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Title: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by bogarde73 on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 1:47pm

Fairfax-Nielsen poll:

"Just 28 per cent of respondents aged between 18 and 24 years, backed the idea of an Australian head of state, whereas 60 per cent said no to the idea."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/republican-movement-wanes-amid-royal-revival-20140415-zqv05.html#ixzz2zluu9R6Z

God save the Queen!

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 1:56pm

18-24 - do they even begin to understand the issues or are they still recovering school students?

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by bogarde73 on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 1:58pm

Good question! Should 18yo then have been given the vote by He Who Deserved to be Dismissed?

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by Greens_Win on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:01pm

Support was strongest amongst young voters; with 81 per cent of respondents aged 18-24 supporting same-sex marriage.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/new-poll-backs-samesex-marriage-20120213-1t1h4.html

Polls are wonderful things aye bogarde

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by bogarde73 on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:01pm

In fact I'll ask another one.

Is there a discernible correlation time wise between that decision and the increasing ungovernability of this country?

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:06pm

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:01pm:

In fact I'll ask another one.

Is there a discernible correlation time wise between that decision and the increasing ungovernability of this country?

Only since the 18 year olds got the vote - god help us if the 16 year olds get the vote as the Greens want.

I propose a vote for service scheme - as outlined in Starship Troopers - you EARN full citizenship rights through service, either military or civil.

We've had enough of the free range thinking associated with 'social sciences' these days and then passed on to the chumplings at schools and unis as gospel.....

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by Pastafarian on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:08pm

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:01pm:

In fact I'll ask another one.

Is there a discernible correlation time wise between that decision and the increasing ungovernability of this country?

No idea, but at least we'll be an ungovernable monacrhy.

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by buzzanddidj on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:19pm

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 1:47pm:

You'll ALWAYS get that sort of result on a birth, wedding, or Australian tour of/by an heir to the British throne

There are a REMARKABLE number of Australians out there that believe the throne will bypass Charley on the demise of Liz - and go straight to Wills

It's NOT gunna happen, people !

Watch the poll results change with the harsh reality that will be King Charles & Queen Carmilla

FULL RESULTS

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by philperth2010 on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:38pm

To be honest I do not care either way.....The monarchy does nothing for Australia but it does no harm either.....Restoring Knights and Dames was a stupid idea that only happened because we elected a Prime Minister born in England who thinks the monarchy matters.....It doesn't!!!

::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by john_g on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:59pm

I'm with buzz on this one.

For whatever reason, a lot of Australians think that Charles will abdicate and give the role to William.

Not going to happen, Charles has coveted the position for pretty much his entire life.

Now, what Australian out there wants King Charles and Queen Camilla? Because once the Queen passes, that will be our reality, Charles as our Head of state.

Does anyone actually want that? I know arch-monarchists who don't.

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:39pm

I don't mind Chuck and Cammie - seriously - what have they done wrong? Chuck is OK - any man who talks to his plants and encourages them to grow is fine by me - and Cammie is just Cammie - not some ogre.

It's no big deal these days that she was no virgin on marriage etc and that they chanced to meet between the sheets a million times...

Mind you - I wouldn't be after her myself unless she had.. exceptional talents.....

They didn't kill Diana - and seriously, Di should have known that the upper class have their marriages and their discreet dalliances to allay the thirst of frustration etc.... who wants a blue balled King?

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:43pm

john_g wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

Yes, Charles will be the King of Australia.

Won't that be just wonderful?

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by cods on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:50pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:39pm:

very true live and let live..we could have a system like they have in Nth Korea... >:(..

where the son and heir kills his ex girl friend...and feeds his uncle to the dogs..

I think I will settle for Chas..

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:53pm

He's pretty harmless...

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by buzzanddidj on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:43pm:

john_g wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

Yes, Charles will be the King of Australia.

Won't that be just wonderful?

Quote:

”I want to be reincarnated as your tampon”

– Prince Charles to Camilla Parker Bowles

Full Transcript of a telephone conversation between Prince Charles and
Camilla Parker Bowles the 45 year old wife of a brigadier.

http://www.textfiles.com/phreak/camilla.txt

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by john_g on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:24pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:39pm:

Just because them having affairs was/is status wuo, it doesn't make it right.

Charles and the others used Diana, and the way that they treated her is beyond contempt.

I still believe that she woukd still be alive if it weren't for that.

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by john_g on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:24pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:43pm:

john_g wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

Yes, Charles will be the King of Australia.

Won't that be just wonderful?

The short answer is no.

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by longweekend58 on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:47pm

care factor: nil.

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by True Colours on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:49pm

Attitudes might change when we have a fag hag for queen.

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by St George of the Holy Copper on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 7:36pm

We need to kick out the royal family and become a republic with an elected President/GG.

Yes elected, no that is not the US system. Our GG or president has no executive power, the POTUS is military CiC and head of the US Public Service.

I do NOT want our Head of State to be a puppet appointed by the PM (or by Parliament which is the same thing.)

Until we symbolically cut the apron strings to the UK we cannot move into the Asian century.

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by austranger on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 8:10pm

As I understand it, most Aussies would like a Republic with the Head of State popularly elected, and with some realistic power over the politicians in his/her back pocket. To achieve that our political masters would have to agree, and does anyone really think that is ever going to happen?
Look at how they infiltrated and twisted that last gab-fest on the question, they designed a question they already knew no Aussie would ever agree to.
Don't hold your breath for a change this century, nor possibly the next either, nobody in power ever willingly lets go, do they?

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by Peter Freedman on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 8:45pm

cods wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:39pm:

Having King Charles or a North Korean system are not the only options.

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 8:54pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Hear, hear! The Honourable Member for Vat I Can Brew has spoken!

Take a jelly bean and a gold star....

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 8:58pm

austranger wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 8:10pm:

Indeed - the whole show was twisted to give the answer the pollies wanted - THEIR elected eunuch as a 'President'. In order to attain that end they loaded the 'commission with the faithful and gullible and feministed school kids who thought their wildest dreams had come true and they were actively running the show for us... (god help us - these kids actually believe in global warming and that affirmative action for girls/women is the only way things should be)....

We, The People as Sovereign wanted a popularly elected president with powers and a genuine set of checks and balances.

A jelly bean and a gold star for you again.

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 9:05pm

john_g wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:24pm:

I still believe that she woukd still be alive if it weren't for that.

And if she hadn't been riding in that satanic hearse with an Ay-Rab lover and a Franche pilot for a driver... sounds like James Bond was on the motor cycle with the camera.

Take a look at the series of photos of Henri Paul and the bodyguard and check the line of the light from that photographer.......... not only that, but the look on Paul's face is shock - not startled surprise at sudden light....

Mon Dieu - MERDE!

Now HTF would a seasoned driver and pilot grab at the wheel and swerve into a post instead of his training and senses taking over and him keeping a straight line regardless until his sight returned?

Trust me - that is what that kind of training will give you....

Note that his hand has changed position on the wheel - either he was committing suicide or he was swerving to avoid .... what?

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by St George of the Holy Copper on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 9:12pm

austranger wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 8:10pm:

The GG—and President—have the reserve powers. Kerr found a use for those.

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by Setanta on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 9:19pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 9:05pm:

Note that his hand has changed position on the wheel - either he was committing suicide or he was swerving to avoid .... what?

Looks like he's playing with the wrong gear stick. ;D

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by Setanta on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 9:21pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 8:45pm:

cods wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:39pm:

Having King Charles or a North Korean system are not the only options.

Why can't you see the world in black and white like any rational, sane person like Cods? ::)

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 9:23pm

Setanta wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 9:19pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 9:05pm:

Note that his hand has changed position on the wheel - either he was committing suicide or he was swerving to avoid .... what?

Looks like he's playing with the wrong gear stick. ;D

Maybe.. I hope Diana is enjoying life in the Bahamas on that secluded island.....

P.S. shoulda run over the bastard rather than swerve and kill more....

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by The Devil on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 10:11pm

Why don't we have a president elected like this

We have had a debate about how the President is, or isn’t, appointed — so I won’t go back into that. The President has to be above politics, so how is he or she appointed if he or she is going to be above politics?

The community could nominate people who have received Australia’s highest medal – with the Companion of the Order of Australia (AC) – for consideration by the Federal or their State government. Then, all the governments – Federal, State and Territories – with the support of all political parties, could nominate three or four people from those to be put forward. This group would then be put to an Australia wide vote of the people to elect six members to form a team of 5 years called the Presidential Select Committee, which would sit only when required, or if the President or the chairperson of the Presidential Select Committee ask for them to meet. It should be chaired by any one of the justices from the High Court. The committee would nominate three members with the Companion of the Order of Australia to Federal Parliament to become President of Australia.

The Prime Minister of the day would recommend one of them to parliament to become president, with the approval of the leaders of all political parties sitting in parliament at the time. It would then be put to the vote of both houses of parliament, with a supermajority of 2/3 to approve the candidate as president.

The President would be eligible for a maximum of two five-year terms, and would have to be nominated again by the Presidential Select Committee for the second term.

Thereafter, although the President could not be nominated again after having a second term, he or she would be able to be nominated to sit on the next Presidential Select Committee.

The President would carry out all the duties that the Governor-General does now, but would seek advice from the Presidential Select Committee on any appointments he or she makes and on any use of the reserve powers.

The Select Committee could do any background checks necessary for the people they nominated for President. The people sitting on the Select Committee would be denied the ability to stand for president.

The President could only be dismissed by a vote of the Presidential Select Committee. If the president dies or has to leave office for any reason, there are still two people already nominated to the parliament that are able to fill the rest of the term.

In the debate we had about the republic, there was nothing said about State Governors. The Presidential Select Committee would nominate 3 people with the Office of the Order of Australia (AO), which is our second highest medal, to each State Government for Vice President of that State and the same sort of appointment process would occur as for the President.

Politicians, ex-politicians and people who had been a member of any political party for the previous 10 years would be ineligible to stand for either the Presidential Select Committee or for the President or Vice President positions.

It’s true that the people cannot elect the president outright under this system — but instead involves electing the President in a roundabout way by nominating people with an AC and electing the Presidential Select Committee.

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by froggie on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 10:32pm

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Pretty much agree....
Dunno about the Pommy-born PM though.
More like a deflection to take the gullible one's minds off the shambles that this lot are making of running the show.

;)

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by Peter Freedman on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 12:16am

Lobo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 10:32pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Pretty much agree....
Dunno about the Pommy-born PM though.
More like a deflection to take the gullible one's minds off the shambles that this lot are making of running the show.

;)

You have a point. The monarchy is largely irrelevant.

I object to it more in principle. It's time both Australia and NZ finally cut the apron strings tying them to Mother England.

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by Setanta on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 1:53am

Monarchy or Repubicanism matter very little to how we are governed and matter very little to me. I'm fine with how things are, I care not for names, we are self governed. If the Monarchy intervened they'd by legislated out so fast it'd be like they were never there.

A president or a queen/king that has no power is irrelevant. I do not see us as immature or whatever epithet for staying as we are. I see changing just for the sake of changing as the same as changing the name of a garbo from garbo to sanitary engineer. Pointless except to some egos.

We don't have a cultural cringe, we have a cultural subservience. It's shifted from UK to US in my life. No, I don't like either. We are better than that, or at least we used to before we reinstituted knighthoods as a mark of our subservience and bought more f35s.

Smack me in the face with a Barramundi, not a Trout or Salmon.

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by austranger on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 3:48am

Setanta wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 1:53am:

By and large I tend to agree with you.
However, I genuinely think it's past time Oz got off it's collective backside and wrote a whole new Constitution. Call it a Republic, call it a Commonwealth, call it a large purple pig for all I care, but give us a Bill of Rights, give us Citizen Initiated Referenda, and give us some method of controlling politicians salaries and benefits too for that matter. That could be put to a Referendum easily enough.
It's the 21st century and we're running on a joke of a document reflecting 18th century thinking, the only thing missing is an Hereditary Peerage and little Tony is doing his very best to introduce THAT now too.
Look at the recent Senate elections. Some small parties got in, the damn plebs didn't play fair. What's the reaction from the political elite? "Change the rules by Jove, we can't be having any of THAT malarkey, now can we"!
:P

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by gizmo_2655 on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 4:04am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:43pm:

john_g wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

Yes, Charles will be the King of Australia.

Won't that be just wonderful?

Maybe..however, if his mum takes after his grandma, it may actually be William who is King

Title: Re: Something for republicans to chew over
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 8:26am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 4:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:43pm:

john_g wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

Yes, Charles will be the King of Australia.

Won't that be just wonderful?

Maybe..however, if his mum takes after his grandma, it may actually be William who is King

Either way, some English guy will be the King of Australia.

It's 2014, and we're still realistically looking at having a King of Australia when the current Queen of Australia dies.

::)