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FORMER NSW Labor powerbroker and senator Mark Arbib was paid more than $60,000 by the now jailed Health Services Union boss Michael Williamson for a six-month consultancy between leaving his job as the party’s state secretary and taking a seat in federal parliament. Williamson authorised the payment of four cheques to Mr Arbib totalling $61,600 when he employed him between January 2008 and July that year.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/hsu-boss-michael-williamson-paid-mark-arbib-60k-for-consultancy/story-fn59noo3-1226875219398#

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 5:26pm:

Quote: FORMER NSW Labor powerbroker and senator Mark Arbib was paid more than $60,000 by the now jailed Health Services Union boss Michael Williamson for a six-month consultancy between leaving his job as the party’s state secretary and taking a seat in federal parliament. Williamson authorised the payment of four cheques to Mr Arbib totalling $61,600 when he employed him between January 2008 and July that year. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/hsu-boss-michael-williamson-paid-mark-arbib-60k-for-consultancy/story-fn59noo3-1226875219398#

Between?

I don't see an issue, sorry.

So according to Sprint, $60 000 for 6 months consultancy is some sort of evidence of corruption, but Sinidosis getting $200 000 for 100 hrs of work is legit?

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Poor little Sprinty is working himself into a lather again.

Just be thankful that this time it's not over photos of Mr Abbott in his speedos.

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

So according to Sprint, $60 000 for 6 months consultancy is some sort of evidence of corruption, but Sinidosis getting $200 000 for 100 hrs of work is legit? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

$200,000 for 100 hours is only $2k per hour charge out rate.
Might sound a lot sometimes but market rate consulting can be double that.

$2k per hour isn't that much more than my dad's rate and his is simple simulator pilot training.
So a senior politician is probably about right.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 6:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:02pm: So according to Sprint, $60 000 for 6 months consultancy is some sort of evidence of corruption, but Sinidosis getting $200 000 for 100 hrs of work is legit? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D $200,000 for 100 hours is only $2k per hour charge out rate. Might sound a lot sometimes but market rate consulting can be double that. $2k per hour isn't that much more than my dad's rate and his is simple simulator pilot training. So a senior politician is probably about right.

NO-ONE is worth $2k/hour.

Kat wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 6:47pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:02pm: So according to Sprint, $60 000 for 6 months consultancy is some sort of evidence of corruption, but Sinidosis getting $200 000 for 100 hrs of work is legit? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D $200,000 for 100 hours is only $2k per hour charge out rate. Might sound a lot sometimes but market rate consulting can be double that. $2k per hour isn't that much more than my dad's rate and his is simple simulator pilot training. So a senior politician is probably about right. NO-ONE is worth $2k/hour.

QCs charge double that and if they kept your butt out of a long jail sentence, they would certainly be worth it.

Mandy_oz wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 6:50pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:47pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:02pm: So according to Sprint, $60 000 for 6 months consultancy is some sort of evidence of corruption, but Sinidosis getting $200 000 for 100 hrs of work is legit? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D $200,000 for 100 hours is only $2k per hour charge out rate. Might sound a lot sometimes but market rate consulting can be double that. $2k per hour isn't that much more than my dad's rate and his is simple simulator pilot training. So a senior politician is probably about right. NO-ONE is worth $2k/hour. QCs charge double that and if they kept your butt out of a long jail sentence, they would certainly be worth it.

Really?

Click here.

Aussie wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 6:54pm:

Mandy_oz wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:50pm: Kat wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:47pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:02pm: So according to Sprint, $60 000 for 6 months consultancy is some sort of evidence of corruption, but Sinidosis getting $200 000 for 100 hrs of work is legit? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D $200,000 for 100 hours is only $2k per hour charge out rate. Might sound a lot sometimes but market rate consulting can be double that. $2k per hour isn't that much more than my dad's rate and his is simple simulator pilot training. So a senior politician is probably about right. NO-ONE is worth $2k/hour. QCs charge double that and if they kept your butt out of a long jail sentence, they would certainly be worth it. Really?

And you think because a web site claims QCs charge 'only $1000 that that is proof that others QCs don't?

Mandy_oz wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 6:50pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:47pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:02pm: So according to Sprint, $60 000 for 6 months consultancy is some sort of evidence of corruption, but Sinidosis getting $200 000 for 100 hrs of work is legit? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D $200,000 for 100 hours is only $2k per hour charge out rate. Might sound a lot sometimes but market rate consulting can be double that. $2k per hour isn't that much more than my dad's rate and his is simple simulator pilot training. So a senior politician is probably about right. NO-ONE is worth $2k/hour. QCs charge double that and if they kept your butt out of a long jail sentence, they would certainly be worth it.

I was commenting on what they're worth, not what they charge.

And as I have no plans for even a short jail sentence, your second point is moot.

Kat wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 6:47pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:02pm: So according to Sprint, $60 000 for 6 months consultancy is some sort of evidence of corruption, but Sinidosis getting $200 000 for 100 hrs of work is legit? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D $200,000 for 100 hours is only $2k per hour charge out rate. Might sound a lot sometimes but market rate consulting can be double that. $2k per hour isn't that much more than my dad's rate and his is simple simulator pilot training. So a senior politician is probably about right. NO-ONE is worth $2k/hour.

Its subjective actually.

Many years back I worked in Finance for a Consulting company and the VP rate was not far off $2k and that was a decade ago. Lord only know what it is now - I guess $3k plus.

When you consider the projects they work on (mergers of Exxon and Mobil, Glaxo and Smithkline etc) and the billions in revenue that is consolidated and added - their rate becomes a drop in the ocean Kat.

It's all relative. $2k is really bugger all in the scheme of things these days.

Eg our corp policy is anything under $5,000 is too insignificant to be capitalized on our balance sheet and just gets written off.

Kat wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 7:02pm:

Mandy_oz wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:50pm: Kat wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:47pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:02pm: So according to Sprint, $60 000 for 6 months consultancy is some sort of evidence of corruption, but Sinidosis getting $200 000 for 100 hrs of work is legit? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D $200,000 for 100 hours is only $2k per hour charge out rate. Might sound a lot sometimes but market rate consulting can be double that. $2k per hour isn't that much more than my dad's rate and his is simple simulator pilot training. So a senior politician is probably about right. NO-ONE is worth $2k/hour. QCs charge double that and if they kept your butt out of a long jail sentence, they would certainly be worth it. I was commenting on what they're worth, not what they charge. And as I have no plans for even a short jail sentence, your second point is moot.

I should have included the notion of being charged for instance with murder when you are actually innocent. You might not plan for a jail sentence but then again, who does?

Do you still think they are paid more than they are worth if they keep you out of Long Bay Jail for 30 years?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:47pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:02pm: So according to Sprint, $60 000 for 6 months consultancy is some sort of evidence of corruption, but Sinidosis getting $200 000 for 100 hrs of work is legit? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D $200,000 for 100 hours is only $2k per hour charge out rate. Might sound a lot sometimes but market rate consulting can be double that. $2k per hour isn't that much more than my dad's rate and his is simple simulator pilot training. So a senior politician is probably about right. NO-ONE is worth $2k/hour. Its subjective actually. Many years back I worked in Finance for a Consulting company and the VP rate was not far off $2k and that was a decade ago. Lord only know what it is now - I guess $3k plus. When you consider the projects they work on (mergers of Exxon and Mobil, Glaxo and Smithkline etc) and the billions in revenue that is consolidated and added - their rate becomes a drop in the ocean Kat. It's all relative. $2k is really bugger all in the scheme of things these days. Eg our corp policy is anything under $5,000 is too insignificant to be capitalized on our balance sheet and just gets written off.

About 15 years ago I was earning $150Kpa and my mother made the same unwelcome comment that ' no one is worth that kind of money'.

Did wonders for our relationship!

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And you think because a web site claims QCs charge 'only $1000 that that is proof that others QCs don't?

Yeas I do (in the broad sense of this discussion) ~  that combined with 33 years of experience.

You made the claim that QCs charge $4K per hour.  I thought I'd make the effort to show you how absurd that claim is.

Perhaps you can back your claim up with a link?

Aussie wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

Quote: And you think because a web site claims QCs charge 'only $1000 that that is proof that others QCs don't? Yeas I do (in the broad sense of this discussion) ~  that combined with 33 years of experience. You made the claim that QCs charge $4K per hour.  I thought I'd make the effort to show you how absurd that claim is. Perhaps you can back your claim up with a link?

I'd state again its all subjective and you can't say 'A QC costs this....' - because my answer is 'what QC?'

You reckon George Carmen's services were $2k? And the rest..

Aussie wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

Quote: And you think because a web site claims QCs charge 'only $1000 that that is proof that others QCs don't? Yeas I do (in the broad sense of this discussion) ~  that combined with 33 years of experience. You made the claim that QCs charge $4K per hour.  I thought I'd make the effort to show you how absurd that claim is. Perhaps you can back your claim up with a link?

For starters, the claim was made in the context of 'worth'. Secondly, do you really want to claim that no QC charges $4K per hour? Probably not many, but there only needs to be ONE to make the point.

Mandy_oz wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 7:23pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:12pm: Quote: And you think because a web site claims QCs charge 'only $1000 that that is proof that others QCs don't? Yeas I do (in the broad sense of this discussion) ~  that combined with 33 years of experience. You made the claim that QCs charge $4K per hour.  I thought I'd make the effort to show you how absurd that claim is. Perhaps you can back your claim up with a link? For starters, the claim was made in the context of 'worth'. Secondly, do you really want to claim that no QC charges $4K per hour? Probably not many, but there only needs to be ONE to make the point.

No link?  So, you are just baying into the breeze, and on a shotgun shooting expedition.  Right.  I get it.  Your claim was (in no 'worth' context):


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QCs charge double that.....

You did not claim that a QC charges (note 'charges' ~ not 'worth') double that.  You were clearly attempting to claim knowledge that it was standard and across the board that QCs charge double that.

You are posting rubbish of a kind I seem familiar with.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 6:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 6:02pm: So according to Sprint, $60 000 for 6 months consultancy is some sort of evidence of corruption, but Sinidosis getting $200 000 for 100 hrs of work is legit? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D $200,000 for 100 hours is only $2k per hour charge out rate. Might sound a lot sometimes but market rate consulting can be double that. $2k per hour isn't that much more than my dad's rate and his is simple simulator pilot training. So a senior politician is probably about right.

He's a politician ... what exactly do you think he is consulting on that is so valuable? And what does that say about Sprints theory with $60 000 for 6 months work?

Aussie wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

Mandy_oz wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:23pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:12pm: Quote: And you think because a web site claims QCs charge 'only $1000 that that is proof that others QCs don't? Yeas I do (in the broad sense of this discussion) ~  that combined with 33 years of experience. You made the claim that QCs charge $4K per hour.  I thought I'd make the effort to show you how absurd that claim is. Perhaps you can back your claim up with a link? For starters, the claim was made in the context of 'worth'. Secondly, do you really want to claim that no QC charges $4K per hour? Probably not many, but there only needs to be ONE to make the point. No link?  So, you are just baying into the breeze, and on a shotgun shooting expedition.  Right.  I get it.  Your claim was (in no 'worth' context): [quote]QCs charge double that.....

You did not claim that a QC charges (note 'charges' ~ not 'worth') double that.  You were clearly attempting to claim knowledge that it was standard and across the board that QCs charge double that.

You are posting rubbish of a kind I seem familiar with.
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Well I am sure that next time I post in a thread where you are I will ensure that every word, letter, phrase and inference is precise so there is no possibility you can deliberately misconstrue the meaning to lead to whatever fantasy you are currently living in.

I was replying to Kat about a QC defence which could quite conceivably cost $4K/hr.

and 'worth' is a subjective concept while 'cost' is not.

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Well I am sure that next time I post in a thread where you are I will ensure that every word, letter, phrase and inference is precise so there is no possibility you can deliberately misconstrue the meaning to lead to whatever fantasy you are currently living in.

Don't blame me for your loose language.  You write it, I read it.  Simple stuff, wot, even for you.


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I was replying to Kat about a QC defence which could quite conceivably cost $4K/hr. and 'worth' is a subjective concept while 'cost' is not.

That is sheer rubbish and flies in the face of everything you posted on this matter.

Do you want me to quote it all back at you....you know, like rubbing your nose into your own crap?