Arthur Sinodinos insists he has ''no recollection'' of more than $70,000 in donations to the NSW Liberals by his former firm Australian Water Holdings - despite being honorary party treasurer and an AWH director at the time.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/arthur-sinodinos-memory-lets-him-down-about-donations-to-nsw-liberals-20140402-35yvs.html

Fancy such a young man struck down with dementia like symptons in the prime of his life.  Such a waste.

they seem to forget a lot of things these libs do ......  :D :D

Vic wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 8:18am:

Arthur Sinodinos insists he has ''no recollection'' of more than $70,000 in donations to the NSW Liberals by his former firm Australian Water Holdings - despite being honorary party treasurer and an AWH director at the time. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/arthur-sinodinos-memory-lets-him-down-about-donations-to-nsw-liberals-20140402-35yvs.html Fancy such a young man struck down with dementia like symptons in the prime of his life.  Such a waste.

HE eldest son of crooked ex-MP Eddie Obeid admits he might have told a “white lie’’ to the NSW corruption watchdog. 
 
But his family “did not have investor relations’’ with infrastructure company Australian Water Holdings (AWH), he says.

Moses Obeid gave evidence at the Independent Commission against Corruption today as it investigates whether AWH corruptly billed the state-owned Sydney Water for limousine rides, airfares and luxury hotel stays.

It has also been alleged the Obeid family had a hidden stake in the company and that Mr Obeid lobbied NSW ministers and even former premier Kristina Keneally about its operations.

“My family does not own shares in Australian Water and we never have,’’ Moses Obeid told the commission.

“I can put that to you in Bill Clinton fashion: we did not have investor relations in that company.’’

There was a slight pause, before counsel assisting Geoffrey Watson SC asked pointedly: “Was Bill Clinton telling the truth?’’

Mr Watson has indicated he will accuse Moses Obeid of misleading the commission during an interview with ICAC investigators in 2013, when he claimed he knew “nothing, really’’ about Australian Water Holdings.

He also said his knowledge of a related company, Australian Water Pty Ltd, was limited to what he’d seen in the news.

“If it was untrue, Mr Watson, it was a white lie,’’ said Moses Obeid, whose father Eddie Obeid, a former Labor minister, has been found by a previous ICAC hearing to have engaged in corrupt conduct.

Yet Moses Obeid has admitted to signing a heads of agreement document in 2010 that Mr Watson has described as an agreement to buy $3 million worth of shares from former AWH chief Nick Di Girolamo.

Moses Obeid said he believed he was signing off on a simple loan to a family friend.

“I didn’t go through this document chapter and verse,’’ he said, adding that he was “preoccupied’’ with legal disputes when he signed.

“I might have been busting to go to the toilet or something,’’ he joked.

Mr Watson said if that was true, he had skipped a crucial heading.

“They’re three words, the longest of which is six letters,’’ Mr Watson said.

Vic wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 8:18am:

Arthur Sinodinos insists he has ''no recollection'' of more than $70,000 in donations to the NSW Liberals by his former firm Australian Water Holdings - despite being honorary party treasurer and an AWH director at the time. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/arthur-sinodinos-memory-lets-him-down-about-donations-to-nsw-liberals-20140402-35yvs.html Fancy such a young man struck down with dementia like symptons in the prime of his life.  Such a waste.

Anyone that "has no recollection" (cough cough) of "donations" of large sums of money should not ever be put in a position of managing money again. If his memory is really that bad he should leave politics.

Bam wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 8:36am:

Vic wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 8:18am: Arthur Sinodinos insists he has ''no recollection'' of more than $70,000 in donations to the NSW Liberals by his former firm Australian Water Holdings - despite being honorary party treasurer and an AWH director at the time. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/arthur-sinodinos-memory-lets-him-down-about-donations-to-nsw-liberals-20140402-35yvs.html Fancy such a young man struck down with dementia like symptons in the prime of his life.  Such a waste. Anyone that "has no recollection" (cough cough) of "donations" of large sums of money should not ever be put in a position of managing money again. If his memory is really that bad he should leave politics.

Yes - memory loss was an issue at the AWB inquiry as well.  Forget who forgot - maybe a booted out ex Coalition PM?

Vic wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 9:00am:

Yes - memory loss was an issue at the AWB inquiry as well.  Forget who forgot - maybe a booted out ex Coalition PM?

That was a joke - the old "I can't remember" defense. Howard trained his cronies well. He would have been a good solicitor in his day. Howard's defense was "no-one told me anything so my hands are clean".

Sinodinos is doing both. He can't remember and he didn't know Obeid was involved in this scam either.

Will he get away with it? Probably. There were a handful of people who were supposed to be charged in the AWB scandal, but after the inquiry, they disappeared into the woodwork never to be heard of again.

Sinodinos will disappear eventually, unpunished and wealthy. He would have friends in high places.

If he genuinely has no recollection of these events, he can't have been a very good party treasurer.

$200,000 a year for less than 50 hours' work. Pretty sweet gravy train for a Liberal party hack.

they must think we all came down with yesterdays shower....

if these people are not made to speak the truth.. whats the point of them turning up.??..

we can all claim memory loss...the fact that someone was assistant Treasurer

who the hell does he think he is kidding.. I am over these lying toads..

he didnt forget how much he stood to make though did he.... >:( >:(

Latest news is that Sinodinos is no longer appearing tomorrow, but a string of Liberal lobbyists who were paid handsomely by Australian Water to talk about sewerage pipes and drains will be up, including Australian Hotels Association NSW chief executive Paul Nicolaou and party powerbroker Michael Photios.

Amnesia is the first recourse of a guilty mind.

HOW CAN ANYONE BE IN A POSITION TO MAKE $20BILLION...its incomprehensible..

the whole thing sounds like a money laundering machine..and to claim they didnt know.. is just plain lying.

cods wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 4:37pm:

HOW CAN ANYONE BE IN A POSITION TO MAKE $20BILLION...its incomprehensible.. the whole thing sounds like a money laundering machine..and to claim they didnt know.. is just plain lying.

Million, not billion.

oh well.. a small mistake...  :D :D

mantra wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 9:12am:

Vic wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 9:00am: Yes - memory loss was an issue at the AWB inquiry as well.  Forget who forgot - maybe a booted out ex Coalition PM? That was a joke - the old "I can't remember" defense. Howard trained his cronies well. He would have been a good solicitor in his day. Howard's defense was "no-one told me anything so my hands are clean". Sinodinos is doing both. He can't remember and he didn't know Obeid was involved in this scam either. Will he get away with it? Probably. There were a handful of people who were supposed to be charged in the AWB scandal, but after the inquiry, they disappeared into the woodwork never to be heard of again. Sinodinos will disappear eventually, unpunished and wealthy. He would have friends in high places.

Not very bright is he?
And yet Abbott made him Assistant Treasurer...

Was that so Joe coild say at some time "No, I don't remember that, Arthur must have forgotten to tell me."???

:D

Bam wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 4:00pm:

$200,000 a year for less than 50 hours' work. Pretty sweet gravy train for a Liberal party hack.

Especially for one who suffers memory loss....

;D

cods wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 6:18pm:

oh well.. a small mistake...  :D :D

Wish my bank would make small mistakes like that..... in my favour.

;)

I am a liberal voter I say charge Sinodinas and prosecute to the full extent of the law.

Once again its not left Vs right its good guys Vs bad guys, or girls in the case of labor

miketrees wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 7:31pm:

I am a liberal voter I say charge Sinodinas and prosecute to the full extent of the law. Once again its not left Vs right its good guys Vs bad guys, or girls in the case of labor

What did he reckon he was being paid $200,000.00 for, and given a $3M+ shareholding (with a potential value of $20M) for?

I don't think he was asked that at ICAC.

Still......I suppose it is possible he believes we all came down in the last shower.

miketrees wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 7:31pm:

I am a liberal voter I say charge Sinodinas and prosecute to the full extent of the law. Once again its not left Vs right its good guys Vs bad guys, or girls in the case of labor

Charge him with what?
Stupidity?
Greed?
Ignorance?
Arrogance?
Apparently they are not against the law...
Until they come up with something he won't be getting charged.
I'm no fan of his or Abbott's inner circle of advisors, the Libs need a shake up and a reminder of why they are there.

Grendel wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 7:53pm:

miketrees wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 7:31pm: I am a liberal voter I say charge Sinodinas and prosecute to the full extent of the law. Once again its not left Vs right its good guys Vs bad guys, or girls in the case of labor Charge him with what? Stupidity? Greed? Ignorance? Arrogance? Apparently they are not against the law... Until they come up with something he won't be getting charged. I'm no fan of his or Abbott's inner circle of advisors, the Libs need a shake up and a reminder of why they are there.

What about perjury?

Grendel wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 7:53pm:

miketrees wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 7:31pm: I am a liberal voter I say charge Sinodinas and prosecute to the full extent of the law. Once again its not left Vs right its good guys Vs bad guys, or girls in the case of labor Charge him with what? Stupidity? Greed? Ignorance? Arrogance? Apparently they are not against the law... Until they come up with something he won't be getting charged. I'm no fan of his or Abbott's inner circle of advisors, the Libs need a shake up and a reminder of why they are there.

Grendel, there is more than just ALP turds producing that 'wiffy' corruption smell at ICAC.  Why anyone would conclude corruption is quarantined within just one Party is beyond me.....and I know you are aware of that.

The 'performance' of Sinodinas today has a familiar smell about it, and it will be a test of the resolve of ICAC whether they just let that sniff dissipate without going on digging until they find the turd.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 8:39pm:

Grendel wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 7:53pm: miketrees wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 7:31pm: I am a liberal voter I say charge Sinodinas and prosecute to the full extent of the law. Once again its not left Vs right its good guys Vs bad guys, or girls in the case of labor Charge him with what? Stupidity? Greed? Ignorance? Arrogance? Apparently they are not against the law... Until they come up with something he won't be getting charged. I'm no fan of his or Abbott's inner circle of advisors, the Libs need a shake up and a reminder of why they are there. What about perjury?

Apparently it hasn't happened....  or are you going to prove it did?
be good to see you on the news  ;D

Aussie wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 8:49pm:

Grendel wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 7:53pm: miketrees wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 7:31pm: I am a liberal voter I say charge Sinodinas and prosecute to the full extent of the law. Once again its not left Vs right its good guys Vs bad guys, or girls in the case of labor Charge him with what? Stupidity? Greed? Ignorance? Arrogance? Apparently they are not against the law... Until they come up with something he won't be getting charged. I'm no fan of his or Abbott's inner circle of advisors, the Libs need a shake up and a reminder of why they are there. Grendel, there is more than just ALP turds producing that 'wiffy' corruption smell at ICAC.  Why anyone would conclude corruption is quarantined within just one Party is beyond me.....and I know you are aware of that. The 'performance' of Sinodinas today has a familiar smell about it, and it will be a test of the resolve of ICAC whether they just let that sniff dissipate without going on digging until they find the turd.

Unlike you I don't go off half cocked.
I wait for proof.
Are you accusing ICAC of corruption now?  :D ::) :D ::) :D

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Unlike you I don't go off half cocked.

I haven't gone even a nano cocked.


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I wait for proof.

So do I.


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Are you accusing ICAC of corruption now?

On what legitimate basis would you ask that question, unless if course your intent was just to smear.

On what basis?  ;D ;D ;D


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Grendel, there is more than just ALP turds producing that 'wiffy' corruption smell at ICAC.  Why anyone would conclude corruption is quarantined within just one Party is beyond me.....and I know you are aware of that.  That's right I am not politically rusted-on. The 'performance' of Sinodinas today has a familiar smell about it, and it will be a test of the resolve of ICAC whether they just let that sniff dissipate without going on digging until they find the turd.  Why would it be a test...  surely like me you assume they will be doing their very best to get to the truth of all matters, seems to me you don't have faith in them...  I rest my case.  ;D

Grendel wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 9:32pm:

On what basis?  ;D ;D ;D Quote: Grendel, there is more than just ALP turds producing that 'wiffy' corruption smell at ICAC.  Why anyone would conclude corruption is quarantined within just one Party is beyond me.....and I know you are aware of that.  That's right I am not politically rusted-on. The 'performance' of Sinodinas today has a familiar smell about it, and it will be a test of the resolve of ICAC whether they just let that sniff dissipate without going on digging until they find the turd.  Why would it be a test...  surely like me you assume they will be doing their very best to get to the truth of all matters, seems to me you don't have faith in them...  I rest my case.  ;D

And you just lost it because nowhere have you established that I was alleging ICAC was corrupt.

Grendel wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 8:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 8:49pm: Grendel wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 7:53pm: miketrees wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 7:31pm: I am a liberal voter I say charge Sinodinas and prosecute to the full extent of the law. Once again its not left Vs right its good guys Vs bad guys, or girls in the case of labor Charge him with what? Stupidity? Greed? Ignorance? Arrogance? Apparently they are not against the law... Until they come up with something he won't be getting charged. I'm no fan of his or Abbott's inner circle of advisors, the Libs need a shake up and a reminder of why they are there. Grendel, there is more than just ALP turds producing that 'wiffy' corruption smell at ICAC.  Why anyone would conclude corruption is quarantined within just one Party is beyond me.....and I know you are aware of that. The 'performance' of Sinodinas today has a familiar smell about it, and it will be a test of the resolve of ICAC whether they just let that sniff dissipate without going on digging until they find the turd. Unlike you I don't go off half cocked. I wait for proof. Are you accusing ICAC of corruption now?  :D ::) :D ::) :D

I agree, Sinodinos hasn't yet been charged with anything. Nevertheless, it is difficult to avoid some suspicion with the "I can't recall" defence.

I would say Sinodinas will no longer be touted as a man of impeccable integrity and sound judgement.....Morality seams to be lost when it comes to the defence of the party faithful!!!

::) ::) ::)

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
Japanese Proverb

Bam wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 4:00pm:

$200,000 a year for less than 50 hours' work. Pretty sweet gravy train for a Liberal party hack.

Whoever gave the green light to that amount of money for what amounts to a weeks work for the average hard working jo, should be put in prison.

Perhaps the judge should send Uncle Arthur to the Long Bay memory recovery clinic to undertake the memory recovery course however long it takes!

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 8:39pm:

Grendel wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 7:53pm: miketrees wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 7:31pm: I am a liberal voter I say charge Sinodinas and prosecute to the full extent of the law. Once again its not left Vs right its good guys Vs bad guys, or girls in the case of labor Charge him with what? Stupidity? Greed? Ignorance? Arrogance? Apparently they are not against the law... Until they come up with something he won't be getting charged. I'm no fan of his or Abbott's inner circle of advisors, the Libs need a shake up and a reminder of why they are there. What about perjury?

I don't see how you could charge him with perjury unless you can prove that he does have a recollection of the events, and how are you going to do that?

I thought to most damage was done by Sinodinas wearing that smug grin as though he was to clever for the commission.....The bloke looks as dodgy as a two bob watch as far as I am concerned!!!

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 7:20am:

I thought to most damage was done by Sinodinas wearing that smug grin as though he was to clever for the commission.....The bloke looks as dodgy as a two bob watch as far as I am concerned!!! ::) ::) ::)

he is no doubt in my mind at all...

when are we going to see JAIL time for these people...isnt perjury something they do time for?????... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

this is costing millions....and for what they all go on as if no one can touch them....

someone mentioned the F word.. fraud.....

its time they put JAIL time  10 years  in long bay.

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I have no recollection

Obviously ministerial material. ;D

... and Abbott couldn't find women competent enough to put in his ministries? What quality of people do they have in the Liberal Party? All bozos?