of "bra" for your cod.  ;D

;D ;D ;D

Ok, I didn't know that but I think I've figured it out.

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:09pm:

Neferti wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 6:08pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 6:05pm: Neferti wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 6:05pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 6:01pm: ian wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 5:54pm: They wouldnt understand the argument John. Those of us who produce testosterone think differently. It must be the bra straps restricting their blood circulation Shouldn't it be your cod piece? I don't even know what a cod piece is  :D :D...... I'll take your word for it. Sure you do, it is a sort of "bra" for your cod.  ;D ;D ;D ;D Ok, I didn't know that but I think I've figured it out.

;)

Neferti wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 6:09pm: Neferti wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 6:08pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 6:05pm: Neferti wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 6:05pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 6:01pm: ian wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 5:54pm: They wouldnt understand the argument John. Those of us who produce testosterone think differently. It must be the bra straps restricting their blood circulation Shouldn't it be your cod piece? I don't even know what a cod piece is  :D :D...... I'll take your word for it. Sure you do, it is a sort of "bra" for your cod.  ;D ;D ;D ;D Ok, I didn't know that but I think I've figured it out. ;)

by the way, I stand by my original comment re the bra strap ....  only a girl would call for a ban on league.

some people think that watching one man trying to push two men up three other mens bum holes is entertainment..

then when that gets boring they pick one of the men up and spear his head into the ground...

wow... so exciting...  ::)

True Blue... wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

some people think that watching one man trying to push two men up three other mens bum holes is entertainment.. then when that gets boring they pick one of the men up and spear his head into the ground... wow... so exciting...  ::)

each to their own ... that doesn't mean we ban it just because you don't like it .

True Blue... wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

some people think that watching one man trying to push two men up three other mens bum holes is entertainment.. then when that gets boring they pick one of the men up and spear his head into the ground... wow... so exciting...  ::)

We're getting like the Romans -

watching gladiators fight to the death.

It's not looking good for McKinnon , it's a pity


http://au.sports.yahoo.com/league/news/article/-/22282116/mckinnon-diagnosed-as-quadriplegic-report/

John Smith wrote on Mar 31^st, 2014 at 9:17pm:

It's not looking good for McKinnon , it's a pity http://au.sports.yahoo.com/league/news/article/-/22282116/mckinnon-diagnosed-as-quadriplegic-report/

Terrible:


Quote:

Alex McKinnon is facing life in a wheelchair after reports emerged that the Newcastle back-rower has been diagnosed as a quadriplegic. The 22-year-old sustained his injuries last Monday when he landed on his neck following a three-man tackle by Melbourne trio Jesse and Kenny Bromwich and Jordan McLean. In a tragic sequence of events McLean's attempt to lift the former St George Illawarra player went horribly wrong leaving him with injuries that have rocked the game to its foundations.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 31^st, 2014 at 8:58pm:

True Blue... wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 7:22pm: some people think that watching one man trying to push two men up three other mens bum holes is entertainment.. then when that gets boring they pick one of the men up and spear his head into the ground... wow... so exciting...  ::)

We're getting like the Romans -

watching gladiators fight to the death.

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

True Blue... wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 7:22pm: some people think that watching one man trying to push two men up three other mens bum holes is entertainment.. then when that gets boring they pick one of the men up and spear his head into the ground... wow... so exciting...  ::) each to their own ... that doesn't mean we ban it just because you don't like it .

no, not just because I don't like it...

that guy was lucky he didn't get killed!

they need rule changes at the least...

True Blue... wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 5:53am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 7:24pm: True Blue... wrote on Mar 30th, 2014 at 7:22pm: some people think that watching one man trying to push two men up three other mens bum holes is entertainment.. then when that gets boring they pick one of the men up and spear his head into the ground... wow... so exciting...  ::) each to their own ... that doesn't mean we ban it just because you don't like it . no, not just because I don't like it... that guy was lucky he didn't get killed! they need rule changes at the least...

they should always be looking to improve the rules ... and they do. I'm sure changes will be made after this.

All sorts of things have some inherent risk.

Many people love playing footie, I don't.
I banned my kids from playing it.

Riding my bike has some danger to it.

Ya know I hate the schmedia.  If you did not, you know now.  Last night, I was watching Ch 9 telling us all that Alex was a quadriplegiac.  Nah.  Just typical schmedia beat up which just adds to my hatred of them.

Click here.


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"The Club is extremely disappointed in the sensationalised television news story on Monday night about this tragic situation," the statement read. "One of the most important factors for Alex at this time is hope, which was jeopardised by this report."

Bloody arseholes!

I hope Alex receives the love and support he deserves at this difficult time....I will leave the accusations and blaming to others!!!

:( :( :(

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 9:49am:

All sorts of things have some inherent risk. Many people love playing footie, I don't. I banned my kids from playing it. Riding my bike has some danger to it.

Sounds like control to me.....Children should be free to pursue any sporting endeavours they chose with support from parents not interference IMO!!!

:-? :-? :-?

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 9:21pm:

Ya know I hate the schmedia.  If you did not, you know now.  Last night, I was watching Ch 9 telling us all that Alex was a quadriplegiac.  Nah.  Just typical schmedia beat up which just adds to my hatred of them. Bloody arseholes!

Whats your issue? He is a quadreplegic. Or more correctly a tetraplegic which is the same thing. whether or not he will get substantial recovery is the question, thats in the laps of the gods. There are plenty of walking quadriplegics.

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 10:01pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 9:49am: All sorts of things have some inherent risk. Many people love playing footie, I don't. I banned my kids from playing it. Riding my bike has some danger to it. Sounds like control to me.....Children should be free to pursue any sporting endeavours they chose with support from parents not interference IMO!!! :-? :-? :-?

Control, of course it is control.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 10:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 10:01pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 9:49am: All sorts of things have some inherent risk. Many people love playing footie, I don't. I banned my kids from playing it. Riding my bike has some danger to it. Sounds like control to me.....Children should be free to pursue any sporting endeavours they chose with support from parents not interference IMO!!! :-? :-? :-? Control, of course it is control.

Are you Tony Abbott Sprint.....That would explain why you would not let your daughters play football???

;) ;) ;)

Latest news  ABC 24

Jordan McLean has been found guilty of a dangerous tackle.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 7:05pm:

Latest news  ABC 24 Jordan McLean has been found guilty of a dangerous tackle.

Yes he has.  I've watched that tackle over and over many times now.  If Alex does not duck his head into contact with the ground......we would not be having this discussion.  I hope the Storm dude walks free in recognition of that indisputable fact.  If Alex holds his head up (or more relevantly.....does not duck it down) and uses his free left arm to assist landing, all would be well.

Aussie wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 7:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 7:05pm: Latest news  ABC 24 Jordan McLean has been found guilty of a dangerous tackle. Yes he has.  I've watched that tackle over and over many times now.  If Alex does not duck his into contact with the ground......we would not be having this discussion.  I hope the Storm dude walks free in recognition of that indisputable fact.  If Alex holds his head up (or more relevantly.....does not duck it down) and uses his free left arm to assist landing, all would be well.

You have a point -
I suppose it's like Judo - which I learnt for a while when I was a kid -
they teach you how to land safely from a throw.

Latest news  ABC 24 :

Jordan McLean suspended for 7 games.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:

Latest news  ABC 24 : Jordan McLean suspended for 7 games.

Okay.....so let's see some consistent penalties for the same tackle scenario which ends in nothing more than a tackled player 'playing the ball.'

I will have my eagle eye out this weekend.

Aussie wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 8:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 8:01pm: Latest news  ABC 24 : Jordan McLean suspended for 7 games. Okay.....so let's see some consistent penalties for the same tackle scenario which ends in nothing more than a tackled player 'playing the ball.' I will have my eagle eye out this weekend.

We can only hope that some poor bugger doesn't get their
neck broken this weekend.

How much do you reckon those skin tight lycra like jerseys play a part in how personally violent tackles have become?  'Back in the day,' we wore loose jerseys which allowed an opponent to grab it as part of the tackling process.  These skin tight things have been introduced to make it much more difficult to stop the progress of an opponent.  Think back to the days of Lewis, Langer, Beetson et al.  The jerseys were loose.

A mate of mine is part of the process of putting the Queensland State of Origin jerseys together.  I tried one on, and when worn, there is nothing to grab.  It is like a second skin.

Aussie wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 8:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 8:01pm: Latest news  ABC 24 : Jordan McLean suspended for 7 games. Okay.....so let's see some consistent penalties for the same tackle scenario which ends in nothing more than a tackled player 'playing the ball.' I will have my eagle eye out this weekend.

And I saw one.  Obvious, exactly the same ~ no head duck.  GC -v- Storm.  No charge.

Same tackle.