I can't take anymore of this,this is sick,no muslim can justify himself anymore:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27049803

I'll use the BBC as a reference because I can't be bothered with petty,lame excuses about biased media.Without doubt,islam is the devils work.How long do we turn the other cheek before we put this vile cult down for good?

brumbie wrote on Apr 17^th, 2014 at 8:18pm:

I can't take anymore of this,this is sick,no muslim can justify himself anymore: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27049803 I'll use the BBC as a reference because I can't be bothered with petty,lame excuses about biased media.Without doubt,islam is the devils work.How long do we turn the other cheek before we put this vile cult down for good?

They want to create another Islamic state where they are. Have they thought of applying for migration rights to one of the Muslim countries?

Maybe someone should tell them that millions of Muslims from Islamic countries have been deserting their ancestral homelands to go worship Mammon in the West where countries are run by infidels, and are populated by non-Muslim majorities.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 17^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

brumbie wrote on Apr 17th, 2014 at 8:18pm: I can't take anymore of this,this is sick,no muslim can justify himself anymore: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27049803 I'll use the BBC as a reference because I can't be bothered with petty,lame excuses about biased media.Without doubt,islam is the devils work.How long do we turn the other cheek before we put this vile cult down for good? They want to create another Islamic state where they are. Have they thought of applying for migration rights to one of the Muslim countries?

That's so true, Herbie. They've even colonised your local library, no?

Next step, the public toilets.

Can you hear the deafening silence of the so called "moderate muslim"

He doesn't exist as Yadda has explained to us many a time.

I feel as though we are watching a game of Chess being played and the whole audience knows the winning moves but not the bloody player.

He normally follows Soren around like a puppy Herb,you must of offended his sense of purpose somewhere down the line.

brumbie wrote on Apr 17^th, 2014 at 9:33pm:

Can you hear the deafening silence of the so called "moderate muslim" He doesn't exist as Yadda has explained to us many a time. I feel as though we are watching a game of Chess being played and the whole audience knows the winning moves but not the bloody player.

Do you?

brumbie wrote on Apr 17^th, 2014 at 9:36pm:

He normally follows Soren around like a puppy Herb,you must of offended his sense of purpose somewhere down the line.

He only pesters those who cause him the most anxiety due to the content of their posts being the most convincing. Those he doesn't fear, he leaves alone.

Everybody keeps a pet of some sort, even if it's only a small rock, and in freediver's case it amuses him to keep Karnal as an unleashed pet Troll running around the threads being as disruptive as a drunk heckler at a Teetotalers Convention.

I don't respond to him any more because I came to realise it's not conversation he's looking for but a chance to calm his fears by heckling those he believes are the most threatening to his sense of emotional equanimity.

Karnal is good value. His Karzai posts were classic.

brumbie wrote on Apr 17^th, 2014 at 8:18pm:

I can't take anymore of this,this is sick,no muslim can justify himself anymore: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27049803 I'll use the BBC as a reference because I can't be bothered with petty,lame excuses about biased media.Without doubt,islam is the devils work. How long do we turn the other cheek before we put this vile cult down for good?

'Suck it up', brunbie, moslems are not bad people.         :P



Maybe members of Boko-Haram could apply for asylum in Australia [because clearly these members of Boko-Haram have been traumatised AND PERSECUTED!!!! by those who oppose them] ?

Yes, these poor, poor, misguided Boko-Haram cadres deserve to be able to come to Australia as asylum seekers!

Sarah Hanson-Young could advocate for these misguided miscreants to be welcomed into Australia, so that Australians like herself could reform these poor misguided and traumatised souls.

Yes, if we just let these poor souls [these poor, poor, misguided Boko-Haram cadres] come to Australia, we [Australians] could solve all of the worlds problems.           :P

And i'm going to be voting 'Green' at the next election, because i want to be part of the solution!!!

brumbie wrote on Apr 17^th, 2014 at 9:33pm:

Can you hear the deafening silence of the so called "moderate muslim" He doesn't exist as Yadda has explained to us many a time. I feel as though we are watching a game of Chess being played and the whole audience knows the winning moves but not the bloody player.

That Yadda, doesn't know shite!!!!!

He/she only spreads intolerant, and extremist views!


:o




Just ask Wally1 !!!!!

100 schoolgirls kidnapped by Boko-Haram.

So what! So what!

Such conduct is NOT unlawful! - Mohammed [by his example] said it is OK for moslem men [like himself] to abduct and to rape women you have captured, as recorded in the Hadith....




Quote:

"We went out with Allah's Messenger" = = Mohammed was in the company of these men. "on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women" = = it was some form of raiding party, where they, 'took captive some excellent Arab women'. "and we desired them" = = hmmmm, i wonder what that means? "for we were suffering from the absence of our wives" = = ah, in the absence they wives, they desired these women for sex, to satisfy their sexual lust. "(but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them." = = in their minds, they sought to sexually 'use' these captive Arab women, and then let their menfolk redeem them. "So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them" = = yep, Allah's finest, sought to sexually 'use' these 'excellent' captive Arab women.

Those [above] extracts from the Hadith are cited, with references, here;

Bikeway rapist gets 25 years in jail
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251431040/8#8





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John 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35  And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 8:02am:

Karnal is good value. His Karzai posts were classic.

He must have left a $3000 bottle of plonk on your doorstep sometime.

Go on ~ deny it.

Tell us you don't remember.

We'll believe you.  ::)

Just admit you like having a pet troll on the loose here.

brumbie wrote on Apr 17^th, 2014 at 9:33pm:

Can you hear the deafening silence of the so called "moderate muslim" He doesn't exist as Yadda has explained to us many a time. I feel as though we are watching a game of Chess being played and the whole audience knows the winning moves but not the bloody player.

What exactly do you expect us to say? Your comment in the OP said it all: "no muslim can justify himself anymore". You don't want a discussion, you want a lynching -  and you expect muslims to willingly offer themselves up for sacrifice.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 8:42am:

brumbie wrote on Apr 17th, 2014 at 9:33pm: Can you hear the deafening silence of the so called "moderate muslim" He doesn't exist as Yadda has explained to us many a time. I feel as though we are watching a game of Chess being played and the whole audience knows the winning moves but not the bloody player. What exactly do you expect us to say? Your comment in the OP said it all: "no muslim can justify himself anymore". You don't want a discussion, you want a lynching -  and you expect muslims to willingly offer themselves up for sacrifice.

gandalf,

Repentance ?

......In the form of your condemnation of ISLAM [which permits makes lawful such conduct], would be good.







gandalf,

my post #10.....


Quote:

100 schoolgirls kidnapped by Boko-Haram. So what! So what! Such conduct is NOT unlawful! - Mohammed [by his example] said it is OK for moslem men [like himself] to abduct and to rape women you have captured, as recorded in the Hadith....

Gandalf wrote:

Quote:

What exactly do you expect us to say?

Just keep lying Gandi, tell everyone it's got noting to do with the hate, malevolence and perversion spouted by islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an.

moses wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

Just keep lying Gandi, tell everyone it's got noting to do with the hate, malevolence and perversion spouted by islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an.

why would you beleive it is?

muslims themselves firmly believe that they can justify their atrocities, by citing allah, muhammad, islam and the qur'an.

They whip themselves into a glassy eyed frenzy, shouting the islamic death chant "allahua akbar" as they commit the most inhumane deeds possible against their fellow man.

The muslims who sit at home and deny that the conglomeration of evil (islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an) is to blame, are the passive supporters of these atrocities.

It seems they couldn't wait until death before getting their 72 virgins.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 6:27am:

brumbie wrote on Apr 17th, 2014 at 9:36pm: He normally follows Soren around like a puppy Herb,you must of offended his sense of purpose somewhere down the line. He only pesters those who cause him the most anxiety due to the content of their posts being the most convincing. Those he doesn't fear, he leaves alone. Everybody keeps a pet of some sort, even if it's only a small rock, and in freediver's case it amuses him to keep Karnal as an unleashed pet Troll running around the threads being as disruptive as a drunk heckler at a Teetotalers Convention. I don't respond to him any more because I came to realise it's not conversation he's looking for but a chance to calm his fears by heckling those he believes are the most threatening to his sense of emotional equanimity.

Emotional equanimity? Surely this isn’t the same Herbert who said he belonged to not one - but three - different neo-Nazi organizations back in the 1970s. Surely it’s not the same Herbert who believes a war is inevitable between the brown peoples of the world and their multiculturalist bedfellows against decent white folk like Herbie (who, alas, will not be around to fight). Surely not the same Herbert who believes the Holocaust was just a drop in the ocean if the brown people keep breeding at the current rate and will - inevitably - need to be liquidated to make way for the white man’s rise back to power. Surely not that Herbert?

Shurely shome mishtake.

That Herbert’s posts are so unconvincing he peppers them with little stories he heard on talkback radio and makes his own. And the stories are so unconvincing they come with little links - the local library becomes the state library. Local news comes from the UK Mirror. And he pumps it out at a rate so intended that if you blink, you miss it, each new fib a testament to a life on borrowed time, a glorious death, a life in the struggle - Mein Kampf.

Not that Herbert? 

moses wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 11:25am:

muslims themselves firmly believe that they can justify their atrocities, by citing allah, muhammad, islam and the qur'an. They whip themselves into a glassy eyed frenzy, shouting the islamic death chant "allahua akbar" as they commit the most inhumane deeds possible against their fellow man. The muslims who sit at home and deny that the conglomeration of evil (islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an) is to blame, are the passive supporters of these atrocities.

all rubbish but just wanted to see where you were coming from. I can see you are just another of lifes losers projectile vomiting your own insecurities onto others.

All you have to do is prove that muslims who are committing atrocities on a daily basis in 2014, do not believe they are observing the commands of allah, the preachings of muhammad, the teachings of islam, and the verses in the qur'an.

If you can't, then I'll take their atrocities and islamic doctrines, as being inextricably linked.

Over to you, prove me wrong.

ian wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 2:35pm:

moses wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 11:25am: muslims themselves firmly believe that they can justify their atrocities, by citing allah, muhammad, islam and the qur'an. They whip themselves into a glassy eyed frenzy, shouting the islamic death chant "allahua akbar" as they commit the most inhumane deeds possible against their fellow man. The muslims who sit at home and deny that the conglomeration of evil (islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an) is to blame, are the passive supporters of these atrocities. all rubbish but just wanted to see where you were coming from. I can see .....you are just another of lifes losers projectile vomiting your own insecurities onto others.

ian,

If what moses stated is "all rubbish", then can you please post a link for us, just one ?

A link to the online Koran which moderate moslems read, to inspire their moderate version of ISLAM ?

Come on ian, it should not be difficult for you, because what moses stated was a load rubbish.





p.s.
Here is a link to that other Koran [i.e. the real one]...

http://quran.com/9/111

It seems that Nigeria's Christian army continues its crimes and lies:


Quote:

Mystery surrounds the fate of more than 100 teenage girls who were abducted from a school in the remote north-east of Nigeria. The military says all but eight of the 129 girls have escaped, but parents of the girls say many are still missing... ...A local politician said about 50 soldiers had been stationed near the school... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27049803

The Nigerian government keeps blaming Muslims even though the perpetrators always seem to show up in Nigerian army uniforms:




Quote:

attacked by gunmen in military uniforms http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/africa/2014-02/17/c_133119513.htm

Quote:

The senator claimed that the attackers were all dressed in military uniform and spoke English language which was a departure from the Hausa and Kanuri language spoken by the Boko Haram insurgents. http://allafrica.com/stories/201404140500.html

Quote:

in military uniforms http://www.herald.co.zw/87-dead-as-boko-haram-attacks-nigerian-town/

moses wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 2:50pm:

All you have to do is prove that muslims who are committing atrocities on a daily basis in 2014, do not believe they are observing the commands of allah, the preachings of muhammad, the teachings of islam, and the verses in the qur'an. If you can't, then I'll take their atrocities and islamic doctrines, as being inextricably linked. Over to you, prove me wrong.

there is zero dispute that there are far more terrorist acts and atrocities committed daily by "Christians" than by Muslims. 

I take it you are backing away from the request to prove that muslims don't commit atrocities in accordance with the teachings of: islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an.

 

True Colours wrote on Apr 19^th, 2014 at 8:22pm:

It seems that Nigeria's Christian army continues its crimes and lies: Quote: Mystery surrounds the fate of more than 100 teenage girls who were abducted from a school in the remote north-east of Nigeria. The military says all but eight of the 129 girls have escaped, but parents of the girls say many are still missing... ...A local politician said about 50 soldiers had been stationed near the school... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27049803 The Nigerian government keeps blaming Muslims even though the perpetrators always seem to show up in Nigerian army uniforms: [quote] attacked by gunmen in military uniforms http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/africa/2014-02/17/c_133119513.htm

Quote:

The senator claimed that the attackers were all dressed in military uniform and spoke English language which was a departure from the Hausa and Kanuri language spoken by the Boko Haram insurgents. http://allafrica.com/stories/201404140500.html

Quote:

in military uniforms http://www.herald.co.zw/87-dead-as-boko-haram-attacks-nigerian-town/

[/quote]

I don't see anything there about Nigerian army uniforms.


Quote:

there is zero dispute that there are far more terrorist acts and atrocities committed daily by "Christians" than by Muslims.

Sure, if you count graffiti as terrorism, there is no dispute at all.

An update on the muslims and their atrocities


Quote:

Soldiers hunt for girl hostages Updated: 14:44, Tuesday April 22, 2014 Nigerian soldiers and vigilantes are hunting 'around the clock' for the Islamist fighters holding scores of schoolgirls hostage, an official says, as locals claimed the number kidnapped was far higher than first reported. The mass abduction blamed on Boko Haram militants in northeastern Borno state has been described as one of the most shocking attacks in the group's five-year extremist insurgency. Borno's government has said 129 students were taken from the Government Girls Secondary School in Chibok when gunmen stormed the town under the cover of darkness on April 14. Isa Gusau, a spokesman for Borno's Governor Kashim Shettima, said that 52 had escaped so far, after seven more girls were found safe on Monday. Two ran to the state capital Maiduguri, while five others found their way home, he said. 'With this development, we now have 77 girls still in the custody of their abductors,' Gusau said. 'This is the most trying moment Governor Shettima has faced in the last three years,' he said. 'A security (operation) has been put in place to rescue the remaining girls,' he said, saying this included soldiers and members of a civilian force that formed last year to help the military fight Boko Haram. 'We are working around the clock to ensure all of them are freed unharmed,' he said. Gusau's figures were disputed Monday by the school's principal, Asabe Kwambura, who said she was working with parents to compile a complete registry of those taken. 'A total of 230 names' were registered by parents, she said. 'So far, 43 girls have escaped on their own. We still have 187 missing.' Officials in Borno did not answer calls and text messages seeking clarification on the principal's figures. Locals re-issued a plea to Boko Haram to show mercy, but the Islamists, blamed for killing thousands across the region, have so far not commented on the abductions. The group's name translates as 'Western education is forbidden,' and the militants have repeatedly attacked schools and universities during an uprising aimed at creating a strict Islamic state in northern Nigeria. Students have been massacred while sleeping in their dormitories, but a mass kidnapping specifically targeting girls is unprecedented and has been condemned worldwide. Some of the girls who escaped have said the Islamists took the hostages to Borno's Sambisa Forest area, where Boko Haram is known to have well-fortified camps. Parents have trekked through the bushlands of the remote region in a desperate search for their daughters, pooling money to buy fuel for motorcycles and cars. Some turned back after being warned that the Islamists were nearby and prepared to slaughter anyone who advanced further. The kidnapping came hours after the deadliest attack ever in Nigeria's capital, a bomb blast at a crowded bus station that killed at least 75 people. Boko Haram's leader Abubakar Shekau has claimed responsibility for that attack. source

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2014 at 7:11pm:

[ Sure, if you count graffiti as terrorism, there is no dispute at all.

I dont count graffitti as terrorism, why would you?

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2014 at 7:11pm:

True Colours wrote on Apr 19th, 2014 at 8:22pm: It seems that Nigeria's Christian army continues its crimes and lies: Quote: Mystery surrounds the fate of more than 100 teenage girls who were abducted from a school in the remote north-east of Nigeria. The military says all but eight of the 129 girls have escaped, but parents of the girls say many are still missing... ...A local politician said about 50 soldiers had been stationed near the school... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27049803 The Nigerian government keeps blaming Muslims even though the perpetrators always seem to show up in Nigerian army uniforms: [quote] attacked by gunmen in military uniforms http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/africa/2014-02/17/c_133119513.htm [quote]The senator claimed that the attackers were all dressed in military uniform and spoke English language which was a departure from the Hausa and Kanuri language spoken by the Boko Haram insurgents. http://allafrica.com/stories/201404140500.html

Quote:

in military uniforms http://www.herald.co.zw/87-dead-as-boko-haram-attacks-nigerian-town/

[/quote]

I don't see anything there about Nigerian army uniforms.


Quote:

there is zero dispute that there are far more terrorist acts and atrocities committed daily by "Christians" than by Muslims.

Sure, if you count graffiti as terrorism, there is no dispute at all.[/quote]

Come now, FD, fair’s fair. Y’s posts are hardly graffiti. They’re logical pleas for sanity in an insane world.

You know, in an alternate universe and everything.

If it wasn’t for Y, Moslem child marriers, library book thieves and lip and eyelid sewers would get off scott free.

ian wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 7:43pm:

I dont count graffitti as terrorism, why would you?

FD's trying to discredit the exact same European and FBI reports that he himself cited in defense of muslims before he found rabid islamophobia hip. Reports that demonstrate the overwhelming majority of terrorist attacks in the US and Europe come from non-muslims.

Needless to say, the non-muslim attacks were not made up of harmless graffiti.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 8:11pm:

ian wrote on Apr 22nd, 2014 at 7:43pm: I dont count graffitti as terrorism, why would you? FD's trying to discredit the exact same European and FBI reports that he himself cited in defense of muslims before he found rabid islamophobia hip. Reports that demonstrate the overwhelming majority of terrorist attacks in the US and Europe come from non-muslims. Needless to say, the non-muslim attacks were not made up of harmless graffiti.

Oh, I don’t know. I’d call the Oklahoma bombing a work of art, but that’s just me.

I don’t know much about art, but I know what I like.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 8:11pm:

ian wrote on Apr 22nd, 2014 at 7:43pm: I dont count graffitti as terrorism, why would you? FD's trying to discredit the exact same European and FBI reports that he himself cited in defense of muslims before he found rabid islamophobia hip. Reports that demonstrate the overwhelming majority of terrorist attacks in the US and Europe come from non-muslims. Needless to say, the non-muslim attacks were not made up of harmless graffiti.

Do you agree with me that Ian's claim is complete BS?


ian wrote on Apr 19^th, 2014 at 8:57pm:

there is zero dispute that there are far more terrorist acts and atrocities committed daily by "Christians" than by Muslims.

freediver wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 9:29pm:

Do you agree with me that Ian's claim is complete BS?

I don't think they are specifically 'christian'. Most terrorism in Europe is committed by (non-muslim) separatist nationalists.

He was not talking about Europe. Europe does not get daily terrorist attacks, unless of course you count graffiti.

here ya go FD, enjoy


Quote:

Europol Report: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 99.6% that Aren’t The results are stark, and prove decisively that not all terrorists are Muslims.  In fact, a whopping 99.6% of terrorist attacks in Europe were by non-Muslim groups; a good 84.8% of attacks were from separatist groups completely unrelated to Islam.  Leftist groups accounted for over sixteen times as much terrorism as radical Islamic groups.  Only a measly 0.4% of terrorist attacks from 2006 to 2008 could be attributed to extremist Muslims. Here are the official tables provided in the reports…

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

Ah yes, but that 0.4% (from 2006 - 2008) are diabolically sinister.

And they don’t like demokracy.

Typical.

ian wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 10:36pm:

here ya go FD, enjoy Quote: Europol Report: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 99.6% that Aren’t The results are stark, and prove decisively that not all terrorists are Muslims.  In fact, a whopping 99.6% of terrorist attacks in Europe were by non-Muslim groups; a good 84.8% of attacks were from separatist groups completely unrelated to Islam.  Leftist groups accounted for over sixteen times as much terrorism as radical Islamic groups.  Only a measly 0.4% of terrorist attacks from 2006 to 2008 could be attributed to extremist Muslims. Here are the official tables provided in the reports… http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

ian,

That is because; 'The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace.',
and ISLAM "rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.".

:P

Honest!



Quote:

A body representing British 'mainstream' moslems, The Muslim Council of Britain, declares on its website, that ISLAM is a philosophy which condemns extremism and violence.... [quote] Rejecting Terror Thursday, 11 April 2013 Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent. There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith. The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace. It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewstemplate&catid=82:mcb-news
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

[/quote]i

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FROM THE SUNNA OF 'PEACE-LOVING' MOHAMMED


Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062




ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."



"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadith/bukhari #001.002.025




"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Hey, whatever happened to the rules anyway?


Quote:

3. Excessive use of large and coloured font (also known colloquially as "using crayons") - that make posts messy and difficult to read.

moses wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

I take it you are backing away from the request to prove that muslims don't commit atrocities in accordance with the teachings of: islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an.

A lot of violent wackjobs try to justify their actions by using religion, it should be noted that the vast majority of the worlds Muslims are entirely peaceful and want the same security and prosperity for their families that you and I do. Im on record as stating that I beleive Middle eastern culture incompatible with western society as far as immigration goes but the distinction needs to be made between culture and religion, and my point here is that vastly more Christians use their religion as an excuse for their violent actions than Muslims do.

Stratos wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 10:18am:

Hey, whatever happened to the rules anyway? Quote: 3. Excessive use of large and coloured font (also known colloquially as "using crayons") - that make posts messy and difficult to read.

'ISLAM is mostly a non-violent philosophy', was the proposition that is being presented.

Whatever happened to addressing the issues i have raised ?

And addressing the inconsistencies in ian's argument / statistics, that i have HIGHLIGHTED ?

ian wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 10:50am:

moses wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 12:01pm: I take it you are backing away from the request to prove that muslims don't commit atrocities in accordance with the teachings of: islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an.   A lot of violent wackjobs try to justify their actions by using religion, it should be noted that the vast majority of the worlds Muslims are entirely peaceful and want the same security and prosperity for their families that you and I do. Im on record as stating that I beleive Middle eastern culture incompatible with western society as far as immigration goes but the distinction needs to be made between culture and religion, and my point here is that vastly more Christians use their religion as an excuse for their violent actions than Muslims do.

Why is it when we try to discuss the issues involving radical Islamics we get these same responses? It's almost likes it's out of bounds or something.

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 10:57am:

Stratos wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 10:18am: Hey, whatever happened to the rules anyway? Quote: 3. Excessive use of large and coloured font (also known colloquially as "using crayons") - that make posts messy and difficult to read. 'ISLAM is mostly a non-violent philosophy', was the proposition that is being presented. Whatever happened to addressing the issues i have raised ? And addressing the inconsistencies in ian's argument / statistics, that i have HIGHLIGHTED ?

Er, no.  Ian provided a statistic, you sprouted the same few passages that you always do in bright colours and large font, which is allegedly against the rule of this forum.

Why do you think the rate of terrorism is so low if your statements is true?  Maybe you could retort with some statistics to counter his?

Sparky wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 10:59am:

ian wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 10:50am: moses wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 12:01pm: I take it you are backing away from the request to prove that muslims don't commit atrocities in accordance with the teachings of: islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an.   A lot of violent wackjobs try to justify their actions by using religion, it should be noted that the vast majority of the worlds Muslims are entirely peaceful and want the same security and prosperity for their families that you and I do. Im on record as stating that I beleive Middle eastern culture incompatible with western society as far as immigration goes but the distinction needs to be made between culture and religion, and my point here is that vastly more Christians use their religion as an excuse for their violent actions than Muslims do. Why is it when we try to discuss the issues involving radical Islamics we get these same responses? It's almost likes it's out of bounds or something.

Not out of bounds Sparky, why would you think so? Im happy to have a serious debate. You will learn something I guarantee you even if you dont want to. Unlike most here i have spent a considerable amount of time living in Muslim countries and can see both sides of the cultural divide, so I have something to bring to the table. What about you, whats your real life experience?

Stratos wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 11:03am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 10:57am: Stratos wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 10:18am: Hey, whatever happened to the rules anyway? Quote: 3. Excessive use of large and coloured font (also known colloquially as "using crayons") - that make posts messy and difficult to read. 'ISLAM is mostly a non-violent philosophy', was the proposition that is being presented. Whatever happened to addressing the issues i have raised ? And addressing the inconsistencies in ian's argument / statistics, that i have HIGHLIGHTED ? Er, no.  Ian provided a statistic, you sprouted the same few passages that you always do in bright colours and large font, which is allegedly against the rule of this forum. Why do you think the rate of terrorism is so low if your statements is true?  Maybe you could retort with some statistics to counter his?

Is it because many moslems, do not want to die for Allah, but that many of these same moslems are willing to kill for Allah to satisfy their own CRIMINAL emotional urgings, if they judge that there is little physical danger to themselves ?

The security services in many Western democracies are on top of 'the moslem problem' - are able to pre-emptively interrupt the violent intentions of moslems who are resident within many Western democracies.

The moslems residing within many Western democracies KNOW THIS circumstance!

BUT, in jurisdictions where moslems perceive an 'opportunity' to engage in violent 'Jihad operations' [successfully, or with little perceived opposition to their violent intentions], then many times those moslem do  engage in violent 'Jihad operations'.

CAR, Nigeria, Somalia, Egypt, Yemen, Southern Thailand, southern Philippines, Syria, Sudan, Turkey, Libya, and on and on......





Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam





Quote:

Physical jihad is the pinnacle of Islam, and some scholars regarded it as the sixth pillar of Islam. June 13, 2013 · by muwahhidmedia · in Jihad      · 2 Comments The Muslims have neglected jihad for a long time, so they deserve the punishment of Allah, to be humiliated, belittled and defeated. That humiliation will never be lifted from them until they come back to their religion as the Prophet (salla Allahu alayhi wa salam) said: .......One of the strangest things to note is that we are living in a time when some of the Muslims are embarrassed to quote the verses and ahadith on jihad in front of their kaafir friends. Their faces turn red because they are too shy to mention the rulings on the djizyah, slavery and killing prisoners of war. They wish that they could erase these verses and ahadith from the Qur’aan and Sunnah so that they would not be criticized by this world with its backward principles despite its claims to be civilized. If they cannot erase them then they try to misinterpret them and distort their meanings so that they suit the whims and desires of their masters. I will not say so that they suit their whims and desires, for they are too weak to have their own whims and desires, and too ignorant. Rather it is the whims and desires of their masters and teachers among the missionaries and colonialists, the enemies of Islam.”

http://muwahhidmedia.com/2013/06/13/physical-jihad-is-the-pinnacle-of-islam-and-some-scholars-regarded-it-as-the-sixth-pillar-of-islam/






"Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-"
Koran 4.88, 89


"Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"
Koran 4.95

i.e. Religious fighting is an obligation for all moslems.
Allah views with disdain those who avoid this obligation to him.
see also, Koran 2.76-78,  Koran 9.73-85

kids and their crayons! See what I mean about a serious debate Sparky, almost impossible here due to our resident troll who apparently has free sway to pollute the forum however he wants. Dr Spock would be proud.

Saw a news report this morning that showed one of the escaped girls saying that she thought the kidnappers were army - Nigeria's army is predominantly Christian.

This concurs with earlier reports:


Quote:

"When we saw these gunmen, we thought they were soldiers, they told all of us to come and walk to the gates, we followed their instructions," Godiya Isaiah, an 18-year-old who managed to flee from her abductors, told the Reuters news agency. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/04/nigerian-army-frees-kidnapped-female-students-201441622223936711.html

Nigeria's Christian army is up to all sorts of evil:


Quote:

Nigerian Military Carrying out Genocide against Fulani, MURIC Cries Out The Muslim Rights Concern (MURIC) yesterday cried out over the killing of Fulani herdsmen by the military, describing them as “gencide.” In a statement issued by its spokesman, Prof. Ishaq Akintola, MURIC said, “Heavily armed men of the Nigerian Army allegedly drove in a convoy of ten Hilux vans on 2nd April, 2014 to Kadarko and Rugar Ardo Sodangi settlements of Keana local government, Nasarawa state. “They were alleged to have descended on a small group of mourners of Fulani descent. They shot all of them. Fifteen people of Fulani extraction lay dead at the end of the operation. Three were badly injured. “We of the Muslim Rights Concern (MURIC), keen on the need to maintain peace and harmony in Nigeria, are deeply concerned, particularly as this tragic scenario constitutes the emerging pattern in several parts of Northern Nigeria, particularly in Plateau, Benue and Adamawa. “Cattle-grazing is not new in this country and it had been very peaceful in the past. But recently there appears to be a kind of organised resistance and stereotyping of the Fulani herdsmen. This is what we find disturbing. “Witnesses have reportedly confirmed that efforts at reconciliation between Fulani herdsmen and their neighbours have always been frustrated by external forces who perpetrate fresh killings just when peace accords have either been signed or were about to be signed.” The pressure group added that it finds all these disturbing, saying, “We wonder if we are not witnessing some kind of ethnic cleansing with the Fulani as the main target. This will have grave consequences for the security question in Nigeria and the country’s corporate existence. “This is capable of affecting our relationship with countries in the region. Backlashes against non-Fulani Nigerians doing businesses in those places may become inevitable. “The Nigerian Muslim community as a stakeholder in nation-building is also aware of the symbiotic relationship between the Fulani and the religion of Islam and, by extension, the Muslim Ummah of Nigeria. Any hostile act against the Fulani is therefore an indirect attack on Muslims. Genocide aimed at the Fulani is indubitably mass killing of Muslims. It is war against Islam. “We urge the National Human Rights Commission to investigate this atrocity and come up with its report. We should be guided by the tragedy in Rwanda.” http://www.spyghana.com/nigerian-military-carrying-out-genocide-against-fulani-muric-cries-out/

Yadda, I'm going to assume that because you didn't provide any counter statistics to the very low incidence of Islamic terrorism you don't actually have any.

Point Ian then.

Stratos wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 11:49am:

Yadda, I'm going to assume that because you didn't provide any counter statistics to the very low incidence of Islamic terrorism you don't actually have any. Point Ian then.

Counter statistics?



Stratos,

It is true that wherever moslems ARE in the world, 'others' always come into conflict with moslems.

I just can't explain it!

Take the Rohingya Muslims In Burma, PLEASE [....say the Burmese]!







Quote:

The ‘innocent and persecuted’ Rohingya Muslims In Burma: A History Of Rape, Genocide And Grisly Murders Of Buddhists By Bangladeshi Muslims .....A gang of illegal Bangladeshi Muslim settlers rob, rape and murder a Arakanese Buddhist girl in Myanmar, and when police arrest the Muslim culprits, they launch “Jihad riots” after Friday prayer, attacking, killing, burning…. 7 person killed, and 494 houses, 19 shops and a guest house were burned down. Dusk-to-dawn curfew has been applied and public gatherings of more than five people banned. It also says that on June 3, a mob, angered by girl’s rape and murder, attacked a bus carrying Muslims from a religious gathering, killing 10 of them. This lead to latest riotings, killings, burnings and destructions by Muslims. Recap from 2012: Buddhist girl robbed, raped and murdered by a Muslim gang on 28 May, 2012 According to a report by the independent Arakanese news agency Narinjara, in the Muslims-dominated township of Rambree in Arakan State in Myanmar (Burma), a gang of Muslims robbed a Buddhist girl, ganged-raped her and murdered her in grisly manner. She was intercepted while returning home from work on the evening of 28 May 2012. She was killed by slitting her throat. Her dead-body also showed several stabbing wounds on the chest, as well as wounds and cuts on the vaginal and pubic regions.

http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/the-innocent-and-persecuted-rohingya-muslims-in-burma-a-history-of-rape-genocide-and-grisly-murders-of-buddhists-by-illegal-bangladeshi-muslims/




THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/



I just can't explain it!

It can't have anything to do with the philosophy which moslems choose follow, can it ?        :D

Despite what you may believe, you do realise that a religious scripture is not the same as a personal belief don't you?

Oh wait, you think genocide is a good thing sometimes because God says so.

my bad.


Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 12:09pm:

It is true that wherever moslems ARE in the world, 'others' always come into conflict with moslems.

Except for the vast majority in the US and Europe that are not Islam related of course.

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 10:05am:

ian wrote on Apr 22nd, 2014 at 10:36pm: here ya go FD, enjoy Quote: Europol Report: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 99.6% that Aren’t The results are stark, and prove decisively that not all terrorists are Muslims.  In fact, a whopping 99.6% of terrorist attacks in Europe were by non-Muslim groups; a good 84.8% of attacks were from separatist groups completely unrelated to Islam.  Leftist groups accounted for over sixteen times as much terrorism as radical Islamic groups.  Only a measly 0.4% of terrorist attacks from 2006 to 2008 could be attributed to extremist Muslims. Here are the official tables provided in the reports… http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/ ian, That is because; 'The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace.', and ISLAM "rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.". :P Honest!

You stop sticking up for this despicable 0.4% of terrorists, Y. We won't have such spineless apologetics on a civilized board.

The 99.6% are demokrats. Freedom fighters. No Allah Uakbaring there.

The world is in safe hands, Y - apart from the 0.4%.

It is a jolly world, no?

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 12:09pm:

Stratos wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 11:49am: Yadda, I'm going to assume that because you didn't provide any counter statistics to the very low incidence of Islamic terrorism you don't actually have any. Point Ian then. Counter statistics? Stratos, It is true that wherever moslems ARE in the world, 'others' always come into conflict with moslems. I just can't explain it!

Exactly. You listen to Y, Ian. Y is right - he just can't explain it.

This is why Y's font, highlights and assorted glyphs are so important. One has to read between the lines, you see.

+++

The 99.6% of terrorism is a drop in the ocean compared to the despicable 0.4%. For heaven's sake, these people are Moslems!

+++

You Google jihad is the pinnacle of islam, and stop your complaining.

Quote "Of a total of 143 court proceedings in 2007, 54 percent were related to separatist terrorism, whilst 38 percent were related to Islamist terrorism. Only one trial in 2007 concerned right-wing terrorism. This trial confirmed the sentence imposed on an individual previously convicted of the bombing of the Bologna railway in 1980."

Which resulted in 198 trials for Islamic terrorism out of a total of 449. That means about 44% of all terror acts were carried out by muslims. 30% of the muslims were found not guilty.

I do so love loonwatch its as good as tell mama in the UK which is now defunct after the Government stopped funding as it told too many lies.

No harm in trying though Ian, none at all.

P/S Been thru all this crap before with the old crew.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publications/tesat2008.pdf      

Adamant wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 3:14pm:

Quote "Of a total of 143 court proceedings in 2007, 54 percent were related to separatist terrorism, whilst 38 percent were related to Islamist terrorism. Only one trial in 2007 concerned right-wing terrorism. This trial confirmed the sentence imposed on an individual previously convicted of the bombing of the Bologna railway in 1980." Which resulted in 198 trials for Islamic terrorism out of a total of 449. That means about 44% of all terror acts were carried out by muslims. 30% of the muslims were found not guilty. I do so love loonwatch its as good as tell mama in the UK which is now defunct after the Government stopped funding as it told too many lies. No harm in trying though Ian, none at all. P/S Been thru all this crap before with the old crew. https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publications/tesat2008.pdf

Dont you think its a trifle dishonest to represent the statistics for Italy and falsely represent them as being for the whole of Europe? particularly as you conclude that the source you got them from is unreliable?Not a good start for you here Adamant. Please dont presume I wont notice dishonesty and lying.
Next!

Interesting percentages there, Adamant. Your report states:


Quote:

In 2007, the EU saw two failed and two attempted attacks related to Islamist terrorism; 201 suspects were arrested.

This compares to:


Quote:

In 2007, 91 percent of the attacks in the EU were claimed by, or attributed to, separatist terrorist groups. A total of 532 terrorist attacks were reported in three member states: France, Spain and Germany. Of these, 97 percent were claimed by, or attributed to, Basque and Corsican separatist terrorist groups.

Sinister, eh? Those 532 separatist terrorist attacks pale in comparison to the 2 Muselman ones. Also, they doubled in a year:


Quote:

The total number of suspects arrested for separatist terrorism in 2007 increased by over 100 percent compared to 2006.

But let's not forget those spineless apologists, the leftards:


Quote:

In 2007, left-wing and anarchist terrorist groups carried out 21 attacks in five member states.

Counterbalanced by lovers of Freedom and demokracy:


Quote:

In the course of 2007, Italy observed an increase in activity by right-wing extremists. In the UK, an increasing amount of right-wing extremists are involved in activities linked to explosive devices and home-made explosives.

Boys will be boys, eh?

Still, we're fighting back:


Quote:

A few member states reported increased hostility towards Muslim communities from rightwing extremists.[/

As always, I blame Islam:


Quote:

Left-wing and anarchist terrorist attacks in the EU are decreasing.

Quote:

Activities by right-wing terrorists and extremists in the EU are increasing.

Yes, Adamant, the Muselman is the enemy. The Muselman has always been the enemy. Always, absolutely, never ever.

We need to forget statistics and focus on the facts. As ever, Y has kindly provided the only source we need to reference:


Yadda wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 6:19pm:

Here is a link to that other Koran [i.e. the real one]... http://quran.com/9/111

Thanks, Y. I trust this puts the matter to rest once and for all.

ian wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Not a good start for you here Adamant. Please dont presume I wont notice dishonesty and lying. Next!

Come come. It's hardly dishonesty and lying when the Muselman is involved.

Be it European terrorism statistics or stories of Saudi mutilation, Adamant is perfectly justified to use all tools in his arsenal against that terrorist-loving mutilator, the Muselman.

As always, I blame Islam. Typical.

ian wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 10:36pm:

here ya go FD, enjoy Quote: Europol Report: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 99.6% that Aren’t The results are stark, and prove decisively that not all terrorists are Muslims.  In fact, a whopping 99.6% of terrorist attacks in Europe were by non-Muslim groups; a good 84.8% of attacks were from separatist groups completely unrelated to Islam.  Leftist groups accounted for over sixteen times as much terrorism as radical Islamic groups.  Only a measly 0.4% of terrorist attacks from 2006 to 2008 could be attributed to extremist Muslims. Here are the official tables provided in the reports… http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

Are you shifting the goal posts Ian? Are you withdrawing your original claim?

How do the European stats look if you drop graffiti and measure terrorism by the death toll over the past two decades? Not so easy to sweep Islamic terrorism under the carpet of limp wristed apologetics then is it?

freediver wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 6:40pm:

ian wrote on Apr 22nd, 2014 at 10:36pm: here ya go FD, enjoy Quote: Europol Report: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 99.6% that Aren’t The results are stark, and prove decisively that not all terrorists are Muslims.  In fact, a whopping 99.6% of terrorist attacks in Europe were by non-Muslim groups; a good 84.8% of attacks were from separatist groups completely unrelated to Islam.  Leftist groups accounted for over sixteen times as much terrorism as radical Islamic groups.  Only a measly 0.4% of terrorist attacks from 2006 to 2008 could be attributed to extremist Muslims. Here are the official tables provided in the reports… http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/ Are you shifting the goal posts Ian? Are you withdrawing your original claim?

Disagreeing with something here, FD?  Or just asking a question?

You know what you are, FD?

You’re a truth-seeker.

Kindly point FD in the right direction, Ian. He’s here with an open mind, curious to uncover the truth of the world.

We’ll get there, FD. Just hang in there.

I am calling bullshit on what Ian posted.


ian wrote on Apr 19^th, 2014 at 8:57pm:

moses wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 2:50pm: All you have to do is prove that muslims who are committing atrocities on a daily basis in 2014, do not believe they are observing the commands of allah, the preachings of muhammad, the teachings of islam, and the verses in the qur'an. If you can't, then I'll take their atrocities and islamic doctrines, as being inextricably linked. Over to you, prove me wrong. there is zero dispute that there are far more terrorist acts and atrocities committed daily by "Christians" than by Muslims.

So far the closest thing I have seen to a straight answer is Gandalf and Ian pretending he said something completely different.

I am also calling bullshit on the European stats.

freediver wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:53pm:

I am calling bullshit on what Ian posted. .

No problem, post your statistics and source then.

*yawn*

freediver wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:53pm:

So far the closest thing I have seen to a straight answer is Gandalf and Ian pretending he said something completely different. I am also calling bullshit on the European stats.

Fair enough, FD. You must have a superior source.

Y’s Koran link, eh?

Jolly good. That Muhammed was quite a cad, wasn’t he?

I blame Islam. Typical.

freediver wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:53pm:

I am also calling bullshit on the European stats.

Adamant selectively quoted the same European stats. also, are you calling him a liar?

Big deal muslims are the minority terrorists in Europe?

Europe is certainly not the domain of the muslim.

How about in lands considered islamic?  muslims are the majority terrorists, they murder each other, murder non muslims, destroy their health and housing  facilities, live in abject poverty because of their continual killing of each other, are homicidal illiterate, backwards, inbred, pedophiles.

I'll take European civilization over muslims, any day of the week

Quote:

Abducted schoolgirls forced to marry Nigerian extremists: Report   LAGOS, NIGERIA—Scores of girls and young women kidnapped from a school in Nigeria are being forced to marry their Islamic extremist abductors, a civic organization reported Wednesday. At the same time, the Boko Haram terrorist network is negotiating over the students' fate and is demanding an unspecified ransom for their release, a Borno state civic leader told The Associated Press.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/04/30/abducted_schoolgirls_forced_to_marry_nigerian_extremists_report.html

polite_gandalf wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

Quote: Abducted schoolgirls forced to marry Nigerian extremists: Report   LAGOS, NIGERIA—Scores of girls and young women kidnapped from a school in Nigeria are being forced to marry their Islamic extremist abductors, a civic organization reported Wednesday. At the same time, the Boko Haram terrorist network is negotiating over the students' fate and is demanding an unspecified ransom for their release, a Borno state civic leader told The Associated Press. http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/04/30/abducted_schoolgirls_forced_to_marry_nigerian_extremists_report.html

I was listening to the BBC, and the sources for these reports seem to be just rumours.


This article even admits:

Quote:

It was not possible to verify the reports

The article you posted seems a bit confused, are they being 'forced' to marry, 'sold' or 'paid'?


Quote:

The students are being paid 2,000 naira ($12) to marry the fighters, Halite Aliyu of the Borno-Yobe People's Forum told The Associated Press.

True Colours wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 3:27pm:

the sources for these reports seem to be just rumours

a "civic organization" reported it - whatever the hell that is!  ;D

Quote:

18-year-old Godiya Isaiah, among those who managed to escape the abductors, told Reuters that “When we saw these gunmen, we thought they were soldiers, they told all of us to come and walk to the gates, and we followed their instructions.”... ...“They were lured into the vehicle because they were told that the school was going to be attacked,”... http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/04/students-abduction-latest-escaped-school-girls/

Quote:

there are strange twists with a confusing array of statements, and counter, even contradictory information, flowing out of the site of the kidnapping. http://saharareporters.com/news-page/15-girls-escape-boko-haram-kidnappings-200-school-girls-abducted-and-missing

The Nigerian military has already been caught out lying about the situation:

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"The report from the military is not true," principal Asabe Kwambura told AFP news agency in Lagos on Thursday... ... "For the military (which) is supposed to find and rescue our children to be spreading such lies shows that they have no intention of rescuing our girls," said Lawan Zanna, a Chibok resident whose daughter was among those taken. "It is the highest form of insult," he added. "They said our girls have been freed... Bring them to us because they are yet to be reunited with us."... http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/04/principal-nigeria-schoolgirls-still-missing-2014417134438490718.html

Quote:

No one claimed responsibility for Tuesday's kidnapping http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/04/armed-men-kidnap-schoolgirls-nigeria-2014415134310107956.html

Quote:

The witness said soldiers had been deployed to provide extra security in advance of yearly exams http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/04/armed-men-kidnap-schoolgirls-nigeria-2014415134310107956.html

polite_gandalf wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 4:40pm:

True Colours wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 3:27pm: the sources for these reports seem to be just rumours a "civic organization" reported it - whatever the hell that is!  ;D

Laugh laugh. I nearly went to Ethiopia. Second class of course.

An update on muslim atrocities and schoolkids

Boko Haram holding 223 girls captive
Published: 9:40 am, Saturday, 3 May 2014 -

Nigerian police say Boko Haram militants are holding 223 girls of the 276 seized from their school in the country's northeast, revising upwards the number of youngsters abducted.

School and government officials in the northeastern state of Borno had previously given lower figures on the numbers being held since the mass abduction nearly three weeks ago in the town of Chibok.

Gunmen believed to be Islamist fighters stormed the girls' boarding school, forcing them from their dormitories onto trucks and driving them into the bush after a gun battle with soldiers.

Borno state police commissioner Lawan Tanko said on Friday his officers and other security agencies revised the figure after 'intensive and extensive investigation, consultations and collation of figures from parents and the school'.

'So far, we have a comprehensive list of 276 girls abducted from the Government Girls Secondary School in Chibok on April 14 and out of this figure, 53 were able to escape and return,' he told AFP.

'The number of girls being held by their abductors stands at 223 but this figure is not exhaustive and may change because we have made an announcement calling on parents whose daughters are missing from the school to come forward and register their names.

'We have documented all the 53 girls that escaped.

'A spokesman for Borno state governor said in the days after the abduction that 129 girls were taken and 52 escaped, leaving 77 with the abductors.

But the school principal disputed the figures, maintaining that 230 girls were kidnapped, out of which 43 escaped while 187 were taken away.

Tanko blamed the discrepancy on the fact that the students were from various schools in the area and had been transferred to Chibok to sit their final exams because of Boko Haram violence elsewhere in the state.

Student records were also burnt in a fire that destroyed a large part of the school after the attack, he added.

The girls' abduction has triggered global outrage and prompted protests in a number of Nigerian cities, calling on the government to secure their release.

Nigeria's information minister, Labaran Maku, said on Friday that President Goodluck Jonathan chaired a top-level meeting with the military and security chiefs to review progress on a possible rescue mission.

The government has denied charges from the girls' families that they have mishandled the situation and Maku said 'extensive and intensive aerial surveillance' had been carried out around Chibok and the border regions.

Search teams were also combing 'all reported places that the girls might have been taken to'. -

Source

A team of US experts has been sent to Nigeria to help find more than 200 schoolgirls abducted last month by the Islamist militant group Boko Haram.

US President Barack Obama said the team comprised personnel from military, law enforcement and other agencies.

He said he hoped the kidnapping might galvanise the international community to take action against Boko Haram.

Earlier, it emerged that eight more girls had been abducted in north-eastern Nigeria by suspected militants.

The latest kidnapping happened on Sunday night in the village of Warabe in Borno state. The girls taken were aged between 12 and 15.
Continue reading the main story      
“Start Quote
US Secretary of State John Kerry. 6 May 2014

    President Goodluck Jonathan was very happy to receive this offer and ready to move on it immediately”

US Secretary of State John Kerry

On Monday, Boko Haram leader Abubakar Shekau threatened to "sell" more than 230 girls seized from their school, also in Borno, on 14 April.

Growing international outrage led the US to offer the Nigerian government help and, on Tuesday, Mr Obama confirmed that the offer had been accepted.

"We have already sent in a team to Nigeria... a combination of military, law enforcement, and other agencies who are going in, trying to identify where in fact these girls might be," he said.

Mr Obama described the abduction as "heartbreaking" and "outrageous" and denounced Boko Haram as "one of the worst regional... terrorist organisations".

But he added: "This may be the event that helps to mobilise the entire international community to finally do something against this horrendous organisation that's
perpetrated such a terrible crime."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27304441

Maybe?

brumbie wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 11:34am:

This may be the event that helps to mobilise the entire international community to finally do something against this horrendous organisation that's perpetrated such a terrible crime

Hopefully. Boko Haram have been running rampant, terrorizing at will for a few years now. Its a sad reflection on how badly Nigeria has descended in recent times - such that now it can almost be described as a failed state. In the south and west, you've got Dutch Shell running their own virtual state and in the north terrorists running rampant. And in between the government is completely impotent.

Video looked fake to me - some b-grade actor scratching his head not looking very convincing at all.

The Nigerian army was supposed to have killed this Shekau character some time ago.



Boko Haram: Global Media Busted Promoting Fake Images Of “Ghost” Of Shekau

http://newsrescue.com/boko-haram-global-media-busted-promoting-fake-images-of-ghost-of-shekau/#axzz30tW7BbmK


http://newsrescue.com/another-fake-shekau-boko-haram-video-purportedly-released-threats-refineries/#axzz30tW7BbmK

polite_gandalf wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 12:02pm:

In the south and west, you've got Dutch Shell running their own virtual state

Ah, no wonder Obama is sending in troops.

he's not.

That's what he wants you to think. Who do you think is holding all those strings?

Painting me as a conspiratorial nut would make it so much easier for you wouldn't it?

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 7th, 2014 at 12:02pm: In the south and west, you've got Dutch Shell running their own virtual state Ah, no wonder Obama is sending in troops.

LOL




"Mr President 200 Christian schoolgirls have been kidnapped in Nigeria by ISLAMISTS!"

   "Has Nigeria got any oil reserves?"

"Yes Mr President, Nigeria has huge oil reserves."

   "Send a message, tell the Nigerians we are coming to their aid!"


Sadly, prolly not far from the truth ?

Good grief. Y’s starting to make some sense.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 8:08pm:

Painting me as a conspiratorial nut would make it so much easier for you wouldn't it?

Sorry I jumped the gun a bit there. Did you know their plan is to use electroconvulsive shock therapy to change their personality and turn them into laissez-faire  capitalists?


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Good grief. Y’s starting to make some sense.

That's the spirit Karnal. We'll have our hands on that oil in no time.

The US have demonstrated time and time again they don't want a bar of black Africa - even if they do have oil.

Leave it to the Chinese.

So their hatred of black skin over-rides their love of black gold? What do the Jews have to say about this?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

The US have demonstrated time and time again they don't want a bar of black Africa

Clinton had a go at it in Somalia, but the US got their arses handed back to them. The US has preferred to outsource its African wars since then.