National Front leader Marine Le Pen said on Friday it would prevent schools from offering non-pork alternatives to Muslim pupils in the 11 towns it won in local elections, saying such arrangements were contrary to France's secular values.

France's republic has a strict secular tradition enforceable by law, but faith-related demands have risen in recent years, especially from the country's five-million-strong Muslim minority, the largest in Europe.

'We will not accept any religious demands in school menus,' Le Pen told RTL radio. 'There is no reason for religion to enter the public sphere, that's the law.'

Please note: 'THAT'S THE LAW'

Former president Nicolas Sarkozy then waded into the row suggesting that meat should be labelled to tell consumers how the animal was slaughtered, which Jews and Muslims reject because they fear it will lead to them being stigmatized.

Hello? ... hello?

Isn't this an admission of cruelty to the animals?

Of course it is. Why else would they have to fear being stigmatised?

link

Islamisation-by-stealth is what's being addressed here ~ as well as reversing the luvvie's having waived the law to ingratiate with the Muslims to win their 5 million votes.

Herbert, why don't you just post these in Thinking Globally where they inevitably end up anyway?

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

National Front leader Marine Le Pen said on Friday it would prevent schools from offering non-pork alternatives to Muslim pupils in the 11 towns it won in local elections, saying such arrangements were contrary to France's secular values. France's republic has a strict secular tradition enforceable by law, but faith-related demands have risen in recent years, especially from the country's five-million-strong Muslim minority, the largest in Europe. 'We will not accept any religious demands in school menus,' Le Pen told RTL radio. 'There is no reason for religion to enter the public sphere, that's the law.' Please note: 'THAT'S THE LAW' Former president Nicolas Sarkozy then waded into the row suggesting that meat should be labelled to tell consumers how the animal was slaughtered, which Jews and Muslims reject because they fear it will lead to them being stigmatized. Hello? ... hello? Isn't this an admission of cruelty to the animals? Of course it is. Why else would they have to fear being stigmatised? link Islamisation-by-stealth is what's being addressed here ~ as well as reversing the luvvie's having waived the law to ingratiate with the Muslims to win their 5 million votes.

I don't mind a ham and cheese croissant every now and then but I am not a big fan of pork.....Some people don't even eat meat at all because they like vegetarian.....The French also eat horse meat snails and frogs legs which I would also avoid.....I have no problem if pork is on the menu as long as it is not the only thing on offer.....If this is claiming back any kind of heritage then the French don't have much to be proud of do they.....No wonder their country keeps getting invaded and losing wars!!!

;) ;) ;)

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:18pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 3:08pm: National Front leader Marine Le Pen said on Friday it would prevent schools from offering non-pork alternatives to Muslim pupils in the 11 towns it won in local elections, saying such arrangements were contrary to France's secular values. France's republic has a strict secular tradition enforceable by law, but faith-related demands have risen in recent years, especially from the country's five-million-strong Muslim minority, the largest in Europe. 'We will not accept any religious demands in school menus,' Le Pen told RTL radio. 'There is no reason for religion to enter the public sphere, that's the law.' Please note: 'THAT'S THE LAW' Former president Nicolas Sarkozy then waded into the row suggesting that meat should be labelled to tell consumers how the animal was slaughtered, which Jews and Muslims reject because they fear it will lead to them being stigmatized. Hello? ... hello? Isn't this an admission of cruelty to the animals? Of course it is. Why else would they have to fear being stigmatised? link Islamisation-by-stealth is what's being addressed here ~ as well as reversing the luvvie's having waived the law to ingratiate with the Muslims to win their 5 million votes. I don't mind a ham and cheese croissant every now and then but I am not a big fan of pork.....Some people don't even eat meat at all because they like vegetarian.....The French also eat horse meat snails and frogs legs which I would also avoid.....I have no problem if pork is on the menu as long as it is not the only thing on offer.....If this is claiming back any kind of heritage then the French don't have much to be proud of do they.....No wonder their country keeps getting invaded and losing wars!!! ;) ;) ;)

now now phil...you know what they say about "little acorns" dont you?

and these type of laws are just the thin end of the wedge..... they usually start in the schools..this is where it happens without you really being aware of it..

I am sorry I am a "When in Rome do as the Romans do" kind of person.

...muslims know what they are heading into long before they arrive.....they have a choice..
no one is telling them to go live in a christian country...they choose to do so..

they by pass a muslim country to come here for instance.


do you think every business should build a mosque so they have a place for prayer 5 times a day>???

I am happy to accommodate people but they want to change our way of life.. to become like theirs...at least thats the way I see it...

sure it wont happen in my life time...but to me its just the beginning

let them go where they dont breed pigs......simple.

Stratos wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:11pm:

Herbert, why don't you just post these in Thinking Globally where they inevitably end up anyway?

... or "Thinking Neurotic", perhaps ?

Stratos wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:11pm:

Herbert, why don't you just post these in Thinking Globally where they inevitably end up anyway?

You're right. I missed that.

cods wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 3:18pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 3:08pm: National Front leader Marine Le Pen said on Friday it would prevent schools from offering non-pork alternatives to Muslim pupils in the 11 towns it won in local elections, saying such arrangements were contrary to France's secular values. France's republic has a strict secular tradition enforceable by law, but faith-related demands have risen in recent years, especially from the country's five-million-strong Muslim minority, the largest in Europe. 'We will not accept any religious demands in school menus,' Le Pen told RTL radio. 'There is no reason for religion to enter the public sphere, that's the law.' Please note: 'THAT'S THE LAW' Former president Nicolas Sarkozy then waded into the row suggesting that meat should be labelled to tell consumers how the animal was slaughtered, which Jews and Muslims reject because they fear it will lead to them being stigmatized. Hello? ... hello? Isn't this an admission of cruelty to the animals? Of course it is. Why else would they have to fear being stigmatised? link Islamisation-by-stealth is what's being addressed here ~ as well as reversing the luvvie's having waived the law to ingratiate with the Muslims to win their 5 million votes. I don't mind a ham and cheese croissant every now and then but I am not a big fan of pork.....Some people don't even eat meat at all because they like vegetarian.....The French also eat horse meat snails and frogs legs which I would also avoid.....I have no problem if pork is on the menu as long as it is not the only thing on offer.....If this is claiming back any kind of heritage then the French don't have much to be proud of do they.....No wonder their country keeps getting invaded and losing wars!!! ;) ;) ;) now now phil...you know what they say about "little acorns" dont you? and these type of laws are just the thin end of the wedge..... they usually start in the schools..this is where it happens without you really being aware of it.. I am sorry I am a "When in Rome do as the Romans do" kind of person. ...muslims know what they are heading into long before they arrive.....they have a choice.. no one is telling them to go live in a christian country...they choose to do so.. they by pass a muslim country to come here for instance. do you think every business should build a mosque so they have a place for prayer 5 times a day>??? I am happy to accommodate people but they want to change our way of life.. to become like theirs...at least thats the way I see it... sure it wont happen in my life time...but to me its just the beginning let them go where they dont breed pigs......simple.

What is wrong with offering choice Cods.....Who is trying to change anyone's way of life.....by the way do you have any examples???


:-? :-? :-?

Reclaiming their heritage?

As garlic loving, surrender monkeys?

I wasn't aware that they'd lost it.

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:18pm:

I don't mind a ham and cheese croissant every now and then but I am not a big fan of pork.....Some people don't even eat meat at all because they like vegetarian.....The French also eat horse meat snails and frogs legs which I would also avoid.....I have no problem if pork is on the menu as long as it is not the only thing on offer.....If this is claiming back any kind of heritage then the French don't have much to be proud of do they.....No wonder their country keeps getting invaded and losing wars!!! ;) ;) ;)

This Le Pen party doesn't want the gap between Us and Them to keep growing ever wider due to endless government concessions to Muslim tradition and cultural sensitivities, and the whole reason for a secular public school system has been to unite the children of different races and cultural backgrounds to the common denominator of French mono-culturalism. 

But even so, I think it's a bit spiteful that the parents of Muslim kids are not allowed to pack a halal lunch for them on this one day of the school week when pork is served.

That seems unnecessarily vindictive to me.

I would still vote for them, but.  :P

Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:25pm:

Reclaiming their heritage? As garlic loving, surrender monkeys? I wasn't aware that they'd lost it.

5 million Muslims can make more than a little indent upon your ancestral national culture.


Quote:

This prison is majority Muslim — as is virtually every house of incarceration in France. About 60 to 70 percent of all inmates in the country’s prison system are Muslim, according to Muslim leaders, sociologists and researchers, though Muslims make up only about 12 percent of the country’s population. On a continent where immigrants and the children of immigrants are disproportionately represented in almost every prison system, the French figures are the most marked, according to researchers, criminologists and Muslim leaders.

“The high percentage of Muslims in prisons is a direct consequence of the failure of the integration of minorities in France,” said Moussa Khedimellah, a sociologist who has spent several years conducting research on Muslims in the French penal system.

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(It's NOT the fault of the Muslims ~ you FOOLS! It's SOCIETY that makes them commit crime! The Muslims in France's jails are the VICTIMS, you BASTARDS! ~)

*****


Quote:

In Britain, 11 percent of prisoners are Muslim in contrast to about 3 percent of all inhabitants, according to the Justice Ministry. Research by the Open Society Institute, an advocacy organization, shows that in the Netherlands 20 percent of adult prisoners and 26 percent of all juvenile offenders are Muslim; the country is about 5.5 percent Muslim. In Belgium, Muslims from Morocco and Turkey make up at least 16 percent of the prison population, compared with 2 percent of the general populace, the research found.

link

Horrific figures! ~ and meanwhile the politicians are STILL ignoring the elephant in the room.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 3:18pm: I don't mind a ham and cheese croissant every now and then but I am not a big fan of pork.....Some people don't even eat meat at all because they like vegetarian.....The French also eat horse meat snails and frogs legs which I would also avoid.....I have no problem if pork is on the menu as long as it is not the only thing on offer.....If this is claiming back any kind of heritage then the French don't have much to be proud of do they.....No wonder their country keeps getting invaded and losing wars!!! ;) ;) ;) This Le Pen party doesn't want the gap between Us and Them to keep growing ever wider due to endless government concessions to Muslim tradition and cultural sensitivities, and the whole reason for a secular public school system has been to unite the children of different races and cultural backgrounds to the common denominator of French mono-culturalism.  But even so, I think it's a bit spiteful that the parents of Muslim kids are not allowed to pack a halal lunch for them on this one day of the school week when pork is served. That seems unnecessarily vindictive to me. I would still vote for them, but.  :P

Tell me Herb if you know.....Are parents of children who are not Muslim allowed to pack an alternative lunch if they do not eat pork???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:46pm:

Tell me Herb if you know.....Are parents of children who are not Muslim allowed to pack an alternative lunch if they do not eat pork??? :-? :-? :-?

No idea.

A school lunch-box is just a small plastic box that can sit on a small child's knee.

It really is no big deal.

Topic is definitely in the wrong section....  and the OP is aware of this.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

National Front leader Marine Le Pen said on Friday it would prevent schools from offering non-pork alternatives to Muslim pupils in the 11 towns it won in local elections, saying such arrangements were contrary to France's secular values. France's republic has a strict secular tradition enforceable by law, but faith-related demands have risen in recent years, especially from the country's five-million-strong Muslim minority, the largest in Europe. 'We will not accept any religious demands in school menus,' Le Pen told RTL radio. 'There is no reason for religion to enter the public sphere, that's the law.' Please note: 'THAT'S THE LAW' Former president Nicolas Sarkozy then waded into the row suggesting that meat should be labelled to tell consumers how the animal was slaughtered, which Jews and Muslims reject because they fear it will lead to them being stigmatized. Hello? ... hello? Isn't this an admission of cruelty to the animals? Of course it is. Why else would they have to fear being stigmatised? link Islamisation-by-stealth is what's being addressed here ~ as well as reversing the luvvie's having waived the law to ingratiate with the Muslims to win their 5 million votes.

isn't it up to the school to decide what it feeds it's kids? If they want to feed non-pork, what are these ultra right loons doing stopping them? 

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

cods wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 4:14pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 3:18pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 3:08pm: National Front leader Marine Le Pen said on Friday it would prevent schools from offering non-pork alternatives to Muslim pupils in the 11 towns it won in local elections, saying such arrangements were contrary to France's secular values. France's republic has a strict secular tradition enforceable by law, but faith-related demands have risen in recent years, especially from the country's five-million-strong Muslim minority, the largest in Europe. 'We will not accept any religious demands in school menus,' Le Pen told RTL radio. 'There is no reason for religion to enter the public sphere, that's the law.' Please note: 'THAT'S THE LAW' Former president Nicolas Sarkozy then waded into the row suggesting that meat should be labelled to tell consumers how the animal was slaughtered, which Jews and Muslims reject because they fear it will lead to them being stigmatized. Hello? ... hello? Isn't this an admission of cruelty to the animals? Of course it is. Why else would they have to fear being stigmatised? link Islamisation-by-stealth is what's being addressed here ~ as well as reversing the luvvie's having waived the law to ingratiate with the Muslims to win their 5 million votes. I don't mind a ham and cheese croissant every now and then but I am not a big fan of pork.....Some people don't even eat meat at all because they like vegetarian.....The French also eat horse meat snails and frogs legs which I would also avoid.....I have no problem if pork is on the menu as long as it is not the only thing on offer.....If this is claiming back any kind of heritage then the French don't have much to be proud of do they.....No wonder their country keeps getting invaded and losing wars!!! ;) ;) ;) now now phil...you know what they say about "little acorns" dont you? and these type of laws are just the thin end of the wedge..... they usually start in the schools..this is where it happens without you really being aware of it.. I am sorry I am a "When in Rome do as the Romans do" kind of person. ...muslims know what they are heading into long before they arrive.....they have a choice.. no one is telling them to go live in a christian country...they choose to do so.. they by pass a muslim country to come here for instance. do you think every business should build a mosque so they have a place for prayer 5 times a day>??? I am happy to accommodate people but they want to change our way of life.. to become like theirs...at least thats the way I see it... sure it wont happen in my life time...but to me its just the beginning let them go where they dont breed pigs......simple. What is wrong with offering choice Cods.....Who is trying to change anyone's way of life.....by the way do you have any examples??? :-? :-? :-?

We will not accept any religious demands in school menus,' Le Pen told RTL radio. 'There is no reason for religion to enter the public sphere, that's the law.'



well phil  god has been removed from public schools by way of prayer...

as far as I know phil Jews dont eat anything from the pig or prawns..but they dont demand being notified...they work it out for themselves..

we know take away shops in certain parts of Sydney put Hala on their menus. this we know is a business move...

however..to me this is the thin end of the wedge...see the words FAITH RELATED DEMANDS HAVE RISEN..
I find it hard to believe schools in France only sell pork related food...





Muslims attending the German Islam Conference were apparently offended by the insinuation that Islam could be radical or violent.

A major conference on German-Muslim relations has ended in failure after Muslims attending the event refused to acknowledge the government's concerns about the threats to security posed by radical Islam.

German Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich had wanted the eighth annual German Islam Conference, held in Berlin on May 7, to focus on finding ways the government could work together with "moderate" Muslims in Germany to combat Islamism and extremism.

But Muslims attending the gathering were apparently offended by the insinuation that Islam could be radical or violent, and demanded instead that the German government take steps to make "Islam equal to Christianity" in Germany.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 4:46pm: Tell me Herb if you know.....Are parents of children who are not Muslim allowed to pack an alternative lunch if they do not eat pork??? :-? :-? :-? No idea. A school lunch-box is just a small plastic box that can sit on a small child's knee. It really is no big deal.

it must make it terribly hard for muslim children to get to make friends with a christian child...

thats pretty sad...

cods wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 4:51pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 4:46pm: Tell me Herb if you know.....Are parents of children who are not Muslim allowed to pack an alternative lunch if they do not eat pork??? :-? :-? :-? No idea. A school lunch-box is just a small plastic box that can sit on a small child's knee. It really is no big deal. it must make it terribly hard for muslim children to get to make friends with a christian child... thats pretty sad...

because they don't eat pork? You don't win friends with salad?  Is that really your argument?

Quote:

National Front leader Marine Le Pen said on Friday it would prevent schools from offering non-pork alternatives to Muslim pupils

The woman is full of HOT AIR

The ONLY way this ludicrous proposition could be achieved - would be to pass a law that ALL school meals must contain pork, bacon or ham

Stratos wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:11pm:

Herbert, why don't you just post these in Thinking Globally where they inevitably end up anyway?

That would also make things easier for the Moderators & I'm sure they would appreciate it!

Cliff48 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:

Topic is definitely in the wrong section....  and the OP is aware of this.

'OP' ?

I think you should report this to Aussie. He patrols the board 24/7 looking for duplication of threads, and misplacement, etc. He gets off on it.

Are you subbing for him or what? I'm not too sure he'll appreciate you muscling in on his turf like this.

Will Le Pen also ban vegetarian meals for Buddhists and Hindus? Because that is what extremist secularism would demand isn't it?

True Colours wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 8:10pm:

Will Le Pen also ban vegetarian meals for Buddhists and Hindus? Because that is what extremist secularism would demand isn't it?

How do you figure that? Halal slaughter is equivalent to no slaughter of any kind??  Secularism demands that you slaughter, one way or another, and eat meat???

You are out of your mind. What next? Not beheading anyone is the same as beheading all who laff at the prophet?

Jewish kids were given hell by the Muslim kids in the classrooms throughout France because of the Israeli/Palestinian rockets-across-the-borders fracas a while ago.

That's Muslim kids born in France to parents from North Africa and the Middle East. Wouldn't know 'Palestine' if they tripped over it.

Religious affiliation is their only motivation for harassing and bullying the Jews in the classroom.

I'd bugger these type of Muslims out of France on the next plane if I was running the show.

God willing ~ insh'Allah ~ Le Pens' National Front will win power before too long and start sorting out the wheat from the chaff among France's 5 million Muslims.

We had the same thing here at our universities where Jewish students had to stop wearing their yamulkes because they were being set upon by Muslim students who've never been anywhere near Palestine.

So much for 'multiculturalism'. Everyone else plays the game, but not the Muslims.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 6^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

Jewish kids were given hell by the Muslim kids in the classrooms throughout France because of the Israeli/Palestinian rockets-across-the-borders fracas a while ago. That's Muslim kids born in France to parents from North Africa and the Middle East. Wouldn't know 'Palestine' if they tripped over it. Religious affiliation is their only motivation for harassing and bullying the Jews in the classroom. I'd bugger these type of Muslims out of France on the next plane if I was running the show. God willing ~ insh'Allah ~ Le Pens' National Front will win power before too long and start sorting out the wheat from the chaff among France's 5 million Muslims. We had the same thing here at our universities where Jewish students had to stop wearing their yamulkes because they were being set upon by Muslim students who've never been anywhere near Palestine. So much for 'multiculturalism'. Everyone else plays the game, but not the Muslims.

So Herbert wants a fascist government in France.

His hatred of Muslims is that strong it blinds him to the dangers of Nazi type rule.

Sad, really.

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 15^th, 2014 at 8:43am:

So Herbert wants a fascist government in France. His hatred of Muslims is that strong it blinds him to the dangers of Nazi type rule. Sad, really.

I'm aware of the danger, and I've said many times in the past that voting for the Rightwing parties should only be for the purpose of scaring the Centre-Right parties into taking heed of what a sizeable section of the community is asking for: Stop further Muslim immigration, and start deporting the trouble-makers back to their country of origin ~ born there or not.

It never need come to the point of Rightwing parties actually getting elected into government ~ but that's entirely up to the existing parties, depending on whether or not they abandon the ideology of political correctness and the pandering to minorities for their vote.