Like, wtf?!!?

How can anyone argue this forum is better than another when we've got spammed bunkum like this ... Everyone knows I got booted for less!

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 3:10pm:

Like, wtf?!!? How can anyone argue this forum is better than another when we've got spammed bunkum like this ... Everyone knows I got booted for less!

Who is everyone?

I am not in that group for a start.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 3:10pm:

Like, wtf?!!? How can anyone argue this forum is better than another when we've got spammed bunkum like this ... Everyone knows I got booted for less!

To be honest, I didn't even know you got booted. That must have been someone who simply does not do intellectual humour that booted you.

As to the spam thread, "spammed bunkum" may well be offensive to both spam and bunkum...

And, I suspect "unmoderated" because no one has (presently at least) effectively approached the moderators.

Which it seems is the standard that is set here. Ergo, no complaint, no moderation.

Which, therefore raises the question, are you complaining? I only ask to help clarify.

Phemanderac wrote on Apr 17^th, 2014 at 11:03pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 16th, 2014 at 3:10pm: Like, wtf?!!? How can anyone argue this forum is better than another when we've got spammed bunkum like this ... Everyone knows I got booted for less! To be honest, I didn't even know you got booted. That must have been someone who simply does not do intellectual humour that booted you. As to the spam thread, "spammed bunkum" may well be offensive to both spam and bunkum...

Not just a pretty face are ya  8-)

Phemanderac wrote on Apr 17^th, 2014 at 11:05pm:

And, I suspect "unmoderated" because no one has (presently at least) effectively approached the moderators. Which it seems is the standard that is set here. Ergo, no complaint, no moderation. Which, therefore raises the question, are you complaining? I only ask to help clarify.

Do you work in a government department higher than, say, level 3 or something  ::)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 7:21pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 16th, 2014 at 3:10pm: Like, wtf?!!? How can anyone argue this forum is better than another when we've got spammed bunkum like this ... Everyone knows I got booted for less! Who is everyone? I am not in that group for a start.

Seeing as you didn't do the booting as you weren't annointed at that time <shrugs...!>....

Yup, the NBN thread is spoiled by trolls like longweekend and roach.

Neither EVER engage in talk on the NBN or ICT more generally. First was roach pretending I had said telehealth involved diagnosis tho I had actually disclaimed that in one of my posts in the cesspit that roach linked. Then two posts by the same idiot were said to be by roach “more people. . . .”

Then he fell back on “IT changes quickly, we shouldn’t put all our eggs in the one FTTH basket” and this he eventually admitted meant wireless broadband. NO IT–savvy person would think even for a second that wireless could ever carry the bulk of the data—just not enough spectrum so too much contention etc.

Longweekend just says I want 4K TV and to play multiuser computer games. Wrong on both counts. He has NEVER argued the NBN in any real ACT way.

I no longer bother to comment on the subject, there are simply too many who think being able to turn a PC on and load a chat-forum makes them some kind of expert.

There was a poster, NBN Myths, who had a very good handle on what the NBN is all about, he was basically howled off the board by the above-mentioned so-called experts.

And I, also, with IT quals and thirty years experience, was told I 'know nothing'.

So why bother?

No point bothering now the Libs have killed the NBN.

I never claimed IT qualifications BTW, but did lots of reading. I did get a smidge of actual experience in IT in my businesses including setting up a multiuser database involving three workstations entering data into the database and updating the website for my home brew shop. That is all I ever claimed.

The bullies are slowly being weeded out from what I've noticed lately.

There are probably less than a handful left now, but they've become less aggressive. Just ignore them if they haven't got anything relevant to say.

mantra wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 9:14am:

The bullies are slowly being weeded out from what I've noticed lately. There are probably less than a handful left now, but they've become less aggressive. Just ignore them if they haven't got anything relevant to say.

It's the unborn being shafted: this country has no future in the Asian century AND WE BUILT CHINA  :-[ :-[ :-[

** Australia: hang your heads in shame!

The NBN Progress thread has been running for 6 months now.  There is a wealth of information contained in it that has probably informed many that only had knowledge about NBN as a political football and had (previously) little or no knowledge about either the politics or the technology involved.

Some. of course, argued from their rusted on political party beliefs, others argued from their technical knowledge and research.  In a political forum such as this, both sides should be heard.  Overall, it has been one of the best threads here (IMHO).

Sadly, in the last few weeks one person is attempting to start a flame war that is totally unrelated to the NBN and even states that some of his antagonism is imported from another forum.

I am surprised that there has been no moderator intervention, but if that takes a complaint from a member to do so, please let me know how to make a complaint as there is no instruction as to how to do so.

Cliff48 wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

The NBN Progress thread has been running for 6 months now.  There is a wealth of information contained in it that has probably informed many that only had knowledge about NBN as a political football and had (previously) little or no knowledge about either the politics or the technology involved. Some. of course, argued from their rusted on political party beliefs, others argued from their technical knowledge and research.  In a political forum such as this, both sides should be heard.  Overall, it has been one of the best threads here (IMHO). Sadly, in the last few weeks one person is attempting to start a flame war that is totally unrelated to the NBN and even states that some of his antagonism is imported from another forum. I am surprised that there has been no moderator intervention, but if that takes a complaint from a member to do so, please let me know how to make a complaint as there is no instruction as to how to do so.

I believe we are now doing that complaint... possibly not through official enough channels but who cares meh  8-)

It's the feedback thread and this forum is staking its own credibility against a piss poor one so once again, who cares meh!!  ::)

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 12:28pm:

Cliff48 wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 12:01pm: The NBN Progress thread has been running for 6 months now.  There is a wealth of information contained in it that has probably informed many that only had knowledge about NBN as a political football and had (previously) little or no knowledge about either the politics or the technology involved. Some. of course, argued from their rusted on political party beliefs, others argued from their technical knowledge and research.  In a political forum such as this, both sides should be heard.  Overall, it has been one of the best threads here (IMHO). Sadly, in the last few weeks one person is attempting to start a flame war that is totally unrelated to the NBN and even states that some of his antagonism is imported from another forum. I am surprised that there has been no moderator intervention, but if that takes a complaint from a member to do so, please let me know how to make a complaint as there is no instruction as to how to do so. I believe we are now doing that complaint... possibly not through official enough channels but who cares meh  8-) It's the feedback thread and this forum is staking its own credibility against a piss poor one so once again, who cares meh!!  ::)

DRAH

I prefer to offer my feedback in a civil way and without unnecessary expletives.  I would appreciate if you didn't piggyback your coarse comments on mine.

Much appreciated.

Send a PM to myself, Muso, Perceptions Now or Andrei Hicks.

No more NBN so no more thread on the NBN.

St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 21^st, 2014 at 9:42pm:

No more NBN so no more thread on the NBN.

Now we get to choose some rock n roll for the funeral!

For such a good bloke in the making- one who you used to roll a joint and share dreams of infinity with- I choose to send the NBN to its grave with

http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dr0hTE_oFOoQ%26feature%3Dkp&cd=1&ved=0CEQQyCkwAA&usg=AFQjCNFHGEhRt5CD82css3eeUzuVRDtAyw&sig2=OOWMN1bjwXHDZwwSyXloWg

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2014 at 9:30pm:

Send a PM to myself, Muso, Perceptions Now or Andrei Hicks.

You are aware of it ...  you do nothing, so therefore approve ....   why waste my time  :(

Cliff48 wrote on Apr 26^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 21st, 2014 at 9:30pm: Send a PM to myself, Muso, Perceptions Now or Andrei Hicks. You are aware of it ...  you do nothing, so therefore approve ....   why waste my time  :(

I've seen the trolling and disruption too. You'll have to report it by message directly to one of the global moderators. One of them might take it seriously.

I like a forum of dobbers and crybabies. Especially ones that have trolls crying troll.

RabbitO8 wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 7:48am:

I like a forum of dobbers and crybabies. Especially ones that have trolls crying troll.

Try this forum.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/polanimal/index.php?sid=dc6413ee5a49c0ff9ba3c4701100803a

The biggest troll, crybaby and dobber of all online forums is the new moderator. He's running out of people to dob in and ban - you'll give him some fresh blood.

Seems like all the crybabies must be here then.

RabbitO8 wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 7:55am:

Seems like all the crybabies must be here then.

No - most of the members don't bother whinging directly to the mods that often. This is why the membership is so large. Usually only serial pests get reported.

Thanks, you've just been reported as a serial pest.

RabbitO8 wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 8:05am:

Thanks, you've just been reported as a serial pest.

Maybe you should apply for a job here as a global moderator? I bet you've got experience at moderating - that will go in your favour.

mantra wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 7:44am:

Cliff48 wrote on Apr 26th, 2014 at 1:10pm: freediver wrote on Apr 21st, 2014 at 9:30pm: Send a PM to myself, Muso, Perceptions Now or Andrei Hicks. You are aware of it ...  you do nothing, so therefore approve ....   why waste my time  :( I've seen the trolling and disruption too. You'll have to report it by message directly to one of the global moderators. One of them might take it seriously.

I decided against reporting it for 2 reasons:

1) I can't find an option on the page for sending a PM  :(
and
2) I am not sure that trolling, even repeatedly to cause disruption, is actually  against the rules.  Admittedly, Andrei did delete someone's post because he believed it was idiotic, and I'm not sure that was against any rule either.  So if someone else decides to complain to a mod, Andrei might be the one to go to  :)

I have sent a complaint to FD. Grendel quoted something and said that was from a post of mine on PA. Didn’t look like my wording and Grendell wouldn’t provide a link. Aussie—becoming a computer guru late in life  ;D —must have googled the wording and found the quote was from businesswire.com not me at all. And it was about eHealth not telehealth  ;D ;D ;D

Maybe Grendell should join or replace DRAH in exile from the Politics Sucks board?

St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

I have sent a complaint to FD. roach quoted something and said that was from a post of mine on PA. Didn’t look like my wording and roach wouldn’t provide a link. Aussie—becoming a computer guru late in life  ;D —must have googled the wording and found the quote was from businesswire.com not me at all. And it was about eHealth not telehealth  ;D ;D ;D Maybe roach should join or replace DRAH in exile from the Politics Sucks board?

George, while I agree with you I must state that calling the person "roach" does not really help your cause.

He has proved himself to be a liar and trouble maker = using disparaging  nicknames for him reduces your position.

Cliff48 wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 3:31pm:

George, while I agree with you I must state that calling the person "roach" does not really help your cause. He has proved himself to be a liar and trouble maker = using disparaging  nicknames for him reduces your position.

Roach is one of his other nicknames. He uses a picture of a cockroach for his avatar on another board.  ;D

Trolling is not against the rules. This is a politics forum.

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:

Trolling is not against the rules. This is a politics forum.

True, but when it gets to the stage of silencing posters or driving them away, as it
already has with several members, then that's not so good.....  :( :( :(

For myself, there is a small but vocal group who'd obviously prefer that I was not
a member, and are quite abusive towards me, no matter what or where I post.

But I won't give them the satisfaction of resigning, and I hope it galls the hell out
of them.

No names, no pack-drill, but they know who they are, as do most others.

If they are posting personal insults, report them. Disagreeing and criticising your views is not abuse, even if they make a habit of it.

This kind of stuff to me speaks to the integrity, not only of individual posters, but the entire community that is the Oz Politics board.

Now I am generally one of the first to say that ideals (like integrity) are fairly subjective things that are fluid and open to individual interpretation. However, the other "reality" is that perceptions are also linked here and perceptions are not necessarily based in fact.

All of that said, to my mind (just my opinion) reactive moderation is not demonstrative of a high level of "community" integrity. Of course I understand that moderators are volunteers who do this in their spare time only. Obviously that means there will be some limitations naturally to levels of how proactive moderators can get. However, it does not seem that there is any degree of significant proactive moderation here.

Just by the by and a bit off topic. I think it is important to point out to some here, who by virtue of what they say and  at times how they say it may need a bit of a reminder that the exact same laws (particularly about stalking, bullying, degrading, libel etc) that would come into play in Real Life, can be enforced equally regarding online activities. Your perceived anonymity no longer equates to a virtual "get outta Gaol" free card.

The consequence of that, for me, is that I will not waste my time PMing moderators seeking permission (as it were) for them to act. However, if a legal line is crossed I will, without fear, favor or apology take what I personally deem to be appropriate actions externally to protect my well being, interests and person.

As I have demonstrated, I will inform you via feedback generally.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

If they are posting personal insults, report them. Disagreeing and criticising your views is not abuse, even if they make a habit of it.

um, are you a computer?  :-?

DRAH, this is your computer speaking. It's past your bedtime.

freediver wrote on May 4^th, 2014 at 9:54pm:

DRAH, this is your computer speaking. It's past your bedtime.

D'oh, http://www.bbcentertainment.com.au/Uploads/Images/fatcat.jpg is always watching and now he is an internet forum moderator no one appears to be safe lol!

http://robertwoodsdvm.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/fat-cat_caution_640.jpg

mantra wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 7:51am:

RabbitO8 wrote on Apr 27th, 2014 at 7:48am: I like a forum of dobbers and crybabies. Especially ones that have trolls crying troll. Try this forum. http://www.ozpolitic.com/polanimal/index.php?sid=dc6413ee5a49c0ff9ba3c4701100803a The biggest troll, crybaby and dobber of all online forums is the new moderator. He's running out of people to dob in and ban - you'll give him some fresh blood.

The biggest crybabies of all at Political Animal are the two most actively whingeing in this thread:  mantra and George.  Where ever they go they just can't help themselves :)