These are people who produce nothing except some words on a bit of paper and never guarantee their work but charge like wounded bulls. Why do they value their work so much ?

Is it because they have no real competition and have wrangled the system so we can't have competition from abroad ?

Hear hear Nail,
also:

I have a friend who doesn't speak well in public & I asked a solicitor whether I could read out
his statement in court for him.

I was not allowed to.
He had to hire a barrister to read it which cost over $500
just to read a silly statement!

What a rip-off & it was just over a council matter concerning a dog.

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

These are people who produce nothing except some words on a bit of paper and never guarantee their work but charge like wounded bulls. Why do they value their work so much ? Is it because they have no real competition and have wrangled the system so we can't have competition from abroad ?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Hear hear Nail, also: I have a friend who doesn't speak well in public & I asked a solicitor whether I could read out his statement in court for him. I was not allowed to. He had to hire a barrister to read it which cost over $500 just to read a silly statement! What a rip-off & it was just over a council matter concerning a dog.

that sounds like a monopoly. What a disgrace :(

And to think that a lot of these lawyer types end up in politics making new legislation to provide new business opportunities for their lawyer mates :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:48am: Hear hear Nail, also: I have a friend who doesn't speak well in public & I asked a solicitor whether I could read out his statement in court for him. I was not allowed to. He had to hire a barrister to read it which cost over $500 just to read a silly statement! What a rip-off & it was just over a council matter concerning a dog. that sounds like a monopoly. What a disgrace :( And to think that a lot of these lawyer types end up in politics making new legislation to provide new business opportunities for their lawyer mates :(

They are making money from the misfortunes of others -
putting them in an even worse situation with massive legal bills.

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:48am: Hear hear Nail, also: I have a friend who doesn't speak well in public & I asked a solicitor whether I could read out his statement in court for him. I was not allowed to. He had to hire a barrister to read it which cost over $500 just to read a silly statement! What a rip-off & it was just over a council matter concerning a dog. that sounds like a monopoly. What a disgrace :( And to think that a lot of these lawyer types end up in politics making new legislation to provide new business opportunities for their lawyer mates :(

if you know the LAW.. then there is no LAW that says you have to use a lawyer/solicitor..

if you think you are as smart as them... feel free.

I dont think they would be able to charge what they do.. if they were not worth it..

there are rip offs of course like in every walk of life..

but if thats what it costs for someone who knows more than you do..

then get an education...

and see what you will charge when you have your Law degree..

have you been to a dentist lately??????..$250 for 10 min.

I love the way booby follows nails around he agrees with everything...so cute.

cods wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:51am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:48am: Hear hear Nail, also: I have a friend who doesn't speak well in public & I asked a solicitor whether I could read out his statement in court for him. I was not allowed to. He had to hire a barrister to read it which cost over $500 just to read a silly statement! What a rip-off & it was just over a council matter concerning a dog. that sounds like a monopoly. What a disgrace :( And to think that a lot of these lawyer types end up in politics making new legislation to provide new business opportunities for their lawyer mates :( if you know the LAW.. then there is no LAW that says you have to use a lawyer/solicitor.. if you think you are as smart as them... feel free. I dont think they would be able to charge what they do.. if they were not worth it.. there are rip offs of course like in every walk of life.. but if thats what it costs for someone who knows more than you do.. then get an education... and see what you will charge when you have your Law degree.. have you been to a dentist lately??????..$250 for 10 min.

But why couldn't I read my mate's statement out?

cods wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

I love the way booby follows nails around he agrees with everything...so cute.

Hi Cods,
I think you're cute too.   :-*

cods wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:51am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:48am: Hear hear Nail, also: I have a friend who doesn't speak well in public & I asked a solicitor whether I could read out his statement in court for him. I was not allowed to. He had to hire a barrister to read it which cost over $500 just to read a silly statement! What a rip-off & it was just over a council matter concerning a dog. that sounds like a monopoly. What a disgrace :( And to think that a lot of these lawyer types end up in politics making new legislation to provide new business opportunities for their lawyer mates :( if you know the LAW.. then there is no LAW that says you have to use a lawyer/solicitor.. if you think you are as smart as them... feel free. I dont think they would be able to charge what they do.. if they were not worth it.. there are rip offs of course like in every walk of life.. but if thats what it costs for someone who knows more than you do.. then get an education... and see what you will charge when you have your Law degree.. have you been to a dentist lately??????..$250 for 10 min.

jeez i've got an education idiot. It's just that the lawyers in canberra see fit that I should have to compete on the world stage so there is no monopoly for me :(

same thing with the medical profession. They are a protected species too that doesn't guarantee their work, and doesn't have to compete on a world stage

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:02pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:51am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:48am: Hear hear Nail, also: I have a friend who doesn't speak well in public & I asked a solicitor whether I could read out his statement in court for him. I was not allowed to. He had to hire a barrister to read it which cost over $500 just to read a silly statement! What a rip-off & it was just over a council matter concerning a dog. that sounds like a monopoly. What a disgrace :( And to think that a lot of these lawyer types end up in politics making new legislation to provide new business opportunities for their lawyer mates :( They are making money from the misfortunes of others - putting them in an even worse situation with massive legal bills.

they are bottom feeders on society :(

yes they are at the bar

as are all magistrates

as they both must sign an oath of allegiance

if they do not sign this they are not at the bar

any that do not honour the inner workings of

admiralty law , UCC law will and are disbarred ..

thus then and so it is this treachery must be

well renumerated for these masonic band of thieves ,

we continue to watch

from divine light

namaste

- : ) =




ॐ
/

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

cods wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 12:06pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:51am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:48am: Hear hear Nail, also: I have a friend who doesn't speak well in public & I asked a solicitor whether I could read out his statement in court for him. I was not allowed to. He had to hire a barrister to read it which cost over $500 just to read a silly statement! What a rip-off & it was just over a council matter concerning a dog. that sounds like a monopoly. What a disgrace :( And to think that a lot of these lawyer types end up in politics making new legislation to provide new business opportunities for their lawyer mates :( if you know the LAW.. then there is no LAW that says you have to use a lawyer/solicitor.. if you think you are as smart as them... feel free. I dont think they would be able to charge what they do.. if they were not worth it.. there are rip offs of course like in every walk of life.. but if thats what it costs for someone who knows more than you do.. then get an education... and see what you will charge when you have your Law degree.. have you been to a dentist lately??????..$250 for 10 min. But why couldn't I read my mate's statement out?

You should have been allowed to.  It is a discretionary thing ~ the Magistrate/Judge may allow a lay person an opportunity to do something like that.  You struck one in bad mood or you annoyed s/him somehow.

The easy way around it was to hand the statement up to the Magistrate/Judge.

Further, I'm surprised it is 'only' $360.00 an hour now.  When I retired about ten years ago, I was chargeing $300.00 an hour.

Aussie wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 12:07pm: cods wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 12:06pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:51am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:48am: Hear hear Nail, also: I have a friend who doesn't speak well in public & I asked a solicitor whether I could read out his statement in court for him. I was not allowed to. He had to hire a barrister to read it which cost over $500 just to read a silly statement! What a rip-off & it was just over a council matter concerning a dog. that sounds like a monopoly. What a disgrace :( And to think that a lot of these lawyer types end up in politics making new legislation to provide new business opportunities for their lawyer mates :( if you know the LAW.. then there is no LAW that says you have to use a lawyer/solicitor.. if you think you are as smart as them... feel free. I dont think they would be able to charge what they do.. if they were not worth it.. there are rip offs of course like in every walk of life.. but if thats what it costs for someone who knows more than you do.. then get an education... and see what you will charge when you have your Law degree.. have you been to a dentist lately??????..$250 for 10 min. But why couldn't I read my mate's statement out? You should have been allowed to.  It is a discretionary thing ~ the Magistrate/Judge may allow a lay person an opportunity to do something like that.  You struck one in bad mood or you annoyed s/him somehow. The easy way around it was to hand the statement up to the Magistrate/Judge. Further, I'm surprised it is 'only' $360.00 an hour now.  When I retired about ten years ago, I was chargeing $300.00 an hour.

Dear Aussie,
No - the solicitor my friend went to told me I couldn't do that
so I checked with a solicitor who is a friend of mine & he agreed -

"you can't read out your mate's statement"

You must have nice magistrates where you live?

Aussie wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 12:07pm: cods wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 12:06pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:51am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:48am: Hear hear Nail, also: I have a friend who doesn't speak well in public & I asked a solicitor whether I could read out his statement in court for him. I was not allowed to. He had to hire a barrister to read it which cost over $500 just to read a silly statement! What a rip-off & it was just over a council matter concerning a dog. that sounds like a monopoly. What a disgrace :( And to think that a lot of these lawyer types end up in politics making new legislation to provide new business opportunities for their lawyer mates :( if you know the LAW.. then there is no LAW that says you have to use a lawyer/solicitor.. if you think you are as smart as them... feel free. I dont think they would be able to charge what they do.. if they were not worth it.. there are rip offs of course like in every walk of life.. but if thats what it costs for someone who knows more than you do.. then get an education... and see what you will charge when you have your Law degree.. have you been to a dentist lately??????..$250 for 10 min. But why couldn't I read my mate's statement out? You should have been allowed to.  It is a discretionary thing ~ the Magistrate/Judge may allow a lay person an opportunity to do something like that.  You struck one in bad mood or you annoyed s/him somehow. The easy way around it was to hand the statement up to the Magistrate/Judge. Further, I'm surprised it is 'only' $360.00 an hour now.  When I retired about ten years ago, I was chargeing $300.00 an hour.

I'm surprised the solicitor didn't advise you along the lines of.."it's up to the Magistrates' discretion.....s/he may not allow it......if not allowed, the statement can be handed directly to the Magistrate."

To simply say you are not allowed is incorrect advice.

To my knowledge you have to ask to be 'recognised' as a 'friend of the court'. I would expected to be allowed in the lower courts but it would be unusual and for something specific. 

Aussie wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 12:07pm: cods wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 12:06pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:51am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:48am: Hear hear Nail, also: I have a friend who doesn't speak well in public & I asked a solicitor whether I could read out his statement in court for him. I was not allowed to. He had to hire a barrister to read it which cost over $500 just to read a silly statement! What a rip-off & it was just over a council matter concerning a dog. that sounds like a monopoly. What a disgrace :( And to think that a lot of these lawyer types end up in politics making new legislation to provide new business opportunities for their lawyer mates :( if you know the LAW.. then there is no LAW that says you have to use a lawyer/solicitor.. if you think you are as smart as them... feel free. I dont think they would be able to charge what they do.. if they were not worth it.. there are rip offs of course like in every walk of life.. but if thats what it costs for someone who knows more than you do.. then get an education... and see what you will charge when you have your Law degree.. have you been to a dentist lately??????..$250 for 10 min. But why couldn't I read my mate's statement out? You should have been allowed to.  It is a discretionary thing ~ the Magistrate/Judge may allow a lay person an opportunity to do something like that.  You struck one in bad mood or you annoyed s/him somehow. The easy way around it was to hand the statement up to the Magistrate/Judge. Further, I'm surprised it is 'only' $360.00 an hour now.  When I retired about ten years ago, I was chargeing $300.00 an hour.

yes, I paid $330 about 9 years ago for a divorce lawyer.
And $360 3 years ago for one of my sons.

OldnCrusty wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 1:32pm:

To my knowledge you have to ask to be 'recognised' as a 'friend of the court'. I would expected to be allowed in the lower courts but it would be unusual and for something specific.

Not exactly, Mr Crusty.

Click here.

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:39pm:

yes they are at the bar as are all magistrates as they both must sign an oath of allegiance if they do not sign this they are not at the bar any that do not honour the inner workings of admiralty law , UCC law will and are disbarred .. thus then and so it is this treachery must be well renumerated for these masonic band of thieves , we continue to watch from divine light namaste - : ) = ॐ /

And they cannot practice unless they pay their fees to the Law society.  A lawyer went to prison for contempt over not paying his fees, stating that he saw no reason for any real need to do so.  Back in the 90's I think in Malbunistan...

Law is a closed shop....  and only those considered 'ideologically safe' are permitted through the doors.

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

These are people who produce nothing except some words on a bit of paper and never guarantee their work but charge like wounded bulls. Why do they value their work so much ? Is it because they have no real competition and have wrangled the system so we can't have competition from abroad ?

Now, now, be careful what you write, the lawyers can get in trouble, because they control the law.

lol, imagine Booby representing you in court. Homer simpson on valium.

Alinta wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 1:19pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 12:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 12:07pm: cods wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 12:06pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:51am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:48am: Hear hear Nail, also: I have a friend who doesn't speak well in public & I asked a solicitor whether I could read out his statement in court for him. I was not allowed to. He had to hire a barrister to read it which cost over $500 just to read a silly statement! What a rip-off & it was just over a council matter concerning a dog. that sounds like a monopoly. What a disgrace :( And to think that a lot of these lawyer types end up in politics making new legislation to provide new business opportunities for their lawyer mates :( if you know the LAW.. then there is no LAW that says you have to use a lawyer/solicitor.. if you think you are as smart as them... feel free. I dont think they would be able to charge what they do.. if they were not worth it.. there are rip offs of course like in every walk of life.. but if thats what it costs for someone who knows more than you do.. then get an education... and see what you will charge when you have your Law degree.. have you been to a dentist lately??????..$250 for 10 min. But why couldn't I read my mate's statement out? You should have been allowed to.  It is a discretionary thing ~ the Magistrate/Judge may allow a lay person an opportunity to do something like that.  You struck one in bad mood or you annoyed s/him somehow. The easy way around it was to hand the statement up to the Magistrate/Judge. Further, I'm surprised it is 'only' $360.00 an hour now.  When I retired about ten years ago, I was chargeing $300.00 an hour. I'm surprised the solicitor didn't advise you along the lines of.."it's up to the Magistrates' discretion.....s/he may not allow it......if not allowed, the statement can be handed directly to the Magistrate." To simply say you are not allowed is incorrect advice.

they have probably got the law changed so that you can't. Just more money for jam :(

Re: $360 an hour for a solicitor ! Why ?

Because they have marketable skills which you dont.

ian wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Re: $360 an hour for a solicitor ! Why ? Because they have marketable skills which you dont.

The question is are those skills worth the money.  I say no.  Not only that, but the entire process that permits such blatant rip-off fees is run by lawyers and their mates who make the rules and constantly extend them to include more and more people who have no real interest in them.

Robbing people with a fountain pen is no less robbery..... you property magnates know that full well.   ;D ;D ;D

ian wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

lol, imagine Booby representing you in court. Homer simpson on valium.

Dear Ian,
If you would have read the thread - you halfwit -
I was referring to reading out a statement -
not cross examining witnesses etc.


forgiven

namaste

Hey Bobby.........trying to get my head around this.....did your friend plead guilty to the pooch charges????

Alinta wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:29pm:

Hey Bobby.........trying to get my head around this.....did your friend plead guilty to the pooch charges????

Yes he did even though he was not guilty.

It was:
(1) a dog at large - ( the gate wasn't properly shut & his dog was no more than 5 meters from the front gate)
(2) his dog biting another dog - ( false as there was no mark or injury )

The dog is super friendly & wouldn't harm an ant.

He followed his lawyers advice because he was told it would cost $7,000 to defend otherwise.
It still cost him $2,000 which included a barrister for $500 to read out a silly statement full of falsehoods & fake remorse.

Now he doesn't want to pay his lawyer.

ian wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Re: $360 an hour for a solicitor ! Why ? Because they have marketable skills which you dont.

Are they exportable skills by any chance ? :D LOL

Can they actually add value to anything :D LOL

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

Alinta wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:29pm: Hey Bobby.........trying to get my head around this.....did your friend plead guilty to the pooch charges???? Yes he did even though he was not guilty. It was: (1) a dog at large - ( the gate wasn't properly shut & his dog was no more than 5 meters from the front gate) (2) his dog biting another dog - ( false as there was no mark or injury ) The dog is super friendly & wouldn't harm an ant. He followed his lawyers advice because he was told it would cost $7,000 to defend otherwise. It still cost him $2,000 which included a barrister for $500 to read out a silly statement full of falsehoods & fake remorse. Now he doesn't want to pay his lawyer.

$500 to read out some weasel words :( What a joke the system is :(

like I said they charge like wounded bulls and never guarantee their work :(

The Barrister would have done more than merely read word for word from the Statement.

What was the $1500.00 paid to the Solicitor for?  What did s/he do?

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:36pm: Alinta wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:29pm: Hey Bobby.........trying to get my head around this.....did your friend plead guilty to the pooch charges???? Yes he did even though he was not guilty. It was: (1) a dog at large - ( the gate wasn't properly shut & his dog was no more than 5 meters from the front gate) (2) his dog biting another dog - ( false as there was no mark or injury ) The dog is super friendly & wouldn't harm an ant. He followed his lawyers advice because he was told it would cost $7,000 to defend otherwise. It still cost him $2,000 which included a barrister for $500 to read out a silly statement full of falsehoods & fake remorse. Now he doesn't want to pay his lawyer. like I said they charge like wounded bulls and never guarantee their work :(

What sort of guarantee do you expect a Lawyer to give you?

Aussie wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

The Barrister would have done more than merely read word for word from the Statement. What was the $1500.00 paid to the Solicitor for?  What did s/he do?

probably went and bought a small table from Gainsville for his bedroom :(

Aussie wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

The Barrister would have done more than merely read word for word from the Statement. What was the $1500.00 paid to the Solicitor for?  What did s/he do?

It's called - making money from selling old rope.

Aussie wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:43pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:36pm: Alinta wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:29pm: Hey Bobby.........trying to get my head around this.....did your friend plead guilty to the pooch charges???? Yes he did even though he was not guilty. It was: (1) a dog at large - ( the gate wasn't properly shut & his dog was no more than 5 meters from the front gate) (2) his dog biting another dog - ( false as there was no mark or injury ) The dog is super friendly & wouldn't harm an ant. He followed his lawyers advice because he was told it would cost $7,000 to defend otherwise. It still cost him $2,000 which included a barrister for $500 to read out a silly statement full of falsehoods & fake remorse. Now he doesn't want to pay his lawyer. like I said they charge like wounded bulls and never guarantee their work :( What sort of guarantee do you expect a Lawyer to give you?

I don't know. Perhaps a no-win-no-fee guarantee would be fair ;)   When I pay for goods I expect to get something that works and is fit for its intended purpose and if it breaks down I expect to get it repaired or replaced !! Some how that rule doesn't apply to high priced legal services :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:45pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:43pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:36pm: Alinta wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:29pm: Hey Bobby.........trying to get my head around this.....did your friend plead guilty to the pooch charges???? Yes he did even though he was not guilty. It was: (1) a dog at large - ( the gate wasn't properly shut & his dog was no more than 5 meters from the front gate) (2) his dog biting another dog - ( false as there was no mark or injury ) The dog is super friendly & wouldn't harm an ant. He followed his lawyers advice because he was told it would cost $7,000 to defend otherwise. It still cost him $2,000 which included a barrister for $500 to read out a silly statement full of falsehoods & fake remorse. Now he doesn't want to pay his lawyer. like I said they charge like wounded bulls and never guarantee their work :( What sort of guarantee do you expect a Lawyer to give you? I don't know. Perhaps a no-win-no-fee guarantee would be fair ;)   When I pay for goods I expect to get something that works and is fit for its intended purpose and if it breaks down I expect to get it repaired or replaced !! Some how that rule doesn't apply to high priced legal services :(

Hear hear Nail,
& that no win no fee thing is a scam -
you still have to pay the costs of the other party if you lose.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:48pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:44pm: The Barrister would have done more than merely read word for word from the Statement. What was the $1500.00 paid to the Solicitor for?  What did s/he do? It's called - making money from selling old rope.

What penalty did the Magistrate order????? 

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

These are people who produce nothing except some words on a bit of paper and never guarantee their work but charge like wounded bulls. Why do they value their work so much ? Is it because they have no real competition and have wrangled the system so we can't have competition from abroad ?

Quote:

$360 an hour for a solicitor ! Why ?

According to some here that would be  because of supply & demand ;D ;D ;D

Alinta wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:48pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:44pm: The Barrister would have done more than merely read word for word from the Statement. What was the $1500.00 paid to the Solicitor for?  What did s/he do? It's called - making money from selling old rope. What penalty did the Magistrate order?????

It was a large fine but I won't give the exact amount
because the matter is really confidential.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 3:05pm:

Alinta wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:54pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:48pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:44pm: The Barrister would have done more than merely read word for word from the Statement. What was the $1500.00 paid to the Solicitor for?  What did s/he do? It's called - making money from selling old rope. What penalty did the Magistrate order?????  It was a large fine but I won't give the exact amount because the matter is really confidential.

OK, respect that.

I'm assuming (perhaps erroneously) that the Council issued an Infringement Notice with an amount to be paid for the listed offence/s ....or, an option to have the matter dealt with by the court. Clearly your mate chose the latter and I wondered how much difference between the original penalty and the court fine. 

Alinta wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 3:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 3:05pm: Alinta wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:54pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:48pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:44pm: The Barrister would have done more than merely read word for word from the Statement. What was the $1500.00 paid to the Solicitor for?  What did s/he do? It's called - making money from selling old rope. What penalty did the Magistrate order?????  It was a large fine but I won't give the exact amount because the matter is really confidential. OK, respect that. I'm assuming (perhaps erroneously) that the Council issued an Infringement Notice with an amount to be paid for the listed offence/s ....or, an option to have the matter dealt with by the court. Clearly your mate chose the latter and I wondered how much difference between the original penalty and the court fine.

I don't know Alinta -
but it seemed overly harsh for leaving the gate open for a dog which did no harm.

Gnads wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:44am: These are people who produce nothing except some words on a bit of paper and never guarantee their work but charge like wounded bulls. Why do they value their work so much ? Is it because they have no real competition and have wrangled the system so we can't have competition from abroad ? Quote: $360 an hour for a solicitor ! Why ? According to some here that would be  because of supply & demand ;D ;D ;D

Supply and demand covers most things.

Quote:

Supply and demand covers most things.

Yeah a blanket cover for profiteering >:(

The Law Society & the AMA ... two of the biggest closed shop Unions in the country.

Where's the usual suspect Union bashers in regards to this lot? ::)

Gnads wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 6:18pm:

Quote: Supply and demand covers most things. Yeah a blanket cover for profiteering >:( The Law Society & the AMA ... two of the biggest closed shop Unions in the country. Where's the usual suspect Union bashers in regards to this lot? ::)

I don't 'get' the point.  What is it?

Really? ...& you know everything ... what a shock.

Gnads wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 6:27pm:

Really? ...& you know everything ... what a shock.

Hardly.

What is the point you are trying to make?

Alinta wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 1:19pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 12:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 12:07pm: cods wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 12:06pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:51am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:48am: Hear hear Nail, also: I have a friend who doesn't speak well in public & I asked a solicitor whether I could read out his statement in court for him. I was not allowed to. He had to hire a barrister to read it which cost over $500 just to read a silly statement! What a rip-off & it was just over a council matter concerning a dog. that sounds like a monopoly. What a disgrace :( And to think that a lot of these lawyer types end up in politics making new legislation to provide new business opportunities for their lawyer mates :( if you know the LAW.. then there is no LAW that says you have to use a lawyer/solicitor.. if you think you are as smart as them... feel free. I dont think they would be able to charge what they do.. if they were not worth it.. there are rip offs of course like in every walk of life.. but if thats what it costs for someone who knows more than you do.. then get an education... and see what you will charge when you have your Law degree.. have you been to a dentist lately??????..$250 for 10 min. But why couldn't I read my mate's statement out? You should have been allowed to.  It is a discretionary thing ~ the Magistrate/Judge may allow a lay person an opportunity to do something like that.  You struck one in bad mood or you annoyed s/him somehow. The easy way around it was to hand the statement up to the Magistrate/Judge. Further, I'm surprised it is 'only' $360.00 an hour now.  When I retired about ten years ago, I was chargeing $300.00 an hour. I'm surprised the solicitor didn't advise you along the lines of.."it's up to the Magistrates' discretion.....s/he may not allow it......if not allowed, the statement can be handed directly to the Magistrate." To simply say you are not allowed is incorrect advice.

we are after all assuming it is a true stoy. it is booby after all!

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 3:05pm:

[ It was a large fine but I won't give the exact amount because the matter is really confidential.

Yes. Thats why you are blabbing details on a public internet forum.

ian wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 3:05pm: [ It was a large fine but I won't give the exact amount because the matter is really confidential. Yes. Thats why you are blabbing details on a public internet forum.

Zero specific details were given, Ian.

Aussie wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 7:01pm:

ian wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 6:57pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 3:05pm: [ It was a large fine but I won't give the exact amount because the matter is really confidential. Yes. Thats why you are blabbing details on a public internet forum. Zero specific details were given, Ian.

Thanks Aussie.

Yes - it is a true story & doesn't say much that is good about our legal system.

Aussie wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 7:01pm:

ian wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 6:57pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 3:05pm: [ It was a large fine but I won't give the exact amount because the matter is really confidential. Yes. Thats why you are blabbing details on a public internet forum. Zero specific details were given, Ian.

Are you representing Booby now?

You can represent yourself but then  as the old saying goes, you may well have a fool for a client.

I had to pay $330 for an hour with a family law solicitor.

However, the advice I was given was pure gold and saved me a lot of money and angst, sometimes you have to pay for the experience of the person sitting across the table from you.

Good legal advice can save you a fortune as well as cost you one.

red baron wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

You can represent yourself but then  as the old saying goes, you may well have a fool for a client. I had to pay $330 for an hour with a family law solicitor. However, the advice I was given was pure gold and saved me a lot of money and angst, sometimes you have to pay for the experience of the person sitting across the table from you. Good legal advice can save you a fortune as well as cost you one.

Very true - but good legal advice is hard to find.

ian wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 7:05pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 7:01pm: ian wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 6:57pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 3:05pm: [ It was a large fine but I won't give the exact amount because the matter is really confidential. Yes. Thats why you are blabbing details on a public internet forum. Zero specific details were given, Ian. Are you representing Booby now?

Why would you ask that?  If you want a one on one exchange with Bobby, you can PM him.  If you post in public, the public will reply.......even unsolicited.

red baron wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

You can represent yourself but then  as the old saying goes, you may well have a fool for a client. I had to pay $330 for an hour with a family law solicitor. However, the advice I was given was pure gold and saved me a lot of money and angst, sometimes you have to pay for the experience of the person sitting across the table from you. Good legal advice can save you a fortune as well as cost you one.

I can tell you this.  In matters of property, more often than not, you will end up paying the Lawyers far more than the value of the property in dispute.....unless the cake to be carved is huge.

Aussie wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 7:33pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 7:14pm: You can represent yourself but then  as the old saying goes, you may well have a fool for a client. I had to pay $330 for an hour with a family law solicitor. However, the advice I was given was pure gold and saved me a lot of money and angst, sometimes you have to pay for the experience of the person sitting across the table from you. Good legal advice can save you a fortune as well as cost you one. I can tell you this.  In matters of property, more often than not, you will end up paying the Lawyers far more than the value of the property in dispute.....unless the cake to be carved is huge.

Very true - I know of an estate worth $80 grand was not worth contesting but
another one worth $860 grand was - which was subsequently won.

Aussie wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Why would you ask that?

  you seemed to spring to his defense pretty quickly. A bit like he does with LostNail.

ian wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 7:30pm: Why would you ask that?   you seemed to spring to his defense pretty quickly. A bit like he does with LostNail.

Leave Nail alone - he is one of the few genuine posters here.

ian wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Re: $360 an hour for a solicitor ! Why ? Because they have marketable skills which you dont.

Ouch!!! (but true)

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:54pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:50pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:45pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:43pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:36pm: Alinta wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:29pm: Hey Bobby.........trying to get my head around this.....did your friend plead guilty to the pooch charges???? Yes he did even though he was not guilty. It was: (1) a dog at large - ( the gate wasn't properly shut & his dog was no more than 5 meters from the front gate) (2) his dog biting another dog - ( false as there was no mark or injury ) The dog is super friendly & wouldn't harm an ant. He followed his lawyers advice because he was told it would cost $7,000 to defend otherwise. It still cost him $2,000 which included a barrister for $500 to read out a silly statement full of falsehoods & fake remorse. Now he doesn't want to pay his lawyer. like I said they charge like wounded bulls and never guarantee their work :( What sort of guarantee do you expect a Lawyer to give you? I don't know. Perhaps a no-win-no-fee guarantee would be fair ;)   When I pay for goods I expect to get something that works and is fit for its intended purpose and if it breaks down I expect to get it repaired or replaced !! Some how that rule doesn't apply to high priced legal services :( Hear hear Nail, & that no win no fee thing is a scam - you still have to pay the costs of the other party if you lose.

no you don't.  the judge has to make an order regarding costs and even then it doesn't cover ALL the costs.  Where do you get your info from?

Gnads wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 6:18pm:

Quote: Supply and demand covers most things. Yeah a blanket cover for profiteering >:( The Law Society & the AMA ... two of the biggest closed shop Unions in the country. Where's the usual suspect Union bashers in regards to this lot? ::)

I think your definition of 'closed shop' is a group that demands you earn a degree qualification to join. How evil!  Don't we all want to be operated on  by someone who learned surgery at Tafe or via an online youtube video?

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:54pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:50pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:45pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:43pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:36pm: Alinta wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:29pm: Hey Bobby.........trying to get my head around this.....did your friend plead guilty to the pooch charges???? Yes he did even though he was not guilty. It was: (1) a dog at large - ( the gate wasn't properly shut & his dog was no more than 5 meters from the front gate) (2) his dog biting another dog - ( false as there was no mark or injury ) The dog is super friendly & wouldn't harm an ant. He followed his lawyers advice because he was told it would cost $7,000 to defend otherwise. It still cost him $2,000 which included a barrister for $500 to read out a silly statement full of falsehoods & fake remorse. Now he doesn't want to pay his lawyer. like I said they charge like wounded bulls and never guarantee their work :( What sort of guarantee do you expect a Lawyer to give you? I don't know. Perhaps a no-win-no-fee guarantee would be fair ;)   When I pay for goods I expect to get something that works and is fit for its intended purpose and if it breaks down I expect to get it repaired or replaced !! Some how that rule doesn't apply to high priced legal services :( Hear hear Nail, & that no win no fee thing is a scam - you still have to pay the costs of the other party if you lose. no you don't.  the judge has to make an order regarding costs and even then it doesn't cover ALL the costs.  Where do you get your info from?

My claim stands as true.

Some years ago a colleague of mine from a previous job was arrested and charged with a very serious crime for which he was innocent (and rather obviously so). It was the case which made me realise that cops are not very bright or very diligent. Anyhow, his lawyer eventually got the charges dropped after proving he was innocent and it cost him $5000 which is a fair bit of money. But he considers it pretty cheap since he was facing a 5 year jail term. Without a trained and experience lawyer he could have had real trouble.

Any profession is worth to you what it saves you from.  What is 5 years jail worth to you?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 8:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:54pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:50pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:45pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:43pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:36pm: Alinta wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 2:29pm: Hey Bobby.........trying to get my head around this.....did your friend plead guilty to the pooch charges???? Yes he did even though he was not guilty. It was: (1) a dog at large - ( the gate wasn't properly shut & his dog was no more than 5 meters from the front gate) (2) his dog biting another dog - ( false as there was no mark or injury ) The dog is super friendly & wouldn't harm an ant. He followed his lawyers advice because he was told it would cost $7,000 to defend otherwise. It still cost him $2,000 which included a barrister for $500 to read out a silly statement full of falsehoods & fake remorse. Now he doesn't want to pay his lawyer. like I said they charge like wounded bulls and never guarantee their work :( What sort of guarantee do you expect a Lawyer to give you? I don't know. Perhaps a no-win-no-fee guarantee would be fair ;)   When I pay for goods I expect to get something that works and is fit for its intended purpose and if it breaks down I expect to get it repaired or replaced !! Some how that rule doesn't apply to high priced legal services :( Hear hear Nail, & that no win no fee thing is a scam - you still have to pay the costs of the other party if you lose. no you don't.  the judge has to make an order regarding costs and even then it doesn't cover ALL the costs.  Where do you get your info from? My claim stands as true.

your claim as usual is just nonsense that you heard from liar-nail or some other tinfoil hat website. Unlike you, Ive been to court for company-related disputes. I have some idea of what I'm talking about while you as usual, have none. ASk Aussie. he could set you straight on this.

Lawyer Aussie shall be the judge!

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 8:56pm:

Lawyer Aussie shall be the judge!

Unless the dispute is being handled in a Judge Judy type court, losing side in a civil action will be ordered to pay (generally) about 70% of the winners's legal costs and (in some cases) 100% of the winner's legal costs.

Aussie wrote on Apr 21^st, 2014 at 7:11am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 8:56pm: Lawyer Aussie shall be the judge! Unless the dispute is being handled in a Judge Judy type court, losing side in a civil action will be ordered to pay (generally) about 70% of the winners's legal costs and (in some cases) 100% of the winner's legal costs.

Thanks Aussie - we'll see if Longy apologises to me?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2014 at 7:13am:

Aussie wrote on Apr 21st, 2014 at 7:11am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 8:56pm: Lawyer Aussie shall be the judge! Unless the dispute is being handled in a Judge Judy type court, losing side in a civil action will be ordered to pay (generally) about 70% of the winners's legal costs and (in some cases) 100% of the winner's legal costs. Thanks Aussie - we'll see if Longy apologises to me?

IF the judge so orders and he doesn't always and it requires an application for it.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 8:55pm:

your claim as usual is just nonsense that you heard from liar-nail or some other tinfoil hat website. Unlike you, Ive been to court for company-related disputes. I have some idea of what I'm talking about while you as usual, have none. ASk Aussie. he could set you straight on this.

why don't you do us all a favour and go and drown yourself.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2014 at 10:11am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21st, 2014 at 7:13am: Aussie wrote on Apr 21st, 2014 at 7:11am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 8:56pm: Lawyer Aussie shall be the judge! Unless the dispute is being handled in a Judge Judy type court, losing side in a civil action will be ordered to pay (generally) about 70% of the winners's legal costs and (in some cases) 100% of the winner's legal costs. Thanks Aussie - we'll see if Longy apologises to me? IF the judge so orders and he doesn't always and it requires an application for it.

No.  It is virtually automatic....in most cases the Judge will initiate it....with a casual comments like, 'Costs?' 

Costs follow the event/cause.  Google it.

I have to admit, I've always considered lawyers overpaid overpriced show ponies who had 3 hour lunches and sat around drinking coffee all day ... a few years ago I moved next to a lawyer, and she works longer hours than anyone else in the complex where I live ....including many Sundays and public holidays

I've since revised my opinion to 'some lawyers are overpaid overpriced show ponies who take 3 hour lunches and drink coffee

mind you, If I could charge $360hr, I'd work as many hours as I could while I could

Because they spend heaps of dosh on an education where they practically have to learn another language and intermediate psychology, and know the law back to front in order to help either prosecute or defend people who break into people's houses in order to fund a heroin addiction. Then they have to be able to represent people who don't know the law enough to put forward a defense or prosecution over some kind of lawsuit. That's why they charge that much.

Now, can I get some fries please.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2014 at 10:11am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21st, 2014 at 7:13am: Aussie wrote on Apr 21st, 2014 at 7:11am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 20th, 2014 at 8:56pm: Lawyer Aussie shall be the judge! Unless the dispute is being handled in a Judge Judy type court, losing side in a civil action will be ordered to pay (generally) about 70% of the winners's legal costs and (in some cases) 100% of the winner's legal costs. Thanks Aussie - we'll see if Longy apologises to me? IF the judge so orders and he doesn't always and it requires an application for it.

Does everyone see how Longweekend fails to accept advice
from our resident lawyer named Aussie?

Longy thinks he's an expert on everything.